Thoughts on putting a dog down for biting?

[Mandos*Bella]

:mad:
I was on LJ and belong to a group for JR Terriers. A woman posted on there about her problem. Please read it here:

This is a last ditch effort.

Douglas bit me. This is his fourth bite. I am afraid of him and no longer desire to try to work with him. We talked to a few behaviorists and we were told that we should keep him on a gentle leader, muzzles, a dragline pretty much all the time. My boyfriend and I came to the conclusion that we just can't do it anymore. It is ripping our relationship apart. He doesn't agree with muzzling and constant gentle leaders. I am just plain and simply terrified. I can't do it. And I feel like it's our faults. It's not, though. His previous owners didn't do what was necessary to stop his aggression as a puppy.

We are going to take him to the humane society to be boarded. If we can't find an answer within two days, he will be surrendered. If anyone would like to take him(NO KIDS IN THE FAMILY PLEASE) let me know. I am in the Minneapolis area.

Don't make me feel evil. I have done everything in my power to help. He wasn't allowed on furniture, he was hand fed...any advice I recieved on how to handle him--I took it.

This dog is wonderful with men. Single men with no other pets. He just can't get enough of men. But women on the other hand. Women and children he just has no respect for. So, if you are a single guy....

After many urges by other posters to try other things, the woman put the dog to sleep that same day. I can't help but feel she did this because she didn't like the dog; it sounded as she gave her bf an ultimatum.

Please read and post your comments. I can't help but be sickened by her actions. :(

Here is the link to the post and the comments (she got a lot):http://www.livejournal.com/community/jrterriers/296282.html

[Kristen78]

I could never put my dog down for biting, but at the same time neither of my dogs have ever bitten a person. This woman says she has done everything she can, but she also admits that she isn't willing to try the trainer's advice of using a muzzle or gentle leader or whatever it is because her "boyfriend doesn't agree with it". I think if you are ready to put a dog down so easily then you probably shouldn't own a dog.

I do think there might be times when you have to put an aggressive dog down though, but it seems like there might always be an alternative.

[Lanapoo]

I think it's awful. Pretty much every breed has a rescue society and they will foster animals until they can be placed in a suitable home. The people who foster the animals will know how to help with the aggression problem. I think I would try that option before putting the dog down. There are certainly dogs who are not placeable, but I think that the one fostering the dog would be more qualified to make that decision. :(

[Mandos*Bella]

ITA, this woman didn't do much of anything but whine about her own problems. A poster told her never to get another dog or have kids, to which the woman replied she had 3 other dogs.:eek:

Scorpion woman.

[Freckles]

How heartbreaking. The poor dog was probably confused about his role in the pack---the boyfriend should have determined his role as the alpha dog. They obviously didn't do everything that they could, because this statement:
He doesn't agree with muzzling and constant gentle leaders. says that they skipped some very reasonable measures to correct things.:rolleyes:
And they should have surrendered to a Russell Rescue that would place the dog in the right home. A behaviorist could have helped greatly as well. Sounds like they didn't want to train properly. Yes, it is tiring, but not everyone should just be a dog parent. I feel so bad for the dog.:( It seems like they gave up instead of seeking out actual solutions. Yes, a biting/aggressive dog is scary, but someone could have taught them how to correct the situation, or they could have re-homed the dog to a family that could committ the time.

[Sue]

And being a JRT - a very high active dog - I would bet that the dog wasn't getting enough exercise and mental stimulation that probably manifested itself. Some people shouldn't even own a stuffed dog.

[Mandos*Bella]

I know. I feel so bad for him. He had no idea what was going on, probably.

She said this later on :
Yup. I told my boyfriend, since this was the second bite to me, that if he takes the dog into his home that I will not move in with him later. And I wouldn't have. I shouldn't have to put up with a dog that hurts me. No one should.

He is gone now. He went to sleep in our arms. With a smile on his face.

Ugh. I so shouldn't have read that-I have an interview in an hour and I am all teary-eyed. Poor, poor little guy.

:(

Sue- ITA, she just wanted instant satisfaction. Idiot.

[villanelle75]

It's disgusting. If she didn't want to keep the dog, I can understand that. My parent's recently resuced a dog who is large (abotu 100 lbs.) and capable of doign far more damage than a JRT. He's got a lot of issues because he clearl yhad a very veru rough life previous to ending up in a rescue foster hoem adn then at my parents' house. He's caused her to get 8 stiches and her arms are covered in small tooth-shaped scabs. She calls them her "Barley holes'. (The dog's name is Barley.) She's thought about giving him up several times, including after an incident two weekends ago where he went after Dh when we were visiting and DH startled him. Dh has several tooth holes on his chest and a lovely yellow bruise. However, she feels it is her resonsibility to exhaust every last possibility and to give this dog every chance that his previsou owners took from him. I see the struggle though and the anguish she goes through in being a little afrid of the dog she is quickly growing to love, and in being afriad every time she has people over.

I say all this to show that I really understand this woman's plight and if she felt she couldn't handle the dog, I woudl have understood that. But to have him killed simply because she didnt' want to try anymore is sickening. Any JRT rescue group would have taken that dog in without hesitation. I hope when this woman is older that her children, or whomever takes care of her, treat he with the same "compassion".

[Kristen78]

It really bothers me that a veterinarian would euthanize a dog that could have a chance for a better life in a different home. Do they really just euthanize any dog that the owner doesn't want anymore?? I would think that vets would have to have morals and what not. Although I'm sure some will do anything for money.

[LittleFredPunkinHead]

She sucks. Totally. :mad: She should have given him up to a JRT rescue. Ugh!

[pride&prejudice]

And being a JRT - a very high active dog - I would bet that the dog wasn't getting enough exercise and mental stimulation that probably manifested itself. Some people shouldn't even own a stuffed dog.

I agree with you so much! There are days that we don't get to take our dog out for a walk/exercise, and those are the days that we have the most "problems" with her. I could never put a dog down for biting.

There are times that I get frustrated if my dog isn't listening, but most of the time I have to examine whether I am doing something to contribute to it.

[Mandos*Bella]

I was wondering the same thing, Kristen. All for the $, I guess. :mad:

[fuzzy]

This part gets me: And I feel like it's our faults. It's not, though. His previous owners didn't do what was necessary to stop his aggression as a puppy.


Um, yeah. Because adult dogs can't be rehabilitated.

[kam]

Why do people insist on putting their animals to sleep instead of giving him to a rescue?!? Why, why, why? It's like refusing to have your dog fixed because it insults his manhood. I hope her boyfriend dumps her anyhow and she's left contemplating how she ended a life to be with a may-an.

[steviem]

I am sick to my stomach.

So you can no longer handle the dog? Fine.... GIVE HIM TO A RESCUE GROUP where there are people who are willing to help train the dog. This just makes me so sad.

The woman sounds like a complete idiot....like she was almost jealous of the dog's relationship with her boyfriend and felt like she wasn't "first."

So, so sad :(

[andrew&shannah]

This woman is ridiculous! She is also a complete liar! First the dog bit her 4 times...then later she says 'since this was his second bite'. Finally, in trying to defend herself, she asks 'have you ever been bitten 20 times?'

It is clear she just wanted the dog gone. I, honestly, doubt the dog ever really bit her!

So sad...

[sandt8704]

That makes me SO sad! Rescue groups are DEFINATELY the way to go in a situation like that!

[Mandos*Bella]

I looked at the posters' LJ, and 3 days after they put that poor dog down, she talks about how sad she is because she and her friends do not make "music videos" to No Doubt anymore.

:confused:

[Mandos*Bella]

I didn't even realize that! Good point :) I was too busy reeling at the dumb broad.

This woman is ridiculous! She is also a complete liar! First the dog bit her 4 times...then later she says 'since this was his second bite'. Finally, in trying to defend herself, she asks 'have you ever been bitten 20 times?'

It is clear she just wanted the dog gone. I, honestly, doubt the dog ever really bit her!

So sad...

[Tonysweetie]

OH MY! How awful!!!!! I hate when I hear stuff like this. I agree with other posters, she could've given him to a better home or to a shelter. Geez! :( I feel so bad for the poor dog! This brought tears into my eyes. I think the only reasons a dog should be put down if it is suffering! My dog scooter is about to be put down but only b/c he's 16 years old and is suffering from major bone loss. My parents are having him put down and my Mom feels like such an awful person but the vet said this would be best for him b/c he's in sooo much pain :( But just for a couple bites that obviously didn't cause muc damage is no reason to put this poor incocent dog to sleep! And she saids he went "with a smile on his face" Yea right lady! Give me a break. ARGH! I'm so mad at this lady I don't even know. :mad:

[Tonysweetie]

I didn't even realize that! Good point :) I was too busy reeling at the dumb broad.


I didn't realize that either, what a WITCH!

[Mandos*Bella]

ITA, Tonysweetie, if the dog is old and in pain, suffering-then it is something to consider. This chick wanted that dog gone, and had no heart. Too bad the poor thing had to die in the presence of that witch. If he only knew.

How could she ride with him to the vet knowing this would be his last car ride? How can the dumb@ss bf live with himself?

[Tonysweetie]

ITA, Tonysweetie, if the dog is old and in pain, suffering-then it is something to consider. This chick wanted that dog gone, and had no heart. Too bad the poor thing had to die in the presence of that witch. If he only knew.

How could she ride with him to the vet knowing this would be his last car ride? How can the dumb@ss bf live with himself?

I have no idea, but I know I could NEVER go through w/that! Like right now I'm almost in tears just thinkng about doing taht to my kitty. He's in my lap cuddling w/me now and he Bites me all the time :rolleyes: but I could never even THINK about putting him down or giving him up! He's the love of my life...besides DH ;)

[katiadarling]

I hate to be the dissenting opinion, but dogs that bite are often trouble. Sure, sometimes they're justified, but sometimes it signals a BIG problem in temperament. If a dog bites once, it is more likely to bite again because it found that biting works to solve it's problems.
I work at a humane society and see tons of dogs that come in that are aggressive and frankly, I wouldn't feel comfortable living near them. It's all good if the owners can control the dog, but what if you're at the park with your kids and the dog slips it's leash and it bites your child? AGGRESION IS NOT OK! Having had a dog that had serious aggression problems, I have no problem with surrendering it to a shelter... even if that means it will be put down. Our shelter will not adopt out animals that we know have bit someone, unless it was a very special circumstance.
It is always sad when an animal has to be put down, but outstanding aggression is definitely a very real reason to euthanize a dog. Unless you've actually met this woman and her dog, I don't think it's fair to pass judgement on her.

[Mandos*Bella]

I guess the reason I feel at liberty to pass judgement is because she contridicted herself various times. She couldn't get her story straight, and because of that, I believe her choice to put down the dog was flawed and selfish. She obviously passed judgement on the animal before getting to the root of the problem, or trying anything the behaviorists suggested.


Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, as that is why I started this thread. :)

[katiadarling]

I don't think she did contradict herself... she said it was his fourth bite (not specifying to whom) and then she said it was his second bite to her. Sometimes, any bite can be too much. Especially if it's regarding guarding objects. It is also not true that a dog can be worked with to the point of being "totally cured" when it's older. You can do extensive work to minimize the issue, but there will always be a chance of a bite occuring again.

[greenbunny]

I consider euthanasia an absolute last resort, and from what I've read they didn't try every other option. They "didn't believe in" what the behaviorist recommended. Well, then, what did they expect? They didn't get a second opinion, just threw the whole concept out the window. That's like "not believing in" antibiotics and bitching when the pneumonia kills the patient.

She said herself that the dog didn't like women, yet she didn't discuss rehoming him into an all-male household. When searching for our pets both locally and on Petfinder, we saw many cats and dogs who had specific gender requirements for the owner. It isn't uncommon.

A great many behaviors can be treated with training, behavorial therapy, even meds--or another living situation. We are currently starting our cat on behavorial medication for litter box and aggression issues. We struggled with that decision because the vet thinks she should be an only pet, so we considered rehoming her, but we will not entertain the idea of euthanasia. If the meds do not help, we will experiment with an only home situation by having my parents take the other cat for a while--so we know for certain what is best for her.

Overall this woman sounds like the dog was only a hassle and she wanted to appear to care. If you read enough of these situations, you can see the difference.

[mrsk]

That's awful!

My DH knew of a family who owned a very nice mild mannered dog for 10 years. Once they had their first baby they put the dog down. There was nothing wrong with the dog, they just didn't want to take any chances. To this day I don't know why they didn't just adopt the dog out. Lots of people are looking for older animals.

Having had to put down a pet (she had such bad cancer it had lost all mobility), I dont think euthanasia should be used lightly. I felt awful when we had to put our cat down, almost guilty. I guess I just don't understand how people can do something like that.

[BethIrish]

It makes me sick to that people look at dogs/cats/pets as disposable. Too big? Put it down. Have a baby? Put it down. Not the right color/size/etc? Put it down.

Argh.

[camberne]

Our dog, Scout, bit my son twice. The first time, he (the puppy) was only four months old and my son (was 10) was rolling around on the ground with the puppy and he got nipped on the nose an had to go to the ER and get him glued back together (he has a scar that's barely noticeable). They had to call the Health Dept to file a report on the dog - no exceptions, all dog bites had to be reported. The second time was a year and a half ago - he was putting the dog's walking collar on him (our trainer told us to get a prong collar to keep him from pulling during walks) and he jumped up and got my son's thumb (ripped it pretty bad) and two punctures in his upper arm. While I was on the way to the Patient First with my son (he got seven stitches in his thumb), my husband was on the way to our friend's house with the dog - in our area, two bites is a death sentence for a dog. The Health Dept was called again and we told them that the dog ran away... they never followed up.

After two weeks at our friends' house, he did run away and we found him... poor thing was tired and pitiful. We took him to the vet because he had a gooey, matted spot on his neck. Turns out that the prong collar had been repeatedly irritating his neck and he got an infection that was just getting worse and worse - he never let on until that bite! They shaved his neck and it looked like raw meat. Poor Scout!! He had antibiotics and anti-itching powder and it cleared up greatly.

Just because a dog bites, does not mean that the dog is mean. Sometimes it does - four bites is an ongoing problem. A snap is one thing, a bite where there is injury is totally different.

[Mandos*Bella]

I agree. Some people should not be allowed to own pets.

I was telling this to a family member in Texas. She and her bf, who can't even care for their two sons, got a dog. When I asked her what kind, she said "I dunno. A stupid mutt or something." She then proceeds to tell me that the just tie it up in the back of her apartment and sometimes forget to feed her or give her water.

I don't know about y'all, but I lived in Texas and it is HOT. That was Dallas. She is deep in South Texas where it is hotter. But day after day, that poor dog is left outside, tied up.

Whats worse is that her low-life bf is the type to kick animals around, from what I heard. I am thinking about calling animal services on them, so long as the dog isn't put down. My only concern is that they will inform her of who called in the complaint. :confused:

I think I may tell her to bring the dog to us whenever she is in Cali next. Poor thing.

[Boopy]

"I'm sorry I lost patience for this dog. I never even chose him to come into my life in the first place. My boyfriend brought him home one day, the aggression sparked up, we should have sent him immediately back to the shelter...but we agreed that we could do this. When a dog reverts to worse than it was the day it was brought home...it's really very hard to look on the bright side."

I think this says it all right here. This poor dog never really even had a chance with them I don't think. :(

[Mandos*Bella]

Amen, Boopy. And THAT is why I am "passing judgement." ;)

[kam]

Whats worse is that her low-life bf is the type to kick animals around, from what I heard. I am thinking about calling animal services on them, so long as the dog isn't put down. My only concern is that they will inform her of who called in the complaint.

They won't. I've made complaints before and they do not disclose this information, at least where I live.

[Mandos*Bella]

Thanks, Kam. I'd hate for something bad to happen to that poor little doggy.

[kam]

I hate to be the dissenting opinion, but dogs that bite are often trouble. Sure, sometimes they're justified, but sometimes it signals a BIG problem in temperament. If a dog bites once, it is more likely to bite again because it found that biting works to solve it's problems.

Well of course it does - especially when it's owners refuse or "don't believe" in any type of behavior modification which could potentially fix the problem. How do you "not believe" in something that exists? You may not agree with it, but if your dog has bit people 4 times and you haven't listened to any of the experts, perhaps believing that everyone is wrong except for you isn't the way to go.

[Mandos*Bella]

A comment from another poster on LJ:

"So, what was it? Six hours from "he has two days to find a new home or he goes to the Humane Society" to "we killed him because he was inconvenient"?

Did you ever call Russell Rescue? Did you give him a chance of any kind?

Please don't ever get another dog. It would also be better if you never have children."

Totally reiterates my point, and so many of yours on here. Well said, LJ poster.

[Mandos*Bella]

Here's what else she's wrote about him prior:



Seriously. I need help, people! I'll think I have Douglas under control. But, he'll find the simplest things. Like today, he got under the coffee table when I was watching a movie. He was there for maybe two minutes. I was watching a movie. I'm a nursing assistant and once I get on my ass, I want to sit on it for awhile.

"Leader of the Pack" flashed into my mind. I knew at once to get his ass out from under that f***ing table. But, I didn't. I thought it wouldn't matter if it was just a minute. It did. I pulled him out from under the table and started to work on stay with him. He kept rushing under the table. When I pulled him out, I have learned to keep a leash on him allllllll the time, he would snarl!

My heart starts to pound and I just want to hurt this dog. But, you know, I could never hurt an animal. Plus, it would never do any good. This dog is driving me ****ing nuts. Seriously. I work on my feet all day. I come home to relax, but I can't. Anything at all that this dog thinks he is allowed to do, he takes it and runs with it. Anything. Like today, my mother thought it would be all right to let him out of his kennel. I thought it would be too, because he has gotten better. Douglas ran straight up into the bedroom and under the parent's bed. BIG no no. Just huge! I couldn't believe it. After alll this work!!! The second he gets a chance, he goes back to trying as hard as possible to be alpha.


And I found his picture on her site:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v170/juicy_peach/gentle.jpg

:(

[camberne]

Awwww, what a cutie he was!! Poor fella!!

[Boopy]

Damn, why did you post that picture? :( :( :( The more I read the more angry I get. :mad: It's such an awful shame that they had the right to decide to kill their dog and nothing can be done about it.

[Mandos*Bella]

Sorry Boppy, but I thought we could see what a nice dog he looked to be :(

Poor baby. I am sure she could've found someone to take him.

[Tonysweetie]

He ran under to bed...ohhh no he didn't...OMG get over it lady! :rolleyes: Look at him, he looks so cute and sweet, I say she is a big fat WITCH! :(

[Mandos*Bella]

I know. Heaven forbid him to run under the freaking bed. At least he wasn't out mauling her other dogs.

[Boopy]

Sorry Boppy, but I thought we could see what a nice dog he looked to be :(

Oh, I know. It's just makes it even more sad to put a face to the story. :(

[Mandos*Bella]

Oh, I know. It's just makes it even more sad to put a face to the story. :(

I agree. What's even more sad is that this happens quite often. I don't think vets should euthanize so easily. I wouldn't if I was one!

But, it did sound like this girl over-dramatized everything, meaning she probably went in to the vet's office saying how he almost tore off her face. Who knows.

[claribella]

I just posted this there...

Hmm...my kid just isn't listening to me...he hits me, I tell him "no" he doesn't listen.

I think I'm going to get rid of the problem and "put him down"

Of course, the above written is not true. I love my CHILD and dogs, cats, animals have feelings and emotions too.

For you to NOT try all the options and work to get this dog helped was wrong. It was YOUR fault and killing this dog was wrong.

You make me sick.


Now, maybe I shouldn't have compared an animal to a child, but in some families animals ARE like their children..I see nothing wrong with the comparision.

This woman murdered her cute little terrier and didn't try to get the problem fixed. Sounds to me like she was just fed up and gave up and the only solution for her was killing the dog.

Stupid Bitch.

[Mandos*Bella]

I agree. She hated him, and everything about him. He could have been abused as a pup or something, but she didn't want to put the effort in to work with him, even though she claimed she did.

What a crime.

[Esq.]

Ok, I have had dogs my entire life. I grew up with a doberman. When he had to be put down, at 15 years old and seriously in pain, my mom got a pit bull. He only lived 6 years, and after having multiple grand mal seizures, the vet said that there was nothing that could be done, and he had to be put down too. My mom now has a Mastiff. I have a lab and a terrier at home with me. I have also had a beagle and a mutt in my life.

Obviously, I have had some stereotypically "agressive" dogs in my life. NEVER would I have put one down for biting without exhausting every last damned option. ALL of them. I don't care if my heart broke bc my pup had to be in a muzzle all day...it is better than death, and could possibly help to treat the problem.

Oh, and WTF is her problem with the dog getting under the coffee table and the bed? Am I a bad dog mom bc I let my dog get under our bed? Dogs go to places like that bc they have a need to feel safe at that moment. My mutt hid behind the couch all the time. She loved it back there. She wasn't hurting anything. Why did she have a problem with the JRT doing that?

She sucks. I would like to euthanize her.

[Mandos*Bella]

Yup, me too. Poor little guy was probably hiding from her ass. I can just picture him going under the table or bed. And she calls that "alpha" behavior? :mad:

[claribella]

She sucks. I would like to euthanize her.

Yeah, you and me both...damnit this SH*T really pissed me off!

[Vegastrtle]

Claribella, I love your post to her. I try not to read posts that make me sad...but I couldn't stay away. She is evil.

[claribella]

Claribella, I love your post to her. I try not to read posts that make me sad...but I couldn't stay away. She is evil.

Thanks Vegastrtle...I normally do stay away from posts such as hers...but what she did was wrong and in MY opinion, not that far from murder. Especially after seeing the picture of the pup. And i know some will argue that comparing a pup to a child is far off...but honestly, it is NOT that far off. I certainly can't say "oh my kid isn't listening, time to put him down and start with another one.." Pish..that is just stupid..but that is what this lady did...sickening...

damn...I'm getting pissed all over again...

[Vegastrtle]

I'm one of those that treats her dog like a kid so get exactly what you are saying. I've posted about my dog's issues before...and it's something we're working on with her. Giving her up is not an option....not to mention putting her down!

Grrr...bad woman!

[la_bride_2004]

And i know some will argue that comparing a pup to a child is far off...but honestly, it is NOT that far off.

Our two toy fox terriers are definitely our children.

It's horrible that she put that cute dog down instead of calling JRT rescue. However, you have to wonder, what kind of life would that dog have had with that woman? Obviously sitting on the couch was preferrable to the owner rather than taking care of the dog's need for exercise. What else wasn't she doing? I'm betting the dog was kenneled far too much, and had crazy pent-up energy when he did manage to get out. Sad, sad.

[Mandos*Bella]

I know-I had no intention of reading sad posts and what not, I thought the post was about her JRT acting up, thats how it started out. I was going to give some advice when she dropped the bomb on all the posters, within a few hours of posting.

What got me was that she acted concerned about the Humane Society putting him down, but a few hours later they drove him to his death.

I saw pictures of her and her bf on her site-she seems like the type to do anything for him-ANYTHING. You know the type. Oops, there I go judging again :rolleyes:

I highly doubt she contacted any JRT group, and if she did, they would not have advised her to put him down.

Bitch.:mad:

[claribella]

Bitch.:mad:

Yup...damnit...there I go getting pissed off again!

[katmg]

I don't understand...my understanding of aggressive/dominant "alpha" behavior does not include a dog cowering under a table or bed. That screams SUBMISSIVE to me. I do know that submissive dogs can be dogs that will bite - if they are treated too harshly. This dog was trying to hide from something and dragging it out (probably screaming at it the whole time) would make the poor thing feel threatened. No wonder it bit someone. :rolleyes:

What a terrible, terrible woman.

[sandt8704]

No wonder the poor little dog bit. She is a crazy *itch and I'd bite her too.

[cubbear]

i haven't read everything - but this lady is cruel! i mean dogs can sense trouble and obviously i think she was. if she was inviting then i dont think this dog would be hiding. *um* hello, why do you hide witch! im just very angry that some vets will just euthanize a dog for money. i wish there was a law stating that all animals if they are not suffering - the vet should take it in to find it a home. and i agree that puppies are just like children.

[Mandos*Bella]

She had options-she could have taken him back to the shelter home she got him from. She just absolutely could not stand this dog.

She said so herself, that she felt like "hurting him." What an anal witch. She got so angry because the little guy was under the table. Sounds like this girl has anger issues, too bad an innocent dog had to be subject to them.

Psycho chick. :mad:

[springprincess]

Wow, I'm so sickened by that. There are so many options that do NOT include putting a perfectly healthy dog to sleep. Wow. I just...can't believe that.

[kam]

One day, I'd like to see a law where a vet can seize an animal if the owner wants to put it down for absolutely no medical reason. I know it's a slippery slope, but I don't know how any vet could put a dog down in this way.

[claribella]

One day, I'd like to see a law where a vet can seize an animal if the owner wants to put it down for absolutely no medical reason. I know it's a slippery slope, but I don't know how any vet could put a dog down in this way.

You know, that very same question was running through my mind. How could a vet put a dog down for no medical reason? doesn't seem right.

[Witty Username]

She had options-she could have taken him back to the shelter home she got him from. She just absolutely could not stand this dog.

She said so herself, that she felt like "hurting him." What an anal witch. She got so angry because the little guy was under the table. Sounds like this girl has anger issues, too bad an innocent dog had to be subject to them.

Psycho chick. :mad:

That poor dog. :(

The whole under the table and under the bed thing is beyond ridiculous. I can't even figure out why that's bad.

She says she's a nurse I hope she's nicer to her patients.

[Chimichanga]

I am so disgusted by this chick. Seriously - you put him down because he bit you (I'm imagining he nipped slightly). My lab has punctured my skin because he thought I was playing when i wasn't. Some people!

I've had to put down several dogs due to old age. One wasn't even mine; it was MIL's and she couldn't do it by herself. I cried so hard you would have thought it was my dog.

And to do this to a perfectly healthy dog?!?! :mad: Post that bitch's picture - so we know who to throw things at!

[andrew&shannah]

I am even more confused by the whole situation after reading more. I agree with the above poster who mentioned that the hiding under the table, etc sounded like very submissive behavior. That just reinforces to me that she must have been doing something to that poor dog to make him bite her!
Then, I saw this in her journal:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v170/juicy_peach/cuddddles.jpg

I'm sorry but that just doesn't look like a guy who would be ready and willing to just let a dog go...especially without trying to find a new home or something. My guess...she totally exaggerated the story to him and then went and had him put down before the guy got home...just guessing of course but that picture just doesn't fit with the image she portrayed.

<side note: I know that isn't the same dog but i think it still shows how he is with his pets>

[Esq.]

I think that she likely fed the vet the same line of bullshit, in order to justify putting the dog down.

[MLA]

This woman is an evil bitch. She obviously hated this dog.

I don't understand...my understanding of aggressive/dominant "alpha" behavior does not include a dog cowering under a table or bed. That screams SUBMISSIVE to me. I do know that submissive dogs can be dogs that will bite - if they are treated too harshly. This dog was trying to hide from something and dragging it out (probably screaming at it the whole time) would make the poor thing feel threatened. No wonder it bit someone. :rolleyes:

What a terrible, terrible woman.
ITA w/ the above. That's exactly what I thought when I read her post about him hiding under the bed. Poor pup-pup. It just makes me sooo sad. :(


ETA, the boyfriend is also a major asshole, if you ask me.

[claribella]

Hmm after deeper reading into her journal...I'm wondering if she was just feeding that Terrier community a bunch of lies to get them riled up?

I'm probably wrong but something just doesn't seem right with her.

But if she is telling the truth...then this, from her journal:

"Oh well, at least I have proof against my mom and coworkers that I'm not pregnant. That's a relief."

Well that is a relief to all of us cuz, honestly, what kinda mother would she BE?

ugh!

[andrew&shannah]

Hmm after deeper reading into her journal...I'm wondering if she was just feeding that Terrier community a bunch of lies to get them riled up?


I am sort of inclined to agree as she never even mentioned Douglas the dog in her journal that I saw...just three others:

[mrs_pell]

Yikes! I just read the post and :eek: !! What a witch! I do *NOT* understand why people say they've "tried everything" when they don't even try to find another home before putting the dog to sleep?!

Her latest post in her personal journal is about one of her patients dying and how horrible it was. Wonder if she thought about how horrible death is when she did it to her own dog??

She says she's a nurse I hope she's nicer to her patients.
If she said that anywhere, she's lying [again]. On her user page, she says she's a CNA...nursing aide, who graduated with a psychology degree. Lot of good that degree has done her. :rolleyes:

I also wonder if she was just posting that to get them all riled up in that community. I didn't see anything in her personal journal about putting the dog to sleep, and I would think that it would be something that one would put in their own journal as well. Also, who goes into a community full of people that obviously love dogs and post that??? Hopefully she's just an evil person, but that she really didn't do that.

[claribella]

I also wonder if she was just posting that to get them all riled up in that community. I didn't see anything in her personal journal about putting the dog to sleep, and I would think that it would be something that one would put in their own journal as well. Also, who goes into a community full of people that obviously love dogs and post that??? Hopefully she's just an evil person, but that she really didn't do that.


Yeah, I had posted that and was wondering that too. If so, honestly that just makes it worse cuz that is wrong on a WHOLE other level.

This woman is just plain wrong.

[Mandos*Bella]

If you read in one of the poster's comments in reply to her putting the dog down, they re-post times when she has talked about Douglas in the past. She purely hated him.

I think the reason she didn't mention anything in her journal is because she could care less-she is a selfish bitch who is in need of anger management therapy, as she plainly exhibits in her posts re: Douglas. :mad:

I only wish this was a story. I would go get Douglas in a minute! :o

[louie]

Wow.
I am a nurse and have a Rat Terrier who is 4 months old.
And there are days when you just don't get to sit on your ass at home when you have a dog that is high energy!
The first 3 weeks we had her were tough, and I had wondered what I got myself into, but then I fell in love.
My pup drives me crazy with her energy and naughtiness, but that is how these dogs are!

Sounds like this girl, and that is what I assume she is,and a bit off her rocker, did not really like this dog. So sad that she did not give it more of a chance or try to find a place for the dog.

[ysolde]

This chick is out of her mind! She has serious anger management issues, and took them out on the poor dog! There is nothing "alpha" about hiding under a table or a bed, nor is there anything wrong with that. I grew up with small dogs (toy poodles and Shih-Tzus), and they liked to burrow around, and find small corners and sunny patches in which to lie (Spunky had a spot right next to the piano, by the window, Rose had her spot by the loveseat in the living room, and Baby liked to sit under the coffee table in the living room). That is, when they were not sitting on someone's lap, licking our faces, or curled up on a lap for a comfy nap.

Biting is a serious behavioral problem, but it sounds like she and her bf did nothing to alleviate or ameliorate the situation.

At the end of the day, I am exhausted, too, but never too tired to play with my furbabies (who are cats), who depend on me for all things, and need my love the way they need food and water.

[Golightly]

Sounds to me like this woman was being purely "alpha" herself and not the dog. She was trying to establish dominance over the dog, over her bf...

...And even the LJ community on a certain level because she just went and put the dog down without really acknowledging any of the concerned posters.

She obviously has some control and agression issues herself (is sounds like the dog was terrified) and she dominated the entire situation (relationship, dog, and LJ) by getting the last word in and abruptly killing the dog.

If I knew this woman, I'd probably be scared enough to hide under the coffee table and bed myself.