The CC Relief Society: AKA LDS Ladies Let's Fellowship!

[LyLMyssChaos]

I was surprised at how many LDS ladies are here. It seems that we are a rather quite bunch (well, for the most part. ;) ) Although we could easily fit into the Christian thread, I thought it might be nice to have someplace where we could fellowship and discuss issues(especially those specific to the LDS faith) with each other in a "safe" environment. I know that there will be people that are not of our faith that wish to join, and that is fine, but we will ask that you be understanding that our faith is very dear to us. Please do not criticize or ridicule our beliefs or our doctrine. We are open to honest questions (i.e. asking for clarification about our beliefs, or questioning about rumors you may have heard.) Please be aware that "being a missionary" is a huge part of who we are, but we are not trying to convert anyone, we just want to share the joy we have found. If you are LDS and want to chat without fear of persecution, or simply want to know more about us and what we believe, feel free to join in. We look forward to getting to know all of you!

Member Info

Screen Name:LyLMyssChaos
Real Name:Tiffany
Location: Michigan
Marital Status: Married 3 years 7/27/02--Sealed 2 years 9/6/03
Children:3 children
DD:Madeline Rose-26 months-7/5/03
DS: Timothy Edward III-5 months-4/19/05
Angel Baby:2/14/04
Membership Status: Convert, Baptised 7/28/02
Current calling:Sunbeam Teacher
Anything else you want to share: I am a SAHM and babysit for 3 small children under the age of 3. I am currently taking a medical hiatus from my calling, but I feel like that is where Heavenly Father wants me. I have been in Primary and I have taught every class in Jr. Primary since I was baptized.
Any concerns/struggles that you may have: I currently am struggling with doing temple work and not being angry with Heavenly Father for the difficulties I am currently encountering. My testimony isn't wavering, I KNOW that I need to do my temple work and not be angry, and I KNOW that I need to do what He asks of me, but I keep finding my "human element" creeping in.

Screen Name: LDS Angel 19
Real Name:Michelle
Location: Michigan
Marital Status: Married (in the temple) Sept 4th 2004
Children: Allison Grace, our angel in heaven
Membership Status: Convert, baptized 7/26/02
Current calling: RS Chorister
Any concerns/struggles that you may have: Uh, yeah, lots. But I think for now I will be keeping most of them in my LJ. Sufice to say, we've had a hard summer and it's sometimes amazing to me that I am still a member.

Screen Name: Saathei
Real Name:Beth
Location: Utah
Marital Status: Married in the temple, 8/29/03
Children:Thalia & Michaya, 5 months - 4/24/05
Membership Status: Convert, Baptized 8/20/2000
Current calling: Mother of twins
Any concerns/struggles that you may have: My testimony's fine, but I [b]have trouble finding time to do stuff like pray and read my scriptures.

Screen Name: bciob22
Real Name: Terri
Location: Idaho
Marital Status: Married 15 1/2 years 2/2/90
Children:3 children
DD:Katie 7/20/91 Hailey 6/4/98
DS: Shawn 8/17/94
Angel Baby:3/8/86 (from my first marriage DH #1 died 3 days after we were married and I miscarried 16 weeks later) and 3/15/97
Membership Status: member all my life Dad's side members, Mom is a convert
Current calling: None
Any concerns/struggles that you may have: Even though I met my DH at a Young Adult Dance he is pretty much inactive. He stuggles with Word of Wisdom issues and the fact that after he was baptised his mother became born again Christian and pretty much relayed the message that the church was brain washing him(pretty confusing for a 9 year old who only had him and mom at the time. He has no problem with the kids and I going (and occasionally he will go too) to meetings and after an initial debate about baptisim with my oldest (1st she couldn't get baptised til she was 16 and could make her own choice, then he changed it to 12 then finally allowed it when she was 10) the only thing he has asked me to respect is that if the kids decide they don't want to go to church/or even associate with the chuch I don't force it on them. Which is totally not me anyway. I always grew up having that free agency and choice I would never make my kids (guide yes, force no)do what didn't feel right. I truely believe even with people born and raised in the church we all have a conversion of our own.

Screen Name: Karlatta
Real Name: Karla
Location: Houston
Marital Status: Married, 6/8/02
Children: Anna, miscarried January 2005
Membership Status: Convert, baptized 1/25/1998
Current calling: Enrichment Instructor
Any concerns/struggles that you may have: None really. I'm not always as good at reading scriptures and praying as I know I should be, but I don't think there's anything major to deal with.

Screen Name: Mrsface
Real Name:Andrea
Location: Salt Lake
Marital Status: Married 10/03, sealed 10/04
Children: Eventually
Membership Status: Member all my life, DH as well. Both our families are very active, too
Current Calling: Primary Chorister Best calling in the church!
Any Concerns / Struggles: Like several of you I have a hard time doing the little things ~ scripture study etc... I really need to be better and more diligent.

Screen Name: PinkMartini
Real Name: Summer
Location: California
Marital Status: Engaged 1/10/04... Married sometime soon
Children: No children
Membership Status: Convert, Not yet baptised (will be once we're married)
Anything else you want to share: My fh was raised LDS and I had never heard of the religion prior to meeting him. In taking an interest in his life I learned about the church and began taking lessons. I've taken the lessons 3 times now in hopes of being extra prepared for being able to be baptised once we are married. I can't believe I've lived my life thus far without the church in it.
Any concerns/struggles: that you may have: I'm having issues getting my fh to go to church. I work retail and usually work on Sundays so if I'm not home he won't go.

[LyLMyssChaos]

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[LDS Angel 19]

Screen Name: LDS Angel 19
Real Name:Michelle
Location: Michigan
Marital Status: Married (in the temple) Sept 4th 2004
Children: Allison Grace, our angel in heaven
Membership Status: Convert, baptized 7/26/02
Current calling: RS Chorister
Any concerns/struggles that you may have: Uh, yeah, lots. But I think for now I will be keeping most of them in my LJ. Sufice to say, we've had a hard summer and it's sometimes amazing to me that I am still a member.


That's enough outta me for now! Happy Hump Day :D

[maxandmolly]

Can someone explain the difference between being married and being sealed?
My best friend in college converted my senior year (she took the five year plan thanks to having a LOT more fun than I did freshman year), and when I saw her a couple years later, she was happier than I had ever known her to be, so I have a lot repsect for what her faith has brought her- BUT, maybe one of you can explain to me, why was it, when we started hanging out again, once she realized I wasn't going to convert, she distanced herself dramatically. I mean, I was thrilled to see her so happy, and I know her conversion had everything to do with it, but it wasn't something I wanted at that time, and she seemed so disappointed. Is that something some of you struggle with, having non-LDS friends? Because it seemed like I was her last one, and then I was gone, too. So I'm wondering if it was just a 'her' thing or more common?

[LyLMyssChaos]

Can someone explain the difference between being married and being sealed?
My best friend in college converted my senior year (she took the five year plan thanks to having a LOT more fun than I did freshman year), and when I saw her a couple years later, she was happier than I had ever known her to be, so I have a lot repsect for what her faith has brought her- BUT, maybe one of you can explain to me, why was it, when we started hanging out again, once she realized I wasn't going to convert, she distanced herself dramatically. I mean, I was thrilled to see her so happy, and I know her conversion had everything to do with it, but it wasn't something I wanted at that time, and she seemed so disappointed. Is that something some of you struggle with, having non-LDS friends? Because it seemed like I was her last one, and then I was gone, too. So I'm wondering if it was just a 'her' thing or more common?

The difference between being married and sealed is purely the commitment involved. We believe that a civil marriage is only valid as long as we are on this Earth. It is recognized as any other marriage, but it doesn't have the eternal holding power that a "sealing" does. A "sealing" is a marriage ceremony held inside the temple that creates a bond between the husband, wife and their offspring that will last through eternity. It is kind of like a chain being wrapped around a family and tying them together forever (for lack of a better phrase.)

The reason that your friend may have struggled with having non-LDS friends is that we are often counciled to avoid any "negative" or non-gospel oriented temptations and influences. Perhaps your friend didn't feel strong enough in her convictions that she could resist the differences in your lifestyles? I'm not saying you were a heathen by any stretch, but for a lot of members, something as simple as sitting at a dinner table with someone using profanity or consuming alcohol is inapporpriate. We each have our own limits, and often times(especially when someone is first bapitized) they only want to surround themselves with those that are fully into the gospel and living their lives as gospel centered as possible. She also may have been hurt that you didn't find the truth in the gospel that she did, and was worried you may look at her differently. I don't personally struggle with having non-LDS friends as I have made what I deem acceptable and non-acceptable very clear and most of my friends understand and respect my wishes. Those that haven't, I must admit, I have distanced myself from, simply because our lifestyles don't coincide (i.e. they like to hang out and drink at bars and night clubs, I don't enjoy that because I don't drink, I feel that most of the music played at the nightclubs is inappropriate and I don't agree with the type of dancing either, but if my non-member friends called and asked me to come over and play board games or something, then sure, I'd go!) The place that I encounter issues is with my DH's family members that are not members (and actually there is only one sibling of his that we have an issue with, and that's because he totally hates the church, thinks we are a cult, etc.)

[bciob22]

Can someone explain the difference between being married and being sealed? In a nutshell being married is a here on Earth, til death do us part, thing. Where as being sealed is a for time and Eternity(after this mortal life) thing.
My best friend in college converted my senior year (she took the five year plan thanks to having a LOT more fun than I did freshman year), and when I saw her a couple years later, she was happier than I had ever known her to be, so I have a lot repsect for what her faith has brought her- BUT, maybe one of you can explain to me, why was it, when we started hanging out again, once she realized I wasn't going to convert, she distanced herself dramatically. I mean, I was thrilled to see her so happy, and I know her conversion had everything to do with it, but it wasn't something I wanted at that time, and she seemed so disappointed. Is that something some of you struggle with, having non-LDS friends? Because it seemed like I was her last one, and then I was gone, too. So I'm wondering if it was just a 'her' thing or more common?Thats a tough one. I have NO problem having non-member friends, but I have been a member all my life, so people were my friends and accepted "who I was" and what I would and would not do. I think sometimes converts and especially new ones may have a hard time being with friends who knew them before when they may have done things they no longer do.
Hope that makes sense :D

[maxandmolly]

You mean I'm not a heathen? Darn it, better try harder from now on! :p
I think you have something with surrounding herself with the gospel and people living it. Because I lived with her the semester she started down the road, so I knew about the no drinking, healthy lifestyle type stuff, and was careful not to do anything that would conflict with that and respected her choices, so it really kinda hurt when she put that distance there.
Thanks for the answer on the sealing- I vaguely remembered something about it being more of a commitment than your 'typical' - if there is such a thing- marriage, but couldn't remember the details.

[saathei]

Screen Name: Saathei
Real Name:Beth
Location: Utah
Marital Status: Married in the temple, 8/29/03
Children:Thalia & Michaya, 5 months - 4/24/05
Membership Status: Convert, Baptized 8/20/2000
Current calling: Mother of twins :p
Any concerns/struggles that you may have: My testimony's fine, but I have trouble finding time to do stuff like pray and read my scriptures.

Can someone explain the difference between being married and being sealed?
We believe that the sealing power breaks the bonds of death, so if you are sealed together, your marriage will last for eternity. We believe that if you are married without being sealed, the marriage will dissolve at death.

Is that something some of you struggle with, having non-LDS friends? Because it seemed like I was her last one, and then I was gone, too. So I'm wondering if it was just a 'her' thing or more common?
I'm probably a poor case study, since I was baptized when I was going off to college, and EVERYONE drifts away from friends at that time, you know? I can tell you that I'm no longer friends with the people who were big into the drinking and partying scene - not because I was all "Eww, sinner!" :rolleyes: but because it was just so hard to relate to them anymore. The non-LDS friends I've kept have been the ones who lead lifestyles similar to my own.

ETA - Shoot, this thread moved fast! Curse my one handed typing!

[LDS Angel 19]

I think sometimes converts and especially new ones may have a hard time being with friends who knew them before when they may have done things they no longer do.

I agree with that. It happend to me. I just sortot drifted apart from a lot of my friends. Getting baptized changes a person, A LOT. We didn't have as much in common anymore, and we weren't really sure how to act around eachother.

[LyLMyssChaos]

Any concerns/struggles that you may have: My testimony's fine, but I have trouble finding time to do stuff like pray and read my scriptures.


I so am with you. I really have been struggling with being able to get in the "right frame of mind" for scripture study. I mean it's one thing to steal away 5 minutes to be online while kids are running around screaming, playing, etc. But to me, it's a whole different subject to get myself into a spiritual frame of mind to read and actually internalize the scriptures. I don't want to read it if I can't give it the respect and attention it deserves.

[bciob22]

Member Info

Screen Name:bciob22
Real Name:Terri
Location:Idaho
Marital Status: Married 15 1/2 years 2/2/90
Children:3 children
DD:Katie 7/20/91 Hailey 6/4/98
DS: Shawn 8/17/94
Angel Baby:3/8/86 (from my first marriage DH #1 died 3 days after we were married and I miscarried 16 weeks later) and 3/15/97
Membership Status: member all my life Dad's side members, Mom is a convert
Current calling:None
Any concerns/struggles that you may have: Even though I met my DH at a Young Adult Dance he is pretty much inactive. He stuggles with Word of Wisdom issues and the fact that after he was baptised his mother became born again Christian and pretty much relayed the message that the church was brain washing him(pretty confusing for a 9 year old who only had him and mom at the time. He has no problem with the kids and I going (and occasionally he will go too) to meetings and after an initial debate about baptisim with my oldest (1st she couldn't get baptised til she was 16 and could make her own choice, then he changed it to 12 then finally allowed it when she was 10) the only thing he has asked me to respect is that if the kids decide they don't want to go to church/or even associate with the chuch I don't force it on them. Which is totally not me anyway. I always grew up having that free agency and choice I would never make my kids (guide yes, force no)do what didn't feel right. I truely believe even with people born and raised in the church we all have a conversion of our own.

[ysolde]

The difference between being married and sealed is purely the commitment involved. We believe that a civil marriage is only valid as long as we are on this Earth. It is recognized as any other marriage, but it doesn't have the eternal holding power that a "sealing" does. A "sealing" is a marriage ceremony held inside the temple that creates a bond between the husband, wife and their offspring that will last through eternity. It is kind of like a chain being wrapped around a family and tying them together forever (for lack of a better phrase.)

The reason that your friend may have struggled with having non-LDS friends is that we are often counciled to avoid any "negative" or non-gospel oriented temptations and influences. Perhaps your friend didn't feel strong enough in her convictions that she could resist the differences in your lifestyles? I'm not saying you were a heathen by any stretch, but for a lot of members, something as simple as sitting at a dinner table with someone using profanity or consuming alcohol is inapporpriate. We each have our own limits, and often times(especially when someone is first bapitized) they only want to surround themselves with those that are fully into the gospel and living their lives as gospel centered as possible. She also may have been hurt that you didn't find the truth in the gospel that she did, and was worried you may look at her differently. I don't personally struggle with having non-LDS friends as I have made what I deem acceptable and non-acceptable very clear and most of my friends understand and respect my wishes. Those that haven't, I must admit, I have distanced myself from, simply because our lifestyles don't coincide (i.e. they like to hang out and drink at bars and night clubs, I don't enjoy that because I don't drink, I feel that most of the music played at the nightclubs is inappropriate and I don't agree with the type of dancing either, but if my non-member friends called and asked me to come over and play board games or something, then sure, I'd go!) The place that I encounter issues is with my DH's family members that are not members (and actually there is only one sibling of his that we have an issue with, and that's because he totally hates the church, thinks we are a cult, etc.)

Interesting. When I was in school, one of my friends was LDS (he was born into it). I hung out with him and his wife quite a bit. It may have helped that I don't drink and have always had a fairly "sedate" lifestyle, but I got along with them quie well. Mostly, we went to each other's apartments, rented old movies, played board games, cooked dinners. Typical student stuff. Religion never came up in our conversations.

[BTB]

I'm not always good at phrasing things, but I truly mean no disrespect. I've long been curious about the concept of 'sealing' and, as a Christian myself, have been taught that while husbands and wives will recognize each other in heaven and love each other as all God's children will love each other, that earthly marriages will no longer exist and that we will all be the bride of Christ.

In Christ's answer to the Sadducees "riddle" of seven brothers: You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures, or the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. (Matthew 22:29-30)

What is the LDS teaching on the relationship of non-sealed spouses in heaven vs. sealed spouses? Do sealed spouses share quarters in heaven? Do they have a sexual relationship?

I hate to hijack a thread intended for fellowship, so feel free to ignore this if you'd rather - I've got a thick enough skin. :D

[saathei]

Interesting. When I was in school, one of my friends was LDS (he was born into it). I hung out with him and his wife quite a bit. It may have helped that I don't drink and have always had a fairly "sedate" lifestyle, but I got along with them quie well. Mostly, we went to each other's apartments, rented old movies, played board games, cooked dinners. Typical student stuff. Religion never came up in our conversations.
I think it helps that he was born into it. A lot of new converts (my self included) can be rather overzealous when they first join, which can alienate their non-member friends. People who were born into the church tend to be a lot more even-keeled.

ETA: x-posted w/ BTB - not ignoring you!

[LyLMyssChaos]

I'm not always good at phrasing things, but I truly mean no disrespect. I've long been curious about the concept of 'sealing' and, as a Christian myself, have been taught that while husbands and wives will recognize each other in heaven and love each other as all God's children will love each other, that earthly marriages will no longer exist and that we will all be the bride of Christ.

In Christ's answer to the Sadducees "riddle" of seven brothers: You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures, or the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. (Matthew 22:29-30)

What is the LDS teaching on the relationship of non-sealed spouses in heaven vs. sealed spouses? Do sealed spouses share quarters in heaven? Do they have a sexual relationship?


Here is what I found being said so much better than I can say it by W. John Walsh (http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/response/qa/eternal_marriage.htm) :
Latter-day Saints believe that the faithful will live in family units in Heaven. We believe that this world is patterned after the Heavenly world, and we are simply practicing in this life that which will be eternally enjoyed.
Matthew 22:30: "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven."it does not say matrimonial relationships do not exist in Heaven, but that no one marries in Heaven. Latter-day Saints do not believe that anyone actually marries in Heaven. We believe marriage is an earthly ordinance and must be done here. We believe those who were sealed in the Temple here on earth, and live faithful to their covenants with God, continue their family relationships in Heaven.
We believe that if you to choose to wait until after the resurrection to seek eternal marriage, it is too late and you will spend eternity as a serving angel. For those who did not have the opportunity for eternal marriage in mortality, God will make allowances. Therefore, LDS beliefs are in accordance with this interpretation of scripture. However, there is additional evidence of the concept of eternal marriage contained within the Bible. It is important to recognize that one verse of scripture does not define all eternal truth. To properly understand the scriptures, it is crucial that we bring all relevant passages into the discussion so that our understanding is placed into proper context.

Let's start at the beginning, with Adam and Eve. "And the LORD God said, [It is] not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him." (Genesis 2:18) Here the Lord God makes a declarative statement that not only is marriage acceptable, but it is good. To remain single and alone is not good (evil). Does heaven contain good or evil things? If heaven contains good things, then it must contained married couples, since marriage has been defined by God himself as good. Also, our first parents were married by God in the Garden of Eden. Remember that before they partook of the fruit, there was no death. Therefore, when God married them, he intended for them to stay married forever, which is clear Biblical support for the concept of eternal marriage. "I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever:" (Ecclesiastes 3:14) What did Jesus say about marriage? "Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder." (Matthew 19:6)

But due to the effects of the Fall, death entered into the world. It is true that except for an atonement, Adam and Eve would have been forever separated from each other and from God. However, there was an Atonement made by Jesus Christ that overcame the effects of the Fall. If the Atonement is not powerful enough to restore the eternal marriage of Adam and Eve, then it is not infinite and eternal. In which case, no one has any hope of salvation because an infinite and eternal atonement was not made. Furthermore, if the atonement was not powerful enough to restore the eternal marriage of Adam and Eve, then that means the purposes of God have been frustrated eternally, since he intended from the beginning for them to be eternally married. But it is my testimony that the Atonement of Jesus Christ was infinite and eternal, and because of it, the promise of salvation and eternal marriage is extended to all. We will all be resurrected. Those who became "one flesh" through eternal marriage will rise in the resurrection as one flesh, even eternally married.

As final point on Matthew 22:30, please keep in mind that Christ is addressing this statement of doctrine to the Sadducees. Jesus made his response to the Sadducees after they asked him the trick question concerning the brothers and the woman. Remember that the Sadducees did not believe in the resurrection, immortality, or eternal marriage. His answer to them must be understood in that context.

Before someone learns advanced gospel principles, like eternal marriage, it is necessary for him to master the basic ones like the resurrection. "For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which [be] the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat." (Hebrews 5:12) Before one understands the basic principles, a person is not capable of understanding, much less appreciating, the precious pearls of the gospel. "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you." (Matthew 7:6) It is clear from these Biblical passages that Jesus did not believe that all things should be taught to all people.

Because the Sadducees rejected the simple doctrine of the resurrection, there was no need to explain the advanced doctrine of eternal marriage, for how can one accept the realities of resurrected life before one accepts the resurrection itself? Considering how unreceptive his audience was to the basic concept, Jesus decided that this was not the appropriate time to give a full discourse on this precious pearl. This understanding of scriptural development is understood by both Jews and Christians alike. For example, Jewish theologians have struggled to explain why there is no clear teaching about the resurrection and afterlife in the Old Testament. Moses Maimonides, one of the most famous Jewish medieval philosophers, answered the question this way:

"Simply put, the answer is that the people of that age were not ready to accept that doctrine. They did not believe in miracles and in prophecy, only in the predictable course of nature. Teaching them about the miracle of resurrection would have led to its rejection and even to the rejection of revelation as a whole." (Summary of Maimonides’ explanation as found in Gillman, N., The Death of Death: Resurrection and Immortality in Jewish Thought. Vermont: Jewish Lights, 1997, p. 162.)

It is absolutely true that the doctrine of eternal marriage is ambiguously taught in the Bible. This is one of the reasons the latter-day Restoration of the Gospel was needed, along with it's clarified prophetic teachings. However, there are strong implicit teachings on eternal marriage in the Bible if one studies that sacred work in totality and context.

[karlatta]

Screen Name: Karlatta
Real Name: Karla
Location: Houston
Marital Status: Married, 6/8/02
Children: Anna, miscarried January 2005
Membership Status: Convert, baptized 1/25/1998
Current calling: Enrichment Instructor
Any concerns/struggles that you may have: None really. I'm not always as good at reading scriptures and praying as I know I should be, but I don't think there's anything major to deal with.

[mrsface]

Screen Name: Mrsface
Real Name: Andrea
Location: Salt Lake
Marital Status: Married 10/03, sealed 10/04
Children: Eventually
Membership Status: Member all my life, DH as well. Both our families are very active, too
Current Calling: Primary Chorister :D :D :D Best calling in the church!
Any Concerns / Struggles: Like several of you I have a hard time doing the little things ~ scripture study etc... I really need to be better and more diligent...


You'll have to forgive me if I don't post often- I'm more of a lurker and I never know what to say... But, I'm here and I'll try to come out of my shell more.

Andrea

[BTB]

Thanks for that perspective! Second question, if I may: I noticed in your 'sign-ups' that those who are sealed, undertook that a year or two after the civil marriage. Is there a certain waiting period of sorts, or could you be civilly wed and sealed the same day? Is there a time period after which you couldn't (i.e., you've been married x number of years, you can't be sealed anymore?) Is it frowned upon to be married and not sealed? Do those who aren't sealed choose not to be, or do they not meet requirements (are there requirements?)

So many questions. :o

ETA another: if you're sealed, do you celebrate both anniversaries? Is there a difference in how you celebrate?

And the question I'm dying to ask, hoping it's not too rude: I've heard at a sealing ceremony, the bride and groom are naked in front of their families. Heard a second rumor that no, it's not really naked, it's a skin-colored spandex-type garment. Can I ask what you wore at your sealing if you undertook one? Are you allowed to say what happens at a sealing (readings? singing?) Is there really a hall of mirrors in each direction you can lean into and see 'forever'? What happens to the sealing if a couple gets a civil divorce (does that happen?)

I guess all "newlyweds" (cough, cough) are perenially curious about all things wedding. :D

[LyLMyssChaos]

Thanks for that perspective! Second question, if I may: I noticed in your 'sign-ups' that those who are sealed, undertook that a year or two after the civil marriage. Is there a certain waiting period of sorts, or could you be civilly wed and sealed the same day? Is there a time period after which you couldn't (i.e., you've been married x number of years, you can't be sealed anymore?) Is it frowned upon to be married and not sealed? Do those who aren't sealed choose not to be, or do they not meet requirements (are there requirements?)

So many questions. :o

Don't be embarassed, I would much rather people ask us about our religion and give us a chance to explain it, than to assume they know all about it and be misinformed. So onto your questions:
1) Yes there is a waiting period of at least 1 year between a civil marriage and a sealing. So no, you cannot be civilly married and sealed on the same day. You can however just have the one sealing ceremony(which is most common) and follow it with a reception, like a "regular" wedding.
2) There is no time limit to when you can get sealed. Both people must hold current temple recommends and be "worthy of completing the ordinances."
3) I would not say so much that being married and not sealed is frowned upon, it just isn't the "norm." It is strongly encouraged that we forego civil ceremonies all together and just have a sealing. But in order to have a sealing, both people must be church members who are "endowed" and have a current temple recommend(meeting the requirements to enter the temple.) In order to have a current temple recommend you must be a member for at least a year. You will often see "civil marriages" when a member marries someone that is a non-member, or is a newly baptized member and they don't want to wait to get married, or when one party in the relationship is not "temple worthy." We had a civil ceremony for 3 reasons; I was not baptized until the day after our wedding, my husband had not yet received his endowments and since I come from a non-member family, I really wanted them to experience my wedding, so I had a civil wedding with all of the pomp and circumstance for them and a sealing ceremony (which is much more spiritual and "plain") for my husband, my DD (because she was born before we were sealed, she had to be sealed to us, where as my DS, who was born after we were sealed was born "into the covenant" which means he was sealed to us just by being born as long as we uphold our covenants) and myself.
4) Those that are not sealed can be that way for many reasons, the most common being(to my knowledge); choosing not to have the ordinance and not being "temple worthy."

[saathei]

Thanks for that perspective! Second question, if I may: I noticed in your 'sign-ups' that those who are sealed, undertook that a year or two after the civil marriage. Is there a certain waiting period of sorts, or could you be civilly wed and sealed the same day? Is there a time period after which you couldn't (i.e., you've been married x number of years, you can't be sealed anymore?) Is it frowned upon to be married and not sealed? Do those who aren't sealed choose not to be, or do they not meet requirements (are there requirements?)
Those of us that put "married in the temple" were legally married and sealed upon the same day. For those of us who weren't, there was some reason the person couldn't go to the temple, period. In Tiffany's case, she wasn't a baptized member the day she was married (you have to be a member a year before you can go to the temple). If you choose to just have a civil wedding, you also need to wait a year (this usually happens if a person commits a big enough sin that they're not permitted to enter the temple). There's no time limit on getting sealed.

It's kind of odd to be married and not sealed (that is, after you meet that year mark). Sometimes there's a good reason for it - if you've been divorced, there's a lot of red tape you have to go through to be sealed again, and some people just don't want to deal with it. Sometimes widows/widowers will choose not to be sealed because they only want to be sealed to their first spouse. Sometimes the couple's not sure the marriage will last. There are a few different reasons, but I tihnk most people assume the last until told otherwise.

ETA another: if you're sealed, do you celebrate both anniversaries? Is there a difference in how you celebrate?

Someone else will have to answer this, since I was married in the temple.

And the question I'm dying to ask, hoping it's not too rude: I've heard at a sealing ceremony, the bride and groom are naked in front of their families. Heard a second rumor that no, it's not really naked, it's a skin-colored spandex-type garment. Can I ask what you wore at your sealing if you undertook one? Are you allowed to say what happens at a sealing (readings? singing?) Is there really a hall of mirrors in each direction you can lean into and see 'forever'?
*Giggle* Actually, when a couple is sealed, they wear even MORE clothes than you see at normal weddings. The woman wears a dress and the man wears a shirt and pants, both of which are wrist-length and ankle length. We wear the temple robes over the dress and a veil (which are plain white as well). The sealing ceremony is short and simple - usually the one performing the ceremony will give some words of advice to the couple. Then he performs the ceremony, which consists of asking each person if they will promise to keep their covenants, and then listing the blessings they can expect by maintaining those covenants. And that's it - no readings or singing or processional or anything.

Yes, there is a hall of mirrors - actually, they're on either side of the altar, so while you are kneeling at the altar you see your reflection repeated endlessly. That was my favorite part. :)

[LyLMyssChaos]

ETA another: if you're sealed, do you celebrate both anniversaries? Is there a difference in how you celebrate?

And the question I'm dying to ask, hoping it's not too rude: I've heard at a sealing ceremony, the bride and groom are naked in front of their families. Heard a second rumor that no, it's not really naked, it's a skin-colored spandex-type garment. Can I ask what you wore at your sealing if you undertook one? Are you allowed to say what happens at a sealing (readings? singing?) Is there really a hall of mirrors in each direction you can lean into and see 'forever'? What happens to the sealing if a couple gets a civil divorce (does that happen?)

I guess all "newlyweds" (cough, cough) are perenially curious about all things wedding. :D

We celebrate both, but only because we want to.

And NO WE ARE NOT NAKED IN THE TEMPLE!! :eek: LOL Thank you for asking though. This is a huge falsehood that I just crack up at everytime I hear it. Did you hear that we clog around the altar as well?? LOL I actually wore something very similar to this dress when I was sealed:
http://www.totallymodest.com/td/princessa.jpg
And as far as what happens at a sealing, basically we just make convenants to each other and with our Heavenly Father, much like "vows" in a "regular" wedding. It is a very spiritual loving ceremony that does not involve anything other than what you can expect at a "standard wedding."
If a couple gets a divorce, they can ask to have their sealing disolved, which to my understanding is much like an annulment(sp?)

[saathei]

If a couple gets a divorce, they can ask to have their sealing disolved, which to my understanding is much like an annulment(sp?)
The thing is, though, they can only get it annulled if they are marrying someone else in the temple. The reasoning is that you get certain blessings by being sealed to someone, and they want you to keep getting those blessings even if you're divorced. I'm not sure I entirely agree with that reasoning, but there it is.

[maxandmolly]

Wait, I'm confused. If you have to be civilly married for a year before bieng sealed, how can you be married and sealed on the same day? I'm lost.
I never knew there were naked temple rumors! That would certainly make for an interesting ceremony! ;) The only thing I was told was that everyone who is allowed in the temple wears all white any time they go to the temple- is that part correct?

[LyLMyssChaos]

Wait, I'm confused. If you have to be civilly married for a year before bieng sealed, how can you be married and sealed on the same day? I'm lost.
I never knew there were naked temple rumors! That would certainly make for an interesting ceremony! ;) The only thing I was told was that everyone who is allowed in the temple wears all white any time they go to the temple- is that part correct?

If you are married in the temple, you don't have to have a seperate ceremony. The church's "real" wedding ceremony is the sealing ceremony, but they do allow for civil marriages, so that people who were married before they were members, or marry non-members, etc. can still have their marriage recognized by the church. You only need to have a seperate ceremony if you choose to have a civil ceremony. And yes, once you are in the temple we wear all white clothing.

[saathei]

Wait, I'm confused. If you have to be civilly married for a year before bieng sealed, how can you be married and sealed on the same day? I'm lost.
I never knew there were naked temple rumors! That would certainly make for an interesting ceremony! ;) The only thing I was told was that everyone who is allowed in the temple wears all white any time they go to the temple- is that part correct?

You can be married in the temple, without a civil ceremony outside the temple, and the ceremony is legal for civil purposes and is a sealing for spiritual purposes. It's only if you are married for legal purposes outside the temple that you have to wait a year. Does that make sense?

Yes, we wear white whenever we are in the temple, much like the dressd that LylMissChaos posted. :)

Gosh darn it, I keep cross posting with you, TiffanY!

[LyLMyssChaos]

The thing is, though, they can only get it annulled if they are marrying someone else in the temple. The reasoning is that you get certain blessings by being sealed to someone, and they want you to keep getting those blessings even if you're divorced. I'm not sure I entirely agree with that reasoning, but there it is.

Thanks for the clarification, I forgot to put that part! LOL :o

[maxandmolly]

Ok, so I'm a long time member, he's a long time member, we decide we really like each other, we both have all the things we need to get in to the temple. We get married and sealed all in one shot, right?
I'm a member, he's converting, we do the civil ceremony, he gets all his stuff done, we can get sealed a year later, right?
Think I got it now. V. confusing.

[LyLMyssChaos]

Ok, so I'm a long time member, he's a long time member, we decide we really like each other, we both have all the things we need to get in to the temple. We get married and sealed all in one shot, right?
I'm a member, he's converting, we do the civil ceremony, he gets all his stuff done, we can get sealed a year later, right?
Think I got it now. V. confusing.

You got it!! :D And you are right, it can be very confusing!

[gayle]

Hi everyone, I am subscribing just because I find learning about different faith's fascinating.

It's nice to see that you ladies don't mind honest questions, and I will certainly be respectful of your views when I ask questions.

I had heard that "naked" for sealing rumor too, but I just blew it off as rumor. It just didn't seem like something ANY faith would do in a temple :)

[ysolde]

The uncomfirmed rumor I have heard about sealing ceremonies is that the couple gets anointed with oil from some sort of horn????

Hey, I'm Episcopalian, and we get anointed with oil for all sorts of reasons. Horns, not so much :D

[AttyGrl74]

(Because I hear Beth chatting about it a lot and it sounds *cool*... AND there is a dress store near the local LDS church called "Celestial Bride") What is the "Celestial Room"?

In my head (and I haven't the foggiest idea) - it is a round room with a rotunda painted with clouds where ceremonies take place.

Please don't think I'm being disrespectful - I'm just really curious!

[gayle]

"Hey, I'm Episcopalian, and we get anointed with oil for all sorts of reasons. Horns, not so much "

I was raised in the Episcopal church as well Ysolde :)

[ysolde]

"Hey, I'm Episcopalian, and we get anointed with oil for all sorts of reasons. Horns, not so much "

I was raised in the Episcopal church as well Ysolde :)

It's a good church, in many ways.

[mrsface]

(Because I hear Beth chatting about it a lot and it sounds *cool*... AND there is a dress store near the local LDS church called "Celestial Bride") What is the "Celestial Room"?

In my head (and I haven't the foggiest idea) - it is a round room with a rotunda painted with clouds where ceremonies take place.

Please don't think I'm being disrespectful - I'm just really curious!


Not disrepectful at all.

The Celestial Room is a room in the temple representing the Celestial Kingdom-the highest degree of heaven. Each temple is decorated differently, but they are all beautiful. It's a room where we go to feel close to God, to receive inspiration and answers to prayer. No actual ceremonies take place in the Celestial Room- there are chapels, sealing rooms, fonts etc where different ceremonies are performed.

Celestial Rooms (http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/basic/temples/tour_celestial.htm)

I don't think this is a church sponsored link, but the info on this page is correct and there are pictures of some different Celestial Rooms. They are so beautiful!

[gayle]

Yes, it is Ysolde! Works well for a liberal like myself, though I am not all that active anymore.

I got to see the San Diego LDS Temple when it first opened and they allowed the public in to tour it. I have to say, it really is spectacular. Quite stunning.

[ysolde]

Wow! Those Celestial Rooms are beautiful!

[maxandmolly]

Wow, no wonder my friend from college came back from Utah absolutely in love with the temples there! Those really are some spectacular rooms! Who wouldn't feel inspired in a room like that?

[PinkMartini]

Member Info

Screen Name: PinkMartini
Real Name: Summer
Location: California
Marital Status: Engaged 1/10/04... Married sometime soon
Children: No children
Membership Status: Convert, Not yet baptised (will be once we're married)
Anything else you want to share: My fh was raised LDS and I had never heard of the religion prior to meeting him. In taking an interest in his life I learned about the church and began taking lessons. I've taken the lessons 3 times now in hopes of being extra prepared for being able to be baptised once we are married. I can't believe I've lived my life thus far without the church in it.
Any concerns/struggles that you may have: I'm having issues getting my fh to go to church. I work retail and usually work on Sundays so if I'm not home he won't go.

[eponymous]

I don't have anything to add, but I wanted to be honest and say that I would be lurking along. I've had an interest in the LDS church since reading several of Orson Scott Card's books that are based either directly on the history of the LDS or the Book of Mormon. There's a lot that I like about the church, but I was really turned off by the rhetoric in the teaching materials for Young Ladies that I read last week.

PS - I've never heard the "naked" thing before, although I had heard that the sealing ceremory might involve reenacting the story of Adam and Eve.

[mrsface]

Kitlyn~
Lurk away! I love Orson Scott Card- Ender's Game is one of my favorite books ever.

Not to be impertinent, but may I ask what it was that disturbed you?

[eponymous]

I realized after I logged off that saying that the Young Ladies' curriculum disturbed me could be taken as insulting or challenging your beliefs, and I totally didn't mean it that way: just that there were several things between me and converting, and this issue is one of them.

(I'm tried hard to phrase this: not sure I did it well.) I was uneasy at the emphasis in the curriculum on learning to be a good housewife and mother, although I appreciated the focus on health, education, and sprituality. It doesn't fit my beliefs to teach my (hypothetical) daughter that being a housewife and mother are the most important aspirations/choices in life. There's seems - to me - to be a conflict between that curriculum and the other statements regarding gender relations made by the LDS church literature.

I thought of more sealing questions while I was away. :) What happens if a spouse dies between a civil marriage and an intended sealing? And what happens if a widow/widower who was sealed to their first spouse is also sealed to their second spouse? Does the Kingdom of Heaven have suites available for complicated family structures? :) (That last bit was intended to be funny. Not sure if the non-LDS should be trying to make jokes in here, though...)

ETA: Ender's Game is my absolute favorite books. I've enjoyed most of his books, although I've always prefered the Homecoming series to Alvin Maker, although I suspect I'm missing a grea deal in both by not being familiar with the Book of Mormon.

[LDS Angel 19]

This thread is booming, yay!

Not much to add here, we went to the temple tonight and I'm in a little bit of a spiritual haze. But I'll be back in the morning to see if I can help out with some of these questions.

[saathei]

I'm not a huge fan of the Young Women's curriculum either, at least the part that emphasizes homemaking. Honestly, I think it's worst in the young married wards (congregations consisting only of college students who've been recently married). When O & I were first married, the girls in my Relief Society were total homemaking Nazis, saying if you sent your kids to daycare it was as good as giving them away. :eek: Thankfully, regular wards made of real people (and not just starry-eyed inexperienced newlyweds) are more grounded. Most of the women I know at church work outside the home.

However, the youth curriculum also places a big emphasis on education, so a fairly high percentage of people (even girls planning on being homemakers) will at least get a two-year degree.

PS - I've never heard the "naked" thing before, although I had heard that the sealing ceremory might involve reenacting the story of Adam and Eve.
The sealing ceremony doesn't, but our endowment ceremony does. (And to tie it in to previous questions, the celestial room is where the endowment ceremony finishes up.)

I thought of more sealing questions while I was away. :) What happens if a spouse dies between a civil marriage and an intended sealing? And what happens if a widow/widower who was sealed to their first spouse is also sealed to their second spouse? Does the Kingdom of Heaven have suites available for complicated family structures? :) (That last bit was intended to be funny. Not sure if the non-LDS should be trying to make jokes in here, though...)

Man, no wonder it seems complicated - you guys are asking complicated questions! ;)

If a spouse dies between a civil marriage and a sealing, I believe the living spouse can be sealed to them by proxy.

If a widow/widower was sealed to their first spouse and chooses to be sealed to their second spouse, he/she will be sealed to the both of them. There's plenty of room for complicated family structures - we were the polygamy folks, remember? ;):D

[T&M'sMommy]

Thanks for clearing up some of my confusion. I went to a funeral for a woman that was Mormon. The person doing the service talked about eternal families and then they sang a song on eternal families and being sealed in the eyes of God. I was very lost...

My question: What is the church's stance on birth control? My friend is mormon and has 6 brothers and sisters. Almost all of her sibs have kids or are pregnant.

[LyLMyssChaos]

My question: What is the church's stance on birth control? My friend is mormon and has 6 brothers and sisters. Almost all of her sibs have kids or are pregnant.

Ah yes, it is quite common to see VERY large families in our church. Just to give you an example, my son is the youngest of 18 grandchildren for my IL's and we are just getting started on our family. LOL Each of my DH's siblings that are active in the church have at least 4 children. :) We do have a large emphasis on families and bringing Heavenly Father's spirit children to their Earthly bodies, but I have never heard anyone say that we cannot use birth control. I think that the "official" declaration is that the use of birth control is best left up to the couple and the Lord. IIRC, there is even something in a manual that says ""the decision as to how many children to have and when to have them is extremely intimate and private and should be left between the couple and the Lord."


I am so excited that this thread has taken off and so many of you ladies are interested in learning the truth about our church instead of just taking the hearsay and making it be the truth. I really appreciate that you have kept things in the appropriate manner and have allowed for intelligent, adult conversation. We really do have a great group of ladies on this board.

[mrsface]

My question: What is the church's stance on birth control? My friend is mormon and has 6 brothers and sisters. Almost all of her sibs have kids or are pregnant.

As far as I am aware, the church doesn't really have a stance on birth control. I have been told that family planning should be between a husband, wife and God. That being said, we believe that families are an essential part of God's plan for us so many people want to start them sooner, rather than later.

[BTB]

Ok, now I'm itching to ask... what's an endowment ceremony? And where does the "CC Relief Society" title come from?

[PinkMartini]

Hmmmm maybe I shouldn't be reading this thread... I love hearing the answers to the questions I've had (being an investigator) but I've always been told not to 'search' out the convenants that you do in the temple. I know there's a wealth of information about what goes on in the temple on the internet, but I've been told not to look that up or 'want to know' what goes on prior to being able to go..... :confused: It seems like you ladies are explaining in detail what happens, what do you think? Should I quit reading?

[mrsface]

Don't worry PinkMartini- we won't get into details.....

BTB~
An endowment ceremony is where we make very sacred covenants. It's too sacred to really discuss- I hope you'll understand.

Relief Society is the Women's organization in the church- nothing too obscure there....

ETA: It's getting late and I'm not articulating very well. I'll be back tomorrow to elaborate.

[LDS Angel 19]

Good Morning ladies-

PinkMartini- Don't worry, you'll be just fine here in this thread.

The Endowment Ceremony- People explain it lots of ways. To me, it's like spiritual school. As we go through the ceremony we learn about the creation, the fall of Adam, and the afterlife. And like regular school, if you're not properly prepared when you go, you may not learn as much as if you had been prepared.

[bciob22]

I also would like to thank those who are asking questions for their respect and sincere interest in those answers. I sincerely hope no one gets offend if some of those questions/myths are met with on-line giggles we mean no disrespect, we are laughing at the question not the questioner (does that make sense?)

To the Sisters I too am so thankful this is moving along. I can feel a spirit.

[Quartercentury]

Is it true that the Endowment Ceremony involves watching a film? Is there "user participation" or just a film?

(Forgive me if this seems way off base, but you know... the things you read on the internet!)

[LyLMyssChaos]

I just opened my email and I found a few things that really hit me as inspirational and I want to share them with my sisters:

Claiming Blessings That Can Be Ours
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"Sometimes we just lose our focus and drift away. Sometimes we have
our feelings hurt or some other problem occurs. It all ends up the same,
and we fail to claim the blessings that can be ours. Pride, distrust,
deceit, discouragement, and many kinds of sin can be removed by a change in
our hearts and by following the path that the Savior has shown us. . . .
The Savior has paid our ransom. He loves each of us and reaches out to all
who will come and follow Him."
--Elder Ned B. Roueché, "Feed My Sheep," Ensign, Nov. 2004, 30

Forgiving Others Frees Us to Progress
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"When we forgive and let go of that which has weighed heavily on our
hearts and taken us off the path, a great burden is lifted from our souls,
and we are free--free to move forward and progress in our pursuit
of the gospel of Jesus Christ with an increase of love in our hearts. We
will be blessed with an increase of enthusiasm for life, and our hearts
will be lighter. A surge of spiritual energy will propel us forward in joy
and happiness. The problems of the past will be cast away like old,
worn-out clothes."
-- Elder Ned B. Roueché, "Feed My Sheep," Ensign, Nov. 2004, 30-31

The Home Should Be a Sanctuary
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"Our homes should be among the most hallowed of all earthly
sanctuaries.

"In the enriching of marriage the big things are
the little things. It is a constant appreciation for each other and a
thoughtful demonstration of gratitude. It is the encouraging and the
helping of each other to grow. Marriage is a joint quest for the good, the
beautiful, and the divine.

"The Savior has said, 'Behold, I
stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door,
I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.' (Rev.
3:20.)"
--President James E. Faust, "The Enriching of Marriage," Ensign, Nov. 1977, 11

I totally ADORE James E. Faust. He is such an awesome speaker and gives me so much inspiration. I also really am fond of Tom L. Perry. I saw him speak at our ward building a few years ago, shook his hand and got to talk with a little bit, and he was such a warm and caring person. I could really feel the spirit dwelling in his presence and I could feel how deeply he really cared for me. I really think meeting him helped to solidify my testimony on the truthfullness of our prophets being inspired. He said things to me that just, I don't know how he knew (well, I do know, but hopefully you get what I'm saying) but he said things that I just really needed to hear about things that he would have no way of knowing if he had not been divinely inspired.

[LDS Angel 19]

Is it true that the Endowment Ceremony involves watching a film? Is there "user participation" or just a film?

(Forgive me if this seems way off base, but you know... the things you read on the internet!)

Yes there is a film, and yes, it stops periodically for participation.

[LyLMyssChaos]

Is it true that the Endowment Ceremony involves watching a film? Is there "user participation" or just a film?

(Forgive me if this seems way off base, but you know... the things you read on the internet!)

Your question is not off base at all. However, I am unable to answer your question as we deem the details of our temple ceremonies to be extremely sacred and we have been cautioned against discussing them outside of the temple walls("While we make reference to washings and anointings, sealings and endowments, we do not discuss the details."--Elder Packer, The Holy Temple, 29.)
I hope you are not offended by my answer, but our practices and beliefs have been the subject of ridicule and persecution since our start and what happens in the temple is of the most sacred nature to us. We don't mind discussing generalities, but to get into specifics of what happens at the temple would cause us to break a covenant that we made when we went through our endowment session, and those covenants are extremely important to our spiritual health.
(I hope I described that in a way that is understood and not on the defensive! :) )

ETA: Nevamind! Michelle and I crossposted! LOL ;)

[saathei]

Is it true that the Endowment Ceremony involves watching a film? Is there "user participation" or just a film?
It used to be that everything was done with live actors, and they would interact with the people participating in the ceremony. You can imagine how much manpower that takes, though, if you are trying to start endowment sessions every 20 minutes and you need 8 actors for each one, not to mention the space required. So when the technology became available, they switched from using live actors to using films. Almost every temple uses the films nowadays, with the exceptions being the temples in Salt Lake and Manti, UT.

ETA: Crossposted with everybody. :p You can tell which thread WE'RE all watching!

[gayle]

I respect what you are saying LyllMyss. Would it be possible instead to let us know what the purpose of the endowment ceremony is, in general terms?

For example, Christians are babtized for the repentance of sin. So, LDS are endowed for (what?)

I hope that is general enough and that it would be OK to share what the purpose and or meaning is, rather than any temple cermony or proceedure which needs to not be discussed.

Hope I phrased that ok :)

[Quartercentury]

Thanks for all your answers about the Endowment!

Is it something you do more than once in your life? Or just a single sacrement?

[LyLMyssChaos]

I respect what you are saying LyllMyss. Would it be possible instead to let us know what the purpose of the endowment ceremony is, in general terms?

For example, Christians are babtized for the repentance of sin. So, LDS are endowed for (what?)

I hope that is general enough and that it would be OK to share what the purpose and or meaning is, rather than any temple cermony or proceedure which needs to not be discussed.


You phrased it just fine. I hope this answers your questions:
Your endowment is, to receive all those ordinances in the house of the Lord, which are necessary for you, after you have departed this life, to enable you to walk back to the presence of the Father, passing the angels who stand as sentinels, being enabled to give them the key words, the signs and tokens, pertaining to the holy Priesthood, and gain your eternal exaltation in spite of earth and hell.
--Discourses of Brigham Young, 416. Elder Packer, The Holy Temple, 153

The Temple Endowment, as administered in modern Temples, comprises instruction relating to the significance and sequence of past dispensations, and the importance of the present as the greatest and grandest era in human history. This course of instruction includes a recital of the most prominent events of the creative period, the condition of our first parents in the Garden of Eden, their disobedience and consequent expulsion from that blissful abode, their condition in the lone and dreary world when doomed to live by labor and sweat, the plan of redemption by which the great transgression may be atoned, the period of the great apostasy, the restoration of the Gospel with all its ancient powers and privileges, the absolute and indispensable condition of personal purity and devotion to the right in present life, and a strict compliance with Gospel requirements.
--The House of the Lord, pages 99-100.

Both quotes can be found in Elder Packer's The Holy Temple, p.154

[LyLMyssChaos]

Thanks for all your answers about the Endowment!

Is it something you do more than once in your life? Or just a single sacrement?

You do it one time for yourself, but can return to do the ordinance by proxy for someone that has passed on and didn't have the opportunity to do it themselves.

[LyLMyssChaos]

I believe I have all of the member's info updated on the first page, please check to make sure I have it correct. If I missed anyone, please let me know!!

[mrsface]

I am really enjoying the discussion we're having here. The ladies of CC are so great! Thanks for your questions and respect.

So, are you sisters getting excited for General Conference? I am a little bummed- we are flying to Florida on Sunday, so we'll miss those two sessions. We didn't think about that when booking our tickets. Ooops. But, we'll record it so we can watch when we get back.

There is a rumor flying around these parts that they are going to get rid of Sunday School and move to a 2 hour block, instead of 3. The logic behind the tale is that we can't build enough chapels to hold everyone, so if meetings were only 2 hours they could fit more wards in a building... Interesting stuff. I don't think I buy it, but I've heard a number of people talking about it.

Anyway, I just thought I'd share the latest rumors and rumblings and see if any of you have heard that too.

[gayle]

LyllMyss said
"You do it one time for yourself, but can return to do the ordinance by proxy for someone that has passed on and didn't have the opportunity to do it themselves."

Would this include baptism after death? I have always been curious about this, but know very little about it, except that it is my understanding LDS do this.

Sorry to throw so many questions at you, but it's all really interesting :)

[maxandmolly]

Wow, this is all so interesting to me. I knew the very sketchy outlines of the LDS faith from my college friend, and the CEO of my old company (fun guy, had 8 kids- from 13 to 27......and a ONE year old, born 3 days before...or after?, their first grandbaby-can you imagine?), but I understand now why the need for your very own seperate thread- you have quite a few customs, ceremonies and such that seem to be substantially different from 'average' or more 'typical' (or mainstream, is that the word I'm looking for? I think you know what I'm getting at) Christian faiths.
Anyway, I'll continue lurking along!

[mrsface]

LyllMyss said
"You do it one time for yourself, but can return to do the ordinance by proxy for someone that has passed on and didn't have the opportunity to do it themselves."

Would this include baptism after death? I have always been curious about this, but know very little about it, except that it is my understanding LDS do this.

Sorry to throw so many questions at you, but it's all really interesting :)

We are happy to answer your questions- it is a nice opportunity to debunk some myths...

Yes, we believe in baptism for the dead. We believe that there are certain important 'steps' each person must take in order to reach our full potential in heaven. 'Steps' like baptism, the endowment etc... People who have died without to opportunity to do those things themselves are unable to progress because of it, so we do their work by proxy.

We don't dig people up and baptize their corpses or anything like that. We are able to act as surrogates and do the things they were unable to do in life. I've heard of people finding it presumptuous that we want every single person in the history of mankind to be baptized, but we believe that they, the dead, need the opportunity to be baptized etc... They have the choice whether or not they accept it.

I hope this makes some sense and answers some questions.

[saathei]

Would this include baptism after death? I have always been curious about this, but know very little about it, except that it is my understanding LDS do this.
Yep! Baptism by proxy for the dead is another ordinance we do in our temples. We believe that baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation, but of course there have been many people who have died without the opportunity to be baptized. So we are baptized on their behalf, and then they can choose (as spirits) whether they want to accept it or not.

Yeah, x-posted as usual. :p

[BTB]

I hope this is okay to post - let me know if not and I will delete. (we are all so eggshelly, but I think only because we appreciate the willingness to answer questions and don't want to abuse it). :o

I read online that there is a second endowment, sometimes called a second anointing, that can be undertaken by invitation and leads to spending eternity in the highest part of heaven.

SECOND ANOINTING or SECOND ENDOWMENT

This ordinance is so rare that many good Mormons do not even know that it exists. It is done only by invitation from the president of the church, to one married couple at a time. It is performed in the Holy of Holies room of the temple by one of the apostles of the church. Those who receive this ordinance are guaranteed of their salvation and exaltation in the highest degree of the Celestial Kingdom. The man is anointed as "priest and king" (the wife is anointed "priestess and queen") and their "calling and election [to exaltation] is made sure." Part of the ceremony is performed by the couple in private in their own home, following instructions given during the temple ceremony, and includes the ceremonial washing of feet. One implication of the ceremony is that the recipients will have a personal visitation of Christ. In earlier days many devout Mormons received this ordinance, but since the 1920s it is extremely rare, and probably only given to those in high leadership positions in the church.

Is this true, or is this one of those things you read on the internet?

[saathei]

BTB - It is true, and there have been veiled references in some church writings... but as your text says, it is very rare, and I don't think any one of us here could really tell you what it's about.

[gayle]

"I've heard of people finding it presumptuous that we want every single person in the history of mankind to be baptized, but we believe that they, the dead, need the opportunity to be baptized etc... They have the choice whether or not they accept "

Yes, I kind of thought it presumptious too, but figured I didn't know enough about it to have any judgement on it.

So, how does one that has passed on, and is no longer conscious, have the ability to accept it or reject it? It's very curious to me.

And, thanks for debunking the corpse myth ( I didn't believe it in the first place, but thought it sounded so funny the way you phrased it :)

[QueenofCA]

I hope you all don't mind if I lurk here too! I'm friends with Saathei and LDS_Angel on LJ. Hearing them talk about their faith prompted me to learn more about it, and I have to say...I think the LDS view on marriage is awesome. I've read many of the articles on marriage that were posted on the main LDS website. I think the points they make about commitment, partnership, and family life are applicable to anyone of any faith, and to me, they make tons of sense.

So yeah, I just wanted to say hi and that I'm looking forward to learning more!

[saathei]

So, how does one that has passed on, and is no longer conscious, have the ability to accept it or reject it? It's very curious to me.
We believe that the dead are concious, but simply incorporeal. Not like ghosts - I mean, they can't affect us - but they are self aware and able to think and such.

Edit: *wave to QueenofCA*

[ysolde]

Is it true that LDS families have a "Family Night" once a week? If so, what is it?

[BTB]

Can I ask my million dollar question?

I understand and respect that there are topics deemed too sacred to discuss - not a problem. But then there's such incredibly detailed information about those same things on the internet - photos, diagrams, printed text of the ceremonies, etc. Where does this information come from? Why did it get released? Is there an official LDS website that contains reliable information?

[LDS Angel 19]

There is a rumor flying around these parts that they are going to get rid of Sunday School and move to a 2 hour block, instead of 3. The logic behind the tale is that we can't build enough chapels to hold everyone, so if meetings were only 2 hours they could fit more wards in a building... Interesting stuff. I don't think I buy it, but I've heard a number of people talking about it.

Interesting.... I'd be pretty shocked though.

For GC we're going over to LylMyss's to watch it on her satilite. Oddly, DH's aunt's bacholerette party is that saturday night... not sure if I'll go or not.

ETA: Dang, I cannot keep up with this thread! :D

[LDS Angel 19]

Can I ask my million dollar question?

I understand and respect that there are topics deemed too sacred to discuss - not a problem. But then there's such incredibly detailed information about those same things on the internet - photos, diagrams, printed text of the ceremonies, etc. Where does this information come from? Why did it get released? Is there an official LDS website that contains reliable information?

A lot of times it comes from former members. They release it because they don't respect the sacredness of it.
There is no official website. But I have heard that you can find the text at the Library of Congress. Not sure if thats true.

Forgive me if my answer dosen't really answer your question like you'd want, but this is an issue that can really upset me.

[LDS Angel 19]

Is it true that LDS families have a "Family Night" once a week? If so, what is it?

Yup. Generally on Monday nights. It's offically called "Family Home Evening" It normally includes a short gospel lesson or message, followed by a 'fun' activity. There's always refreshments. :D

[saathei]

Is it true that LDS families have a "Family Night" once a week? If so, what is it?
Yep! (At least, we're supposed to. ;) ) Family Home Evening usually consists of some kind of spiritual lesson followed by just spending time together as a family (playing games, baking cookies, etc.) The idea is that we are so involved with other things that we need to take time to be together as a family (even Sundays are often filled with a variety of churchmeetings).

Where does this information come from? Why did it get released? Is there an official LDS website that contains reliable information?
It was not released by the church, and you won't find it on the church's website. The information that's scattered about the internet is usually from former members who were disgruntled with the church.

[BTB]

Forgive me if my answer dosen't really answer your question like you'd want, but this is an issue that can really upset me.

No, not at all! "Former members" is as complicated an answer as I need. :)

Can I ask my million dollar question?

Just wanted to explain what I meant by that, since it sounds like a game show thing and I mean no disrespect to a serious subject - what can I say, I'm a dork and I talk like a dork ;) - I mean the question I've most been wanting to ask, but also have been most afraid of asking. :)

[LyLMyssChaos]

Interesting.... I'd be pretty shocked though.

For GC we're going over to LylMyss's to watch it on her satilite. Oddly, DH's aunt's bacholerette party is that saturday night... not sure if I'll go or not.

ETA: Dang, I cannot keep up with this thread! :D

Well, seeing as how our hubby's will have a priesthood session that night, and will most likely be at the stake center, we could always have a girl's night out. I have a giftcard to chili's we could use!! LOL :D

[LDS Angel 19]

Well, seeing as how our hubby's will have a priesthood session that night, and will most likely be at the stake center, we could always have a girl's night out. I have a giftcard to chili's we could use!! LOL :D

That's true, we do need to beat them up and make them go to priesthood this time. :D

[gayle]

I think that Fmily Night idea is a wonderful one, and ,more Americans of any faith could surely benefit from the practice of it :)

[LyLMyssChaos]

I think most questions have been answered by my fellow members, but if anyone really would like some more information on our church, here are the "official" church websites:
Mormon.Org (http://www.mormon.org)--A site that is full of FAQ's and geared more towards people that are interested in learning about our beliefs, teachings, etc.

The Official Website of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (http://www.lds.org)

[LyLMyssChaos]

That's true, we do need to beat them up and make them go to priesthood this time. :D

Well, we could even drop them off there and head to the Chili's in Flint. That way we make sure they got there. LOL :p


ITA with you gayle. It's a shame though how so many people truly don't understand what we are trying to accomplish when we have things like "Family Home Evening." For us, it's a night to dedicate just to our family and our faith. We believe that the family unit is the most important grouping in our Heavenly Father's Plan of Salvation and we hope to be together for all eternity and that is why we strive to have such amazing family relationships while on Earth. I mean, think about it, would you want to spend eternity with someone you couldn't stand?? :)

[mrsface]

Well, seeing as how our hubby's will have a priesthood session that night, and will most likely be at the stake center, we could always have a girl's night out. I have a giftcard to chili's we could use!! LOL :D


Sooo, it's probably VERY different living right in Salt Lake, but during the Priesthood Session pretty much every restaurant like Chili's is PACKED with women. We had a 'Ladies Night' a couple years ago and were very lucky to get there early enough to get a table. People were waiting 2 hours to get in! It was crazy... Also, the local Deseret Book stores have big parties- games, prizes, sales- lots of stuff.

I'll be over at my ILs for the Saturday sessions, and when the boys head to priesthood the girls will stay and play games. I'm not making the mistake of going out again..... :p :p

[ysolde]

I think DH and I may have to try a Family Home Night. Mondays sounds good. I volunteer on Tuesdays, and we tend to get busy later in the week. No television, no excuses. We can both be home by 6:00, have dinner together, do a little Bible study together, and then play Scrabble, or Trivial Pursuit, or bake brownies or do some little project together.

That is a lovely idea. Thank you, ladies!

[LyLMyssChaos]

Sooo, it's probably VERY different living right in Salt Lake, but during the Priesthood Session pretty much every restaurant like Chili's is PACKED with women. We had a 'Ladies Night' a couple years ago and were very lucky to get there early enough to get a table. People were waiting 2 hours to get in! It was crazy... Also, the local Deseret Book stores have big parties- games, prizes, sales- lots of stuff.

I'll be over at my ILs for the Saturday sessions, and when the boys head to priesthood the girls will stay and play games. I'm not making the mistake of going out again..... :p :p


It is EXTREMELY different here. I think that our ward only has maybe 160 families, and a lot of them are inactive. In fact, I once heard the comment that we have so many inactives that if we could get them all active? They'd have to split our ward into 2 branches. I so wish we had a Deseret Book store here. About the only thing we have to buy LDS stuff is the "Words of Wisdom" bookstore that a sister from our ward runs out of her house! :)

[LDS Angel 19]

mrsface, Yikes, that sounds like fun, lol. I guess this is one of the few times that living in a practically LDS-free zone works to my advantage! :)

[LyLMyssChaos]

I think DH and I may have to try a Family Home Night. Mondays sounds good. I volunteer on Tuesdays, and we tend to get busy later in the week. No television, no excuses. We can both be home by 6:00, have dinner together, do a little Bible study together, and then play Scrabble, or Trivial Pursuit, or bake brownies or do some little project together.

That is a lovely idea. Thank you, ladies!

That sounds like a typical Family Home Night to me! :D I am so glad that you found something that you feel can implement to improve your own life in our thread. Good Luck!! And if you are ever at a loss for ideas of things to do? I'm sure that we could offer up a few tried and true suggestions! :)

[mrsface]

It is EXTREMELY different here. I think that our ward only has maybe 160 families, and a lot of them are inactive. In fact, I once heard the comment that we have so many inactives that if we could get them all active? They'd have to split our ward into 2 branches. I so wish we had a Deseret Book store here. About the only thing we have to buy LDS stuff is the "Words of Wisdom" bookstore that a sister from our ward runs out of her house! :)


Too funny! I have been in many wards that had to split because they were getting to big. The funniest was about 8 years ago, the home I grew up in. They did some creative re-organization of the ward boundaries and annexed a chunk (my chunk) to a different ward, which happened tobe in a different Stake. Homes next to each other were now in different stakes... It was so crazy...

Interesting about the bookstore. I actually run a company that sells to all the LDS bookstores, so I don't ever really shop at Deseret Book. But I sure sell to them- they are a HUGE part of our business.

[mrsface]

Family Night is so great- DH and I need to do better about having it. Often times we end up at my moms having FHE with my little brother and sister.

We had a great FHE system growing up. The 1st and 3rd weeks we had a lesson. (Mom would teach one, and then the kids were on a rotating schedule to teach the other) The 2nd week was something fun- like miniature golf, dinner in the canyons, etc... And then the 4th week we did a service project for someone in the ward/neighborhood.

We all got to take turns teaching the lesson, making the treats, and choosing the activity. Lots of fun.

[BTB]

Remember back when - was it Milton-Bradley? Some game manufacturer, at any rate - had those commercials about Family Night? DH and I started one then. :) It's always been encouraged by our church, but when it was just two of us, every night was family night, or else I was working. We started playing board games every Sunday night after seeing those commercials (what good little consumers we are!) :D It was a fun way to look forward to Sunday night, instead of being a bit gloomy as it hits, that now the weekend's over. :)

[LyLMyssChaos]

I so remember those commercials!! LOL
Let's see if we can keep things rolling with this QOTD:
For those of you that do it, What do you do to be able to get in your daily scripture study and prayer? I mean, we say blessings at dinner and we generally say a bedtime prayer, but it is really hard to get into anything else with the kid's running around. This has been one of my big obstacles, so I am totally open for any/all suggestions you ladies may have!

[AttyGrl74]

Thanks all for answering my question about the Celestial Room - I cannot get over how gorgeous and ornate those rooms are. They certainly accomplish their purpose of being awe-in-god-inspiring!

Two more quick questions and then I'll leave you alone, I promise - what is a priesthood blessing?

And is the term "Mormon" less preferred than "LDS" - back in the day my LDS friends in high school were ok with being called Mormon, but it seems now that LDS seems to be sort of more acceptable.

[ysolde]

Well, with the caveats that I am not LDS and I don't have children, may I answer?

I pray late at night, after my shower, before going to sleep. The shower already helps to clear my mind of the day's worries and concerns. I spray a lavender scent on my sheets and pillows, and turn on my "sound machine" to an "oceanside" sound. The sound of waves puts me in a contemplative mood. I also tend to pray with the lgihts low -- just the bedside lamp. It helps me to focus, and to maintain a more centered state of mind. I usually do the nighttime prayer from the Book of Common Prayer. I don't know if there is an equivalent LDS prayer book. I alternate that with Anglican Prayer Beads, which I also use when I am feeling scattered. The constant, repetitive pattern of bead prayer/meditation helps get me centered. At certain times of the year, I go over the day's Scripture and thoughts in our "Day by Day" booklet, which is a seasonal Scripture and thought for the day tpye of thing. DH knows not to come in until after I am done, although sometimes, he joins me for prayers. His prayer style is more "free-form" than mine is.

[LyLMyssChaos]

Well, with the caveats that I am not LDS and I don't have children, may I answer?

I pray late at night, after my shower, before going to sleep. The shower already helps to clear my mind of the day's worries and concerns. I spray a lavender scent on my sheets and pillows, and turn on my "sound machine" to an "oceanside" sound. The sound of waves puts me in a contemplative mood. I also tend to pray with the lgihts low -- just the bedside lamp. It helps me to focus, and to maintain a more centered state of mind. I usually do the nighttime prayer from the Book of Common Prayer. I don't know if there is an equivalent LDS prayer book. I alternate that with Anglican Prayer Beads, which I also use when I am feeling scattered. The constant, repetitive pattern of bead prayer/meditation helps get me centered. At certain times of the year, I go over the day's Scripture and thoughts in our "Day by Day" booklet, which is a seasonal Scripture and thought for the day tpye of thing. DH knows not to come in until after I am done, although sometimes, he joins me for prayers. His prayer style is more "free-form" than mine is.

Of course your recommendations are welcome. Thank you for sharing. I am very familiar with the Book of Common Prayer as I was raised in an Episcipalian church. :D We don't have a similar thing as we believe in more "free-form" prayer, but are supposed to read our scriptures daily. I think I'm to try to do the shower and time alone thing.

[LDS Angel 19]

Scripture Study and Prayer: We're good about kneeling down before bed most nights and then saying a quick prayer before running out the door in the morning. Or actually DH is good at reminding me. :o It's so much easier now that we are on the same schedule.
Of course not having kiddos at home makes it easier for us, and we're still not where I would like to be with scripture study. We sneak it in whenever we get a chance, right now probably once or twice a week.

[LyLMyssChaos]

Thanks all for answering my question about the Celestial Room - I cannot get over how gorgeous and ornate those rooms are. They certainly accomplish their purpose of being awe-in-god-inspiring!

Two more quick questions and then I'll leave you alone, I promise - what is a priesthood blessing?

And is the term "Mormon" less preferred than "LDS" - back in the day my LDS friends in high school were ok with being called Mormon, but it seems now that LDS seems to be sort of more acceptable.

That's it, you've reached your quota!! No more cookies for you!! :p LOL

But to answer your questions, Mormon is still fairly accepted, but the First Presidency issued a statement a few years ago to encourage members to get away from that "slang" term and to use the more appropriate LDS abbreviation. A lot of people were being misguided by the term Mormon and thinking that we like worshipped Mormon and stuff, which is not true.

As for your question about priesthood blessings, it is basically a specific prayer request or some divinely inspired piece of advice for someone performed by a man that holds the Melchezidek(sp?? I can never spell that stinking word! LOL) priesthood. We believe that whatever is said is inspired by our Heavenly Father. Sort of like using the priesthood holder as his mouthpiece. Or in the case of a blessing for someone that is sick, it is like adding a little extra prayer power for a healing request. If anyone else can answer this better/more clearly, PLEASE feel free to do so! :D

[LyLMyssChaos]

Scripture Study and Prayer: We're good about kneeling down before bed most nights and then saying a quick prayer before running out the door in the morning. Or actually DH is good at reminding me. :o It's so much easier now that we are on the same schedule.
Of course not having kiddos at home makes it easier for us, and we're still not where I would like to be with scripture study. We sneak it in whenever we get a chance, right now probably once or twice a week.

I think ours is going to go a little better now that Timmy has resolved some of the issues he was having. I've been really working at trying to get him out of bed and do scripture study and prayer in the morning, but he has been resisting, so I'm doing by myself. Hopefully he's feeling a little better and he can join me again.

[LDS Angel 19]

I think ours is going to go a little better now that Timmy has resolved some of the issues he was having. I've been really working at trying to get him out of bed and do scripture study and prayer in the morning, but he has been resisting, so I'm doing by myself. Hopefully he's feeling a little better and he can join me again.

Well, that's good though that you're still doing it on your own. Hopefully one day soon he'll get the idea and join in. Never hurts to be a good example.

[bciob22]

Going back a few pages regarding the Sunday School rumor. Most of you are converts and Mrsface is probally too young to remember but I am old and back in the day when we went to the block system people questioned the reason. The Prophet (I believe it was Spencer W. Kimball) said that the goal of the entire church meeting system is to help the saints establish Zion in thier own homes. At some point there will be no need for any church meetings. All needs that meetings fulfill will be able to be fulfilled in our own homes. (Granted I don't think we are anywhere near that point yet. It will only happen in the last days.) Getting rid of Sunday School could be a step toward that. Although I do think there would have to be some changes to Relief Society and Priesthood as they stand now.

[T&M'sMommy]

I have two more questions and I'm not sure how to phrase them, so forgive me:

Is it true that the church tells you that can't have caffeine(coffee/tea/pepsi/coke/chocolate)

Are Sundays a total day of rest? I remember as a kid going over to a friend's place and her father used to come in all the time and tell her "no playing, just resting" They would also have a cold meal every Sunday night because cooking was work.

(Lots of memories of her place) A bottle of gingerale was a real treat. Most of the time it was tuna in the cupboards and chicken weiners and cold water in apple juice jugs in the fridge.

[PinkMartini]

Are Sundays a total day of rest?

From the little that I know Sundays are supposed to be a 'rest' day. We're not supposed to do any shopping on Sundays and respect it as the sabbath. I work in retail, and unfortunately weekends are mandatory which really sucks because most of the time I can't even go to church :( I've never been told we aren't allowed to cook on Sundays though :confused:

[amew]

What an interesting thread! You all are being so patient with all the questions. So that said, can I ask a couple of my own? ;)

1. I have heard something about members getting their own planet after death. Is there any truth to that or is it up there with the "naked in the temple" rumor (which, incidently, I had never heard)?

2. Do you believe that non-LDS Christians (Protestants and Catholics) are "saved", or is there something more that one has to do to attain salvation in the eyes of the LDS church?

Thanks for answering! I actually have two good friends who are LDS, and while I ask them the occassional question, I hate to pepper them with dozens of questions that might seem out of left field -- so this is the perfect forum.

[mrsface]

I have two more questions and I'm not sure how to phrase them, so forgive me:

Is it true that the church tells you that can't have caffeine(coffee/tea/pepsi/coke/chocolate)

We have a set of guidelines called the Word of Wisdom. It tells us to avoid alcohol, tobacco, coffee and tea explicitly, and cautioned against any habit forming or destructive substances in general. It never mentions caffeine- it says 'strong drinks'. (Keep in mind that it was written +/- 175 years ago). The caffeine issue is more of a personal decision- I've never heard the prophet say "don't drink Coke". The Word of Wisdom also tells us to eat meat sparingly, eat fruits and vegetables in abundance, eat grains- basically just live a healthy lifestyle.

Are Sundays a total day of rest? I remember as a kid going over to a friend's place and her father used to come in all the time and tell her "no playing, just resting" They would also have a cold meal every Sunday night because cooking was work.

Again, it's up to personal interpretation. We don't have specific rules- we don't have to count steps etc..., but we are told to dedicate Sunday to the Lord. It should be a day different from the rest of the week- a day where we invite the spirit into our homes.

My aunt has a 'no sweating on Sunday' rule- it's fine to take walks and gentle bike rides, but football and basketball are not appropriate. (I just want to clarify that this is her interpretation- not doctrinal.) My mom has a bunch of videos that she feels are okay on Sunday; there's a series of animated scripture stories that we could watch, as well as many films produced by the church. We listen to different music on Sunday than the rest of the week. Anything we can do to create a peaceful, loving enviroment.

My family has always tried to gather together each Sunday, even more than the rest of the week. We feel the love of God through the love of each other and cherish the time we get to be together. We make a big dinner (nice and hot- we love cooking together!) We share what we learned in church earlier and sometimes play games. It's rarely a quiet time in our house (when all my siblings are there, which happens at least twice a month, we have 15 people- four 3 and under) but it is a joyful, happy and grateful time.


1. I have heard something about members getting their own planet after death. Is there any truth to that or is it up there with the "naked in the temple" rumor (which, incidently, I had never heard)?
Why own a planet when you can create a universe?!

No, seriously, that is a good question, and a hard one to answer completely on a message board. We believe that we have been created in the image of God, and that we are His literal children. As such, we have the ability to become like Him, much like any child has the potential to grow up to be like their parents. We believe that Jesus Christ took upon Himself the sins of all mankind not only to save us from Hell, but also to bring us back into the presence of God (where we were before coming down to earth) to be joint heirs with Christ in the Kingdom of God. (see Romans 8:16-17) Much like the heir to a king/queen of England will become the ruler of England, we will have the chance to rule over worlds of our own as God rules over this world.

2. Do you believe that non-LDS Christians (Protestants and Catholics) are "saved", or is there something more that one has to do to attain salvation in the eyes of the LDS church?

I don't particularly like the word 'saved', in this context. It seems so cut and dry. We can't just all of a sudden be 'saved' and be good to go. Salvation is an ongoing process- continual righteous living, repentance, good works, and learning are all necessary. Being 'saved' is not a status- either you're saved or you're not- it's dependant on the intent of our hearts and on the grace of our Savior.

This kind of goes back to the questions about baptism for the dead. Yes, we believe that there are certain things that must be done to attain salvation, like baptism and the endowment. But, every person will have the opportunity to take those necessary steps. That's why we, as members of the church, are so focused on geneaology and temple work- we want to make sure everyone has the chance! I certainly don't think Ghandi and Mother Teresa are going to be kicked out of heaven because they weren't LDS.... And I also don't think that everyone who is LDS will make it...



So, I hope I've been able to answer at least some of your questions. I've appreciated the chance to share some of our beliefs- it has really helped me grow in my own faith.

[karlatta]

Wow - this thread moves a lot faster than I expected it would!

Just wanted to check in with all of you. The hurricane is fast approaching, so we're getting prepared. After a harrowing ordeal trying to evacuate, we've decided to wait it out at home. (Actually, the home of a friend.) Several members of the ward are all staying, so when it's over we should have a good support system to be able to take care of each other.

It hits in a few hours, so I better go. We had everything packed in the car for evacuation, but since that didn't work out, we need to unpack the car and stuff before too much longer!

Prayers appreciated!

[Hello Kitty]

Just wanted to delurk to say I'll be lurking along. I like learning about it and your emphasis on the family. I have IRL and online friends who are LDS, and always felt a little closer to them as part of a often misunderstood religion myself (I'm inactive, but still identify with it if that makes sense).

needs that meetings fulfill will be able to be fulfilled in our own homes.
That sounds very familiar to me, as you are always able to meet in people's homes - no matter what is going on elsewhere. :)

Stay safe, Karlatta!

[melnv]

It's kind of odd to be married and not sealed (that is, after you meet that year mark). Sometimes there's a good reason for it - if you've been divorced, there's a lot of red tape you have to go through to be sealed again, and some people just don't want to deal with it. Sometimes widows/widowers will choose not to be sealed because they only want to be sealed to their first spouse. Sometimes the couple's not sure the marriage will last. There are a few different reasons, but I tihnk most people assume the last until told otherwise.

It is odd, but we do exist. ;) assumptions are my pet peeve.

[karlatta]

Hurricane Update!

It looks like it's over for us. We still have some strong winds, but nothing major. We got gusts of maybe 50 mph. We got less than an inch of rain.

I am so grateful that it worked out the way it did. DH and I left town Wednesday night at midnight to head to my mom and dad's house. After seventeen hours, we had gotten 60 miles down the road, and we were nearly out of gas. There was no gas to be found, and the radio gave out reports of gas being delivered to all of the roads except the one we were on.

So I pulled off and called a member of the RS presidency. I asked her about the storm and asked her for her advice. She contacted the bishop and they helped counsel me to decide what I should do. Scott and I pulled around and said a prayer to know what we should do, told the Lord that we were planning to return home, and asked Him to help lead us to the things that we needed to do to insure our safety. I felt good about coming home.

We got home, had a good night's sleep, and then headed over to a friend's house to wait out the storm. It turned out to be an unnecessary thing to do, as we didn't really get a storm at all, but it was nice to be around more people and to have others around to talk to and stuff so that I didn't worry about the hurricane to much.

I feel so blessed to be loved and protected by the Lord.

[LyLMyssChaos]

I will respond to everyone else later, but I just wanted to say that I am so happy that you were unharmed Karla! It is so wonderful that you had your faith to guide you through, and how great it is to have an experience like this to strengthen your testimony that Heavenly Father does love and protect you! :)

*side note*
Any comments about last night's Relief Society General Conference?

[karlatta]

Any comments about last night's Relief Society General Conference?

No surprise here, but I totally forgot about it. I've been a bit, um, distracted. We still don't have power to the Stake Center, so it couldn't be viewed or recorded there. I'm still waiting for word to see if church is even meeting today, and where.

[LDS Angel 19]

Karla It's so great to hear that you're ok. It's wonderful when prayers are answered.

I enjoyed the RS broadcast. I don't know though sometimes. In general RS is not exactly my favorite thing about church. I feel like I don't fit in at all. Actually I don't really fit in at church as a whole, not just in RS. Hence the reason I'm online right now instead of at church. :o

[melnv]

assumptions are my pet peeve

quoting myself because when I went back to read it this morning, it sounds like I'm directing it at Beth (which I'm not). I hate typing vs. talking. Actually this can be realted to what Michelle is saying. I often feel like I don't fit in, and assumptions slightly attribute to that. It's odd because I don't have any LDS friends, but I don't feel I can totally realate to them either as far as lifestyle. Not that it bothers me, but I think I'm somewhere in the middle. Wait, did that make sense?

[karlatta]

I often feel like I don't fit in, and assumptions slightly attribute to that.

I totally get what you're saying. My DH and I are not sealed (DH is not a member), and every time we move into a new ward, I am faced with all sorts of assumptions people make about me and us. They tend to think that I'm not active, or that I'm a brand-new member whose DH just hasn't converted yet. It's frustrating to be misunderstood.

I'm finally in a ward that understands that just because DH is not a member, it doesn't mean that I'm not worthy of callings and assignments. And that I do have a testimony of the church even if DH doesn't. I feel completely accepted and finally like I really belong.

I really dread moving in the next few months. New wards really scare me!

[LDS Angel 19]

Where'd everyone go?

It's kinda nice to see that I'm not alone in my not fitting in feelings. It kind of sucks, but it seems that ones feelings/experiences can vary alot from one ward to another. I know Tiffany can relate to this too. I know we have to remind ourselves that the church is true no matter where we go, but since Mormon's are such a social group, its easy to let feelings get hurt or things blown out of proportion.

Anyway, I'm rambling.

[saathei]

From my LJ friends list, and just in time for conference! Hope you enjoy! :D

#10. Paul H. Dunn: "I remember back in WWII that I ate a Reese's Peanut Butter Cup. Back then, they were big enough to live on for a week. Being the only soldier to have survived the battle in my brigade, I really didn't know if I could eat it or not, but I remember my fallen buddy's words as he died in my arms: "Paul, if you just take one bite at a time you can tackle anything." So I took that giant cup and, breaking it with the bat Babe Ruth gave me after I struck him out with two outs in the bottom of the ninth in the seventh game of the World Series, proceeded to wolf down the tiny morsels."

#9. David B. Haight: "Imagine 70 years ago on a rough road between Idaho and Logan. There were no Circle K's, no 7-11's. You had to bring your Reese's Peanut Butter Cups with you. Ruby and I split one for the first time in 1937."

#8. Dallin H. Oaks: "The Reese's Peanut Butter Cup challenges us to consume. From the beginning there have been three steps in eating a Reese's Peanut Butter Cup. First, remove the wrapper. This is best done quickly, by turning the cup over, grasping the outer fold and pulling away from the bottom. Second . . ."

#7. Joseph B. Wirthlin: "When I was young I would sprint to the corner store, buy a Reese's and run my hand through my hair before taking in down in one bite. These days I don't sprint, and I have no hair, but the peanut butter cup remains."

#6. Richard G. Scott: "If you have not eaten a Reese's Peanut Butter Cup, I plead with you. Eat one now. Enjoy the chocolate, the peanut butter. Do not delay. If you have thought, "That's not for me", I plead with you to reconsider. Of all foods I treasure, this one was the first."

#5. M. Russell Ballard: "The time has come when members of the church need to reach out to our friends and share a cup, a peanut butter cup. It is not enough to raise a chocolate bar, it must now have peanut butter."

#4. Thomas S. Monson: "I remember I ate my first Reese's Peanut Butter Cup when I was a tender lad of eight: My mother came up to me, and with a loving twinkle in her eye, asked, 'Tommy, are you eating a Reese's?' 'And I would simile up to her, 'Yes, yes, I am.' 'But Tommy, did you know that Sister Jensen next door hasn't eaten a Reese's Cup in years?' My young mind thought upon the plight of my neighbor. Tears were shed. Hearts were gladdened. A cup was shared."

#3. Boyd K. Packer: "In all my years, I have always eaten my Reese's Peanut Butter Cups the same way - the established way we have been instructed to eat them. There is a far greater evil in this world, though - those who believe they can eat their cups in a way unconventional to the time-honored manner. We must be true and faithful and eat our Reese's Peanut Butter Cups in the customary and recognized approach as it has been established."

#2. Neal A. Maxwell: "I intentionally initiate the delicious design of deglutition of the Reese's Peanut Butter Cup by nibbling a negligible nit of the culinary creamy cavalcade. It is exclusively through small entities that the great things are fabricated."

AND THE #1 WAY

J. Golden Kimball: "H_____, Heber, I'll eat a Reese's Peanut Butter Cup any d_______ way I want!"

[ysolde]

Saathei --

I get the gist of it. The problem is, now I am having a serious craving for a Reese's!!! :D

[LDS Angel 19]

LOL @ #3. I could totally hear Elder Packer's voice as I read it. Funny stuff.

[looch]

First of all, thank you so much for sharing with us! i have read dribs and drabs, and have learned a lot! I work with several folks who are based in Salt Lake City, and while I am curious, I try to be respectful of their faith and not ask questions!
Secondly, I think it is a great thing to learn about each other in a safe and respectful community!
No questions at this time! I only wish i went to the temple in NYC when it was open to the public. I hear that it had halls that become progressively whiter as you passed through it.

[hockeybrat]

I am actually delurking to ask a question and mind you, it may sound like a strange question.

I remember as a kid, someone saying that there are special (umm) undergarments that must be worn. So does that mean you can't shop at Macy's or anything?

During the Salt Lake Games (I was living in Denver at the time) there was a sports writer that mentioned something in his editorial about lime jello and how it was very popular. Is there a reason or is it because it just plain tastes good?


I know these are strange questions so I hope you don't find them offensive. I'll go back to lurking.

[LDS Angel 19]

I am actually delurking to ask a question and mind you, it may sound like a strange question.

I remember as a kid, someone saying that there are special (umm) undergarments that must be worn. So does that mean you can't shop at Macy's or anything?

During the Salt Lake Games (I was living in Denver at the time) there was a sports writer that mentioned something in his editorial about lime jello and how it was very popular. Is there a reason or is it because it just plain tastes good?


I know these are strange questions so I hope you don't find them offensive. I'll go back to lurking.

Not offended at all! But I always have to chuckle when peopple ask us about our underwear :p
In short, yes. adult LDS members who have been through the temple wear special undergarments. They are worn as a reminder to the wearer of the covenants that were made in the temple and to be a source of protection to them. We are to wear them day and night, but it's no big deal to take them off for a short while to go for a swim or be intimate with our spouse. They're simple, white, and very comfy after you get used to them. ;)
I have a really good article from one of our leaders I could dig up if you'd like a more detailed explaination.

As for the jello, it's just a culture thing. Being a convert, and having never lived in Utah, I don't really get it myself. :D

[hockeybrat]

Not offended at all! But I always have to chuckle when peopple ask us about our underwear :p
In short, yes. adult LDS members who have been through the temple wear special undergarments. They are worn as a reminder to the wearer of the covenants that were made in the temple and to be a source of protection to them. We are to wear them day and night, but it's no big deal to take them off for a short while to go for a swim or be intimate with our spouse. They're simple, white, and very comfy after you get used to them. ;)
I have a really good article from one of our leaders I could dig up if you'd like a more detailed explaination.

As for the jello, it's just a culture thing. Being a convert, and having never lived in Utah, I don't really get it myself. :D

Thank you very much for answering my questions. I wasn't sure if I asked an appropriate question or not. :)

[gayle]

I have heard that LDS underwear has Masonic symbols on it. Is that a myth, or is there fact in it?

Also, I read awhile back that Joseph Smith was a Freemason, and that many LDS temple rituals are based on Masonic rituals. Any truth to that?

Thanks Ladies for your patience in helping those of us who are not LDS understand some of these things.

[amew]

I have heard about the Masonic symbols on the undergarments as well. I think the (purported) link between the LDS church and the Freemasons is fascinating. Does anyone have any insight?

[LDS Angel 19]

I'll admit I don't know much about the whole Mason thing. So I've gotta bring in some backup on this one... Lots of good info can be found here. (http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/response/qa/temple_masonry.htm)

...any similarities are immaterial and incidental. For example, the LDS endowment ceremony lasts for approximately an hour and a half. Yet, there are at the most about 5 minutes of similar material. Therefore, about 95% of the LDS ordinance is completely distinct from Mason rites. And even the few similarities that do exist are used in totally different contexts

Yes, Joseph Smith and many early members were Masons. Do I believe that he intentionally copied or stole ideas from them, no.

[silvergrey]

As for the jello, it's just a culture thing. Being a convert, and having never lived in Utah, I don't really get it myself. :D

*snort* Heck, I'm a Utah native who was raised Mormon, and I don't get it either. Does anyone remember that song "Mormon Rap"? "Green jello with shredded carrots...my favorite!" Blech!

Just delurking to say hi. I'm what is affectionately (I hope!) known as a Jack Mormon, although the majority of my family is active. I'll probably continue to lurk from time to time. :)

[LyLMyssChaos]

*snort* Heck, I'm a Utah native who was raised Mormon, and I don't get it either. Does anyone remember that song "Mormon Rap"? "Green jello with shredded carrots...my favorite!" Blech!

Just delurking to say hi. I'm what is affectionately (I hope!) known as a Jack Mormon, although the majority of my family is active. I'll probably continue to lurk from time to time. :)

Ah, even Jackies' are welcome here! :D They don't get any more Jack than my father in law. He was baptized and that was where it ends for him. He has nothing against the church, it's just not for him. I'm glad I'm not the only one that doesn't get the green jello thing, quite frankly about the only green jello I like is the band from the 90's! LOL :p
Sorry that I've been MIA. Things have not been so great with my health, but I will try to get caught up on what I've missed and try to respond to what I can when I have a chance.

[mrsface]

Hi all. I've not been around much lately either. I'm heading to Disneyworld on Sunday so things have been hectic trying to get ready.

I'm a little bummed that I won't get to see conference (well, I'll be watching the Saturday sessions and we're Tivo-ing Sunday). It's always such a booster shot of spirituality. All the girls in my family watch conference and cross-stitch for 2 days- I love it!

In homage to green jello, please take note of my font color.. My grandma makes a jello for every Sunday dinner. Without fail. She occasionally makes the infamous green jello w/carrots, but I think she's the only person that likes it. My favorite is cherry jello with grated apples. My mom made jello once a month or so, but less frequently as the years go by. I rarely make it, though I'll freely admit to enjoying it when I do. So, if I'm any sort of test case, the cultural phenomenon is fading.... :p

Okay- I'm off! Enjoy conference!

Andrea

[LyLMyssChaos]

Just bumping us up. We didn't get a chance to watch conferences(outside of DH going to the Priesthood session,) but since we DVR'ed them, I am thinking that will be our TV viewing for the week. Ya think that could bring a little of the spirit into our home this week?? ;)

[DiscoDiva]

LylMyssChaos: I pm'd you.

[LDS Angel 19]

ooh secrets are no fun! ;)

[LyLMyssChaos]

Ahhh, not like you wouldn't know anyway, right??? LOL :p
Thanks DD, I got the message!

[LDS Angel 19]

I'm kidding. I was just excited to see that there was a post in this thread but then I was let down... lol

[LyLMyssChaos]

Well, I have been released, so now I guess I have to "officially" attend Relief Society. Ick! Really not looking forward to that. :( I'm still going to be on the Primary Substitute's list and our ward is ALWAYS looking for sub's so I most likely will still be in Primary a lot, but it's just, I dunno, I really liked Primary, it just doesn't work with me having a class with my health being the way it is and my DH being the YM's 1st counselor.


So Shell, wanna start driving over here on Sunday morning and hitching a ride to church with us and hanging out with me in RS, so I'm not the only person under 30 there?? Everyone else under 30 is either in Primary or Young Women, so it will just be me! LOL

[LDS Angel 19]

So Shell, wanna start driving over here on Sunday morning and hitching a ride to church with us and hanging out with me in RS, so I'm not the only person under 30 there?? Everyone else under 30 is either in Primary or Young Women, so it will just be me! LOL

I so would, if the drive didn't cost like 10 bucks, lol. esp. next year when you guys switch to afternoons.

(Ya know, dosen't it feel akward hijacking all these threads with our personal conversations? LOL :D)

[LyLMyssChaos]

This debate was started in another thread and I'm curious as to other member's points of view. What is your take on the Word of Wisdom? Do you only follow those things it expressly prohibits (i.e. hot and strong drinks, tobacco) or do also heed the subsequent warnings from prophets as far as things we should avoid (i.e. cola drinks, illegal substances, etc.) Also, if a substance such as marijuana were to be made legal and were perscribed by a doctor for a medical condition, would you partake of it? Or would you feel it violates the WOW?

[bciob22]

Personally I pretty much follow both the "original" and the susequent warnings (They are Prophets also) However I do drink colas and I feel the whole chocolate debate a bit tiring at times. I have never been to a ward dinner/get together/camp with out some form of chocolate being served.

As far as the medical marijuana. Unless there was some overwhelming evidence that that was the ONLY way to treat a certain ailment (In which case I think The Lord would also reveal that to The Prophet) I wouldn't. However that being said, growing up a lady in our ward had horrible cancer and the ONLY thing that made it bearable to her was Laitrile which is illeagle and she had in smuggled in from Mexico. IMHO I think The LOrd has forgiven her for both the illeagle drug use and the smuggling.

[bciob22]

I got a phone call from my Dad last night.(I live in Idaho they live in California) saying he wants me and the kids to fly down and go to church with them on Nov. 6:eek: So.....what do y'all think Bishop (which he already has been) or Stake Presidencey????:D

[mrsface]

I got a phone call from my Dad last night.(I live in Idaho they live in California) saying he wants me and the kids to fly down and go to church with them on Nov. 6:eek: So.....what do y'all think Bishop (which he already has been) or Stake Presidencey????:D

Duhn duhn duhn.......

Sounds like something big- are you going to fly down?

[bciob22]

Duhn duhn duhn.......

Sounds like something big- are you going to fly down?


Not sure still. It would be $1000+ and I would only be able to be there for 3 days. While I would really like to be there and I know it's important to him it is a lot of money.:confused:

[karlatta]

Hmmm... when our stake presidency was set apart, they weren't given the amount of notice that your dad is talking about here. The general authorities came down, did interviews on Friday and Saturday to choose the new president, and on Sunday, the stake presidency was set apart. Perhaps they knew that was all the time they would need or something?

[DiscoDiva]

I have a question *waving my hand in the air like an eager 1st grader*! Isn't it LDS men who go out and do missionary work - door to door- wearing black pants and white shirts? They have to do it for a year or so, right? Assuming that is LDS men, why do they ride bikes? Why can't they drive to the subdivision then walk from there?

[eponymous]

I'm not LDS, but I know that both men and women are allowed to serve missions, although it's more common among men than women.

[LDS Angel 19]

I have a question *waving my hand in the air like an eager 1st grader*! Isn't it LDS men who go out and do missionary work - door to door- wearing black pants and white shirts? They have to do it for a year or so, right? Assuming that is LDS men, why do they ride bikes? Why can't they drive to the subdivision then walk from there?

LDS men and women can and do go on missions. Men go for two years and women for 18months. Yes, they often ride bikes, but these days many have cars. It just depends on the local area.

[LyLMyssChaos]

I have a question *waving my hand in the air like an eager 1st grader*! Isn't it LDS men who go out and do missionary work - door to door- wearing black pants and white shirts? They have to do it for a year or so, right? Assuming that is LDS men, why do they ride bikes? Why can't they drive to the subdivision then walk from there?


You were thinking looking something like what the young man here on the right looks like just a bit older, perhaps???:D :D
http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5ce06b3127cce948aff7d6cce00000016108AbOHLNy1bM9

[LyLMyssChaos]

I got a phone call from my Dad last night.(I live in Idaho they live in California) saying he wants me and the kids to fly down and go to church with them on Nov. 6:eek: So.....what do y'all think Bishop (which he already has been) or Stake Presidencey????:D


So are you gonna go or what??? :D :p

[DiscoDiva]

Thanks. I always see the men on bikes, so I thought they had to do it that way.

[colleenjoy]

I just wanted to thank all you ladies for being so kind to share information with us non LDS. I have been lurking in this thread and in the other religion thread. I have learned a great deal about your religion, which i had many misperceptions about. I'm just sorry that you were made to feel unwelcome. i think no matter what are religious beliefs are, we need to respect those of others.

With that said, i'm going back to lurking. :cool:

Colleen

[LyLMyssChaos]

Thank you Colleen. I appreciate your taking the time to come over and let us know that you found what we have said informative. Feel free to continue lurking, although as of lately, there isn't much to lurk about here. :)

On that note, what does everyone have planned for the holidays? My MIL's ward always does this HUGE creche display the weekend of the Christmas Devotional, so I need to get out my stuff for that. I have 3 that I usually put in it; my DD's stocking has a creche on it, I have a Precious Moments mini tea set that is a creche display, and I have a "normal size" Precious Moments creche display that I've just started collecting. I think I have pictures somewhere, I'll have to look and see.

[maxandmolly]

What is a creche? Is this an LDS Christmas thing, or some kind of crafty JoAnn's/Michael's thing that I just haven't spent a sufficient amount time in the craft store to know about?
And, for the record, I am very sad you all felt you had to bow out of the other thread, though I understand why you did.

[LyLMyssChaos]

Actually a creche is just a fancy (as far as I can tell) way of saying "manger display" LOL I had never heard it called that until I joined this church. I have no idea why they don't just call it a Nativity or something. And I'm not sure that all of us have left the thread, I just know that myself and LDS Angel have. I have not spoken with the other members who were going there, so I'm not aware of their actions, but I hope that the thread can continue to provide information and that if anyone decides to provide information on the LDS church, that they do so accurately.

[maxandmolly]

Actually a creche is just a fancy (as far as I can tell) way of saying "manger display" LOL I had never heard it called that until I joined this church. I have no idea why they don't just call it a Nativity or something. And I'm not sure that all of us have left the thread, I just know that myself and LDS Angel have. I have not spoken with the other members who were going there, so I'm not aware of their actions, but I hope that the thread can continue to provide information and that if anyone decides to provide information on the LDS church, that they do so accurately.
Oh, ok! I was just thinking maybe you had some things that were partiuclar to your church for Christmastime, or it was something I was justmissing, having grown up with Ebenezer Scrooge for a mother........speaking of which, if I am going to make any decorations this year, I should probably get my fat behind to the craft store soon!
As for the other, I'm just sorry the thread lost the tone and spirit that had been there before. But, nothing to be done about that now, I suppose!

[LDS Angel 19]

Actually a creche is just a fancy (as far as I can tell) way of saying "manger display" LOL I had never heard it called that until I joined this church. I have no idea why they don't just call it a Nativity or something.

Me too, never heard of it until I was LDS. Never heard anyone else call it that since either. Crazy Mormons and their strange words... :cool:

[saathei]

Hee, I heard it called a creche before, but then I studied French. ;)

FYI, I'm still in the other thread, if anyone has any questions.

[LyLMyssChaos]

Liz~~You smarty pants you! :p
I'm glad that someone will still be there to give anyone who asks the correct information. I just felt that I wasn't needed anymore if I was going to answer a question properly and someone was going to step in and say "the answer is here." That really bothered me and I felt that if my opinion on what should and should not be shared about our temple could not be respected, that other opinions may also be at risk of being disrespected. I mean, why answer questions about our faith if other people are going to answer them for us, ya know? You are just a bigger person than I am.

[LDS Angel 19]

Ah, so it's french! That makes sense.

[BTB]

Another French studier here - "creche" means cradle, and I've heard the word used in Methodist, Lutheran, and Catholic churches. :)

I was a poster here when this thread started, and am still a lurker, and feel I am being misrepresented. If there is to be a discussion of what occurred in the other thread, then I wish to participate. As I just posted over there, I knew at the beginning of that thread that LDS members weren't allowed to discuss certain things, but had no idea that limitation was supposed to apply to me, too, as I am not LDS. There has been much brouhaha over whether it's respectful, kind, etc. to discuss what occurs in a temple ceremony but that has never actually been discussed. The content of the link has not entered the thread, and I feel quite certain that it won't.

[LDS Angel 19]

I really don't want to drag stuff from one thread to another...

[BTB]

I really don't want to drag stuff from one thread to another...

I'd prefer it that way too, but it was already here.

[LyLMyssChaos]

Me either. Let's just leave it be. I've said all that I needed to say on the issue, so I'm prepared to just let the other thread continue on as it were. It is my understanding that Liz will continue on to represent the LDS church, so there should be no problem in the thread continuing on as it was. I believe that I am no longer needed to answer questions about the LDS faith, so there is no reason why I need to continue on with that particular discussion.

[BTB]

I believe that I am no longer needed to answer questions about the LDS faith, so there is no reason why I need to continue on with that particular discussion.

LMC - can I ask, out of a sincere attempt to understand...

I thought you bowed out of the discussion out of a requirement that you not participate in conversations where what occurs inside the temple is brought up. Is it that, or is it that you felt no longer needed?

I'm just not sure which aspect was so offensive and would like to learn.

[LDS Angel 19]

I know you're talking to LMC, but I was involved too. I don't think any of us left becuase we felt required to. I left because I was upset and didn't know how to react.
Like I just said in the other thread, I'm offended by the site. Not by the nature in which the link was posted.

[LyLMyssChaos]

It's a combination of both. I felt I adequately answered the question that was asked about "do you learn a password during the temple ceremony?" when I said "I'm sorry I cannot answer that question and give specifics about what goes on in the temple" after we have repeatedly said we keep that information extremely sacred and don't discuss it outside of the temple walls, only to have a link get posted to a website that supposedly tells that information. I don't feel that link is doing any sort of "rumor busting." I mean, just because that website says something happens/doesn't happen in the temple, how would any of you know without us to confirm it and since we have already said we cannot/willnot confirm/deny what happens within the temple walls, that website just adds more rumors to the mill in my opinion. So if we were just going to direct people to websites to have their questions answered instead of getting their questions answered by people of various faiths, I would have just started a thread with something to the effect of "Post your church websites here." Do you know what I mean? And I just cannot with good conscience be part of a conversation where I know this information is out there for anyone/everyone to see, whether it is correct/incorrect information.

[BTB]

Didn't mean to exclude anybody - LDSAngel, I wasn't confused as to why you left. :) I am confused as to why LMC left - out of religious requirement not to be part of the discussion or out of no longer feeling needed.

Honestly, I just want to understand it. I don't know how to make this come across the way I mean it - but I've not previously encountered a religion that has rules/standards/expectations for non-members too and am bewildered by it. I mean, by definition if you don't practice religion XYZ then you aren't expected to live up to it's requirements. I 100% understand, respect, and appreciate that an LDS member can't discuss temple ceremonies. But I really struggle with the notion that this means I can't, either. :confused:

[LDS Angel 19]

I 100% understand, respect, and appreciate that an LDS member can't discuss temple ceremonies. But I really struggle with the notion that this means I can't, either. :confused:

I need to stop butting in, but you're free to discuss whatever you wish. I/we just hope you wouldn't, at least not right in front of us. We can't force anything.

[BTB]

LMC, I tried to choose my words so carefully that I took a long time to post and we crossed...

I understand you felt you adequately answered the question, but there is a more complete answer than what you are able to provide as an LDS member, and I sincerely believed the point of the thread was to share information. I know you are not free to give the answer, but don't see why that means I can't share information that I have been told by people I believe to be honest that the information is accurate. I would never purposefully attempt to spread misinformation.

I didn't know only members of a given religion were allowed to speak about that religion in the thread. You commented on Catholicism, but are not Catholic. I truly don't see how this is different.

[LyLMyssChaos]

I need to stop butting in, but you're free to discuss whatever you wish. I/we just hope you wouldn't, at least not right in front of us. We can't force anything.


That's exactly it. I mean, I would never think to sit in that thread and after a Catholic or a JW or a Buddhist or something answered a question to say, oh well, if you really want to know the answer...go here. Ya know? I would feel like I was stepping on someone's toes. I would feel like I was disrespectful to that person that already answered it. Oh well, what's done is done, thank you for trying to understand, and I really do understand why you feel the way you went about it was really in an unoffensive manner, and it was as unoffensive as it could have been as long as it was going to be mentioned at all and I appreciate that. I just would like to let it go now though and let things continue on. I think enough time and energy has been spent on this issue and it's probably best if we just agree to set it aside.

[BTB]

I need to stop butting in, but you're free to discuss whatever you wish. I/we just hope you wouldn't, at least not right in front of us. We can't force anything.

No, no, butt all you wish. :) I wish I could tell you how honestly confused I am by statements like the above. I would totally understand this reaction if the content of the link had become an actual part of the thread - but it didn't. It really wasn't "discussed" at all.

[BTB]

x-posted again - I have band-aids on my right thumb and index finger and wow, does that slow down typing...

I mean, I would never think to sit in that thread and after a Catholic or a JW or a Buddhist or something answered a question to say, oh well, if you really want to know the answer...go here. Ya know?

FWIW, I actually thought this happened a couple times (that I was around for) in the thread. Each time I thought it was done as respectfully as possible, and any residual offense was just part and parcel of the nature of the discussion.

And I know you feel you answered the question, but I disagree - I thought you declined to answer it, but did not know that everyone else should. Not meant as a snark, just trying to explain.

Edited to clarify: not that links were posted, but that information posted by a member of a given religion was then refuted/challenged/addended... not sure of the right word.

[LDS Angel 19]

I would totally understand this reaction if the content of the link had become an actual part of the thread - but it didn't. It really wasn't "discussed" at all.

For that I'm very thankful. Let's just say that I've been in situations similar to last night, and they do not always end up as polite as this.

[Winter Biscuit]

Thanks LMC for letting me know about this site. The other site is getting way too big, and I still have a gazillion ?'s about LDS so I hope you ladies don't mind if I post here.

Do LDSers celebrate Christmas as the birth of Christ, and Easter as His resurrection? I know there was mention of the creche (sp? manger) on here but wasn't sure if you celebrate Christmas as the birth of Christ.

[Winter Biscuit]

A couple more :)

Why do you sometimes refer to each other as Brother and Sister? My SIL has introduced me to LDS missionaries as "Brother So-and-So" and they refer to people in their ward such as "Sister So-and-so is coming over." Would you only call a LDS member Brother and Sister?

Let's say someone is a LDS member who decides, for whatever reason, to leave the church. Let's also say that he/she did some soul searching and praying, and later changed his/her mind and decided that he/she had made a mistake in leaving the LDS church in the first place and wanted to come back. Would he/she be welcome to return? Would there be restrictions to his/her return? What process would someone have to go through to return as a member in good standing after voluntarily leaving? (I'm talking voluntarily leaving - not being excommunicated.) Would they have to be re-baptized? Go through a strict "probationary" period (for lack of better term?) before they could earn a temple recommend? Just curious how a hypothetical situation like this would be handled by the LDS faith.

[DiscoDiva]

I've seen the word "creche" used in other denominations - so it's definitely not a LDS term. I think the term is used more often in certain parts of the country (midwest, north, northeast).

[saathei]

Do LDSers celebrate Christmas as the birth of Christ, and Easter as His resurrection? I know there was mention of the creche (sp? manger) on here but wasn't sure if you celebrate Christmas as the birth of Christ.
Yup, and yup. I think Christ was actually born in the spring (can't remember if that's a churchwide thing or not), but December is when we celebrate. We usually don't have Christmas pageants (ie, with kids portraying Mary and Joseph, etc.), but just about every ward I've been in has had stellar musical firesides. I loooooove Christmas carols. :D

Why do you sometimes refer to each other as Brother and Sister? My SIL has introduced me to LDS missionaries as "Brother So-and-So" and they refer to people in their ward such as "Sister So-and-so is coming over." Would you only call a LDS member Brother and Sister?
I guess it's kind of a fellowship thing. It's not exclusive to our church, though - I know other Christian churches (esp. evangelical or non-denominational) will call each other brother and sister as well. (Remember Guys and Dolls? "Brother" Sky Masterson?) We would only call other LDS Brother or Sister.

Let's say someone is a LDS member who decides, for whatever reason, to leave the church. Let's also say that he/she did some soul searching and praying, and later changed his/her mind and decided that he/she had made a mistake in leaving the LDS church in the first place and wanted to come back. Would he/she be welcome to return? Would there be restrictions to his/her return? What process would someone have to go through to return as a member in good standing after voluntarily leaving? (I'm talking voluntarily leaving - not being excommunicated.) Would they have to be re-baptized? Go through a strict "probationary" period (for lack of better term?) before they could earn a temple recommend? Just curious how a hypothetical situation like this would be handled by the LDS faith.
Oh, this happens all the time! Everyone is always welcome to come back, and no rebaptism is necessary if they weren't officially excommunicated. Typically the person would abstain from the sacrament for a couple months, and counsel with the bishop about repentance (which is done through private study and prayer, not a community sdervice penance or something). When both the bishop and the person feel it's appropriate, then they can take the sacrament again, use the priesthood (in their former standing; they don't have to start over), and go back to the temple. The process and duration is different for every individual.

[Winter Biscuit]

I think Christ was actually born in the spring (can't remember if that's a churchwide thing or not),

Yeah, I remember my LDS SIL saying something about Christ being born in April (?? I think she said April - I even want to say April 6?)

I don't know why but for some reason I thought LDSers didn't celebrate Easter as the day Christ rose from the dead. I'm glad I asked; another misconception has been cleared up. :)

[DiscoDiva]

I've heard Southern Baptists use the term "brother" when speaking to each other, and I hear my religion say we are "brothers" or "sisters" in Christ.

[Winter Biscuit]

Got more questions, I am curious :o

What is the LDS position on end-of-life decisions (life support, etc.)?

This is a confusing one for me...it's my understanding that LDSers believe that endowment is necessary to get into the highest level of heaven (Celestial), correct? (Or something like that? I know you'll correct me if I have this all wrong!) OK, so I think I also understand that children don't go through the temple ceremonies. Is that right? Several people have mentioned that they didn't go through the ceremonies and get their garments until they were adults. What happens if a LDS child dies before they are endowed? Would it therefore be impossible for them to get into the Celestial kingdom because they weren't endowed? I understand that they would be sealed to their parents (assuming they were born to the parents after their marrage was sealed in the temple) but thought that LDSers still needed the endowment to get admitted to heaven.

[LyLMyssChaos]

Got more questions, I am curious :o

What is the LDS position on end-of-life decisions (life support, etc.)?

This is a confusing one for me...it's my understanding that LDSers believe that endowment is necessary to get into the highest level of heaven (Celestial), correct? (Or something like that? I know you'll correct me if I have this all wrong!) OK, so I think I also understand that children don't go through the temple ceremonies. Is that right? Several people have mentioned that they didn't go through the ceremonies and get their garments until they were adults. What happens if a LDS child dies before they are endowed? Would it therefore be impossible for them to get into the Celestial kingdom because they weren't endowed? I understand that they would be sealed to their parents (assuming they were born to the parents after their marrage was sealed in the temple) but thought that LDSers still needed the endowment to get admitted to heaven.

It is my understanding that children automatically go to the Celestial Kingdom. They do not need to receive the endowments as an adult would because they would not have been permitted to participate in that ordinanace and therefore it cannot be held "against them." Just like a child that passes before they are old enough to be baptised. They would not need to be baptised either. As far as the Church's position on end of life? I'm not sure it has an official position. But I believe that as far as euthanasia? I believe it is against it because suicide of any kind would be against the teachings of Heavenly Father. But as far as life support goes, I believe that the church knows that there is a time when dying becomes inevitable, and believes that death should be looked upon as a blessing and a purposeful part of an eternal existence. I think I once heard someone quoted as saying that "Members should not feel obligated to extend mortal life by means that are unreasonable."

[bciob22]

O.K. I didn't go to CA.to seemy family. I just couldn'tjustify my dad spending $1500 for us to go for the weekend. I called him yesterday afternoon and they DID call him to be bishop. It was pretty much my thinking all along. The only thing that made me question the Bishop thing is he was just released as Bishop (different ward) 2 years ago when they left on thier mission. They have only been back for about 3 months.

[LyLMyssChaos]

yay for your dad bc!! That just shows that your dad must be good at it, eh? ;)

[bciob22]

yay for your dad bc!! That just shows that your dad must be good at it, eh? ;)


Well he was executive secretary for like 10 years and we always told him he was getting called to rhat til he got it right;)

[LDS Angel 19]

Hope everyone had a nice Christmas!

[LDS Angel 19]

Bump... I miss this thread. Even though I talk with most of ya'll outside of CC somehow, it seems like we hardly ever even talk about church.

[LyLMyssChaos]

Still here!

[karlatta]

Here too! I wish I had something exciting to add, but I'm just plodding along as usual. :)

[mrsface]

I'm here too. DH just got called into the Elder's Quorom Presidency, so that's an adventure. It's a good thing, though. Our ward combines a nice neighborhood and a giant apartment complex so there's lots of turnover and sometimes we (in the apartments) feel out of the loop and ignored. DH was called specifically to help keep the apartment residents informed and get them participating more. We'll see how it goes- he's only been in for 3 weeks!

[Darin's Girl]

Hey Girls! I need some advice from you. My best friend's daughter is getting Blessed this weekend and I wanted to get her a nice gift. I got her 1st daughter a baby ring and wanted to do something a little different. What is an appropriate gift for a blessing?

Thanks in advance!

[LyLMyssChaos]

To be honest, anything that you would give at a baptism, as long as it doesn't say "baptism" on it. Some things that I have heard be given at Blessings are:
A White baby blanket
A special stuffed animal (if you live in a highly populated LDS area, you may even find some that say "I am a Child of God" or "Baby's blessing.")
Precious Moments figurine

Unfortunately, the only physical gift we received at our DD's blessing was that her grandmother made her the dress and bonnet that she wore (http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3d630b3127cce9ede4592350600000016108AbOHLNy1bM9 ) (the bonnet can be folded into a handkerchief to be used on her wedding day) so I'm not much help in the "why types of gifts" department. I believe my son received a stuffed animal from some friends in the ward, but usually I just see people wishing congrats, so I think it's cool that you are doing something for your friend.

[Darin's Girl]

Thanks LyLMyssChaos! I knew that I couldn't get anything that said baptism, only because I accidently said that one day and I was corrected! ;) I saw this darling little cross necklace and didn't know if that would be acceptable. I also thought of a baby ID bracelet, something similar to this. (http://www.thingsremembered.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_10001_10001_542461_-1_1)

Here is a silly question- where can you buy those CTR rings?

[LDS Angel 19]

Personally I love the bracelet idea.

There's bunches of sites that sell CTR rings these days, I got mine Here. (http://deseretbook.com/store/category?category_id=5&group_id=15)

[Winter Biscuit]

I hope you ladies don't mind me asking exactly what the LDS baby blessing is all about. All 4 of my LDS nieces have been blessed, but I was not invited to any of the blessings so I don't know what it was all about. I know LDS does not believe in infant baptism, but it sure sounds like the baby blessing is an infant baptism of sorts, at least in appearance: white gown, special ceremony, family gathering (well, I wasn't invited but all 4 of the non-LDS grandparents were :p ), some gifts, etc. I'd appreciate learning if you are willing to share :)

I also wanted to thank those of you who suggested a journal for a LDS baptism gift (I believe the suggestion was made many months ago in the Religion Rumor Busters thread). My 8-year old niece got baptized this past weekend. I could not attend her baptism, so I will be giving her the journal on Easter. Thanks for the idea :)

[LDS Angel 19]

The white gown is not required, I think it's pretty cultural. I'm currently doped up on cold medicine, so for now I've got a link for you:
http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/priesthood/ordinances/blessing_children.html

I'm sure someone else will come along with a more 'real life' kind of answer too.

[LyLMyssChaos]

I second that the "white gown" is a custom thing and not so much a requirement. My DD had the white gown, and my son wore a white shirt and tie that matched his daddy. For us giving our child a blessing and a name was sort of a formal presentation of our child to the rest of our ward family. It was also an opportunity for my DH to use his Priesthood authority to receive revelation and offer up some advice from our Heavenly Father about how the child should live their life. As a parent it is a very emotional and moving experience. I was not able to hear over either of my children crying what was said, so I really believe that this information is really meant directly for the child as no-one could hear what was being said outside the circle of people involved.

[Winter Biscuit]

Thanks for the clarification and the link. When you mention giving the child a name in addition to the blessing, do you give them a special name that you have chosen just for the blessing, or do you use the name you gave them at birth? If you give them a special name, do they use that name for other ceremonies or aspects in the LDS faith?

[LyLMyssChaos]

We use the name that is on their birth certificate. You just make sure to use their full name. And this would be the name they use for any/all official documents throughout their life. Sometimes babies are not "given a name and blessing" until they are 3 or 4 months old because of family schedules and things.

[Chelsea524]

Just thought I would join in.

I have been some what inactive for the last few years but me and dh are really working being more active, for the last year we have been going to church about every other week or sometimes even just once a month, we have been paying our full tithing but just have had a hard time actually going regularly. The only day that we have off together is Sunday so that is the day we are able to do things as a family. We are wanting to go through the temple together this year, I need to give up my mocha that I love but I only have one about once a month so hopefully that won't be to hard to give up. My brother just got his mission call to Riverside, CA last week. He has been so great at getting the most of the family active again.

Both of my children have been blessed but the struggle I have is my 6 yr olds step mom is babtist and she takes him to her church every other sunday, we try to make it at least the sundays that he is home but he gets so confused between the two, any advice? I really don't want him going to her church but legally I'm not sure that I can do anything about it, his dad in not a member of any church.

[Jellibelli]

Hey, can I join the club?

Screen Name: Jellibelli
Real Name: Trish
Location: Minnesota (grew up in West Valley City, Utah - been in Rexburg, Idaho on and off for the last 10 years)
Marital Status: No prospects
Children: Someday!
Membership Status: Member all my life
Current Calling: Secretary in the RS Presidency (I've realized Heavenly Father will find any way to teach you those attributes you try to run away from - details, paperwork, organization . . . blah blah blah)
Any Concerns / Struggles: I just moved 1200 miles away from everything familiar. I knew this was something I needed to do. Heavenly Father told me He'd take care of me, and do you know what?! He keeps His promises! It's challenging and I miss my family like CRAZY, but I'm learning a lot from being out of my comfort zone. Last week I had PMS, so on the "Glad I Made the Change" scale, I only rated .3%.

Hey, Chelsea524 - You're in a hard spot! Just keep taking him to Primary whenever you can - and pray he'll feel Heavenly Father's love. Pray for him and with him. Kids are so sensitive to the Spirit. He'll feel happy about the things he learns in Primary. This doesn't mean he won't ever question things, but you will be more prepared to help him recognize the truth.

[LDS Angel 19]

Hey, action in this thread, whoooo! I'd love to try to get this going again but I know most of us (me included) seem to have limited computer time these days.

As for us, we moved into a new ward at the beginning of July. So far, so good. It's about half the size of our last ward, so it's a little less intimidating. And they're quite on the ball. They had us speaking in sacrament meeting our third week, and DH was called the next week as assistant ward clerk. No calling for me yet, but I'm sure it won't be much longer.

[Jellibelli]

Angel - Congrats on your new home.

Moving is such a stress bomb! Your DH had a calling that quick? They are on the ball. Some wards, you sit for a year before they call you . . . to be the ward greeter ;).

Guess what girls . . . Monday is almost over!

[charliezangel]

hey ladies....

I have 2 questions and i hope i'm not being too forward.

My first question is about poligamy (did i spell that right??). I know that the LDS church does not agree with it. What i'm wondering is why you do not agree with it, yet there are many Morman "sects" (that's the best word i could come up with) agree with, practice and teach this to their members.

Also, I hear from someone that in the morman faith there are "special" undergarments that are blessed and give you blessings and powers in God. I feel stupid asking about that if it's not true. I hope i'm not offending anyone.

[LDS Angel 19]

Hi, charliezangel.

About Polygamy, I'm not sure I totally understand your question. The sects out there today that still practice it are not part of the main LDS church.

As far as the undergarments, yes, it's true. We may have already covered that in this thread. (I don't remember... But I know it was talked about at length in the previous thread.) Most adult members of the church wear garments to remind them of the covenants (promises) they have made with God. We are told that if we wear them properly they will give us protection.

Feel free to ask any other questions you have.

[charliezangel]

About Polygamy, I'm not sure I totally understand your question. The sects out there today that still practice it are not part of the main LDS church.


Right, i'm wondering why they believe in this practice, but the LDS church does not. Basicly, why are the teachings different.


As far as the undergarments, yes, it's true. We may have already covered that in this thread. (I don't remember... But I know it was talked about at length in the previous thread.) Most adult members of the church wear garments to remind them of the covenants (promises) they have made with God. We are told that if we wear them properly they will give us protection.

I'm a little confused...so are the undergarments blessed by a preist (i'm not sure what you call your religious leaders)? I mean no disrespect whatsoever, but i am trying to understand how undergarments can provide you with protection. What is the correct way to wear them so they protect you??

Thank you for answering these questions. I am truly interested.

[karlatta]

I'll give it a shot, but I'm a little tired, so I hope my answers are coherent.

Right, i'm wondering why they believe in this practice, but the LDS church does not. Basicly, why are the teachings different.
In short, the main LDS church used to practice polygamy as well (like 200 years ago). But as a result of revelation received by the prophet (our church leader) at the time, this practice was discontinued. As you can imagine, there were some church members who were not happy with the command to discontinue the practice of polygamy. And they either continued it at that time or have since started the practice on their own.

We consider people who choose to practice polygamy at this time to be breaking a commandment of God. And they are not considered members of our church. If they are members of the church when they begin practising polygamy, they are excommunicated from the church. They may call themselves "Mormon" or an "LDS sect" and they may hold some of the same beliefs as us, but they are not members of our church, and we do not condone their actions.

I'm a little confused...so are the undergarments blessed by a preist (i'm not sure what you call your religious leaders)? I mean no disrespect whatsoever, but i am trying to understand how undergarments can provide you with protection. What is the correct way to wear them so they protect you??
This question will probably take bit longer to answer, and my DH just came home (and I'd like to spend some time with him). So I'll try to come back tomorrow, if I remember. If I don't, shoot me a PM.

[mrsface]

Karla did a good job explaining polygamy, but I'll add my 2 cents anyway. The groups that practice polygamy today splintered off from the LDS church, for one reason or another. I believe that one of the splintered groups exists because they didn't like who became the prophet after Joseph Smith. They didn't get their way, so they created a new church with many of the same beliefs, but tweaked to their liking so the man they thought should be the next leader could lead them. So yes, they have many similarities to the LDS church and often started out as LDS, until they splintered, but they are not the same.


I'm a little confused...so are the undergarments blessed by a preist (i'm not sure what you call your religious leaders)? I mean no disrespect whatsoever, but i am trying to understand how undergarments can provide you with protection. What is the correct way to wear them so they protect you??

Thank you for answering these questions. I am truly interested.

We first get to wear the garments after going to the temple to make very sacred covenants with God, so they are a sacred thing. But, we don't have to get every pair of underwear blessed by a Bishop (our local leaders- like a priest) :o . We buy them at a special store, and only worthy members can work and shop there, and they are manufactured by faithful members as well, so they remain clean and sacred for us.

It's not so much a belief that our garments have special powers and will protect us from everything- we get hurt and die just like everybody else. It's more that wearing the garments brings us closer to God and helps us remember what we believe, and by living those beliefs and doing right we are blessed.

As far as the correct way to wear them- only wearing them when we are doing what we believe and are worthy, thereby respecting them. Dressing modestly and covering them- not flaunting them (though really, I'm not sure who'd want to show them off!) We are just taught to remember their sacred nature and to respect that.

I hope that helps a bit. If you have other questions or need further clarification please let me know.

Andrea

[karlatta]

And I came back to find a perfect answer about garments by Andrea. I can't say it any better. :D

[charliezangel]

We first get to wear the garments after going to the temple to make very sacred covenants with God, so they are a sacred thing. But, we don't have to get every pair of underwear blessed by a Bishop (our local leaders- like a priest) . We buy them at a special store, and only worthy members can work and shop there, and they are manufactured by faithful members as well, so they remain clean and sacred for us.

It's not so much a belief that our garments have special powers and will protect us from everything- we get hurt and die just like everybody else. It's more that wearing the garments brings us closer to God and helps us remember what we believe, and by living those beliefs and doing right we are blessed.

As far as the correct way to wear them- only wearing them when we are doing what we believe and are worthy, thereby respecting them. Dressing modestly and covering them- not flaunting them (though really, I'm not sure who'd want to show them off!) We are just taught to remember their sacred nature and to respect that.

I hope that helps a bit. If you have other questions or need further clarification please let me know.

OK, i understand better now. Like my grandfather was very orthodox jewish. He wore a talis under his clothes (it is pinned on the inside of the shirt and the fringe hangs down so just abit is showing under the shirt). He wore this for a similar purpose as you wear your special under garments. I never thought of them being alike, but now that you've explained it, it's pretty close.

[Jellibelli]

Charlie - I'm glad you were able to get the answers to your questions (I also think they did a fabulous job of explaining).

Please ask any question you may have. Don't worry about affending any of us. We would love to help you understand ANYTHING. We love the happiness, hope, and peace the things we believe bring to our lives and would be delighted to share that with you!

[charliezangel]

I truly appreciate when people are open to sharing their religion without the intent to convert people. I have an honest intrest in many religions because i do not know about them. Thanks ladies for answering my questions. I am sure i will have more in the future.

BTW: I have realized a lot of my questions from watching Big Love this summer. I really got hooked on the show, but didn't understand a lot of things.

[LDS Angel 19]

Hi girls! Conference is this weekend! I feel like a geek for being as excited as I am. :cool: Here's a link to a pretty good (although long) article about the history of why we have Conference, and a few other things.
General Conference: A Season of Revelation and Renewal (http://deseretbook.com/mormon-life/news/story?story_id=8703)

[bciob22]

Ladies,
I am in desperate need of prayers. My 15 y.o. DD was riding the boy's bikes in the church parking lot after Young Womens tonight and lost her hearing aid that she just got yesterday. I haven't even had time to add it to the homeowners policy and we REALLY can't afford another $1899 to replace it. We said prayers and searched for 2 hours in the dark to no avail. So I'm begging for prayers please!!!! Thanks!!!!

[PinkMartini]

Hey ladies... Not sure if anyone still reads this thread or not (hasn't been posted to since Sept) but I wanted to post and get some advice (on the off chance that some of you are still subscribed)...

I posted earlier on in the thread (I think?) that I'm not a member but have been an investigator for 5 years now. My DH was raised LDS and I started investigating the church after meeting him. I literally had never even heard the words "Mormon" or "Latter Day Saints" until I met him. Well we lived together pretty much from the get go so I never had the chance to be baptised, until just recently... We're now married, so it's acceptable now. I've been through the lessons 5 times now and am on my last lesson currently. We set it up with the missionaries that I'd be baptised the middle of next month (with the hopes that DH's parents could come down when I got baptised)....

Now here lies my dilemna... My DH has been a pretty un-active member for as long as I've known him, and from what I've been told, even longer. We go to church pretty regularily but he has never held a calling since I've known him, nor does he go to the priesthood meetings, ect. We basically stay for Sacrament and that's it. We live in sort of a 'retirement community' where 90% of the people here are 65+. I've been to a few of the relief society meetings but just don't feel comfortable there by myself. I don't really know anyone through church even... My question is, do you ladies think I should hold off on being baptised until we're able to get into more of 'younger' group of people at church (and in turn become more active)? We're hopefully moving across country soon (as soon as DH gets a job offer) and I'm just wondering if that would make more sense. I haven't really aired my concerns with my DH about it, as he wants us to get into the temple to be sealed ASAP and we can't do that until a year after I get baptised...

1 more thing on my mind... I was never raised religious (I've always believed in God, my mother believes in God but I don't think my father does) and never went to church growing up. I realize how 'active' LDS makes you be but I honestly, deep down, don't feel that doing all of these extras (holding a calling, attending 3+ hours of classes every Sunday, ect) are necessary to be close to God. Will that change once we start being more active? I know that this church is true and believe it to be the only true church, honestly. It's the one & only place that's answered all of my questions I've ever had.

Does any of this even make any sense? Anybody go through anything simliar?

[LDS Angel 19]

I'm still here. :)




My question is, do you ladies think I should hold off on being baptised until we're able to get into more of 'younger' group of people at church (and in turn become more active)? We're hopefully moving across country soon (as soon as DH gets a job offer) and I'm just wondering if that would make more sense. I haven't really aired my concerns with my DH about it, as he wants us to get into the temple to be sealed ASAP and we can't do that until a year after I get baptised...


Well, in a word, no. :) The way I see it, the only reason to hold off being baptized is if you don't truely feel the church is true. Yes, there's a large social aspect in our church, but the most important thing is our own indvidual testimonies. Friends will come and go, but a strong testimony is an amazing gift that you can have forever.

1 more thing on my mind... I was never raised religious (I've always believed in God, my mother believes in God but I don't think my father does) and never went to church growing up. I realize how 'active' LDS makes you be but I honestly, deep down, don't feel that doing all of these extras (holding a calling, attending 3+ hours of classes every Sunday, ect) are necessary to be close to God. Will that change once we start being more active? I know that this church is true and believe it to be the only true church, honestly. It's the one & only place that's answered all of my questions I've ever had.

Does any of this even make any sense? Anybody go through anything simliar?

I wasen't raised religious either, and when I joined the church it was a huge change. But theres no way around it. We're not a "Sunday Only" kind of church. it takes getting used to. it might be true that all three hours are absolutly necessary to bring one closer to God, but the truth is that attending those meetings CAN and WILL bring you closer to God. As will serving in a calling. I've learned more about the gospel in my last three months teaching 7 year olds than I probably did in a year.


Sorry if I sound preachy, but I can't really help it. Deciding to get baptized and then being a new convert is not always an easy thing, but the changes and the blessings that you will see in your life are impossible to count. :) Good Luck. And if you have any other questions, we're here. Thanks for reviving the thread. :cool:

[HeatherFL]

Is anyone still here? I spent two days reading the entire thread started by LMC on debunking rumors and myths on religion. I was so thoroughly impressed.

My father was born a Mormon-now an agnostic. My grandmother is a devout Mormon as are many members of my dad's family. I'm an atheist.

Okay, that written I do have some knowledge on the Church of Latter Day Saints, but I have a few more questions. Is anyone here still willing to answer those questions? I mean it in the most respectful manner. Thank you.

Heather

[karlatta]

Heather, I'm still around. And I'm willing to answer questions. :D

[HeatherFL]

karlatta Thank you so much! Okay, I am going to get them together and post them. I understand you may not be able to answer all of them, but I promise they are just honest and curious questions and will be asked with utmost respect. Thank you again! :)

[LDS Angel 19]

Still here too. :) We always welcome respectful questions.

[HeatherFL]

Hi again. :)

Okay, here are some of my questions. Some of them might be too personal, and if they are, I COMPLETELY understand you not feeling comfortable or wanting to answer them. I am just honestly so curious!

1) First, while I was reading the other thread I saw that what happens in Temple is very sacred and you do not discuss and talk about it. This I did know because of my father and my grandmother. But I also read that you wear white into temple, there is no nudity in temple, and a little bit about your sealings and ceremonies. Are there only certain things that you cannot discuss?

2) I read that you must wear your undergarments at almost all times. Ummm, this is one of the questions that may be too personal, so again if you don't answer, I do understand. When you and your husband sleep, do you have to wear the undergarments then too? I mean to sleep in? When you, ummm, are intimate do you have to put the undergarments immediately back on after you and your husband have marital relations? The reason I ask is because I am wondering what the Church's view is on husbands and wives seeing each other naked. Is this okay? Or do you have to be covered up in front of your spouse at all times other than when you are engaged in marital relations?

3) How does this work during childbirth? Do you give birth in a regular hospital or is there a special place you go to? Is it acceptable to be examined by someone outside of the Church? Are you restricted to physicians who are members of the Church delivering your children? Do you have to have partial undergarments on during child delivery? Are there exceptions? For instance, my grandmother had my dad in the kitchen! There was no waiting for her to get to the hospital.

4) When you are married in the Temple, I believe I read that there is no actual separate sealing since the marriage took place in Temple. Are you allowed to talk about who is allowed to be present at the wedding ceremony? The sealing ceremony? Can you get married in a Mormon Church with friends who aren't Mormon present-but just not the Temple?

5) My father was born Mormon, but he doesn't practice. I believe he was also some sort of figure. I don't know what the exact title would be, but I believe at a very young age he even became a deacon? Now that he's in his 60's would his name still be in the records even though he hasn't been involved in the Church for decades?

6) My grandmother has our heritage traced back to the 1100's. I have heard that Mormons keep extremely good records of family history. Would I be allowed to look up records even though I am not a Mormon?

7) Is it true that you cannot touch your spouse until the wedding ceremony? I mean before then? No kissing, no hugging, no holding hands?

Okay, I think that is it for now! Sorry there are so many questions. THANK YOU in advance!

~H.

[HeatherFL]

Oh I have one more!

Is it true that Mormons believe Jesus was a polygamist?

~H.

[LDS Angel 19]

1) First, while I was reading the other thread I saw that what happens in Temple is very sacred and you do not discuss and talk about it. This I did know because of my father and my grandmother. But I also read that you wear white into temple, there is no nudity in temple, and a little bit about your sealings and ceremonies. Are there only certain things that you cannot discuss?

We can discuss some things. We can speak in general terms. We are not able to talk about the specific words that are said or things that are done. As you may have seen in that thread, some members are more comfortable discussing in a little more detail than others, but as a general rule, you'll find that most people won't say much.

2) I read that you must wear your undergarments at almost all times. Ummm, this is one of the questions that may be too personal, so again if you don't answer, I do understand. When you and your husband sleep, do you have to wear the undergarments then too? I mean to sleep in? When you, ummm, are intimate do you have to put the undergarments immediately back on after you and your husband have marital relations? The reason I ask is because I am wondering what the Church's view is on husbands and wives seeing each other naked. Is this okay? Or do you have to be covered up in front of your spouse at all times other than when you are engaged in marital relations?

Again, this is something that some people might talk about more than others. Personally, if you REALLY want to know about my underwear, I'll tell you. :D You ask a personal question, you may get a presonal answer. Kind of taking your question backwords, there's nothing wrong with seeing your husband or wife naked. Perfectly normal and prefectly allowed. We are to wear our garments at all times, but it's prefectly fine to take them off at times you would also take off "normal" underwear, ie sex, swimming, showering.
Yes, you wear them at night oo. And unless it's really cold, my husband and I sleep in only our garments.

3) How does this work during childbirth? Do you give birth in a regular hospital or is there a special place you go to? Is it acceptable to be examined by someone outside of the Church? Are you restricted to physicians who are members of the Church delivering your children? Do you have to have partial undergarments on during child delivery? Are there exceptions? For instance, my grandmother had my dad in the kitchen! There was no waiting for her to get to the hospital.

I gave birth in a regular hospital. I just wore the regular hospital gown. I've never had a doctor that was a member (well, that I know of). I did wear my garments to all of my doctor appointments, but I know some people don't.

4) When you are married in the Temple, I believe I read that there is no actual separate sealing since the marriage took place in Temple. Are you allowed to talk about who is allowed to be present at the wedding ceremony? The sealing ceremony? Can you get married in a Mormon Church with friends who aren't Mormon present-but just not the Temple?

This is maybe where teminology just gets confusing. I was married in the temple, one ceremony counting as my legal marriage and my sealing. Anyone with a temple reccomend was able to attend. Yes, you can get married in the chapel with anyone there, but that is just a legal marriage and not a sealing.

5) My father was born Mormon, but he doesn't practice. I believe he was also some sort of figure. I don't know what the exact title would be, but I believe at a very young age he even became a deacon? Now that he's in his 60's would his name still be in the records even though he hasn't been involved in the Church for decades?

That's totally possible, young men can become deacons at age 12. I'm pretty sure your name is always on the records unless you ask to have it removed or are excommunicated.

6) My grandmother has our heritage traced back to the 1100's. I have heard that Mormons keep extremely good records of family history. Would I be allowed to look up records even though I am not a Mormon?

Certainly. There is a website, run by the church, I think it's familysearch.org. And we have Family History Centers that are open to the public.

7) Is it true that you cannot touch your spouse until the wedding ceremony? I mean before then? No kissing, no hugging, no holding hands?

Nope. Kissing, hugging and holding hands are all fine. Pretty much anything beyond that would have to wait until after the wedding though.

Is it true that Mormons believe Jesus was a polygamist?

There is no offical stance on if Jesus was married or not.

[karlatta]

These are easy ones!

1) First, while I was reading the other thread I saw that what happens in Temple is very sacred and you do not discuss and talk about it. This is I did know because of my father and my grandmother. But I also read that you wear white into temple, there is no nudity in temple, and a little bit about your sealings and ceremonies. Are there only certain things that you cannot discuss?
The temple is the most sacred place on Earth to us, and as such, we don't discuss the details of what goes on there. But we can most certainly tell you general things - such as the fact that we all wear white, and that there is absolutely no nudity, marriages are performed there, etc.

I kind of liken the way I look at what goes on inside the temple to what goes on in my bedroom. People know that DH and I have sex, they know what it generally involves, but if I were to stand around talking about who put what where and stuff like that, it would show that I didn't hold my marital relationship with my DH in very high regard. Likewise, I won't talk about the details of the temple. (For clarification - the temple has absolutely NOTHING to do with sex in any way, shape, or form.)

2) I read that you must wear your undergarments at almost all times. Ummm, this is one of the questions that may be too personal, so again if you don't answer, I do understand. When you and your husband sleep, do you have to wear the undergarments then too? I mean to sleep in? When you, ummm, are intimate do you have to put the undergarments immediately back on after you and your husband have marital relations? The reason I ask is because I am wondering what the Church's view is on husbands and wives seeing each other naked. Is this okay? Or do you have to be covered up in front of your spouse at all times other than when you are engaged in marital relations?
We are counseled to wear our garments day and night, so we sleep in them. We are taught not to look for opportunities to remove them. However, there are certainly occasions when it would be inappropriate to wear the garment. Sex, swimming, strenuous exercise, etc. would all require removal of the garment, but we are encouraged to put it back on as soon as possible. That doesn't mean we go running from the bed to put our garments back on, but I also don't lay around for hours without wearing them. Naked cuddle time is good. :)

Physical intimacy is very important in any marital relationship. My DH sees me naked plenty, and when we are "together", it is completely appropriate for me to remove my garments. I can even take them off and put on lingerie! It's important for my DH and I to bond in every way, and nakedness is a significant part of bonding sexually. :)

3) How does this work during childbirth? Do you give birth in a regular hospital or is there a special place you go to? Is it acceptable to be examined by someone outside of the Church? Are you restricted to physicians who are members of the Church delivering your children? Do you have to have partial undergarments on during child delivery? Are there exceptions? For instance, my grandmother had my dad in the kitchen! There was no waiting for her to get to the hospital.
I just gave birth, so I can answer this! I gave birth in a regular hospital. My doctor is not LDS. I don't think I've ever been to an LDS doctor of any sort. I wouldn't even know how to find one. I chose to remove my garments when I was admitted to the hospital for my induction. I did not put them back on until a few days after I returned home, when my bleeding had slowed. I have not worn my garments any time I have been in the hospital or have had surgery. Different members will have different opinions on when the garment should be taken off, but the bottom line is that we're supposed to try to wear them at all times and not be looking for excuses to take them off.

The garment is sacred to me, so I often remove it for medical examinations. I would rather take it off and have it treated respectfully than to have a hoard of doctors and nurses talking about it, questioning it, making fun of it, etc.

4) When you are married in the Temple, I believe I read that there is no actual separate sealing since the marriage took place in Temple. Are you allowed to talk about who is allowed to be present at the wedding ceremony? The sealing ceremony? Can you get married in a Mormon Church with friends who aren't Mormon present-but just not the Temple?
Terminology here. Any marriage in the temple is a sealing. So there's no need for anything additional if you're "married" in the temple - you're married and sealed at the same time. Only when you're married outside the temple do you need to have a separate ceremony to seal husband and wife together. (A sealing is the ceremony which binds together husband and wife - and families - for time and all eternity.) The sealing is the exact same whether it happens when the couple is originally "married" or if it happens years later.

Any church member worthy of attending the temple is permitted to attend a sealing. That being said, sealings are typically small affairs, as far as guest lists are concerned. Generally, only the families of the bride and groom, with maybe a few close friends, are present for the sealing. A much larger group of people would be invited to the reception.

If a couple chooses to get married in a church building (called a chapel), they can invite anyone they want. It's only the temple that has restrictions.

5) My father was born Mormon, but he doesn't practice. I believe he was also some sort of figure. I don't know what the exact title would be, but I believe at a very young age he even became a deacon? Now that he's in his 60's would his name still be in the records even though he hasn't been involved in the Church for decades?
Most male church members are ordained to the office of Deacon when they are 12 years old. It is the first office in the priesthood, which all worthy male church members hold. If your dad has not done anything to have his name removed from church records (such as being excommunicated or requesting to have his name removed), it should still be there.

6) My grandmother has our heritage traced back to the 1100's. I have heard that Mormons keep extremely good records of family history. Would I be allowed to look up records even though I am not a Mormon?
Absolutely! www.familysearch.org has a huge database. Additionally, you would be welcome at any of the church's family history libraries (usually housed in a church building), where you can research to your heart's content!

7) Is it true that you cannot touch your spouse until the wedding ceremony? I mean before then? No kissing, no hugging, no holding hands?
Um, absolutely untrue. We are commanded to obey the law of chastity, so there should be no sex before marriage. But there's absolutely nothing that says that we can't hold hands, kiss, hug, etc. Some members choose not to do those things (but I personally think they're crazy!), but the church certainly doesn't forbid it. We are counseled to be careful in our actions so that they don't lead to things we shouldn't be doing.

[LDS Angel 19]

Here we go again, I should have known Karla's answers would be better. :)

[mrsface]

Heather~

Those are some interesting and thoughtful questions. I'll do my best to answer some..

1) I feel comfortable sharing the gist of what happens in the temple, but not any specifics. So, I can say that we go and make sacred covenants, but I can't say what those covenants are. I can say that when we are sealed it is for eternity, but the wording used is sacred. Does that clarify?

Yes, we wear white while in the temple, but we wear regular church clothes to and from and change into white once there (dressing rooms and lockers- no nudity...)

2) Garments- I can understand how that could seem like a crazy concept, but it really isn't anything too bizarre. We wear special garments instead of regular underwear, yes, but we are taught to treat it respectfully. I don't wear my garments when working out or playing sports.

My DH and I definitely see each other naked... I wear pretty lingerie and we have a healthy sex life, we shower together and have no qualms about nakedness but generally we do put the garments back on to sleep in. I really don't know what other people do, though, that's just what we do. (And I cannot believe that I writing this! :o)

3) I haven't given birth, so I don't know about garments then, but we don't have any special place to deliver. My sister had one baby at a birthing center, one at home and one in a hospital... As far as doctors and exams- I don't know what religion any of my docs have been....

4) A temple sealing is like a marriage in a catholic church- it is the ceremony, recognized legally and spiritually. We have interviews with our local church leaders and answer questions about our worthiness to enter the temple every 2 years- if we are worthy we get a recommend which is checked at the temple entrance. Only people who have a current recommend are able to attend a sealing (or any temple ceremony). Children are not allowed, because they haven't been through them temple yet. We are absolutely allowed to talk about who was present- often a wedding party takes pictures on the steps of the temple with everyone who was there.

I know of many, many people who have been offended that they weren't allowed in the temple to see their daughter/sister/friend get married. It is often a sad and difficult decision for a couple to make- either get married in the temple for time and all eternity but not have everyone there, or get married 'till death do us part' with everyone watching. My aunt got married in July and not one person in her dh's family was there- he is the only Mormon in his family. It was tough, but the joy of eternal marriage outweighed the sadness of them not being there. Many people will hold a ring ceremony or something so that people not able to attend the sealing can participate.

5) His name probably would still be on the church records.

6) Absolutely! Here in Salt Lake, one of the biggest tourist attractions is the Family History Library. Anybody can go and research. There are people who volunteer and will help you research. http://www.familysearch.org/ This is one of the largest online libraries of records that anyone can search.

7) We can hold hands, kiss, and hug, but anything sexual is reserved for after marriage...

8) I don't know of any doctrine saying that Jesus was a polygamist, and I have never heard that taught.


If you need further clarification I will try to help....

[HeatherFL]

Thank you, both! Uhhh, all three of you I mean! mrsface We x-posted. :) I'm going back to read your replies now.

LDS Angel 19 LOL, I don't mind the personal answers at all. I was just hoping I wasn't overstepping. :)

Thank you both for the website.

Karlatta I have to admit, I was totally wondering if you could take them off to put on lingerie! :o I think I read that your husband isn't Mormon. Can you still be sealed? (Symbolically I think it's such a beautiful idea/practice. I'm sorry, I don't know what the right word is.)

Could any of you explain to me a little bit more about wards? Is this a community you live in and everyone is of the Mormon faith and you all help each other? I think of this as everyone having their own actual residences, but sort "living" together-as in group meals at times and things like that.

Also, this may be a dumb question, but since my grandmother's side of the family is mostly Mormon I am wondering. Every year they have a VERY large family reunion in Utah. I've always wanted to go, but I have to admit I'm sort of intimidated and worried they may not want to associate with me. I am not going to announce my atheism, or anything of the sort, but at the same time they are definitely aware I'm not Mormon, and they always invite me. I know you can associate with people who aren't Mormon, and they are my blood relatives, but I haven't met a lot of them. I know this is more based on the individual, but how would you feel? Would it make you uncomfortable to have a family member there who was a non-believer? Do you think anyone would try to convert me? I am certainly open to learning, I am just wondering how I might make them feel? eta: I have very strong ties to my mother's side of the family and to my Hispanic roots. My grandmother's roots are Danish and they left Europe to escape religious persecution. I am really wanting to learn more about my paternal side.

Thank you all for answering. I might have more questions :o if that's okay. :)

~H.

[HeatherFL]

mrsface LOL like I wrote karlatta I wondered about the lingerie. :o Thank you for being so frank about it. :)

It very much clarifies what you mean about saying what takes place, but not giving details and keeping those things sacred. Thank you. (I understand about the garments. I was just wondering how that works ummmm, with martial relations in the sexual sense. Sorry, that is so nosey! But I was like, "I really want to ask!")

Thank you, again!

[karlatta]

Heather - You are right, my DH isn't a member. We cannot be sealed until he joins the church, which may or may not happen. I don't worry about it. I do what I feel compelled to do for myself, and I love him unconditionally, just as I promised on my wedding day. :)

About Wards - "Ward" is pretty much just a special word for "congregation." To aide in the administrative affairs of the church, the population of members is divided into geographic wards. In my city, for example, there are three wards, one on the north side of town, one on the south side of town, and one in the middle. And they are named 1st ward, 2nd ward, and 3rd ward. All members living in 1st ward's boundaries attend church together. Same for 2nd ward and 3rd ward. Aside from the fact that you're "assigned" to a ward, rather than choosing one like you would in another religion, it's pretty much the same as any other church family. We take meals to each other when we're sick, we have family activities at the church, etc.

Family Reunion - I can't speak for your family, but I would have absolutely no problem with a non-member family member attending a reunion. (And in fact, I often feel the same as you, being the only Mormon in a staunchly non-Mormon family, so I understand what it is like to worry about it!) There may well be people there who try to convert you (but I would not agree with their efforts), so if I were you I would plan to have a pre-planned response to anything that they might say to you. If you're worried about how you're perceived, it would probably help if you made sure that your speech, manner of dress, etc. matched their standards. (I say that hoping that I don't offend you!) It would help stave off awkward glances and stares from any of your less-than-tactful relatives. :) I think that anyone who is worth getting to know better wouldn't have a problem with having you there. And you can just ignore all the rest. :D

[HeatherFL]

Thank you, Karla. I definitely would take my wardrobe into consideration. ;) And I am not offended at all. Cover it up, Heather! :p On that note, in summer would jeans be okay or shorts (not too short) with like a polo-type collared shirt? No tank tops, right?

Thank you for explaining wards to me. I totally get it now.

I think the reference I heard about Jesus possibly being a polygamist was a Journal by Hyde? Sorry I don't remember much more.

Thanks again!

[HeatherFL]

Oh my gosh. It just now dawned on me! My dad's name is Joseph. I wonder why? DUH!!! LOL

[artist]

Hi! I just was reading Heather's questions and the answers. Forgive me if this was covered earlier in the thread, but what exactly is this garment you speak of? If this is too personal, you don't have to answer, but how is it different than undergarments/lingerie one typically buys at a store? Can you buy this garment at a store, or where do you buy it? What is the garment the men wear?

[karlatta]

Heather - Shorts and a polo would be fine. :) Typically, female members wear shirts with sleeves, nothing low-cut, and shorts are worn to the knee. (For that reason, I wear a lot of capri pants.)

artist - The garment is a special set of underclothes that we wear to help us remember sacred covenants that we make inside the temple. I have heard them compared to a priest's robes, which he wears as a symbol of his commitments to God. The only difference is that we wears ours under our clothing rather than on top of our clothing. And we wears ours night and day.

They can be thought of as a simple undershirt and pair of underwear (for both sexes). They are modest in design and help promote modesty in what we choose to wear. They can only be purchased by members of the church at church-owned distribution centers.

[HeatherFL]

Karla Thanks! I definitely have capris! Oh gosh, definitely nothing low cut! I have to admit, I'll be self-concious so I will be making extra sure everything is appropriate.

[Chelsea524]

Just bumping this up with the news of President Hinckley. So sad, yet so happy that he finally got to join his wife, I think he has been ready for a long time for this. With living in Utah we saw a lot of him on the news but he hasn't been seen in public since they rededicated our state capitol on Jan 4th, people thought this might be coming.

[Chelsea524]

No one around anymore? Or at least not today?

[LDS Angel 19]

I think most of us are still here, just not as much.

I think the thing that saddens me most about President Hinckley's death is that my girls won't know him.

[LyLMyssChaos]

I check this thread out sometimes, but I think activity here has somewhat slowed down.

[Winter Biscuit]

Hi ladies,
I realize this thread hasn't been very active lately, but still thought I'd post. I just wanted to offer my condolences on the recent passing of your prophet. (I realize my post is a few weeks late...) I hope you are all finding peace and comfort in your faith.

[Chelsea524]

Just wanted to see if anyone was around anymore. We have a busy month ahead of us, my brother just got home from his mission last week, we are blessing the twins next Sunday, my oldest is finally having his babtism in two weeks and then we should be getting sealed(FINALLY!) before the end of the month, date not decided yet.

[Pookie]

Hi Ladies,
I'm not sure if anyone still checks this thread, but I was hoping someone was still around. To give some background, my dad's family is Mormon, very much so. (Without going into too much detail, members of our extended family are pretty high up in church leadership.) MIL's family is also Mormon. In my family, it had caused quite a few issues that my dad did not go on a mission and does not consider himself a current member. My grandma recently passed away. After attending her funeral and after reflecting more on things I've heard in our family over the years, I was hoping you, Ladies, would be willing to answer some questions. I ask these questions very respectfully. I am very content in my beliefs as an Epsicopal, so if I were to ask my family these questions it would most likely cause some tension. Would this be alright? Also if you are more comfortable I could PM someone? TIA

[LDS Angel 19]

Hi Pookie- I think Karla and I may be the only ones left, but we're certainly willing to answer any questions we can. Here or by PM is fine.

[bciob22]

I still have this thread to alert when posted in. I'll answer anything I can too:D

[karlatta]

I'm here, too. Feel free to ask questions, either here or by PM. :)

[bciob22]

Don't know if anyone is still around in this thread ever but...
So last night was seminary graduation and my oldest graduated seminary.
i was bawling like a baby. Weird:rolleyes:

[karlatta]

Oh, goodness, I can't even imagine. I certainly don't look forward to those 6am classes when my kids get old enough!

[bciob22]

Oh, goodness, I can't even imagine. I certainly don't look forward to those 6am classes when my kids get old enough!

I live in Idaho so the lucky brats get it as part of thier school time. I had to do the 6 AM classes in HS and we lived 1 1/2 hours from church:eek: