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    Quote Originally Posted by skyblu View Post
    Dragon, I find it interesting that Americans don't bat an eye at the idea of public education, though, which is the same in many ways: we all pay the same taxes in our town even if we don't have kids in the town schools, and others benefit from our tax money so that all kids can have access to the same education. Even the most conservative people around me have no trouble with this concept.

    Yet try to apply it to healthcare and all hell breaks loose!


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    But sky, at least where I live there always seems to be a fight whenever they try to increase tax or pass a bond to I crease funding to education. It seems like the same mentality. I'm sure if public education wasn't such an established institution it would have the same uphill battle.

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    In my town they're freaking out that we're trying to build new schools...the last new school was built in 1969! So, no, I don't think people get behind public education. I thought they did, but based on what is going on in my town right now, it's divided.
    Instead of having "answers" on a math test, they should just call them "impressions," and if you got a different "impression," so what, can't we all be brothers?

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    Well, people may complain about the funds, but it is a fact of life that even those who don't benefit from a school district (either because they don't have kids, don't have school aged kids, or their kids go elsewhere) are going to pay the same taxes in a town as those who do.

    Just because people complain about additional cost doesn't mean they aren't for public education. The fact remains that most people went or sent their kids to public school, and even those who don't pay taxes to fund those who do.

    And off, that's exactly my point. Somehow, public education is a long standing institution and most people avail themselves to it, but the idea that the same would be true for healthcare blows people's minds. And that blows my mind, because the parallel is unmistakable. Public education is an American institution, but single payor healthcare is some sort of radical socialist scheme?



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    I think the problem is that the Republicans aren't really a united group, they may have control in name, but in reality, they are very fractioned. Add in the swing voters that are Trump supporters and you've got a group in power that can't decide who they are in service to. The Week had a really good article about it that explained it.

    I think some folks are actually against public education...they really don't see the value as they say, well, you chose to have children, so therefore you should pay to educate them. They're the ones that also don't want the trash picked up or the streets to be repaired, they're just basically saying they don't want any government intervention at all, so no reason to collect taxes. I think they miss the big picture, though, which is that they benefitted and continue to benefit from these services. I think those people have always been around, but they seem more vocal than before. We're at a serious boiling point in town right now, in order to fully fund the BOE plan, we would have to raise the mil rate, but the problem is that we have so many people at the poverty level and seniors that are house rich and cash poor.

    I personally support single payer systems. I do see the downside, which is that insurance companies, drug companies and hospitals can not be run for profit, but I think that once we rip off that bandaid, the population will benefit. I do worry what it means for innovation, though, will people still want to innovate? I am not sure about that piece of it and that is soooo important.
    Instead of having "answers" on a math test, they should just call them "impressions," and if you got a different "impression," so what, can't we all be brothers?

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    Oh, there are absolutely people in my town who think they shouldn't have to pay for services they don't use, including the schools. Hell, we have a guy who thinks he shouldn't have to pay for road paving because he lives in a private community. Seriously.


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    Guys, I get that there are people who feel that way.

    I am saying that, overall, as a society Americans accept public K-12 education but are incredibly resistant to public healthcare and use the word "socialism" to describe it, when ultimately public healthcare is no more socialist than public education.


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    I'm sorry I'm naive, but can you elaborate? I wish I understood politics more, but I don't. So I need everything spelled out for me!
    We need a government that has the ability to govern and make tough choices. Even if we don't all agree with those choices, we need them for stability. This fractured party is a huge red flag. Budget spending, nominations, security etc... Right now the Republican party is divided between moderates and the Freedom caucus, and neither side is willing to compromise. In Canada, the conservative actually ended up splitting in two, with the far right party forming their own party because they couldn't reconcile their differences.

    Right now Trump has sent 500 ground troops to Syria. What if we end up at war? And Congress can't get their act together to make crisis decisions? It's worrisome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skyblu View Post
    Guys, I get that there are people who feel that way.

    I am saying that, overall, as a society Americans accept public K-12 education but are incredibly resistant to public healthcare and use the word "socialism" to describe it, when ultimately public healthcare is no more socialist than public education.


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    It is a really frustrating thing. If your schools aren't well funded, it can have an impact on your property value. I am not sure if they don't believe that, don't understand that, or don't care.

    Here's another example. We provide funds for a nurse at the Catholic school. There is a state mandate that we pay x amount, but we are paying more than that. People on certain boards in town were questioning this left and right. One of the BOE members had to break it down for them, "These children are still residents of this town and their parents pay taxes."

    I agree that if taxes were a la carte like the they want to make healthcare, they would be all over that.


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    I do think many people feel similar about education and don't see the big picture. DS goes to an excellent charter school. We live in a pretty bad school district (schools are underfunded because we mostly have old snowbirds here who do not want their tax dollars to pay for schools) and the school we are zoned for is horrible. So we were extremely lucky to have this option for DS. But just because this is working out so well for us doesn't mean I'm in favor of this crazy voucher system. Because even though it will (possibly) benefit my kid's school, it's detrimental to our education system as a whole. However, I don't know how many parents at this school are Trump supporters exactly because of this. Their kid's charter school is their "single issue." That is so crazy to me. People are willing to throw the whole country under the bus for their own child's education.


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