Digital Cameras: Questions & Recommendations

[Sparkles P]

DH is buying me a digital camera for our anniversary which is next week, ( the 10th). So I need your help on which to get. List the Pros/ Cons that you find with yours as well as the brand name etc. Do you like the software that comes with it.... etc etc. A video camera is not a huge priority as an option with the digital camera, as I already own a professional video, yup like the ones you saw on your wedding day.

I need as much feedback as possible, before making this purchase, I told DH that I would look into it all week and the week just flew by!!! :rolleyes:



Thanks in advance.....

[jaeger]

I have a Sony Cybershot and I love it.

[houseblend]

I have a Kodak. Consumer Reports at the time (2 years ago) ranked it as the best. The quality is amazing - I'm still astounded by it. I don't particularly like the software (actually despise it), but I'm able to download the pictures without it just using Microsoft's Viewer (which works fantastic).

The only downside about it is the speed - it does not take pictures quickly, even on Action setting. This makes capturing a puppy or baby a bit difficult, or other impromptu shots, but other than that I am very happy with it.

[December27JJB]

We have a Nikon D70 and we love it. The + is the pictures come out beautifully. The neg. is its expensive.

[maple]

I had a Nikon but it was too slow. I now have a Sony, which I love!!! The only downside is that the memory isn't compatible with other cameras.

My MIL has a Kodak which is user-friendly, but she's had it since x-mas and she's already had to send it to Kodak twice for repairs. That said, a friend has one too and she's no trouble.

[Aimee]

We have a Sony Cybershot and the more I use it, the more disappointed I am with it.

It takes good pictures when the subject and camera are perfectly still. It takes terrible action shots and is incredibly slow. Even when the camera and subject are perfectly still it sometimes takes crappy pictures. It's got a pretty high learning curve on it - Kodaks are much more user friendly. We bought our Sony shortly before our wedding and it wasn't until the honeymoon that we figured out exactly what we were doing with it to get okay pictures - and DH and I are major tecchies. If it took us that long to figure it out, we can only imagine how long it takes a non-tech savvy user to do so.

I like epinions.com for reviews of electronics.

[tlew12778]

I have an Olympus camedia 750 Ultrazoom. They have since changed the model number but the new one has all the same stuff. The thing I love about it is the 10x OPTICAL zoom. It has an additional 4x digital but I never use that. The bad thing about the camera is that the flash is not very powerful in a dark setting. You can add a flash though. The camera can be entirely automatic or entirely manual.

[Sparkles P]

Thanks everyone, keep your input coming in....

I am trying to hold DH off till Sunday to buy the camera. But you know guys, nce they decide they want to buy something.... BAM.... off they go.

[LeslieandPaul]

We've got a Pentax Optio 5.0 MP which FH really likes-takes great pictures.

[TX Sweetheart]

We have an HP Photosmart M22... we bought it as an anniversary present together LOL... we absolutely love it! once we got the hang of using it LOL

[lawyerlee]

I have a Canon Powershot S 410 Digital Elph. I really love it. I've quite small, it has a nice sized viewing window, the controlls are easy to manipulate, and it takes great snapshots. :)

[elladee]

I have an Olympus camedia 750 Ultrazoom. They have since changed the model number but the new one has all the same stuff. The thing I love about it is the 10x OPTICAL zoom. It has an additional 4x digital but I never use that. The bad thing about the camera is that the flash is not very powerful in a dark setting. You can add a flash though. The camera can be entirely automatic or entirely manual.

I have the Olympus 720 Ultrazoom, the model before the 750. As a result, mine is only an 8x zoom.

Things I like:
It takes very nice, clear pictures (I have a few I've taken blown up to 8x10 and framed - they look great). I attribute this to the quality Olympus lense.
It has a fully manual option which fun to play around with and it's pretty easy to navigate the menu.
I have never had a single problem with it (and I do treat it kinda rough sometimes).
I love the zoom.

Things I don't like:
Like tlew said, it doesn't take very good pictures in the dark.
It is sometimes pretty slow to take the picture.
It's a little on the big and heavy side (but if a smaller, lighter camera ment losing picture quality, I'd stick with this one).

I don't know anything about the software it came with. DH set things up so I don't need it.

[strwbrygirl]

I have an older Kodak Easy Share, and hate it- I'm in the market for a new camera as well. I don't like that it has a 4-5 second delay when taking the picture, or that you have to then wait for the camera to store the image (~10 seconds) before taking another. The flash isn't very powerful, and the camera eats alkaline digital camera batteries like crazy. I'll be keeping an eye on this thread as well for suggestions!

[solongtogo]

I use a canon 20d and a canon digital rebel. Both take wonderful pictures, but both are very expensive.

[Noa]

I just bought the Canon SD400 and love it! It is very small- it fits in my jeans pocket (and I wear my jeans tight) or can be slipped into a shirt pocket very easily. It takes great pictures, has an astoundingly quick start up time (like one second), great battery life and it comes with the battery charger.

Cons are similar to cons all small cameras have: flash is not as strong as a much bigger camera (although you have mthe option of buying an add-on flash for the SD series), and zoom is the standard x3.

Canon also just came out with the SD500 (7 mp) which you can get for appr. $400-500. My SD400 is 5 pm and if you search the internet well, you can get it for appr. $250-300

[Sparkles P]

BUMPING UP this thread....

We will be buying the camera tommorrow.... and don't want to get snowed by pushy sales people.

[DelSol]

I have a Minolta Dimage G400 (got about 2 years ago). It's great for me but I don't like that I have to hold the button down for second or two then snap the picture, I miss a lot of good shots that way. I have a 13 month old niece, that doesn't sit still anymore, so trying to get a good one of her is hard. And we were on vacation and saw Dolphins in the bay, I was trying to take pictures fast and it wasn't working too well. But besides that I can't complain.

We bought my mom a Kodak, it's user-friendly for her.

Good Luck with your purchase!

[ktdelsur]

We recently got a Canon Powershot G6 and love it. Less expensive than a Canon EOS Rebel but just as good and just as versatile. Software is easy, settings and instructions are easy - love it.

[Quartercentury]

I have an Olympus camedia 750 Ultrazoom. They have since changed the model number but the new one has all the same stuff. The thing I love about it is the 10x OPTICAL zoom. It has an additional 4x digital but I never use that. The bad thing about the camera is that the flash is not very powerful in a dark setting. You can add a flash though. The camera can be entirely automatic or entirely manual.

We used to have one of these, but I lost it. :o I loved the zoom. If you used the continuous setting (where it takes several photos in a row after just pressing the shutter button once), it took nice action shots, but otherwise, like all digital cameras as far as I've heard, it was hard to capture action. We were really happy with the camera.

Before that, we had a Fuji Finepix. Can't remember the model, but it was the one with a 6x optical zoom. It crapped out on us after a year - moisture (caused just by condensation) in the camera. I would therefore stay away from Fujis.

Now we have two cameras: an Olympus D580 and an Olympus E300 (also called an Evolt). The D580 is a point-and-shoot. I bought it re-furbished from Olympus via ebay for $120, and for the price it's a great camera. It zooms okay (we were really spoiled after having the 10x), it's nice and small, the flash works well, and it has a lot of good pre-set photo settings (self-portrait, landscape, landscape+portrait, etc.). It doesn't do too well in the dark, but if the flash is on, it's fine. The macro mode is also very cool. The only thing I don't like about it is that what you see in the viewfinder is just a little smaller than what the photo will show. That is, the viewfinder crops the edges of the pictures. Also, the shutter cover is hard to close sometimes.

The E300 is a digital SLR. Big investment. But we are thrilled with the quality of photos that it takes. It's taking us some time to learn to use it (I've never used an SLR before, so I'm having to learn about apeture and focal length and stuff.), but the stuff we've done with the pre-sets is really really impressive. No downsides to this camera so far. We picked it out planning to take it with us to SE Asia and use it to take photos of our future children. It's supposed to have some kind of feature that keeps dust and moisture out, so fingers crossed that it holds up for many years to come!

You can PM me if you want to see examples of photos taken with each of these cameras.

[funky$meg]

bumping this thread because I'm in the market for a digital camera myself (I'm hoping to spend under $200 or so). Any other CC'ers out there want to share the pro's and con's of their cameras??

Thanks, ladies! :)

-Meg

[genndan100502]

I have had a Canon S200 for 3 years (it's discontinued now, loved that camera), nothing ever happened to that camera so I decided to purchase a Canon SD400 this year, 5MPs, newer technology and it died after 3 months (died as in it doesn't turn on in the camera/video mode, and won't even let me reset it). I wasn't abusing my camera either. So now I'm sending it off to the factory to see if they can fix it, I'm hoping to get it back before my planned vacation which is on Sept. 6.

I'm not going against any CANON cameras, because if I had a chance I would purchase another one, but I just wanted to say that electronics in general, if they don't break on you after a couple of months then they're awesome.

[JRPAGV]

Bump. I'm also looking for a camera under $200.

[HeatherFL]

I have an Olympus Camedia C4000. I love it. They no longer make the model, but have since upgraded it. The only downside is the lag time between flash shots. You can set the camera up, however, to take several shots in a row.

~H.

[SingleWhiteFemale]

I have a Kodak Z760. When it came out in the spring, the price tag was over $400, and now you can buy it online for $250. I originally was looking at the under $200 range as well, but found that nothing compared to the Z760, and went on a mini-crusade to find it for the lowest price. $250 didn't bug me, as I know I won't be replacing this anytime soon.

It's great! 6.1 MP, all of these different modes (Really easy to toggle through... say if you're shooting motion, fireworks, against sunlight, into darkness--you pick a particular mode so that your photos turn out the best. It isn't anything to memorize, it tells you on screen what the mode is for.), plus B&W/sepia/natural color/others. You can print up to poster size!

I did have a slight problem installing the software though... but I have a gut feeling the problem was my Dell and not the software. However, whe the programm went into it's boo-boo, a help screen popped up, told me to download something to clear what had already been opened from the CD, restart and wham, it worked the next time.

[shillikm]

I have a canon s400 (I think they're making s410s now). it takes great pictures without having to adjust any of the settings. the only thing i have been a little dissappointed in is that some of the pictures have a little bit of purple fringing (almost like a little purple/blue shadow where a bright area and a dark area of the picture meet).

try checking out Digital Camera Resource (http://www.dcresource.com) for more info - i found it very helpful when i was choosing a camera

[ManteoChik]

I use the Canon 20D but I'm also a photography major. I love Canon's and that's all I ever use. Yes, it's a little pricey and the 20D is probably more than you would need, but the Canon Digital Rebel is also a very good camera and more affordable.

[Kanga]

Bumping this because we're in the market for a new camera. Ours is terrible quality, I think only 2mp or even less and has quite a long "thinking" time before you can take another picture.

I want one that I can blow pics up to 11x17 and still maintain good quality and also one that has an action feature, or at least little lag time between taking pictures.

Here are a couple that I've been looking at. I'd like to spend under $250.
$230
Panasonic 5MP Digital Camera with 6X Zoom - Silver (DMC-LZ3S)
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000E18BTM.16._SCLZZZZZZZ_SS260_.jpg

$200
Canon PowerShot 5MP Digital Camera - Silver (A530)
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000EMU888.16._SCLZZZZZZZ_SS260_.jpg

Am I right in assuming that the more mp, the better the picture quality therefore the larger pictue I can blow up w/out it getting pixilated?

Also what is the difference between optical and digital zoom? Is one better than the other? Dh says that I zoom too much w/ our current camera, so it goes into optical mode instead of digital and that's why my pictures don't turn out as well.

Is the panasonic worth the extra $30?

[maxandmolly]

Ok, I am COMPLETELY overwhelmed! I haven't bought a camera in, uh, well.....let's just say, I think I was in middle school. :o So clearly, it wasn't a digital camera. I have an employee purchase program through work so I can buy stuff from Dell direct cheaper than retail-they have digital camera there too, from Sony, Canon, Nikon, Casio, Olympus and Kodak. I have used a couple Kodak digitals here and there when borrowed from others and been COMPLETELY underwhelmed. So those are pretty much out. I'm also noticing a HUGE price jump between the 4 megapixels and 5 megapixels-what do I need?
I want a small, powerful camera that will take good quality shots of my jewelry so that I can list it on the classifieds here and on ebay. So it needs a decent zoom feature, or maybe more megapixels so I can zoom in when I'm editing? I also want to be able to take good pics of the babes when they're doing something picturesque, like curling all up in the comforter or stretching out on the floor. You know, and maybe take some pictures of people now and then. ;)
So, help! Suggestions?

[Asha]

kiplinger's magazine just rated digi cameras.

top picks
canon power shot A610 - $300
kodak easy sahre V570 - $400

others
casio exilim card ex-S600 - $400
sony cyber-shot dsc-T9 - $450
hp photosmart R817 - $300
olympus stylus 600 digital - $300

[KarenS]

Megapixels are a red herring. Anything over 4 megapixels is going to be fine for any application at all. I was shooting weddings and portraits with a 3.2mp camera for over a year and I have 30x40 prints from it that look fabulous. Nowadays camera manufacturers play the megapixel game because the general public doesn't know any better and they will plop down more money for a ga-jillion megapixel camera with crappy features.

Look for a camera with mimimal shutter lag, an optical zoom rather thana digital zoom, the ability to use CF cards or smart-media rather than some proprietary memory system, and make sure it feels good in your hand.

Check out http://www.dpreview.com for in depth reviews on digital cameras.

Karen

[Kanga]

Well, I think I've made up my mind - KarenS and all other camera techies let me know what you think

Canon PowerShot S2 IS $325 on buydig.com
http://www2.buydig.com/assets/product/images250/7DE0917A29DD488EA255FD481CF8B4F5.jpg

12x optical, 4x digital
5 MP
movie mode
F2.7-F3.5
image stablization
shutter speed - 1:15/3200

[Whitters20]

Myself, my mom, and my sister in law all have a Kodak Easy share C340 that is 5.0 megapixels. We all love them and the memory cards are compatable with many other things (including our panasonic camcorder). I don't know anyone who has the printer dock so I can only say that in seeing other pics printed from them, the quality is not that great. I take my pictures to HEB or CVS and have them made from my memory card and also put onto a disk. The pictures turn out very good. I believe that a 5.0 megapixel will enlarge to a 8X10 and still look good. Anything larger and you need more megapixels. Kodaks are all very uder friendly. Generally, consumer reports recommends Kodak or Sony.

[KarenS]

I believe that a 5.0 megapixel will enlarge to a 8X10 and still look good. Anything larger and you need more megapixels. That's not correct. Please read my above post about megapixels. :)

Liz, I do think the Canon Powershot is a good choice. I personally have a Canon G5 (they dont' make them anymore) as our personal, home, point-n-shoot camera and love it. Canon has a great reputation for their smaller cameras and I think you'll be quite happy with it.

Karen

[Kanga]

Canon has a great reputation for their smaller cameras and I think you'll be quite happy with it.


Dh used to do some amature photo journalism work (but not with digital) for a friend and all the other photographers said that Canon just can't be beat.

I think that's the one I'm going to go with even though it's over my budget. Oh well. I think it will be worth it, especially since it has a movie mode and we won't have to drag around both a camera and 15 yr old (read: huge and heavy) camcorder.

Thanks for your help!

[RobynScott]

So glad I saw this! My DC has been on the fritz lately and I fear it will be more expensive to fix than get a new one. Plus I don't want to take the chance of it going out on me when I am in Alaska.

So - stopped by the Ritz camera shop while getting my lunch - the salesman there was pushing (recommending?) the Nikon Coolpix S3 - and saying that Canon's aren't that good (and I immediately thought about this thread :) )

Thoughts? The one acting up right now is my Canon PowerShot A70 bought in November 2003 (but that's not making me anti-Canon)

I want something thing so I can carry it with me when running (I think I'd like to try and take pics along the marathon route in Alaska)

I checked out the website Karen mentioned above - and there are reviews - but for now, I'd like to start with a recommendation if anyone has one - and then go check out the reviews on recommended cameras.

Any thoughts on Coolpix? Canon? Sony?

Thanks for any and all help!~

[KarenS]

The whole Nikon vs. Canon thing is so crazy. Professional photographers and people who know cameras argue about this all the time. Canon sucks, Nikon's the best. Nikon sucks, Canon's what you want. Whatever. It's as bad as any other brand argument out there. :)

Nikon or Canon - either one is fine. I personally wouldn't buy a Sony or an Olympus just becuse they don't *specialize* in cameras.

Karen

[RobynScott]

Thanks Karen - I think I am leaning towards the Canon SD 450 or 600 now - I like the fact that they still have a viewfinder if I want to use it.

[TazLuv]

I'm bumping this up because I've started the hunt for the right camera.

Does anyone have one of the following?

Canon SD 700 IS
Sony DSC-T9
Canon PowerShot A620
Nikon Coolpix P3

If not, what do you have and why do you like it? I'm looking for something relatively small with good megapixels/optical zoom. I've read all of the reviews but I would like to hear from real people.

ETA: I'd also like one with image stabilization as I have shaky hands.

[shopaholic]

I just got a Canon SD600...was going to get the SD630 for the bigger screen but the design/controls weren't as easy and user friendly as the 600.

We've only had it for a few weeks and love it so far. We've only had to charge the battery once. Love all the cool features (black and white pics with a color accent) and settings.

Also there is a continuous feature where you can take pic after pic....LOVE THAT! This camera takes wonderful clear pictures!


We bought it from bestbuy and they did a price match (to Costco.com) so we got a really great deal.

http://images.bestbuy.com/BestBuy_US/images/products/7686/7686701_ra.jpg

The only downfall I have come across the the little flap on the upper right hand side. You have to open that to plug in the USB cord to transfer pics. Its kind of a PITA to open and I am always afraid I am going to break it.
http://images.bestbuy.com/BestBuy_US/images/products/7686/7686701_ba.jpg

[Amuse Bouche]

We just bought the Powershot A620 (for about $200 from Digitalfotostore or something like that) and it's great so far. Has a bunch of different modes for shooting indoors, in fluorescent light, at the beach, etc. so it will automatically adjust the white balance. You can also shoot in manual mode and set the aperture and shutter speed yourself, or do everything totally automatic. It's not teeny tiny -- not really a pocket camera, but easily a purse camera. The zoom is terrific - 4X optical, 4X digital, which was important to us, and it has a cool macro mode. I also like that it has pretty good battery life and takes standard AA batteries (cheap to replace and easy to find), and it takes standard sized SD memory cards.

Amazon.com has a new feature where users can post pictures of the product, and with cameras, a lot of users have posted pictures they've taken with the camera. I was impressed by the features and reviews for the A620.

[kdotp]

I think my parents got the Canon A620, and they've been very happy with it. In fact, my parents, one sister and I all have various Canon p&s digital cameras and we've all been very happy with them.

[nic]

Hi, I was just readng wine-o-girlie's thread and figured I should start my own instead piggy backing on hers.

Dh and I are looking into buying our first digital camera ( I know, we're a little behind the times) and would like some suggestions. Like wine o girl, we're also mainly going to be using it to photograph our son, although we will use it for other things.

We're looking for something that's

~ user friendly
~ has good basic features
~ takes good quality pictures
~ decent battery life
~ reasonably priced ( around $200 would be good)

I've looked at few so far:

http://www.circuitcity.com/IMAGE/product/detail/can/PC.CAN.POWERSHOTA530.FC.JPG
http://www.circuitcity.com/IMAGE/product/detail/nik/EC.NIK.COOLPIXP2.JPG

http://www.circuitcity.com/IMAGE/product/detail/son/EC.SON.DSCP200.JPG

http://www.circuitcity.com/IMAGE/product/detail/can/EC.CAN.POWERSHOTA610.JPG

Please feel free to recommend something else as well. Thank you

[anjuli]

We just bought the Canon PowerShot S2 IS tonight from Dell Home for 20% off. Dell Home is running a 10 day special sale on different items each day. Check it out before you buy your cameras. I also check www.bensbargains.net and www.cheapstingybargains.com before I make any electronic purchase because they list all the on-going discounts, rebates, and coupons for the major online stores.

[paiger]

I'd like a small Digital Camera. Does anyone have a really small camera that they love? I think I'll be more likely to use it more, if I have one that I can carry (or get DH to) really easily.

[Katy]

I have a Canon PowerShot A510 that I've been using for about a year now. At first, I loved how it was so easy to use and took decent pictures. Now that I've learned a bit more and have played around with the hubby's pro Nikon camera (whatever it is), I need a bit more oomph in a digicam - faster speed, more zoom, etc. But for the price, it was a great beginner(ish) camera for me.

And the cool part...it's great for taking pictures of wiggly dogs and cats (it even has special settings for pets, kids, snow, beach, indoor, foliage, etc) :cool:

[kdotp]

And the cool part...it's great for taking pictures of wiggly dogs and cats (it even has special settings for pets, kids, snow, beach, indoor, foliage, etc) :cool:

Hee. http://www.smileys.ws/smls/cheeky/00000011.gif

[KarenS]

The two that I've been recommending lately - as far as pocket digicams are these:

The Canon Powershot A620 for around $250
The Canon SD700IS Elph for under $500

They're both good cameras and are fast with minimal shutter lag. The Powershot has slightly more megapixels (which you may or may not need). But the part about the SD that makes it worth the money is the IS function. IS = Image Stability which means it has a built in vibration reduction that will eliminate (or lessen) blur from camera shake if you're in a darker situation and have to use a slower shutter speed or if you are moving yourself (like in a moving car) and the camera is shaking or vibrating.

The A620 is a newer version of the A510 that Katy mentioned above - it's faster because it has the newer Canon processor on it, but otherwise, it still has the same features and functions that all the Canon Powershot A series cameras have.

We currently have a Canon G5 and an older Canon Elph for our personal cameras, but if we were going to buy anotherone, we'd look seriously at the SD700IS.

Hope that helps someone.

Karen

[nic]

I found the Canon A620 for $211, I think I'm going to buy it.
I know nothing about digital cameras, what type of memory card do I need? I assume that one doesn't come with the camera, right?

[paiger]

The Canon Powershot A620 for around $250
The Canon SD700IS Elph for under $500

They're both good cameras and are fast with minimal shutter lag. The Powershot has slightly more megapixels (which you may or may not need). But the part about the SD that makes it worth the money is the IS function. IS = Image Stability which means it has a built in vibration reduction that will eliminate (or lessen) blur from camera shake if you're in a darker situation and have to use a slower shutter speed or if you are moving yourself (like in a moving car) and the camera is shaking or vibrating.


Karen ~ The IS sounds like something good for us, b/c we do love to take self portraits :o! Is one of these better for bad lighting? I don't know if it's b/c our current DC is a 1.3 MP or what, but I can't get a good picture in our apartment b/c we don't have any overhead lighting, then if you use the flash it creates a HUGE glare no matter what. Will these cameras help with that, and is one better than the other? For shutter lag, does that include how fast the flash recharges, b/c I find that to be really annoying!

[paiger]

ETA: B/c I answered my own question.

But, what kind of battery life should I be looking for. I've seen that most of the true ultra-small pocket cameras only come with the Li Batteries. Are these reliable? I hate to not be able to put AA Alkaline's in in a pinch. Is it annoying to always HAVE to use the battery that comes with it. Is buying good rechargeable AA's w/a fast charger about the same price as buying an extra Lithium battery that Canon makes for their ultra-small cameras?

[Asha]

we just bought a kodak easy share z650. it has taken clear, vibrant pictures. it's not a slim camera at all, but it has good features, and we got it for a good price at costco.

we still haven't figured it completely out though. we can't figure out how to take pictures out night without the pictures being blurry.

[paiger]

I just got a Canon SD600...was going to get the SD630 for the bigger screen but the design/controls weren't as easy and user friendly as the 600.

When you say that it's flimsy, is it a piece of rubbery material? That's what's on my older camera, and it isn't too bad. Or does it feel really cheap? I think, from what I've read in reviews, this must be almost exactly the same as the SD 700 except without the image stability. Does it take good pictures w/o good lighting? Does the flash work well (no glare and good recovery)?

[paiger]

Man, it seems like people were only coming to this thread b/c of the drama!! B/c now, it's getting no love!!

So, I've been looking at Digicams for 3 days straight!! I've gotten some questions about some of the cameras I've seen from dcresource.com.

Unfortunately, he commonly says that the image quality isn't as good for the little ultra-small cameras, but I don't know if that's b/c he's a photographer and judging hard. I can't tell if they would be good for my purposes and that getting an ultra-small for easy use outweighs the image quality issues. I just think we'll carry it (ie. use it) more if it's small.

I would like quality images up to 5x7" size, but mostly just your regular print. I would like red eye reduction, but from what I've seen no ultra-smalls do a terrific job for this. Is the image software easy to use to correct for this?

What does the High ISO mean? If I'm wanting small pictures, does this matter for everyday usage?

Is the Optical Viewfinder important? Most of the ultra-smalls don't have the OV, and the guy that reviews for dcresource.com seems to be in love w/ OV! Would it be horrible to take pictures without it?

What do y'all really think about image stabilization for an ultra-small?

Another common con was that the ultra-smalls have a lesser positive review for Indoor Low Light situations. Would this be for the 'Auto' setting? Most have several settings, and I would think you would be able to somewhat correct for this. It would be very bad for me if I couldn't take pictures inside as our apartment doesn't have very good lighting.

Several of the cameras don't have 2.0 USB High Level Support, some didn't even list 2.0 USB Support ~ Is this a big deal?

Is there a big benefit to having Manual Focus for your average travel and pet picture-taker?

I saw one camera that isn't ultra-small, but a purse camera that allowed for RAW/TIFF pictures. Is this a really good thing, or just a whatever type benefit?

The cameras that we are looking at are:
Ultra-Small:
Canon PowerShot SD700 IS Digital ELPH
Nikon Coolpix P4
Panasonic Lumix DMC-FX01
Casio Exilim EX-Z850

Small:
Canon PowerShot A620
Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX1

[nicole]

ardathpaige - I'm by no means an expert, but I'll try to answer some of your questions. With my old digicam I only used the optical viewfinder when I was outside and it was too bright to see the LCD. I know they've updated LCDs so this may not be as big of an issue now, but you might want to think about how you'll use your camera to see if an optical viewfinder would benefit you or not.

As I understnad it, the reason red-eye is an issue on smaller cameras is because the flash is too close to the lens, which is unavoidable since the cameras are so small. I've had some luck with red-eye reducing software, but there are some cases where the red eye just will not go away. If it was an important pic I would probably just change it to black and white if I couldn't get rid of the red-eye.

As far as printing quality, if the biggest print you plan on getting is 5x7, most of the newer digital cameras will have enough resolution to print 5x7s with no problems.

High ISO is something I'm not really familiar with in digital cameras, but I believe it is for low light situations. You can up the ISO and the picture will come out a little grainy, but you'll still get the shot.

In general, I would stick to a Canon or a Nikon if you can just because I think they're nicer cameras.

My new camera (Canon PowerShot S3 IS) has Image Stabilization (hence the "IS") but I have yet to fiddle with it. Eventually I'll take some pictures with and some without and see if it makes a difference, but for now I don't know.

I hope that helps a little!

[KarenS]

Man, it seems like people were only coming to this thread b/c of the drama!! B/c now, it's getting no love!!Actually I just didn't get any notifications of new posts. :)

Unfortunately, he commonly says that the image quality isn't as good for the little ultra-small cameras [Warning - massively sexist generalization coming] Male photographers are the most hung up on gear and equipment and measuring tiny little increments of "quality" of any people I've ever known in my life. Male photographers would rather have $80k worth of top of the line equipment and argue about lighting ratios than they would have a slightly soft, warmly emotional photograph. [/End massively sexist male photographer generalization] I know several male photographers who aren't like that, but in my experience (running a message board for over 1000 photographers), it tends to hold true.

The smaller the camera, the smaller the chip. The smaller the chip, the smaller the final image (no matter how many megapixels; a 5 megapixel image from a 35mm sized chip is going to be a better image than a 12 megapixel image from an 18mm sized chip. always). The smaller the final image, the lower the quality. Sure. It's all true. Technically. But technically can blow it out it's ear for all I care. What matters is practical use. And practically, you're going to print 4x6s, 5x7s and *maybe* an 8x10 once in a while. And practically, according to the statistics, mostly you're going to send these images in email and post them on the web. Right? Right! So whatever. Any current model point-n-shoot camera is going to work for you in the long run. What's important is finding the one that you're comfortable with. :)

I would like red eye reduction, but from what I've seen no ultra-smalls do a terrific job for this. Nope. They're never going to. Red eye is caused by something called the "angle of incidence rule". W/out getting overly technical, red eye is the light of the flash bouncing off of the back of the eye and being recorded on the film (or sensor). When your flash is far away from your lens, the light bounces, but is reflected at too big an angle to bounce back into the lens. When your flash is close to your lens, you get the reflection. A point and shoot's flash will *always* be too close to the lens. And no amount of "preflash" is going to fix that, especially if you're in a dark room and people's eyes are dilated. The *only* way to reliably prevent red-eye is to move the flash farther away from the lens, which isn't possible with a small camera. This is one of the rare times when you'll hear me say this is something that's easier to fix in the software than in the camera.

What does the High ISO mean? If I'm wanting small pictures, does this matter for everyday usage?Think of old fashioned film! :D You could buy film at 100 speed, 400 speed, 800 speed, etc. The "speed" of the film dictates how sensitive the film is and how much light you need to properly expose it. The higher the number, the less outside light you need. Digital cameras carry that through with adjustable ISO in camera. The darker it is, the faster your ISO will need to be (the larger the number will need to be). It's a trade off. A slower ISO will give you a sharper, brighter, more colorful image. But you need more light. A faster ISO will allow you to take photos w/out flash in darker surroundings, but the image will be grainier, less sharp, less vivid. It all depends on what you mostly plan to use the camera for. Most people who are not shooting professionally (or at an advanced amateur level) rarely take their cameras off of automatic and wind up using their flash and shooting at 400 ISO at the most.

Is the Optical Viewfinder important? Most of the ultra-smalls don't have the OV, and the guy that reviews for dcresource.com seems to be in love w/ OV! Would it be horrible to take pictures without it?I personally cannot take photos w/out an optical viewfinder. But that's because of the cameras I use every day. I find a digital screen viewfinder to be clunky, awkward, and they don't give me the control I want. If you're comfortable with them, go for it! :)

What do y'all really think about image stabilization for an ultra-small? IS rocks. The man who invented it deserves a sainthood. Counterintuitively, the smaller and lighter the camera, the harder it is to hold it steady. A smaller camera with a smaller chip is more likely to have shaky images than a larger, heavier camera that requires balance and support.

Another common con was that the ultra-smalls have a lesser positive review for Indoor Low Light situations. Would this be for the 'Auto' setting? See above about the ISO and the size of the chip. If you're shooting in low light at a high ISO and you have a smaller image, then the image quality as you enlarge them will drop rapidly. Again, really, for 80% of the population, not an issue.

Several of the cameras don't have 2.0 USB High Level Support, some didn't even list 2.0 USB Support ~ Is this a big deal?Nope. You should never connect your camera to your computer to download. Get a card reader and download the CARD from the camera. You have less risk of some kind of weirdness happening to your camera that way. A USB2.0 card reader is less than $20 at any store.

Is there a big benefit to having Manual Focus for your average travel and pet picture-taker?Nope. :) Not unless you are really picky about recomposing and critical focus.

I saw one camera that isn't ultra-small, but a purse camera that allowed for RAW/TIFF pictures. Is this a really good thing, or just a whatever type benefit?RAW rocks my world. But for the average photo taker RAW is more trouble than it's worth. It requires special software to read and convert before it's viewable by the average viewer. It requires knowing a lot more about post processing of your images, exposure, color, tone, etc. Unless you're plannign to really get into those things in depth, avoid RAW.

Canon PowerShot SD700 IS Digital ELPHHighly recommend based on my current Elph and the ones I've handled. Don't know anyting about the other ones.

Canon PowerShot A620Ditto the above, except I don't own one of these. I've just played aroudn with a friend's.

Does that help any? Let me know if you have any questions.

K.

[paiger]

Damn, server too busy ate my post!! Argh! So, I think I can remember what all I said:

And practically, you're going to print 4x6s, 5x7s and *maybe* an 8x10 once in a while. And practically, according to the statistics, mostly you're going to send these images in email and post them on the web. Right? Right!

Absolutely! I'm definitely only going to be using it to print smaller pictures and use hosting sites. I have a problem now w/ shutterfly saying that my pictures aren't print quality, but I also have an ancient digicam. I just want some pictures that look like I took them with a fairly nice 35mm camera, ya know.

This is one of the rare times when you'll hear me say this is something that's easier to fix in the software than in the camera.

W/ the red-eye software, is that going to come with the digicam. Or, to get good red eye reduction software are we going to need to buy a photo software? I hope the newer camera softwares are fairly decent.

I personally cannot take photos w/out an optical viewfinder. But that's because of the cameras I use every day. I find a digital screen viewfinder to be clunky, awkward, and they don't give me the control I want.

With my old digicam I only used the optical viewfinder when I was outside and it was too bright to see the LCD. I know they've updated LCDs so this may not be as big of an issue now, but you might want to think about how you'll use your camera to see if an optical viewfinder would benefit you or not.
Until these two statements, I actually was thinking that the OV was the box on the LCD screen that helping you center your pictures. I get it now...it's the little window! Whew, that was a dense moment. I know with my current digicam, we always used the LCD screen. However, in the bright sun, I don't think that LCD screens have been much improved in their ability to correct for that. But, I'm more of a picture-posing type of person, so if the picture doesn't come out right, then we can just retake it, right? :) Typically, you can see the picture in the LCD screen better than you can see in the screen when you are trying to line the camera up, I think.

Nope. You should never connect your camera to your computer to download. Get a card reader and download the CARD from the camera. You have less risk of some kind of weirdness happening to your camera that way. A USB2.0 card reader is less than $20 at any store.


That's good to know about the USB connector accessory. I was thinking we'd get one of those anyway and hopefully the Sony one I got in like 2003 still works for these newer cards.

Speaking of accessories, that is really the issue I'm having in my decision. I'd like for us to get a bigger card, card reader (opt), extra Li battery, wall charger (if it doesn't come with one), and possibly a camera case.

With the Canon SD700 IS costing already $450-500, that could mean the total purchase was a bit more than I'd like to spend. Currently, I see it's pro's as: 6 Mega Pixels, Image Stabilization, Optical View Finder, Estimated Battery Life of 240 shots, Brand Recommendation from everyone on top of highly recommended by Karen :), and 2.5" LCD.

The Nikon Coolpix P4 is around $350-400. Pros for it are: 8.1 MP (but I understand that this MP is pretty equal to 6MP), Image Stabilization, supposed Better Red Eye Reduction, Estimated Battery Life of 200 shots, Nikon having decent Brand Name, and 2.5" LCD screen. So, the cons are the Optical View Finder and less of a battery life.

The Panasonic Lumix DMC-FX01 is $300-350 with pros including: 6 MP, Image Stabilization, Battery Life Estimate of 320 shots, some kind of wide angle thing, and 2.5" LCD screen. While Panasonic was not recommended here, I have heard good things about their proprietary batteries.

So, I'm beating my head against the wall about the price variation between these. They are all pretty much the same size, with the same LCD screen, with the same included storage method, same manual controls, and same zoom. Is the Canon Brand name that much more reliable? Do I really want to spend that much more on a camera? DH has reached his maximum on hearing me talk about all this. He thinks any of the 3 are fine, though he is wary of the cost of the Canon. However, considering this is our anniversary gift to each other, and he is going to be out of town for our anniversary, I don't think he can say anything :)!

What do you think?

[KarenS]

I think that honestly you'll be fine with any of those three. I *personally* would only buy Canon or Nikon because ... well when it comes to cameras those are the companies I believe in. And I believe they make better lenses (photo glass) than consumer electronics companies like Panasonic, Sony, etc. I know other people have and love cameras by those companies and I'm not *not* recommending them. I'm just sayin' ... :) For me it's Canon or Nikon.

The price difference on the Canon is 100% about the IS. Image Stability is worth $$ - both in terms of value to you and cost to put in the camera. If you were to take the IS out of the Canon, you'd be in the same price range across the board.

At this point I truly think it's a matter of finding a store that carries all three of them (if you can) and going and holding each one in your hand. That will tell you right away which one feels most comfortable in your hand - and to be perfectly honest, all the professional/technical gobbledegook aside - if it's not comfortable in your hand, you'll never shoot it.

If you're comfortable buying online once you've made your decision I cannot recommend B&H enough. I buy all of my pro gear from them and they have the absolute best prices. The Canon SD700 is $435 from them (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=425431&is=REG&addedTroughType=search) just as an example.

But as I said, I'm biased towards Canon becuase that's what I shoot professionally and because I have an earlier Elph. Any of those three would probably do quite nicely for you!

Karen

[paiger]

So, you think that Canon's Image Stabilization is better than Nikon's Image Stabilization?

Battery-wise do you really think there is that much difference between 200, 240 and 320 shots?

We'll definitely be ordering online!!

[KarenS]

So, you think that Canon's Image Stabilization is better than Nikon's Image Stabilization?Yes, I do. Well, wait. Let me qualify that. I've never shot either's version of IS in a small camera. I've shot *lenses* with IS (or the Nikon version which is VR - Vibration Reduction). I personally feel that the Canon IS is better than the Nikon VR. So ... keep that in mind. It may be *totally* different in a small camera.

Battery-wise do you really think there is that much difference between 200, 240 and 320 shots?Not really. There are a *lot* of factors that can influence that number. How often wil you use the camera (in other words, how much will the battery just sit)? What are the average temps (too cold or too hot will shorten the charge time)? Do you look at the back of the camera a lot to view images (we call it "chimping") or do you never chimp at all? Do you tend to delete in camera or do you just download everything and delete on your computer? And even what ISO you're using, how much flash you use, how often you have to refocus ... all kinds of stuff like that will have an influence on battery life. My belief is that all of these companies make decent batteries and even more you can buy third party batteries for a fraction of the cost if you feel you need a few extra ones (I buy all my extra batteries at http://www.batteryspace.com - and I rarely buy Canon brand batteries).

Oh, and I was going to answer your software question, but got bitten by the dreaded "server busy" notification! :) Any new camera you buy should come with a copy of PhotoShop Elements - it's Photoshop "Lite" and it will do everything you need. The redeye fix in PSE is just fine. :)

K

[chefker]

I skimmed through this thread (albeit briefly!) and haven't seen any mention of Pentax. I know they're not one of the 'top two' brands, but I'm kind of loyal to Pentax because my prehistoric (but awesome) Pentax LX SLR camera has been my favorite for like, EVER. I know, it's time to upgrade! I bought the thing in the 80's, for crying out loud. :)

I'm window-shopping for a DSLR right now, and mostly see people recommending Canons & Nikons, which really isn't too big a surprise. Just curious to see if anyone here has any experience with a Pentax DSLR?

(Of course, I'll probably end up buying whatever fits our budget and needs, no matter the brand!)

[paiger]

I do 'chimp', so I'd imagine that I'd eat a battery pretty quick. That's good to know about the generic batteries, though. So, that pretty much takes the estimated battery life of the cameras out of the weighing pros and cons.

I'll go back to all those sights and look at the pictures that they took with those cameras. They had some direct comparisons using the IS and without. Then, price them out including the accessories we want and go from there, I guess.

I'll definitely go this weekend to look at them to see if the ergonomics of the cameras sway my decision, too! That's a good plan.

AHH! Chefker don't give me another brand. I'm about wiped out on reading up on all these digicams :p!

[chefker]

Sorry ardathpaige! :)

I'm just thinking of the longevity of the Pentax that I DO have....I was using my Pentax to take pictures in Disney World in 1983, and it STILL takes nice pictures! Damn, my camera is legal drinking age now. ;)

[KarenS]

'm just thinking of the longevity of the Pentax that I DO have....I was using my Pentax to take pictures in Disney World in 1983,FWIW, most older film cameras have that kind of longevity. I still use my Nikon F2 which I got in 1980. :)

Digital cameras are a whole 'nother ballgame. Even the best of digital cameras is not going to last as long as the cheapest of film cameras. You're talking about a completely mechanical camera vs. top of the line electronics. The mechanical will always hold up to more abuse than the electronic.

What weighs in for me to a large degree is going to be the ability to get something repaired if necessary. I feel that I'm more likely to be able to get a Canon or a Nikon repaired than a Pentax ... over the long haul. Again, that's me and my preferences. :)

karen

[shopaholic]

When you say that it's flimsy, is it a piece of rubbery material? That's what's on my older camera, and it isn't too bad. Or does it feel really cheap? I think, from what I've read in reviews, this must be almost exactly the same as the SD 700 except without the image stability. Does it take good pictures w/o good lighting? Does the flash work well (no glare and good recovery)?
I am not exactly sure what you are referring to? I don't remember saying anything was flimsy?

[paiger]

I am not exactly sure what you are referring to? I don't remember saying anything was flimsy?
I was trying to ask about the USB plug in cover, but it's okay, b/c I've narrowed my search down lots since I asked that question!! Thanks for checking back, though!

[nic]

I'm ready to order the canon A620 but know I need help with the accessories.

I plan to buy
DPS-5000 Rechargeable Battery Charger Kit

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/images/products/mlrg/A0440874.jpg
and

1 GB Secure Digital Card
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/images/products/mlrg/A0441651.jpg

to go along with the camera. Will these be okay or can you rrecommend another card and battery pack that would be better? Thanks

[KarenS]

Both of those look fine to me. :) I usually buy my batteries from batteryspace.com (but then I buy in quantities of 100+). Just something to keep in mind if you're in the market for lots of batteries and chargers at a good price.

Karen

[paiger]

Karen ~ Thanks for all your help. We decided on the Canon as the Nikon wasn't as small as we wanted, and the smaller Nikon wasn't as good.

Have you ever ordered from buydig.com? They have the best deal that I've found for getting the camera and package of accessories. However, I don't want to order from a creepy site.

The site you put up and newegg.com both have similar accessory packs, so I don't mind not ordering from buydig.com, if it isn't as reliable.

[KarenS]

Honestly I've never heard of them. I'm very leary of ordering from any site that's not well known in the photo community. There are so many bait and switch places out there - I know a lot of people have ordered something and had their credit cards charged, only to be told that the item was "backordered" and they could substitute something else or they'd have to wait. I dunno ... I'm not at all saying that buydig.com is one of these places, but I just wouldn't risk it.

Karen

[paiger]

Just when you thought you were done with me!!

So, I've been pouring over these 'bundles' of the camera with accessories for a discount, and I think I still might be able to piece something together cheaper as I don't know that I 'need' all the things they are suggesting.

So, can you offer some words of wisdom the cards and card readers?

A girl at work says that her camera is a 3.5MP, and she can get like over 200 pictures on a 512MB card. I know my pictures will take up more memory, but I'm thinking now I might not need a 1GB card (which is what they are pushing). Do you have a way to estimate how many pictures you think we'll get on a 512MB card? I'm not one to keep pictures on cards. I usually upload, then erase. What makes some cards more expensive than others? Is there something else I should be looking at other than just the MBs?

For the card readers, do you have any company suggestions? I had NO idea there would be so many do choose from, it's crazy!

Also, I'd like to get a tabletop tripod. When it says - fits point and shoot models? Does that mean that all point and shoot models have the same size hole for a tripod? I don't want to get one and find out that it doesn't work, but I also don't want to buy the Canon one, which is like $30.

[KarenS]

Whoops. Too much drama, not enough time talking cameras! :)

So, can you offer some words of wisdom the cards and card readers?
I'm thinking now I might not need a 1GB card (which is what they are pushing). Do you have a way to estimate how many pictures you think we'll get on a 512MB card? I would suspect a 512MB card would be fine for you. I can't really tell how many shots you'd get because I don't know what size each file is, but I'm sure over 200. 1GB cards are pretty inexpensive (relatively speaking) but as long as you download pretty frequently, you should be fine. One thing that does influence the price is the speed of the card - you'll see some marked 40x or 80x or turbo or whatever. For the average person it really doesn't matter. The speed comes in when you're shooting multiple shots in a row - like a sports shooter or a fashion shooter and you need a card that writes quickly. For regular consumer use, I wouldn't worry about it.

For the card readers, do you have any company suggestions? I had NO idea there would be so many do choose from, it's crazy!Thare are thousands of them, aren't there? The one I use is a Sandisk - but really *any* of them will do fine. What I would recommend is that you make sure what you get is either USB2.0 or firewire (vs. older USB1.0). It really makes a difference in how fast the cards download - which can be a big deal. Waiting for a card to download is the biggest pain in the a** ever.

As for the tripod, most tripod mounts are a standard size. I would suspect that any one you buy would be fine. It's not until you get up into DSLRs that you get varying sizes of mount screws.

One thing that I will suggest is that you back up your images after downloading. Every time, w/out fail. Burn them to a DVD or a CD. The biggest risk of digital is having something happen to your computer and you lose all of your photos.

Feel free to PM me if you have any other questions and I don't respond quickly! :)

K.

[paiger]

Thanks! I just ordered it and can't wait for our camera to arrive. I really appreciate all your help, and your not minding my impatience :)!

[chefker]

What weighs in for me to a large degree is going to be the ability to get something repaired if necessary. I feel that I'm more likely to be able to get a Canon or a Nikon repaired than a Pentax ... over the long haul. Again, that's me and my preferences. :)

karen

Good point...even when my Pentax was new, it was a hassle finding parts for it.
I think I'm leaning toward the Canon Rebel XT. Since this is my first foray into a DSLR, I figure I might as well get a mainstream brand/model. Hopefully nothing will go wrong with it, but if it does, it'd be good to have a model that I could easily have repaired.

Now, onto my next question. :) Has anyone ordered from Express Cameras?
I'm leery of placing such a HUGE order online, but they appear to have one of the lowest prices I've found.

The basic Canon Rebel XT package is $599 (http://www.expresscameras.com/prodetails.asp?prodid=306447&up=306293&start=1) at Express Cameras.

Average price I've found is about $800, so this is a pretty good deal. The local Ritz Camera near me is selling the Rebel, but without this starter kit, for $800, less a $100 mfg. rebate. I'm just super paranoid about ordering something so expensive online!

[KarenS]

Huh. I tried to copy and paste the list of things in the package, but I can't. Bleah.

Ok, I know nothing about Express Merchants to say yea or nay to them. But I can comment on the package. I will say that B&H has the same camera with just the better lens for nearly $800 and B&H is usually the cheapest of all the reputable camera companies. I'd be leary of ordering from a company that is *so* much cheaper for so much more "stuff" (and the lesser quality lens). That's just me.

The body and it's accessories seems fine
The lens is NOT a Canon lens and I'm pretty sure you'll be disappointed in it quickly
You'll need more than a 256M flash card if you plan to take a lot of photos - even if you plan to download a lot. You'll barely get 40 images on a 256M card with the Rebel.
I don't know what brand the reader is, but I'm sure it's fine. Probably USB1.0 which will be slower - and I usually recommend USB2.0 or firewire, but still ... nothing wrong with it.
The LCD screen protectors are a waste. I used to use them and they always fell off or made it hard to see the screen. I am *hard* on my cameras and I've never gotten a scratch or a chip on my LCDs.
The "deluxe lens care and maintenance kit" is also a waste. Get a cheapo microfiber cloth ($3 or so) and keep it in your camera bag.
The camera case and lens keeper - equally so. Probably bad quality, won't hold the accessories, not worth the extra money.
The tripod will be a cheap piece of plastic that won't be stable in a light breeze and you'll wind up throwing it in the back of the closet and never using it.

If I were you I'd buy the camera, a good quality Canon lens, an extra battery, and a 1GB CF card to start with and don't worry about all the rest (and since you've been shooting SLRs a while, you probably have some of the stuff anyway - a tripod, a camera case, etc.).

K

[TracieB]

Karen,

Do you mind me asking what Canon lens you would recommend? I'm thinking I'd want something with IS, but want to make sure I get the right one. I also want to add that my photos are for publication... sometimes they print them in B&W and sometimes in color. My Sony just isn't cutting it so I'm looking for a DSLR. Thank you for all of your help in this thread - I've learned a lot!

[KarenS]

Tracie,

No problem. To be honest, my lens recommendations are of the prime lens variety - and until you get up into the 300mm range, they don't come in IS.

My first recommendation is the 50 1.4, or if you want something slightly less expensive, the 50 1.8. The 1.4 is around $300 and the 1.8 is around $85

If you really really want a zoom lens and have the money to spend, my next recommendation is the EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM, which runs about $1150

There is one Canon IS lens in the mid zoom range and it's the 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS - it runs about $420. I know absolutely nothing about it other than what I've read and I've never used it personally, so any recommendation I could make is jsut to say that Canon makes really good lenses and I'd be inclined to try it myself if I were in the market.

Other than that, I personally don't use regular zoom lenses that have f stops that are in the 4.0 to 5.6 range, so again, I really can't speak about them from any personal experience. I know that's not helpful from a consumer level, but if I were to shoot them, I personally would find them *way* too slow (f-stop wise) and wouldn't like them. That doesn't mean a consumer with different needs wouldn't be just fine with one of them.

Sorry I can't be more helpful.

Karen

[TracieB]

This is the package I'm looking at buying...

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=371194&is=REG&addedTroughType=categoryNavigation Canon EOS Digital Rebel XT (a.k.a. 350D) 8.0 Megapixel, SLR, Digital Camera (Silver) Kit with Canon 18-55mm EF-S Lens

I'm thinking I'll need a better lens than the one that comes with the package, and I'd rather not spend >$1000 on it so it looks like that mid-range one might be perfect. However, a $1000 lens would be a nice write-off on my taxes!! Hehe... I'll read up about it some more. Thanks again!

[chefker]

More dumb questions from me. :)

I have a bunch of polarizing/UV filters from my OLD camera (non digital SLR). I'm assuming these will work just as well with lenses for a DSLR? If not, I can buy new ones, but I'd hate to buy a duplicate of something I already have, if it can be utilized with the new camera.

Karen, thanks for pointing out that it wasn't even a Canon lens with that package! I really need to read the fine print at some of these websites. I think I will go in person to the Ritz Camera store that's right around the corner from me, and compile a list of what basics I will need.

[KarenS]

Heh. Not dumb. Your polarizing and UV filters will work just fine. Most film stuff works fine with digital stuff (in the SLR arena) - accessories and bits and pieces, I mean.

Karen

[shopaholic]

I apologize ahead of time if this is a stupid question but what does everyone do with their old digi cams aside from trying to sell on ebay/garage sale?

Are there any stores/places that accept used cameras that they perhaps recycle/use the parts?

I have an old fuji finepix that still works somewhat...it seems every other pic the screen has lines going through it which then reflects in the pics. I've since bought a new camera so I don't need/want this one anymore.

[Katy]

Celica, I gave mine away to my niece (it was a Fuji Finepix as well).

[EmilyZA]

I'm so glad I found this thread!

My digital camera sh!t the bed this week. It was a Canon S400 Digital Elph, nearly three years old, and I loved it. I used it a TON... both my husband and I take a lot of pictures, and we really got our money's worth out of that camera, IMO.

Now the question is what to buy next...

I don't know much about photography but have always wanted to learn. I of course want a DSLR, but I think it's a little out of my league price-wise, as well as the sheer knowledge of photography that I would need to know walking into a purchase like that. Looking at it, though, I really think I want it for the high quality as well as the zoom.

That being said, I really have an interest in the Canon S2 IS or S3 IS. I like the idea of the 12x zoom. Although I'm iffy on the size, and my husband liked the Elph so much b/c he could just stick it in his pocket.

So I'm bouncing between the SD700 Elph (with IS) and the S2 or S3. Help me make my decision, please! I'm lost! I just want pictures that look great and that I can learn from, too.

[eli1126]

DH bought me a camera in May a Nikon Coolpix L3. For the most part I like it, but what I am having trouble with is taking pictures inside. The blur warning always comes on and I tried putting the flash on, turning all the lights on, etc.. but it still just doesn't do a good job inside. Does anyone have any experience with this camera? Any ideas?

Beth

[manatee]

Hi,

I need help! I'm a complete camera novice and am using the camera to take pictures of my one year-old dd and our black lab. I have a Nikon Coolpix P1 right now but hate it. I feel that the reaction time is very slow and it takes a long time before I can take another picture. After I push the shutter button, it takes a long time before the pictue is actually taken. By that time, my dd has already moved and I lost the shot. After I take a picture, it takes forever before the camera is ready for me to take another picture. This is all using the auto mode. I also have a problem with taking pictures inside without flash, even when I think there's enough light.

Am I doing something wrong? Is there another mode I can use or some function I can turn on to fix this situation? I tried reading the manual and playing around but can't figure things out. Do I need to get another camer? If so, what kind? I don't mind spending some money to get a great camera with less delay time but need it to be fairly user friendly.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciate!

[FoxyBlue]

I don't know what point and shoot would not have the time delays.

I bought a coolpix and have the same problem.

I've read, and found, that the 'scene' mode is the best way to take pics. For example, to get pictures of my engagement ring, I chose the "close up" mode. Without it, I couldn't get the camera to focus. With it, I got a decent picture.

I also have the same problem with blurring. I cannot seem to get a decent picture without the flash. Turning the flash off does eliminate that pesky time delay, but it often results in poor pictures. If you can, do it with and without the flash.

I wish I had more help, but that's all I have so far.

I also have a Nikon D70, with NONE of the blur or delay problems. Unfortunately, I too would like a small point and shoot, but don't know which kind would not have these issues. Let me know if you find out!!

[Sal03]

bumping this up because I am having this same problem with my Canon Powershot SD550 Elph
I also have the same problem with blurring. I cannot seem to get a decent picture without the flash. Turning the flash off does eliminate that pesky time delay, but it often results in poor pictures. If you can, do it with and without the flash.


We had a Sony before this camera and it was slower but I am thinking that the image stabilization feature made it worth it. This camera takes beautiful pictures outside but the flash ones are not even always great. Sometimes they are too bright and I find that the color is not always right. I am really starting to wish we had just bit the bullet and invested in an SLR.
I just don't understand why when you are taking a picture inside without the flash it would be blurry every.single.time. Even when my kids are actually sitting still! And this is in any mode on the camera.

[Rosebud]

This thread is so helpful! I'm in the market for a new digital camera. I currently have a Sony Cybershot 5MP and it's been fine for simple point and shoot stuff. But I'm looking for a camera that will have better image stabilization and less lag time inbetween photos. The Sony has a hard time with flash and indoor photos... we end up with a lot of dark, blurry and grainy shots. We're taking a trip to Ireland next year, and I really want a good camera to take with us.

From what I've read in this thread the Canon SD700 IS sounds like it would be a good fit for me. I was looking around online at prices and see that there appears to be a new model of this camera... the Canon SD800 IS. Amazon is selling the SD700 for $295 and the SD800 for $360.

My question for those who know cameras is... do you think the SD800 is worth the extra money? I'm trying to figure out the difference between the two models and if it would really make a difference for the kind of photos I'm taking. TIA!

Canon PowerShot SD700 IS 6MP Digital Elph Camera with 4x Image Stabilized Zoom
http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000EN0K94.01._AA280_SCLZZZZZZZ_V40410264_.jpg

Canon PowerShot SD800 IS 7.1MP Digital Elph Camera with 3.8x Wide Angle Image-Stabilized Optical Zoom
http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000HAOVGM.01._AA280_SCLZZZZZZZ_V41551730_.jpg

[ReinaB]

Do any of these cameras that you all are having problems with able to have shutter and aperature manually set?
Presets are very limited because they're based on assumption.
If you consider that the 'action' preset, for example, is probably based for outdoor usage, you could assume it's a very high shutter speed and small aperature; the twilight setting, conversely, would have a slower shutter speed and wide open aperature.
Try NOT using the presets as they're intended. For indoors, use the 'twilight' settings, not 'portrait' (if there's a portrait one). Use the action settings for photographing your kids and pets. If the cameras have a 'white balance' or light adjustment feature(shown as -.07 up to +3 in most), experiment with that-the higher the number, the brighter the picture, but it may lose detail.
Always use the best setting the camera has for picture quality-the pictures will be larger, but before uploading, you can reduce their size, which will sharpen them a lot. You'll have to probably buy a larger memory card, but well worth it and it's cheaper than starting over.
Finally, a digital camera is a hard drive. Work on your pictures (adjusting brightness, etc) while they're still on the card, THEN upload to the computer.
Doing this makes the pictures almost RAW in that they're workable, sizeable and can be made printable. Once they're stored in your computer, they are what they are.
Hope this helps!

[Sal03]

Reina thanks for the suggestions. I have tried turning on and off every feature, the light adjustment...EVERYTHING. the camera will just not take a good indoor pic without a flash unless we are literally right in front of a window and all the lights are on.

Can someone help me with the Canon Digital rebel? I am looking at this one. I think it comes with a lens, rechargable battery, flash and sandisk from B & H. Is there anything else I would need besides a case? I am trying to see if there would be other hidden costs. this is what is included:


• EOS Digital Rebel XT (a.k.a. 350D)Digital Camera (Silver) w/ 18-55mm Lens
• Sandisk - 2GB CompactFlash Card
• EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 Lens (with lens cap and dust cap)
• NB-2LH Battery Pack
• CB-2LT Battery Charger
• USB Interface Cable
• Video Cable
• Neck Strap
• Viewfinder & Body Caps
• EOS Digital Solutions CD-ROM (ZoomBrowser EX, ImageBrowser, ArcSoft PhotoStudio)
• Digital Photo Professional 1.6 CD-ROM (for RAW file conversion)
• Instruction Manual CD-ROM (PDF versions of the instruction manuals)
• User's Guides
• 1-Year Canon U.S.A. Limited Warranty

[karlatta]

Ooh, I'm so glad someone bumped this thread.

DH and I are shopping for a new digital camera for my MIL to buy for us for Christmas. We don't really know her price range, but as this will be used to take pictures of her new grandbaby, we know she's willing to spend quite a bit.

Our requirements are pretty simple, but I fear that they will still mean that we're going to be asking for an expensive camera.

1) I don't want lag between pushing the button and taking the picture. I've missed out on so many cute shots of my 6 month old DS because our current camera lags so much. Do I need a DSLR to take care of the lag?

2) I want to learn more about photography, like using different lenses and stuff, but with two kids 15 months apart, I'm not going to have a lot of time. So I'd like something that I can use every day pretty much right out of the bag, only changing lenses and stuff when I'm really trying hard to get a "special" shot.

I used to work as one of the annoying photographers at Six Flags (you know, the ones who hassle you for a picture when you walk in), and we used a 35mm Canon Rebel, so I know that I am happy in general with the Canon Rebel series. But I just don't know what else is out there.

Thanks!

[paiger]

Rosebud03 ~ We got the SD700 back in like July, I guess. I knew they would come out with a new model, thus lowering the price of that one after I got it!! Oh well.

Anyway, I really like the SD700. The Image Stabilizer is SO, SO, SO worth it. My DH even 'tests' it by moving his hand really bad while taking the picture, and it even works then although, of course, not as well as just normal hand movement when pushing the button. I've really enjoyed the 'settings' in the manual mode. It has an 'inside' and a 'nighttime' mode for manaul, and we really use these. We've had pictures come out where our friend's didn't. DH also really enjoys the black and white feature when he's playing around pretending he's a photographer :).

It looks like the SD800 has a wide angle lens, which ours doesn't have. So, that would be the deciding factor for the price, I suppose. KarenS said earlier in this thread that the really large MB don't really matter above a certain value, so I wouldn't use the 6MB to 7.1MB difference in your deciding. I'm not really sure what the benefit of the Wide Angle would be. We aren't at all fancy in our picture taking, so we just wanted something easy to carry around that took good pictures. I think the image stabilizer definitely helps with that for us, since we aren't great photographers.

Due to the flash being so close to the shutter (I think this was explained earlier in the thread, too), there is definitely red eye with those little pocket cameras. I think you can photoshop this out, though, I just haven't really played around at all with this.

[Natrat80]

Our Canon Powershot died recently and we have the chance to buy a Canon Digital Rebel at cost from a photographer that we just used for our family portraits and that DH uses at work. Anyways, DH just called and I have to decide if I want the Rebel with 1 lense ($309 total) or 2 lenses ($385). I have no clue sense I've never had a camera with a lense. Can anyone help?

[Rosebud]

Thank you, ardathpaige!

I'm not sure we'd need that wide angle feature, so maybe the SD700 would be fine for us. I'm glad to hear that the IS really works-- that is one of the biggest selling points of this camera for me. I really appreciate your feedback!

[greenbunny]

I'm pretty certain I'm going with the Canon 20D. From what I've researched, I can buy the body alone, or the kit, which includes a 18-55mm lens. Would I be better off buying only the body and buying lenses as I learn (though obviously I need at least one, or else I won't be taking many pictures :p) or is that a good staple lens to start?

If it matters, I'm signing up for digital photography classes as soon as I've bought it.

ETA: I only just realized the 30D is now released. AUGH!

[ReinaB]

Reina thanks for the suggestions. I have tried turning on and off every feature, the light adjustment...EVERYTHING. the camera will just not take a good indoor pic without a flash unless we are literally right in front of a window and all the lights are on.

Can someone help me with the Canon Digital rebel? I am looking at this one. I think it comes with a lens, rechargable battery, flash and sandisk from B & H. Is there anything else I would need besides a case? I am trying to see if there would be other hidden costs. this is what is included:


• EOS Digital Rebel XT (a.k.a. 350D)Digital Camera (Silver) w/ 18-55mm Lens
• Sandisk - 2GB CompactFlash Card
• EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 Lens (with lens cap and dust cap)
• NB-2LH Battery Pack
• CB-2LT Battery Charger
• USB Interface Cable
• Video Cable
• Neck Strap
• Viewfinder & Body Caps
• EOS Digital Solutions CD-ROM (ZoomBrowser EX, ImageBrowser, ArcSoft PhotoStudio)
• Digital Photo Professional 1.6 CD-ROM (for RAW file conversion)
• Instruction Manual CD-ROM (PDF versions of the instruction manuals)
• User's Guides
• 1-Year Canon U.S.A. Limited Warranty

It has been suggested to me to not buy from B&H online. They jack up the prices from their store prices, which are very cheap indeed and if there's a sale or something, it's not utilized online.

[ReinaB]

I'm pretty certain I'm going with the Canon 20D. From what I've researched, I can buy the body alone, or the kit, which includes a 18-55mm lens. Would I be better off buying only the body and buying lenses as I learn (though obviously I need at least one, or else I won't be taking many pictures :p) or is that a good staple lens to start?

If it matters, I'm signing up for digital photography classes as soon as I've bought it.

ETA: I only just realized the 30D is now released. AUGH!


If you're looking at the 20D or 30D, may I suggest the Sony A100? It's 10.1mp camera, the reviews are excellent and it's from the Minolta heritage. The camera is basically the same as Minolta's Maxxum 5D (which will be in my hands next week! YAY!!!), which got better reviews than the Canon's for ease of handling and photo quality.
The Canons are good, but they're not the best, just that they are better advertised. The A100 retails around $800-$1000, about 1/2 the Canons.
As for lenses, buy one really good one for now until you get a feel for the camera and what you'd like to do with it. Some places will give a starter kit which includes a lens-you save some money that way.

[snowzilla]

Our Canon Powershot died recently and we have the chance to buy a Canon Digital Rebel at cost from a photographer that we just used for our family portraits and that DH uses at work. Anyways, DH just called and I have to decide if I want the Rebel with 1 lense ($309 total) or 2 lenses ($385). I have no clue sense I've never had a camera with a lense. Can anyone help?

I guess the question is which lenses does it come with? My guess is that the single lens would be an 18-55, which is a good "starter" lens, but if you do get into taking pictures with your Rebel, you'll find yourself drooling over other options. I'm guessing, based on price, that the second lens would probably be a 50mm 1.8 or 1.4 - if I'm right, and you haven't made your decision yet, I'd say go for it. It's a great lens, and was the first one I branched out into after the original kit lens (18-55) that came with my Rebel.

I have to warn you though - once you've bought yourself another lens, you'll want another, and another.... ;)

[princesse]

I am hoping that someone here can help me with this question. I have Nikon D50 and I am pretty happy with it. I bought a lens that was a step up from what was included and really like the quality of the pix.

Here is my question: when I download the pictures to my computer (a Power Book G4) the files all come up as NEF files and not jpegs. I have not had any luck at changing them. Even if I do it manually the pictures are all very checkered both when I send them or have them printed out via snapfish or another service. What could be going wrong? I'm really getting frustrated.

TIA for any help you can give me!

[ReinaB]

I am hoping that someone here can help me with this question. I have Nikon D50 and I am pretty happy with it. I bought a lens that was a step up from what was included and really like the quality of the pix.

Here is my question: when I download the pictures to my computer (a Power Book G4) the files all come up as NEF files and not jpegs. I have not had any luck at changing them. Even if I do it manually the pictures are all very checkered both when I send them or have them printed out via snapfish or another service. What could be going wrong? I'm really getting frustrated.

TIA for any help you can give me!
Maybe this can answer the whys?

NEF conversions (http://www.outbackphoto.com/workshop/NEF_conversion/nefconversion.html)

[princesse]

Thanks so much! I will have to read up. It is frustrating that you can't easily send them to others or easily print as you can with jpeg. So far....not a big fan. Maybe I just need some easy tweeking or something. But really I sent what I have to kodak.com and what I received back are horrible prints. Maybe I am stuck with having to print them myself?

[ReinaB]

Thanks so much! I will have to read up. It is frustrating that you can't easily send them to others or easily print as you can with jpeg. So far....not a big fan. Maybe I just need some easy tweeking or something. But really I sent what I have to kodak.com and what I received back are horrible prints. Maybe I am stuck with having to print them myself?

I never use a printer service. Printing them yourself is cost effective and you have total control over the outcome.
I use Kodak's Ultra Premium photo paper, satin finish. If you just want 4x6, it's easy enough to print two to an 8.5x11 sheet. A box of 50 sheets of this paper runs about $25 here in NJ. That's about 25c a print! And you don't have to leave the house ;)

[JLRenheos]

Does anyone have the Kodak Easyshare Z612 6.1 MP with 12X Optical Zoom w/a 2.5" LCD. It has the Image stabilization

What are you experiences with this particular digital camera? Anyone with a large viewfinder have any problems with the screen breaking?

www.Kodak.com/eknec/PageQuerier.jhtml?pq-path=8825&pq-locale=en_US&REFERRER_NAME=emailafriend

Input? Here's a picture of it

www.kodak.com/eknec/documents/e8/0900688a8049c5e8/Z612_FF_silver_250x200.jpg

[manatee]

Hi, I posted a while back about a new camera but we haven't gotten one yet. I've been trying to do a lot of research and am narrowing down my choices. Hope some of the experts on here can help me. My big question is still whether or not to go with a DSLR.

Here's a brief description of what my situation is. I have a 19 month old dd and a very active labrador. I currently use a Nikon point & shoot (Coolpix p1, I think). The problem I have with the camera is that there is a shutter lag of about 1.5 seconds (feels longer) and the next shot delay is at least 3 seconds, sometimes longer when the battery is lower. The problem with this is that I can't capture the shot of the moment and it takes too long before I can take another picture (especially with the flash). Also, the picture quality is not great.

I'm looking for a camera that will shoot nice pictures of my dd and dog with a better optical zoom and the ability to shoot wide-angle. It sounds like I need a DSLR but I know I'm never going to use more than the pre-set modes. I don't have the time to take photography classes and I don't know if DSLR is the right camera for me.

Right now, I'm looking at the Cannon Digital Rebel XTi or the Sony A-100 DSLR. I've also been looking at the Sony DSC-H2 or DSC-H5. Any advice or other suggestions? Help!

[Sal03]

I am a complete amateur and we just got the Canon Rebel XT and I absolutely love it. I don't use many of the settings and have just started to experiment a little with lighting. I mostly use the auto mode, but sometimes portrait and also there is a fast mode for kids and pets and I use that too. It is very user friendly. I had a canon powershot before this so I am used to canons and already had all the software in my computer which was nice.
I take the most beautiful pictures of my children now. The delay on my old camera always annoyed me so much. I am so happy with this camera

[manatee]

sal03, thanks for the suggestion. Do you find it very heavy to carry? Too heavy to take on outings? Is there a big learning curve?

[usafwife]

manatee ~ We have a Canon Rebel XT and love it. We've used many of the settings. Also, if you have a regular SLR the lenses will work on the digital SLR (but the digital lenses won't work on the regular SLR). We have a total of 3 lenses and 3 SLR cameras (2 SLRs and the digital SLR).

It isn't heavy at all (or at least to me). There wasn't a big learning curve for us but we've been using the SLRs for a while. I've had photography classes in high school and DH took a college photography class last year (learned exactly what I did when I was in high school on the yearbook staff).

I absolutely LOVE the increased shutter speed on the digital.

[MidwesternGal]

I have more of a general question regarding digi cams:

I currently have a no-name digital camera that's 3.1 mp (Vivitar is the brand). It has around 3x digital zoom. (We got it as an Xmas present from ILs about 3 years ago.)

Well, I've really been noticing lately that all my pics (even 4x6 size) have been coming out where you can really notice the little "dots" of color. I didn't notice it three years ago, but now that good quality point-and-shoot digital cameras have really come down in price, I can really see the difference between my pictures and those of my friends who have nicer cameras.

So I have been shopping around to find a good digital camera that takes nice quality photos in mostly 4x6 and 5x7 sizes, with a faster shutter speed (to get my baby in those little moments).

What is important to look for so you get great quality photos? Should I look for a higher megapixel? Optical zoom? (Someone told me cameras with optical zoom often have a better lens). . . . I want a point and shoot, not an SLR (out of current price range).

Anyway, if I could get a few ideas of the top 3 or 5 things that you camera gurus consider to be "most important" when searching for a good quality point and shoot digital camera, that'd be great!!

Thanks in advance!!

[Secret_Squirrel]

After lugging around my Nikon Coolpix 995 for years, I decided it was time for an upgrade to something newer, something smaller.

I bought the Canon PowerShot 710. I hate it. The images are flat, look digital and are overall much lower in quality than what came out of my 5 year old Nikon. Then, 2 months new, I took it out of the case and the LCD was cracked. What a waste of money.

I'm back to using my 995. And still need to upgrade. But I'll never buy another Canon.

[Sal03]

sal03, thanks for the suggestion. Do you find it very heavy to carry? Too heavy to take on outings? Is there a big learning curve?
sorry for the slow reply! it is heavy but I don't really mind it. We used it at a gym for my DD's birthday party this weekend and it was bulky to deal with but not too bad. And honestly - so worth it for all the action shots we got of the kids. We would have missed so many good shots with my old camera. I would say the first day I used it my pictures were not great and off center and some blurry. But I have used it a ton since and experimented with lighting and the settings and now I love the pics I have been getting. Obviously can not say enough about this camera!

[EJH]

So our Canon Powershot a610 broke. A couple months ago. The flash doesn't work...which is an issue. Finally went to see about fixing it. $180 to fix it!!

Just ordered a new camera...Canon a630 for $199 and free shipping!!! :D What a deal!

I found it through price grabber. Yay. And now we can again photograph our child with a flash, LOL.

[bunny nose]

Any thoughts on the Sony Cyber-shot 7.2 MP (DSCHS/B). How is the shutter lag?

[MidwesternGal]

Which camera sounds best? I want something that produces exceptional 4x6 pictures and will capture indoor photos best. I mostly shoot my 6m old son. I like to set up pretend "shoots" of him, too! I'd also like it to work for weddings and vacations too. Anyway, we can't afford over $200, and since I have a Dell gift card, these are the two that sound best to me:

Canon Powershot A550 7.1MP 4xZoom
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=A0963343

or

Panasonic Lumix DMC-TZ1S Silver 5.0 MP 10x Zoom Digital Camera
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=A0650304


bunnynose--I don't have personal experience, but one of my friends recently bought a Sony Cyber-Shot, and she really likes it. I've heard good things about that camera. It was in my top 5 picks!

[snowzilla]

MG, my personal experience with the Lumix has not been a positive one - my dad has one, and the pictures are not the greatest. I shoot SLR, but we do have two smaller Canons that we're very happy with for picture quality, etc.

I know you didn't mention this one, but the A630 is really popular right now, and is flying off the shelves around here. It's a great little camera.

[bunny nose]

bunnynose--I don't have personal experience, but one of my friends recently bought a Sony Cyber-Shot, and she really likes it. I've heard good things about that camera. It was in my top 5 picks!


Thanks MWG!!!

[MidwesternGal]

Snowzilla--Thanks!!! I was leaning towards the Canon, but then the Pansonic sounded pretty good, so I wasn't sure.

Bunnynose--I hope you end up liking it if you get it!

[Toonces]

My head is spinning... I've heard/read really good things about Canon digital cameras, but I have no clue which one to get. For you Canon experts, what would you recommend - EOS or PowerShot, and which model? I'll be using it to take pics of my kids, vacations and other leisure activities. TIA!

ETA: The only requirement is that there's no delay between shots. I have a Fuji Finepix now and I have to wait forever in between shots while it gets itself in order again. Annoying.

[kedzieb]

I'm looking for an entry level DSLR under $1000. I'm a photo editor and I know a lot about the super-high-end models and I have a little Canon Elph I love for snapshots. It's the in between that's hard to figure out.

I'd like something that works well in low light, has little to no shutter lag & gets great shots. I'd prefer a camera that generates RAW files, but I'm flexible on that.

Any suggestions?

[snowzilla]

I'm looking for an entry level DSLR under $1000. I'm a photo editor and I know a lot about the super-high-end models and I have a little Canon Elph I love for snapshots. It's the in between that's hard to figure out.

I'd like something that works well in low light, has little to no shutter lag & gets great shots. I'd prefer a camera that generates RAW files, but I'm flexible on that.

Any suggestions?

A Canon Rebel (XTi) will probably fit the bill on all of those requirements. I'm not sure what you'll be paying because I'm in Canada and the exchange rate screws things up, of course. The nice thing about the Rebel is that you can learn the DSLR in and out, and still use any lenses and most accessories on future Canon DSLRs should you ever choose to upgrade. I don't use a Rebel now, but I did have an original (300D, as opposed to the 350D and 400D) and I was very happy with it. No lag, shoots in raw, shot fairly well in low light (much, much better than the Nikon I traded in for it).

[kedzieb]

A Canon Rebel (XTi) will probably fit the bill on all of those requirements. I'm not sure what you'll be paying because I'm in Canada and the exchange rate screws things up, of course. The nice thing about the Rebel is that you can learn the DSLR in and out, and still use any lenses and most accessories on future Canon DSLRs should you ever choose to upgrade. I don't use a Rebel now, but I did have an original (300D, as opposed to the 350D and 400D) and I was very happy with it. No lag, shoots in raw, shot fairly well in low light (much, much better than the Nikon I traded in for it).

Yes - I'm leaning towrd that one. I've also heard good things about the Pentax. Gah - I should just go to B&H and have them figure out what I should buy.

[Toonces]

Snow ~ What do you think of the Canon A640 (http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=183&modelid=14109)? It has a 4.0 optical zoom - do you think that's high enough? I'm thinking that under $300 for 10mp Canon is a good deal regardless.

[kamileer]

I've searched through the photography threads and most of them were pretty active before the D40x was put on the market. So I am sorry if this question has been asked before (I couldn't find it!).

I am agonizing over the decision of what DSLR to buy. I know I can't go wrong with either of these, but cannot seem to decide either.

At this time, all I can afford is the kit lens with either camera. I do plan on exploring other lenses in the future.

If you own either of these cameras, which did you buy and WHY???

Are you happy with your choice?

TIA!!!!

ETA: The purpose of this camera is to take better photographs (mainly of DD). I am not looking to become a professional photographer, however, I want to find the very best that my budget will allow!

[Hello Kitty]

Quite happy with XTI, but have never set hand on a nikon

[snowzilla]

I've owned both Nikons and Canons, and my vote is for Canon. However, if you talk to a now-Nikon owner, they'll say quite the opposite. I don't think there's really a wrong answer. I switched from Nikon to Canon because I was really disappointed in the low light results I was getting with my Nikon. Since going with Canon three years ago, I haven't looked back.

But again, I really don't think there's a wrong answer for you. :) I've read a lot of comparisons and it seems to be a very even playing field - some articles will lean towards Nikon, and others towards Canon. In the end, I'd go into a camera store, pick them both up and feel them. See which one you like better in your hands, which one feels more natural.

[ash313]

I am agonizing over the decision of what DSLR to buy me too! I am so glad you posted this!

The guy I spoke to at Wolff Camera said Nikon for sure but I want to get other opinions. I am also trying to decide if I need to go up to the D40X or if the D40 would be a good option for me.

I am curious to see what the others have to say...

[lil_geek]

Honestly go play with the cameras. They FEEL very different. But in the photography course I took, the instructor said that the results are really nearly indistinguisable.

Also, he said unless you are pro... you really are going to shoot great pics with the kit lenses and unless you have some more specific needs, not to worry about getting a new lense.


That said, I have the Cannon (xt, not xti). I have had a bunch of Canons and great luck. Also, I like the smaller feel of the cannons. But lots of people like the nikon because the canon feels to small and light.

(and yes, people are strangly over attached to their camera brand! So take everyhting you read with a grain of salt!)

[Fenway]

I have the Canon. I love it, but after playing with the Nikon, I find that the Nikon auto-focuses much faster.

[snowzilla]

I sat next to a guy in a couple of my photography classes who shoots Nikon - and his photos were freaking fantastic. I also have a friend who shoots Pentax (the underdog!) and his photos are amazing - better than anything I've ever taken with my Canon.

I totally agree with lil_geek about going and testing cameras in-store.

[summerbaby]

I second lil_geek. Go play with both cameras. Both are great cameras but the Canon just felt so much better in my hands than the Nikon. I love my Xti! Have fun!

[kamileer]

I went to 2 camera shops and both salespeople pointed me straight to the Nikons (eventhough they both sold Canons...not sure why that was but it struck me as odd that they didn't sell me the pros and cons of each).

I'm sure the 40x would have plenty of features for me, but there are some things the Xti has that the 40x doesn't (many more focus points, for one...also you can add an additional battery pack which is nice...oh and it includes many of the extras you have to buy seperately from Nikon...raw conversion software..USB cable...I think).

Of course the extra Xti features is making me feel like I should just take the plunge and get the Nikon D80 (which seems to have it ALL!!!). But then I look at the price tag ($1000 for the camera and kit lens alone) and want to pass out!

I've looked at both cameras up close and I have to say that the Nikon does feel better in my hands (the D80 especially...I have rather large hands for a woman) and I like the colors of the photos I have seen better. I just read some review that pointed out Nikon's colors as being over saturated, but I personally like that vivid color look I feel is missing in many of the Xti photos I have seen. Of course photos can be "popped" in an editing software, but I would rather they be vivid right from the get go.

I change my mind on which of these to purchase every single day.

I know I can't go wrong with any of them (the salesman seemed so annoyed with me that he told me to flip a coin), but I also want to make the right decision.

It is maddening!

Thanks for the input everyone. This is all really helpful.

[kamileer]

This is a spin off from the Nikon D40x vs Canon Xti thread I posted yesterday.

I've researched myself silly on this topic.

It seems that there are things I really like about the Xti that the D40x doesn't have and there are things I really like about the D40x that the Xti doesn't have!

One camera, however, seems to have it all (almost). That's the Nikon D80.

But is that camera more camera than I need???

I am not looking to become a professional photographer. I have always had an interest in photography and want to be able to take better photos, mainly of my family. I don't plan on shooting sports or anything crazy. The most important feature for me is that it takes GREAT portraits.

I know I couldn't go wrong with the D80 but the price tag is staggering ($1000 for a camera is a lot of money to pay for something I won't be needing professionally).

Do any of you own this camera? I'd love to hear your thoughts.

I need to buy this thing (whichever one I decide) soon so I can stop thinking about it!!!!!

[GeekGirl]

I recently purchased a D80, and I love it!! The price tag is quite steep, but it's worth every penny. I purchased mine in a bundle off of eBay - you might want to check there, I guarantee you'll save a couple hundred dollars.

[kamileer]

GeekGirl - Which seller did you buy from? I am so scared to make such a big purchase over ebay.

[camberne]

I've had the D70 for several years now and I adore it. Even if I didn't do anything professionally (which I haven't in some time now, but I do occasionally), I'd still recommend it... and, by extension, the D80. The pictures are spectacular!

[meganth]

I have the D70 and i love it. I wouldn't really consider it to be a professional camera (at least not compared to my hubbys D2) - maybe entry level professional. It's a great camera and if you know how to use a camera then it should be exactly what you need.

[kamileer]

I couldn't take the indecision one more second so I went with the Nikon D40x. The price was right (DH about had a heart attack regardless) and I can always sell and upgrade in the future if it comes to that. But I think I'm gonna be really happy!

[young lioness]

I agree with the others who have posted. DH got his D70 a year or more ago and it seems to be just enough camera for a serious hobbyist/beginning professional.

My best friend is planning to go to art school for photography next year and she got a D80 after "test driving" DH's D70 for a week.

[ash313]

Can I ask where you got it from? I think this is one I am leaning towards as well. I am debating the D40 and the D40x.

[kamileer]

I bought it online through Beach Camera. Free shipping and the best price I could find from a respected dealer.

[kamileer]

In the end I went with the D40x. It is a rather huge purchase money wise and I think it will be just fine for my needs. I finally realized that it is just a camera, it isn't a life sentence. I can always upgrade. But I will say that if budget wasn't an option, the D80 just made me DROOL!

[ash313]

Yep. I saw that but I had never heard of them. I was thinking of ordering it from them too. Thanks!

[kamileer]

My order came in record time. I ordered on Sat night and it came via Fed Ex (FREE SHIPPING) this afternoon (tues). I couldn't believe it!!! They did forget to include the free 1 GB SD card, but are sending it in the mail. The sucky part is that I can't wait that long. I am DYING to try it. So off to Circuit City I go to buy another SD card. That's my only complaint. Otherwise, I couldn't have asked for more. :)

[Katy]

if you think the D80 is nice, you should see (and feel) the D200! Talk about heavenly! It takes amazing pictures and is nice and light.

As for SD cards, be sure to check around for the best deal. My husband has about 4-6 cards (he shoots raw) and he always got a great deal on them. His latest SD toys are cards with the USB drive built right in. Super handy (and makes me want to upgrade!)

[cynder]

I lurve my D80. After owning for about 6 months, I am finally reading the manual. I shoot mostly in manual so I need to get better about know what to press instead of putzing around.

I have a SD card with USB drive built into it and it rocks!!!!! We just went on vacation with the camera and Powerbook and every night, I just slipped the card into the USB port to download. Goodbye card reader and cords!! My 2 GB was like $40 on Amazon. Planning on getting one more for backup.

kamileer Enjoy the D40. I've seen some amazing photos on it!

[ash313]

I just ordered my D40X yesterday. I went through Beach as well. I can't wait to get my little hands on that baby!

[JennW]

I'm in the market for a new digital camera. I have these two on my list. I currently have a Sony Cybershot and like that one as well. Anyone have either of the following? If so, do you like it? If not, which camera do you have?

http://images.panasonic.com/static/models/dmc-tz3k.jpg

Basics: DMC-TZ3K Lumix® 7.2-Megapixel Digital Camera with 10x Optical Zoom, MEGA Optical Image Stabilizer & High Sensitivity Mode

http://images.panasonic.com/static/models/dmc-fz8k.jpg
Details: DMC-FZ8K NEW! Lumix® 7.2-Megapixel Digital Camera with MEGA Optical Image Stabilizer, High Sensitivity Mode & 12x Optical Zoom, Black

[kamileer]

Just reporting in that I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE my Nikon D40x. It took amazing pics right out of the package on auto. Now I am learning all of the custom features. Worth every penney and I've only owned it a week so far!

[TrulyBlessed]

Just reporting in that I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE my Nikon D40x. It took amazing pics right out of the pack