Veronica Mars, anyone?

[Heather719]

I'll echo Heather here and say "Please let there be a season 3!"

After just reading the interview with Rob that you just posted, Tara, I *REALLY* hope Season 3 happens!!

[kedzieb]

Wow - loved this episode. My husband was practicing for a show so I had to give him a recap when he came home. He's very sad he missed it - hopefully it will be on Sunday again.

The dream sequence was very interesting. Lily talking about 'experimenting' cracked me up.

Lamb - pissed me off arresting Weevil at graduation, but his ego saved Keith's life and is still really hot. It's a love/hate toss-up.

Beaver - I'd suspected he was the killer early in the season when he was working with Kendell. and once I figured out he was molested by Woody, it made it seem more likely. But I was shocked about the VM rape - that was somehow more shocking than the rest. When he jumped off the building, I still couldn't help but feel a little sad - such a disturbed character.

Aaron - got what was coming to him and hopefully will clear the way for...

VM/Logan - love. I was hoping Aaron would get his so they wouldn't spend Season 3 dodging his bullets (literal or otherwise).

The briefcase - I'm assuming it contains something Kendell got from the lawyer after Beaver's death. Not cash. But what????

Jackie - nice way to get rid of her.

Season 3 - I'm more and more convinced it will happen.

[kcjaime]

He's very sad he missed it - hopefully it will be on Sunday again.
They replay it here in the DC area on Saturday nights at 6pm, so it should be on sometime! :)

[kcjaime]

Great news! Per Michael Ausiello on tvguide.com:

Straight from the horse's mouth, Rob Thomas just e-mailed me to confirm that Veronica Mars has been renewed for a third season. The show got a 22-episode order that, depending on ratings, can be reduced to 13.

Let's hope for a full 22! :D

[CTs_Punkin]

I heard this too... I'm so freaking happy right now!! YEAH!!! LoVe is BACK!!!:D :D :D

[kedzieb]

Great news! Per Michael Ausiello on tvguide.com:

Let's hope for a full 22! :D

Hooray! Fabulous news. Hoping they give it a nice timeslot and give it a chance.

[ignutzz]

I'm thrilled that VM is getting picked up on the new station!

Quirky tie-in that I noticed during last nights repeat (I think it was the season opener):

In the episode that was on last night, Logan is draped over Veronica's lap while she tends to his wounds. This is a direct parallel to Logan having Veronica over his lap after rescuing her from Cassidy in the season finale. Both scenes are shot from the exact same angle, with the same color saturation treatment on the film.

[Wrighty26]

Just came in to celebrate since I read the news this morning!! I cannot wait for next season :) Woo-hoo!!!

Also- Watch With Kristin has a good interview with Kristin Bell on her Message Boards (under "Announcements") @ eoline...

I'm going to guess it's being paired with Gilmore Girls on Tuesday night... guess we'll find out tomorrow!

[cocoa_femme]

In the episode that was on last night, Logan is draped over Veronica's lap while she tends to his wounds. This is a direct parallel to Logan having Veronica over his lap after rescuing her from Cassidy in the season finale. Both scenes are shot from the exact same angle, with the same color saturation treatment on the film.
You know what, I mentioned to DH that the sceen in the season-ender looked/felt familiar somehow. He thought I was just crazy :rolleyes:. Good to know I was right

[taragiraffe]

You know what, I mentioned to DH that the seen in the season-ender looked/felt familiar somehow. He thought I was just crazy :rolleyes:. Good to know I was right
You're certainly not crazy. Enough people on LJ have mentioned it over the last week for me to want to scream, LOL.

[ignutzz]

taragiraffe thankfully, I'm not that obsessed with any of my shows and it was just happenstance that I noticed the similarities. :D

[taragiraffe]

ignutzz-Oh, I'm certainly pretty obsessed with this show but when I see how some of the other fans analyze everystinkingteenytinydetail, I feel a little more sane. ;)

[kcjaime]

I just read an article that says Veronica Mars is going to be on Tuesday nights, following Gilmore Girls. What a perfect pairing! :)

[cocoa_femme]

You're certainly not crazy. Enough people on LJ have mentioned it over the last week for me to want to scream, LOL.
LOL! What's the VM community name over there?

[taragiraffe]

Here's the link: http://community.livejournal.com/veronica_mars/

Oh, and I totally just got my SIL addicted to this show tonight, LOL. I had my DVDs in when she came over for dinner and she's hooked after two episodes. :)

[Heather719]

Hi ladies! TVGuide.com has an interview with Kristin Bell today (http://www.tvguide.com/News/Insider/default.htm?cmsGuid={C4E047CD-6CED-4045-99C5-7A3A5296BE18}). Warnings- there are slight spoilers for Season 3.

Talk to you in the fall!

[Heather719]

From TVGuide.com (http://community.tvguide.com/forum.jspa?forumID=700000044):

According to Variety, the new CW network will premiere several of its series early, via commercial-free streaming on MSN. Among the shows getting advanced bows are Runaway (available Sept. 18), Everybody Hates Chris (Sept. 24) and Veronica Mars (Sept. 26).

[Brandles]

I just read an article that says Veronica Mars is going to be on Tuesday nights, following Gilmore Girls. What a perfect pairing! :)

I'm just glad it's not on Wednesday nights--up against "Lost"!! :eek: Not to mention "Mythbusters" and "Ghost Hunters"!!! Those nights when they were all new, I had the TiVo going, VCR #1 going and VCR #2 in the other room going! :eek:

[taragiraffe]

If anyone's interested in the MSN screening, it's up now. :D

[Heather719]

Here is the link at MSN: http://tv.msn.com/tv/tvbuzz

But I'm holding off till it airs on 10/3! I want to see it on TV for the full effect.

[KaliLily]

DH and I just started watching Veronica Mars, in fact we completed Season 1 this afternoon. We're really tempted to go get Season 2, but don't really have the extra $$ for it right now - we got Season 1 on sale at Target for only $18.99 a few weeks ago. I'd like to start watching the show this Tuesday, but don't want to "spoil" season 2. If we watch Season 3 as it airs, will it "ruin" the fun/suspense of season 2 for us?

I must admit, we enjoyed season 1 so much I'm really tempted to just go buy season 2 (despite the $45 cost) and tape this season's episodes until we've finished watching season 2. That should only take a couple weekends. :o This is a really good show!

[Wrighty26]

KaliLily - You could always rent season 2! You could probably watch season 3 without seeing season 2--because she's off to college and they are taking a totally new approach with the show this season (instead of 1 big mystery, there's going to be 3), BUT I'm sure that there will still be references you don't understand. You could also read recaps of the show at Television Without Pity (http://televisionwithoutpity.com/).

I agree - it's a REALLY good show...:)

Heather719 - I'm holding off until 10/03 too. It's really hard though!

[KaliLily]

My plan was to rent it, but DH didn't want to do that since we plan to buy it at some point. (Takes the "fun" out of watching your new purchase if you've already watched them, I guess. :rolleyes: )

We talked it over some more and decided to go buy Season 2 tomorrow. We figure in the grand scheme of things $45 isn't that much, and we're frugal overall so one little splurge is ok. :) DH is cracking up over this because I'm all excited about it and it was "his" show. It's been a long time since we really enjoyed a show together, so I'm going to splurge to keep the fun going. :D

[ignutzz]

You can buy it cheaper (and with free shipping) from Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000FL7CAK/ref=nosim/luby-20

You might also consider some of the used items which are even cheaper.

Watching S2 first is def. a good idea. while I don't think S3 would have spoilers necessarily, you certainly won't fully understand the nuances of the character relationships and why things are they way they are. Have fun with the marathon view, that's how I got into it after season 1. :D

[KaliLily]

The Amazon price was only a few dollars less than Target's in-store price, so we just picked it up at Target this afternoon. We've already watched the first 8 episodes. I don't remember when DH and I last had this much fun on a weekend spent at home. :) I suspect we'll have season 2 finished next weekend. We are excellent TV show marathoners.

[Wrighty26]

We are excellent TV show marathoners.


I imagine it's also pretty hard to stop watching the episodes once you start!

[KaliLily]

I imagine it's also pretty hard to stop watching the episodes once you start!

It is so very hard! :D

[CTs_Punkin]

36 HOURS & COUNTING


Who's excited for VM's season to finally be here??

I realize many people have already watched the MSN viewing of the first episode, but I can't wait to see it on my big TV - instead of the little MSN viewer.

So Yeah - 36 hours & counting!!!

[Heather719]

Tonight is the night!! :D

[ee_chick]

Yay! Veronica Mars is my favorite show, and I'm so happy it's back. :)

[tunibell]

Okay, just because they put the T.A. character in glasses and shaggy hair doesn't mean we all don't know it's the same dude who played Lucky last season. What, was central casting closed or something?

[Belm]

I was wondering the same thing, tunibell.

Anyone else think that they are setting the stage for a possible Logan and V break up?

[Heather719]

:D She's back!! :D

Here are my thoughts on last night's episode. Spoilers for all who didn't see it!

All in all, I really liked the episode. Some things were a little off (some of the chemisty between characters was wonky), but I think it'll get there again. I remember feeling the same way with last season's first episode. Anyhow- here are my jumble of thoughts:


Didn't love the new, slower theme song, But I loved the new images shown during the credits.
Glad to see lots of familiar faces. So happy Mac will be around more. And we even got to see Vinnie ("wonder twins activate!" hehehe)
I never thought it possible, but I did feel bad for Dick last night. I hope he pulls his shi*t together soon and isn't too much of a bad influence on Logan.
Veronica and Keith are just as cute as can be together- glad they explained the whole NYC thing.
Really liked both Piz and Parker. Piz is funny and goofy and endearing and Parker just cracked me up! The scene outside the club where V was being all scarastic about being ready to rock and Parker being so oblivious had me laughing.
I get why V is taking criminology courses, but I have a feeling she's going to be bored.
So Logan is going to Hearst, but not going to classes. Can't say that I'm surprised!
So glad V and L are still together. The scene where he gave her his room key was very sweet! And the whole hot-sweaty-just-finished-doing-the-deed scene was awesome. Color me jealous! :)
The mystery of the week was nice and fluffy and did a good job laying the ground work for all the new faces.
So...Kendall is dead. Bums me out b/c I really enjoyed her character! I have a feeling the fact that Vinnie was tracking Keith is going to be the only thing that saves Keith's butt.
As a huge Battlestar Galactica fan, the fact that the word Frak was used tickles me to no end!!


I can't wait to see where this seaon takes us!

[jh124]

Frak! So DH walks in from the pharmacy just as VM was starting. I missed the first bit and the new theme song. I heard enought to know it was the old one, just slower, but I missed the rockin' theme music. DS and I used to dance around to that.

Not crazy about Piz, but maybe he will grow on me. Oh Logan, how I love thee. I'm sure the writers are setting L and V for a break up, but I love the two of them together.

Did they ever explain her not going to Stanford, or is it just understood? She didn't get the Kane scholarship so she didn't go.

ETA: What did Keith say about Vinnie? "I hope you're not working for..." was that it?

[kedzieb]

I liked the show last night. Sadly I missed the first 15 minutes (damn work party!) so I am a bit confused about the Keith plotline. Can't wait until TWOP updates.

Liked the college transition - they had to show us a bunch of new characters and so far so good. Wallace's roomate is a bit of a hottie. Glad Dick's antics don't cut it out of high school. Hoping Kendell isn't actually dead - love her. Hoping for more Logan sex plotlines (he seems quite um, skilled? for an 18 year old boy), VM/Mac antics, Wallace getting some more face time, Vinny saving Keith's day.

[apoppy]

Did they ever explain her not going to Stanford, or is it just understood? She didn't get the Kane scholarship so she didn't go.

I wondered the same thing... I wish they would explain this.

I don't know. I think the chemistry is great between Veronica & Logan, but he is still a bad, bad boy. If she were my RL friend, I would disapprove! :p

I'm interested to see where they go with the whole rape/head shaving storyline.

[KaliLily]

We're all caught up! We watched 12 episodes of season 2 yesterday :eek: and finished the last 2 episodes this morning (we'd watched the 1st 8 last Sunday). Then we watched Tuesday's episode, so I can finally come here and read everyone's comments. It was torture staying away! ;)

ETA: DH was really sad that Kendall was killed, but I don't think she's really dead. All we saw was Dick shooting into the next room. It could be part of a master plan of his and Kendall's to get away with their tracks completely covered.

[Wrighty26]

Thoughts on last night's episode:

I am REALLLLY liking her in college. I feel like the "weekly mysteries" are more believable now.

Loved that the professor of the week is the dude that does Homer Simpson's voice-- and that someone did a "Doh" when the "prison guards" got the information from the prisoners. Though, I'm a little confused at why this was such a big part of the plot. Exposition?

I'm glad we found out what was in the suitcase. It makes me wonder how Kendall got it and why it's so important. Or maybe that was covered and I wasn't paying close enough attention?

[kedzieb]

Thoughts on last night's episode:

I am REALLLLY liking her in college. I feel like the "weekly mysteries" are more believable now.

Loved that the professor of the week is the dude that does Homer Simpson's voice-- and that someone did a "Doh" when the "prison guards" got the information from the prisoners. Though, I'm a little confused at why this was such a big part of the plot. Exposition?

I'm glad we found out what was in the suitcase. It makes me wonder how Kendall got it and why it's so important. Or maybe that was covered and I wasn't paying close enough attention?


I liked last night's episode too. The college lifestyle seems more condusive to mysteries - lots more new peoople for one thing. I think the guard/prisoner thing was really interesting and timely. The asshole guard from Boy Meets World made my skin crawl. I kept thinking he'd be a plant from the teacher or something. Poor Horshack! I liked him on Freaks & Geeks. Old TV kids have found a new home on VM.

I think the painting was important only because Kendall was smart enough to figure on Fitzpatrick double crossing her. So she bought it with the money they were supposed to share and put it on the wall before he came in and killed her. If he actually killed her.

[scarlett]

I feel like I missed something in the last episode (and of course, as I was hitting the erase button on my DVR, I was thinking I shouldn't erase this yet :rolleyes: ). Why didn't Keith drive away from the cabin? Did something happen to the car after they got to the cabin?

I hope Parker gets a different wig. That one with the bangs was horrid.

[kam]

I just wish they set the college somewhere other than Neptune. First, Neptune is supposed to be a very strict classist society. Second, in the first two seasons, it seemed everyone knew everyone in that town. They would have recognized Veronica's name in the classes, no?

But I do love the college setting. It's a great way to keep the cast together if it's at a local state college since a lot of the students would naturally go there.

[Heather719]

Really liked last night's episode so much better then the first one.

Random thoughts:
- Parker looks better bald then in a wig. I hope she stays.
- Wallace kicks butt. His trickery and cleverness ultimately won out over the other dude's yelling and insults.
- Keith is a smart man.
- Is Kendell dead? Who cleaned up the house? Liam? Cormac?
- How in the hell did Kendall get her hands on that painting?
- Logan can streak thru my college campus anytime. ;)
- I love the mysteries of the week that prove that Veronica isn't God- that sometimes she reacts too quickly and, as a result, hurts herself and others.
- That sorority is my worst night mare come to life ("What's really worse, getting girls to undress in front of a two-way mirror or getting them to dress like a '50s vacuum ad first?"). And the singing- dear god, the singing!
- Glad to see Dick's softer side from last week's show wasn't around to stay.
- Lamb royally pissed me off last night. His behavior and comments towards Veronica were cruel and completely uncalled for.

[CTs_Punkin]

My opinions from last night -

I think that Kendall bought the painting w/ her Phoenix Land Trust check so that it wouldn't be quite so "liquid" in case she was double crossed.

This is why Cormack & Liam couldn't find the money. Because they wouldn't know the value of that painting in the house, they couldn't get the money.

Kendall was smarter than she appeared to be.

I loved both Logan's brains in tricking Horseshack with the wrong info and in breaking out of the experiment. I loved wallace faking being asleep so that the prisoners could escape, and then switching the clock... great switcharoo!

Loved that Homer Simpson was their teacher - "DOH"

I think that Keith maybe didn't have the keys to the car, as he ran out to get something out of the car, and maybe left them in the house? Just a thought. Although it's too bad he didn't know how to hotwire it!

I loved that Keith set Cormack up w/ the animal trap & vinnie's pen. Sucks that Liam shot him, but way to go keith to get them both off your tail!

What is up with Lamb and rape? Was he falsely accused or something in a previous life, because, man is he a dick or what?

Loved Dick at the sorority party! and that he didn't blow her cover.

Streaking Logan - CLASSIC!

Loved the "star crossed lover" line after the prisoners broke out.

I felt bad for V this week... just wasn't her week I guess... I liked that she's not always right. Although, I'm bummed she's working in the library now and not working for the paper.

I concur that Parker needs a new wig... Maybe V & her will make up next week when V takes Parker to the Wig shop from Rapes of Graff.

[tunibell]

Okay, I'm all for suspending disbelief and all, but a cancer patient needing her own personal pot farm? Um, because pot is so hard to come by on a (California) college campus? And that security system protecting her crop...how much does a sorority den mother make these days and where can I apply?? :p

[Heather719]

Morning Ladies! Another stellar episode! :) You know the drill- don't read my comments if you don't want to be spoiled on last night's episode!!





- Hmm..Logan and Veronica were just off this week. I know they were supposed to be per the storyline, but even their makeout scenes and banter lacked it's normal spark.
- Looks like Mac and Parker are fast becoming friends- think Veronica is jealous?
- I love how the writers of the show are showing that all relationships (friendships, loves, etc) change when you go to college. They don't have to fall apart, but they do have to adapt.
- Weevil is back!!! Glad to see he survived is stint in the joint and honestly, I don't blame him for wanting to tear the car wash boss apart. That guy was a jerk.
- Very sweet that Veronica tried so hard to get Weevil a job- I really wish working for Keith would have worked out. I would have LOVED to see that one play out more.
- Favorite lines for tonight's show from Keith and Veronica:
"All those times I arrested him, he never struck me as great secretary material. Didn't he get arrested for murder?"
"Assault."
"See, he's not even a very good murderer."
- I even enjoyed seeing a cameo by D!ck! Cute little back and forth and poof- D!ck is gone.
- Piz was a cutie last night too with his enthusiasm over his radio show. Love how he know got sucked into the rape story line.
- the Mystery of the Week with the jock and his girlfriend was entertaining and I'm very glad Veronica learned from Trish's mistakes.

Cannot wait to see how dinner between Keith and Logan go next week!!!

[Wrighty26]

I thought this episode kinda lacked in plot - but I still love all of the interactions and characters, so I am willing to forgive and forget :) As long as next week's episode is good (and it looks like it will be!).

Did anyone think that Weevil looked like he'd eaten a few too many cheeseburgers over the summer? I still love him (and thought his stint at trying to work for Keith was cute), but he just looks different! I almost didn't recognize him at first. I was wondering how he was going to fit into Veronica's new college life :)

I thought that the Veronica/Logan stuff was pretty realistic. They definitely both have trust issues! It was nice to see Veronica's vunerable and girly side. Sometimes she's just so "tough" :D

[Heather719]

Did anyone think that Weevil looked like he'd eaten a few too many cheeseburgers over the summer?

LOL..yes! He looked some much puffier then ever before!

[ignutzz]

Did anyone think that Weevil looked like he'd eaten a few too many cheeseburgers over the summer?
Yes! I was surprised at how chubby he was and it completely changed his looks.

Speaking of looks, Jason Dohring has really bulked up!

I thought that the Veronica/Logan stuff was pretty realistic. They definitely both have trust issues! It was nice to see Veronica's vunerable and girly side. Sometimes she's just so "tough" :D

At first I was angry with Logan but then the crazier she got about tracking him down, the more I understood why he was lashing out. I really liked that they worked it out rather than just pouting and running away from each other.

[scarlett]

Did anyone think that Weevil looked like he'd eaten a few too many cheeseburgers over the summer? I was wondering how Weevil could gain so much weight in jail. They must have some good prison food. :)

I liked the idea of Weevil working for Keith, but it'll much better for V to have him working as the maintence guy at college. Access to the Dean's office and all that ;)

[Belm]

I'm glad I'm not the only who noticed a change in Weevil's apperance. I would have loved to see him stick around more with Keith.

[taragiraffe]

Did anyone think that Weevil looked like he'd eaten a few too many cheeseburgers over the summer?

Word is that Frances Capra has gained weight due to medication that he's on.

[scarlett]

Word is that Frances Capra has gained weight due to medication that he's on. For some reason, that's what I thought it might be. I've known a few people who have gained weight due to medical reasons, and they have the same look about them. I hope he's okay.

[taragiraffe]

I can't remember what it was...I read it somewhere on LJ and now, of course, I can't find it. :rolleyes:

[Wrighty26]

Well now I just feel bad :(

[cocoa_femme]

Word is that Frances Capra has gained weight due to medication that he's on.
Must be some sort of steroid.

[Heather719]

Do we know what's wrong with him?

[taragiraffe]

Do we know what's wrong with him?

I want to think that he was taking steroids for athsma or something like that. I'll have to see if I can find that link.

[Heather719]

Morning Ladies! What did you think of last night's episode? While it pains me to say this, I wasn't digging most of the show last night. :( As always, my thoughts include lots of spoilers..so beware!!



Ok..I'm going to start with the things that bothered me so I can end on a good note.

- How did the reporter find out about Logan's brother before Logan did?
- Speaking of Logan- I miss spunky Logan. We saw glimpses of him last night, but for the most part, all we're seeing is Emo Logan and he bores me.
- If Veronica has a picture of Claire at the ATM with a very menacing looking guy behind her, why isn't anyone looking for that guy?!
- I get that the rape victims wanted the Frat boys to be held responsible (and they may still be)- but why are they giving V such a hard time for digging for the real rapist?
- The frat boys just annoy and disgust me, but it also irks me that the writers haven't given them one redeeming factor. It's like they are all the bad frat boys cliches wrapped up into one package.
- Did Parker have two different wigs? Because the one she had on when V told her about her rape seemed different then the rest.

On to the good stuff!

- The dinner scene with V, Logan and Keith was fun! I can see why V was nervous, but Logan seemed like he was on his best behavior!
- Even though Emo Logan annoys me, I did feel very badly for him when he told V he never had anything like she had with her father. I do hope Logan and his half-brother can connect soon and that Charlie turns out to be a good guy.
- Hmm...interesting story line with Keith and Harmony. Wonder if it's going to go anywhere?
- I have a love/hate relationship with Dick. The boy is rude and crude and doesn't have an ounce of empathy in his body. And he is really clueless. Yet- he makes me laugh. It's a realy serious story line but when he referred to the rapist as the "raper" that did make me giggle. His line about V working her "little pixie spy magic" and his showing up at V's front door and being all awed over the Mar's cute little kitchen made me laugh out loud.
- My favorite scene last night was actually when Veronica was talking to the store clerk- that man had personality to spare!

So- what did you all think?? Any ideas on who the rapist is? I'm completely clueless.

[jh124]

Who would have guess that when opportunity knocked it would come dressed as a horny surfer? :D That line cracked me up last night, still does this morning!

[apoppy]

- How did the reporter find out about Logan's brother before Logan did?

I thought this was a little weird too. I am going to say that since he was an investigative reporter, he was already digging into Aaron Eckels' background when he came across the Aaron's Kids/z thing, and then he just followed the record like Veronica did. Then he tapped Charlie Stone's phone. Which is a lot of supposition on my part...:)

I get that the rape victims wanted the Frat boys to be held responsible (and they may still be)- but why are they giving V such a hard time for digging for the real rapist?

- I think because they (the feminists) have already vilified the Frat boys...the feminists are angry & blaming them for their overall attitude towards women. They have just decided that the Frat boys *must* be guilty. I am not surprised at this attitude, and I actually think it is fairly consistent with RL college group-think. It would be a lot easier for everyone if the rapist was from a group they are already against.

And that makes me wonder about the rapist... Who is this man in the ATM photo? Have we already met the character, or will it be someone that will be introduced in a upcoming episode? I have a feeling that the man in the photo isn’t the rapist.

[Wrighty26]

I thought this was a little weird too. I am going to say that since he was an investigative reporter, he was already digging into Aaron Eckels' background when he came across the Aaron's Kids/z thing, and then he just followed the record like Veronica did. Then he tapped Charlie Stone's phone. Which is a lot of supposition on my part...

This was my line of thinking too...

I really liked last night's episode - I think it was the best this season. DH and I were cracking up at the line: "Why rape the cow when you're swimming in it's milk."

I have no idea who the rapist is. Usually it's a character they've introduced, right? Otherwise we have no real vested interest. At least I don't!

[kam]

I'm really happy with this season because it's going back to it's roots. The dog is back, the smarmy lawyer, the characters we know and love. And I'm really glad to see the end to that love triangle!

[jh124]

Since Claire lied about her boyfriend being in the photo, I wonder if she/he staged her rape? Wasn't she singled out in a photo, like "you're next"? And she staged it to make the frat look guilty?

[apoppy]

At this point, we don't know if that guy actually is her boyfriend. Maybe the mystery guy lied to his roommate.

[ignutzz]

Did anyone else jump out of their skin when the crash happened? I felt like I was watching a volkswagen commercial.

[Heather719]

Hi ladies!

ignutzz- I jumped so high I scared my cat off my lap!

All together a very entertaining episode! Some very random thoughts:


- Loved the Veronica/ Logan chemistry last night! I finally felt like they were back in synch. Too bad the final scene in the show will probably shatter that!
- And- yeah!- more Wallace! Glad to see our boy stepping up to the plate and doing the right thing by buckling down with his class. What is up with his professor, though? Not very encouraging!
- The storyline with Parker and Piz was cute. And who hasn't been in Veronica's shoes. No matter how old we get, playing cupid is awkward as hell sometimes.
- Not sure if I buy the whole Mercer is the rapist line yet, but I am very glad Lamb took Veronica's observations seriously.
- What in the heck did Mercer and Logan do? Logan can be his alibi but can't tell V why? Ummm...no. That doesn't fly. I don't have half the baggage V does and I wouldn't put up with that "I can't tell you" line.
- Ok..I must admit it never ever dawned on me that Claire faked her own rape. What in the heck was the point of that?? All it does is confuse the matters and take precious resources away from finding the real rapist. As much as these women beat their drums saying they want the rapist caught, they aren't doing anything to help that happen.
- While I'm glad V got to the bottom of the whole plagerism thing, I really don't think NotLucky there was really thinking of V's best interests when wising her up to the ways of "Rory Finch." The question is now, how is V going to use this knowledge about the affair??
- Speaking of affairs- Keith and a married lady. Huh. Honestly, I was surprised, I thought Keith had a better moral compass then that. The worst part is, you know this can't end well and I hate to see my favorite TV dad get hurt (again).

As always, can't wait to see what happens next week! :)

[apoppy]

Wait, do we know for sure that Claire faked her rape? It seemed somewhat ambiguous to me. Or maybe I just like conspiracy theories! :D


I want to think that Logan was helping Mercer with a personal problem and that is why he doesn't want to tell Veronica. Maybe something medical... I even looked up GHB to see if it was used for any legitimate medical reason (not really, just for disorders related to narcolepsy, which isn't really the kind of thing one would usually be ashamed of...), but I am obviously over-thinking this!


I am very, very suspicious of the crime professor guy, above and beyond the affair. He seems very sketchy to me.

[Wrighty26]

I just watched this episode and thought it was really good! I am really liking this season. :)

I have no new conclusions or hunches - except that I think Claire DID get raped and that it will definitely be brought back in another episode, as well as the explanation for why she claimed she didn't know her boyfriend.

[CTs_Punkin]

Any VM lovers who want to save the show - here is a link to the petition to try and get the CW to give it a pick up for the whole year.

http://www.petitiononline.com/vm4fulls/petition-sign.html

If you are on any other VM boards, please post to get as much visibility as possible. I got this from LJ already, but if you could post elsewhere, that would be great!!!

PS - how good was last weeks show.... this week looks to be a doozy!! Can't wait to see how this story arc finishes up.

[Wrighty26]

CTs Pumpkin - I didn't think that VM was really in trouble....but of course anything to secure it stays on the air :p I read that they just picked up 3 more epidsodes yesterday--bringing it to 16 episodes...only 6 more for a whole season. Wahoo! I also read that it's pulling in better numbers than it did last year :)

[CTs_Punkin]

VM has made the front page of MSN's entertainment section!!

VM on MSN (http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=238754&GT1=7703)

[CTs_Punkin]

How freaking good was last night's episode???

Won't say more for spoilers - but I hope the ratings go up a little with this one. It really was good & I can't wait until this arc is solved!

[ignutzz]

I was panicking and yelling at the TV for Logan to keep going towards the car when the alarm went off.

I know it's far-fetched, but I love that he's always there just at the right moment for V. Awwww :p

[kcjaime]

I thought last night's episode was awesome. I have to admit I'm starting to like Piz more than I wanted to. He's so cute in that adorable rumpled way. :p

But Logan came through for Veronica in the garage, thank god, and you could see how much he loved her when he held her in his arms.

Next week looks really good!

[Heather719]

Morning ladies-

Here is my brain dump about last night's show. Please note- LOTS OF SPOILERS.


Poor Keith and Harmony. I like seeing Keith happy in a relationship and he and Harmony seem to work well together. However, she's married. That's not cool no matter how you slice it, so I'm very glad that is over for at least now. All that said, I do think Veronica's reaction to her father's affair was a bit over the top, no? I know she's disappointed in him- but to run away over this after all he's supported her through without even listening is petty and immature. It's hard when a girl realizes her father isn't Superman, but it doesn't mean you stop loving him.

I was wondering when the Fitzpatrick’s were going to show up again. First with Vinnie showing up at Keith's office, then in the quest for Sully. Do you think the remaining Fitzpatrick's know that Kendall was killed? I can't remember if they were just asking where the money was or where Kendall was as well. And the Fitzpatrick brother that was carrying around V in the bar was skeevy and scary.

The only good thing about V running away from Keith was her rooming with Piz. Those two are very funny together. I really don't see any romantic sparks- but their friendship is great to watch. But Wallace staying in a motel to study? Come on...lamest excuse ever.

I enjoyed the Sully/Meryl story line simply because Meryl cracked me up. Who hasn't at one point or another, made up out of this world excuses for their loved ones? Her complete and total (yet completely well founded) denials of all of V’s suggestions were priceless and endearing.

But what was up with Sully's roommate’s hair? Looked like one of those hats you can buy with the fake long hair in the back.

What do you all think? Was V's professor really given her the FBI internship out of the goodness of his heart?? If she still doesn't take that, I would love to read V's essay on the perfect murder!

Ok..on to V and Logan. I get that the fact that Logan didn't want to share his alibi is not good, I'd be ticked too. But being mean and petty doesn't solve anything. Since becoming friends again, I can't think of Logan doing a single thing to hurt her- all I can think of are instances of her pushing him away and jumping to bad conclusions. Refresh my memory if I'm wrong.

Veronica being drugged and almost raped was a scary, scary thing. Thank goodness Logan was in the area and scared the guy away. This brings up a whole host of questions. Is the rapist tied to the frats at all? Was the rapist targeting Veronica and stalking her or was this just a crime of opportunity? And who is the freaking rapist? What "friend" was Mercer holding the GHB for?

I'm glad the show ended on a warm and fuzzy note- but it doesn't look like that theme is going to keep up next week!

[kcjaime]

I really don't see any romantic sparks- but their friendship is great to watch.

See, I actually see potential there. Piz definitely likes her, you can tell in the way he looks at her, and his awkward rejection of the Parker set-up last week about how he has a type, but she isn't it.

Also, I thought that during that exchange about the set up, when Parker asked, I interpreted V's behavior as feeling funny about setting her up with Piz in particular, instead of just the prospect of playing Cupid for anyone. Kind of like, I have a boyfriend and thus can't date you, but I don't want you to date anyone else anyway.

Maybe I saw what I wanted to see in it, as I like the Piz character and think he would be interesting with V. I do love Logan, but I feel like their break up is inevitable for the drama factor. We'll see! :)

[cocoa_femme]

I really need him to get a haircut before I can see him as any kind of "leading man/boyfriend" potential.

[kcjaime]

Aw, I like his hair. I think it fits his character. :)

[cocoa_femme]

Aw, I like his hair. I think it fits his character. :)
Oh, I totally agree! It does fit his character and I really like him. But, I don't think his character has good boyfriend potential. But who knows, maybe he'll grow on me. I certainly like him better than that lame-o Duncan.

[kcjaime]

Ugh, I agree-I couldn't stand Duncan. Zero chemistry with Veronica and just a lame character!

[jmvan74]

I'm not sure if I've posted in here, yet, since I just started watching this season....but after last night.... Whoa!

OMG! I was on the edge of my chair. I love this show. Everything that happened last night was so crazy!

[apoppy]

Great episode last night! I have two guesses about who the killer might be...

[Heather719]

Don't read any further if you haven't seen Spit & Eggs- major spoilers!

I guess I'll work backwards here. First- the dean is dead! And just when I was really starting to warm up to him with his bonding with Keith and niceness to Veronica. So now the big question is, who done it? Prof. Landry? The cheating wife? The guy the dean owes money to? Creepy Tim? I'm betting good money our beloved Sheriff Lamb is going to key in on Keith and/or Weevil for a while. This is gonna get interesting...

Speaking of the Sheriff- who do you think could have written the perfect murder knocking him off?

So glad to see some of our core characters back and used well. Mac was hysterical with her "I think all the glitter has come off my porn star tube top." line and her "Ask me about my STD" t-shirt. I have missed her and her snarkiness a lot. Wallace was back in best friend mode- helping V, cracking the jokes and being all around very supportive. And Piz? So stinking cute- and who knew the boy had such killer dance moves?!

Loved that Keith was also around a lot in this episode. Nothing like the dean questioning him about the type of guys that sleep with married women to make a man feel badly, huh? And as light hearted as he is, when Keith gets mad, like when he found Moe and Mercer, I would not screw with him. No way, no how.

Speaking of Moe and Mercer- the rapist and his side kick are revealed. I was honestly surprised by that. I thought Mercer's alibi with the radio show was air tight and Moe didn't look like he could hurt a fly. But Mercer was down right creepy and oh so crazy when talking to his next “victim” about why he did was he did.

My only very minor nit-pick about that whole story line is why in the heck didn't Veronica call 911? I get that she called in a bomb-scare, but on her way to the next victim’s room why didn't she 1) call 911 and tell the truth and 2) call her father or Logan to tell them where she was going? Then when she was drugged in Moe's room, why didn't she call 911 instead of her father again? I know the Sheriff is a jerk but it still boggles my mind.

And the last major story line of last night. The *sigh* breakup of Veronica and Logan. Logan's little breakup speech killed me- my heart just bleeds for that boy. I can't believe that Veronica was honestly surprised over this, it was very obvious things were not great between them and V wasn't doing much to make things better. I really hope all this jolts her a bit and allows her to open up and rely on other people. I also think V has a nasty habit of putting those she loves up on a pedestal, so when they disappoint her, they *really* disappoint her.

If there was any doubt of how much Logan loved V still though, that was addressed when he got himself thrown into the same jail cell as Mercer and Moe. I almost feel bad for those 2. Almost.

[Wrighty26]

Last night's episode was great! I'm really enjoying this season. I'm very happy that they split up the mysteries - instead of making my head explode at the end of the year!

Ditto to everything Heather said :)

I really enjoyed seeing Piz dance - and watching Wallace's reaction to the dancing. I also loved Mac's t-shirt. Hee.

My question - how did Tim get a hot girlfriend (even if she's a slut)? Will that play into the next mystery?

[ignutzz]

Oh man, I LOVED last night's episode! Ditto to everything Heather mentioned above.

I'm really glad they wrapped up the rapist storyline. I was getting a little uncomfortable with the idea that they would let someone get away with rape after rape until the season finale.

Wait until V finds out what Logan's done... :D Those two work so well together and JD has given such a great vibe and intensity to this character. Hell, I'd fall in love with him. :p (how badly did you feel for him last episode when V ignored his call?)

[cocoa_femme]

LOVED last night's episode. Totally killer!

Piz dancing, and Wallace's reaction were so funny. And how much do I love Mac!

I too, am very happy to see my favorite characters back.

Just one question though...why can't they find a face make-up that looks good on men of color? Wallace's sucked the whole first season, now Weevil's looks like crap. What is the deal?

[CTs_Punkin]

I LOVED this episode.
Was on the edge of my seat the whole show, cursing whenever an advertisement came on.

I thought Moe was in on it, but with Mercer being in Mexico I thought he's alibi was solid.... so surprise surprise....

I love that Logan got himself put in jail w/ them. Especially after helping Mercer with his alibi and that this caused the beginning of the end for us LoVe fans.

MAC is BACK!!! YEAH... hopefully she'll play a more integral role in the next story arc.

I was just starting to like the old Dean. I am confused as to why he went back to his office after he went to the hotel room.... but whatever...

[apoppy]

Any thoughts on this week's episode? I thought the dialogue was a little off somehow...

But, yeah for a boyfriend for Mac!

[Heather719]

Morning ladies-

So sorry I missed last week. Life got in the way of my TV watching. Hate it when that happens!

But OH MY- how I loved last nights episode. Loved it from beginning to end. Loved the dialogue, the characters, the witty banter, the honesty between Logan and V (until the end). LOVED IT ALL. So now I have to turn that love into coherent thoughts, huh? Ok..here goes nothing.

WARNING: BIG SPOILERS FOR "Poughkeepsie, Tramps and Thieves"

- The interaction between Keith and V was wonderful and funny. Insinuating her father was a stripper was both hysterical and slightly disturbing! And the look on Keith's face when V told him she was meeting two strippers at Logan’s?! Too freaking funny.
- Heck, loved Keith in general. Especially the scene with Lamb in the Sheriff's department about solving cases. "I find solving investigations very relaxing. You should try it sometime." "I will." The look on Lamb's face when he figured out what he just said was priceless!
- While I missed both Wallace and Mac- I did like Max. Poor guy was very sweet and endearing and obviously had a heart the size of TX. And who didn't feel bad for him when he realized that his friends bought him a hooker in order to deflower him?
- I am a HUGE Battlestar Galactica fan (almost as obsessed about that show as I am VM), so all the BsG shoutouts made me all giggly. "And then you frakked?" "Ah..the one that got away. She was dressed as a cylon and you only knew her as Six?"
- So sad Max and Wendy couldn't make it work, but I guess her prior profession (or current profession) would be a mighty big roadblock!
- Oh...and we got to see Weevil last night! Wish the boy would get a better plot line- I almost miss the PCH gang!
- As for the Dean's murder- the plot definitely thickened last night with the reveal that the Dean's Volvo had also been at the school that night. My money is now on the Dean's stepson. Too obvious if the wife did it.

Now, on to Logan and Veronica. Finally- their chemistry was *perfect* for the first time this season. They were funny and sweet and venerable and just plain fun to watch. There was snark and sarcasm and snuggling. What more does a fan girl want?!

And then Madison has to come ruin it all. Now, I really really hope they can work past this. While Logan and Madison hooking up is a HUGE blow to V- they were technically broken up. In my circles, being broken up means you have a free pass to date whom ever you want. Doesn't mean that Logan made a good decision, but it shouldn't be a deal breaker either, right? Right.

What did you all think?

[apoppy]

Last night's episode was much better than the previous week's, dialogue-wise.

Who is Madison in the grand scheme of things again? I think considering all of the things that Logan has done and V has forgiven him for, she can get over him sleeping with Madison while they were broken up. Plus, he admitted what a mistake it was and how much he regretted it.

It is interesting how the issues of trust and faith keeps coming up in connection to so many of the couples/cases V encounters. It makes a nice counterpoint to her problems with Logan.

Interesting teaser for next week! Do you think she really is? Or was it a cover for a case?

[scarlett]

I wonder what Weevil found flushed down one of the toilets in the faculty lounge. I bet it's important to the Dean's murder case.

[jh124]

then Madison has to come ruin it all. Now, I really really hope they can work past this. While Logan and Madison hooking up is a HUGE blow to V- they were technically broken up. In my circles, being broken up means you have a free pass to date whom ever you want.

I agree, even though Madison is Veronica's mortal enemy. I can't believe V wouldn't spit out, "oh yeah? Well you were switched at birth!" And what is up with Madison's hair? Can't they find more realistic looking wigs? (apoppy, Madison is a bitchy girl V went to high school with.)


Where is Wallace? I feel bad for the poor guy not getting any screen time. He was everywhere the past few years and now he's benched. Is he working on another project and not available for filming?

[apoppy]

Thanks jh. I think maybe the wig threw me. ;)

[cocoa_femme]

I think V could get over Logan sleeping with some random someone else, but him sleeping with Madison is different - since they have a not so good past.

[Goodies]

then Madison has to come ruin it all. Now, I really really hope they can work past this. While Logan and Madison hooking up is a HUGE blow to V- they were technically broken up. In my circles, being broken up means you have a free pass to date whom ever you want.

I was thinking the same thing! UGH! And pregnant! I hope not!

[ginastorm]

I'm a recent VM convert. Over my Christmas break a friend lent me seasons 1 & 2. Over the course of about a month I watched both seasons & then caught up with the third. Since I watched them so quickly I sometimes get a little confused, but I love this show!

If they hadn't called Madison by her name, I wouldn't have recognized her. The actress is the same but she looks completely different. I was glad to see Weevil looking better last night. I heart Weevil too.

[jh124]

If they hadn't called Madison by her name, I wouldn't have recognized her. The actress is the same but she looks completely different.

I don't understand that. They had the same actress play Madison seasons 1 and 2, but she looked different from season to season. It's the hair. They are doing something with her hair. It just looks unnatural. Is it me? Do I focus too much on her hair? It really bugs me....perhaps I should get a life?

[ginastorm]

No, it bothers me too. I'm glad that I'm not the only one that thinks she looks completely different. It's like she's wearing a different wig for each season.

[mmeblue]

Oh my gosh! I cannot believe they just did that!

[Wrighty26]

OMG - totally not the ending I suspected! I don't know how I feel about it...oddly sad??

[jh124]

On one hand, I'm totally surprised and I will miss him. OTOH, he wasn't being used much this season and he's too good to sit around on the sidelines.

Below is the show according to jh124

Characters I love but who are underused and I wouldn't be all that sad to go:

Wallace - she's in college, we never see him, time to move on
Weavil
Sheriff - check!


Characters I have no use for and must be killed off ASAP:

Taylor - no, not just because she flirted with my beloved Logan last night
Piz


Characters who are brought in once in a while and rock my world:

Cliff - loved him last night!
Deputy Sheriff

[Heather719]

Last night was one of those nights I was SO GLAD I don't read the spoilers for these episodes! I was shocked at a lot of what went down last night.

Here are my thoughts- as always, LOTS OF SPOILERS BELOW.

The episode would have been complete for me thanks to the fact that Mac got her groove back on. But no- that isn't enough- Sheriff Lamb goes and gets killed! Seriously- that shocked me. I didn't see that coming at all. And, quite honestly, while I love how it leads to Keith becoming Sheriff again, I'm really going to miss Lamb. He was incompetent and a jerk, but he had great on screen chemistry with everyone and that bantering was a riot to watch.

Side note- what were Lamb's last words? I couldn't make them out.

I am rather confused though. Is Mindy's ex involved in the Dean's murder? Or is he really being set up. If he is, how do you get someone's fingerprints on a keyboard without actually using their fingers? This is why I'm not a cop.

The whole Veronica in jail plot line made me laugh because of how flip V and Keith were over it.

Loved the fact that we got to see both Vinnie and Cliff in this episode. Cliff's line of "I just remembered I have to return Caged Heat to the video store." was both hysterical and so, so wrong. Also loved Veronica's "I do! I do!" line.

I'm glad the coach's "murder" was also tied up and that no one in his family had killed him. I do feel badly for Josh- maybe he can go hang out with Duncan until this all blows over!

As I mentioned above, completely thrilled that Mac is happy again! Even if this guy is just a short fling- at least she's over her aversion to being touched.

Not at all happy about the Parker/Logan vibe going on. I prefer depressed Logan to Logan dating other people, but I'm selfish like that.

Once again this show managed to surprise me- can't wait till next week!

[apoppy]

Great episode last night! I love a show that isn't afraid to kill off main characters. :)

Add me to those who is happy that Mac is happy again. I love her character. Although I thought they chose some really unfortunate lighting/shooting angles for the scene in bed.

Aside from the great moments already listed, I loved it when Logan accidentally did the "Split Bamboo" position before correcting himself to the Cow or whatever. Got to love a man who has nearly memorized the Karma Sutra! ;)

I think Mindy's ex is being set up for the Dean's murder.

[Goodies]

Not at all happy about the Parker/Logan vibe going on. I prefer depressed Logan to Logan dating other people, but I'm selfish like that
Count me in on this same feeling!

I don't like Parker to begin with but I was happy that Logan was having a good time on the scavenger hunt. It was kinda like watching two shows though, Veronica and Keith dealing with the Coach's murder and the Dean's murder, and then Mac, her BF, Logan and Parker having fun like something reminising saved by the bell.

I think the killer is the teacher, don't believe him and kind of find him creepy :cool:

[scarlett]

Side note- what were Lamb's last words? I couldn't make them out. I think he said "I smell bread." Not that that makes any sense though :)

I, too, am a little sad that Lamb is dead. I felt like he was finally starting to take Keith's tips seriously and work together with him.

I have to say I'm still laughing from the episode 2 weeks ago when Keith introduced himself and Veronica as "My name is Carson Drew and this is my daughter Nancy."

[taragiraffe]

Here's a TV Guide article (http://community.tvguide.com/thread.jspa?threadID=800009429) with Michael Muhney, AKA Sheriff Lamb. Very spoilery if you didn't see last night's episode.

And jh124, I totally agree that Piz and Parker need to go. I've despised Piz from day one and Parker has done nothing, save for helping Veronica with Mercer.

[kcjaime]

Loved the show this week. Lamb bugged me, but his banter with Veronica was always entertaining, so that's kind of sad to lose.

On a different note, I have to say I disagree with all the Piz naysayers. :D I like him! I'm looking forward to him becoming a bigger part of the show hopefully now that V and Logan broke up. I love Logan, but am not excited about this potential thing b/w him and Parker. I too, want him to just mourn his lost relationship instead. :p

Also, I love Weevil and wish he was on more, and I miss Wallace. I always loved his friendship with Veronica. I am glad that Mac had a bit of a storyline last night. :)

[ee_chick]

I saw the Lamb/Sheriff Mars thing coming early in the episode. DH didn't believe me, but I was right. Ha! I didn't love the Lamb character, but it will be kind of sad to see him go. Keith needs somebody besides Veronica to verbally tangle with.

I agree with jh124's assessment of the characters - except that I love Wallace. I wish we'd see him more, because he was great in the high school seasons.

[jmvan74]

I definitely didn't see the Sheriff thing coming! Yikes.

As for Parker and Logan...Yuck! Not cool.

[Goodies]

A couple of things about last night episode..
#1 I like Parker for telling Logan that she didn't want to loose Veronica as a friend. Big points for her, most so called friends wouldn't even thought twice about it.
#2 I had a feeling that the TA was the killer, he's just so creepy...
#3 Veronica why didn't you tell Logan that dating one of your friends is a bad idea, even if we're cool..which obviously they are not.
and lastly what the hell is the pussycat doll show taking over my Veronica Mars timeslot..ugg...Friggen Reality Tv..

[KaliLily]

Was last night the season finale?

[scarlett]

I had a feeling Tim was the killer ever since Veronica's paper was used as the template for the murder. I was thrown off though by Tim having his own file into the investigation on his computer.

Someone should tell Parker that the last time V gave her "permission" for her friend and ex-boyfried to date (Meg and Duncan), the friend ended up dead.

[Goodies]

[Was last night the season finale?]
Yes it was :(

[CTs_Punkin]

Goodies & KaliLily - this isn't the season finale, it is just this mystery's arc finale. There are still a 4 or 5 stand alone episodes that come back at the end of April to finish the season out. Those won't have an overall mystery, rather just a mystery per episode.

[KaliLily]

Goodies & KaliLily - this isn't the season finale, it is just this mystery's arc finale. There are still a 4 or 5 stand alone episodes that come back at the end of April to finish the season out. Those won't have an overall mystery, rather just a mystery per episode.

Oh good! DH and I love watching Veronica Mars. Wasn't ready for summer hiatus when it's not even Spring yet. ;)

[Goodies]

Please tell me that this isn't true..
http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/blog/index.jsp?uuid=6bcc5753-bc66-41f4-8283-131667132231

[Niobe]

Please tell me that this isn't true..
http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/blog/index.jsp?uuid=6bcc5753-bc66-41f4-8283-131667132231

It's not true. Also, I swear I read that exact quote from Rob Thomas way earlier this season, before the show got a full-season order.

But here's Kristin's updated blog (http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/blog/index.jsp?uuid=75a31622-f0e6-4166-be21-798de6671716)

[apoppy]

Oh no. That really blows. :(

[Heather719]

Here is what Michael Ausiello is saying (http://community.tvguide.com/forum.jspa?forumID=700000049):

And while we're clearing up false rumors, let me set the record straight about all this Veronica Mars fourth-season flash-forward business. Contrary to reports, Rob Thomas' retooled Mars would not take place at an FBI Academy, with Veronica serving as a trainee. Our favorite snarky sleuth would be an actual agent. Personally, I love the idea — even though it would probably trigger a major cast purge.

There's also a rumor floating around that Mars' fate rests in the hands of Lauren Graham and Alexis Bledel. Maybe, maybe not. While one insider says, "Clearly, Gilmore Girls not coming back would help Veronica Mars a lot," still another insists, "One has absolutely nothing to do with the other."

Either way, let's hope this whole mess gets resolved sooner rather than later. My faint heart can only take so much.

I have to say, I think it could be a great idea! I should hope that the main cast (Keith, Logan, Mac & Wallace) will still be around somehow, but I think taking V out of college and putting her in the FBI would rock!

[kedzieb]

Here is what Michael Ausiello is saying (http://community.tvguide.com/forum.jspa?forumID=700000049):

And while we're clearing up false rumors, let me set the record straight about all this Veronica Mars fourth-season flash-forward business. Contrary to reports, Rob Thomas' retooled Mars would not take place at an FBI Academy, with Veronica serving as a trainee. Our favorite snarky sleuth would be an actual agent. Personally, I love the idea — even though it would probably trigger a major cast purge.

There's also a rumor floating around that Mars' fate rests in the hands of Lauren Graham and Alexis Bledel. Maybe, maybe not. While one insider says, "Clearly, Gilmore Girls not coming back would help Veronica Mars a lot," still another insists, "One has absolutely nothing to do with the other."

Either way, let's hope this whole mess gets resolved sooner rather than later. My faint heart can only take so much.

I have to say, I think it could be a great idea! I should hope that the main cast (Keith, Logan, Mac & Wallace) will still be around somehow, but I think taking V out of college and putting her in the FBI would rock!


I kinda love it too. Hey, she'd finally be the right age!

[ignutzz]

I was gagging on the morality-play spoon feeding last night. :rolleyes:

The LoVe interactions were interesting and I'm wondering where they'll take this story. I'm not a big V/P fan, but oh well.

How adorable is Mac? I love that character.

[Heather719]

Hi All..only have a quick second, but here are my thoughts:

The mystery of the week was interesting. Not a huge nail bitter, but it kept my attention and helped move things along!

- Why didn't we see Mac's boyfriend at all? Things seem to have cooled quickly with them. Hearing Mac and Max exchange stories had me laughing. I do think Max had the best line of the night with "Are you sure my friends didn't hire you?!"

- Is it bad that I still hate seeing Logan with anyone other then V? He and Parker are cute- heck, Logan was even cute talking to Mac, but still, it's not working for me.

- V is a bigger person then I am by going to that party. I would have been "busy" washing my hair or something. It's one thing to be happy that your ex is happy, it's another to have it shoved in your face.

- *Loved* seeing more Wallace- I have missed that boy!

And last but not least, what do we all think about Piz and Veronica? Good couple? Rebound?

I think Piz is adorable and so very sweet. I also think V will eventually eat him alive. We'll see how this plays out.

On a side note- today is the day Rob Thomas is presenting his Season 4 pitch to the heads of CW. Say a prayer this show gets picked up again- we should find out on May 17th.

[cocoa_femme]

I think Piz is adorable and so very sweet. I also think V will eventually eat him alive. We'll see how this plays out.
ITA. I think V needs a guy with some "bite" and maybe a little edge. Until Piz shows me he's that guy, I'd rather see V single and/or dating.

[Wrighty26]

Hi All..only have a quick second, but here are my thoughts:

The mystery of the week was interesting. Not a huge nail bitter, but it kept my attention and helped move things along!

- Why didn't we see Mac's boyfriend at all? Things seem to have cooled quickly with them. Hearing Mac and Max exchange stories had me laughing. I do think Max had the best line of the night with "Are you sure my friends didn't hire you?!"

- Is it bad that I still hate seeing Logan with anyone other then V? He and Parker are cute- heck, Logan was even cute talking to Mac, but still, it's not working for me.

- V is a bigger person then I am by going to that party. I would have been "busy" washing my hair or something. It's one thing to be happy that your ex is happy, it's another to have it shoved in your face.

- *Loved* seeing more Wallace- I have missed that boy!

And last but not least, what do we all think about Piz and Veronica? Good couple? Rebound?

I think Piz is adorable and so very sweet. I also think V will eventually eat him alive. We'll see how this plays out.

On a side note- today is the day Rob Thomas is presenting his Season 4 pitch to the heads of CW. Say a prayer this show gets picked up again- we should find out on May 17th.

I pretty much agree with everything you wrote :)

My favorite line of the night was from Wallace: "That's Biggie Smalls. You know we don't all look alike, right?"

Oh and totally loved that Piz's fake ID was Bon Jovi. Hee!

[apoppy]

I love Piz. I hope that he shows a harder edge under all that sweetness so that Veronica will give him a chance. Then again, I always thought that Logan - sexy as he is - was way too unstable to be a good boyfriend.

And yes, I know that these are fictional characters! :p

[cocoa_femme]

And yes, I know that these are fictional characters! :p

Fictional??? :eek: You mean they're not real? :p ;)

[kam]

I don't like V and Logan together. Never did but I like how they made it actually civil. I love Piz and she together but I agree with you all - the boy doesn't stand a chance.

[cocoa_femme]

Does anyone watch Grey's Anatomy? If so, did you guys see Piz? Holy Sh!t...what.a.body.

[jh124]

Does anyone watch Grey's Anatomy? If so, did you guys see Piz? Holy Sh!t...what.a.body.

Yes, but I just kept thinking that's semi-dorky Piz. Didn't get excited about him.

[cocoa_femme]

Yes, but I just kept thinking that's semi-dorky Piz. Didn't get excited about him.
Yeah, I know what you mean. Although, if Piz kept his shirt off for the entire VM episode, I'd bet more people would like him ;) :D :o.

[Goodies]

Although, if Piz kept his shirt off for the entire VM episode, I'd bet more people would like him .
My thoughts exactly. God Piz just went up 2 notches and now I can see him and Veronica making a hot couple :)

And just for kicks, I'm sooo happy veronica's back and pussycrap dolls is over!

[Linnybubbles]

I think Piz IS ADORABLE especially after seeing GA last night. Of course, I think this means that he won't be on VM if the new pilot gets picked up. He has really gorgeous eyes.

[Goodies]

Can't wait for tonight! Don't forget to watch :)

[Niobe]

So I don't think I'm going to watch the final episodes until the announcement re: season 4 has been made. I just want to know if it's the end or not. I just wish the writers knew! Most shows get at least a couple episodes to wrap things up. :(

[kedzieb]

So I don't think I'm going to watch the final episodes until the announcement re: season 4 has been made. I just want to know if it's the end or not. I just wish the writers knew! Most shows get at least a couple episodes to wrap things up. :(

You know, after this episode, I really hope they do get the 5-years-from-now options greenlighted (-lit?). It would be a lot more exciting than another year at Hearst. Wallace could be back from Africa, Piz all grown up and hot (if he's not on the GA spin-off), Logan more brooding/bitter & most of all Veronica kicking some butt in the FBI!

[jh124]

I really liked the episode. Of course, I really like all the episodes. I think next season would be great if Vinnie wins the race for sheriff, so Keith can bring him down (I like Keith better as a PI.) Love that Veronica was so excited about the FBI and clueless about Piz planning his summer around her. Interesting that she and Logan both do what they want for the summer without thinking first about their significant others. And I was happy to see Wallace actually have a part in the episode. Usually, he's getting one or two lines and that's it.

The GA spinoff was picked up for next year, so Piz is out.

[apoppy]

Interesting that she and Logan both do what they want for the summer without thinking first about their significant others.

And of course, Veronica was quick to say "that's they way he is" about Logan doing this, but completely ignored the fact that she is the same way.

It was nice to see some emotion from Dick too. As goofball and offensive as his character usually is, it is nice that the writers have given him a bit more dimension throughout the season.

Maybe Piz will do both shows for awhile --- other actors have done two shows. I am holding out hope because I love a shy, brainy guy with a secretly great body. :p

[Heather719]

Oh boy- life is busy these days! So this is going to be a quick and dirty post.

- Really touching Mystery of the Week. Sad and really interesting- hard for me to fathom things like that going on in the world.

- What is up with Dick's father coming back out of the blue?! How very random. But Dick yelling at his father about not coming home for the Beav's funeral was awesome. Notice how Dick called Beaver Cassidy- I think that speaks volumes about the guilt he's carrying around.

- Poor, poor Piz. He so so wanted V to be worked up over him taking an internship in NYC and she just wasn't. Gotta feel bad for the guy.

- Mac and Max are so cute together! But I totally get her angst over Max's career path and why she doesn't want to go down that road herself.

- I always knew Vinnie was a slimeball, but I never thought he was a scumbag that would resorts to the lengths he has to win this election!

- Logan and Parker. Hmm..first off, her parents were jerks. Secondly..did Logan invite her along b/c he wanted to or becasue he felt like he had to? It looked more like a "had to" reaction to me, but what do you think?a

- Good for V for getting into the FBI!! Not that it's a shocker given the preso Rob Thomas presented to The CW last month, but still exciting!

Ok..see you next week to chat about the FINALE!!!

[kam]

I think the Piz storyline will depend on the pilot getting picked up or not. They've set it up perfectly. Veronica is in VA and Piz is in NY (or whatever radio station he decides to go to). If he is bound to the other show, he just doesn't return because he was hired full-time. If not, then they deal with the "Where do we go from here" situation, probably with him picking up a girlfriend during that time and VM then longing for him.

So glad VM is back! I'm so glad to see it going back to it's roots after Season 2's veering off into left field.

[apoppy]

Secondly..did Logan invite her along b/c he wanted to or because he felt like he had to?

Had to. Definitely. Logan is an interesting character because he is trying so hard to do the right thing now, but things just seem to be going wrong for him anyway: the class project last week, the girlfriend dilemma this week. Veronica always. He can't seem to work out the best ways to balance loyalty & selfishness & selflessness. He could turn it all around and end up a hero. Or something really bad could happen again and turn him into Lex Luther.

[Heather719]

Update from Ask Ausiello (http://www.tvguide.com/News-Views/Columnists/Ask-Ausiello/default.aspx)on TV Guide about Veronica's fate next season:
It's entirely possible that the CW will delay a decision on Mars' fate until after Thursday's upfront. Contractually, the net has until June 15 to reach a verdict, and the extra time would allow Rob Thomas to produce an actual script for Veronica in the FBI. That's one scenario. The other scenario is that the show is dead. I think we can all agree that Scenario 1 is preferable. One thing is certain: VM will not be on the schedule that Dawn Ostroff presents to advertisers on Thursday morning.

Fingers crossed!

[kam]

Damn! Doesn't sound overly promising.

Of course, now I'm obsessed with knowing the answer to the "blind item" referenced below the VM-related question ;)

[cocoa_femme]

Or something really bad could happen again and turn him into Lex Luther.
LOL! DH and I have philosophical conversations on what made Lex Luthor bad. We watch Smallville and have these deep talks about it.

[Heather719]

It's not looking promising for Veronica. According to TV Guide.com, it pretty much looks like the show is over. Read the latest and not-so-greatest here (http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Ausiello-Report/Live-Cw-Upfront/800015355). :(

[apoppy]

Okay, so now what am I supposed to watch? Will there be any intelligent, quick-talking, non-man-obsessed women on tv next year?

[ignutzz]

You know, I have a really inappropriate, judgmental response to your question apoppy that is taking all of my strength and common sense NOT to post. :p :o

[apoppy]

Okay, I am not sure how I offended you with my lighthearted comment about television programming, ignutzz but I would rather you just came out with it so that I don't do it again. :confused:

[ignutzz]

OMG NONONONONONONONO I didn't mean that you had offended ME. I just meant that I had a really snarky answer to your question and I was trying to be lighthearted about it not being a good idea to say it. I WAS NOT offended, I understood you were being funny and I tried (obviously failing miserably) to be lighthearted/silly in return.

[apoppy]

Oh thank God. I was starting to think that I had lost all my sense. :D

Perhaps my outrage over network (conglomeration) decisions to keep Seventh Heaven, Pussycat Dolls, Beauty & the Geek, and One Tree Hill on the air over Buffy, Angel, Pepper Dennis (was I the only who watched that?) and now Veronica has colored my humor-receptors. Even Gilmore Girls is gone. Oh, it is a sad day in tvland my friends, a sad day.


ETA: And, and, and --- the CW is running three shows about beauty contests: ANTM (I don't care what you say Tyra, it is a beauty contest); Pussycat Dolls, and something called Crowned, which I gather is a mother/daughter beauty contest. Plus Beauty & the Geek (which I will admit is a guilty pleasure, but hardly an empowering show). Only the boys get to be crime solvers and heros: Supernatural, Smallville, and a new show Reaper. I freaking hate the CW.

//thus endeth my ranting hijack//

[ignutzz]

I agree with you wholeheartedly!!!!!!! :D

[kedzieb]

Oh thank God. I was starting to think that I had lost all my sense. :D

Perhaps my outrage over network (conglomeration) decisions to keep Seventh Heaven, Pussycat Dolls, Beauty & the Geek, and One Tree Hill on the air over Buffy, Angel, Pepper Dennis (was I the only who watched that?) and now Veronica has colored my humor-receptors. Even Gilmore Girls is gone. Oh, it is a sad day in tvland my friends, a sad day.

I'm with you (but Pepper Dennis,really?). I just don't understand it. VM was smart & funny & had hot people making out. People loved it. And yet even with all that, the stupid network kept screwing with its schedule and making it impossible to get into. Lame. I think canceling it was a bad decision and I'm hoping it will still be picked up - or stolen away by another network.

[Goodies]

It's a sad sad day for me...Veronica is the best damn thing on TV...I'm heartbroken that another show I loved it over :mad:

[apoppy]

Yeah, I know Pepper Dennis was a wild card there, but she was a strong character and I thought the writing was clever. ;)

Strong female characters are not allowed on tv anymore. I read a great NYTimes review (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/05/arts/television/05grey.html?ex=1179547200&en=12b1f3f31b6f4517&ei=5070) about the "enfeebling" of the modern television woman via Grey's Anatomy (which I realize a lot of people love, but I have major problems with it). I hate when I see this type of thing happening.

Anyway, this is about Veronica...

[scarlett]

I'm so sad we won't get to see more Veronica. I love this show. I might have to break down and buy the DVDs.

[Taylandra]

This is such crap...Yes, shows like "Search for the Next Doll" and other reality shows may be big for a bit longer, but why not keep the investment in a show that has a following and will be around longer than the reality thing? Stupid CW...They have lost all common sense and are asking to go down the tube.

We can only hope that there is a smarter network out there. Are there any petitions going around the internet about VM?

;-)

[Wrighty26]

I will definitely be boycotting the CW from now on -- not that there's really much on that channel that I want to watch. It's funny how they took a channel like the WB, which in my opinion was producing decent shows and just turned it into UPN (which, let's be honest, was crap) instead of building on the WB.

I agree with apoppy that strong women characters aren't allowed on TV anymore. I'll be interested to see how The Bionic Woman (new series coming this fall) will do.

I was just so sad yesterday. What really pisses me off even more is that the series is supposed to end with a cliffhanger!

[cosmic]

We can only hope that there is a smarter network out there. Are there any petitions going around the internet about VM?


Actually, I think the people at gilmoregirls.org are working with the Veronica Mars fans on a mass petition. The CW has left a lot of pissed off people...lol.

[kam]

NOOOOOO!!!!

My main critique of season 2 was Veronica became one of those women we see on TV already. I was SO happy to see season 3 back with a stronger, bolder Veronica. And now THIS.

CW, you may have lost a viewer. ANTM has turned to crap and that's about the only other show I watched.

[Linnybubbles]

I agree, I am boycotting the CW. HOW can Supernatural get a pickup? They are NUTS. Remember that great show Wonderfalls? It was canceled (Fox?) after 5 eps and it was incredible.

[KaliLily]

I'm seriously disappointed with the CW. They brought back 7th Heaven from cancellation :rolleyes:, yet they didn't renew Veronica? Even after losing Gilmore Girls?!?! What morons!

[HGMorgann]

We aren't huge TV watchers, but VM was the only show I really watched. We could get rid of our basic cable now I guess:-p

[jh124]

Tonight's the last show.:(

[Goodies]

I'm so sad today and I just realized why...No more Wallace, Weevil, Mac, Keith, Dick,Piz, Logan and finally Veronica...
Everyone watch tonight, at least let the show go out in style :)

[kcjaime]

I miss Weevil! I'm glad he'll be in the episode tonight. Looking forward to seeing how this two hours unfolds. I really wish we would get some closure, but I have a feeling it won't be that easy!

[kam]

I'll even miss the song. "We used to be friends a long time ago...."

[Taylandra]

Sadness...I guess Rob Thomas felt really hopeful about the show coming back since there were so many loose ends with the smaller storylines. *sigh* It was good to see everyone though.

At least he and Kristen Bell are shopping around a new show with the CW (although I don't know why they would want to stick around there except for the creative freedom they probably get over there). I'm guessing that it's the "future" Veronica Mars type-thing since they have said nothing about that push. Only that "VM is dead." Yes, that is a quote from one of the stupid higher-ups at CW. Stupid, stupid, stupid...

;-)

[jh124]

Part of me wonders if Rob Thomas did this episode with the idea in mind that they weren't coming back. He really used Wallace, Weavil, and Keith in ways that he hasn't in awhile (Wallace having a part, Weavil having her back, Keith walking the painful path of father/sheriff.) I think the entire cast got to shine.

I liked that they went old school and brought back Clarence and Jake Kane. I thought it was odd that Veronica didn't ask either of them about Duncan. Yes, she was in trouble, but still, I would think she would have asked. Also, knowing the complicated history she has with Jake (didn't know if he was her father in the first season) I find it odd that he would be so dismissive of her (I never want to see her again.) He is/was in love with her mother for 20+ years. That scene didn't ring true to me.

I was sad that the lawyer, Cliff, missed the swan song, especially since Weavil was in jail.

Sure, there were some cliffhangers, but not many. I think they were setting us up for the mafia kid to be a bad guy next year. Perhaps Jake trying to make V's life hell (again, doesn't ring true.) Does or doesn't Keith win the election?

In my version of the continuation of V's life, I think Keith would have lost and gone back to being a PI. Eventually, he would bring down Vinnie as corrupt and inept. V would have a great summer with the FBI. She and Logan would eventually find their way back to each other.

I'm sad that it's over, but loved the final two episodes. Great show!

[apoppy]

I thought it was odd that Veronica didn't ask either of them about Duncan. Yes, she was in trouble, but still, I would think she would have asked. Also, knowing the complicated history she has with Jake (didn't know if he was her father in the first season) I find it odd that he would be so dismissive of her (I never want to see her again.)

I thought Veronica was the one who knows where Duncan is (generally speaking) but the Kane family is still clueless about his whereabouts. Or am I wrong about that? I think Jake is dismissive because he associates Veronica with the death of his daughter and the disappearance of his son. He was looking a little rough -- I don't think Jake has been doing so well since we last saw him.

I am so sad this show is over! So many plot threads that could have been followed next season: V in the FBI; Weevil with the card machine/fighting to get his job back; Logan getting chased by the Mob (boy, he was a loose cannon last night!); Dick continuing to work through his feels over Cassidy; Keith being targeted by the DA/the election; the return of the Kane family...

I thought it was funny too that the CW kept referring to it as the Season Finale instead of the Series Finale --- I think that shows how close they were to keeping the show going for another season.

[Wrighty26]

Part of me wonders if Rob Thomas did this episode with the idea in mind that they weren't coming back. He really used Wallace, Weavil, and Keith in ways that he hasn't in awhile (Wallace having a part, Weavil having her back, Keith walking the painful path of father/sheriff.) I think the entire cast got to shine.

I read an interview that Rob Thomas did a few months ago and he said that with the last few episodes he was were trying to get back to the original tone of the show that was set in the first season. (This was also one of the reasons the episode was called, "The Bitch is Back." )

I'm just sad that such a great show got "treated" the way it did. I just don't understand why it took them so long to decide to cancel the show. If anything, it deserved a series finale if anything.

[jmvan74]

This is the first season I watched in full and I honestly feel ill that it is over. It is one of the best shows I have ever watched. I'm so sad. :(

[scarlett]

In my version of the continuation of V's life, I think Keith would have lost and gone back to being a PI. Eventually, he would bring down Vinnie as corrupt and inept. V would have a great summer with the FBI. She and Logan would eventually find their way back to each other.

I'm sad that it's over, but loved the final two episodes. Great show!I agree with this. This is what happens in my version of Veronica's world too. And maybe at some point, someone tells Madison that she was switched at birth. :)

[jh124]

I thought Veronica was the one who knows where Duncan is (generally speaking) but the Kane family is still clueless about his whereabouts. Or am I wrong about that? I think Jake is dismissive because he associates Veronica with the death of his daughter and the disappearance of his son. He was looking a little rough -- I don't think Jake has been doing so well since we last saw him.

Unlike Logan and Dick, Duncan wasn't living off a trust, so he must be getting money from his family (unless I missed that somewhere along the way.) Also, remember that Duncan was the one that put the hit on Logan's dad and Clarence carried it out and called him to tell him that it was done. So there must be come communication going on between Duncan and the Kane family/hangers on.

[jmvan74]

So, in my sadness over the loss of VM, I bought the first and second season on DVD. Then proceeded to watch both seasons in a 5 day time frame! LOL! I'm glad I did b/c it cleared up a lot of things for me and now I'm ready to watch the reruns of season 3 w/ new eyes. ;)

[Heather719]

Hi Ladies-

Just saw that TVGuide.com is saying the Jason Dohring (Logan) has been cast in CBS's new vampire PI drama, Moonlight. He will be playing Josef, an ancienet vampire, who is a "mischievious hedge-fund trader."

Moonlight is executive produced by David Greenwalt, one of the co-creators of Angel (also a show about a vampire PI :p).

I was going to watch the show just because David is running it- but Jason just adds icing to the cake!! :D

[jh124]

I loved Moonlight when it was on the first time and entitled Angel.:rolleyes: Vampires with souls. Please, it's so done. But, of course, now I will have to watch it...

[ginastorm]

So, in my sadness over the loss of VM, I bought the first and second season on DVD. Then proceeded to watch both seasons in a 5 day time frame! LOL! I'm glad I did b/c it cleared up a lot of things for me and now I'm ready to watch the reruns of season 3 w/ new eyes. ;)

We did a similar thing! Over our Christmas break we watched Seasons 1 & 2 and I was hooked. We then watched the Season 3 episodes online. I was then disappointed when I had to wait a week for a new episode!

[scarlett]

The first 12 minutes of what could have been season 4 (the FBI years) is now on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI8PI8y_-M8

Makes me happy to Veronica, but so sad that it didn't happen. It's really good.

[jmvan74]

The first 12 minutes of what could have been season 4 (the FBI years) is now on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI8PI8y_-M8

Makes me happy to Veronica, but so sad that it didn't happen. It's really good.

Waaaa!!! I miss VM!!:( That was so fun to watch.

[kam]

*sniffle* Why did they have to cancel it? Why????

[Linnybubbles]

I am still not over it :(

[jh124]

I'm so excited, I almost peed!!

From eonline:

Sources confirm that Francis Capra has been cast on Heroes. We've also exclusively learned that Veronica and Weevil—er, Elle and Jesse, do share at least one scene. Former Veronica Mars costars Capra and Kristen Bell together again? Hallelujah!

Sources tell us Francis is doing a three-episode guest arc as villain Jesse Murphy, a thug who runs with a gang of two-bit criminals. However, Jesse is more than just a meathead. He does have a power. When and where will it be deployed? You'll have to watch to see.

[jmvan74]

That will be fun to see. I still miss Veronica!

I think I'll start watching season one tonight. LOL!