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lawyerlee
06-29-2005, 09:25 AM
Wow. :eek: What assholes. :mad:

Nixon Called Indira Gandhi an 'Old Witch' (http://apnews.excite.com/article/20050629/D8B10AV01.html)

By ANNE GEARAN

WASHINGTON (AP) - President Nixon referred privately to Indian Prime Minister Indira Gandhi as an "old witch" and national security adviser Henry Kissinger insulted Indians in general, according to transcripts of Oval Office tapes and newly declassified documents released Tuesday.

Nixon and Kissinger met in the Oval Office on the morning of Nov. 5, 1971, to discuss Nixon's conversation with Gandhi the day before.

"We really slobbered over the old witch," Nixon told Kissinger, according to a transcript of their conversation released as part of a State Department compilation of significant documents involving American foreign policy.

Nixon's remark came as the two men speculated about Gandhi's motives during the White House meeting and discussed India's intentions in the looming conflict with neighboring Pakistan. The United States was allied with Pakistan and saw India as too closely allied with the Soviet Union.

"The Indians are bastards anyway," Kissinger told the president. "They are starting a war there."

Kissinger also told his boss that he had bested Gandhi in their meeting.

"While she was a bitch, we got what we wanted too," Kissinger said. "She will not be able to go home and say that the United States didn't give her a warm reception and therefore in despair she's got to go to war."

Other documents chart U.S. contacts with China, as facilitated by Pakistan, and U.S. concern that India was developing nuclear technology. The archive covers U.S. policy in South Asia in 1971 and 1972.

The documents, many declassified only earlier this month, generally cover old ground, several Cold War scholars said. Still, the particulars are intriguing, including rosters of who was in various meetings and quotes from conversations among Nixon, his aides and foreign leaders.

"They see everything through a Cold War prism," said Bill Burr, a senior analyst at the National Security Archive at George Washington University. "It's a wholly distorted view."

U.S.-India relations were strained for decades as a result of Cold War alliances and have significantly improved only recently. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice visited India earlier this year, and Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh will visit Washington in July.

alootikki
06-29-2005, 09:32 AM
Classy :rolleyes:

I'm Indian-American - my liberal family will appreciate this article! I never understood our policy in South Asia. Today India is the world's largest democracy, while Pakistan is a military dictatorship - what exactly are we basing our alliances on?

miel
07-01-2005, 12:05 PM
Alootikki: Oh, c'mon...you dont' think that stuff about democracy is really true, do you? India never slavered over the U.S. and that's what the policy is about, what it's always about.

Yes, all these wars we have or sponsored are all for democracy! All of the sudden...the U.S. has turned over a new leaf. Forget Guatemala, Chile, Iran, the Philippines, Honduras, Haiti, El Salvador, etc.

Have you ever read other Nixon transcripts? They are hilarious. The stuff he said...it was just crazy! The man needed some therapy.

lawyerlee
07-01-2005, 02:12 PM
Have you ever read other Nixon transcripts? They are hilarious. The stuff he said...it was just crazy! The man needed some therapy.
His thoughts about women and Jews were charming, too, weren't they. :rolleyes:

lawyerlee
07-01-2005, 02:15 PM
Kissinger regrets India comments (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4640773.stm) BBC News

Mr Kissinger now says Indira Gandhi was a 'great leader'

Former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger has expressed regret over anti-India comments he made to former US President Richard Nixon.


"The Indians are bastards," Mr Kissinger said shortly before the India-Pakistan war of 1971, it was revealed this week.

Mr Kissinger also called former Indian Prime Minister Indira Gandhi a "bitch" during the conversation.

At the time, the US saw India as too close to the Soviet Union.

The conversation was revealed in documents the US State Department declassified this month on US foreign policy of the time.

According to the documents, President Nixon called Indira Gandhi an "old witch" in a conversation with Mr Kissinger.

'High regard'

Mr Kissinger, 82, has now told a the private Indian television channel NDTV that his comments did not reflect American policy during the 1970s.

"I regret that these words were used. I have extremely high regard for Mrs Gandhi as a statesman," he said.

"The fact that we were at cross purposes at that time was inherent in the situation but she was a great leader who did great things for her country."

One key conversation transcript comes from the meeting between President Nixon and Mr Kissinger in the White House on 5 November 1971, shortly after a meeting with the visiting Indira Gandhi.

"We really slobbered over the old witch," says President Nixon.

"The Indians are bastards anyway," says Mr Kissinger. "They are starting a war there."

He adds: "While she was a bitch, we got what we wanted too. She will not be able to go home and say that the United States didn't give her a warm reception and therefore in despair she's got to go to war.

Mr Kissinger told NDTV that this was not a "formal conversation".

"This was somebody letting off steam at the end of a meeting in which both President Nixon and I were emphasising that we had gone out of our way to treat Mrs Gandhi very cordially," he said.

"There was disappointment at the results of the meeting. The language was Nixon language."

Relations between India and US have strengthened since Mr Kissinger's days.

"The US recognises that India is a global power, that is a strategic partner of the US on the big issues," Mr Kissinger said.

However, President Nixon and Mr Kissinger's remarks have angered India's ruling Congress party.

"It is shocking that the head of state of a country and his principal adviser chose to use such intemperate language against a popularly elected prime minister of another country," party spokesman Anand Sharma said.

"These words have no relevance today... we hope the present US leader also rejects these remarks which were definitely in very poor taste."

CONVERSATION: MAY 26, 1971
Kissinger: They are the most aggressive goddamn people around there
Nixon: The Indians?
Kissinger: Yeah
Nixon: Sure

camberne
07-01-2005, 03:12 PM
Honestly, I think it's silly for Kissinger to apologize nearly 35 years after the fact for comments he made to Nixon. I'm sure I wouldn't want everyone hearing what I've said about someone I just had a meeting with at least 3/4 of the time. You come out of a meeting and say to your friend/colleague "What a jackass, I can't believe I had to kiss his butt like that!"

Heck, we have those comments made mistakenly by our politicians on both sides when they thought their microphones were off...

lawyerlee
07-01-2005, 03:23 PM
I thought it was kinda nice that he apologized - if he was being sincere. I believe he knew he was being taped in Nixon's office (I don't think this was kept secret, but I could be wrong), so I can imagine that it would be embarassing to have this come out so many years later. Also, he might have felt that it was going to cause problems between India and the United States, which would be a good reason to apologize now, I think.

camberne
07-01-2005, 03:37 PM
... and this is why I will never go into politics. :D

lawyerlee
07-01-2005, 03:38 PM
... and this is why I will never go into politics. :D
Isn't that the truth?! :)