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MsPeachy

09-19-2005, 10:41 AM

some tidbits from eonline's Watch With Kristin (http://www.eonline.com/Gossip/Kristin/Archive2005/050916b.html)Nip/Tuck Gone Wild: The third-season premiere of Nip/Tuck will shock you. That's how good the first new episode in, oh, forever, is. It airs this Tuesday (don't forget!) on FX, and I don't want to spoil the good surprises, so I'll just let you see for yourself what Julian McMahon has to say. I caught up with (tackled?) him backstage at the Creative Arts Emmy Awards--which, by the way, air this Sat., Sept. 19, at 7 p.m., on E!

At Saturday's Nip/Tuck premiere, executive producer Ryan Murphy also dropped this little bomb: We won't find out who the Carver is until the last scene of the last episode of this season, hinting, "It could be anyone. Everyone has motivations."

Pardon me while I pull out all my hair! Oh, and speaking of, Matt shaves his head this season and is "going crazy this year," according to Murphy. (Pssst...I hear the transsexual storyline isn't exactly going away.)

Also going wild is Joely Richardson's character, Julia. She says that while she has hope for Julia's relationship with Sean (Dylan Walsh) "when the kids grow up," for the time being, "Julia's going to be a bit naughty first. After all those years of being married, she's enjoying herself a little bit first." She talks about being scared to find out who the Carver is, hoping "it's not one of us." Humph, something tells me it might be.

IUAlum

09-19-2005, 10:45 AM

Subscribing in anticipation of tomorrow's premiere!

MsPeachy

09-20-2005, 04:50 AM

Oh - and apparently the premiere is 90 minutes instead of the usual hour so those of you recording it, may want to verify you're covering the full 90.

I heard some clips of tonight's show on the radio this morning & it was creepy!! I can't wait!!!!

kadee_29

09-20-2005, 05:10 AM

I cant believe its finally here!!!! I cant wait!!! :D

KKay

09-20-2005, 05:14 AM

It's on tonight! I need to make sure Tivo remembers to record it.

hockeybrat

09-20-2005, 09:53 AM

YAY! I can't wait for tonight!

jeanine

09-20-2005, 10:20 AM

Thanks for the heads up that it will be 90 minutes. I need to check my tivo. I am so psyched for the episode. I feel like its been FOREVER since the last season.

hockeybrat

09-20-2005, 10:23 AM

Maggie8202

09-20-2005, 03:55 PM

I am so excited for tonights show. I am so overtierd and was planning on going to be early tonight and then realized it was on. I actually just drank some coffee so I won't fall asleep during it!

kadee_29

09-20-2005, 09:38 PM

What did everyone think??????

Summerseven

09-20-2005, 11:27 PM

God, I missed this show. Great season premiere. I almost had a heart attack when I saw Christian dead. Thank goodness it was only a dream. Still stumped on who the carver is. :cool:

MsPeachy

09-21-2005, 05:10 AM

Awesome, awesome show. After watching last night's show and (like many) realizing how much I missed it's wonderful mix of humor, gore, ick, horror, sex and allegorical writing, I couldn't help but wonder why the hell it didn't win any Emmy's. Seriously, this show needs to win some awards.

I just loved everything. Well, except the detective chick. Could she have been any more predictable? Sheesh. :rolleyes: I can't wait to see how this season unfolds.

kadee_29

09-21-2005, 05:50 AM

I just loved everything. Well, except the detective chick. Could she have been any more predictable? Sheesh. :rolleyes:ITA!! I bet my husband $20 that Christian would be in bed with her before the end of the show. Then I saw Kimber and was like "oooohhh" then it went immediately to :eek: HOLY CRAP!!!! The rest of it was just awesome though. Me and my husband both freaked out in the beginning seeing Christian dead. That was just wrong.

Of course, I keep up on the spoilers so I *knew* he wasn't dead but it still took me by surprise to see that.

MsPeachy

09-21-2005, 06:19 AM

I bet my husband $20 that Christian would be in bed with her before the end of the show. That's funny. I said to my DH that if she hooked up with him, I was going to lose all respect for her. ;)

Although, I have to say, I loved it when Christian said "I'm back, baby!"

kadee_29

09-21-2005, 06:26 AM

Although, I have to say, I loved it when Christian said "I'm back, baby!" OMG that was too funny. DH and I were cracking up when he said that.

Islandbride1025

09-21-2005, 08:29 AM

I was so ready for last night's show, very excited and what happens..... I fall asleep in the middle of it. I guess I'll head over to TVWOP for the recap. BTW I loved the movie trailers they were showing. Very cool.

And I STILL hate Julia.

Amaye

09-21-2005, 09:41 AM

It was soooo good. I had almost forgotten why l loved this show.

I do have to say that it was a little bit predictable that the detective chick would fall in bed with Christian. Ugh - it looks like that thresome is going to be a mess.

As for the craver - l think it's the new doctor that they are making partner. I dunno - he just seems "interesting".

bunnyboo

09-21-2005, 09:50 AM

OMG I just love this show! I was falling asleep towards the end and my BF nudged me to tell me I was missing the BEST part of the show! Of course he was talking about the detective and Kimber and Christian scene!

The scenes for the season kind of made it seem like the detective lady gets a little protective or something...I was half asleep, but that's what I got from it!

Can't wait til next Tuesday!

kadee_29

09-21-2005, 09:57 AM

Does anyone think it would be hilarious for Kimber and the detective to hook up and leave Christian out in the cold??? That would definitely throw things.

hockeybrat

09-21-2005, 09:57 AM

God, I missed this show. Great season premiere. I almost had a heart attack when I saw Christian dead. Thank goodness it was only a dream. Still stumped on who the carver is. :cool:

I kept thinking WTF during the dream sequence. Not sure who the carver is either but for a second there, I thought it was the new doc.

I almost hurled when I saw the boob job scene.

note to self: don't eat dinner during Nip/Tuck

Lil_Mrs_0702

09-21-2005, 11:25 AM

I was addicted to season one and then had to work nights during season 2. I have missed sooooooooo much!! I forgot how much I love the show until I saw it last.

I didn't like the scene w/ Christian and the detective. Too predictable!! And then the little blonde just jumping in!! Who the heck does that?! I guess that the little blonde is still completely pathetic when it comes to Christian (sigh).

MsPeachy

09-28-2005, 07:04 AM

Who watched last night???

It was a pretty good episode. I love how the writing brings the common themes of the episode across in all the subplots.

That scene with Matt beating up the transgender person (not sure the correct term to use) was hard to watch. But I loved loved loved the scene with Julia & her mom at the end. It was fun and cute and I liked what was said about raising children.

SoCoWife

09-28-2005, 07:35 AM

I loved last nights episode. I am such a fan of the show. Myself and a friend got old hospital scrubs and "dressed" for the occasion.

That was such a violent episode, ITA about the scene w/Matt and the transgender guy, it made me sick.

I hated the whole gorilla plot line, just weird and didn't real hold my attention. I am wondering what the hell is going to happen with Matt, I don't think Christian should have told him, he is going to me screwed up for life, but I guess that is just the nature of the show.

As for the carver, I have been thinking it is a woman since the beginning because of the voice modifier, the fact that they paralyze their victims, and they are so quick and teeny. I think the rapes are done with a strap-on, but that is just me.

My opinion is the carver is Liz. She is an anesthesiologist and she is one of those characters that is always present but never really relevant. I am putting my $$$ on Liz, anyone want to start taking bets??

Love this show glad this thread was revived!

Gina

bunnyboo

09-28-2005, 08:56 AM

That's a good reason the Carver could be Liz I never thought about her and it seems like she is having more air time in the first two shows compared to last season.

The maggot scene with Adrian in the house was very hard to take in, I almost lost it! Also the scene where Matt and the transgender were together and then when it turned bad was very very hard to watch, it's so I don't know....harsh.

I really wonder what's going to happen with Matt also? I mean do you think he thinks he's gay? Or is he just confused at this point? I don't understand why he hasn't tried to contact Ava? Maybe in the next show. This week's episode was really good I thought and I too liked the last scene with Julia and her mom.

They didn't touch too much on Christian this episode, but I'm not really liking the new partners character. One of those persons you love to hate I guess...I don't know there is just something shady about him, but I also think the writers are maybe trying to make us think he is the carver or something...

I love this show!

LIZNKEITH

09-28-2005, 12:31 PM

Ooooh! I'm glad I found this thread. I *heart* Nip/Tuck! Haven't got to watch last night's episode though. I fell asleep too early. After last week's episode though, my personal opinion is that the carver is the cop.

andrew&shannah

09-28-2005, 12:44 PM

As for the carver, I have been thinking it is a woman since the beginning because of the voice modifier, the fact that they paralyze their victims, and they are so quick and teeny. I think the rapes are done with a strap-on, but that is just me.

I haven't seen last night's episode yet but I totally agree with that the Carver is a woman! I thought that from very early on in the attacks!
Hmmm...never considered the possibility of it being Liz. That is certainly an interesting angle!!!

LIZNKEITH

09-28-2005, 01:19 PM

Totally agree. I tell you...this female cop got just a little too aroused recreating the attack. I really think it is her.

nixer

09-28-2005, 01:34 PM

Hello all *delurking*,

I just discovered this show last week by accident and I love it! I did miss yesterday's episode though, bummer. Any ideas when I might be able to catch a rerun out on the west coast?

Thanks!

Kinetic

09-28-2005, 03:03 PM

Hi, I'll happily join this thread, I've been watching since the 1st episode premiered.

SoCoWife: I agree with your thought that the Carver is a woman. But I doubt it's Liz. Liz doesn't appear to have that streak to her. I think that the woman cop has the potential to be the Carver. I think that she'll be in more of next week's episode. So, we'll have to see how her character plays out.

Am I the only one who thinks Matt looks so much better with a shaved head? I think Matt is just confused and struggling to find himself. Poor kid, with all he has gone through.

I also felt really bad for the gangster. It was such a violent episode last night.

hockeybrat

09-28-2005, 03:11 PM

Yes, Matt does look better with that shaved head but he still looks weird.

bunnyboo

09-28-2005, 05:04 PM

I agree I think Matt looks more like a boy/man now and not as much like Michael Jackson. He's kinda freaky looking.

I guess I didn't pay too much attention to the lady cop, I'm going to have to watch it again tonight (I Tivo'd it) :)

I felt bad for the Gansta guy too...that was sad...and Sean just passed him off like he was too much trouble (didnt seem to care about what happened to him) kind of like the new partner guy did. I didn't like the way he talked to him in the consultation either. Whats the new partners name again?

hockeybrat

09-28-2005, 05:18 PM

Is it Quentin?

Yeah I felt bad for the gangster guy too. He was really trying to clean up.

Irish Elf

09-28-2005, 08:21 PM

For some reason last season I thought Kimber was the carver. And then something made me change my mind but I can't remember. (12 hour work days do that to you)

MsPeachy

09-29-2005, 05:18 AM

That's a good reason the Carver could be Liz I never thought about her and it seems like she is having more air time in the first two shows compared to last season. Actually Liz is a pretty central character to the show. She's sort of the moral conscience for Sean & Christian. Plus, air time? Don't you remember the entire plot arc about her wanting to have a baby and asking Christian to be the father, blah blah blah?

I don't think the Carver is a woman. For some reason, I seem to recall seeing that when the Carver attacked Sean in his bathroom, the Carver was taller than Sean (you see the Carver come up behind Sean and Sean sees the Carver in the mirror reflection).

Here's my question - if right before Ava left, she asked Sean to perform the final surgery, the vaginal reconstruction then exactly what kind of physical relationship was she having with Matt before then? If Ava still had a penis, wouldn't Matt have noticed? If Ava didn't have a penis but didn't have the vagina made, then where was Matt, uh, sticking it? KWIM? ;)

andrew&shannah

09-29-2005, 09:22 AM

Here's my question - if right before Ava left, she asked Sean to perform the final surgery, the vaginal reconstruction then exactly what kind of physical relationship was she having with Matt before then? If Ava still had a penis, wouldn't Matt have noticed? If Ava didn't have a penis but didn't have the vagina made, then where was Matt, uh, sticking it? KWIM?

If I remember correctly, Ava had already had some stages of vaginal reconstruction completed but needed a final one to make the cavity deeper and more "normal". So, she already had female "parts" but they just weren't finished yet.
If you remember when Christian starts to DTD with her, he stops because he realizes and refers to her as having a "shallow" vagina.

MsPeachy

09-29-2005, 09:25 AM

If you remember when Christian starts to DTD with her, he stops because he realizes and refers to her as having a "shallow" vagina. Oh! I remember this! Thanks for the memory jog! :)

hockeybrat

09-29-2005, 10:03 AM

If I remember correctly, Ava had already had some stages of vaginal reconstruction completed but needed a final one to make the cavity deeper and more "normal". So, she already had female "parts" but they just weren't finished yet.
If you remember when Christian starts to DTD with her, he stops because he realizes and refers to her as having a "shallow" vagina.

When I read that, I immediately thought, "Christian would know, wouldn't he?" :p He is such a manwhore, but I love him still. :D

MsPeachy

10-05-2005, 06:38 AM

Oh.My.God.

Last night's episode was pretty intense. Crazy shit just kept happening. I was pretty much in shock by it all.:eek:

Kinetic

10-05-2005, 08:03 AM

I couldn't believe I was watching some of those scenes on television last night. Its amazing what they show.

Even though I didn't think Sean would hit his son, I'm glad he did. Matt needs some sort of intervention.

and good for Kimber and Christian to get rid of Kit!

and I was glad that Sean and Julie got together, but did it have to be in their son's bed? eiw.

Islandbride1025

10-05-2005, 08:58 AM

I couldn't believe I was watching some of those scenes on television last night. Its amazing what they show.

ITA, my mouth just kept dropping and I was saying this needs to be a pay channel. Some poor child is out there looking for the cartoon network and happens to pass this channel is in for a SHOCK! But I love it :D !

I swear they show the same nudity on HBO, the only difference is fully exposed breasts, they always cover the nipples on this show.

I love the common themes between the different stories, last nights was about threesomes not working.

Matt deserved every bit of that blow.

Amaye

10-05-2005, 09:00 AM

I couldn't believe I was watching some of those scenes on television last night. Its amazing what they show.

I so agree!!! DH came into the room when l was watching it and was like, what on earth are you watching. I dunno - all the sex scenes kinda started to put me off.

And why does the new partner have to be bi? It seems that they want to explore all sorts of sexuality this season. In one episode this is what we have dealt with - "threesome, foursome, bisexual, transexual, younger woman - older man, bj". It's just a bit much - I want a good storyline not only sex! ugh!

That new partner is "interesting" to say the least. I keep thinking he might be the craver but maybe they want people to think that.

MsPeachy

10-05-2005, 09:17 AM

I keep thinking he might be the craver but maybe they want people to think that.
I think this in an excellent point. Why? Because after last night's episode I felt myself starting to suspect Quentin of being the Carver when I had never felt that before. I thought it'd be much more plausible to have a bi man rape his male victims. But then it'd be a little too convenient.

Add me to the list that felt Matt deserved what he got. I also liked Sean's speech to him about how much they've sacrificed for him (although it's clear it was lost on him)

Other high points:
- When Kit interrogated Matt to get the truth. That was brutal but good.
- When Christian told Kit to get out and that he wanted his GF back. And Kimber stood up for him!! I loved that scene.
- Quentin's "dig" to Sean & Christian about the $6m settlement for the bi woman from her law firm. It was just not subtle enough. KWIM? BUT OTOH, I wasn't sure how far he'd actually be able to get with such a case given the prominent standing of Liz, their resident lesbian.

bunnyboo

10-05-2005, 09:27 AM

That new partner is "interesting" to say the least. I keep thinking he might be the craver but maybe they want people to think that.

This is exactly what I was thinking about too, but there is just something about him that totally creeps me out!!! I couldn't believe that he's bi. Which could be an explanation for the carver not only getting women but men also.

I'm glad Sean and Christian had that nice chit chat conversation together and finally laughed together when they were "comparing notes" about Quentin. :) It's nice to see them actually be "friends" again.

I couldn't believe how many different sex scenes there was last night, its pretty amazing that its legal to show that on regular TV.

With that said though, I am loving this season so far. I think Matt definitely needs some serious help. Hopefully he will turn around by the end of the season...I wonder why he doesn't just up and leave to Paris to be with Ava?

jesseybell

10-05-2005, 02:44 PM

We were pretty much in shock by the show. I seem to recall them saying s**t on FX before, but DH disagrees. Halfway during the show he turns to me and says "This show has turned into nothing more than soft core porn"...Though we will keep watching it. I am just getting pretty bored with the sex scenes.

I think having Quentin be the Carver would be just too obvious.

But all in all, we love the show!

MsPeachy

10-05-2005, 07:15 PM

I seem to recall them saying s**t on FX before I can't recall sh!t exactly but I know Nip/Tuck loooovvess to use "p*ssy" which is almost like the next level up from the basics in my book. I'm interested to see how far they;re going to try to push it.

On this topic - have you all noticed the more extreme "STRONG" warning at the beginning of the show? That's the most definitive disclaimer for a TV show I've ever seen (and this includes the MAs on HBO!!)

Amaye

10-06-2005, 09:23 AM

On this topic - have you all noticed the more extreme "STRONG" warning at the beginning of the show? That's the most definitive disclaimer for a TV show I've ever seen (and this includes the MAs on HBO!!)

I noticed it too!! But ya know, now l understand why they need it! My jaw was literally hanging down for most of the show. They are really pushing it these days.

Lil_Mrs_0702

10-10-2005, 11:55 AM

My Dh watched the show w/ me last night and he couldn't believe that they show so much nudity and sex scenes. A lot more than usual.

We started talking about it when they showed Sean getting the BJ. I told him I think they can show the facial expressions and make it obvious what was going on but they couldn't show the bobbing head and then they showed a whole view. Then I told him well maybe they just can't show genetalia, breast, or butt crack. Then we saw crack all over the place!!! I was shocked!!
I told my DH that this is a women's version of porn. He told maybe we should record it and make it our porn!!

What was up w/ the butt surgery?? Who was that on the tale? Did they show the patient at all?

Oh, my DH and I also discussed the carver. My bets are on Liz, the transexual ex gf. she has the height and I haven't heard anything about anyone else getting raped since she dissappeared for Paris.
His bets are on Matt the son. Just b/c it has to be someone unexpected and he is really messed up. He thinks that he may want to punish people b/c his parents are so messed up.

hockeybrat

10-10-2005, 12:00 PM

What was up w/ the butt surgery?? Who was that on the tale? Did they show the patient at all?

That was the guy who had the 2 college guys superglued to his butt. They had to cut into his flesh to remove the 2 guys and I am guessing they grafted skin for the surgery.

Lil_Mrs_0702

10-10-2005, 05:44 PM

Oh, okay. I missed the first part. I started watching right before Sean got head.

MsPeachy

10-11-2005, 05:14 AM

and I am guessing they grafted skin for the surgery.
They did. Man, I don't know what it is about skin grafts but watching them feed the piece of skin through that perforator makes me sooooo squeamish. Even on surgery shows and stuff (like on Discovery) that process just makes us look like hunks o meat. :p

kadee_29

10-11-2005, 05:39 AM

They did. Man, I don't know what it is about skin grafts but watching them feed the piece of skin through that perforator makes me sooooo squeamish. Even on surgery shows and stuff (like on Discovery) that process just makes us look like hunks o meat. :p I had to turn my head for that part. Normally Im ok with most of the OR scenes but not that one.

KarenS

10-11-2005, 09:03 PM

Wow. I was so not surprised by the end of this episode. So Christian is going to get arrested next week for being the Carver. Do you think it's him?

Karen

MsPeachy

10-12-2005, 05:40 AM

This was probably one of my least favorite episodes of the entire series so far. Notice, I did not say "Season" but "series". I actually enjoyed the B-plot better than the rest.

I was pretty mad about the entire Matt/Julia/Sean/Annie thing. Julia turned right back into a wuss. It was wrong of her to jump to Matt's defense after everything he's done. Everyone conveniently "forgot" about all of Matt's behavioral and violence problems and made him out to be a martyr, a "poor abused child" instead of the out of control, violent, teenager he is. Sean's "hit me"/"I'm so depressed" blah blah blah attitude was horrible. He's enabling Matt's attitude and actions by showing weakness to him. Sean is acting like a child, not an adult.

The scene with the Family Protection people and Annie really ticked me off. There is no way they should have been allowed to question her without supervision and absolutely no way that the woman should have touched her. And those questions she was asked were general and leading and didn't answer a d@mn thing.

Gah. I told you I was pissed.

The scene with the woman screaming in her head while they were operating on her was tough to watch. The rising panic in the woman's voice was very effectual.

I didn't like the previews for next week's show. I thought they gave away a little too much. I can see how they're going to set up Christian. Plus, since he never told anyone about being raped, there was no examination and thus no proof he was (which will make it difficult to prove his "attack" wasn't self-inflicted)

kadee_29

10-12-2005, 06:36 AM

ITA with everything you said. For the first time since this show started I actually looked at the clock and thought "oh good only 20 minutes left". Pretty sad.

KarenS

10-12-2005, 06:52 AM

Actually I turned and told DH that I thought this was the best episode of the season so far. It was more about the characters and their growth and development and less about the shock value of wild sex scenes and so forth. I really liked it.

Ms Peachy - I don't know what your experience is with an abusive home or with Family Services, but I found the episode very accurate in how it depicted what would happen and how helpless and frustrating the situation is for all involved. I said to DH when the restraining order was served on Sean that Matt didn't realize what a sh*t storm he'd started ... and I was right. I could have predicted every happening based on my own experience and I think that's why I found the episode to be so good ... it was accurate. It really showed the conflict and the anger and the frustration that type of situation engenders.

I don't see that Julia jumped to Matt's defense at all. I see that she did what she had to do to keep Sean from being arrested due to violating the restraining order. Whatever her personal feelings, she *had* to keep those two apart or watch her family be even further ripped and shredded. And I don't see that anyone "forgot" Matt's attitudes - the episode didn't focus on him but on how his actions - knowingly or not - changed the entire character of the family. Sean is not only terrified that his children will be taken away from him now - because even tho Matt dropped the restraining order and the charges, this isn't the end of Social Services involvement - he's terrified that he'll wind up in jail for something that he didn't do.

Honestly I don't mean to be preachy, but you have no idea the impact of filing charges against a parent has to the whole family. It's terrifying. I know. I did it. And I found this episode scarily accurate in that respect ... and so quite engrossing.

Karen

MsPeachy

10-12-2005, 07:11 AM

Karen - I will tell you straight out - I have absolutely no experience with Family Services and thus do not know how close to reality the actions of the agents may or may not have been. I will definitely agree with you in that I could see Sean's frustration and how that contributed to some of his actions, especially regarding Annie. I will also agree that Matt didn't have quite the idea of what he was opening up with the restraining order. However, on the rest, I will agree to disagree.

Quite possibly, due to the subject matter of the show, our own personal experiences as well as opinions on parenting and relationships are coloring how we viewed the episode as a whole and the characters therein.

I dunno - I've been watching this show since it started and I felt there were a lot of better representations of character development among past episodes. While I do feel the show is alot about shock value, I don't think that it comes from the sex scenes (although it's a part of it).

Amaye

10-12-2005, 08:53 AM

MsPeachy I totally agree with you. DH actually got up and left the room after 20mins. That was one of the worst episodes I have ever watched.

All of a sudden, Matt is the "poor abused mistreated child" of the family and ranting about how the hotline told him everything that Sean was going to say. Yeah - ok. What about all the problems and attitude Matt has had? It's as though everything got flipped all of a sudden. And yes, Sean's whole, hit me so you can feel better was truly feeding into and enabling Matt's behavior.

As for next week, nah, l really don't think Christian is the slasher. Wasn't he injected and paralysed when the slasher went to the woman's house? Something l thought about was that the only way the Slasher all of a suddent went to the woman's house is that he knew that she went for the surgery and that she was lying. Thus it definitely has to be someone connected to the clinic and somehow who knew all the details which makes me think - Christian, Quentin, the lady doc (can't remember her name). DH thinks it's Matt - l don't know. Lots of possibilities.

Kopper

10-12-2005, 09:21 AM

I haven't watched yesterday's episode yet but was planning to in the next few days. Right now DH and I are pretty bored and disgusted with the show. It used to be one of our favorites but now it is just way too over the top. We have seen every single episode since the beginning and this season we just don't like it that much anymore. Anyways we were planning on giving it one more episode. After reading all the comments I am almost thinking why bother. Does anyone else feel the same?

bunnyboo

10-12-2005, 09:33 AM

I am still as interested in the show as I always have been, but last nights show was pretty "mellow" compared to past shows.

I am still not sure who I think the Carver is. I am still leaning towards Quentin, something about him just gives me the eebie jeebies....

The scenes for next week, hmmm well I don't know. My BF seems to think it might be the detective lady (forgot her name) but I dont think so.

I guess we'll have to tune in to next weeks to get a better feel.

I think Matt seriously needs to be forced into some counseling of some sort. How old is he supposed to be in the show anyway?

Kopper

10-12-2005, 09:39 AM

Bunnyboo - Her name is Kit. :) I'm not sure who I think the carver is. Quentin or Matt are my best guesses so far.

jesseybell

10-12-2005, 09:49 AM

DH is convinced it is Matt (though last night he was throwing out the idea of the lady anesthesiologist,but I don't agree)
I think Quentin just seems to obvious.

Matt is supposed to still be in high school.I think he is less than 18, thus still a minor.

MsPeachy

10-12-2005, 10:00 AM

Something l thought about was that the only way the Slasher all of a suddent went to the woman's house is that he knew that she went for the surgery and that she was lying. DH & I were discussing how the Carver could have known about the lying woman. His opinion was similar to this one. My opinion was that since she reported the "attack" as a Carver attack, and she stated how much attention she's gotten since, that another Carver attack would have definitely been in the news. The Carver would have found out her name that way and thus tracked her down. The Carver didn't become interested in Sean or Christian until they started doing the probono surgeries on his victims. If they do make him someone affiliated with the office, I'll be disappointed in that regard because it seems like a lack of continuity.

hockeybrat

10-12-2005, 10:12 AM

Last night's episode got me to thinking that Liz might be the Carver. I never really thought she would but I wasn't so sure after last night. The Carver uses some sort of mechanism to distort its voice first of all so it could be a woman.

I also figured that since Liz put Christian under, she was pretty free to do whatever until he comes to. She would most likely know how long he would be down for.

sportyj

10-13-2005, 11:07 PM

Can anyone tell me what the Carver said to Rhea at the end, my DVR stopped recording

MsPeachy

10-14-2005, 05:23 AM

I think it was something like "I'm going to give you what you've been looking for." and then something else about pain.

That's about the best I can do this early on a Friday morning ;)

Kimberland30

10-14-2005, 08:19 AM

I think Quentin might be the carver, but I don't know. I can't see it as being Matt (raping Christian? No)....or Liz for that exact reason.

I think this show has been getting better and better, but that's just my opinion. It's always been a little "out there", but my DH and I have never been bored with it. Besides Survivor, this the the only show we actually watch together. :)

kadee_29

10-14-2005, 08:42 AM

I keep going around and around with who I think it might be. Both DH and I were thinking Liz from last season up until this season started but now we aren't so sure. I have been reading Kristin V's gossip column and the message boards on eonline and the stuff I've read makes me wonder. I need to go back and reread some of this stuff.

lindybug

10-14-2005, 10:24 AM

Whatever happened to Merrill? (I think that's his name... The plastic surgeon who lost his license.) I wonder if he could be the Carver.

Kimberland30

10-14-2005, 10:51 AM

I thought he died last season?

sportyj

10-14-2005, 11:12 AM

I am convinced the Carver is Quentin. As far as the show being out there, the first two episodes were BAD now it is getting really good and I like it again. I feel so so so sorry for Sean, I just want to give him a hug!

What about Eva being the Carver?

hockeybrat

10-14-2005, 11:15 AM

I thought he died last season?

I thought he got arrested because he wanted to do some sort of face transplant procedure with Christian in the back of that seedy nail salon.

kcjaime

10-17-2005, 07:35 AM

I am loving this season so far. I think its so well done. The storyline of Matt going wayward is just fascinating in a scary kind of way. Also, the Carver storyline is so interesting. The end of last week's episode with the fake Carver victim getting victimized for real shocked me.

I agree with KarenS that the season is more focused on actual storylines than just Christian having sex with every woman he encounters.

I also thought Quentin was the Carver, but I feel like that may be too obvious. I guess we'll see...in the last scene of the last episode of the season, which is when we finally find out who the Carver is! :)

Cali_Katy

10-18-2005, 10:42 AM

I agree that they're making Quentin seem like the Carver, but didn't he live in Atlanta during the first set of Carver attacks? I thought he flew down to repair Sean's face.

kadee_29

10-18-2005, 11:16 AM

Was it ever really said that it was one of the main characters?? I thought I read it somewhere but I can't remember where and I can't find it written anywhere.

MsPeachy

10-18-2005, 11:31 AM

Was it ever really said that it was one of the main characters?? I thought I read it somewhere but I can't remember where and I can't find it written anywhere.I read that it was a regular recurring character or someone that we'd know but I don't recall it specifically stating it was a "main" character. KWIM?

KarenS

10-18-2005, 11:32 AM

I read that it was a regular recurring character or someone that we'd know but I don't recall it specifically stating it was a "main" character. KWIM?Maybe it's Julia's mother! :D

Karen

hockeybrat

10-18-2005, 11:33 AM

Maybe it's Julia's mother! :D

Karen

Nah, she's too busy getting stoned ;)

MsPeachy

10-18-2005, 11:35 AM

Nah, she's too busy getting stoned ;)
It's for medicinal purposes, dontcha know?

I'm surprised no-one's suggested Jude.

kadee_29

10-18-2005, 11:36 AM

I read that it was a regular recurring character or someone that we'd know but I don't recall it specifically stating it was a "main" character. KWIM? Ok that makes more sense. Thanks!!

ETA: Now that Im thinking about it....what if its some person that we know jack about and only saw a few times but still "know" them as a character. This show has so many people wondering who the Carver is and its probably some nobody. :rolleyes: It really wouldn't surprise me if that happened.

MsPeachy

10-19-2005, 06:56 AM

Wow.

Good episode though I thought the scene with Christian's mother was unnecessary. Why in the world would the detective track her down in the first place?

Didn't see the last scene coming. Thought it would be someone else. Christian was smart to do what he did even though he sacrificed the reputation of their business. Kit had it out for him and bad and the only way out was for the Carver to strike while he was in jail. Plus - I had to scrape my jaw off the floor when the lawyer told him the defense could cost $3-5 mil. :eek:

Did NOT like the previews for next week. Gina's back? Who cares? And why in God's name would Julia be partering up with her (and for what?)

NicoleWisconsin

10-19-2005, 08:07 AM

Didn't even realize that was Gina... Hmm...

Hubby and I were in shock at the last scene. They really do have amazing writers!

kadee_29

10-19-2005, 08:12 AM

Ok dumb question. Was that Kit at the end? DH said it was but it didn't really look like her.

NicoleWisconsin

10-19-2005, 08:48 AM

I PM'd you.

Islandbride1025

10-19-2005, 08:51 AM

That was definitely Kit at the end. At some point I thought she was the carver, but oh well.

Dumb question #2, how can the police detective that had a sexual relationship with the suspect conduct searches and interviews??? Seems like a MAJOR conflict to me. And her throwaway line about being undercover does not wash.

I agree he was smart to call the media, but if the Carver "framed" him in the first place, why come out of hiding to commit another murder????

MsPeachy

10-19-2005, 09:15 AM

Dumb question #2, how can the police detective that had a sexual relationship with the suspect conduct searches and interviews??? Seems like a MAJOR conflict to me. And her throwaway line about being undercover does not wash.I felt this was a bit sketchy myself. The undercover bit came out of left field for me. Why would Christian have been a suspect at all?

If the Carver is framing him then it must be someone who he's screwed over.

Amaye

10-19-2005, 09:18 AM

That was such a great episode!!!! My jaw was hanging open at the end - l did not even think it was someone he knew, let alone it be Kit!!

Yeah - the whole thing with Kit finding his mother and letting him meet her out of the goodness of his heart was so much crap. There was has to be something there. I actually don't think that's his mother and it was all a set up (ok, slightly paranoid but still....)

Wait a minute, how did the police know that it was Christian's DNA in the condom? They arrested him based on that information but where would they have gotten his DNA from? Unless Kit had it somehow? hhmmm.....As for who set Christian up, l really think it was Kit. But then again....it could have been Kimber. This is getting so good!

They really got me when it seemed that Christian was having a nightmare. And then, boom! no, it's true. Great writing.

I really don't understand what is going to happen next week - with Sean saying that he can't work with Christian anymore. I am now starting to think that Sean is losing it - l can't believe he did not believe Christian...Maybe he is the craver??

Does anyone know how many episodes we have left?

SoCoWife

10-19-2005, 09:32 AM

hockeybrat

10-19-2005, 10:08 AM

Loving the way this season is turning out so far!

I too am questioning why the Carver would bother framing Christian and then strike while he was in jail. That onw is odd to me.

I still think Liz is the Carver now for a few more reasons:

1. She was playing devils's advocate to Sean when Sean was sticking up for Christian.

2. She probablly still has some of his sperm in a bank somewhere from when he gave it to her when she was preggers with his kid last year...she could have easily framed him with that.

Sean is pissing me off. The way he treated Christian was too rude for me!

I just CAN NOT wait for next week...and this carver thing is going to drive me bonkers!

Gina

I forgot about the sperm! :eek: That is a good call!

Some other thoughts:

I was so shocked that Kit was the Carver victim at the end.

The dream sequence made me mad at first because I thought he was dreaming of the whole arrest, nice twist.

I think Sean's personal problems, especially with Matt, is causing him to have doubts on Christian's friendship and partnership. Pull your head out of your arse, Sean! He is your friend!!! :mad:

I don't know what Gina and Julia are going to be doing together... that would be interesting though.

Summerseven

10-19-2005, 11:09 AM

Oh I still think it's the obvious Dr.Quentin, more now then ever because he was the one who didn't have a doubt the Christain was innocent, and he got mad that everyone thought it was Christain. Plus he knew about that girl who was a fraud, it wasn't public knowledge was it? Or possible it's more then just one person?

kadee_29

10-19-2005, 04:32 PM

Ok here are my thoughts...take them or leave them.

The woman is his mom. Think about what she said about his dad while she was talking to Christian. The raping and cutting off body parts.....which leads into next weeks episode.

DNA samples could be a possible match from blood relatives, right?? They never said a percentage on how his DNA matched up with what was left. I dont think the carver set Christian up at all.

MsPeachy

10-20-2005, 05:23 AM

The woman is his mom.kadee - What woman? Your post made me think I missed something! :confused: Though the concept of a family connection through the DNA is a good idea!

kadee_29

10-20-2005, 05:41 AM

What woman? Your post made me think I missed something! No you didn't miss anything. :p I was talking about the woman that Kit brought in to talk to Christian. Someone said that she didn't think it was his mom. I should have elaborated more.

MsPeachy

10-20-2005, 05:49 AM

No you didn't miss anything. :p I was talking about the woman that Kit brought in to talk to Christian. Someone said that she didn't think it was his mom. I should have elaborated more. Oh - okay! Thanks for clarifying. She seemed like a bit of a crackpot, eh?

kadee_29

10-20-2005, 06:03 AM

Definitely. Seeing her compared to Christian and I was kind of glad she didn't raise him. :eek:

Amaye

10-20-2005, 09:42 AM

The woman is his mom. Think about what she said about his dad while she was talking to Christian. The raping and cutting off body parts.....which leads into next weeks episode.

DNA samples could be a possible match from blood relatives, right?? They never said a percentage on how his DNA matched up with what was left. I dont think the carver set Christian up at all.

So do you think that the guy from the next episode will turn out to be his dad????

I also don't think it was the craver that set him up. I'm still thinking Kit but who knows???

KarenS

10-20-2005, 11:08 AM

See but if the Carver is his dad, then it flies in the face of what we've been told - that the Carver is a minor character who would be familiar to us from previous episodes. Unless Christian's dad has been lurking around all this time as a background character, which seems really unlikely to me.

Also the whole thing about the condom and the DNA was just weird. Magnums are a fairly popular brand of condom so just finding a Magnum wouldn't be enough to implicate Christian. Testing the DNA would take several days, if not weeks, so there's no way they could match it to Christian's DNA in that short a time.

This episode really bothered me because of the police procedure errors. I loved the way it ended with Christian tipping off the press, knowing that the Carver would be angry and strike again ..and most likely strike at the woman who was taking away his "glory". But I really didn't like the middle part.

Karen

SoCoWife

10-20-2005, 11:19 AM

Just had to say ITA with Karen on the police procudres...they should have had a time lapse in the show b/c there is now way they would have had that DNA evidence within the time limit they proposed.

Also I don't think the Carver could be his dad. Unless his dad is Liz! Just kidding! But I am still sticking with Liz as the Carver I have been saying it since last season.

I can't wait for Tuesdays!!!

Gina

kadee_29

10-20-2005, 11:27 AM

I don't necessarily think the carver is his dad either. But as far as this show goes...there is no telling what they have planned as far as who the carver really is.

Amaye

10-20-2005, 11:37 AM

I don't necessarily think the carver is his dad either. But as far as this show goes...there is no telling what they have planned as far as who the carver really is.

Wait, l wasn't saying that the Craver was his dad. On the review for next week, they show a body that was made up of different body parts and a guy in jail who seemed to have done it. I was talking about him potientially being Christian's dad based on what Kadee bought up about Christian's mom talking about his dad cutting up body parts.

I definitely don't think that the craver is his dad. Way too random.

I am still waiting for them to explain how they even got a copy of Christian's DNA in the first place.

We should start up a poll about who we think the craver is. Last calls can be made before the last episode!

KarenS

10-20-2005, 11:41 AM

I am still waiting for them to explain how they even got a copy of Christian's DNA in the first place.I would assume from his assult however many months ago. They would have his DNA on record to compare for future assaults, I assume. Of course I don't know the legality of using it to compare in this case ... but I could believe that it was possible.

Karen

hockeybrat

10-20-2005, 11:45 AM

I would assume from his assult however many months ago. They would have his DNA on record to compare for future assaults, I assume. Of course I don't know the legality of using it to compare in this case ... but I could believe that it was possible.

Karen

Didn't they show a scene where they were clipping his finger nails? I assumed that that is how they got the DNA (and by super rapid testing ;))

bunnyboo

10-20-2005, 01:39 PM

I was shocked by Tuesday's episode and I loooved the dream sequence, excellent writing.

I am still teetering between Liz and Quentin as the Carver. I was confused as to why Christian had the medication at his house though. He didn't deny it wasn't his, that was kind of weird.

I am guessing also that when they were having that 4-some a couple weeks ago, maybe Quentin could have got some samples or magnums from that night (although they didn't "finish") so who knows? Im so confused.

Also, I havent ever seen the first season is Gina from the 1st season? Who is she?

KarenS

10-20-2005, 02:08 PM

I am still teetering between Liz and Quentin as the Carver. I was confused as to why Christian had the medication at his house though. He didn't deny it wasn't his, that was kind of weird.IN the last episode (or the one before that, I don't remember) Christian was trying to face up to his emotional struggles and his feeling that he could have fought the Carver. He took a dose of the anesthetic drug back to his apartment and injected himself to see if he could actually move while under the influence of it.

Also, I havent ever seen the first season is Gina from the 1st season? Who is she?Gina was a woman who Christian slept with and who came back claiming to be pregnant with his baby. When the baby was born it was obviously not Christian's (the baby was partially African-American). But Christian decided that it was his chance to do the "right thing" and decided to be the baby's father and to support him and Gina. Gina went crazy and bought the most expensive stuff for herself and the baby - obviously trying to stick it to Christian and take advantage of him. Finally she left him and took the baby with her since she was the birth mother and Christian was obviously not the father ... which tore Christian up and made him very bitter and angry. Ultimately Gina was diagnosed with HIV and had to notifiy all of her previous partners (including Christian) and during that time the real father of the baby came and took him away. I honestly thought Gina was dead - so it's a surprise to me to see her back.

Karen

SoCoWife

10-20-2005, 02:20 PM

Oh and Christian is paying for her HIV meds, that's what just came up in this past episode. Gina & Christian met at a sexaholics meeting. I HATE that her name is GINA!!!!!!!

Gina

KarenS

10-20-2005, 02:21 PM

Oh and Christian is paying for her HIV meds, that's what just came up in this past episode. Yeah. I remember he said he would "help" when she told him she was HIV-pos, but I didn't realize that he was still doing so!

ETA: I don't understand Julia going into business with her - when she was so angry about how Gina was treating Christian to begin with. If she really cares about Christian as a friend, she wouldn't be going into business with Gina, IMO.

Karen

MsPeachy

10-20-2005, 03:23 PM

ETA: I don't understand Julia going into business with her - when she was so angry about how Gina was treating Christian to begin with. If she really cares about Christian as a friend, she wouldn't be going into business with Gina, IMO.

Ditto! That's exactly why I was so confused to see them partnering up. Julia's just been getting nuttier & nuttier!

hockeybrat

10-27-2005, 10:40 AM

Did anybody watch Nip/Tuck on Tuesday?

Can Gina call Christian anything else other than a**hole or scum?

KarenS

10-27-2005, 01:18 PM

Can Gina call Christian anything else other than a**hole or scum?No kidding. Go into a business meeting looking for money from someone and call them names? Hello? Professionalism?

Although I loved seeing Julia chew her out. The whole "you're a smart, talented woman" speech was great - and the look on Gina's face was priceless.

Karen

MsPeachy

11-02-2005, 12:11 PM

I enjoyed last night's episode. It wasn't as "intense" as some of the previous shows.

Uh oh - Sean's falling for the woman & her kid - not going to be good.

If anyone was wondering/curious - the actor who played the man who wanted his leg amputated was the same actor who played Dr. Phlox on Star Trek Enterprise.

lindybug

11-02-2005, 12:29 PM

And apparently, the actress who played the mafia princess was Anne Heche! Who knew?!

The scene with the gun freaked me out.

Funny, early in the season, we were all complaining that there was so much graphic sex, and not enough else. Now, I don't think we've seen people having sex in weeks! LOL

Amaye

11-02-2005, 12:31 PM

If anyone was wondering/curious - the actor who played the man who wanted his leg amputated was the same actor who played Dr. Phlox on Star Trek Enterprise.

Aha! l knew l had seen him somewhere else.

Yesterday was a good episode. Not as intense but still - they are really humanizing/moralizing Christian these days. l was VERY surprised that he proposed to Amber. I really think it's cos he feels adrift without Sean there and needs to cling to someone.

Btw, is Amber still making porn movies?

Next week looks good. I want to find out exactly who that lady is!

andrew&shannah

11-02-2005, 12:47 PM

l was VERY surprised that he proposed to Amber. I really think it's cos he feels adrift without Sean there and needs to cling to someone.

I missed last night's episode so I am confused...who is Amber???

hockeybrat

11-02-2005, 12:50 PM

I think she meant Kimber, not Amber

hockeybrat

11-02-2005, 12:52 PM

Uh oh - Sean's falling for the woman & her kid - not going to be good.

Nope it sure isn't. Is it me or did she have hair that looked like Julia's? He is totally rebounding.

MsPeachy

11-02-2005, 02:39 PM

Nope it sure isn't. Is it me or did she have hair that looked like Julia's? He is totally rebounding.
That was the freaky thing!! She looked like a Julia clone! Instant family KWIM? Like what he said to Julia - he needed to be needed. That's what's going to happen here.

I totally didn't guess that was Anne Heche!! And I even saw her name on the Guest Star credits. D'oh!

hockeybrat

11-02-2005, 03:33 PM

That was the freaky thing!! She looked like a Julia clone! Instant family KWIM? Like what he said to Julia - he needed to be needed. That's what's going to happen here.

I totally didn't guess that was Anne Heche!! And I even saw her name on the Guest Star credits. D'oh!

Exactly, he has a woman and a kid that like him and have a need for him. But it looks like she will be trouble. My guess is that she had her husband killed on purpose or she was the mobster.

If I didn't know that Anne Heche was on the show, I wouldn't have known that was her.

Amaye

11-02-2005, 03:33 PM

I think she meant Kimber, not Amber

Opps! :o Yes l did mean Kimber.

Irish Elf

11-05-2005, 04:08 PM

I still think it's Kimber - remember when Christian had his car and boat spraypainted and it turned out it was Kimber? he shows up at her door and we see her from behind with the spray paint can. She's crazy, I tell ya.

Amaye

11-09-2005, 08:24 AM

Anyone watch yesterday???

My heart was just breaking over Christian and his mom. Yes, he was a bit pushy but l don't blame him. I am loving what they are doing with him this season.

As for Julia and Quentin....eewwww!! l was yelling, please don't kiss when they were dancing. There is something weird about Quentin - l don't know. Julia - don't do it!!

As for Sean - wow! l was shocked when it was revealed that the lady killed her husband. But come on...l know he was lonely but who invites strange people who are in the Witness protection to live with you for a week?

MsPeachy

11-09-2005, 08:39 AM

As for Julia and Quentin....eewwww!! l was yelling, please don't kiss when they were dancing. There is something weird about Quentin - l don't know. Julia - don't do it!! I know!! Yuckky! And how convenient that she knows how to tango.

Man o man did I ever want to smack the living shit out of Matt. I'm glad we haven't seen him lately. He's more annoying than Julia and the reluctance of the parents to actually parent bothers the crap out of me.

I felt bad for Christian too (with his mom). And I thought the scenes with the kid with Down Syndrome and his family were very touching.

Oh! Before Quentin went in to see Julia (the first time he asked her out), it looked like he snorted something. Cocaine perhaps?

DH & I were discussing how all these story arcs are going to revolve to get Sean & Christian back together and get rid of 3rd wheel Quentin.

hockeybrat

11-09-2005, 10:29 AM

I thought he was snorting cocaine too.

They really need to send Matt to a psychologist.... he has way too much anger.

Sean was just pathetic last night. I could smell the desparation when he invited them into his home. Great, he has just endangered his family and his friends by doing that. Stupid Sean, really stupid!

KarenS

11-09-2005, 11:10 AM

hockeybrat

11-09-2005, 12:34 PM

Ditto on the cocaine thing. DH and I both commented on it.

I really *really* don't like Quentin. I don't think he's the Carver ... but I hope he goes away soon. Only 6 more episodes left in the season - so they better get moving with resolving stuff.

Karen

Only 6 more episodes? That doesn't sound like a regular season, does it?

Hope we find out who the Carver is soon.

kadee_29

11-09-2005, 12:53 PM

Hope we find out who the Carver is soon. Isn't the rumor that we will find out who the Carver is the last minute of the last episode of this season or something??? That will be the cliffhanger.

I really *hate* cliffhangers like that. :rolleyes:

bunnyboo

11-09-2005, 04:56 PM

I really *really* don't like Quentin.

Karen

Ditto!! God, I can't stand him...there is just something so eery about him!! And how rude could you be to the boy and his family with Down Syndrome. UGH!!!! I was so disgusted in his arrogant, selfish attitude!

I know they can only cover so much in each episode, but how long are Sean and Julia going to put up with Matt's obscene behavior???? He's ridiculous.

I can't believe Julia with Quentin either...and I definitely could have done without the tango piece :rolleyes:

MsPeachy

11-10-2005, 04:54 AM

Only 6 more episodes? That doesn't sound like a regular season, does it? Ack!! Only 6??? It feels like I waited forever for this season and now it's almost over! Boohoo! :(

Anyway, I thought their "seasons" were only like 13 episodes instead of the usual network shows' 22 (or thereabouts) episodes

miaclear

11-16-2005, 11:45 AM

Ok...what happens to the girl with no face now? Since they disposed of what was remaining of her original face and the transplant didn't work. How sad :(

Quinten can go now. What a looser. And TG that Anne Heche's character left. Seriously I can not believe he was going to up and leave everything behind for a woman he's known a couple weeks. And didn't he know what being in the witness protection program is about?

Islandbride1025

11-16-2005, 11:56 AM

I thought last night's episode left a lot hanging. I too wondered what will happen to the transplant girl's face. Also what happened to Anne Heche's character? Was she killed or not and where was she if she wasn't in Sean's house packing. Too many open questions.

When Christian invited the Kimber clone in, I said to DH, she's too silly for him, not even the type he would go for. Why Christian why? But gotta love Kimber for being understanding.

MsPeachy

11-16-2005, 12:07 PM

Pretty good episode. It struck me how much Christian was acting like Sean when dealing with Quentin. Christian used to be the one out for money, fame and glory and bragging about his conquests. Now he's become more of the moral voice for the practice.

I loved it when Sean & Christian "dismissed" Quentin at the end of the transplant surgery and how happy they were to be back working together.

RE: Witness Protection - Since when could anyone just join up? It costs the government money to set up new lives and identities for these people. You'd have to have a damn good reason for them to help you out.

KarenS

11-16-2005, 12:17 PM

Since when could anyone just join up? It costs the government money to set up new lives and identities for these people. You'd have to have a damn good reason for them to help you out.Yeah, but I kind of think that was the point. If the other doctor could scare Sean into backing out, it woudn't be an issue. That's why he really played on the sulfuric acid on the hands thing - playing directly to Sean's need to continue to be a surgeon. I think had Sean pushed for it after that, then there would have been a lot more depth about what was involved, why, was he eligible, etc.

lindybug

11-16-2005, 12:36 PM

Also what happened to Anne Heche's character? Was she killed or not and where was she if she wasn't in Sean's house packing. Too many open questions.

I believe that Sean was just imagining the bathroom guy coming back to get Nikki and Austin. I don't think that really happened... At least, that's how I took it.

I loved having an extra 20 minutes! :) Next week's episode with Christian's wedding looks very interesting!!!

MsPeachy

11-16-2005, 02:14 PM

Yeah, but I kind of think that was the point. I think you're right. He knew that it wasn't the right thing but could probably tell Sean would have only insisted more if he protested or said it wasn't possible. I suppose what ranckled me more was Sean's overall ignorance of the program and what it entails.

I was all confused about the extra 20 minutes!! I was sitting there at 11 waiting to see the previews for next week and it just kept going on. I was glad I didn't assume it was over and go to bed!

hockeybrat

11-16-2005, 02:21 PM

Also what happened to Anne Heche's character? Was she killed or not and where was she if she wasn't in Sean's house packing.

I got the impression that it was some sort of dream sequence Sean was having.

Amaye

11-16-2005, 02:27 PM

Sean annoyed me so much this episode. I kept on wondering whether he had thought through the implications of what he was going to do. No more contact with your family for a woman you have only know for what? 2 secs?? Why did it have to take a visit to Julia to understand?:rolleyes:

As for Kimber and Christian, they sure have their own unique relationship but hey it seems to work. l knew they had to address the issues of her being a porn star. There was no way Christian was going to marry her and have her continue to be a porn star. Have to say that he irritated me when he was like - either a wedding or the porn. Ahhmm...you knew what she was when you proposed to her! Ha! I was so glad when she laid the prenup on him!

Quentin - Ugh! He needs to go. He is insane and more and more, I think he is the craver. Hmmm..ok maybe not. It's just top obvious.

What's going on next week? Kimber not showing up to the wedding, Christian kissing Julia at the church??:eek: :confused: Looks really good!

hockeybrat

11-16-2005, 02:36 PM

What's going on next week? Kimber not showing up to the wedding, Christian kissing Julia at the church?? Looks really good!

:eek: I missed those previews! TiVo cut off right when Christian was doing lypo on Kimber

coloradogrl

11-18-2005, 01:29 PM

:eek: I missed those previews! TiVo cut off right when Christian was doing lypo on Kimber
I HATE TIVO!!!! IT DID THE SAME THING TO ME!!!

Islandbride1025

11-23-2005, 08:59 AM

Where is everyone????

Matt ought to be shipped off to brat camp! All those parents and no parenting.

In one scene Christian tells Sean he couldn't hurt him again w/Julia (or something like that) and then a couple of scenes later he's begging her to give it a try. Where is the loyalty?

The waxing scene was hysterical.

Has to be the Carver who took Kimber, but why? What is the fixation with getting at Christian...... Very interesting.

MsPeachy

11-23-2005, 09:11 AM

Hate Matt! Hate him so much! I want to smack him through my screen. What an ass. Grrrr.:mad:

I totally think the Carver snatched Kimber. Should be interesting how that plays out. She looked absolutely beautiful in her gown though & I was jealous of her enormouse Calla lillies!

DH & I were wondering if part of Sean's decision to come back to the practice had to do with him seeing Julia smooching with Quentin in his car.

Speaking of Julia - she's become quite the trollop lately.:rolleyes:

hockeybrat

11-23-2005, 09:53 AM

Can I PLEASE smack Matt since nobody on the show seems to be doing that? He is such an a-hole! That family he's hanging out with, oh geeze :rolleyes:.

Yes, Julia has been very trampy of late. She is going through major mid-life crisis!

I don't know what to make of next week's episode and Kimber being imprisioned. It looks like a really good one though.

carrie9142

11-23-2005, 11:49 AM

I started this thread this summer and just recently got all caught up on N/T! Yay! I have had to stay away for fear of being spoiled.

Oh, the minute Kimber said "Coming Sean" or whatever I KNEW it was the Carver. Knew it! Sooo creepy. I don't like that FX seems to give that away in the previews for next week. I thought I was wrong until I saw those. Way to blow the surprise :confused:

How crazy are the Nazi family?! And yet, how normal and sane do they seem. It freaks me out to know there are actually people out there like that. Plus, Matt sucks. And looks like a weird girl.

I really hope Quentin is not the Carver. Just b/c it seems so obvious. I would rather it be a surprise.

Lil_Mrs_0702

11-28-2005, 10:42 AM

Finally caught up!! I record the show on my parent's DVR and now my mom is in to it as well.
I thought it was so funny when the guys were doing their cake tasting and the girl thought that they were a couple!! I just thought it was so cute to see them interact as friends again. I always love the Christian and Sean moments.

MsPeachy

11-28-2005, 10:51 AM

I thought it was so funny when the guys were doing their cake tasting and the girl thought that they were a couple!! I just thought it was so cute to see them interact as friends again. I always love the Christian and Sean moments.Oh I so agree!! It feels like we haven't seen nearly enough of that both in this season and toward the tail end of last season. I thought it was also a good "them" moment when they completed the facial transplant surgery together.

I can't wait for this week. The show feels like it's been a bit draggy the past couple eps.

KarenS

11-29-2005, 11:10 PM

Holy .... !

Wow. I just don't know what to say. What a disturbing episode. I guessed right about Kimber ... but I still didn't expect to see it.

Yow.

MsPeachy

11-30-2005, 05:03 AM

Holy .... ! That's pretty much what I was thinking too.

So much happened in this episode - along all the subplots. I thought it was interesting when Sean & Christian thought they were getting the better of Quentin and he turned around and got them even better.

Still hating Matt & his little goth racist gf. Julia is back to being weak and an enabler. I could totally empathize with Sean's frustration there.

Yuck to the gay sex scene (anyone think Quentin wasn't enjoying that as he should have been? maybe planning to get "caught") and to the bag scene. Double yuck to the Julia/Quentin bathtub scene. I couldn't figure out who was creeping me out more in this episode - Christian or Quentin. Christian has lost it. If Kimber dies and he learns about it, he's going to hate himself even more b/c he'll realize that his anger about her was misplaced.

Avalon

11-30-2005, 07:20 AM

Well, there goes my theory that Kimber's the Carver!

kadee_29

11-30-2005, 07:33 AM

Well, there goes my theory that Kimber's the Carver! People over on the E message boards have me thinking that nothing is impossible. I seriously just don't know anymore.

4 more episodes then we will know who it is. Finally.

Amaye

11-30-2005, 08:37 AM

Ewh Ewh Ewh on the Julia & Quentin scene in the bathtub. Helloo!!! Julia! I'm sure her radar was going off but she just wanted to proven Sean wrong and just sleep with Quentin. Why didn't she ask any questions before hiring him?? Eewh!!

I so want Quentin to be the craver but it's just too obvious. Orrrrr....they (writers) might be trying to make it too obvious so that we will dismiss Quentin as being the craver. However, in reality, he probably is! :D Ok, ok, l really don't like him and am trying to make him into the Craver somehow.

I just wanna reach into the TV and smack Matt!! Julia also really annoyed me too - "she is such a sweet girl"! ugh!

I am not even going to touch the Christian/random girl scene. All I can say is :eek:!

Next week kinda looks boring. l want some more drama going on.

Islandbride1025

11-30-2005, 08:55 AM

So, DH and I are watching and he's snoozing (not yet sleep, but eyes closed) and that sex scene w/Quentin came on, he jumped from me yelling :eek:. Thank goodness for DVRs because I had to rewind that for him.

Why would Julia suggest they get into the hot tub if she had issues?? Only to have him make her forget them. I don't get it.

This is the first episode where I thought the Carver's voice sounded like Quentin. Poor Kimber.

Because the Carver rapped Christian and Quentin is bisexual, my money is he is the Carver.

KarenS

11-30-2005, 08:59 AM

I may be off base here, but I have to admit I'm a little bothered by what seem to be anti-gay and anti-bisexual comments in the thread. I agree that Quentin is a sleaze, but I really hope that it's not the gay sex and his bisexuality that's making people call him sleazy. :(

Karen

Kinetic

11-30-2005, 09:25 AM

I think in last night's episode, Quentin came off as sleazy just because he had sex with a patient. That's a line you don't cross. I dont remember Sean or Christian having sex with patients while they were still in recovery. (I may be wrong)
The bag - I couldn't believe it. Are there actually girls out there that would do that to themselves?

KarenS

11-30-2005, 09:40 AM

I dont remember Sean or Christian having sex with patients while they were still in recovery. (I may be wrong)I know Christian did at least once - remember the blind woman who he dated? And there was the woman from Africa who they did a reversal of her circumcision ... I don't remember if Christian actually had intercourse with her, but he did .. um .. you know! :)

Huh. Now I'm thinking about that one.

As for Quentin being the carver, no, I think that Quentin is going to be the final victim of the carver. The last episode of the season is titled with his name, which means he's going to be the main patient - if the episode naming holds true. So I think that the carver will come after him and I think Julia's spa/recovery center is going to be involved as well. Just a hunch.

Karen

hockeybrat

11-30-2005, 10:17 AM

WOW, just when you think Nip/Tuck cannot get any racier! :eek:

Quintin - What a total sleeze! And no Karen, not because he had gay sex or because he is bi but just his actions. Why the hell did he have to ruin that guy's career over that? And then going to Julia (not my favorite character right now - rebound much?).

Someone PLEASE, PLEASE smack Matt in the head. Does he even realize the seriousness of hate crimes? If he were my son, he'd be in military school!

Christian and "Flabby" Abby - While I don't think what he did is ok, I think he was disgusted over the fact that she hated herself so much. I don't know, it was weird and she liked it! :eek:

Poor Kimber! OK, I am thinking Liz now. But would she really be THAT pissed off at Christian to do this?

KarenS

11-30-2005, 10:28 AM

Someone PLEASE, PLEASE smack Matt in the head. Does he even realize the seriousness of hate crimes? Yeah, what I don't get is that if he supposedly loved Ava, how can he then bear to listen to what this girl says?

Karen

charissa

11-30-2005, 10:43 AM

I think in last night's episode, Quentin came off as sleazy just because he had sex with a patient. That's a line you don't cross. I dont remember Sean or Christian having sex with patients while they were still in recovery. (I may be wrong)

to add to KarenS's comment

Sean also slept with a patient, he slept with that woman who had reconstructive breast surgery because of her breast cancer, while he was still with Julia.

hockeybrat

11-30-2005, 10:46 AM

It was the way he taunted the patient that was just not right.

GoCougs

11-30-2005, 04:39 PM

I dont remember Sean or Christian having sex with patients while they were still in recovery. (I may be wrong)

I think Christian had sex with the twins from the first season that came in for surgery because they didn't want to look alike anymore....right?? Julia caught him in bed with them, I think.

MsPeachy

12-02-2005, 11:45 AM

I thought some of you might be interested in this article since it deals with a topic recently covered on Nip/Tuck

Woman receives face transplant (http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=scienceNews&storyid=2005-12-02T172953Z_01_MCC059437_RTRUKOC_0_US-FRANCE-TRANSPLANT.xml)

MsPeachy

12-07-2005, 05:55 AM

Ack! I actually forgot to watch last night!!! :eek: (The Triangle sucked me in! ;))

What happened??????

KarenS

12-07-2005, 08:32 AM

Ok, lat night ... wow. As we neared the end I was thinking, huh, this is a pretty tame episode, compared to normal. Nothing really freaky or weird is happening other than the brief Kimber hallucination that Christian had. It was sort of a vanilla episode - almost like a setup for next week.

And then when Jules walks into her apartment and her mom is there ... WHOA! DH and I both yelled "Holy S***!" at the same time.

Wow.

Karen

hockeybrat

12-07-2005, 10:07 AM

andrew&shannah

12-07-2005, 10:23 AM

Would someone be able to give a quick recap?

TIA!

KarenS

12-07-2005, 11:54 AM

So that means Julia suffocated a total stranger at the triage center, right?Yep. That's what we figured.

Quick recap:
Quentin gets snotty with Julia at the spa and kind of slaps her down in front of the rest of the staff. She reminds him that he works for her. Her mom is visiting, getting a massage and they have words. Julia tells her mom that she should try to get an earlier flight out and "get your bony ass out of my spa". Her mom leaves. Basically Julia's having a really bad day.

Next thing we know Julia is at the airport with a bunch of other people - a plane has crashed and no one knows anything about survivors. Julia calls Sean and he comes and gets her into the triage area - he calls Christian and they start helping out treating the victims. He gets Jules into the triage area as well to look for her mom.

Lots of burned bodies and surgery stuff. Christian treats one blonde woman and keeps halucinating that she's Kimber and that she's telling him that he should just let her die.

Sean freaks out about cutting skin off of a dead person to graft to a badly burned survivor and Julia does it instead. The doctor in charge tells her that it's a shame she dropped out of med school.

Christian finds Julia and tells her that they've found her mother and she's dead. He says that her face and upper body are badly burned and that she's not recognizeable and is Julia sure she wants to see her. Julia asks how they know it's her and Christian says face shape, she has traces of the type of surgery they gave her, and that he recognized a diamond shaped birthmark on her inner thigh (from when he slept with her). So Julia goes in and sits by the gurney and pours out a bunch of stuff to her body. As she gets up to leave, her mom begins gasping for breath. Julia looks stunned for a minute and then takes a pillow and suffocates her (almost a mercy killing since it's obvious that she wouldn't have survived and would ahve been in great pain in the meanwhile).

At the end she runs into Sean sitting outside and he admits that he's not the man he thought he was and that Jules has always been stronger than he is.

Julia gets back to the spa at 7 the next morning and Quentin is trying to make up to her and tells her that he's there for her. She fires him.

She gets home, walks into her apartment and her mom is sitting on her sofa - looks up at her and says "I've been waiting for you - that earlier flight you wanted me on crashed. Isn't it a good thing I wasn't on that plane." The episode ends as Jules is looking at her in shock.

And that's about it.

Karen

andrew&shannah

12-07-2005, 12:11 PM

She gets home, walks into her apartment and her mom is sitting on her sofa - looks up at her and says "I've been waiting for you - that earlier flight you wanted me on crashed. Isn't it a good thing I wasn't on that plane." The episode ends as Jules is looking at her in shock.

And that's about it.

Karen
Thanks so much! All I have to say is HOLY S#$tT! So, Julia killed some random person?!
At least Quentin is gone (at least I can hope) since he has been dumped and fired!

KarenS

12-07-2005, 12:21 PM

At least Quentin is gone (at least I can hope) since he has been dumped and fired!I wouldn't count on that. The episode name of the final ep. is Quentin Costa - so I suspect he'll be back.

Karen

SMgal

12-07-2005, 12:24 PM

Okay. So, I'm WAY behind! After our wedding, my H and I started renting Nip/Tuck. We are HOOKED!! We're in the middle of Season 2. Christian just lost his Wilbur which actually, made me cry... That life coach is CRAZY and giving therapists a BAD name! What she does with Matt is COMPLETELY illegal!! Please, someone tell me she doesn't last long....

andrew&shannah

12-07-2005, 12:27 PM

I wouldn't count on that. The episode name of the final ep. is Quentin Costa - so I suspect he'll be back.

Karen

Hmm...That is very interesting! If they follow the standard practice of naming the episode after the person who has the major surgery of the show, then Quentin will come in for surgery. Maybe he gets attacked?

Avalon

12-07-2005, 01:00 PM

Thanks for the recap. I missed this episode last night because I passed out during the opening credits. I'll have to make sure I catch it when they do one of the reruns this week.

I'm just glad to hear that Quentin was fired!

Kinetic

12-07-2005, 01:37 PM

hockeybrat

12-07-2005, 03:18 PM

That was really Erika (Julia's mom) alive at the end, right??

I ask because Christian kept seeing Kimber in the patient at the crash. I just want to be sure that Erika's still alive. The show sometimes plays these dream-sequence/delusions. What a great twist!

I am off to check out The Carver's myspace page now....

Did you see the myspace page? The Carver refers to himself as a male so does that necessarily rule out Liz? Maybe they are trying to fool us?

KarenS

12-07-2005, 03:19 PM

I didn't see the Carver's myspace page. Does anyone have a link?

Karen

andrew&shannah

12-07-2005, 03:59 PM

www.myspace.com/thecarver

Originally, it said "female" under gender though...

hockeybrat

12-07-2005, 04:09 PM

www.myspace.com/thecarver

Originally, it said "female" under gender though...

Hmmmm.... last night it said male and now I didn't see ANY gender.

Kinetic

12-07-2005, 07:44 PM

The Carver's favorite tv show is "According to Jim." LOL

MsPeachy

12-08-2005, 05:24 AM

Please, someone tell me she doesn't last long.... Oh we can't tell you anything - that would spoil it for you! ;)

I really wish I had seen the scene between Julia & Quentin when he called her a bitch and she said "yea but I'm not your bitch". Dayyyumm

KarenS

12-08-2005, 07:20 AM

she said "yea but I'm not your bitch". DayyyummActually what she said was "At least I'm not yours."

Karen

charissa

12-08-2005, 10:01 AM

Actually what she said was "At least I'm not yours."

Karen

OMG - that was such an awesome moment!!! hahaha.

So in the preview Julia was saying she was pregnant or at least Sean was saying she was, maybe that's why the last episode is entitled quentin costa - you know how they title the episodes after someone who's not a MAJOR part of the plot of the ongoing story, but is still involved in the episode... who knows... ack, all i know is, i CAN'T WAIT...

anyone have any spoilers??? :-D

Avalon

12-08-2005, 04:28 PM

I'm amused by The Carver's My Space page - the blog and the listed interests. As it always seems on My Space, I'm disturbed by other people's comments. Where did they learn spelling and grammar? And do they think the show is real?

sportyj

12-08-2005, 09:52 PM

(almost a mercy killing since it's obvious that she wouldn't have survived and would ahve been in great pain in the meanwhile).

No no no Julia says at the end of her chat with mom that "she can leave now" and Julia is relieved for her mom to die because she practically says her death has brought Julia life since "she saved two lives today." So when the person starts gasping for breath she doesn't want her mom alive. It was not a mercy killing, it was a "get the hell out of my life FOOR GOOD" killing.

KarenS

12-09-2005, 08:08 AM

No no no Julia says at the end of her chat with mom that "she can leave now" and Julia is relieved for her mom to die because she practically says her death has brought Julia life since "she saved two lives today." So when the person starts gasping for breath she doesn't want her mom alive. It was not a mercy killing, it was a "get the hell out of my life FOOR GOOD" killing.Do you think? I honestly think it was a little of both ... but you're right, there was a strong element of "thank god I won't have to deal with you ever again".

Karen

MsPeachy

12-13-2005, 08:50 AM

Just an FYI - I was just checking the TV schedule for tonight and noticed that next week, they are airing the 2nd-to-last and season finale episodes on the same night. So instead of having 1 new episode next week, they'll air 2 new eps. back to back. The first one is on at the regular time - 10pm to 11pm and then the finale is from 11pm-12am

KarenS

12-13-2005, 09:28 AM

Oh, good to know. I have to make sure TiVo is set up to record both.

K.

hockeybrat

12-14-2005, 10:43 AM

Thank goodness Matt finally saw that chick as having problems!

MsPeachy

12-14-2005, 12:15 PM

I hated Matt a lot less than I usually do last night.

Loved the scene at the clinic with Sean & Julia & I loved when he called her and admitted to being a chicken. It was so sweet!!

For all you Liz theorists - gonna see what happens next week when she gets put in the hot seat.

hockeybrat

12-14-2005, 12:16 PM

MsPeachy

12-14-2005, 12:21 PM

That petrified fetus was freaky.You are so right! Ick! I couldn't help but wonder though (And this is probably due to all the time I spend here on CC speculatiing on celebs!) - for a fetus that size, wouldn't her belly have been a lot bigger? I mean, that was a 6 or more month old fetus. Even after she lost alot of weight, wouldn't her belly have been sticking out more? Although, I'm sure that's why she couldn't lose those last few pounds! :p

miaclear

12-14-2005, 04:20 PM

Yeah...if between her and her husband they lost what...almost 200 pounds....then she might not have noticed the baby weight. Very sad.

hockeybrat

12-14-2005, 04:24 PM

It was sad and then he left her for some bimbo!

alliekat75

12-15-2005, 06:41 PM

Hi everyone,
This is my first in this forum, but I totally *heart* Nip/Tuck. Unfortunately, our DVR didn't record NT this week. Does anyone know where I can read a re-cap? I checked the FX site, but it just gave a very high-level overview. I also checked Television Without Pity, but they had nothing.

Thanks so much!

Allie

charissa

12-16-2005, 07:14 AM

alliekat when my Tivo skips Tuesdays b/c of other things, it always picks it up on Friday night.

Nole

12-20-2005, 11:51 AM

I can't wait until tonights episode!!

hockeybrat

12-20-2005, 11:53 AM

Me too! I am excited :)

MsPeachy

12-20-2005, 11:54 AM

Don't forget - 2 episodes back-to-back tonight!

10-11pm
11-12pm - Season Finale

Kimberland30

12-20-2005, 01:43 PM

I'll definately have to set my DVR just in case I fall asleep. I might just go ahead and take a nap when I get home to be sure I can stay up until after midnight - I'm a total sleep hound during the week!

So tonight they unveil The Carver right?

hockeybrat

12-20-2005, 01:46 PM

KarenS

12-20-2005, 01:51 PM

From The Carver's myspace page:

Brothers and sisters – all rise. The time has come, the dusk is upon us. We gather together tonight on a grand occasion. Tonight I settle all accounts; tonight I give myself, all of myself to the World as sacrifice. Prepare yourselves, children – the pale horse rides, the end of days is at hand.

People get ready, there’s a train coming – you don’t need no ticket – just get on board.

I just can't wait.

K.

Kimberland30

12-20-2005, 01:51 PM

Me either! Dh gets off work at 9 tonight, so he'll be able to watch it with me. This is the only show we regularily watch together. Not really all that romantic really. :)

lindybug

12-20-2005, 04:40 PM

I am still guessing it's Meryl!

newmommy

12-20-2005, 10:07 PM

Who is ready to talk about the last episode???

I have so many questions and points to make!!!!

jeanine

12-21-2005, 05:20 AM

I stayed up last night to watch all two hours (I usually tivo it). I'm ready to talk about it!

Kimberland30

12-21-2005, 06:09 AM

Me too. I set the DVR but DH didn't get home until late, so we were up until 1 AM watching it. Thank goodness I took a nap when I got home from work.

Sashi

12-21-2005, 07:08 AM

I'm certainly glad I stayed up for it last night, the suspense was killing me. And I feel incredibly relieved that i guessed right! I had a side bet going with a friend who thought it was Merrill. I know they didn't actually show Merill dead but I'm pretty sure he is!

newmommy

12-21-2005, 08:01 AM

Okay, so I so called the Carver!!! I just knew it from the beginning!! I stood up and cheered because I impressed myself, HAHAHAHA!!!!

However I have a few questions:

About the sibling thing.....why is it that she had an accent from the beginning, and then seemed to lose it in the last scene?
Wouldn't they both have one?

Do you all think that there is something wrong with Julia and Sean's baby, and that's why she made that face while hugging him???

ummm, okay that's all for now :)

Kimberland30

12-21-2005, 08:01 AM

Yeah, my guess was right too. I didn't see the twist coming though, that was pretty cool. I really hated how it all ended last night. It just seemed kinda forced. I wonder what news Julia got, because that seemed to make her want to get back together with Sean, or at least I thought so.

Islandbride1025

12-21-2005, 08:03 AM

I'm not sure how I feel about Quentin being the carver. It was soo obvious throughout the season, I was hoping they would go against the grain and shock us. Now Merrill would have been the perfect choice. I forgot about him.

I felt so bad for Kimber, but I totally see why she didn't want to be with Christian anymore.

Last night's storyline has redeemed Matt in my eyes (he actually looked hot to me for the first time EVER). Still needs to control those brows.

Kinetic

12-21-2005, 08:06 AM

AMAZING Episode!!!!
It was so suspenseful. And, I think that I was in even more suspense watching the parallel storyline with Matt.

The Carver: obvious choice, but the details were shocking!

A question for you: Does Julia know something that I don't about her baby? I thought that I may have missed something here. I thought that she was trying to connive Sean in the end.

KarenS

12-21-2005, 08:19 AM

About the sibling thing.....why is it that she had an accent from the beginning, and then seemed to lose it in the last scene?
Wouldn't they both have one?I think the accent was put on a bit. The nun that Sean and Christian were talking to did say that she moved to London several years ago so it's possible that she developed a bit of an accent and then just put it on more when she came to Miami. Quentin (as far as we've been told) never lived in London - he was in Atlanta originally when he was brought down to repair Sean's face - so he wouldn't have an accent.

Do you all think that there is something wrong with Julia and Sean's baby, and that's why she made that face while hugging him???I thought there was. I got the impression when the doctor was telling Julia about the results of the test that something was wrong - her face fell when Julia told her Sean wasn't with her, so I thought she might have been concerned that Julia didn't have any support.

Overall I thought it was a good suspenseful series of episodes, but I was disappointed at the very end where it felt like everythign was too rushed. It seemed too contrived that the Carver was gone (as far as they knew), Matt was making amends, Julia and Sean are getting back together ... etc., etc. I thought it wrapped up too neatly in a bow.

Karen

armadillo

12-21-2005, 08:19 AM

I think Kit was faking the accent. The nun said she moved to England when she grew up. When she started talking about Quentin's sister, I knew she was talking about herself! As for the carver, does anyone else think it was actually both Quentin AND Kit working together?

Cali_Katy

12-21-2005, 08:21 AM

I definitely think Julia got bad news with the CVS results: bad enough that she didn't think she could manage raising the baby by herself.

Kinetic

12-21-2005, 08:26 AM

Of Course it was Kit and Quentin working together, but I think that Quentin alone did the carvings.
As for her accent, she did grow up and live in London, so she is able to speak it well, but I think she was faking it for the detective role. Didn't the Miami Police department investigate her before having her join in the case?? I hated the way she would interogate everyone, especially poor Liz!
I didn't think that Kimber's face looked as bad as I thought. When they were describing her torture, I was so squimish - (injecting her with chicken fat, burning her face, and taking out her lip collogen - all without anestesia!!)

armadillo

12-21-2005, 09:25 AM

I dunno, I think Kit did some of the carvings too...she admitted to carving Quentin's face at the end, so it's not like she didn't know what to do or how to do it...

And knowing what we know now, how gross was it when Christian, Kimber, Kit, and Quentin were all getting it on? Blech!

hockeybrat

12-21-2005, 09:30 AM

I think the accent was put on a bit. The nun that Sean and Christian were talking to did say that she moved to London several years ago so it's possible that she developed a bit of an accent and then just put it on more when she came to Miami. Quentin (as far as we've been told) never lived in London - he was in Atlanta originally when he was brought down to repair Sean's face - so he wouldn't have an accent.

I thought there was. I got the impression when the doctor was telling Julia about the results of the test that something was wrong - her face fell when Julia told her Sean wasn't with her, so I thought she might have been concerned that Julia didn't have any support.

Overall I thought it was a good suspenseful series of episodes, but I was disappointed at the very end where it felt like everythign was too rushed. It seemed too contrived that the Carver was gone (as far as they knew), Matt was making amends, Julia and Sean are getting back together ... etc., etc. I thought it wrapped up too neatly in a bow.

Karen

Too neat. It made me wonder if there will be a 4th season.

The side story with Kit and Quentin was definitely shocking!!!

BTW, since Q was shot in the back, would a kevlar vest really have protected him?

jeanine

12-21-2005, 09:48 AM

I thought Quentin being the Carver was predictable, but the details were pretty shocking. I read on E! (Watch with Kristin) that there were talks that this would not be the last we've seen of Quentin. I thought the parallel story with Matt was pretty captivating, and I'm so happy that he has started to redeem himself.

I also think that Julia got some bad news with the test results, and she doesn't want to raise a child "with problems" (don't know how else to word it) alone.

And knowing what we know now, how gross was it when Christian, Kimber, Kit, and Quentin were all getting it on? Blech!

Seriously! Gross!

KarenS

12-21-2005, 09:51 AM

I dunno, I think Kit did some of the carvings too...she admitted to carving Quentin's face at the end, so it's not like she didn't know what to do or how to do it...REmember tho, that while Christian was repairing Quentin's face, he made a comment about how it wasn't "clean" like his slashings usually were (I think he said something like "not up to his usual standard") and Sean replied that he might be breaking down. I think Q did all the carvings *except* of course, his own, and Kit did that one to take the heat off of him.

Karen

armadillo

12-21-2005, 10:06 AM

REmember tho, that while Christian was repairing Quentin's face, he made a comment about how it wasn't "clean" like his slashings usually were (I think he said something like "not up to his usual standard") and Sean replied that he might be breaking down. I think Q did all the carvings *except* of course, his own, and Kit did that one to take the heat off of him.

Karen

I KNEW I should have rewound the DVR...I swear I only missed a couple of minutes and totally missed that scene!

lindybug

12-21-2005, 10:16 AM

I loved the episode. Kinda predictable that Quentin was the carver, but I do love the details and that Kit was involved. I want to re-watch the entire season now, knowing all this!

I wonder what the problem is with Julia and Sean's baby. :( I really hope that's not the only reason she wants to get back together with him.

KB57

12-21-2005, 12:03 PM

It just seemed too obvious that Quentin was the carver and last night I was really disappointed about it but now the more I think about it- it wasn't really only him so I guess the whole Kit thing was the "shock" factor. Can't say I saw that coming, although I was wondering over the past few weeks what had happened to Kit since she seemed to had disappeared off the face of the earth -- I knew we hadn't seen the last of her. But I never thought it would be to that extreme. Thinking back to that "foursome" now is kind of gross, knowing they were brother and sister, but its not like they had any intercourse, since Quentin is lacking in the penis department. :eek: (that was weird)

The whole thing with Matt and Cherry and the psycho Nazi father was kind of strange....even by N/T standards. I guess they are trying to make Matt into a nice person again, but, I don't know...something about that kid...I just want to smack him.

I think its pretty obvious that Julia's CVS results came back and they were not good. Either that or the doctor told her that Sean isn't the father??? Not sure. They did leave alot open for another season....Matt (did he and Cherry kill the psycho Nazi or not?) Julia (unhealthy baby or paternal issues???) Christian (Kimber or no more Kimber??) and Quentin & Kit (will they be caught???) Also I was happy to see Gina at the end (even though she got carved-will she be back and what's going to happen if Christian and Kimber are really over??)

Overall it was a good episode...this show never ceases to amaze me-the way they write this stuff is so brilliant--a little disappointed at the Carver revelation--but otherwise, great television.

Just my 2 cents (maybe a little more):)

cc8

12-21-2005, 12:22 PM

Trying so hard not to read this thread!
I just finished renting/watching LAST season on DVD. When can I expect *this* season to be out on DVD? I am hooked on the show but don't want to start watching mid-season (I'd rather wait for the DVDs). Anyone know?

Islandbride1025

12-21-2005, 12:44 PM

BTW, since Q was shot in the back, would a kevlar vest really have protected him?

Not only that, when Kit unzipped the body bag and he opened his shirt, the bullet "mark" was on the front, not the back. How can the bullet go through him and make a mark on the front of the vest????

BrownEyedGirl

12-21-2005, 01:06 PM

About the bullet and vest...I'm guessing a squib was used so it looked like he was shot and bleeding in the front. When he opened his shirt you could see the packet used for the fake blood.

hockeybrat

12-21-2005, 01:09 PM

About the bullet and vest...I'm guessing a squib was used so it looked like he was shot and bleeding in the front. When he opened his shirt you could see the packet used for the fake blood.

OK, I didn't think about that. I should have since she said they planned the shooting. That makes more sense now.

MsPeachy

12-22-2005, 05:27 AM

Well I finally saw the final episode last night. It was soooo hard for me to not come in here.

Overall - an excellent and suspenseful wrap up of the season. We got our answers on big questions but there are enough questions to carry us over to next season.

I was a bit disappointed that the Carver was someone so obvious. The Kit angle was a good and kinky twist though. For those of you saying that knowing what we know now, the foursome scene was icky. Well, I think that Kit & Quentin were carrying on the family tradition of an incestuous relationship. I wanted to point out that the deformities both of them had are a result of multi-generational pairings. You have to really deplete the gene variety to get to birth defects that severe.

The parallel scenes with Matt/Cherry/Nazi Dad & Sean/Christian/Quentin were really well done and suspenseful. I'm glad Nazi Dad got what he deserved. I hope Matt took Cherry to get some medical attention.I really hope that's not the only reason she wants to get back together with him. It's gotta be. Otherwise, she wouldn't have done the complete 180 on the house issue and she wouldn't have had that look of regret on her face when Sean was hugging her.

Kimberland30

12-22-2005, 06:28 AM

I thinik Kevlar vests have protection in the front and back. I agree that it was too tidy at the end, it didn't make sense to me. I still don't like Matt, no matter what he does. He goes from being a total punk ass all season to all-nice-and-family. Whatever.

skyblu

12-22-2005, 06:03 PM

Ugh. Honestly, I was very disappointed in the finale. So as not to re-type everything, I share quotes from myself and an LJ friend who was equally annoyed:

The Carver was Quentin? And he has no penis? And Kit is his sister? Who was seriously deformed but is now one of the arguably best looking women on the show (there's only so much plastic surgery can do)? And she just happens to be a cop? A cop in London that is SO good that they assign her to a case in Florida? How the hell did they set THAT up? And then what was the whole carving thing about it? Were they both in on it from the very beginning? And that seems quite contrary to their whole message given the fact that he made her gorgeous, right? I mean, it was just so SO bad. And Sean and Christian discover that Kit was really Quentin's sister and then what? They go home and make pasta? Meanwhile, Matt is being terrorized by a mad racist, so he and his tranny friend (who should be bleeding profusely considering Matt just cut the guy's penis off) shoot the guy dead and then what? He goes home to eat pasta?

That whole interrogation sequence between Kit and Quentin at the police station, when she accuses him and says something about his penis, like "I had it inside of me, remember?". WTF was that about? For the benefit of the higher-up cops listening in? Whatever!

Also bothering me throughout the entire season was the absolute and complete lack of scars of anyone after being attacked by the carver. Sure, plastic surgery can greatly minimize scars, but NOBODY had even a faint line on their faces? And when the sorority house was attacked, all these chicks just sitting around with huge slashes on their faces, which supposedly happened recently enough that the paramedics aren't there yet, but none of them are bleeding. Or going to the hospital? Just directly to a plastic surgery clinic?

I was also thinking how stupid it is that Gina gets carved at the end. It's like they had to carve every single main character?