Tom and Katie....

[imagirliegirl]

So she has to give birth with no epidural, and completely silently? Good luck with THAT one. I feel extremely sorry for that girl.


Oh brother...:rolleyes:

Seriously, she HAS to be brainwashed. I mean, the woman was accepted to Columbia. She's not an idiot. I just don't understand how else she could have gotten herself so wrapped up in all of this nonsense.

I actually feel sort of scared for her.

[LeslieandPaul]

Are their movies coming out on DVD already? Seems like that would be the opportune time for them to create more spectacles of themselves with the pregnancy story-line. :rolleyes:

Interesting point. Batman Begins is coming out on DVD October 18 and War of the Worlds comes out some time in November.

[jarm]

Yeah, well, she's not the first celeb to go back on her "vow". Britney Spears was another one off the top of my head.

For some reason, I didn't believe Britney when she said it. Katie Holmes just seemed like she meant it. It's probably the whole girl-next-door look, but she seemed wholesome to me.

[kris97]

It's rare to see people so completely in agreement re: a celebrity couple - I wonder, does anyone like them or think they're real?

(I don't- just wondered if there were any dissenting voices.)

[udsweetpea]

So far, I haven't heard if Katie and Tom are opting for the "silent birth". It is an option for Scientologists, although knowing Tom the way we do, I'm sure he's all for it.

[jbenny75]

Interesting point. Batman Begins is coming out on DVD October 18 and War of the Worlds comes out some time in November.


They were discussing this on Best Week Ever. They noted that Batman Begins would be released on DVD in a couple of weeks. Then they predicted that when the War of the Worlds DVD was released, they would announce twins, and also predicted that Mission Impossible 3 would be released in 9 months. :)

[Jessica]

I saw this posted on another message board. Number 5 cracked me up!

DEAR KATIE:

Well, clearly the virginity pledge you made back in your tender years - wait, you're still in your tender years! - has gone the way of Tom Cruise's popularity rating, what with the big news that you're expecting his love child.

You lusty minx!

In honor of your condition, I thought I'd mail you the pregnant woman's bible, "What To Expect When You're Expecting." But I think what you really need is my handy tip-sheet, "What To Expect When You're Expecting Tom Cruise's Baby."

Tip #1. Don't ask for silver baby spoons at the shower. Your guests will use them to gag themselves.

Tip #2. Do not get placenta previa, gestational diabetes or any other life-threatening pregnancy complication requiring major medical attention. Tom will have none of that for his baby-mama! Get off your widening butt and take a walk.

It'll staunch the hemorrhaging.

Tip #3. Likely name if it's a boy: "L. Ron Cruise."

Likely name if it's a girl: "L. Ron Cruise."

Tell yourself it's better than "Apple" Martin. But not as cool as "Kal-el" Cage.

Tip #4. Ditch those sexy stilettos for comfy Birkenstocks. Your swollen feet will feel better and Tiny Tom will feel tall and manly - which is what your relationship is all about.

Tip #5. Ponder pregnancy's most delightful question: Do you wait for the birth to find out what you're having? Or do you ask the ultrasound technician, "Human or alien?"

Tip #6:Since Tom holds a press conference to announce each new insight about "this miracle bag of life," gird yourself for the cameras, post-delivery. Don't look weary, the way most women do after pushing a bowling ball into the world. You are not "most women." You are Tom Cruise's baby-mama, and he expects more from you.

Tip #7: If you feel psychotic after you have Tom's baby, don't go all "Brooke Shields" on him and gobble Paxil like it's Pez.

Instead, chastise yourself for not taking the vitamins that would silence the demonic voices in your head telling you that - yes! - it is possible to make your baby fly!

Tip #8: There's nothing like motherhood to make a girl grow up in a hurry, and you may find yourself questioning Tom's fitness as a father after you deliver. Don't even think of leaving him for a normal man who won't jump on sofas and practice armchair psychiatry.

He had you at "hello."

Best of luck,

Ronnie P.

[solongtogo]

so what happens to her if she makes a peep during delivery? do the aliens shun her?

[jarm]

That cracked me up, Jessica! Thanks for posting it here.

[sarahh]

New photo...
http://images.snapfish.com/344%3B%3A4%3B923232%7Ffp63%3Dot%3E2327%3D524%3D397 %3DXROQDF%3E2323%3B5859%3C%3B84ot1lsi
Source: Oh No They Didn't

[jarm]

She has this very pained expression on her face.

[sarahh]

Looks like she's not feeling well.

[Sophia]

http://images.snapfish.com/344%3B%3A4%3B923232%7Ffp63%3Dot%3E2327%3D524%3D397 %3DXROQDF%3E2323%3B5859%3C%3B84ot1lsi

Her: Oh, crap, what have I gotten myself into?

Him: Woo hoo! I'm getting press!

[jarm]

sophiadp - That was my thought. She looks like she's regretting the whole thing.

[Sposa06]

They're still holding hands, but they're much further apart than they usually are (ie, they're not on top of each other), and she looks like she wants to cry. Poor girl. Maybe the brainwashing is wearing off?

[Scooter]

I always thought he was actually sterile, not infertile. I thought he'd acknowledged that before, when he adopted--but it could be the media confusing the two conditions. If it is infertility, then sadly there's a chance this could all be true--but I still don't believe it.


L Ron hubbard, on homosexuality:from that scientology page posted awhile back:
"The sexual pervert...is actually quite ill physically."
Guess that's why Tom's taking all those vitamins, he thinks he's got a physical illness. ;)

http://images.snapfish.com/344%3B%3A4%3B923232%7Ffp63%3Dot%3E2327%3D524%3D397 %3DXROQDF%3E2323%3B5859%3C%3B84ot1lsi
Katie: Do I have to hold hands with you everywhere we go? It's so gross. I thought this pretend "pregnancy" was enough to fulfill the contract.

Tom: Please don't leave me alone! The only reason I'm getting attention is because people feel sorry for you! I have to always have a girlfriend or else people will catch on to my true sexuality!

(what, is that too mean?)

[cocopops]

New photo...
http://images.snapfish.com/344%3B%3A4%3B923232%7Ffp63%3Dot%3E2327%3D524%3D397 %3DXROQDF%3E2323%3B5859%3C%3B84ot1lsi
Source: Oh No They Didn't

WOW she is already starting to show. Hmmm how on earth did we not figure out she had a tummy before just a few days ago when the announced it. Ughhhhh!

[Becke1084]

This whole thing creeps me out. I really do wonder if it's all a publicity stunt -- for her sake, I hope it is. I would hate for her to be stuck with him (through their child) for the rest of her life, having to fight him on every crazy issue he raises because of his "beliefs." I have seriously started to think of Britney and K-Fed as the model family after all this. UGH.

And the silent birth thing -- double UGH.

As for their movies coming out on DVD, what annoys me is that I didn't even really like KH's character in Batman Begins, but now she's gotten all this attention; meanwhile, the STAR of that movie, Christian Bale, hasn't gotten ANY press since the movie came out because he's not spouting off about some crazy religious sect and having a 6-months-or-less relationship saga! :(

[bethnjim]

Ummm...she could be suffering from morning sickness. My sister looked exactly the same with her first pregnany and now her second too. My sister puked every single day for her entire pregnancy...so Katie could be suffering too. I feel really bad for her. If she is sick, my sister said it is torture!

[keska]

I agree about the morning sickness. That was my first thought.

Personally, I'm really starting to think they are actually a couple. His behavior lately has been over the top, but he was married for 10 years to Nicole Kidman, so we know he can do long-term commitment. I can't imagine Katie Holmes having a baby solely for publicity reasons. She did have a career before she hooked up with TC. So, my conclusion is that they are a genuine couple. If she's willing to get into Scientology because of her relationship with him...well, she won't be the first person to convert to a different religion because of a relationship.

[swcolleen]

I didn't notice if anyone else mentioned this but....could it be possible that maybe his quick engagement came about b/c she got pregnany in june? Most people wait a few months before announcing, don't they? Just a thought...

[jarm]

I think it's the style of the shirt...I really don't think she's showing yet.

I just don't quite understand this whole thing.

[SilverDecember]

October 9, 2005 -- NOW that Katie Holmes is pregnant with Tom Cruise's spawn, she's cutting her last ties to non-Scientologists. The night before she announced she was expecting, Holmes informed her publicist, Leslie Sloane, who also reps Lindsay Lohan and Britney Spears, that her services were no longer needed. Without mentioning she was with child, Holmes explained her flak catching would henceforth be done by Lee Anne De Vette, Cruise's sister and fellow Scientologist. "I wish her all the best," says Sloane, who notes she was as surprised as anyone to hear of Holmes' impending motherhood.

http://www.nypost.com/gossip/29147.htm

[Zelda Von Yitz]

http://www.nypost.com/gossip/29147.htm

I think this is unsettling and scary.:(

Isn't it exceedingly apparent that Katie pretty much is not doing anything on her own, under her own accord?

[Sophia]

Wow, she really has gotten sucked in. Getting rid of her own, sane publicist in order to use TC's crazy sister is sick.

[maggieb]

Remember a while back when Katie had the nasty funk around her mouth? Maybe she couldn't take the meds to help out the funk b/c she knew she was pg back then? Just a thought.

[suzubeane]

Remember a while back when Katie had the nasty funk around her mouth? Maybe she couldn't take the meds to help out the funk b/c she knew she was pg back then? Just a thought.Or maybe she couldn't take the meds because the aliens wouldn't allow it. ;).

[sarahh]

Los Angeles, CA :: Tom Cruise and his pregnant girlfriend Katie Holmes (showing very visibly) watch Tom's daughter Isabella Cruise compete in a soccer match.

http://images.snapfish.com/344%3B%3B7%3B523232%7Ffp63%3Dot%3E2327%3D524%3D397 %3DXROQDF%3E2323%3B5%3B563788ot1lsi

http://images.snapfish.com/344%3B%3B7%3B523232%7Ffp7%3Enu%3D3236%3E433%3E2%3A 6%3EWSNRCG%3D3232%3C4%3C47287%3Anu0mrj

http://images.snapfish.com/344%3B%3B7%3B523232%7Ffp63%3Dot%3E2327%3D524%3D397 %3DXROQDF%3E2323%3B5%3B56378%3Aot1lsi

http://images.snapfish.com/344%3B%3B7%3B523232%7Ffp45%3Dot%3E2327%3D524%3D397 %3DXROQDF%3E2323%3B5%3B563792ot1lsi

http://images.snapfish.com/344%3B%3B7%3B523232%7Ffp7%3Enu%3D3236%3E433%3E2%3A 6%3EWSNRCG%3D3232%3C4%3C472884nu0mrj

Source: Just Jared

[MaineBelle]

Why do they always have to be touching each other? I mean they look so awkward with their arms stretched all the way over to touch the other persons knee. It's like they have to convince themselves and the media that they are a real couple.

I'm kind of bummed that they announced the pregnancy so early, it would have been fun to guess - is she? isn't she?

[jeepgirl]

Anyone know how far along she is? A lot of women don't show that much for quite a while... I mean, the public JUST found out about this last week, so how long has she been preggo???

[LittleFredPunkinHead]

I'm hoping it's all fake, and that she's wearing padding. In seven months she'll disappear for a week, and come back with a newborn that they actually bought from a very poor family from a former Soviet state.

[maxandmolly]

She''s an itty bitty thing, so she's more likely to show early. Maybe that's why they announced when they did? They knew the pictures were coming out? I mean, until this broke, things had been awfully quiet from the couch jumper and the brain wash-ee.

[kdotp]

Anyone know how far along she is? A lot of women don't show that much for quite a while... I mean, the public JUST found out about this last week, so how long has she been preggo???
I've heard she's around 12 weeks, which puts her due in mid-late April and means they found out sometime in August.

[Sophia]

http://images.snapfish.com/344%3B%3B7%3B523232%7Ffp45%3Dot%3E2327%3D524%3D397 %3DXROQDF%3E2323%3B5%3B563792ot1lsi

Her belly looks way too high in this pic.

[bensgirl1222]

I wonder why she'd fake it though? Odd.

[LittleFredPunkinHead]

As part of the 5 year/$50 million plan they've got going? ;)

[MarriedaGoalie]

Wow... how has no one figured this out prior to now?

[Marilyn]

Los Angeles, CA :: Tom Cruise and his pregnant girlfriend Katie Holmes (showing very visibly) watch Tom's daughter Isabella Cruise compete in a soccer match.



http://images.snapfish.com/344%3B%3B7%3B523232%7Ffp7%3Enu%3D3236%3E433%3E2%3A 6%3EWSNRCG%3D3232%3C4%3C472884nu0mrj

Source: Just Jared

Why does it look like there is a boob sticking out of her belly in this picture???

[andrew&shannah]

Why does it look like there is a boob sticking out of her belly in this picture???


Coming out of lurkdom here...I am SO GLAD that someone else saw that! i thought it might be my imagination!

[JenniferEC]

http://images.snapfish.com/344%3B%3B7%3B523232%7Ffp63%3Dot%3E2327%3D524%3D397 %3DXROQDF%3E2323%3B5%3B563788ot1lsi

Is he now wearing lifts in his shoes? I thought she was taller than him even without heels.

[katmg]

Is he now wearing lifts in his shoes? I thought she was taller than him even without heels.

Yet another "ailment" Scientology cures! I should look into joining - I'm pretty short too! :rolleyes:

[ktsb]

I'm concerned about the timing of all this as well. Didn't they just start dating like this year? They conceive in April, he proposed in July. DANG.

And I'm assuming it was planned? Only because I hear nothing about it being a surprise.

weird weird weird

[MarriedaGoalie]

I think that foreign object sticking out of her belly is problem a belly button ring....

[BooeyJ2]

I'm thinking she's farther along than she's saying. I thought she was only 2 months along when they announced? She just seems to be showing quite a bit for someone who is only supposedly around 2.5 months along (especially since it's her first baby and she's super skinny to begin with). I'm betting she's at least 5 months pregnant.....and I bet he proposed because she was pregnant. A lot of celebrities lie about their due dates to try and trick the paprazzi.

[Astro]

I don't know if she is or isn't, and frankly I don't care. What bothers me is how they seem to use special moments in their relationship as ways to generate press for their movies.

When they "announced" they were dating is when they both had movies opening.

When they got engaged was when Tom was filming Mission Impossible III in Italy.

When they "announced" they were pregnant is about the time their previous movies are coming out on DVD.
War of the Worlds pre-order now. Release November 22
Batman Begins pre-order now. Release October 18

I bet if they are pregnant, their baby will be born in late April or early May to coincide with Tom's latest movie release, Mission Impossible 3 (due 5-5-06)

I don't think it's a coincidence. I think it's very poor planning by their management team, including Tom's sister. I for one will think twice about seeing any movie that includes either of Tom or Katie.

[melones]

Remember how she disappeared for like 2 weeks right before they started dating?? Maybe she was being "impregnated" in some no sex needed scientology ritual :rolleyes:

[Hangin'in]

My sister is tiny.... she weighs in at 98lbs WET! She told us she was PG when she was 2 months along, actually 9 weeks, because she knew that when we saw her we would be able to tell. When she was 3 months, she looked 5, at 5 months she looked ready to give birth... at 7 months I thought she was going to pop, and when she delivered at 39 weeks... she looked like an olive on a toothpick!

[Becke1084]

I for one will think twice about seeing any movie that includes either of Tom or Katie.

I feel the same way. I'm not usually a big celebrity gossip hound, and they are people too, so what they do is their business, but now there's a child involved (an eventual child, anyway). That really changes things, at least in my mind. I think their behavior is appalling, and I can't justify handing over my $8.50 knowing that at least some part of it will go to them (not to mention, I probably won't be able to control my gag reflex when they're onscreen -- especially him). :(

(Where's the puking smilie when you need it??)

[Scooter]

My sister is tiny.... she weighs in at 98lbs WET! She told us she was PG when she was 2 months along, actually 9 weeks, because she knew that when we saw her we would be able to tell. When she was 3 months, she looked 5, at 5 months she looked ready to give birth... at 7 months I thought she was going to pop, and when she delivered at 39 weeks... she looked like an olive on a toothpick!
But how tall is your sister? Katie's 5'8" and taller people don't usually show as early because there's more room for the baby.

I don't know, I'm about Katie's size but a bit shorter, due in April, and people are still telling me for some reason they can't see any belly. Plus, at this point in pregnancy the uterus is still smaller and low, so if she's showing it should be low down, like below her navel. But the way she looks she's carrying up high, which means she's farther along and her uterus has grown a lot more. So 5 months sounds more reasonable to me!

And we know how celebrities like to give fake due dates and to deliver before the paparazzi expect it.

[jesseybell]

I still feel that there is something really weird about this all. Are we really supposed to believe that Tom couldn't get TWO wives pregnant in all the time they were married, but Katie miraculously got pregnant right away?...And if she didn't get pregnant naturally, then what in the world she she doing??!!

[meatpie]

Celebs lie all the time about how pregnant they are so as to throw off the reporters/photogs around due date time. Plus, everyone carries differently. I began to show high really early on that's just where the bump decided to go - she might also be short-waisted. Who knows...:rolleyes:

But I do like the shirt and sweater she is wearing...

[Marilyn]

One thing that makes me think the relationship/pregnancy is for real is that Tom's kids are involved. Wouldn't that be irresponsible to involve them in the lie?

[Sophia]

Katie Holmes is anything but short waisted. And she's tall, to boot. That "bump" is right below her sternum. It's nowhere near her pelvis, where it should be. Now, either she's wearing a fake belly and it shifted up too high when she was sitting, or she is pregnant (I still won't believe it's TC's--neither Mimi nor Nicole got pg during long marriages, AND Nicole's pgcy was "proof" she strayed, but I'm supposed to believe he knocked Katie up right away...I think not)..but IF she's pg, she's much further along than the 3 months sources are saying. And if she's pg, I'm voting for in vitro. I still think it's a bunch of hooey, though. I don't believe for one minute they're in a real relationship.

[Scooter]

Sophia, I agree with everything you said. It just doesn't match up. And for her to be even 4 or 5 months along when they just met in April...well I can't believe that he was able to get her pregnant in just a month or two. Hopefully if she is pg, it's because she's being a surrogate for someone!

[Ilovemygeek]

Why would they lie about when she got pregnant to throw off the paparazzi? They have done everything possible to put themselves in the limelight. It would be out of character for them to hide from any possible publicity.

That being said, she does look like she is about 5 months along.

[beachlvr]

OK, now I am in way a fan of Tom and Kaite, but I know that when I first got pregnant, I got very bloated and couldn't fit into my pants. It went away around the three month mark and then it wasn't so obvious. Maybe that's why she's "showing" already, and it looks weird.

That said, I still can't believe she's pregnant. Yuck!

[suzubeane]

One thing that makes me think the relationship/pregnancy is for real is that Tom's kids are involved. Wouldn't that be irresponsible to involve them in the lie?Ugh ... parents do all sorts of irresponsible things with respect to their kids and their love lives. Given how much actual time he must spend with his kids (between press junkets, movie shoots, and just general gallivanting) I wouldn't be surprised if he convinced himself that they could be fooled with the rest of us.

[cocopops]

In reference to those pics of Katie Holmes over the weekend with Tom watching his daughters soccer game.

Source: http://www.wwtdd.com/index.php?type=one&i=185

Ben Widdicombe included a blind item in his column for the New York Daily News over the weekend that said the following:

"Not everyone is buying that pregnancy story. One PR pro unconnected to the couple says: 'I wonder if she'll lose the baby sometime around December. Nobody can write anything mean about a miscarriage.'"

That’s all it said, it made no mention of Tom Cruise, so this may or may not be about the announcement last Thursday that Katie Holmes is expecting. And before anyone gets all bent out of shape, just realize that most everyone reading this probably has a moral code based on western Judaeo-Christian ethics. Tom Cruises religion is based on outer space monsters trapped in electronic mountain prisons. And maybe based on that, lying about dead babies for attention is like the most noble thing anyone can do. So maybe, just maybe, Tom Cruise is the greatest man who ever lived.


UPDATE: We got a few emails that this story is clearly crap because of these pictures that showed up over the weekend showing Tom and Katie doing something somewhere, and they clearly show that Katie is pregnant. Yeah, well, here's the thing about that, the pictures below were taken 5 months ago, during the second week of May, and either Katie was pregnant then too, or she's just kind of a cookie-dough based lump. Or tubby mess. Or whatever the PC term is for fatties these days.

[cocopops]

Some more strange tummy pics of Katie...

Maybe it is the dress that she is wearing :confused: that makes her stomach look high?? andddd one more side note if she is preggers in this pic why hasn't her chest started to fill out a little bit if she has a tummy already. Maybe since all this speculation has come out that it is all a PR stunt I am looking for certain things. I dunno... Whatever :rolleyes:

Does she still have that funky thing on her lip???????? :eek:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a249/vanessaarj/kh11.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a249/vanessaarj/kh10.jpg

[katmg]

Tom Cruise's pants are too long. That is all.

[Sposa06]

They might've fit if he'd worn the shoes with lifts he's got going now.

Ewwwwwww - they look so much like brother and sister that I get all creeped out when I look at them!

[andrew&shannah]

Some more strange tummy pics of Katie...

Maybe it is the dress that she is wearing :confused: that makes her stomach look high?? andddd one more side note if she is preggers in this pic why hasn't her chest started to fill out a little bit if she has a tummy already. Maybe since all this speculation has come out that it is all a PR stunt I am looking for certain things. I dunno... Whatever :rolleyes:

Does she still have that funky thing on her lip???????? :eek:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a249/vanessaarj/kh11.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a249/vanessaarj/kh10.jpg

That picture is from the Legends Ball which occured in May. It would pretty impossible that she would be showing that early right?
I have to agree on the chest issue too! I can't figure out how she would be showing in her stomach but still be fairly flat chested (compared to other pregnant women).

[melones]

In those soccer game pics...Katie seems to have the belly button pop thing that happens to some people while PG. U have never been PG but doesn't the usually happen at a certain point in your pregnancy??

[Dotsie]

The belly button thing happens to some but not all. Mine never "popped" it just evened out.

It's hard to say if she looks pg. I can't really tell.

[Sophia]

The belly button popping, if it happens, never happens so early. They're sayinf 3 months, and that would be way too early.

[Sophia]

"Not everyone is buying that pregnancy story. One PR pro unconnected to the couple says: 'I wonder if she'll lose the baby sometime around December. Nobody can write anything mean about a miscarriage.'"

That’s all it said, it made no mention of Tom Cruise, so this may or may not be about the announcement last Thursday that Katie Holmes is expecting. And before anyone gets all bent out of shape, just realize that most everyone reading this probably has a moral code based on western Judaeo-Christian ethics. Tom Cruises religion is based on outer space monsters trapped in electronic mountain prisons. And maybe based on that, lying about dead babies for attention is like the most noble thing anyone can do. So maybe, just maybe, Tom Cruise is the greatest man who ever lived.


OMG, that's exactly what I said! And the "justification" seems in line with TC's whacked out priorities, too.

[LittleFredPunkinHead]

Tom Cruises religion is based on outer space monsters trapped in electronic mountain prisons. And maybe based on that, lying about dead babies for attention is like the most noble thing anyone can do. So maybe, just maybe, Tom Cruise is the greatest man who ever lived.
snicker!

[cocopops]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/JunkFeud/tomkat/egd34x.jpg

Here is another angle...

[DianaFaye]

I was watching ET a week ago and they said she was 3 months pregnant and due in the spring.

Sorry I just realized this has been said a zillion times already. :o

[kristine80]

I can't figure out how she would be showing in her stomach but still be fairly flat chested (compared to other pregnant women).

FWIW, during my first pregnancy my boobs did not grow at all... I was pretty bummed :p

[taraw]

FWIW, during my first pregnancy my boobs did not grow at all... I was pretty bummed :p

Mine didn't either and I am pretty flat chested as well.

[suzubeane]

The most recent picture that cocopops posted above makes me think that the protrusion might be the closure or waistline of a *really* high-waisted pair of maternity pants.

Just graping at straws now ...

[bellaprincess]

Here is another new picture of Tom and Katie :
http://images5.theimagehosting.com/ztomkatie_419.jpg (http://www.theimagehosting.com)

I think she is at least 5 months along.

There are more pictures here:
http://www.katieholmespictures.com/gallery/
thumbnails.php?album=814&page=1&sort=dd (http://www.katieholmespictures.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=814&page=1&sort=dd)

[cocopops]

are they at a grave site?

For a laugh...
http://www.boomspeed.com/allhailme/100505_tomkatbaby.jpg

[bellaprincess]

Sorry about that! :)

They are from the MI3 set.

[October2002Bride]

she is showing quite alot and her boobs look bigger in these new fotos than in the one where they went to the ball(white dress) Geez look at me staring at boobies!!:o

anyway, it could be invitro and she is having twins?? women expecting twins usually show faster than others cause they are caring two babies.

I dont know maybe its her ex boyfriends?

Hahha wouldnt that be fun? Cant belive TC got her pregoo so quickly although alot of people get pregnant on the first try.

[kat]

Coming out of lurkdom to say that as much as they BOTH (but of course especially Tom) creep me out, I think she's really pregnant. Maybe further along than they're saying, but based on my own experience, I don't think her belly is "too high." Now, FWIW, that's about what I looked like at 3 months, but I'm expecting twins (and am now a gazillion times bigger). So I'd guess that's she's either further along than 3 months, or she's expecting multiples. I'm also taller than she is but not as tiny, FWIW (though if you look at the "March Mommas" thread, you'll see that many women due in March don't look as pg as Katie does in those pics).

(Oh, and I agree that the weird protrusion thing is probably a navel ring....that's what mine looked like before I took it out (in fact, the reason I took it out was because it looked really weird through thin t-shirts :D)).

By the way, if they did IVF they probably would've had to start the process almost immediately after they started dating (it's not like you can walk in and *bingo* be pregnant -- it takes a couple of months, at least).

[cocopops]

Coming out of lurkdom to say that as much as they BOTH (but of course especially Tom) creep me out, I think she's really pregnant. Maybe further along than they're saying, but based on my own experience, I don't think her belly is "too high." Now, FWIW, that's about what I looked like at 3 months, but I'm expecting twins (and am now a gazillion times bigger). So I'd guess that's she's either further along than 3 months, or she's expecting multiples.

By the way, if they did IVF they probably would've had to start the process almost immediately after they started dating (it's not like you can walk in and *bingo* be pregnant -- it takes a couple of months, at least).

So ewww since they started dating late april, does that mean they had that "meeting" took off in a jet to wherever and did the nasty, Katie got pregnant and bing bang boom they are together/engaged etc. :eek: So so not catholic of her if that is what happened!

[cocoa_femme]

This whole situation gives me the heebie geebies. That being said, I think she's actually pregnant (be it by TC, or aliens :rolleyes: ).

[melnv]

If you look at a few of the older pics on the site bellaprincess posted you can see the start of a belly.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a101/italiaAnja/ztomkatie_349.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a101/italiaAnja/ztomkatie_346.jpg

It looks to be a bit lower there.

[bellaprincess]

I 'm starting to think maybe she is carrying twins...

[melones]

If she is having twins that makes me even more suspicious of IVF.

[AusMarchBride]

Kat said By the way, if they did IVF they probably would've had to start the process almost immediately after they started dating (it's not like you can walk in and *bingo* be pregnant -- it takes a couple of months, at least).

I agree completely, but with one big proviso in their case, money talks. I bet if TC walked into an IVF clinic, they'd have her cycling before you could blink.

[kat]

Yeah, assuming she was ready to start stims.....but she'd have to do some sort of "lead-in" cycle first, no? At my clinic, it was a month of BCPs, which I know is very common (but not universal). I know your procedure is somewhat different in Australia, but don't you usually have "lead-in" cycles of some sort? (Don't force me to go back to the WC to find your posts on the old IVF thread!!! Please don't make me go back there!! :D :D).

[mia's mama]

I think she is preggo too...no matter how WRONG this whole thing is. Yuck. But I'm guessing she's 4 1/2 or 5 months along, like some previous posters have mentioned. I carried pretty high and my boobs didn't grow at all, until after DD was born (which totally sucked because I'm as flat as a wall to begin with)...

[icedwhite]

these were just put up, from www.hollywoodrag.com:

http://www.hollywoodrag.com/images/uploads/cruise_katie_holmes.jpg
http://www.hollywoodrag.com/images/uploads/cruise_katie_holmes2.jpg
http://www.hollywoodrag.com/images/uploads/cruise_katie_holmes3.jpg

her bump looks pretty big for just 3 months...

[MsPeachy]

x-posted in Celeb Gossip

From MSN Scoop (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9546108/)
Katie’s dad furious about shotgun wedding

By Jeannette Walls
MSNBC
Updated: 2:58 a.m. ET Oct. 12, 2005
Tom Cruise’s future father-in-law apparently isn’t a happy camper.

Katie Holmes’s dad is said to be “very upset” because his unmarried daughter is pregnant with Cruise’s child. And, what’s more, the devoutly Catholic Martin Holmes reportedly is none-too-thrilled about his daughter’s involvement in her husband-to-be’s controversial religion, Scientology.

“[Martin Holmes] was very upset and got into a real spat with Katie,” the forthcoming issue of Life & Style Weekly quotes “a close friend” of Cruise as saying. “Tom had promised her parents that they would do the right thing and get married before any baby came along.” After scolding his daughter, according to the mag, Martin Holmes berated Cruise by declaring “You’re no good.”

“He said he and his wife were very upset by the news,” according to the source, “and demanded the pair get married quickly.”

Furthermore, a member of Christ the King Church, which the Holmes family belongs to, told L&S that Cruise and Holmes’ publicist, his sister Lee Anne DeVette, sent a letter to parishioners, asking them not to talk to reporters. Although a family friend told the mag that the Holmes family is thrilled by the news of a grandchild, they’re also concerned.

“It seemed like Katie was being controlled by Scientologists,” the friend told L&S. “Now they wonder if it’s a Rosemary’s Baby situation, where Katie is being groomed to provide Tom with a child.”

DeVette didn’t respond to The Scoop’s repeated requests for comment.

[Sophia]

mia's mama, your pic supports what I'm saying very well. You're 18 weeks in that pic (and look great!), which is much different from the 3 months along Katie supposedly is. Something is amiss.

[LittleFredPunkinHead]

“He said he and his wife were very upset by the news,” according to the source, “and demanded the pair get married quickly.”
Bad idea, Papa Holmes. Marrying the maniac will only send Katie up the creek faster.

[Sposa06]

I love this - they're the same height in this picture because Marionette is on the ground and Couch Jumper is on a curb!

http://www.hollywoodrag.com/images/uploads/cruise_katie_holmes3.jpg

[Sophia]

I noticed that, too, Sposa06. :)

[paiger]

I love this - they're the same height in this picture because Marionette is on the ground and Couch Jumper is on a curb!

Actually, if Marionette had any simblance of posture, she'd still be taller than CJ, but alas, she walks as though her lines are quite tight enough.:)

[katmg]

I know this is going to sound tacky, but can anyone else see her nipples in that sweater? That's a pretty chunky sweater to be nipping through...

[Mindy3094]

can anyone else see her nipples in that sweater?
I can't see them but they do enlarge in pregnancy and are sometimes hard to hide through clothes. Trust me on that one.

And there is NO WAY she is only 3 months along (unless she happens to be carrying multiples). I would go with at least 5 months. I am 5 months now, very short, and she looks bigger than me in that photo.

[greenbunny]

MSN is also saying she has to be five months gone. And there's a video about Scientology birth but I can't view it at work, so no idea if it's real or not.

http://entertainment.msn.com/movies/hotgossip4

[kat]

I can't see them but they do enlarge in pregnancy and are sometimes hard to hide through clothes. Trust me on that one.


Yep. Trust me on that one, too. :D

So when did they supposedly start dating again? All I've heard is the date they "went public" with their relationship, but does anyone know when they actually started dating?

Oh, and LOL at "Marionette" and "Couch Jumper"!!! :D

[SoCoWife]

Are they in a cemetary?

[cocopops]

It is about time I was even upset for them! Still am! Poor Katie!



Tom Cruise can't count on Papa Holmes to be supportive after the latest baby news. He is said to be very upset that Cruise impregnated his daughter without first walking down the aisle. Let's not even go into his disapproval of Scientology's, Cruise's contraversial religion.

“[Martin Holmes] was very upset and got into a real spat with Katie,” a source tells Life & Style Magazine.

“Tom had promised her parents that they would do the right thing and get married before any baby came along.”

After giving his daughter the lip, Katie's father angrily yelled "You're no good" to Cruise.

“He said he and his wife were very upset by the news and demanded the pair get married quickly.”

Tom Cruise's sister, Lee Anne DeVette also their publicist, sent letters to parishoners of the Holmes family church asking them not to speaks to the reporters.

Although a family friend told the mag that the Holmes family is thrilled by the news of a grandchild, they’re also concerned.

“It seemed like Katie was being controlled by Scientologists,” the close friend revealed. “Now they wonder if it’s a Rosemary’s Baby situation, where Katie is being groomed to provide Tom with a child.”

This is sounding really creepy if in fact she is just manufacturing this child for Cruise.

So he lied to her parents and decided to take the plunge and get her pregnant. I'm sure her parents hate him now. I just find this all too fast. She was with some guy Chris Kline for a few years and supposdely was a virgin that whole time. Since being with Cruise she has rose to from barely visible to a media staple for months.

The whole relationship between Katie Holmes and Tom Cruise was quite a spectacle ever since he jumped on Oprah's couch. For some reason I don't think people can forget that so easily. The months that followed were the most ridiculous I have seen.

[monique]

From MSN today...

The TomKat Womb Watch Begins

Just how long will we have to wait before Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes introduce us to the most "amazing" and "magnificent" baby ever? Pictures snapped this weekend of the actress' expanding belly have raised speculation as to whether she's further along than the rumored three months.

Paparazzi captured Katie's swelling midsection and what appeared to be her protruding belly button (and yes, the mere fact that we're studying her belly button fills us with an overwhelming sense of ookiness) when she and Tom turned up to cheer on his 12-year-old daughter Bella (mom is Nicole Kidman) at her soccer game Saturday in L.A.

"She had a very considerable bump, and you could see her belly button through her floaty top," a spywitness tells the London Daily Mail. "To me she looked more like a girl who was five months pregnant than three. If she does still have six months of her term left to go, she is going to be as big as a house by the time the baby arrives."

The squicky squeezes, whose baby announcement last week came six months after they took their romance very, very public and four months after Cruise popped the question, couldn't have looked more lovey-dovey at the game as they swapped spit, nuzzled, whispered in each other's ears, hugged and held hands.

And while there's still no word on whether Katie will opt for a Scientology-suggested "silent birth," she is apparently showing her commitment to her future husband by ditching her longtime rep and signing on with his publi-sis, Lee Anne Devette, reports the New York Daily News.

"We were with her for nine years," says Holmes' former flack Leslie Sloane Zelnick, who was reportedly let go the day before the baby news broke. "We wish her the best. She has chosen to work with her future sister-in-law. We wish her well, and congratulate her on her happy news."

Video: Childbirth the Scientology way

[HisSpicy]

Hmm, I'm not going to weigh in on how she got pregnant, but I didn't realize that her belly was big enough to be considered 5 months. My only frame of reference is my sister, but she was a lot bigger at 5 months, and only had one baby.
http://images.snapfish.com/344%3C397523232%7Ffp63%3Dot%3E2357%3D%3B45%3D%3A56 %3DXROQDF%3E2323%3B64465%3A78ot1lsi

That is her 4 months before her son was born. Not the greatest picture, but I hope you can see she is a lot bigger than Katie... so I don't know what to think.

[Bellefior]

Dropping off more grist for the TomKat Mill!

No 'Shame' for Katie as She Quits Movie

By William Keck, USA TODAY

(Oct. 13) -- Katie Holmes, 26, is taking her next role very seriously. After announcing that she and fiancé Tom Cruise, 43, are expecting, Holmes is dropping out of the Dennis Quaid drama Shame On You to concentrate on her pregnancy, the next issue of People magazine reports.

That is no surprise to Oliver Hudson, Holmes' co-star on Dawson's Creek. "She's a nurturer. She wouldn't be having a baby if she wasn't ready," Hudson tells People.

Cruise's Vanilla Sky director, Cameron Crowe, tells People that he got the news before the big announcement: "He's (Cruise) an enthusiastic guy, so you can imagine how happy he was."

[greenbunny]

Okay, after much thought (like during my ten-minute break this morning) here is my theory about this whole situation. It is completely unsupported by anything, but what the heck? It's not like MSN gossip has footnotes.

During her mysterious two-week disappearance, Katie was actually on a sex-and-booze bender, having finally succumbed to cute-as-pie poisoning. Holed up with a secret lover, she throws caution to the winds and gives in to the raging Joey desires that have built up over years of pursing her mouth and being quiet and thoughtful.

Soon after, her worst fears are comfirmed as she pees on several sticks and does not see that blessed minus sign. Quickly her reps swing into action. After several plans are tossed around, including attempting to make Chris Klein seem remotely capable of sex, they stumble across Tom Cruise's desire for a new cover story. They quickly hammer out a deal.

Eager to appear masculine once again, Cruise jumps at the chance to pretend his sperm are remotely useful. And continues jumping. Katie is still in a knocked-up fog, halfway between Catholic embarrassment and awe at holding the hand of the guy who she spent many slumber parties watching dance across her screen in a dress shirt and socks.

Soon she realizes she's in way over her head, despite towering over her cardboard cut-out manfriend. His crazy minions are following her everywhere, even monitoring her bathroom habits. She wants to cry out to her family and friends, but is torn between having a kick-ass name on her baby's birth certificate, and escaping with as few electric adjustments as possible. As her belly grows, so does her quandary, and she sinks deeper and deeper into the mire of tinfoil hats. Who will save her now that Dawson is cancelled?

[HisSpicy]

Okay, after much thought (like during my ten-minute break this morning) here is my theory about this whole situation. It is completely unsupported by anything, but what the heck? It's not like MSN gossip has footnotes.

During her mysterious two-week disappearance, Katie was actually on a sex-and-booze bender, having finally succumbed to cute-as-pie poisoning. Holed up with a secret lover, she throws caution to the winds and gives in to the raging Joey desires that have built up over years of pursing her mouth and being quiet and thoughtful.

Soon after, her worst fears are comfirmed as she pees on several sticks and does not see that blessed minus sign. Quickly her reps swing into action. After several plans are tossed around, including attempting to make Chris Klein seem remotely capable of sex, they stumble across Tom Cruise's desire for a new cover story. They quickly hammer out a deal.

Eager to appear masculine once again, Cruise jumps at the chance to pretend his sperm are remotely useful. And continues jumping. Katie is still in a knocked-up fog, halfway between Catholic embarrassment and awe at holding the hand of the guy who she spent many slumber parties watching dance across her screen in a dress shirt and socks.

Soon she realizes she's in way over her head, despite towering over her cardboard cut-out manfriend. His crazy minions are following her everywhere, even monitoring her bathroom habits. She wants to cry out to her family and friends, but is torn between having a kick-ass name on her baby's birth certificate, and escaping with as few electric adjustments as possible. As her belly grows, so does her quandary, and she sinks deeper and deeper into the mire of tinfoil hats. Who will save her now that Dawson is cancelled?


I love it! :D That makes so much more sense than anything else we've heard! (I love the way you write by the way.)

[kat]

LOL greenbunny!!! I nearly choked when I read "cardboard cut-out manfriend." :D

Oh, and HisSpicy: month 5 is a month of huge changes for many women, so it might depend on "when" in the month the picture was taken. But what I'd really love to see is a pic of your sister at 3 months pregnant, to see whether she looked like Katie looks. I'd be very, very surprised if she was showing that early, especially if that's her first pregnancy and it was a single kid.

[Scooter]

Ok, in the later pics (not the soccer game ones) she does look pregnant. Her belly looks a LOT lower to me in those other pics, like the white sweater one. *sish* I guess I have to give up the idea this is not real??

Yeah, assuming she was ready to start stims.....but she'd have to do some sort of "lead-in" cycle first, no?

I was thinking about this, too. Remember, their 1st meeting was planned & some have said there was a contract. To be really cynical, she could have been preparing for a cycle before they officially met. And it could also be one of the reasons all the actresses on his dating list were young--better chances with their fertility. (I know, it's so 'conspiracy theory.')

[Call_Me_Scarlett]

That's the best theory I've heard so far greenbunny!

[cocopops]

Okay, after much thought (like during my ten-minute break this morning) here is my theory about this whole situation. It is completely unsupported by anything, but what the heck? It's not like MSN gossip has footnotes.

During her mysterious two-week disappearance, Katie was actually on a sex-and-booze bender, having finally succumbed to cute-as-pie poisoning. Holed up with a secret lover, she throws caution to the winds and gives in to the raging Joey desires that have built up over years of pursing her mouth and being quiet and thoughtful.

Soon after, her worst fears are comfirmed as she pees on several sticks and does not see that blessed minus sign. Quickly her reps swing into action. After several plans are tossed around, including attempting to make Chris Klein seem remotely capable of sex, they stumble across Tom Cruise's desire for a new cover story. They quickly hammer out a deal.

Eager to appear masculine once again, Cruise jumps at the chance to pretend his sperm are remotely useful. And continues jumping. Katie is still in a knocked-up fog, halfway between Catholic embarrassment and awe at holding the hand of the guy who she spent many slumber parties watching dance across her screen in a dress shirt and socks.

Soon she realizes she's in way over her head, despite towering over her cardboard cut-out manfriend. His crazy minions are following her everywhere, even monitoring her bathroom habits. She wants to cry out to her family and friends, but is torn between having a kick-ass name on her baby's birth certificate, and escaping with as few electric adjustments as possible. As her belly grows, so does her quandary, and she sinks deeper and deeper into the mire of tinfoil hats. Who will save her now that Dawson is cancelled?

Bwhahahahhahahahahahhaha Greenbunny!!!!!!!!!!

[Lizard]

Okay, after much thought (like during my ten-minute break this morning) here is my theory about this whole situation. It is completely unsupported by anything, but what the heck? It's not like MSN gossip has footnotes.

During her mysterious two-week disappearance, Katie was actually on a sex-and-booze bender, having finally succumbed to cute-as-pie poisoning. Holed up with a secret lover, she throws caution to the winds and gives in to the raging Joey desires that have built up over years of pursing her mouth and being quiet and thoughtful.

Soon after, her worst fears are comfirmed as she pees on several sticks and does not see that blessed minus sign. Quickly her reps swing into action. After several plans are tossed around, including attempting to make Chris Klein seem remotely capable of sex, they stumble across Tom Cruise's desire for a new cover story. They quickly hammer out a deal.

Eager to appear masculine once again, Cruise jumps at the chance to pretend his sperm are remotely useful. And continues jumping. Katie is still in a knocked-up fog, halfway between Catholic embarrassment and awe at holding the hand of the guy who she spent many slumber parties watching dance across her screen in a dress shirt and socks.

Soon she realizes she's in way over her head, despite towering over her cardboard cut-out manfriend. His crazy minions are following her everywhere, even monitoring her bathroom habits. She wants to cry out to her family and friends, but is torn between having a kick-ass name on her baby's birth certificate, and escaping with as few electric adjustments as possible. As her belly grows, so does her quandary, and she sinks deeper and deeper into the mire of tinfoil hats. Who will save her now that Dawson is cancelled?

Too awesome... it's like the Grassy Knoll theory, there was more than one "gunman". :D

[framboise]

Oh my gosh, Greenbunny! That is too too funny! I don't see a single flaw. That *has* to be what happened! Heehee.

[apoppy]

Fabulous theory! This would explain why she was obsessively phoning Chris Klein, as reported several pages back. The evidence is on your side.

[Mandos*Bella]

Have you seen this? I cracked up when I first did :)

http://mirror.randomfoo.net/memes/2005/06/Tom_Cruise_Kills_Oprah.mov

Weird humor, I know.

[Natasha]

HisSpicy--I noticed the little girl int he pic. You show much sooner (per my experience) with child number 2. Just something to consider...

[kat]

Natasha: I think she said her sister was pregnant in that pic with her "only" kid, so I assumed that little girl wasn't her sister's. But if I'm wrong, then yes, you have a point re: showing much sooner with subsequent children.

[Scooter]

Natasha: I think she said her sister was pregnant in that pic with her "only" kid, so I assumed that little girl wasn't her sister's. But if I'm wrong, then yes, you have a point re: showing much sooner with subsequent children.
Here's what the post said: "and only had one baby."
I took it to mean it was a singleton pregnancy, not multiples. I didn't think she meant it was her first pregnancy.

:confused:

[Sophia]

I read it the same as Scooter, that it was a singleton, not multiples, in that particular pregnancy.

[Heidi9771]

GOODness. Is there a wedding date yet?

[Scooter]

GOODness. Is there a wedding date yet?
I dunno, when's their next movie or dvd release? Because that would be a great date for a wedding, wouldn't it? :D

[Kimberland30]

I heard somewhere (radio, tv, who knows) that a wedding date hadn't been set yet because they are too busy. Whatever.

I also don't think she's only 3 months along. While everyone is different, I don't think a bump that "big" would show under clothes at only 3 months. But then again, I wore my regular clothes up to 6 months with my DD and DS, so what do I know? :o

[Mrs U]

MTV here is saying that Katie's dad is putting the pressure on them to get married by the end of the month at the Ritz Carlton Hotel in Cancun.

[Mandos*Bella]

I read in US today that they will get married between November of this year to May 2006. That leaves a pretty big window. They are also suggesting that Katie is due in March-meaning she got pregnant in June...could this be the reason Tom proposed??

[DianaFaye]

Have you seen this? I cracked up when I first did :)

http://mirror.randomfoo.net/memes/2005/06/Tom_Cruise_Kills_Oprah.mov

Weird humor, I know.

Hahaha I love that video. I don't like Oprah so maybe that's why I enjoyed it so much. Hah!

[cocopops]

Hahaha I love that video. I don't like Oprah so maybe that's why I enjoyed it so much. Hah!

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

[katmg]

There was an article in my paper this morning about Tom and Katie going for a 'silent birth' per Scientology guidelines. :rolleyes:

[kugrrly]

oh my!

[Rose]

Leah Remini had her daughter's birth taped for VH1. She is a Scientologist and after the baby was delivered everyone was silent and her DH was whispering. I don't know what the actual birth was like. It didn't seem weird, but if you couldn't make noise during the birth that would be weird.

[wagsgirl]

They're on the cover of People magazine this week (obviously ;) ) and there's a whole little section on the "silent birth". Both Leah Remini and Kelly Preston said a little something. Basically, you are allowed to make noise, but nothing overly excessive or something. Obviously, women grunt, groan, moan, etc but it's kept to a minimum...something about it forming a baby's psyche or something right from birth. It's not "good" for a baby to hear screaming and loud talking, etc...

[ManteoChik]

Crazy ass people!

[kugrrly]

I have not had a child, but I can not imagine not making sounds!

[danielle]

I wonder if you are allowed to make sounds when you are making the baby? I imagine dirty talk would be traumatic.

[ysolde]

I wonder if you are allowed to make sounds when you are making the baby? I imagine dirty talk would be traumatic.


In TomKat's case, it's a moot point, since I doubt they were in the same room when this baby was made.

[Scooter]

In TomKat's case, it's a moot point, since I doubt they were in the same room when this baby was made.
LOL!

I wonder if you are allowed to make sounds when you are making the baby? I imagine dirty talk would be traumatic.I bet psychiatrists invented how much it hurts to have a baby, which causes women to make those traumatic noises while giving birth. It's part of the conspiracy. Maybe they teamed up with drug companies to make a profit from labor and delivery, too. Anyway, since they invented sex, the psychiatrists probably made us make traumatic noises while baby making, as well!

I'm still trying to figure out how the psychiatrists (from millions of years ago) invented sex, though. Did they change the genetics of every person & animal on the planet, to make the body naturally be able to do that? And the way the hormones relate to sex? And how did people & animals reproduce before those psychiatrists came along? Really makes you think. ;)

[Zelda Von Yitz]

This "no sound birth" sounds a great deal like all the gimmicky delivery techniques they had back in the Seventies -- one technique had the mother deliver the child into a tub of water. Another one had the lights dimmed and hardly any sounds at all - bright lights and the sound of apparatus and the conversation of all the medical personnel was supposed to be better for the child's emotional development.

[kugrrly]

it's a moot point

or as joey from friends would say A MOO point! :)

[cocoa_femme]

or as joey from friends would say A MOO point! :)
What's really sad, is when my cousin and I were watching that episode...she didn't get why everyone was laughing :rolleyes:.

[Neen]

one technique had the mother deliver the child into a tub of water

This still happens today.

[TravelGirl]

Another one had the lights dimmed and hardly any sounds at all

So is this. When I gave birth to my son any sound and light bothered me so I had them all turned off. ALL of them. Now, that doesn't mean I was quiet by any stretch of the imagination.

[cocopops]

Crazy ass people!

ITA! :p

[miaclear]

I've never given birth but I'd think low lights would be calming (to everyone). Probably not so effective in letting the Dr see what he needs to see though.

[Golightly]

I was home sick a few years ago and ended up waking up from a nap in the middle of A Baby Story on TLC. I was too lazy to turn the channel, so I watched the episode..

This couple was either adopting a child or had a surrogate (I can't remember which.) The woman giving birth was pretty young and seemed rather apprehensive about the whole thing which is why I'm pretty sure it was an adoption. Anyway...

They had this girl deliver at a "birthing clinic" in a quiet dark room, in a big tub of water... The only people present were the midwife, the couple, and this girl giving birth, who seemed pretty scared.

It was very eerie and quiet with the lights dimmed. Every time this poor girl would moan or start to cry out, the couple would scold her, rather harshly as I remember it. I felt so bad for her, she is obviously in agony, giving birth essentially all alone, except for this couple getting on her case for crying.

After reading this thread, I wonder if the couple were scientologists or something. Somehow, I bet that girl who gave them the baby wasn't.

I mean, to each their own, you know. But I think it was the scared girl who had no moral support that got under my skin.

[mgrace]

From Spotlightingnews.com:

Tom Cruise Wants A Free Wedding Dress For Katie Holmes

"Tom asked Giorgio to design the dress especially and he has had Katie in for several fittings"
Actor Tom Cruise, who is rumored to marry next month with his lover, actress Katie Holmes, wants a free wedding dress designed by Giorgio Armani.

Cruise, 41, one of the highest paid actors in the world, announced last week that he and his girlfriend Holmes are expecting a baby, five months after they got engaged in Paris, France.

A friend told Britain's The Sun newspaper "Tom asked Giorgio to design the dress especially and he has had Katie in for several fittings."

"It's unusual for the groom to have a say in the dress but he has had a lot of input. It seems Tom has a very clear idea of what he wants for the ceremony".

Last week, it was rumored the couple will get married on a beach in Mexico, because Cruise doesn't want his baby born outside of marriage.

A source told Britain's Daily Mirror newspaper: "Tom's old fashioned. He wants his child to be born in wedlock. He's very romantic and wants everything to be in place before the birth".

"They both decided on the Ritz-Carlton in Cancun as soon as they got engaged and initially were planning on tying the knot around Christmas Katie didn't know that she was pregnant, so their arrangements suddenly had to be scrapped."

[katmg]

It was very eerie and quiet with the lights dimmed. Every time this poor girl would moan or start to cry out, the couple would scold her, rather harshly as I remember it.

<Hijack> Obviously, I didn't see this particular episode, but I know that sometimes Drs and midwives will "scold" the woman giving birth and tell her not to scream or make high-pitched sounds b/c it is not productive to getting the baby out. Moaning and low-pitched sounds are supposed to be more productive. </Hijack>

If TC is such a romantic and wants the baby born in wedlock - shouldn't he have waited to conceive the baby in wedlock?? :rolleyes:

[sdianems]

"It's unusual for the groom to have a say in the dress but he has had a lot of input. It seems Tom has a very clear idea of what he wants for the ceremony".
Why is that not surprising?! Of course he has a "say" in the dress....he's a freakin' control freak!
Blech....everything about this makes my skin crawl!

[Sophia]

Control freak.

[AusMarchBride]

If TC is such a romantic and wants the baby born in wedlock - shouldn't he have waited to conceive the baby in wedlock?? :rolleyes:

You're expecting logic from a man who believes psychiatrists have been around for millions of years and that we're all inhabited by extra terrestrials? Good luck with that ;)

[katmg]

You're expecting logic from a man who believes psychiatrists have been around for millions of years and that we're all inhabited by extra terrestrials? Good luck with that ;)

I forgot about that...plus the fact that this is Hollywood and it's perfectly acceptable for stars to do things that the rest of the world would never DREAM of trying!

[lawyergirl25]

<Hijack> Obviously, I didn't see this particular episode, but I know that sometimes Drs and midwives will "scold" the woman giving birth and tell her not to scream or make high-pitched sounds b/c it is not productive to getting the baby out. Moaning and low-pitched sounds are supposed to be more productive. </Hijack>
Really?

No, seriously. Really?

Is it more productive? I guess my gut reaction is, if I'm squeezing another human out of my body, I'm going to make whatever the hell noise I want.

[katmg]

Really?

No, seriously. Really?

Is it more productive? I guess my gut reaction is, if I'm squeezing another human out of my body, I'm going to make whatever the hell noise I want.

I haven't had kids so I don't speak from personal experience here. However, I've read and talked to people first hand that agree with the theory. The whole thing with pain management is to be in control and not let the pain make you become hysterical. If you try it yourself (preferably not at work ;) ) you can feel that high pitched screaming sounds make you feel more out of control than low, moaning noises. Grunts and that sort of thing as you push might help you get the force necessary to push that baby out. High pitched screaming is hard to do whilst pushing.

All that being said, it's just a theory and I'm sure a lot of theories get thrown out the window during childbirth!

[Golightly]

What I remember as being so creepy is that they were scolding her for making any noise at all...

I agree with you on the high pitched scream thing... It screws up your breathing and you don't get enough oxygen, which in turn makes something like "rigor mortis" set in and your body braces against the pain instead of relaxing into it.

[philnikki]

I just gave birth (my beautiful baby girl is 8 weeks old) and I can tell you from experience that I think that this whole silent birth thing is for the birds. It hurt like hell, and I did a lot of screaming. You are supposed to try and control it to some extent to preserve energy for pushing, but when you are in the situation and a human being is passing through your hooha, you pretty much allowed to say anything you damn well please. If my husband were standing there lecturing me on how I need to shut up, well, lets just say I dont think he would have escaped unharmed ;)!

As far as lights go -- I had my eyes closed the whole time! It was the only way I could focus. I could have really cared less about the world around me. Its kinda hard to get too much distraction when that is going on in your body. I think it would have taken an atomic bomb to have gotten my attention elsewhere!

Just my two cents ;) I think Tom is a quack.

[lawyergirl25]

Grunts and that sort of thing as you push might help you get the force necessary to push that baby out. High pitched screaming is hard to do whilst pushing.
Okay, I can see that (and I didn't even have to scream at work ;) ). I suppose if it was easier to grunt than scream, I'd be doing that anyway. My thought was just that if I wanted to scream, I would scream, and if a doctor lectured me about it, I'd probably smack him.

That'd make for quite a peaceful entry into the world for my baby. :)

[katmg]

My thought was just that if I wanted to scream, I would scream, and if a doctor lectured me about it, I'd probably smack him.

Oh yeah! Anybody not pushing something out of one of their orifices does not get an opinion...if I want to scream I'm gonna scream!

[sarahh]

Very interesting...Tom Cruise's Tsunami Coming
Is this the tsunami about to expose Tom Cruise and his beloved Scientology?

This looks like it could be it.

"West Coast sources say Andrew Morton, the notorious unauthorized biographer, was in California last week researching a gimlet-eyed exposé on Cruise and his Scientology pals."

This is going to blow the lid off.

"Morton, whose explosive 1992 tome Diana: Her True Story revealed the truth about the beloved royal’s bouts with bulimia and her fractured marriage to Prince Charles, was spotted having a working lunch at the Rose Café in Venice with celebrity sleuth Paul Barresi and L.A.-based lawyer, and outspoken Scientology critic, Graham Berry."

Paul Barresi - This guy claimed he had an affair with John Travolta!

"Both men have had run-ins with the Church of Scientology over the years. Barresi, who once told the National Enquirer he had a two-year affair with actor John Travolta, was harassed by the sect’s army of private eyes until he recanted the story. Berry also endured an avalanche of attacks from the Church—reportedly including goons plastering his neighborhood with fliers calling him a child molester—after he represented a psychiatrist quoted in a landmark 1991 Time magazine article on Scientology (http://www.xenu.net/archive/media/time910605.html) in a libel suit."Source (www.hollywoodrag.com)

[philnikki]

Thanks for posting that article sarahh! I had no idea to what extent this "religion" had gone to extort money from people and hide their fraud. Wow.

No offense to scientologists out there. Just my opinion.

[sarahh]

Recent pics of Tom and Katie at MI:3 set...

http://images.snapfish.com/344%3C98%3B523232%7Ffp63%3Dot%3E2327%3D524%3D397%3 DXROQDF%3E2323%3B823368%3C5ot1lsi

http://images.snapfish.com/344%3C98%3B523232%7Ffp45%3Dot%3E2327%3D524%3D397%3 DXROQDF%3E2323%3B823368%3C6ot1lsi

http://images.snapfish.com/344%3C98%3B523232%7Ffp64%3Dot%3E2327%3D524%3D397%3 DXROQDF%3E2323%3B823368%3C7ot1lsi

http://images.snapfish.com/344%3C98%3B523232%7Ffp7%3Enu%3D3236%3E433%3E2%3A6% 3EWSNRCG%3D3232%3C732459%3B%3Anu0mrj

Source (www.justjared.com)

[Cativa]

I remember falling in "love" once with a very charismatic guy...and every new little thing was exciting and fabulous.....

then reality set in and I realized he was a total loser. "Love" was excitement and lust - nuf said.

This is why good relationships take TIME.

Tom and Katie...new romance, new movies, new wedding, new baby....no wonder life is "fabulous" with so much happy "new" stuff going on.

Whats gonna happen when the new wears off guys? Are diapers "magnificent?"

I have a very bad feeling that as soon as all the "new" stops these two are headed for splitsville and that poor kid in Katies tummy will be thrown to the nearest nanny.

[MaineBelle]

From Foxnews.com

Katie: Preggers Last June?

Was Katie Holmes already pregnant when War of the Worlds was being promoted? And did Steven Spielberg know?

The answer is: maybe. Of course, we’ll know soon enough. Because if Katie was already with child when Spielberg gave an interview on June 5, she’ll be giving birth by the end of January, beginning of February.

In an interview with Australia’s "60 Minutes" that aired on June 5, Spielberg said of Tom Cruise: “I've known him since '83 and I knew Tom when he first adopted his first two kids and so I really felt that this part suited Tom to a 't.'”

His “first two kids” is a strange way to describe someone’s only two kids, isn’t it? But when you watch Spielberg say it, he’s not making a mistake. It’s possible Cruise told him that Holmes was pregnant that long ago. If so, it means that the couple conceived a child almost immediately after they met on or around April 15.

Holmes’ recent pictures show that she’s between five and six months pregnant, in fact. This was a surprise, certainly. But it does account for Cruise’s weird behavior on Oprah, and the couple’s near silence during August when — after a barrage of press — they seemingly went underground for about four weeks.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,172714,00.html (Full Story Here)

I think the story is reading a lot into 3 words, but it qualifies as Tom and Katie gossip, so I thought I'd post it.

[Rose]

I think the story is reading a lot into 3 words, but it qualifies as Tom and Katie gossip, so I thought I'd post it

I agree although I wouldn't be surprised if she is farther along.

[Golightly]

Oh dear...

Pre-Tom, I'd say that I thought Katie would make a great mom somday...

Now though... I dunno...

I highly doubt that anyone is going to let the child get relegated to a full-time nanny.

Oh dear... this is all getting quite dramatic and interesting, no? Perhaps a little too dramatic from a couple of actors?

In due time we'll learn the truth... This is like the new X-files... The Truth is Out There... we've even got aliens and everything...

[Sophia]

Actually, I find that Spielberg quote very interesting.

[suzubeane]

Meh ... it could mean something significant, but it could also mean that he knew at the time that Tom eventually wanted more kids.

[jenji]

last night on our local news they said Tom and Katie are buying a $1.5M home in Toledo (where Katie's parents live). they showed pictures of the house too, but I can't find anything about it this morning

[mgrace]

Here you go jenji:

Report: TomKat Buys Ohio House

http://www.nbc4.tv/irresistible/5133046/detail.html

POSTED: 8:47 am PDT October 20, 2005
UPDATED: 8:53 am PDT October 20, 2005

Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes could soon be moving to Toledo, Ohio. The celebrity couple is reportedly buying a large home in Toledo, Ohio, suburb.

The traditional-style home is listed at $1.5 million.

Cruise and Holmes have announced they are getting married. Holmes is from Toledo, and this house would allow them to be close to her family.

[greenbunny]

Okay, the "last" June wording, rather than just "June", threw me for a second. I was wondering why they thought darling Kate was pregnant for the past sixteen months...but then, perhaps Scientologist gestation takes longer, what with growing the inner alien and all.

[ellidew]

Coming out of lurkdom. Didn't know if anyone had already posted this: Passion of the Cruise (http://www.passionofcruise.info/)

[Kimberland30]

Okay, the "last" June wording, rather than just "June", threw me for a second. I was wondering why they thought darling Kate was pregnant for the past sixteen months...but then, perhaps Scientologist gestation takes longer, what with growing the inner alien and all.

Bwahhhhhhahhahahah!!!

[bethnjim]

I remember falling in "love" once with a very charismatic guy...and every new little thing was exciting and fabulous.....

Yep, same here. I don't know...I think they seem pretty happy together. Maybe he is just SUPER excited that his boys can swim.

Did anyone wonder if Nicole Kidman didn't have biological kids with him because of the religion thing?? Imagine being told you aren't allowed to make any noise in labor. I would bite his ear off!!

[cocopops]

Imagine being told you aren't allowed to make any noise in labor. I would bite his ear off!!


I would also throw in repeated kicks to the growing area and say if I can't scream niether can you, BASTARD! :p

[bellaprincess]

Cocopops: I would also throw in repeated kicks to the growing area and say if I can't scream niether can you, BASTARD!

LOL!! I just spit water all over my keyboard. I can totally see Katie going ape-shit crazy and doing that to Tiny Tom.

[cocopops]

Coming out of lurkdom. Didn't know if anyone had already posted this: Passion of the Cruise (http://www.passionofcruise.info/)

I know we have heard this before, but I thought id post this. How scary!!!!

LATEST UPDATE: Seems I'm "fair game" alright...

Apart from Ava's numerous email's and faxes (below) about their trademark claims re http://www.scientomogy.info (which I do not consider harassment), it seems the local chapter of the Co$ has decided to begin a non stop barrage of phone calls, emails, and visits to my home - at any hour day or night.

The phone calls are always from a prepaid cellular phone and they've used plenty of different numbers, normally at night from 8pm till midnight. The first few I was stupid enough to answer but now they just call and call and call. When I did speak to "a church member here in Auckland" he kept insisting over and over that we meet to talk about my "vendetta" with the church... I explained that my site is about Mr Cruise not the church and that was extremely clear - and all correspondence was to be through my lawyers and Ava - there was nothing else to say.

Then the visits to my home started. Now I have security cameras stationed at my front door and driveway entrance so I have never answered the door and therefore cannot be certain it is the church... but they have my home address and in 8 months of living here never had unsolicited callers - especially almost daily!

Though when I do meet these guys at least I'll know them from the footage! Interesting thing is... Last census showed only approx. 200 Scientologists in the whole of NZ!! So, I wonder what's next???



The end is near for ScienTOMogy.

The owner of a Tom Cruise-skewering Website that came under scrutiny from the Church of Scientology for its too-close-for-comfort URL has agreed to change the Web address.

"He said he would change it, so, we're waiting for him to do that," Helena Kobrin, an attorney representing the Church of Scientology, said Wednesday.

As of Wednesday afternoon, ScienTOMogy.info was still a valid address, and according to the site, a more popular than ever destination, thanks to recent headlines over its engagement with Scientology lawyers. But changes appeared to be in the works. A new URL, registered on Oct. 13, also was bringing users to ScienTOMogy's vault of Cruise parody videos. Visit for more:

• 101 Craziest TV Moments
• The Awful Truth
• Fashion Police
More stories:War of Words over Cruise Site"Lost" Robbery Suspect FoundPTC Punks "Family Guy"Hilton Denies Sizemore HookupKeys Plugs In at No. 1


The new Web address? PassionofCruise.info.

In an interview with One News in his native New Zealand, the site's Glen Stollery was not exactly admitting defeat. Stollery said he planned to hold onto the ScienTOMogy moniker (the church had requested to be transferred ownership of the URL).

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"There's nothing wrong with what I've done," Stollery told One News. "It makes it very clear it's not a Scientology site."

The matter of Scientology versus ScienTOMogy began in September, when a lawyer for the church informed the site that its domain name infringed on the Scientology trademark.

That ScienTOMogy.info featured pictures of Cruise, arguably the world's most prominent Scientologist, in a straightjacket (that's bride-to-be Katie Holmes in matching restraint-wear), and a video of Cruise "kill[ing]" Oprah Winfrey with a powerful electric current, wasn't an issue, the Scientology camp maintained. It was all about the "m"--the lone letter distinguishing ScienTOMogy from Scientology.

"You can't use somebody's trademark, regardless of what you're saying, if you haven't been given permission," Kobrin said.

What Kobrin called a fairly "routine" trademark issue became a fairly big news story this week when ScienTOMogy went public with the battle.

ScienTOMogy.info was launched in July in the wake of Cruise's couch-jumping declarations of love to Holmes and dead-serious dialogue about the dangers of prescription drugs. According to the site, it's dedicated to "exposing Tom Cruise's moronic behaviour [sic] in his relentless crusade to promote the cult, Church of Scientology." Mostly, it features clips of Cruise's most controversial TV talk-show stops--Oprah Winfrey, The Today Show, etc.--and several short parody videos.

No word on how Mel Gibson is taking to PassionofCruise.

[sarahh]

OMG Coco...that is FREAKY! They are stalking him!

[SusieQ]

O-kay....Up until right now I had only seen short clips of the whole Oprah Couch Jumping scene. I just watched the whole thing and I have to say: this dude is NUTS! I mean, I thought he was a wierdo just from watching a clip but he is out of control strange and totally manic. I'm truly at a loss for words right now. That's all I had to say.:eek:

[Vorian's_Leronica]

<Hijack> Obviously, I didn't see this particular episode, but I know that sometimes Drs and midwives will "scold" the woman giving birth and tell her not to scream or make high-pitched sounds b/c it is not productive to getting the baby out. Moaning and low-pitched sounds are supposed to be more productive. </Hijack>




I've had 3 kids and never once has a dr or nurse or midwife told me what sound i can or cannot make. If they had I would have had a few choice words for them

[swcolleen]

There are tons of documented times when journalists and other -"anti-scientology" people have been stalked-even people who leave the "church" can run into that sort of trouble. I am not surprised now that they are doing it-but do feel for the guy they are bugging.

I did a paper in college comparing scientology to a cult and I remember finding TONS of similiar stories to this guy-and some even worse. When they don't like what you have done-they don't let up.

I would like to believe that tom and katie are genuinely happy but I guess we will just see!! I do feel for the child to be though....maybe once motherhood sinks in she will snap out of it?? Who knows!

[Secret_Squirrel]

No reports on the Katie Holmes interview on the Today show?

I could have sworn I heard Katie Curic say something about that before I left this morning...

[babylove]

I saw it...it was so lame. It was Maria Menudos interviewing Katie last night (I think) at a fashion show. Katie kept saying "We're thrilled. We're so excited. I'm beaming." But didn't give any other juicy info--unless, of course, you consider it headline news that Katie has taken up knitting. Woohoo. She was wearing all black so you couldn't even see the bump. She did say that they didn't have a wedding date yet. So, all in all, a pretty sucky interview.

[ginastorm]

I read an article that said that Katie was preparing for motherhood by learning how to knit. Having the ability to knit is not going to make you instantly prepared for motherhood Katie. I hope she doesn't think that being a mother is that easy!

[Heidi9771]

I read an article that said that Katie was preparing for motherhood by learning how to knit. Having the ability to knit is not going to make you instantly prepared for motherhood Katie. I hope she doesn't think that being a mother is that easy!
LOL- what on earth is the correlation between knitting and motherhood? Must be a scientology thing!:rolleyes:

[Scooter]

LOL- what on earth is the correlation between knitting and motherhood? Must be a scientology thing!:rolleyes:
Hmm, maybe something to take her mind off the fact that her child's dad will be Tom Cruise? What's scarier than that?

Maybe she's going to knit herself a rope ladder so she can escape out the window one night.

[Rosebud]

Katie kept saying "We're thrilled. We're so excited. I'm beaming."

This is all Katie EVER says. Apparently, it's all the Scientology minder who hovers over her shoulder will allow her to say. It's so weird and robotic. But whatever... that girl dug her own grave.

[laurenc]

I read an article that said that Katie was preparing for motherhood by learning how to knit. Having the ability to knit is not going to make you instantly prepared for motherhood Katie. I hope she doesn't think that being a mother is that easy!

well, if she's believing the whole "don't scream during labor" thing, then i'd be willing to bet she's got quite a few, er, misconceptions about birth and parenting...

[jesvet]

Maybe she's going to knit herself a rope ladder so she can escape out the window one night.

ROFLMAO!

[tgray99]

Katie kept saying "We're thrilled. We're so excited. I'm beaming."

This is all Katie EVER says. Apparently, it's all the Scientology minder who hovers over her shoulder will allow her to say. It's so weird and robotic. But whatever... that girl dug her own grave.

Anyone ever seen "Apollo 13"? The part where one of the astronaut's wives reminds the pregnant astronaut's wife "Remember we're proud, happy and thrilled" So that's what the pregnant one says to the reporter, "We're proud, so happy and just thrilled." Reminds me of Katie...can't think on her own.

[KaliLily]

Did anyone wonder if Nicole Kidman didn't have biological kids with him because of the religion thing?? Imagine being told you aren't allowed to make any noise in labor. I would bite his ear off!!

Nicole was pregnant at the time Tom left her, but she miscarried rather soon thereafter. I don't know if this was her only pregnancy with Tom or not.

ETA: Check out this article. It's rather funny. http://slate.msn.com/id/2128041/?nav=ais

[Scooter]

I don't know if this was her only pregnancy with Tom or not.
Supposedly the reason they got divorced was that it possibly wasn't a pregnancy with Tom. He believed it was evidence she'd cheated on him on the set of Moulin Rouge.

[Star_Galaxy]

Katie kept saying "We're thrilled. We're so excited. I'm beaming."

This is all Katie EVER says. Apparently, it's all the Scientology minder who hovers over her shoulder will allow her to say. It's so weird and robotic. But whatever... that girl dug her own grave.


Oh dear.... I actually feel really sorry for the girl. :eek: I wonder how her parents are 'really' feeling about the whole relationship. Its just gone so fast!

Megan :)

[mgrace]

From the Philadelphia Daily News


Howard Gensler | Is Katie Holmes sweet & naive, or just dumb? (http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/living/12998251.htm)


SOME STORIES are hard to believe but you hope they're true. Others are equally hard to believe, but you hope they're not true.

We know Katie Holmes is a sweet, naive girl from Ohio, but this latest story from the upcoming Star has her leaving naive and crossing the border into stupid.

The paper says Holmes was recently shocked when love-of-her-life Tom Cruise asked her to sign a prenup.

"She's freaked out," the Star source says. "I think she thought it meant that he wasn't sure their relationship would last."

"It certainly doesn't seem odd that Cruise would ask her to sign an agreement to protect his assets. After all, he's twice divorced, wise to the ways of the world and worth an estimated $300 million."

And since he doesn't want her to work while she's mothering his child... Let's a see, a 26-year-old pretty brunette in Hollywood... She's worth one-twelfth of a dime.

The source says that the idea of a prenup had never occurred to Ka-Ka-Ka-Katie.

"She is head over heels in love with him and couldn't bear the thought that he might not be equally as in love," the source said. But Tom didn't become the biggest star in Hollywood by not being fast on his feet.

He told Kiss-Me-Katie that the prenup was for "her protection."

And she bought that?

"He explained that at 43, he's more than 16 years older than she is," said the source, "and although he's healthy, who knows what life has in store?"

Worried that he might die young like his dad, Tom told Katie, "he wanted to create a prenup so that she will always be taken care of, no matter what."

Tattle's no divorce lawyer, but we're guessing she would be taken care of just fine if Tom made her and little TomKat the main beneficiaries in his will.

[cocopops]

Howard Gensler | Is Katie Holmes sweet & naive, or just dumb?

Ummm, im going to have to say.... ALL OF THE ABOVE :cool:

[cocopops]

Say it isn't so!?

Nicole Kidman Jealous Of Katie Holmes

That hot Aussie chick, better known as Nicole Kidman, is reportedly devastated that psycho alien-worshipping ex-husband Tom Cruise is having a baby with his brain-washed, enjoy the fame while it lasts wife-to-be, Katie Holmes. (did any of that make sense??) What does this mean? It means Nicole probably still has feelings for Tom. But I hope those feelings are for the sake of the two children she and Tom adopted while they were married (Connor and Isabella), and not because she's still in love with Tom. Because that would be insane...like Tom. "Nicole can't believe it's happening. It was so sudden she shut down. Obviously she must still have feelings for Tom, she's been crying and has been really upset," said a close friend. Nicole only found out about Katie's bun in the oven through the news, despite the fact that she and Tom are in regular contact with eachother. I guess he forgot about that one? Baby probably ain't his anyway...isn't he infertile? If so then there's no way that's his child, unless his alien gods have blessed him with their spawn. Nicole's friend added "This baby means Katie Holmes will be in Tom's life forever. Nicole always cherished the special bond adopting gave her and Tom. Now he will share that bond with Katie.

Poor Nicole. And poor Katie too, she's so clueless it's not even funny...LOL! Here's a simple equation to solve everthing: Nicole › Katie. Ok kids, class is dismissed.

[jesseybell]

Not something we haven't thought of before...

If he is infertile (and she's not), I wonder what made him decide to have a baby with a virtual stranger, while he and Nicole, someone he was married to, jumped to adoption. Maybe technology is better now? Though IVF has been around for a long time and it's not like Nicole was old when they married. If I were her, I would be jealous too. Not because she wants Tom back or anything, but I can imagine her wishing that she had given birth. Hopefully she'll be able to get that wish.

He really is a freak. I love how the cover of US Weekly was about Katie being under his spell.

[cocopops]

He really is a freak. I love how the cover of US Weekly was about Katie being under his spell.

ITA, I saw that yesterday when I went to (TAR'SHAY) Target ;) hehehe and I should have bought it. Great pic of Katie on the cover though. What happened to her? She does not look as cute anymore :(

[monique]

Nicole has probably been crying because she can't believe her ex has turned into such a press-whore looney man to stoop so low as to pretend to get a girl PG!

[suzubeane]

If Nicole IS crying, I suspect it's from the stress of having to raise two kids with their trainwreck of a father. Seriously - there was a time when my ex was acting ... not crazy, but inappropriate. (In a "Post-divorce Phase" kind of way.) It's very stressful to raise kids with someone whose acting bizarrely, and you feel a lot of sadness for your kids.

[cocopops]

http://tinypic.com/f4r5ew.jpg

[cocoa_femme]

cocopops, that is hilarious! :D

[SNK2004]

From the "Silent Night? Holy Crap!" article

I thought this quote was freaking hysterical!

"As Jon Stewart joked on The Daily Show last week, Cruise must have jumped directly from his freakout on Oprah's couch (in his appearance last May 25) into Holmes' vagina."

[Sophia]

LMAO @ that costume!

[LeslieandPaul]

So War of the Worlds comes out Nov 22 on DVD, and as I was telling DH yesterday, that would mean that sometime in the next couple weeks (but most likely sometime after the 15th) TomKat should be making some sort of announcement, whether it be a wedding date or that they're having twins. Just my two cents.

[cocopops]

Maybe this is a sign that she needs to gain some weight :( wow im worried for her!

http://www.celebweb.org/pictures/albums/Nicole%20Richie/Candids/2005/October%2030%20-%20Nicole%20Richie%20and%20Adam%20Goldstein%20Walk ing%20to%20Hollywood%20Cafe/normal_X-NRichieFiance103005-02.jpghttp://www.celebweb.org/pictures/albums/Nicole%20Richie/Candids/2005/October%2030%20-%20Nicole%20Richie%20and%20Adam%20Goldstein%20Walk ing%20to%20Hollywood%20Cafe/normal_X-NRichieFiance103005-06.jpg

[Scooter]

That costume is funny. My mom called to tell me that in their newspaper just before Halloween they had a Tom Cruise mask that you could cut out and wear for your costume. My vote for the scariest costume ever! :eek:

And I bet if Nicole is crying it's because they chose to adopt together and he chose to go ahead and have a "biological" baby with Katie (however they may have conceived). Adopting is wonderful, but it does involve grief and it's gotta be hard for her to have gone through that grief and now be watching him having "his own" child.

[dzil]

Adopting is wonderful, but it does involve grief and it's gotta be hard for her to have gone through that grief and now be watching him having "his own" child.

Huh? Adoption involves grief?

Not to mention, Nicole and Tom's kids are "his own" and "her own" kids.

[SwiftyOWB]

My money is on a wedding AND twins!! Poor poor Katie.

[Sposa06]

Originally Posted by Scooter
Adopting is wonderful, but it does involve grief and it's gotta be hard for her to have gone through that grief and now be watching him having "his own" child.


Huh? Adoption involves grief?

"Grief" can also be used to refer to trouble and difficulty. I assumed that was the way she meant to use the word there, and by "his own," I assumed she meant biological.

[knoelani]

I heard on the radio this morning that she was due mid-feb. Not sure how accurate that is, but I thought I'd share.

[Scooter]

Huh? Adoption involves grief? Yup, sure does. Especially when it comes after infertility, as it publicly did in their situation. Maybe you're just confused by the word grief??

And of course their kids are their own, regardless of who conceived them. You took my quote a little out of context, because the sentence before it (same paragraph, even) I was referring to the biological aspect of it.

You're talking to someone who was only months away from moving to adoption after a long process of infertility, someone whose mother was very happily adopted, and also someone with close friends who are adoptive parents. I have seen it from many sides, there's no need to jump on what I'm saying.

[dzil]

Scooter, if that's the case then I do find your choice of words odd. I don't believe that adoption causes "deep distress", "suffering", or "trouble", all of which are included in the definition of "grief". For a lot of people adoption isn't an option they pursue after infertility- it can also be a first choice. And I don't think they distinguish their bio kids as "their own" and their adoptive kids as something else.

You seem to be familar with these things, but I wanted to give another perspective. Other people in the thread have said similar things that paint adoption as nothing but a second option, and I hope you would agree that this type of attitude is disturbing.

[Hangin'in]

I don't want to take this thread off topic to adoption again, but I have to agree with Scooter and say that it is fair to say that an overwhelming number of people would associate the adoption process with grief. I am adopted, and I am fairly certain that the adoption process is in my future as a way to increase DH and my family. The process itself can definately cause grief, and that's even when you calculate out the MANY grief filled reasons you are in the position to be adopting in the first place. The home study is invasive, the cost is prohibitive, the waiting is almost unbearable, and then you have to calculate in the possibility of a failed adoption, the worry that even though it is highly unlikely, there is still a chance that after you adopt a child, the birth mother can *somehow* take that child away from you. Then there are all of the people who make ignorant statements about *real children* and children of *your own*.

Even though there are a slight number of people who DO NOT adopt because of *fertility issues*, it is not fair to say that most people adopt *out of the goodness of their heart*. They are not adopting because it is the *right* thing to do.... most people adopt because they were not able to conceive a child that is biologically related to them, and they want a family. They have already had a grief filled journey to get to adoption, and then the actual adoption process is a completely different journey... filled with grief in it's own right.

Carry on.... back to Tom and Katie.....

[monique]

I don't know if this has been posted or not, but I heard on the radio that Katie is supposed to be due in February. That time frame would be pretty consistent with the bump she has showing.

[Lil_Mrs_0702]

I heard on the radio that they were going to announce the sex of the baby today. Unfortunately, I don't have regular radio at work. So I don't know if it is a joke or for real.
Hopefully some one here can find out today.

[mgrace]

Tom Cruise is Scientology's biggest donor
Tom Cruise has received an award for becoming the biggest ever money donor to the Church of Scientology. The Hollywood actor, who is a devout followed of the controversial sect, was presented with the Diamond Meritorious Award for donating a staggering 2millionGBP to the organisation.

Tom's pregnant fiancée, Katie Holmes, joined him as he collected the accolade at the three-day Scientology gala at the cult's world headquarters in the UK town of East Grinstead. The couple were given a standing ovation from the crowd, which including 'Pulp Fiction' star John Travolta and his wife, Kelly Preston.

An audience member told Britain's Sunday Mirror newspaper: "It has been an amazing event and it is even more amazing that Tom has brought Katie. It feels really good knowing that she is one of us now."

This is not the first time Tom has received a prize for his donations to the Church of Scientology - last year he was presented with the Platinum Meritorious Award for pledging 1.4millionGBP to the sect. Earlier this year, it was revealed Tom hired a Scientology official to look after Katie during her publicity tour for 'Batman Begins'. The Hollywood heartthrob reportedly asked church representative Jessica Rodriguez to join the 26-year-old beauty as she promoted the summer blockbuster around the world.
http://www.teentoday.co.uk/gossip/gossipstory1161.shtml

And another article...

Katie Holmes Demands Pre-Nuptial Agreement
www.entertainmentwise.com
Preggers Katie Holmes is reportedly demanding a pre-nuptial agreement before she ties the knot with stumpy fiancée, Tom Cruise – guaranteeing her millions if the two ever split.

Holmes is said to be refusing to make an honest man of Tom, unless he signs a legal agreement securing her future – as well as the unborn bambino.

Katie has asked her lawyer father for a hand with the legal documents and according to American reports, he is ‘playing hardball with the negotiations.’ Whatever that means. Daddy Holmes, a devout Catholic, was also rumoured to be displeased that Cruise got his little girl knocked up before they were married.

The proposed agreement will reportedly include a clause guaranteeing the 26-year-old beauty a "payment of millions" if the marriage ends within five years. But Tom is said to be more than happy to sign the agreement if it means pleasing his lovely missus.

The glamorous pair were hoping to get wed at Christmas but are said to have brought the ceremony forward so the sprog isn’t born out of wedlock. The event will now take place at the Ritz-Carlton in Mexico, Bang showbiz report.

[LeslieandPaul]

Wasn't there an article recently where she threw a hissy fit b.c HE wanted a pre-nup? Now they're saying she's the one who wants one. Huh?

[sdianems]

It feels really good knowing that she is one of us now."

YIKES!
And I also remember a blurb here about Tom wanting a pre-nup and that flipping Katie out...

[Scooter]

Ha, not surprised that she's due in Feb. That's exactly what we were talking about a few pages back, about how far along she was. Which means she conceived in June...hmm. I still think that timing is suspicious for natural conception!!


dzil, I think you're just using a different definition of the word grief. It's a word that's extremely common to use when you're talking about the process you go through when you have a loss. And adopting has to do with many, many losses, for both the parent/s and child. Also, I'm not really sure why you're bringing up the own child thing again, when I explained what I was referring to, that it was quoted out of context, and I had used quotes the first time, anyway. I'm assuming because you're coming from the same perspective as I am, ultimately, which is wanting to get people to think about adoption differently Like having people say "their child" instead of "their adopted child" (that drives me crazy!) which is so common.

[tgray99]

Ha, not surprised that she's due in Feb. That's exactly what we were talking about a few pages back, about how far along she was. Which means she conceived in June...hmm. I still think that timing is suspicious for natural conception!!

Not impossible though, DH and I conceived DD unintentionally, forgot to use a condom just once on his birthday. :o So it's possible but not entirely likely for a guy that's been married twice and has never (that we're aware of) conceived a child biologically.

[maplekitty]

Is there any recent pictures of Katie? Is she really due in Feb, from all the last photos of her, she doesn't look very far along??

[Scooter]

Not impossible though, DH and I conceived DD unintentionally, forgot to use a condom just once on his birthday. :o So it's possible but not entirely likely for a guy that's been married twice and has never (that we're aware of) conceived a child biologically.
I definitely agree it's possible--but I'm looking at them and their histories. It's just not adding up! She was vocal about being a virgin until she was married, he said repeatedly that he couldn't have children, and according to rumor he left his pregnant wife because he siad it was proof she'd had an affair. And then literally weeks after meeting, she's pg? I'm just very skeptical.

[melones]

"The event will now take place at the Ritz-Carlton in Mexico"


UHHHH i highly doubt that article got the location of the wedding correct. There only one Ritz's in Mexico...its in Cancun and was devastated by the hurricane and isn't opening until 2006 so they are either getting married after Jan or somewhere else.

[silentbunny]

I haven't read back through all of the pages, but I shared my philosophy with my husband the other night, who proceeded to gawk at me like I was barking mad.

ANYWAY...we know that she was vocal about being a virgin until married. We also know that he is a high-up in the Church of Lunacy, who has been in 2 long marriages and heretofore unable to conceive a child naturally.

Does anyone think there's a chance...that Katie is actually STILL a virgin? That this child was conceived via IVF, to be a virgin birth, and born into an exalted position in the Church of Scientology? That THAT is why Katie was hand-selected, because they knew she was a virgin...like when Diana married Prince Charles?

I know this sounds completely insane, but it seems like everything lately has.

[Lizard]

An audience member told Britain's Sunday Mirror newspaper: "It has been an amazing event and it is even more amazing that Tom has brought Katie. It feels really good knowing that she is one of us now."

Is it a Scientology requirement to use the word "amazing" as many times as possible? :D

[Scooter]

Does anyone think there's a chance...that Katie is actually STILL a virgin? That this child was conceived via IVF, to be a virgin birth, and born into an exalted position in the Church of Scientology?...
I know this sounds completely insane, but it seems like everything lately has.
Nope doesn't sound insane at all. It's what I and some others here have been saying for awhile. A couple posts up I just wrote that the story doesn't add up, which is why I think it was probably IVF, and even possibly from donor sperm.

There are a lot of celebrities out there who conceive in their mid- to late-40s and sometimes even just happen to have twins, and my guess is IVF with donor eggs. Of course they're not publicly saying that, but these things are a lot more common than the celebrities pretend. ;)

[GeekGirl]

Does anyone think there's a chance...that Katie is actually STILL a virgin? That this child was conceived via IVF, to be a virgin birth, and born into an exalted position in the Church of Scientology? That THAT is why Katie was hand-selected, because they knew she was a virgin...like when Diana married Prince Charles?

I know this sounds completely insane, but it seems like everything lately has.

If this speculation ends up being true....then the people who did that to are are more incredibly, indescribably, unimaginitively cruel than I ever suspected. Can you fathom how difficult, how painful that birth would be for her, having never even had sex, much less be allowed meds or to cry out?

Ugh. It makes me ill just thinking about it. I hope it's not true. :mad:

[suzubeane]

Can you fathom how difficult, how painful that birth would be for her, having never even had sex, much less be allowed meds or to cry out?As a non-virgin who has delivered two babies, I just want to nip this one in the bud (no pun intended!) There is really nothing about intercourse that would prepare a woman's body for delivery. Not that this could be verified (although we may be able to ask Katy someday) but I doubt a virgin birth would be any more painful than the traditional kind.

I agree that the whole thing has "weird" written all over it, but I'd also like to point out that plenty of us have had med-free deliveries, too. ('course, there was noise involved. ;).)

[tgray99]

I haven't read back through all of the pages, but I shared my philosophy with my husband the other night, who proceeded to gawk at me like I was barking mad.

ANYWAY...we know that she was vocal about being a virgin until married. We also know that he is a high-up in the Church of Lunacy, who has been in 2 long marriages and heretofore unable to conceive a child naturally.

Does anyone think there's a chance...that Katie is actually STILL a virgin? That this child was conceived via IVF, to be a virgin birth, and born into an exalted position in the Church of Scientology? That THAT is why Katie was hand-selected, because they knew she was a virgin...like when Diana married Prince Charles?

I know this sounds completely insane, but it seems like everything lately has.
WOW! Good theory! I buy it. :D

[nya]

we know that she was vocal about being a virgin until married

Does anyone have links to articles where she said she was a virgin? I only remember reading about an article from a friend saying Katy had told her she was still a virgin, but that's it. Do we really know it's true???

[GoldEyes]

I haven't read back through all of the pages, but I shared my philosophy with my husband the other night, who proceeded to gawk at me like I was barking mad.

ANYWAY...we know that she was vocal about being a virgin until married. We also know that he is a high-up in the Church of Lunacy, who has been in 2 long marriages and heretofore unable to conceive a child naturally.

Does anyone think there's a chance...that Katie is actually STILL a virgin? That this child was conceived via IVF, to be a virgin birth, and born into an exalted position in the Church of Scientology? That THAT is why Katie was hand-selected, because they knew she was a virgin...like when Diana married Prince Charles?

I know this sounds completely insane, but it seems like everything lately has.

Funny you bring this up. This was seriously just a CSI episode! A woman had died, but after they did an autopsy they found out she was a virgin, but she had given birth. I only got to watch half it, but she was impregnated by IVF, I believe.

[cocopops]

Off Topic but GoldEyes what is on your avaitar?

[tgray99]

Funny you bring this up. This was seriously just a CSI episode! A woman had died, but after they did an autopsy they found out she was a virgin, but she had given birth. I only got to watch half it, but she was impregnated by IVF, I believe.
Here's a question (and I've even had a baby and still don't know this), if her hymen is intact, how would she give birth, wouldn't the hymen have to be broken for the OB to even examine her cervix. Someone who knows more about biology and obstetrics is going to have to explain this one to me.

[jasonsgal]

Here's a question (and I've even had a baby and still don't know this), if her hymen is intact, how would she give birth, wouldn't the hymen have to be broken for the OB to even examine her cervix. Someone who knows more about biology and obstetrics is going to have to explain this one to me.

I know the answer to this because I saw the CSI epidsode in question ;)

The woman had a c-section...

[tgray99]

I know the answer to this because I saw the CSI epidsode in question ;)

The woman had a c-section...
But what about Katie? If she is a virgin and has the baby naturally. Will the OB have to break the hymen??

[silentbunny]

My guess is that the hymen, along with anything else between the baby and the path out, would be torn in the birth process.

Like I said, It's all just a wacky theory, but apparently not COMPLETELY impossible. This is just one of the strangest "relationships" I have ever seen, and I feel like there's a LOT we don't know.

[suzubeane]

Like most of us, if Katie has ever ridden a bicycle, gone horseback riding, used a tampon, or masturbated, her hymen is probably not intact. Very few women arrive at their first sexual intercourse with a completely intact hymen.

[GoldEyes]

Off Topic but GoldEyes what is on your avaitar?

It's a close up of my friend playing Guitar.

Bigger picture is here...
http://jrose.no-ip.com/gallery/ScarletGrey3-31-05/P1000272

[Sevilla]

Here's a question (and I've even had a baby and still don't know this), if her hymen is intact, how would she give birth, wouldn't the hymen have to be broken for the OB to even examine her cervix. Someone who knows more about biology and obstetrics is going to have to explain this one to me.
Well, virgins still get GYN exams, pap smears, and such without much of an issue--so i don't see why she couldn't get routine pregnancy exams and give birth vaginally.

[tgray99]

Well, virgins still get GYN exams, pap smears, and such without much of an issue--so i don't see why she couldn't get routine pregnancy exams and give birth vaginally.
True. I guess that does make sense. :o Duh.

[sarahh]

Soon married Tom Cruise and 5 months pregnant Kathie Holmes at soccer game to support daughter Isabella, 12. Son Connor is attending too, taking pictures of her sister. November 5, 2005.

http://images.snapfish.com/345455%3A%3B23232%7Ffp64%3Dot%3E2327%3D524%3D397%3 DXROQDF%3E2323%3B%3B%3B9689%3C3ot1lsi

http://images.snapfish.com/345455%3A%3B23232%7Ffp64%3Dot%3E2327%3D524%3D397%3 DXROQDF%3E2323%3B%3B%3B9689%3C8ot1lsi

http://images.snapfish.com/345455%3A%3B23232%7Ffp63%3Dot%3E2327%3D524%3D397%3 DXROQDF%3E2323%3B%3B%3B9689%3C9ot1lsi

http://images.snapfish.com/345455%3A%3B23232%7Ffp8%3Enu%3D3236%3E433%3E2%3A6% 3EWSNRCG%3D3232%3C%3A%3C877%3A%3B%3Cnu0mrj

http://images.snapfish.com/345455%3A%3B23232%7Ffp43%3Dot%3E2327%3D524%3D397%3 DXROQDF%3E2323%3B%3B%3B968%3A32ot1lsi

Source: JJB

[MsPeachy]

Those sunglasses are horrid. It's like she's an alien-in-training. :rolleyes:

[karina]

they look so fake together.

[cocoa_femme]

Ick.

[Zelda Von Yitz]

Those big sunglasses make her look like some kind of bug.

This whole thing is still seriously weird -- after being seen and photo-oped pretty much everywhere except North Bergen, New Jersey, the Happy Couple vanishes for several weeks, and when they emerge, they announce a bouncing bundle of joy is on the way.

And due in February, no less.

Before Tom, she didn't know him from Adam and she was engaged to Klein for about a thousand years -- and all of a sudden, she and Tom are hot and heavy out of nowhere.

She's gone on record as stating she wants to keep her virginity until she's married and he's gone through 2 marriages and allegedly is incapable of biologically fathering kids.

And bingo, there's Kate, with a rather large bun in the oven.

In some interview, she stated something to the effect of, "I'm so happy. I'm beaming" in regard to her pregnancy.

Does anyone else here hear the Rosemary's Baby theme playing in the background on all of this, or is it just me?

[shopaholic]

5 months already??

[Zelda Von Yitz]

That's what they say -- five months.

[jesseybell]

Those sunglasses are the most hidious things in the world.

[Lil_Mrs_0702]

I wish I could be pg in celebrity time. She just announced that they are pg and the next week she ahs a bump and two weeks after that they move the due date up two months! I feel like I have been pg forever and I am only 7 weeks along!

[Rosebud]

Hey, look! Tom finally gets a clue:

Tom Cruise drops sister as publicist following rough summer

LOS ANGELES (AFP) - Superstar Tom Cruise has dropped his sister as his movie publicist and hired a top Hollywood flak after coming under intense media fire for publicly mixing his religious views with his movie-making.

Cruise, 43, announced Monday that his sister Lee Anne DeVette would hand over publicity for him and his production company to veteran spokesman to the stars Paul Bloch, following a tough summer in which his image took a beating. DeVette will now exclusively oversee Cruise's soon-to-expand involvement in charitable causes, notably those linked to the Church of Scientology of which Cruise is a devout member.

"Lee Anne has done a wonderful job on behalf of myself and Cruise-Wagner Prods. over the last few years," Cruise said in a statement received Monday by AFP.

"But she has always expressed a desire to oversee and expand the day-to-day activities of my charitable endeavors," he said, announcing that Bloch would now handle his own publicity and that of his Cruise-Wagner Productions.

"I am thrilled at this new opportunity to oversee Tom's philanthropic endeavors," DeVette said in the same statement.

"I know how important Tom's charitable goals are to him, and I am looking forward to assisting in raising the profile of the good works that he does on behalf of children's health issues, mentoring, literacy and other social reforms, as well as the general betterment of the human condition," she added.

The switch comes 20 months after Cruise sacked his longtime Hollywood publicist Pat Kingsley and hired his sister, who had for years worked closely with the actor at his Cruise-Wagner Productions.

But Cruise's closely-protected image sailed into rough waters this summer when the usually very private actor began giddily expressing his love for actress Katie Holmes in interviews, including one where he boisterously leapt up and down on US talk show queen Oprah Winfrey's sofa as he told how much he loved Holmes.

The unusual antics sparked widespread speculation in the media over whether the expression of love was genuine or a publicity stunt. He then used his "War of the Worlds" global media tour to announce his engagement to Holmes in June and then proceeded to talk publicly -- and sometimes combatively -- about his Scientology beliefs.

Cruise and Holmes, who have been dating since May, announced last month they are expecting their first baby.

source: Yahoo.com

[greenbunny]

I haven't read back through all of the pages, but I shared my philosophy with my husband the other night, who proceeded to gawk at me like I was barking mad.

ANYWAY...we know that she was vocal about being a virgin until married. We also know that he is a high-up in the Church of Lunacy, who has been in 2 long marriages and heretofore unable to conceive a child naturally.

Does anyone think there's a chance...that Katie is actually STILL a virgin? That this child was conceived via IVF, to be a virgin birth, and born into an exalted position in the Church of Scientology? That THAT is why Katie was hand-selected, because they knew she was a virgin...like when Diana married Prince Charles?

I know this sounds completely insane, but it seems like everything lately has.

I would totally believe that. And now I am feeling just a little frightened. They'll have her examined and say they never had sex, that the spirit of L Ron impregnated her. Then they can have a big sing-along and convert a bunch of rabidly devout teenagers, who will all be whipped into a frenzy of worship and drink the bitter Kool Aid as they're told.

[Sophia]

I wonder if Katie gets to drop Tom's sister as her publicist, too.

[kris97]

Defamer's take on the Lee Ann-cast off cracked me up:


After an almost unprecedented run of bad press and public relations blunders, including, but not limited to, the botched announcement of his relationship with, sudden engagement to, and suspicious premarital knocking-up of Katie Holmes, a full-on assault against the pseudoscience of psychiatry and the dangerous street drugs its nefarious agents push on children and celebrities with the “baby blues,” and the co-opting of the War of the Worlds press tour as a platform to celebrate the aforementioned relationship and anti-psychiatry assault, Tom Cruise has finally thrown publisister LeAnne DeVette under the couch, replacing her with professional PR firm Rogers and Cowan. (Come on, did you think Cruise was going to go crawling back to Pat Kingsley?) Variety reports on DeVette’s new role on Team Cruise:

“Lee Anne has done a wonderful job on behalf of myself and Cruise-Wagner Prods. over the last few years,” Cruise said in a statement. “But she has always expressed a desire to oversee and expand the day-to-day activities of my charitable endeavors. With our current plans to increase those endeavors, and Cruise-Wagner’s increased production slate of film and television projects, this seemed the appropriate time to make that segue and bring Rogers and Cowan on board to handle mine and the company’s entertainment-related publicity needs.”

DeVette said: “I know how important Tom’s charitable goals are to him, and I look forward to assisting in raising the profile of the good works that he does on behalf of children’s health issues, mentoring, literacy and other social reforms, as well as the general betterment of the human condition.”


Say what you will about DeVette’s tenure ruining running Cruise’s PR machine, but she certainly was successful in raising her brother’s profile. Under her skilled stewardship, “the general betterment of the human condition” should become the laughingstock of the media in a mere two to three months.

[DianaFaye]

I hate that top she's wearing. I can't scrutinize her belly with that top! It's too loosey goosey. :P I'm still in denial that she's really pregnant. Hah!

[Natasha]

Chris Klein speaks out on Katie Holmes:

KATIE HOLMES' former fiancé CHRIS KLEIN opened up about his ex-love over the weekend as he was out promoting his new movie 'Just Friends.'

The 'American Pie' star revealed how he and Katie's relationship was different from hers and Tom's. "I think it was something we appreciated, it was something we kept special for each other," he says.

So where did things shift? Chris explained, "As people grow up their tastes change and I know that growing up and becoming adults the direction her and I wanted to go in changed a little bit. When it was time to split it was time to split and when you know you know."

The actor, who dated TOM CRUISE's future bride for nearly five years before they called off their engagement earlier this year, also described how he thinks Katie, who's pregnant, will be as a mom. "I know that when she and I had a relationship she was always very fond of kids and was always good with her nieces and nephews."



from Yahoo entertainment

[mkredhead]

Chris Klein's interview sounds very stand up. I'm sure he would rather complain about and hassle Katie and Tom, but his cautious avoidance has him looking really good.

[BTB]

From an MSNBC article (about the firing of his sister):

On balance, not such a hot P.R. year for Señor Cruise. By one account, he's tanked from being the 11th most-liked celebrity to No. 197, putting him in company with the likes of Pauly Shore.

Late to the party on the virgin birth stuff, but wanted to add my voice to suzu's that, as a non-virgin mom, I don't think having had intercourse makes birth any less painful. A lot of guys would like to think otherwise, but a baby is still many times over the biggest thing to pass through the area.

And to address this:
Here's a question (and I've even had a baby and still don't know this), if her hymen is intact, how would she give birth, wouldn't the hymen have to be broken for the OB to even examine her cervix. Someone who knows more about biology and obstetrics is going to have to explain this one to me.
As a pp pointed out, the hymen is usually not intact by the time of first intercourse from just such things as were listed: tampons, horseback riding, masturbation, etc.

However, even in a woman who does still have an intact hymen, this is not like having saran wrap over the vaginal opening. There's a misconception (pardon the pun) that hymens normally completely seal the vagina - if that were true, a woman would not get her period, as there's be no place for the fluid to come out. Hymens are as different as hairstyles. The can be a half-moon shape, a crescent moon, or even just a narrow piece of tissue in a ring-shape. They need not cover the vaginal opening.

I agree Chris Klein gives a classy interview. Too bad he's not contagious. :)