10 year old gives birth to baby girl

[Kanga]

This makes me sick.
http://www.katu.com/news/18736079.html

[PinkMartini]

Wow! That's 2 hours away from me :eek:

Another illegal immigrant doing a horrendous thing :mad:

[imagirliegirl]

Where are her parents? Why didn't they call the police when they realized their 10-year-old was pregnant? How could they allow a 10-year-old to complete a pregnancy and actually birth a child?

Totally weird. I'm glad CPS is investigating them, too.

[Esq.]

This is disgusting, but I don't think that the fact that the alleged perpetrator is also allegedly an illegal immigrant has any bearing on the matter. There are plenty of people who are born in the US who are capable of, and have done, the same horrendous things.

[imagirliegirl]

This thread is going to turn into a fight about that comment, isn't it?

[Adaya]

When I saw the first few words of the title, I was hoping it wasn't gonna say, "to a baby." Not sure what else it could say, but I sure was hoping.

Man, how horrible is this? I just don't know what to say.

[pontmarie]

This thread is going to turn into a fight about that comment, isn't it?

If the comment warrants it . . .

[maxandmolly]

Wow! That's 2 hours away from me :eek:

Another illegal immigrant doing a horrendous thing :mad:
So, um, you realize that is a totally ridiculous, racist thing to say, right? Sexual assaults on children occur roughly every 45 seconds in this country (or so says the presentation I saw at a recent sexual abuse conference)-and the vast majority are perpetrated by relatives, family friends, or good old fashioned home-gown U.S. crazies.
This thread is going to turn into a fight about that comment, isn't it?
That comment certainly needs responding to.

*ahem*
This is a horrible thing to have happened. But how could you not notice your 10 year old gaining weight? Having morning sickness? Her parents have a few things to answer for here.

[gardenmommy]

Where are her parents?

Yeah! This whole thing is so very very sad. I hope the baby is healthy.

[mrschica]

This thread is going to turn into a fight about that comment, isn't it?

I can see why. Instead of calling the bastard a "horrendous human being" which he is, why point out his legality? Whenever an American commits a sick and despicable crime, I don't ever think "Another American citizen doing a horrendous thing". I just think about how much of a piece of shit the person is, not their legal stance.

It just seemed un-necessary, honestly.

Anyway, poor little girl, I hope they give her all the help she's going to need to move past this and I hope that waste of human genetics who raped her gets all he deserves.

[imagirliegirl]

Well Bren, I can see why people might say something, I just hate to see that one tacky comment detract from the real issue - some poor little child was raped and now has a child. That was the point of my comment. I would hate for this thread to become completely about that stupid comment.

Don't get me wrong - I think it was a really unnecessary and ignorant thing to say and I certainly don't agree with it. Laura's right - most of the kids who are assaulted are victims of people they know. It's not like the "dirty people" are just crawling across the borders waiting to assault kids. Just shows how little people know.

[Kanga]

Where are her parents? Why didn't they call the police when they realized their 10-year-old was pregnant? How could they allow a 10-year-old to complete a pregnancy and actually birth a child?


I wonder if the girl and/or her parents are also illegal immigrants and were afraid of their status being revealed if they did say something? Not like the police wouldn't find out eventually anyways though.

[bciob22]

This is a horrible thing to have happened. But how could you not notice your 10 year old gaining weight? Having morning sickness? Her parents have a few things to answer for here.

This happened about 45 minutes away from me. Because of her age things have been kept pretty hush hush. Her mother was arrested for failing to provide prenatal care. The 10 year old and her mother are citizens. Popular opinion is that the "father" is an undocumented alien and is the 10year olds mother boyfriend

[maxandmolly]

This happened about 45 minutes away from me. Because of her age things have been kept pretty hush hush. Her mother was arrested for failing to provide prenatal care. The 10 year old and her mother are citizens. Popular opinion is that the "father" is an undocumented alien and is the 10year olds mother boyfriend
A ha. She was arrested for not providing prenatal care, of for failing to protect her child from abuse? Because if her boyfriend raped her 10-year old, my guess would be, she knew about it long before the baby was born. And if she let him remain in the house or near her daughter, well, that would be failing to protect her from abuse. If the boyfriend part is true, my guess would be this poor young girl and her baby are both in state custody by now. Whether mom is charged criminally or not for not protecting, it would most definitely be a situation where removing the girl and her baby is necessary, and the best option to keep them safe.

[Belm]

This is just horrible. I can't imagine how a girl that young is dealing with a pregnancy and giving birth.

On a side note - Am I the only one who didn't realize how young girls got their periods these days? Has this always been the case and I just didn't realize it?

[vjel]

Belm, I was 11 when I first got my period and I've talked to other friends who've gotten their periods fairly early too. It obviously varies but I don't think it's a new thing necessarily.

anyway, reading this story just makes me sick. It's hard enough being pg as an adult but at 10?!? I can't even imagine how scared she must've felt. I hope the little girl is ok and gets the help she needs to deal w/ all that has happened.

[maxandmolly]

On a side note - Am I the only one who didn't realize how young girls got their periods these days? Has this always been the case and I just didn't realize it?
I started less than a month after I turned 11. My mother started at 9.

[DallasLady]

Another illegal immigrant doing a horrendous thing :mad:

The moment I read this, I thought "watch everyone come to the defense of the rapist" :rolleyes:

[Jenyfer9]

I guess the fact that she didn't come forward kind of answers the question of "why on EARTH wouldn't ER staff give that poor girl a morning after pill".

[mrschica]

The moment I read this, I thought "watch everyone come to the defense of the rapist" :rolleyes:

Yeah, we're pretty big on defending rapists around here and other scum, you know, as long as it all remains PC.

:rolleyes:

[mrschica]

I would hate for this thread to become completely about that stupid comment.


...or other stupid comments.

Sorry! ;)

[imagirliegirl]

...or other stupid comments.

Sorry! ;)

Huh? What did I say that was so stupid?

[mrschica]

Huh? What did I say that was so stupid?

Oh I wasn't talking about you dear! Geez. I was being self-deprecating...maybe. ;)


I should mention though, going back on topic, that I think this little girls mother is a piece of shit as well, allowing a predator near her daughter just for a piece of ****. She's worthless, and I send all my hatred toward her without remorse. :D

[imagirliegirl]

Oh, I was like WTF?! We were about to take this outside... :cool:

The moment I read this, I thought "watch everyone come to the defense of the rapist" :rolleyes:

So are you trying to say we are defending this guy's actions because we think it's tacky to make an "immigrant" comment? Methinks I must be confused....

Obviously no one here thinks it's okay to rape a child.

[maxandmolly]

The moment I read this, I thought "watch everyone come to the defense of the rapist" :rolleyes:
Um...HUH? No one is defending the rapist. The fact that he's possibly an illegal immigrant means only that once they catch his ass they can send him back where he came from, rather than rotting in prison like a home-grown piece of scum. It changes nothing else about the situation.

[diam124]

On a side note - Am I the only one who didn't realize how young girls got their periods these days? Has this always been the case and I just didn't realize it?

I was 9 when I got my first period - I thought I was dying. (I hadn't had sex ed yet and my Mom had not explained the menstrual cycle to me).

[Ellyn]

Since we're all sharing our AF info, I was 11...thank God for older sisters and tampons. :D

On topic: How could the school not notice this girl was pg??? :confused: I would think a 9mo. pg 10 year old would be pretty obvious. Then again, how many 4th grade teachers think to look for that...

[villanelle75]

So if someone would have used the N word to describe the rapist, we should all just shut up because otherwise we'd be defending a rapist? Please. :rolleyes:



Another illegal immigrant doing a horrendous thing :mad:

And another US citizen saying vile, reprehensible things. (And no one is allowed to defend her, or else they are officially bigot-lovers, and on top of that, they are causing thread drift which is apparently no longer tolerated here. That's how it works now, right?)

[DallasLady]

Um...HUH? No one is defending the rapist. The fact that he's possibly an illegal immigrant means only that once they catch his ass they can send him back where he came from, rather than rotting in prison like a home-grown piece of scum. It changes nothing else about the situation.

So are you trying to say we are defending this guy's actions because we think it's tacky to make an "immigrant" comment? Methinks I must be confused....

Obviously no one here thinks it's okay to rape a child.

I was (am) being snarky. Of course it's not okay to rape a child. It just seems that being PC is more important than anything else around here. Not that I really disapprove of being PC, it was just, as I said, my first thought when I read PinkMartini's comment. I knew people were going to jump on the defensive about her mentioning his immigration status.

[villanelle75]

I was (am) being snarky. Of course it's not okay to rape a child. It just seems that being PC is more important than anything else around here. Not that I really disapprove of being PC, it was just, as I said, my first thought when I read PinkMartini's comment. I knew people were going to jump on the defensive about her mentioning his immigration status.

It's not about being PC. That's a BS argument to try and dismiss the issue that people have. It's about being bigoted. That's not okay. It just isn't. Not because it's trendee to take a certain side on certain issues, but because certain statements and viewpoints are morally reprehensible. What if it would have been a story about a Jew who wouldn't pay child support and someone said, "Another miserly, stingy Jew?" Or maybe since this is about child rape, my example should be someone saying "another mormon raping a kid". I suspect PM wouldn't be to happy if someone had said that.

Is no one allowed to be offended, or to post that they are offended, at such a disgusting comment just because their offense happens to line up with what is considered PC?

Just like the religion/culture of the person in my example was completely irrelevant, so is the immigration status of the guy in this story. The only reason to bring that up is to take a cheap (and totally irrelevant) shot at an issue that someone takes umbrage with outside of the news story.

[maxandmolly]

I was (am) being snarky. Of course it's not okay to rape a child. It just seems that being PC is more important than anything else around here. Not that I really disapprove of being PC, it was just, as I said, my first thought when I read PinkMartini's comment. I knew people were going to jump on the defensive about her mentioning his immigration status.
That's a completely ridiculous argument. It doesn't even remotely make sense.

[Esq.]

Thinking that I was defending the rapist by pointing out that his status was irrelevant really just further illustrates an inability to separate the action from the person's nationality/status. That really sucks.

Like villanelle said, failing to separate actions a person's actions from a person's color/religion/nationality, and then making judgments about a group based on that one screwed up person is really ignorant.

[imagirliegirl]

I was (am) being snarky. Of course it's not okay to rape a child. It just seems that being PC is more important than anything else around here. Not that I really disapprove of being PC, it was just, as I said, my first thought when I read PinkMartini's comment. I knew people were going to jump on the defensive about her mentioning his immigration status.

Well, I'll be the first to admit I'm not the most PC person on the planet and I thought her comment was stupid so...

Anyway, I don't necessarily think the issue is that she mentioned his status it's how she mentioned his status. His status is discussed in the news story without being tacky or inappropriate. She made a general comment about illegal immigrants doing horrible things that added nothing beneficial to this thread.

This thread isn't about opinions on immigration or immigrants, it's about a kid. That's why I wish she would have thought before posting that comment. She had to have known it was going to stir up shit and maybe this isn't the most appropriate place for that.

[mrschica]

It just seems that being PC is more important than anything else around here. Not that I really disapprove of being PC, it was just, as I said, my first thought when I read PinkMartini's comment. I knew people were going to jump on the defensive about her mentioning his immigration status.


This was predictable on your part, which is why I made the sarcastic comment earlier about how we'll defend anyone around here in the name of keeping things PC since it was obvious that's how you felt even without saying. You don't take it as an attempt at trying to prevent bigotry so that we can focus on the real issue here (the rape of a child), as much as you took as everyone trying to look through the rose colored glasses of a PC world.

I'm not a PC person by any stretch of the imagination, it's not my goal, but I think that distracting from the horrific act by throwing in bigotry is insulting to the real issue here, the child, and in that sense, ridiculous.

[DallasLady]

Sheesh. Like I said, I was being snarky and wasn't really serious. Forget I said anything.

[imagirliegirl]

I don't think any of us really understand the need for snark in this thread.

Anyway, it will be interesting to see how this pans out. I hope they release at least some of the details surrounding this story. I'm so curious about her parent(s) and her school (assuming she was in school?). This is just all around awful. Poor baby.

It really just blows my mind that her parents would let her have a complete pregnancy and a baby. How does a kid recover from something like that? As if what happened to her wasn't bad enough.

[Ribbit]

The really sad thing is, this isn't just a one time case. Last February, another 10 year old girl gave birth in Cincinnati. Impregnated by her mother's boyfriend. A US citizen as far as I could tell (c'mon, every thread needs a little snark). ;)

Snark aside, it's weird...as disgusted as I am by this, I'm not really shocked. I hate the idea that I'm getting desensitized by such awful events. I do still think they should string these men up by their balls. In the woods. Near a fire ant hill. And that's still not enough. :mad:

[sea74]

That poor child :(
And I completely agree w/whoever said the mom is a piece of shit, too :mad:

[Myra]

Um...HUH? No one is defending the rapist. The fact that he's possibly an illegal immigrant means only that once they catch his ass they can send him back where he came from, rather than rotting in prison like a home-grown piece of scum. It changes nothing else about the situation.
Not to split hairs here, but if and when he's convicted, he will serve time here and be deported when his sentence is completed.

[dionysia]

On a side note - Am I the only one who didn't realize how young girls got their periods these days? Has this always been the case and I just didn't realize it?

Anecdotes != data, but I got my period 2 weeks after my 11th birthday. FWIW, I drank very little cow's milk. I hate the stuff.

As for the other content of this thread, I'll just follow around Villanelle and nod.

[Rose]

This is so sad for the little girl. I can't imagine a 10 year having to carrying a baby full term, especially one caused by rape. I hope this girl gets the proper help she needs.

On the topic of periods, I got mine right before I turned 13. I thought 12/13 was more average so I am surprised so many people had them younger.

[tandt]

When we were in 8th grade, there was a girl at another school (same age) who had a baby-- not by rape, she was sexually active.

I think I started my period around age 12-- some of my friends started at 11 and some not until 14 or so.

For this topic, terrible, terrible.

What is wrong with people-- raping a 10 y/o little girl that you've probably been trusted with (mom's b/f)?

As for the off-topic discussion, I think immigration is such a hot item right now with the election that everyone's a bit sensitive towards it. You're right that this could happen with any nationality, unfortunately.

It makes me wonder how much more is not reported due to illegal status, outstanding warrants, fear, revenge etc--- this just happens to include this innocent child.

[msnicolea]

What villanelle said. Exactly.

[Niobe]

It makes me wonder how much more is not reported due to illegal status, outstanding warrants, fear, revenge etc--- this just happens to include this innocent child.

ITA. And yet, people flip out when cities like Houston and San Francisco make public declarations that they will not ask immigration status of people seeking medical help or reporting crimes. You want to know what the lack of that public policy gets? This. This is what putting the fear of INS into people gets our society. 10-year-old mommies. :mad:

[pocket]

Her mom messed up in a long list of ways and on that list I would add - abortion. I would get my 9 year old kid an abortion if she was raped by my own boyfriend. Really that is beyond the pale.

[jajacobsen]

This is so sad.

As far as early onset of menses, the prevalence of being overweight/childhood obesity has caused girls to enter reproductive years faster. Food with higher fat content does this. There have been cases here in Atlanta (including a pregnancy) of menstruation at age six!


I agree with everything Villanelle so eloquently said and agree with Niobe (believe it or not!) as to the consequences of such villification of illegal immigrants.

Sadly, evil knows no race, religion, gender, or legal status boundaries. In the county where I live, most (greater than 99% according to a report in our local paper) sexual offender crimes are committed by white males. Why is that? Because our county has more white residents than other racial make-ups. Does that mean all white men are evil and should be ciriticized as a group? Well NOW might think so from time to time but really, no.

To me, the mother is JUST as guilty as the rapist.

As to how the school did not know. Well like many young mothers (in the extreme, here) she probably didn't show until late, and they just thought she was gaining weight/getting fat. What else would they think?

[phoenics]

I want both the mother (of the 10 year old) and the rapist to rot in prison for the rest of their LIVES!

I'm so angry over this and sick I can't even think STRAIGHT!

[wendalah]

On the note of getting your period early--I thought the same thing. Little girls look more developed to me at earlier ages lately.

I didn't get my period until I was just shy of 15 (!!!!) but I know that's totally a genetic thing. My mom was 15, almost 16, when she first got hers.

[mrschica]

I would get my 9 year old kid an abortion if she was raped by my own boyfriend.

...and then nail his balls to a wall.

On the subject of puberty, I didn't get my first period till I was about 2 weeks shy of 13, so yeah, seeing all of these little girls developing so early is a bit worrisome. I hope my daughter follows in my footsteps and gets hers at the same age. :(

My mom and sister also had their first periods shy of 13, so hopefully that helps? I'm not too informed about how that functions as far as it being hereditary and all that.

[MichelleRenee]

I think it is genetic. My mom, sister and I were all 14 when we got ours. I believe the average age is 12 so there are bound to be some who get it when they are 10 and some when they are 14, which averages out to 12.

This is very sad, and as far as the immigration stuff, I heard a story this morning that kinda went the same way. A local man was killed by an illegal immigrant who was driving drunk and they were so focused on his immigration status. HELLO!! There are PLENTY of legal US citizens who drive drunk!!! I think it is the media's way of shifting the focus during an election year. They veer off from the actual story trying to get people riled up about illegal immigrants in an effort to fuel more political debates.

[jimmysgirl424]

Her mom messed up in a long list of ways and on that list I would add - abortion. I would get my 9 year old kid an abortion if she was raped by my own boyfriend. Really that is beyond the pale.

ITA. I'm literally sick to my stomach over this story. Poor little girl. Poor baby. :(

[Kanga]

Her mom messed up in a long list of ways and on that list I would add - abortion. I would get my 9 year old kid an abortion if she was raped by my own boyfriend. Really that is beyond the pale.

Well I wouldn't force my dd to get an abortion, but the option definitely should have been offered to her. I can't imagine she'd actually want to go through with the pregnancy though. Wait, on second thought, she was probably too far along anyways when they did find out to get an abortion anyways.

[pocket]

Are you sure? Gah. She is just a baby herself. It's not like she is making her own decisions about other things in her life. I think I would try pretty hard to influence my 9-yr-old kid to have an abortion. It just would be too much. The rape, the fear, then the pregnancy the birth and giving the child up for adoption. It would extend the trauma.

[Kanga]

Are you sure? Gah. She is just a baby herself. It's not like she is making her own decisions about other things in her life. I think I would try pretty hard to influence my 9-yr-old kid to have an abortion. It just would be too much. The rape, the fear, then the pregnancy the birth and giving the child up for adoption. It would extend the trauma.

Well I can't say for sure obviously, not having BTDT on either side, but if my 10 yo were extremely resistant to getting an abortion, then no I wouldn't force it on her. Like you said, she's already been through enough trauma to begin with, forcing an abortion on somebody that doesn't want one would also be very traumatic. Of course this is all permitting it wouldn't be hugely dangerous to her health. I would imagine that it's more risky at 10 than say 16 but obviously at least a few have done it before so it's not a death sentence. I've never researched it before though so I really don't know where it falls in between.

[bciob22]

Well I wouldn't force my dd to get an abortion, but the option definitely should have been offered to her. I can't imagine she'd actually want to go through with the pregnancy though. Wait, on second thought, she was probably too far along anyways when they did find out to get an abortion anyways.

The mom was charged with failure to provide pre-natal care from Janurary to May so I am thinking that's when she realized the daughter was preg. Totally not defending the mom cause I think she's a total shit (she was still with the BF/father at the time of thier arrest) but I can see not knowing til then her daughter was preg. I have an almost 10 yo and when these little girls are approaching/entering puberty the tend to develop fat in the chest and tummy areas I could see just thinking she was in that stage.
They are still keeping things very hush hush on this case around here. About the only things that are known is mom and boyfriend are still in jail awaiting trial and the (2) babies (10yo and newborn) are in foster care together.

[bamboo]

The average age for onset of menstruation has been decreasing but not dramatically. What is changing dramatically is the age of breast development. I recently attended a talk by Sandra Steingraber, PhD, an ecologist who is doing research in conjunction with the Breast Cancer Fund, since early development of breasts is connected to a higher risk of breast cancer later in life.

There are a number of suspected reasons for this decrease, including environmental toxins and chemicals, breastfeeding, exposure to hormones in meat and dairy, obesity, genetics, etc.

This is such a sad story :(

[TenOClockBird]

Am I the only one who thought, "Damn, another horrendous act by a (possibly) illegal alien that will simply over complicate a debate that is too hotbutton to bring about common sense solutions already?"