Obama ’08 – Yes We Can

[pocket]

There is something happening when Americans who are young in age and in spirit - who have never before participated in politics - turn out in numbers we've never seen because they know in their hearts that this time must be different.

There is something happening when people vote not just for the party they belong to but the hopes they hold in common - that whether we are rich or poor; black or white; Latino or Asian; whether we hail from Iowa or New Hampshire, Nevada or South Carolina, we are ready to take this country in a fundamentally new direction. That is what's happening in America right now. Change is what's happening in America.

You can be the new majority who can lead this nation out of a long political darkness - Democrats, Independents and Republicans who are tired of the division and distraction that has clouded Washington; who know that we can disagree without being disagreeable; who understand that if we mobilize our voices to challenge the money and influence that's stood in our way and challenge ourselves to reach for something better, there's no problem we can't solve - no destiny we cannot fulfill.

Our new American majority can end the outrage of unaffordable, unavailable health care in our time. We can bring doctors and patients; workers and businesses, Democrats and Republicans together; and we can tell the drug and insurance industry that while they'll get a seat at the table, they don't get to buy every chair. Not this time. Not now.

Our new majority can end the tax breaks for corporations that ship our jobs overseas and put a middle-class tax cut into the pockets of the working Americans who deserve it. We can stop sending our children to schools with corridors of shame and start putting them on a pathway to success. We can stop talking about how great teachers are and start rewarding them for their greatness. We can do this with our new majority.

We can harness the ingenuity of farmers and scientists; citizens and entrepreneurs to free this nation from the tyranny of oil and save our planet from a point of no return.

And when I am President, we will end this war in Iraq and bring our troops home; we will finish the job against al Qaeda in Afghanistan; we will care for our veterans; we will restore our moral standing in the world; and we will never use 9/11 as a way to scare up votes, because it is not a tactic to win an election, it is a challenge that should unite America and the world against the common threats of the twenty-first century: terrorism and nuclear weapons; climate change and poverty; genocide and disease.

All of the candidates in this race share these goals. All have good ideas. And all are patriots who serve this country honorably. But the reason our campaign has always been different is because it's not just about what I will do as President, it's also about what you, the people who love this country, can do to change it. That's why tonight belongs to you. It belongs to the organizers and the volunteers and the staff who believed in our improbable journey and rallied so many others to join.

We know the battle ahead will be long, but always remember that no matter what obstacles stand in our way, nothing can withstand the power of millions of voices calling for change.

We have been told we cannot do this by a chorus of cynics who will only grow louder and more dissonant in the weeks to come. We've been asked to pause for a reality check. We've been warned against offering the people of this nation false hope.

But in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope. For when we have faced down impossible odds; when we've been told that we're not ready, or that we shouldn't try, or that we can't, generations of Americans have responded with a simple creed that sums up the spirit of a people.

Yes we can.

It was a creed written into the founding documents that declared the destiny of a nation.

Yes we can.

It was whispered by slaves and abolitionists as they blazed a trail toward freedom through the darkest of nights.

Yes we can.

It was sung by immigrants as they struck out from distant shores and pioneers who pushed westward against an unforgiving wilderness.

Yes we can.

It was the call of workers who organized; women who reached for the ballot; a President who chose the moon as our new frontier; and a King who took us to the mountaintop and pointed the way to the Promised Land.

Yes we can to justice and equality. Yes we can to opportunity and prosperity. Yes we can heal this nation. Yes we can repair this world. Yes we can.

Barack Obama, New Hampshire Primary Concession Speech

[pocket]

This is a continuation of the absolutley wonderful, intelligent and respectful thread for Obama supporters and debate that can be found here. (http://www.constantchatter.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39274)

[phoenics]

Awesome pocket! Thanx!

[kendriln]

I don't know what it is... but I can read that over and over again and still get chills.

[Adaya]

Yes We Can!

[jennylou]

Richardson has thrown his support behind Obama. :D

We are blessed to have two great American leaders and great Democrats running for President. My affection and admiration for Hillary Clinton and President Bill Clinton will never waver. It is time, however, for Democrats to stop fighting amongst ourselves and to prepare for the tough fight we will face against John McCain in the fall. The 1990's were a decade of peace and prosperity because of the competent and enlightened leadership of the Clinton administration, but it is now time for a new generation of leadership to lead America forward. Barack Obama will be a historic and a great President, who can bring us the change we so desperately need by bringing us together as a nation here at home and with our allies abroad.

[allyray231]

OK I am starting to get a bit worried here. Obama gave a radio interview and called his grandmothers fears of blacks that of a "typical white person" OK this is NOT going to win anyone over that was on the fence about him.

I just don't think at this point he is gonna be able to bet McCain.

[cosmic]

Oh, he can still beat John McCain. He needs the momentum of having the whole party behind him and he doesn't have that. Yet. ;) I just wish he could get out of this loop he's been forced into where he's always having to answer questions about race. It's to the point where I'M even tired of hearing about the Rev. Wright thing. I feel like, either people accept his explanation or they don't. It's all the other issues that endeared him to so many people. He's talking about those things, but the media only seems to listen when he talks about race.

~~~ Now onto TODAY'S news...lol. ~~~

So what do you guys think about the three State department workers who tapped into Obama's passport records? WTH

Also, former Clinton adminstrationeer Bill Richardson is endorsing Obama. Do you guys think this will help? I think we could be poised to regain momentum- IF the media can end their love affair with the Rev. Wright clips.

[Delta]

We have a loooong 7+ months to go until the election. Anything could happen.

Think about this: Seven months ago would you have imagined Obama being the nominee over Hillary or McCain being the R nominee, period?

Seven months ago McCain's campaign was considered dead in the water. His campaign was broke, his long time advisor had quit, he was traveling coach, alone, in the middle seat to events.

Now look at what's happened. ;)

[allyray231]

Good point ladies good point. I just wish the Dems would stop pulling each other apart and get united!!

The passport thing is ODD. I guess it happened to Bill Clinton when he was running against Bush? I can't imagine these people just decided to look-seems like it has to be more then that

[cosmic]

True. Only with Obama it's happened three separate times since just the beginning of the year. The last time was just a week ago. Who knows what's up with that.

But let's not underestimate how much Republicans want Hillary to be the Dem nominee. It's downright funny to see them defending her on all the different channels. So we can't let conservatives tell Democrats how they should feel about Obama.

Also, don't forget that the Gallup poll out now was taken before Obama's latest speech. I'll bet he's inching back up now. (Not that national polls even matter right now! We should basically be ignoring them.) The American people have got to wise up and stop letting these "gotcha" tactics work in political elections. We really can say "not this time" if we want to. We're getting divided for the benefit of people who don't have our interests at heart. The television pundits treat politics like sports so they just LOVE a close fight, but the reality is:

-Obama is still in the lead when it comes to delegates.

-HRC would have to win something like 60-70% of the vote in the remaining primaries to close the gap.

-Florida and Michigan don't appear to be doing revotes. (This was Hillary's last hope, barring a major scandal. At this point, she's just poisoning them against Obama for the national election. :rolleyes: )

-Obama has just won the endorsement of a major player from the Clinton camp. New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson is calling Obama a "once-in-a- lifetime leader" who can unite the nation and restore America's international leadership.

-After a barrage of attacks from the Clintons and the Republicans, Obama hasn't really taken any big hits. 2 or 3 points here or there in the polls? That's nothing. Pennsylvania, a state that has always been expected to go to HRC, is having its primary in a few weeks. That's plenty of time for him to regain any ground lost- or more time for more attacks, whatever your point of view may be...lol.

[kd 9.21.02]

Snapped this as I got off the subway last night on my way to the gym & thought you all would appreciate it...

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b238/kedh/GreysPapaya.jpg?t=1206111468


*Gray's Papaya is somewhat of a landmark (if a hot dog shop can be a landmark) in NYC. (Did anyone see "Fools Rush In?")

[jennylou]

LOL, as soon as I saw "Gray's Papaya" I thought of Fools Rush In. ;)

[allyray231]

Aww that is great! I miss living in NYC!

[phoenics]

Can I just say I love you guys? I mean that honestly.

This week has been so hard on so many levels and it's so nice to have this place to come to where people actually try to understand. It's so interesting - we've been trying to tackle the race issue on issues here at CC long before this - sometimes I see this and mistakenly think the rest of the country does things like us - but I do think MUCH of the country is tired of the division too.

For me with Obama's speech - either you get it or you don't. Either you choose to hold onto offenses or you don't. Either you acknowledge the truth of what Obama said or you don't. At this point, if you don't - I'm sorry you won't be coming with us into the new future of Change.

I honestly believe that we can overcome the racial issues and socioeconomic issues that divide us and learn to work together for the benefit of our country and the world. But those issues have to be faced. Obama gave us a challenge and some will accept it and others (Hannity and o'Reilly) won't. Let's leave the haters where they belong and keep on talking about what we love about Obama to anyone who will listen.

People got behind Obama because he inspired us to hope for a better union. That's been his message all along. But like I said before...

"You wan't change? Well change COSTS. And RIGHT HERE is where you start paying... in sweat. Change! I'm gonna live forever..."

It's not going to be easy to address the racial issue - but it's never going to get better by ignoring it (which we've sort of been doing for the past 3 decades). All that does is widen the racial divide. One camp nurses their wounds and reacts in anger when the other people don't 'get it' and the other camp feels like they're being blamed for something they didn't do and something they believe they can't see (the power structure thing)... but we honestly do have all problems to solve. Big problems.. and we're not going to solve them until we unite.

The whole reason partisan politics have worked for so long is that people have trouble seeing past their own difficulties - thus hearing about another's just irritates you if you feel like you have to suffer through your difficulties while theirs are solved. This is what sleazy politicians have fed on for years. The only way out is to acknowledge the pain and difficulty on all sides and make a pledge to work through ALL of the issues.

Strengthening the links of society that have been wounded by society makes society BETTER.

[Red'sGirl]

Just remember this, just because HRC won the big states like CA and TX, her camp would have us believe that if Obama is the nominee, we'll lose those states to McCain. Bullsh*t. Obama was giving her a run for her money in TX and CA will be, and always remain, truly blue. So, WHEN he becomes the nominee, we don't lose the states that voted for HRC, those people will still be Democrats. Few people (at least before this last blast) actually dislike the man - they just chose HRC. Fair enough. But having HRC as a nominee would not force me into voting Republican. Doesn't work that way.

And as tired as we are about hearing of Rev. Wright, I would love for us to beat this horse now so we'll be sick to death of it come November. This is likely to be his biggest hit (knocking wood) and they shot it prematurely. He'll still get the nomination, and when the Republicans bring it back up, most people will roll their eyes and think "not this again". Those who don't "get it" now, won't get it then. Those who do, Dems and Reps alike, will be sick of it.

Love the Gray's Papaya sign. I walked by it a few weeks ago, but didn't see that.

[phoenics]

More about Hillary's so-called experience and tidbits from her calendar when Bill was President:

http://deepbackground.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/19/786127.aspx

I read a blow by blow somewhere where her claims of experience were completely debunked... on one occasion where she claims she was instrumental in peace talks or something, she arrived the DAY AFTER the peace treaties had already been signed!

I think it was on Huffpo - I have to go look for it.

[Dally]

The passport files of all three major candidates were breached, not just Obama:WASHINGTON - The passport files of the three presidential candidates — Sens. Barack Obama, Hillary Rodham Clinton and John McCain — have been breached, the State Department said Friday.

Source: MSNBC (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23736254/)

[phoenics]

The passport files of all three major candidates were breached, not just Obama:
Source: MSNBC (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23736254/)

But only Obama's were breached THREE times.

[Dally]

One or three, I still think it's awful that it happened to any and of all the political candidates (and Bill Clinton back in the day). I hope the investigation turns up some answers.

[katmg]

just because HRC won the big states like CA and TX,

Hey now, she hasn't 'won' Texas yet! We're still counting the caucus votes which should at least pull Obama even on delegates if not ahead in TX. :)

[Red'sGirl]

Oh right! Go Texas! (what's taking you so long? :)) See, I was in TX all last week and was feeling a tad salty because he didn't win (and yet I saw all these signs for him). Then again, there are Obama signs all over my neighborhood and I always think "where were you all when WE were voting?". :rolleyes:

[phoenics]

I know this is slightly dead - but this is Wright's entire speech about 9/11. Apparently a white Ambassador in speaking about 9/11 first made the comment referring to Malcolm X's 'chickens' response.

The entire sermon is about what our response should have been... and the idea that violence only begets more violence.

I think this whole thing has been blown so far out of proportion that it's really sad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ

and the other one in full context:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvMbeVQj6Lw&feature=related

[nylons73]

This whole 'grandmother' controversy is such a right wing talking point.

Obama actually said (in the radio interview) that he didn't believe that his grandmother harbored racial animosity. He said that as a typical white woman, she had a fear of 'others' ingrained in her and that she would cross the street if someone she didn't know was passing her.

Right wing radio, Faux News and others (sadly CNN and MSNBC are also complicit in this) have been pushing the story all day that Obama thinks a 'typical white person' is a racist. Obama didn't even call his grandmother a racist. All he said is that all people have fears and that many many white people have instictional fears of the 'other'.

Should he have used the word 'typical.' No. Was he saying that he believes all whites are racist? Absolutely not.

I think the biggest worry is that Faux News will push this soundbite and push it and push it. Sadly, Obama is going to have to come out and once again explain that although he is black, he is not a black panther. sigh :(

In other news....GO BILL RICHARDSON! When I heard about his endorsement I actually said outloud "Thank you God." I guess I am that starved for good news lately. I hope Richardson campaigns with Obama every single freakin' day in Penn!

[phoenics]

Faux News is basically a lynchmob - literally.

[nylons73]

Phoenics - It's hard to disagree with you sometimes. ;)

However, I just went over to www.wonkette.com and someone has posted a video of Chris Wallace (Fox anchor) appearing on the Fox Morning show and BLASTING the anchors for misrepresenting Obama's grandma comments. It was BEAUTIFUL! I can't believe I am typing this but...Chris Wallace Rocks! (just for today mind you. heh heh)

Also, I have had it with Bill Clinton. He said today (and I saw it myself just now on MSNBC) that it would be great if Hillary could run against John McCain because then we would have two people running 'Who love their country."

WTF Bill? Have you NO SHAME AT ALL? Oh wait....I should have known that about you after South Carolina.

ETA: Mark Penn (Hillary's donut-eating strategist who has run such an awesome campaign for her) said today on the Hillary conference call that Bill Richardson's endorsement of Obama is "not a significant endorsement in this environment."

Um yeah, because Richardson is former Energy Sec., Ambassador to the U.N. and the nation's only Latino governor. But yeah, it's the Hillary campaign so I guess Richardson is now........INSIGNIFICANT! ( Just like Caucuses, latte drinkers, and "rich people" who "don't really need a president but just like to vote." )

[phoenics]

awesome post nylons73.

I saw the Fox News clips and was pretty impressed with Chris Wallace. I think it's shameful what that network is doing and has been doing. It'd be nice to see it implode on itself. I heard their ratings had plummeted.

Of course, CNN seems to be going more negative now - I've switched to MSNBC. Whatever happened to unbiased NEWS?

Bill Clinton PLEASE keep it up. You'll just piss off undecideds in favor of Obama. Americans LOVE the underdog and making it sound like Obama is the underdog will just spur more to vote for him... especially Democrats who understand the cesspool that is Faux News.

And goooooooooooo Richardson. I need to go listen to his endorsement.

[phoenics]

OMGosh - look at this... the little girl filmed in the Hillary Clinton 3am ad speaks out against the 3am ad...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXmYVRIpu2w&feature=user

Wow. That's so interesting.

[cosmic]

Absolutely fabulous clip from Faux Snooze!
Thanks for that, nylons. I'll be sharing it with the hubby tonight. Hopefully Wonkette won't be forced to take it down before then.

[nylons73]

Absolutely fabulous clip from Faux Noose!
Thanks for that, nylons. I'll be sharing it with the hubby tonight. Hopefully Wonkette won't be forced to take it down before then.

Hey Cosmic and Phoenics :)

Don't worry about Wonkette. After I posted, I went over to Talking Points Memo http://talkingpointsmemo.com/ and it's on their front page. Titled - "An Unlikely Messenger." :) Hubby won't have to worry. :) Also..."Mayhem at Fox News" as touted by the Huffington Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/21/mayhem-at-fox-news-ancho_n_92743.html

Keep the faith. There IS pushback from the media (on other media) about pushing this 'typical white woman' story. Another example = Last night, I taped Anderson Cooper (remind me never to do this again) while watching Olbermann's special coverage of 'passport-gate.' At any rate, when I went back to watch AC 360, I saw that even CNN is pushing this 'white woman' quote. However, when Anderson Cooper tried to get the panel to discuss it with him, David Gergen, Carl Bernstein (of Watergate fame) and Roland Martin all basically shamed him and told him that they were ashamed that CNN was even talking about this story. Bernstein even called it "bottom of the barrell political reporting." I swear - it was awesome! All Anderson could do is stutter and say um, um, um. It was great!

Note to all Obama supporters - only watch MSNBC. I am serious. CNN = Clinton News Network and Fox = Hillary and McCain network. I find it hilarious (when I do stumble over to CNN) that John King is STILL trying, every night, to get his 'computer map' of the delegates to come out in Hillary's favor. Even though every time he tries, she NEVER comes out with more delegates. Every time, King is forced to say something like "You see, she's really close now" even though his "scenarios" eventually leave HRC 100+ delegates behind. It would almost be comedic if this whole thing wasn't about the next leader of the free world.

Kudos to the brave ones in the media who are standing up and let us all remember to try to stand up for Obama in our daily lives. As the (surprisingly rational) sports guy on that stupid Fox show said (after the Wallace interview) Obama is not a 'reverse racist.' He's HALF WHITE!

[Niobe]

The Clinton Myth (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9149.html)

One big fact has largely been lost in the recent coverage of the Democratic presidential race: Hillary Rodham Clinton has virtually no chance of winning.

Her own campaign acknowledges there is no way that she will finish ahead in pledged delegates. That means the only way she wins is if Democratic superdelegates are ready to risk a backlash of historic proportions from the party’s most reliable constituency.

Unless Clinton is able to at least win the primary popular vote — which also would take nothing less than an electoral miracle — and use that achievement to pressure superdelegates, she has only one scenario for victory. An African-American opponent and his backers would be told that, even though he won the contest with voters, the prize is going to someone else.

People who think that scenario is even remotely likely are living on another planet.

I think that pretty well sums it up. Obama gets the nomination, or the Democratic Party commits political suicide. :cool:

[miel]

Wow, great! We have a new thread...

This is the thing that's been driving me crazy Niobe...people act like Obama and Clinton are tied or something. It's just strange. The media thirsts for the contest because it makes the stories easy to write or something.

Um, Obama's got an almost insurmountable lead. People really write columns as if Hillary is winning. I don't have an examples here but they are constantly being written.

[cosmic]

Just. last. night. TV news started reporting that Hillary has NO chance of catching Obama in delegates. It's been the truth for weeks, so what took them so long??? And even then they reported it as some kind of controversial thing to say. :rolleyes:

Of course she can still try to use polls, etc. to try to convince Superdelegates to go against the will of the people. But if she were successful, the "Democratic" party would be finished.

And then there are these national polls, which there's no point to. While the primaries are still going on, all politics is local. National surveys only matter once the dems pick a nominee.

[nylons73]

Just. last. night. TV news started reporting that Hillary has NO chance of catching Obama in delegates. It's been the truth for weeks, so what took them so long??? And even then they reported it as some kind of controversial thing to say. :rolleyes:

Of course she can still try to use polls, etc. to try to convince Superdelegates to go against the will of the people. But if she were successful, the "Democratic" party would be finished.

And then there are these national polls, which there's no point to. While the primaries are still going on, all politics is local. National surveys only matter once the dems pick a nominee.

I think the Richardson thing is huge! Not that Richardson is going to pull tons of votes, but I think he sends a giant signal to superdelegates (some of whom may owe something to the Clintons) that it's ok to come out and endorse Obama if that's what they want to do. What you can say about Richardson is that he's got nerve! No one else running this year was perhaps as personally close to the Clintons as Bill Richardson.

Of course Clinton's "ace-strategist" ;) Mark Penn has already called Richardson's endorsement "insignificant in this environment," and yet, in today's New York Times, James Carville calls Richardson "Judas." http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/22/03826/1501/94/481982

Wait - if Richardson is Judas - then what is Hillary? Jesus? Seriously! ;)

[msnicolea]

I've historically been a fan of Carville's--I like his "no nonsense" brand of talk-but that is one of the most ridiculous, offensive things I have read this election season--and that is saying something.

[cocopops]

I just saw Obama today in Medford, Oregon!!! :D :D :D

[cosmic]

Good for you, Cocopops! :)

BTW, the new Gallup poll shows Obama recapturing his lead over Clinton--> http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/03/gallup-obama-re.html Just to show that Gallup is all over the place...lol.

[msnicolea]

I've been feeling this sense of desparation recently--like he HAS to win, or I really don't know what Im going to do with myself. Seriously--this election is going to push me over the edge!!!

[young lioness]

I've been feeling this sense of desparation recently--like he HAS to win, or I really don't know what Im going to do with myself. Seriously--this election is going to push me over the edge!!!

I agree...and I felt that way in 2004 too. I feel like I need this win to regain my faith in politics and in the decision-making ability of the American people.

[JustVita]

Thanks Phoenics for posting those links to Rev. Wrights speeches in context.

[allyray231]

I've been feeling this sense of desparation recently--like he HAS to win, or I really don't know what Im going to do with myself. Seriously--this election is going to push me over the edge!!!

yup I agree

[phoenics]

I don't have time to look for the link right now, but apparently Sean Hannity was just outed on Fox over the weekend for being close with a Neo Nazi.

Right in the middle of a rant about Obama sitting in the pew for 20 years, the black panther he had on the show called him out and blasted him. All Hannity could do was stutter.

HA!

[allyray231]

Here it is

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/23/sean-hannity-confronted-o_n_92961.html

Hannity added, "What I don't think you're understanding here, Malik, is that when you hear the minister of him for 20 years, when you hear the associations with Louis Farrakhan, one of the biggest racists and anti-Semites in the country, what you're not understanding is, America hears extremism at its worst."

Shabazz responded, "Let me ask you this. Are you to be judged by your promotion and association with Hal Turner?"

Hannity waved his arm around. "I don't know anybody named - this is nonsense. I don't..." Then Hannity changed his tune. "Sir, sir... That was a man that was banned from my radio show ten years ago, that ran a Senate campaign in New Jersey."

Then, as Shabazz refused to stop talking or back down, Hannity, in a tacit admission, said, "I'm not running for president."

"A neo Nazi, you backed his career," Shabazz said.

Hannity answered, "That is an absolute, positive, lie and you've been reading the wrong websites..., my friend. Good try."

[nylons73]

Yay! (in response to Phoenics post above me :) )

Huffington Post has been pushing this story for the past few days! (the story that Hannity has this association)

I am hoping this gets picked up by Olbermann tonight. He's always willing to go after Faux News.

[phoenics]

Further down on the Huffington Post, Turner says they were well acquainted and talked about how Hannity gave him his private phone number to always call in and get his views heard on the radio talk show.

So - let's say that Hannity DOES have a close friendship or whatever with Turner. Well, his actions kinda lean in that direction - his constant and incessant Obama bashing (even before all this) kinda made me think he had some sort of agenda anyway.

Whereas Obama's message has been consistent throughout this election AND before that, irregardless of Wright.

To me, that's the difference. There's no need to paint Hannity with a neo-nazi brush, but you can paint him with the 'I have an agenda' brush and that brush doesn't work on Obama because of his decision to unify and never divide.

[nylons73]

Goofy new video that's making the rounds :
"Barack Obama-sistable" :)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kPLtotzqH0M

[KiKi'sMommy]

I've been feeling this sense of desparation recently--like he HAS to win, or I really don't know what Im going to do with myself. Seriously--this election is going to push me over the edge!!!

I think you summed up my feelings quite well. I have never felt like this about a presidential race. I REALLY REALLY want him to win! It is actually a nice feeling to be so excited about a candidate!

[kd 9.21.02]

I think you summed up my feelings quite well. I have never felt like this about a presidential race. I REALLY REALLY want him to win! It is actually a nice feeling to be so excited about a candidate!

Same here. I will cry if he doesn't win.

[jennylou]

I think you summed up my feelings quite well. I have never felt like this about a presidential race. I REALLY REALLY want him to win! It is actually a nice feeling to be so excited about a candidate!

I've never been this excited by a presedential candidate before...

[phoenics]

Same here. I will cry if he doesn't win.

I think I might have a bit of a meltdown if he doesn't win, lol. It's desperate for me too.

[coconut]

I've been feeling this sense of desparation recently--like he HAS to win, or I really don't know what Im going to do with myself. Seriously--this election is going to push me over the edge!!!

I completely agree. And I've heard quite a few die hard Republicans talking the same way around where I live. In fact they have said (the ones I've spoken to) that this is going to be the first election in their lives where they will vote Democrat. Which makes this election year extremely unique. They can't back McCain, and reeallllly don't want HRC, so they have said they don't know what they would do if it came between those two and no Obama. He so HAS to win!!!

[pocket]

I don't care anymore whether he wins or not. I am proud to support him even if he loses. I'd even support him as an independent candidate.

[msnicolea]

I don't really get how you can't care if he wins, pocket?!?!?! I am sincerely confused.

It's not about being proud to support him--I am very proud. It's about what will happen to our country in the hands of someone like McCain--as opposed to what could happen in Obama's hands!

[pocket]

It isn’t that I don’t want him to win. It’s that I am just feeling a lot more zen about it. I’m pretty sure he is going to win the nomination also the general election. I will do everything in my power to help that happen. Give him money, make phone calls, go door to door, talk to my friends and family about him etc. I guess I was more saying that I don’t feel anxious about whether or not he wins. I think he’s a great presidential candidate, but more than that, I feel like he has helped me to define my political views, and what I am looking for in a politician in a new way. He’s raised the bar for me.

[msnicolea]

OK--that makes sense to me. I wish I was feeling more Zen about it all!

[kd 9.21.02]

I wish I was feeling more Zen about it all!

I wish I could feel Zen about anything! I'm such a nut...

[phoenics]

OK--that makes sense to me. I wish I was feeling more Zen about it all!

Me too. I've gotten better about just praying about it and not worrying, but then someone like Hannity has to say something or people jump all over him for the 'typical' comment and I just get mad all over again.

[cosmic]

It's hard to believe that Faux Snooze is still rolling with the Rev. Wright/"Typical" thing every day. They are DETERMINED not to let people put it all in perspective. Honestly, you'd have to be living under the moss under the rock to have not heard the Wright tape yet. :rolleyes:

[phoenics]

It's hard to believe that Faux Snooze is still rolling with the Rev. Wright/"Typical" thing every day. They are DETERMINED not to let people put it all in perspective. Honestly, you'd have to be living under the moss under the rock to have not heard the Wright tape yet. :rolleyes:

I hope it backfires on them.

[cynder]

Well last Thursday, I was feeling a little down with all the hype and press 'Bama bashing and Wright hype. But then I had a baby on Friday and things seem to be back in Obama's favor :)

BTW- Can I tell you one of the best updates I have read since getting back from the hospital - the infamous overblown Clinton Bosnia event. It's not that political significant but I've been following that story for months and I love seeing HRC's account getting blown as pure fallacy. Yes, Obama lacks foreign experience but the things Clinton pushes as her to experience is not so strong.

[miel]

Cynder Congrats!!!

OK, it's funny to read about how everyone is feeling. A lot of times lately when I am stressed about my life I think about Obama as president and this cheers me up. I guess it's along the lines of: Maybe something good can really happen. I think politically I have been getting very cynical. I think if voters can see past all the media garbage--and voters really have surprised us so much this far--maybe things can change in this country.

That said, I could not believe the discussions I hear on the news. It's really amazing how debased and incapable of complex reasoning the media can be. I think there are pockets of reasonableness...I'm really hoping they pull us through.

For years, I have thought--why can't a politician just occasionally say something courageous or something people aren't expecting to hear? Or move past the focus group? With Kerry and Gore what we saw is them trying to be something they weren't. They were always trying to stretch to what they perceived as the middle--which was really the right--and it came across as insincere because it was insincere. It has always been easier for the right in a way because of the way that the media and the right have shaped political discourse since the eighties. Obama does actually say things that are not designed to instantly be palatable to every single voter but actually ask people to think once in a while about what they believe. Yes, he is a politician and yes, he does trod the careful path. But he also has some political courage. And people voted for him. So I'm with Pocket on that...it shows something important. Maybe Dean was really the groundbreaker here. I could not believe the hash the media made of Dean. And how people bought it. I guess that's one reason I really started to lose hope. But Obama shows something else is possible.

[allyray231]

BTW- Can I tell you one of the best updates I have read since getting back from the hospital - the infamous overblown Clinton Bosnia event. It's not that political significant but I've been following that story for months and I love seeing HRC's account getting blown as pure fallacy. Yes, Obama lacks foreign experience but the things Clinton pushes as her to experience is not so strong.


Oh yes this is one of my favs :)

[nylons73]

The Bosnia lie is now the TOP headline on Drudge! :p

Campaign Alert - If you have been thinking of donating to Barack, NOW might be a good time. Got this from the campaign just a few minutes ago...

Make a donation in any amount between now and 11:59 pm EDT on Monday, March 31st, and you could join Barack and three other supporters for an intimate dinner for five.

How am I going to tell hubby that I am giving, once again! ;)

[allyray231]

oh this has MADE my day :)

CNN

Clinton 'misspoke' about '96 Bosnia trip

WASHINGTON - Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign said she "misspoke" last week when saying she had landed under sniper fire during a trip to Bosnia as first lady in March 1996. She later characterized the episode as a "misstatement" and a "minor blip."

The Obama campaign suggested the statement was a deliberate exaggeration by Clinton, who often cites the goodwill trip with her daughter and several celebrities as an example of her foreign policy experience.

During a speech last Monday on Iraq, she said of the Bosnia trip: "I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base."

According to an Associated Press story at the time, Clinton was placed under no extraordinary risks on the trip. And one of her companions, comedian Sinbad, told The Washington Post he has no recollection either of the threat or reality of gunfire.

When asked Monday about the New York senator's remarks about the trip, Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson pointed to Clinton's written account of it in her book, "Living History," in which she described a shortened welcoming ceremony at Tuzla Air Base, Bosnia-Herzegovina.

"Due to reports of snipers in the hills around the airstrip, we were forced to cut short an event on the tarmac with local children, though we did have time to meet them and their teachers and to learn how hard they had worked during the war to continue classes in any safe spot they could find," Clinton wrote.

"That is what she wrote in her book," Wolfson said. "That is what she has said many, many times and on one occasion she misspoke."

Asked about the issue during a meeting with the Philadelphia Daily News' editorial board on Monday, Clinton said she "misspoke."

"I went to 80 countries, you know. I gave contemporaneous accounts, I wrote about a lot of this in my book. You know, I think that, a minor blip, you know, if I said something that, you know, I say a lot of things — millions of words a day — so if I misspoke, that was just a misstatement," she said.

A spokesman for rival Barack Obama's campaign questioned whether Clinton misspoke, saying her comments came in what appeared to be prepared remarks for the Iraq speech. His campaign's statement included a link to the speech on Clinton's campaign Web site with her account of running to the cars. Clinton's campaign said what is on the Web site is not the prepared text, but a transcript of her remarks, including comments before the speech in which she talked about the trip to Bosnia.

Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor said in a written statement that Clinton's Bosnia story "joins a growing list of instances in which Senator Clinton has exaggerated her role in foreign and domestic policymaking."

The Obama campaign statement also links to a CBS News video of the Bosnia trip posted on YouTube, which shows Clinton and her daughter, Chelsea, walking across the tarmac from a large cargo plane, smiling and waving, and stopping to shake hands with Bosnia's acting president and greet an 8-year-old girl.

"This is something that the Obama campaign wants to push 'cause they have nothing positive to say about their candidate," Wolfson said Monday.

Clinton's written account contradicts her comments last Monday about the welcoming ceremony.

Just after the speech, Clinton reaffirmed the account of running from the plane to the cars when she was asked about it during a news conference. She said was moved into the cockpit of the C-17 cargo plane as they were flying into Tuzla Air Base.

"Everyone else was told to sit on their bulletproof vests," Clinton said. "And we came in, in an evasive maneuver. ... There was no greeting ceremony, and we basically were told to run to our cars. Now, that is what happened."

Former Army Secretary Togo West, who accompanied Clinton to Bosnia, said he was not surprised "that there could be confusion" when someone who has taken a number of trips tries to recall details of a particular trip 12 years earlier.

"The important thing is that she was there. Our soldiers saw she was there and heard her and knew that our country cared about them and what they were doing," West told the AP during a telephone interview.

[nylons73]

RE: Bosnia

The BEST part about Clinton's response last night was when she was talking about meeting the eight year old girl and she said something like "I heard there was an eight year old girl and I couldn't walk past her, so I went and I took her stuff and left."

"I took her stuff and left?" Did she rob the 8 year old girl? ha ha ha ha Seriously, I was laughing out loud at that explanation.

All accounts have Hillary and Chelsea standing and listening to the 8 year old girl recite a poem about peace. No running and no "taking her stuff and leaving." :rolleyes:

[cosmic]

Just more proof that Obama does not lack foreign policy experience compared to HRC. Hillary isn't more experienced on foreign policy, she's just well-travelled! And I wish Democrats would stop letting Republicans get away with the lie that John McCain has tons of foreign policy experience. There's only so much of it that a senator can have. If you haven't been president or a high ranking federal official, you can't claim presidential-level experience.

[kd 9.21.02]

Calling HRC out... Op-ed from today's NY Times, The Long Defeat (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/25/opinion/25brooks.html?th&emc=th)

The Long Defeat
Op-Ed Columnist
By DAVID BROOKS
March 25, 2008

Hillary Clinton may not realize it yet, but she's just endured one of the worst weeks of her campaign.

First, Barack Obama weathered the Rev. Jeremiah Wright affair without serious damage to his nomination prospects. Obama still holds a tiny lead among Democrats nationally in the Gallup tracking poll, just as he did before this whole affair blew up.

Second, Obama’s lawyers successfully prevented re-votes in Florida and Michigan. That means it would be virtually impossible for Clinton to take a lead in either elected delegates or total primary votes.

Third, as Noam Scheiber of The New Republic has reported, most superdelegates have accepted Nancy Pelosi’s judgment that the winner of the elected delegates should get the nomination. Instead of lining up behind Clinton, they’re drifting away. Her lead among them has shrunk by about 60 in the past month, according to Avi Zenilman of Politico.com.

In short, Hillary Clinton’s presidential prospects continue to dim. The door is closing. Night is coming. The end, however, is not near.

Last week, an important Clinton adviser told Jim VandeHei and Mike Allen (also of Politico) that Clinton had no more than a 10 percent chance of getting the nomination. Now, she’s probably down to a 5 percent chance.

Five percent.

Let’s take a look at what she’s going to put her party through for the sake of that 5 percent chance: The Democratic Party is probably going to have to endure another three months of daily sniping. For another three months, we’ll have the Carvilles likening the Obamaites to Judas and former generals accusing Clintonites of McCarthyism. For three months, we’ll have the daily round of résumé padding and sulfurous conference calls. We’ll have campaign aides blurting “blue dress� and only-because-he’s-black references as they let slip their private contempt.

For three more months (maybe more!) the campaign will proceed along in its Verdun-like pattern. There will be a steady rifle fire of character assassination from the underlings, interrupted by the occasional firestorm of artillery when the contest touches upon race, gender or patriotism. The policy debates between the two have been long exhausted, so the only way to get the public really engaged is by poking some raw national wound.

For the sake of that 5 percent, this will be the sourest spring. About a fifth of Clinton and Obama supporters now say they wouldn’t vote for the other candidate in the general election. Meanwhile, on the other side, voters get an unobstructed view of the Republican nominee. John McCain’s approval ratings have soared 11 points. He is now viewed positively by 67 percent of Americans. A month ago, McCain was losing to Obama among independents by double digits in a general election matchup. Now McCain has a lead among this group.

For three more months, Clinton is likely to hurt Obama even more against McCain, without hurting him against herself. And all this is happening so she can preserve that 5 percent chance.

When you step back and think about it, she is amazing. She possesses the audacity of hopelessness.

Why does she go on like this? Does Clinton privately believe that Obama is so incompetent that only she can deliver the policies they both support? Is she simply selfish, and willing to put her party through agony for the sake of her slender chance? Are leading Democrats so narcissistic that they would create bitter stagnation even if they were granted one-party rule?

The better answer is that Clinton’s long rear-guard action is the logical extension of her relentlessly political life.

For nearly 20 years, she has been encased in the apparatus of political celebrity. Look at her schedule as first lady and ever since. Think of the thousands of staged events, the tens of thousands of times she has pretended to be delighted to see someone she doesn’t know, the hundreds of thousands times she has recited empty clichés and exhortatory banalities, the millions of photos she has posed for in which she is supposed to appear empathetic or tough, the billions of politically opportune half-truths that have bounced around her head.

No wonder the Clinton campaign feels impersonal. It’s like a machine for the production of politics. It plows ahead from event to event following its own iron logic. The only question is whether Clinton herself can step outside the apparatus long enough to turn it off and withdraw voluntarily or whether she will force the rest of her party to intervene and jam the gears.

If she does the former, she would surprise everybody with a display of self-sacrifice. Her campaign would cruise along at a lower register until North Carolina, then use that as an occasion to withdraw. If she does not, she would soldier on doggedly, taking down as many allies as necessary.

[cosmic]

I was just coming back to post that article! :)

Too funny when David Brooks says HRC possesses the audacity of hopelessness. lol. He's going to get thrown out of the GOP. They want her to win the nomination SO bad.

[nylons73]

Obama girl is back!

This video is all about "Hillary Please Stop the Attacks!" It's pretty hilarious! There's even a sax solo from Bill Clinton (I'll let you see that for yourself!) :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axxooGIgOKs

[pocket]

David Brooks has always been one of my guilty pleasures. I don't know about 5%, but yeah her chances are pretty low. I am very sure that she won't drop out before PA though. She's from Scranton.

[nylons73]

David Brooks has always been one of my guilty pleasures. I don't know about 5%, but yeah her chances are pretty low. I am very sure that she won't drop out before PA though. She's from Scranton.

The only way she drops out before PA is if Gore, Pelosi, Biden, Reid, Edwards, and Jimmy Carter come out for Obama in the next two weeks. I don't ness. see that happening but both Pelosi and Reid have made strong 'pro-Obama' statements of late and Carter has gushed about him aud nauseum.

If these supers were all to come out (wouldn't that be neat if it were at one GIANT rally - ha ha) then it might signal to Hillary that the game is over. It at least would dominate the media narrative for weeks!

[pocket]

I think she is holding out for Senate Majority Leader and will drop out on condition that she becomes SML in the next Congress. I am fine with that. I think she'd be a good SML.

[kd 9.21.02]

Carter has gushed about him aud nauseum.

I saw an interview w/ Carter about this. He's a big fan (as is his whole family) but Carter won't officially endorse anyone, right? My husband suggested this is because Carter wants to secure the support of the next prez (whomever it may be) for his programs.

[meganth]

When i read about Bosnia this morning this is the one line that really stuck with me:

I say a lot of things — millions of words a day — so if I misspoke, that was just a misstatement," she said.

Really? So that makes lying ok?

[nylons73]

Well folks, we're back on another rollercoaster ride today....

Hillary's getting battered around in the press today so she went to the editorial board of a Pittsburgh Paper and spoke about how SHE would not have stayed in Rev. Wright's church!

Thanks Hillary for being silent on this for 11 days and ~just now~ deciding to comment on this. http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/breaking/s_558930.html

This has been picked up by the LA Times, New York Times, MSNBC, etc...

Hold on...it's going to be a bumpy ride! :(

ETA: In a more humorous aspect of the interview.....she blamed her 'sniper fire' comments on sleep deprevation

[cynder]

Umm... was she sleep deprived back in Jan with this interview?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ddgom0QWvLs

[phoenics]

Well folks, we're back on another rollercoaster ride today....

Hillary's getting battered around in the press today so she went to the editorial board of a Pittsburgh Paper and spoke about how SHE would not have stayed in Rev. Wright's church!

Hillary just makes me tired.


Thanks Hillary for being silent on this for 11 days and ~just now~ deciding to comment on this. http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/breaking/s_558930.html

This has been picked up by the LA Times, New York Times, MSNBC, etc...

Hold on...it's going to be a bumpy ride! :(

ETA: In a more humorous aspect of the interview.....she blamed her 'sniper fire' comments on sleep deprevation

Yeah - whatever.

[miel]

OK, you are going to think I'm crazy but there are literally hundreds of studies that involve memory and how memory is extremely faulty for everyone. I think she misremembered. But she can't say that because it sounds like she is not sharp. However, everyone misremembers life events--especially ones charged with emotions. What is weird is that your memories are so real to you.

I know it seems like she lied but really I think she did not. I think it was long enough ago that she created a false memory--which we are all creating, constantly. Sorry I don't have time to find the links. But a lot of stuff you are sure happened to you did not happen the way you think it did.

I guess I always react to these things because I hate this part of politics. I hate it when the whole idea is to 'nail' someone. It's just bad politics. I wish that would stop. Now, I think we may benefit from it but in general I would be happy if it was not a tactic.

[Adaya]

Hillary and her whole "I misspoke" thing really works my nerves. I'll give anyone a pass that they misspoke or said the wrong thing because of faulty memory. But the thing that gets me is that she wrote about it in her book. How can you misspeak or miswrite and publish a whole account of this trip to Bosnia in a book? How do you misspeak about an entire trip? It's not like she got the cities she visited wrong or how many people's hands she shook or the age of that little girl she talked to. I can see screwing up your words or forgetting dates of trips and things like that, but to talk about this trip a number of times in public and then to write about in your autobiography sounds more like a slip to me.

Also, I'm really aggravated with her for picking up on this Wright story and saying that she wouldn't have kept him as her pastor. Yeah, yeah, yeah....anything to take the focus off of her and her recent drama. I'm not sure she can talk about anyone's decision-making regarding who they choose to have in their life or not. I'm pretty sure many folks are thinking they wouldn't have kept a spouse like Bill Clinton around. So before she starts digging in someone else's backyard, she ought to keep her feet in her own. Get off your moral soapbox Hill.

[Niobe]

Um, isn't Bill Clinton friends with Wright?

[miel]

How do you misspeak about an entire trip?

I know it seems strange but people do this all the time. This is why eyewitness testimony isn't really reliable even though people don't realize that. Memories are not reliable.

Anyway, turnabout is fair play. I'm not saying she doesn't deserve to get nailed. She has played every game in the book and if she gets hit, I won't cry a river for her. (I tried to load that sentence with as many cliches as possible.)

She needs to give up now. I do see the urgency. SML would be great. SML. Yeah. But I heard another theory which is: If McCain wins then the Clintons still control the party and Hillary will think she has another shot next time. This seems like a better theory, given what we know about them.

[JustVita]

What strikes me most about this Bosnia misquote is that I don't care how long ago it was, ordinary people (in light of the fact she's not in the military where maybe during war gunfire is common, she's ordinary), do not forget shots or having to run to cars under cover. Please! Not only that, but would you expose your child, only child at that, to that type of danger? You couldn't have paid me to get off that plane with there being the risk of sniper fire if I'd had my daughter with me. You just don't forget or confuse things like this unless it's commonplace for you and there are many events like this to confuse, i.e. war or some other type of hostile conflict. :rolleyes:

I really just can't stand her.

[kendriln]

I agree with miel that people misremember things all of the time. And I guess I would be more inclined to lean towards the benefit of the doubt if it weren't this candidate and this didn't often seem to happen in the realm of foreign policy and her experience.

Hillary's running on a platform of experience which Obama challenges. The thing is, HRC does have 35 years of experience in health care reform, education reform, children's rights, the armed forces committee, First Lady, etc. What I can't figure out is if you feel so strongly about your 35 years... why exaggerate? It strikes me less that she misremembered and more that she's trying to beef up her experience because even she doesn't feel good about it.

Rather than say you brought peace to Ireland, just say you traveled to the region often and urged peace. Don't say you negotiated open borders for refugees from Kosovo. Don't talk about sniper fire and running for cover when I'm pretty sure a plane with the First Lady and her daughter would never have landed where there was fire, let alone let them off the plane to run for cover.

C'mon HRC -- do better!

[JustVita]

I agree that people misremember things all the time, just not with respect to things like gunfire, running to cars under cover, being in a dangerous environment with your minor child, etc. It's the particular circumstances of this situation that strike me as hard to confuse or forget or whatever. Not only that, did she arrive in some other region under sniper fire with Chelsea in tow? In other words, did this maybe happen somewhere else and Bosnia (the location) is what she's confused about or did she just think she was under sniper fire, but in fact, never was...anywhere.

[miel]

I really just can't stand her.

I guess I feel similarly but I also see that she has some virtues. Her liabilities far outweigh her virtues. In fact, she makes me very angry because I believe she often knew what was at stake and sold those principles down the river. And still would. Unless she is just such a hack. But I can't believe that, I guess.

OK, negotiation and compromise is always necessary. But the Clintons compromise almost everything.

Anyway, I don't like it when debates get bogged down in little screw ups like this. I don't like it when stories get kind of distorted or the person is getting called up on some technicality. I don't like it when that happens even to a politician I can't stand because I always wish people would stick to more serious issues. But this is how the game is played, I guess!

[Adaya]

I do understand that people misremember all the time. I'm just leaning more along the lines of what kendrilin and JustVita said about not remebering sniper fire and running for cover. How do you forget or confuse something like that? Not remembering is just too far of a reach for me. I clearly clearly remember my trip to Nicaragua back in 1990 when I was 15 years old. I remember hearing the gunshots in the mountains, and being afraid during the protest marches when those loud and smoky grenade-like things would pop off. I don't remember the food I ate or all the people I met, but I sure as heck remember that taste of fear and thinking that I've never been in any situation like this ever. I will never forget that.

And again, why would she take her only child, Chelsea, into this place where her husband "couldn't" go b/c it was too dangerous? Anyhoosy, I'm gonna leave it alone as HRC and many others think that it's okay to just fudge things. She clearly has 30-some years of political experience, but maybe not in the way that she has portrayed. The exaggerating is unnecessary.

[kd 9.21.02]

I'm not sure she can talk about anyone's decision-making regarding who they choose to have in their life or not. I'm pretty sure many folks are thinking they wouldn't have kept a spouse like Bill Clinton around. So before she starts digging in someone else's backyard, she ought to keep her feet in her own. Get off your moral soapbox Hill.

My thoughts exactly!

[cosmic]

Ugh... *shudder*

Hearing Hillary try to capitalize on the Rev. Wright thing, as if she's afraid that the furor might die down, might have turned me away from her for good. I just can't stomach this kind of politics for the rest of my life. If we have a chance to change it, we should. Seriously, for at least a few hours yesterday I became one of those people-- the ones who say they'll stay home if Hillary somehow finagles the nomination because they just can't bear to vote for her. Now that I've slept on it, I think my fear of endless war and Republican economics might allow me to hold my nose and go for it if I have to.

[kd 9.21.02]

Did you guys see this... ?

Lewinsky questioner surprised with Chelsea's response (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/26/lewinsky-questioner-surprised-with-chelseas-response/)

Chelsea ended her response by saying I do not think that is any of your business.

While it might make her uncomfortable and she'd rather not answer, I think she is incorrect in saying it's none of the public's business. As soon as Hillary decided to run for president, everything became our business (whether it's wrong or right). She is a public figure. Her husband was the president during this scandal. He was nearly impeached as a result. Why isn't it our business?

Maybe I'm just a little hot-headed on this... I'd like to hear other thoughts.

[gretazmama]

He was nearly impeached as a result.

He was impeached as a result.

[kd 9.21.02]

NYT Op-ed: Hillary or Nobody? (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/26/opinion/26dowd.html?th&emc=th)

I love the Tonya Harding comparison.

Or, as one Democrat described it to ABC’s Jake Tapper: Hillary is going for “the Tonya Harding option� — if she can’t get the gold, kneecap her rival.)

And this kind of makes me laugh...
And even Clinton supporters know that Bill does not want to be replaced as the first black president, especially by a black president with enough magic to possibly eclipse him in the history books.

[kd 9.21.02]

He was impeached as a result.

That's what I wanted to write but everytime I say it in those words when discussing it with friends/family, people say it's not true and he wasn't actually impeached and thrown out of office. I don't know the facts well enough to back up my argument. But I'm right... right? (Not in the above but when I say he WAS impeached?)

[Delta]

He was impeached but the Senate didn't convict.

Chelsea bugs. She certainly gets her sense of entitlement from her parents. I find it pretty interesting that the Clinton offspring is with a hedge fund while Jenna Bush is off working with Unicef, writing a book about a girl with AIDS and teaching in inner city schools and Barbara has worked with AIDS patients in Africa.

[kd 9.21.02]

Chelsea bugs. She certainly gets her sense of entitlement from her parents. I find it pretty interesting that the Clinton offspring is with a hedge fund while Jenna Bush is off working with Unicef, writing a book about a girl with AIDS and teaching in inner city schools and Barbara has worked with AIDS patients in Africa.

I was discussing the exact same thing with my husband last night. Chelsea seems to have this superiority complex going on and what is the girl doing? Working for a damn hedge fund!

[jennylou]

Did you guys see this... ?

Lewinsky questioner surprised with Chelsea's response (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/26/lewinsky-questioner-surprised-with-chelseas-response/)

Chelsea ended her response by saying I do not think that is any of your business.

While it might make her uncomfortable and she'd rather not answer, I think she is incorrect in saying it's none of the public's business. As soon as Hillary decided to run for president, everything became our business (whether it's wrong or right). She is a public figure. Her husband was the president during this scandal. He was nearly impeached as a result. Why isn't it our business?

Maybe I'm just a little hot-headed on this... I'd like to hear other thoughts.

Have you seen the clip? Chelsea really butchered the question:

Campaigning in Indianapolis for her mother, Chelsea Clinton had a quick retort when asked a question she had never had before. When a male student asked her if her mother's credibility had been hurt during the Monica Lewinsky scandal, Clinton quickly responded.

"Wow, you're the first person actually that's ever asked me that question, in the, maybe 70 college campuses that I've been to," Clinton bitterly said at Butler University. "And I don't think that's any of your business."

Um, why say it's none of our business? Why not say that no, you think your mom came through without her credibility affected (b/c really, it was daddy's credibility that was affected).

[Delta]

This reminded me of an article I read about her a few weeks ago:

http://nymag.com/news/features/44454/

The no-interview rule reflects her exquisite sense of Clintonian parsing, even as she fields all sorts of intrusive questions from the public in front of TV cameras. But she’s still not answering questions from reporters. After another of her town meetings, at a senior-citizen center in Salt Lake City, she marched right up to me with her hand extended. “Hi, I’m Chelsea,� she told me unnecessarily, listening politely with a poker face as I explained my presence.

“You’re really great at this stuff,� I ventured enthusiastically.

“Thank you,� she coolly replied. That was our first and last conversation.

That night at Weber State, as she was schmoozing admirers—including a young woman who gushed, “You’re gorgeous!�—Chelsea’s eyes flashed at me from ten feet away when I asked a traveling campaign aide if she had ever told the Grey’s Anatomy story before. “Her hearing is as good as her mother’s,� the aide advised with a laugh. Minutes later, I walked out of the student union with Chelsea’s entourage, several feet behind her, and she glared at the aide, who sprang up to confer, then deftly slowed me down. “She’s not used to having people in her space,� the aide explained. “By ‘people’ you mean ‘press’?� I asked. “Exactly.� Days later, when I attended several events in Wisconsin, Chelsea looked right through me.

I feel really weird talking about the kid of the candidate like this but I guess she is in her late 20s and out there campaigning so whatevs.

[Red'sGirl]

Despite the fact that I'm liking all things Clinton less and less, I will say that Chelsea has a good job, and shouldn't be talked down because of it. After all, the girl is smart, worked hard in school, and wasn't a partier - and her job reflects that. Writing a book and working with Unicef is great, but is it based on fame or is it based on hard work and intelligence? I mean, we usually scoff at the actress du jour who gets on TV for her "work" with UNICEF.

However, HRC was a woman I respected and admired. She reminded me of my mother, who also really liked her. My mom despises her now. The whole trajectory of her campaign has made me ill. I don't understand how she can sell out to this degree - enough to basically say "Vote for McCain if I don't win".

And Chelsea's wrong. The question wasn't asked thru immaturity, wasn't disrespectful, but was a thoughtful question that deserved her answer (at least her opinion). It wasn't based on a pleasant memory, but it's valid.

And WHY hasn't someone asked HRC why BILL is Rev. Wright's friend? Why hasn't Bill rejected and vilified Rev. Wright??

[allyray231]

Um, why say it's none of our business? Why not say that no, you think your mom came through without her credibility affected (b/c really, it was daddy's credibility that was affected).

Exactly


This is interesting

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/26/hillary-clinton-truth-or-consequences/#more-470

[Delta]

Despite the fact that I'm liking all things Clinton less and less, I will say that Chelsea has a good job, and shouldn't be talked down because of it. After all, the girl is smart, worked hard in school, and wasn't a partier - and her job reflects that. Writing a book and working with Unicef is great, but is it based on fame or is it based on hard work and intelligence? I mean, we usually scoff at the actress du jour who gets on TV for her "work" with UNICEF.Fame really has nothing to do with the humanitarian work and teaching in the inner city (relevant to the discussions we've had here of late) that the Bush twins did and are doing. Sure her connections got her the book deal but at least she did it. I think it's safe to say that it's much more than what many of us here have done. And who cares about Chelsea not partying in college. Personally I don't trust people who didn't. Or maybe she was better at not getting caught. ;)

[Adaya]

And WHY hasn't someone asked HRC why BILL is Rev. Wright's friend? Why hasn't Bill rejected and vilified Rev. Wright??

Good point. Donna Brazille made some good points about that not too long ago and also mentioned how Rev. Wright was invited to a prayer breakfast at the White House along with a number of other ministers. This was around the time that all of the Lewinsky stuff was about to hit the fan, and while many of those ministers didn't agree with his actions, they didn't turn their backs on Clinton.

But let Hillary tell it, she would never have anything to do with the likes of a man like Wright.

[jennylou]

Have you all heard that HRC is out there saying that pledged delegates don't have to vote the way that the voters voted in their states?

Link here. (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/26/more-clinton-hints-that-pledged-delegates-are-up-for-grabs/)

[kd 9.21.02]

Despite the fact that I'm liking all things Clinton less and less, I will say that Chelsea has a good job, and shouldn't be talked down because of it. After all, the girl is smart, worked hard in school, and wasn't a partier - and her job reflects that.

I hear ya. And you're right. I just don't dig the superiority vibe she gives off when she's gone the finance route (same route my husband has taken -- so I promise I'm not bashing the job).

[Adaya]

Have you all heard that HRC is out there saying that pledged delegates don't have to vote the way that the voters voted in their states?

Link here. (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/26/more-clinton-hints-that-pledged-delegates-are-up-for-grabs/)

I don't know what she's smoking (joke), but she may as well say that voters should have never showed up to vote and let it just be in the hands of pledged delegates to have their way. Please Hill! :rolleyes:

[pocket]

It isn’t that I don’t believe that a person can misremember something like whether or not they were ever under sniper fire in Bosnia. It’s that I think that Hillary Clinton’s metanarrative of her time in the White House is totally falsified. I do think that she was an important domestic advisor to Bill in his first term, but her metanarrative includes foreign policy involvement that doesn’t ring true. This Bosnia thing is part of her fake foreign policy credentials so IMO it isn’t a simple case of memory loss. Which brings me to my next point – if sleep deprivation makes her memory this bad, maybe we ought to be concerned about her ability to respond to a crisis at 3 AM. I also wonder how involved someone without a security clearance could really have been in foreign policy advising.

I also do not feel bad for Chelsea Clinton at all. If she is going to be a political actor she had better toughen up a bit. People are going to ask her about her parents’ political and personal scandals. That is the game.

Hillary is having a fundraiser in my building next Thursday. That should be fun. I should wear an Obama t-shirt and hang out in the lobby.

[Niobe]

Have you all heard that HRC is out there saying that pledged delegates don't have to vote the way that the voters voted in their states?

Link here. (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/26/more-clinton-hints-that-pledged-delegates-are-up-for-grabs/)

I'm hearing it spun by Hillary supporters as "Too many of the people voting for Obama were Independents and registered Republicans. This is the Democratic primary, and the delegates should more heavily consider the votes of registered Democrats." Because, the Independents' votes aren't going to make a difference in the general election or anything. :rolleyes:

[phoenics]

He was impeached but the Senate didn't convict.

Chelsea bugs. She certainly gets her sense of entitlement from her parents. I find it pretty interesting that the Clinton offspring is with a hedge fund while Jenna Bush is off working with Unicef, writing a book about a girl with AIDS and teaching in inner city schools and Barbara has worked with AIDS patients in Africa.

You would also be surprised to hear that George and Laura Bush also work on a book program called USAid for Africa in Senegal. I know this because my dad runs the program and confers (specifically with Laura Bush) directly.

I'm also a contributing author for the books (the mathematics ones). So far, my father's written about 10 books at the elementary and high school level and now they're tackling collegiate level books.

It was a surprise to me that Bush pushed this program so heavily. Even when big companies tried to rush into Senegal to produce the book copies, Bush said no because the country needed to be able to do this themselves to generate jobs for the people living there. Outside corporations should not be allowed to get a foothold into Senegal by using the USAid program.

It made me wonder why Bush doesn't implement better programs for inner city and disadvantaged kids HERE. But I did have to admit that he did it for Senegal.

It's possible that he thought this would happen in Iraq too - but unfortunately the whole 'forcing democracy' on Iraq won't work. Senegal ASKED to be apart of this program. Iraq didn't.

[phoenics]

I don't know what she's smoking (joke), but she may as well say that voters should have never showed up to vote and let it just be in the hands of pledged delegates to have their way. Please Hill! :rolleyes:

She's really working my last nerve. What scares me is that it seems like people can't see how she keeps moving the chains.

[kd 9.21.02]

Bob Cesca's mash-up video, The Tide is Turning (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s9ubMQX7WE), choked me up a bit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s9ubMQX7WE

(BTW, how do I post a video so you can see the little video box and not just the link?)

[allyray231]

Bob Cesca's mash-up video, The Tide is Turning (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s9ubMQX7WE), choked me up a bit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s9ubMQX7WE


I watch this
and I fear for my sons future if he doesnt win
Sigh

[cosmic]

It's Raining McCain
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MaP9eiWuX3s&feature=related

Cover your mouth if you're at work. You WILL laugh out loud. :D

[allyray231]

Is that for real or is it suppose to be a joke?

[cosmic]

Good question! I'm leaning towards believing they're serious. But I don't know.

[phoenics]

I saw that too and couldn't figure out if they were serious or not. Sheesh I hope they weren't... they just look a hot, bubbling mess! But yay to them for being excited about the democratic process.

[Kay]

That has to be a joke. I feel bad for them if its not. What a mess.

[Red'sGirl]

* cleaning up the rice I just spit out all over my desk*

OMG! My sides hurt from laughing that much. I would hope it's a joke, but then again, I would hope for more obvious jokes if it is. They were working awfully hard for that to be a spoof.

Whatever it is, that made me laugh in a hard day. Thanks, McCain girls!!!

[cynder]

If sleep deprivation makes her memory this bad, maybe we ought to be concerned about her ability to respond to a crisis at 3 AM.

Uh, bingo.

[miel]

I saw that McCain thing a while ago. Could barely watch it! It was kind of torture.

One thing that was cracking me up this morning was the fact that Sinbad might play a pivotal role in the presidential election. Does that make anyone else laugh?

This is kind of funny:

Did Sinbad Save America from Nuclear Annihilation? (http://wonkette.com/tag/yes-he-did/)

Did someone already post this absurd link of Fox news people talking about whether Richardson's beard is designed to make him look more ethnic?

Is Richardson playing the race card? After all, his mother is not white! RACE CARD. Why can't we all have white parents? Then none of us could play that damn race card? (http://mediamatters.org/items/200803240006)

OK, that's not what they said. But it's the gist of it. My husband said "God, I feel sorry for the people who work at Media Matters." I mean, what if your job was to watch Fox News?

Huffpo: Eight Year Old Girl Was Actually Sniper (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-borowitz/hillary-says-8yearold-b_b_93485.html)

Obama lolcats site It's not that funny. Good concept, bad execution. (http://yeswecanhas.com/)

[Delta]

I don't understand that McCain thing at all.

[nylons73]

Oh sweet Jebus - the new poll numbers are AWESOME! :)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/26/183836/017

Looks like people who were mad that the Wright controversy exploded blamed.....wait for it....wait for it.....Hillary! LOL

Now, I'm not sure she had NOTHING to do with the Wright controversy coming to light, and she sure has been fanning the flames of late....but...I think it's awfully good news for Obama that instead of Wright really hurting him, the whole episode (and the last few weeks) seem to have hurt Hillary!

Those polled found problems with Hillary's 'authenticity' (go figure) and also found that by a 14 point margin, Obama was more likely to 'unite the country.' WHEW!!! Obama supporters couldn't have asked for anything more in these polls. I swear Chris Matthews was about to jump out of his chair tonight during the 7pm Hardball. :D

[jennylou]

Did someone already post this absurd link of Fox news people talking about whether Richardson's beard is designed to make him look more ethnic?

Is Richardson playing the race card? After all, his mother is not white! RACE CARD. Why can't we all have white parents? Then none of us could play that damn race card? (http://mediamatters.org/items/200803240006)

OK, that's not what they said. But it's the gist of it. My husband said "God, I feel sorry for the people who work at Media Matters." I mean, what if your job was to watch Fox News?
[/URL]

My step mom is Mexican American - her family has been in the LA area since before LA was CA. I can't think on one man in the family who has a full beard, except my white father, lol! All the other men in the family, the older generation have mustaches. A few of the younger generation have goatees. But, most of the men don't have facial hair....so yeah, a full beard is NOT something to me that makes someone look more hispanic.

And, btw - he looked Hispanic in the non bearded picture to me. :confused:

[meganth]

My step mom is Mexican American - her family has been in the LA area since before LA was CA. I can't think on one man in the family who has a full beard, except my white father, lol! All the other men in the family, the older generation have mustaches. A few of the younger generation have goatees. But, most of the men don't have facial hair....so yeah, a full beard is NOT something to me that makes someone look more hispanic.

And, btw - he looked Hispanic in the non bearded picture to me. :confused:

No matter what i always see a giggly Horatio Sans whenever i see Bill Richardson. SNL does a better job than we think they do!

[allyray231]

ok have you guys seen this whole letter threating Speaker Nancy Pelosi

Here are the people who wrote the letter and who they are
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/26/212642/030/107/485012

[cosmic]

Ugh. She and Nancy are already NOT BFFs... lol.

Hi, everyone!
Just want to share an interesting article from the Huffington Post:
Obama & Co. Stop Taking The Bait (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/trey-ellis/obama-co-stop-taking-t_b_93528.html).

For what it's worth I think Obama IS talking about the issues that matter to the middle class, but the media remains focused on these made-up racial controversies which don't help him. His poll numbers will continue going up the more he talks (or is allowed to talk) about the economy, college tuition, health care, etc.

[miel]

But, most of the men don't have facial hair.

I don't know AT ALL if this is true but my dad says the reason Mexicans don't have much hair on their faces is because indigenous people in the Americans don't have much facial hair. My dad has all kinds of trivia, but I don't know if all of it is true!!! :) Most Mexicans have indian ancestors. My dad can grow a beard though but it is kind of scruffy. Anyway, it's just a way for them to introduce the topic of ethnicity and race and somehow discount Richardson because he is not white. They need a pretext of some kind and will pick anything.

Can you believe those Fox news people? How can they just let them sit up there and say that stupid stuff??? They sound like such unbelievable idiots. I mean, I guess they go for the idiot demographic. But still.

[cosmic]

Obama lolcats site It's not that funny. Good concept, bad execution. (http://yeswecanhas.com/)

It's exactly as you said... lol.
I did like the last one with the cute chihuahua. *snicker*

[ysolde]

I don't know AT ALL if this is true but my dad says the reason Mexicans don't have much hair on their faces is because indigenous people in the Americans don't have much facial hair. My dad has all kinds of trivia, but I don't know if all of it is true!!! :) Most Mexicans have indian ancestors. My dad can grow a beard though but it is kind of scruffy. Anyway, it's just a way for them to introduce the topic of ethnicity and race and somehow discount Richardson because he is not white. They need a pretext of some kind and will pick anything.

Can you believe those Fox news people? How can they just let them sit up there and say that stupid stuff??? They sound like such unbelievable idiots. I mean, I guess they go for the idiot demographic. But still.

I think you are right on all counts.

[phoenics]

New Poll weakens Clinton supporters' Electoral College Argument...

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/03/27/new-poll-weakens-clinton-supporters-electoral-college-argument.html


New Poll Weakens Clinton Supporters' Electoral College Argument
A new poll in California shows more voters now have a positive view of Obama despite Clinton's Super Tuesday win in the state
By Justin Ewers
Posted March 27, 2008

SAN FRANCISCO—While Hillary Clinton tries to fight her way from behind in the Democratic presidential race, pouring millions of dollars into a last-ditch effort in the Pennsylvania primary, some of her supporters have begun suggesting a novel approach to selecting the nominee—and ending the current political deadlock. Instead of relying on the number of delegates the candidates have won (where Obama enjoys a small lead), the popular vote (which Obama leads by about 700,000 votes), or the number of states won (Obama's 27 trumps her 14), Sen. Evan Bayh, a Clinton backer, suggested this week that the nominee should be selected using another measure: the number of electoral votes the candidates have acquired. "Who carried the states with the most Electoral College votes is an important factor to consider because, ultimately, that's how we choose the president of the United States," Senator Bayh of Indiana said on CNN recently. Using this standard, Clinton, by carrying states like Texas, Ohio, and California, would have tallied a total of 219 Electoral College votes at this point in the race. Obama's wins in smaller states would have garnered him only 202.

A poll released today in California, the home of 55 electoral votes, the most of any state, underscores some of the weaknesses of this new electoral methodology—and serves as a reminder, experts say, of just how difficult it may be to determine a clear winner in the divided Democratic race, even in the states that have already voted.


This made my heart sing...

It's worth noting, experts say, that the poll was conducted during the week of March 11, one of the roughest stretches Obama has experienced in his campaign, as he faced a barrage of questions about race and his relationship with his pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. In spite of all the bad publicity, California voters still seem to be moving toward him—or at least away from Clinton. "That makes it all the more remarkable," says Regalado.

[Niobe]

ok have you guys seen this whole letter threating Speaker Nancy Pelosi

Here are the people who wrote the letter and who they are
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/26/212642/030/107/485012

"Dear Speaker Pelosi,

Please don't tell the superdelegates to listen to the voters. Voters should never be listened to.

Thanks,
The Money"

[miel]

"Dear Speaker Pelosi,

Please don't tell the superdelegates to listen to the voters. Voters should never be listened to.

Thanks,
The Money"

Yeah, that's about the size of it.

[cosmic]

Did anyone watch Olbermann last night? He was talking about the note Nancy Pelosi sent back yesterday basically telling them to stuff it. Good for her!

New for this morning--> Pennsylvania Sen. Bob Casey To Endorse Obama (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080328/ap_on_el_pr/obama_endorsement)

[msnicolea]

I am so in love with Keith Olbermann--don't even get me started.

And hooray re: Sen Casey!

[msnicolea]

Apologies if this was already posted, but I was really impressed with Mike Huckabee's statement re: the comments by Rev. Wright:

As easy as it is for those of us who are white to look back and say, "That's a terrible statement," I grew up in a very segregated South, and I think that you have to cut some slack. And I'm going to be probably the only conservative in America who's going to say something like this, but I'm just telling you: We've got to cut some slack to people who grew up being called names, being told, "You have to sit in the balcony when you go to the movie. You have to go to the back door to go into the restaurant. And you can't sit out there with everyone else. There's a separate waiting room in the doctor's office. Here's where you sit on the bus." And you know what? Sometimes people do have a chip on their shoulder and resentment. And you have to just say, I probably would too. I probably would too. In fact, I may have had ... more of a chip on my shoulder had it been me. - Mike Huckabee, offering his perspective on the preaching of Rev. Jeremiah Wright. (Source: MSNBC)

[cosmic]

Wow... I'm impressed.

Also, more Dems are coming out to try to talk Hillary down from her perch. ->
Patrick Leahy Calls on Hillary to Drop Out of Race (http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/obamasupporter_patrick_leahy_c.php).

[msnicolea]

Mike Huckabee strikes me as a thoughtful, kind person--if only he believed in Evolution. . .

[jennylou]

I too am shocked and appreciative of Huckabee's comments.

[allyray231]

Mike Huckabee strikes me as a thoughtful, kind person--if only he believed in Evolution. . .

I totally agree

[jennylou]

Obama is on The View today! :D

[ThreeYell]

I've always had a soft spot for Huck.

Did anyone see the story on the Today Show this morning about Bloomberg as a possible Obama running mate? It was obviously a slow news day so it might have been something NBC just made up out of thin air. I can't for the life of me think how Bloomberg could help Obama as Veep.

[Adaya]

Obama is on The View today! :D

I'm watching now. Funny....when he came out there was just a nice and pleasant handshake for EH and handshakes and hugs for everyone else. Just an observation.

~~~~~
I'm very impressed by Huckabee's comments too. Thanks for posting that misnicolea.

eta: About The View: They wasted no time jumping on the Rev. Wright story and spent most of the first segment with Obama talking about it.

[phoenics]

I'm watching now. Funny....when he came out there was just a nice and pleasant handshake for EH and handshakes and hugs for everyone else. Just an observation.

BWAH AH AHH! I can't stand EH. I used to agree with her on some issues - but she's proven herself to be an entitled beeyotch who can't seem to get off her high horse. Her love of Sean Hannity just annoys me. I really, really can't stand her.

Did I mention I can't stand her?


~~~~~
I'm very impressed by Huckabee's comments too. Thanks for posting that misnicolea.

eta: About The View: They wasted no time jumping on the Rev. Wright story and spent most of the first segment with Obama talking about it.

Boring! Talk about some freakin issues!

[phoenics]

I just saw an article about Obama not being in Pennsylvania much - and how PA voters are feeling neglected by both him and Clinton. I do wish he'd get out there and stump more.

[msnicolea]

I suspect the thinks a Clinton victory there is a done deal--but I agree with you, phoenics.

[phoenics]

I suspect the thinks a Clinton victory there is a done deal--but I agree with you, phoenics.

Yeah - I agree that's what he thinks, but it would be such a good gesture. What happens if/when he wins the nomination? Will those bad feelings carry over into people not voting for him?

I think he needs to do whatever is necessary to make PA as close as possible AND make sure he blows Clinton out in NC.

[cosmic]

I think Obama was in Pennsylvania last week? I'll have to check. I do know that HRC is expected to win PA. But even that won't help her in the race for delegates.

There have been a lot of newly registered voters in PA and of course pundits are wondering if it isn't because of the Rush Limbaugh thing. Ugh, I hope not. :rolleyes:

[allyray231]

Obama is there today according to CNN

[nylons73]

I just saw an article about Obama not being in Pennsylvania much - and how PA voters are feeling neglected by both him and Clinton. I do wish he'd get out there and stump more.

You'll be happy to know that he was in Pittsburgh this morning and received the endorsement of the only Democratic Pennsylvania Senator - Bob Casey! :)

Casey's endorsement is important because his family has a long history in PA politics (his Dad was Gov and I believe also a Senator.) Casey is now going to join Barack on his 6 day BUS TOUR of Penn! :)

Barack is going (on his bus) to big towns and small, all over PA. He is even visiting Scranton (home of Dunder Mifflin ;) ) (and birthplace of Hillary Clinton. heh heh)

So....the news will be dominated in the next 6 days with a Bar-ocking of Pennsylvania! :D

[phoenics]

You'll be happy to know that he was in Pittsburgh this morning and received the endorsement of the only Democratic Pennsylvania Senator - Bob Casey! :)

Casey's endorsement is important because his family has a long history in PA politics (his Dad was Gov and I believe also a Senator.) Casey is now going to join Barack on his 6 day BUS TOUR of Penn! :)

Barack is going (on his bus) to big towns and small, all over PA. He is even visiting Scranton (home of Dunder Mifflin ;) ) (and birthplace of Hillary Clinton. heh heh)

So....the news will be dominated in the next 6 days with a Bar-ocking of Pennsylvania! :D

Oh alright!!!! Whoo hoo!

[kendriln]

I think Obama was in Pennsylvania last week? I'll have to check. I do know that HRC is expected to win PA. But even that won't help her in the race for delegates.

There have been a lot of newly registered voters in PA and of course pundits are wondering if it isn't because of the Rush Limbaugh thing. Ugh, I hope not. :rolleyes:


I can't speak for everyone who is newly registered - but we have been in Philly and the surrounding areas for the past few weekends doing registration drives. We were there last Thursday and registered almost 200 people in a matter of a few hours. From what I was hearing, the vast majority of them were Obama supporters who just never felt the need to register to vote until now. One young man hugged me and thanked me for standing on the street corner. He said that he "felt so much better" after registering. I had tears in my eyes!

[JustVita]

I'm watching now. Funny....when he came out there was just a nice and pleasant handshake for EH and handshakes and hugs for everyone else. Just an observation.

Hey Adaya, I watched for this (I'd read your post already, I'm on the West Coast) and what I think happened is that he was very gracious with EH, but Sherry was up next and you know homegirl got her a hug. I think that's what set off the hugs. EH just happened to be first and had Sherry not hugged him, maybe he would have just shook everyone's hands. I was hoping it would be something simple like this because imagine the uproar.......he snubbed EH!

Phoenics, I can't stand her either. I've very rarely agreed with her about anything, but for the most part could respect she had an opinion and that she held her ground in the face of opposition as nearly everyone else on the panel is usually in disagreement with her. What I've never liked about her is that she is extremely stubborn and seems so unwilling, at times, to learn. This Rev. Wright thing and the way she goes on and on about it is just another example.

[JustVita]

One young man hugged me and thanked me for standing on the street corner. He said that he "felt so much better" after registering. I had tears in my eyes!

Beautiful!

[Red'sGirl]

I called my office and told them that I couldn't come in until Obama was off the View! Having seen it, I couldn't be happier with his appearance. He was happy, serene, even funny! When EH went on and on about how great his original speech (at the Dem. Convention) was, he turned to Barbara W and said "it WAS a pretty good speech!" :D He charmed everyone.

In fact, I called my husband and told him I was leaving him for Barack Obama. I said that I've decided to email Obama and offer myself body and soul (my husbands response? "Gee, Darrien, I think he'd prefer CASH!").

I drove to work feeling like the world might be o.k. :)

[nylons73]

Mike Huckabee strikes me as a thoughtful, kind person--if only he believed in Evolution. . .

I totally agree with you! :) I contend that if we had to vote for funniest presidential candidate, Huckabee would take it in a landslide! I remember hearing him campaign in SC and he said 'If you are going to vote for me on Saturday- don't forget to make it to the polls. On the other had, if you are not going to vote for me today - stay home! watch cartoons! have another donut!" hee hee :)

One night on Larry King, Jon Stewart said about Huckabee that he's one of those people who charms you and makes you laugh an then he says something that makes you stop in your tracks and go HUH? "I want to change the US Constitution to reflect the Bible." HUH? ;)

[phoenics]

Phoenics, I can't stand her either. I've very rarely agreed with her about anything, but for the most part could respect she had an opinion and that she held her ground in the face of opposition as nearly everyone else on the panel is usually in disagreement with her. What I've never liked about her is that she is extremely stubborn and seems so unwilling, at times, to learn. This Rev. Wright thing and the way she goes on and on about it is just another example.

Yes - that's exactly it! She just continues in her narrow-minded view on this Wright thing and it's just pissing me off so badly. I wish someone on that show would have the guts to call her out AND tell her all about Hal and her bestest bud Sean Hannity.

Ooooh I just can't stand her!

It's like you can talk to her about it, but she thinks she's SO right and can't stop and think about it. It's a SHAME that she has the opportunity to learn from 2 black hosts and she's STILL an ignorant heifer.

[phoenics]

I called my office and told them that I couldn't come in until Obama was off the View! Having seen it, I couldn't be happier with his appearance. He was happy, serene, even funny! When EH went on and on about how great his original speech (at the Dem. Convention) was, he turned to Barbara W and said "it WAS a pretty good speech!" :D He charmed everyone.

In fact, I called my husband and told him I was leaving him for Barack Obama. I said that I've decided to email Obama and offer myself body and soul (my husbands response? "Gee, Darrien, I think he'd prefer CASH!").

I drove to work feeling like the world might be o.k. :)

Screaming with laughter. If I was married, I think I'd have to turn to my husband and be like, 'Look.... I love you ... but - can I get a pass on Obama?' Just one! You can have Halle, Tyra AND Thandi - I just want Obama!

LOL.

[phoenics]

I totally agree with you! :) I contend that if we had to vote for funniest presidential candidate, Huckabee would take it in a landslide! I remember hearing him campaign in SC and he said 'If you are going to vote for me on Saturday- don't forget to make it to the polls. On the other had, if you are not going to vote for me today - stay home! watch cartoons! have another donut!" hee hee :)

One night on Larry King, Jon Stewart said about Huckabee that he's one of those people who charms you and makes you laugh an then he says something that makes you stop in your tracks and go HUH? "I want to change the US Constitution to reflect the Bible." HUH? ;)

I know - HUH?!?! To me, it already reflects many tenets in the Bible and for that matter, other holy books.

I do like Huck though. He really kinda grew on me... except for that whole Evolution thing... and I'm Christian. I just don't get how people can't see that both can easily co-exist. I've always believed that they co-existed. Why doesn't Huck believe that God created evolution and the Bible explains it more simplistically to give us the spiritual meaning? I just don't get why some people are so afraid of science. It always confirms my religious beliefs... *shrugs*

Anyway, back to Obama... I have hope again!... Now we just have to get Hilary to stop obsessing over 'my precious' and step down!! LOL.

[ihearttx]

I thought he did really well on The View.

I really would just like to hold EH down and beat her.

[jennylou]

I thought Obama did great on The View as well. Barbara tried to nail him about the Wright thing and of course EH did as well, but he handled it with grace and charm. :)

[ysolde]

I thought he did really well on The View.

I really would just like to hold EH down and beat her.

Did you ever see Airplane? Remember the scene where there is a line of people waiting to beat on a woman? These days, that woman is EH. ;)

[cari2]

I'm not a democrat but I am open-minded. I was very impressed with him today on the View. He was very charismatic/likeable and seems to have a good answer for everything thrown at him.