Where did everyone go?

[KitKat]

What happened?

I am clueless about what is going on around here. I like these boards but will sometimes go away for weeks without visiting. So I am not a regular and don't belong to or visit any group threads. I don't visit journals or follow and of the drama. So I rarely get the inside jokes, commentary, etc. But am wondering where everyone went.

So what is going on? :confused:

[PG-rated]

Try http://community.livejournal.com/wc_on_lj to start. Then head over to http://www.letsjusttalk.com and read the Newbie Introductions sticky thread entitled "CC members post here" or some such.

And I suggest you copy these links quickly, before this thread gets deleted.

[KitKat]

Okay, thank you PG-rated. I have copied the links.

There is just a major difference in the boards.

[LyLMyssChaos]

Okay, so everyone headed for that other board. I wanted to check it out, see if it's worth joining, but it won't even let me see anything. How do I know if I want to sign up or not?

[PG-rated]

Okay, so everyone headed for that other board. I wanted to check it out, see if it's worth joining, but it won't even let me see anything. How do I know if I want to sign up or not?
Creating a username is free, and then you can see about 40% of the boards. To see the whole thing, you need a paid subscription, but sometimes there are sponsorships available (people who pay the fee for others). What I did was sign up for the free parts and lurk for a little, and once I got a feel for the place, I paid. If you decide it's not for you, they're very nice about deleting your account, no hard feelings.

[Ericka_Jarett]

Ly - you click on register on the top left

[LyLMyssChaos]

Thanks for filling me in. I guess since there is a paid section, I won't even bother checking it out. I'm not up for paying for something that I get for free elsewhere. I once had a paid LJ account and it was a complete waste of money for me.

[PG-rated]

FWIW, I do think it's worth it, especially now that so many of us are over there. And it's not that expensive - $20/year.

[Kanga]

LMC - you can also do a month recurring 2.50/month and cancel at any time. So for $2.50 it might be worth a shot since LJT is truly a journaling community and you have to be a paying member to see the journals. But, I also understand not wanting to pay for something you can get free elsewhere even if it is only $20/$30. Personally, I find myself spending more time on my other boards - diaperswappers.com and MDC and then of course LJ to get my drama fix. I don't trust this site as far as I can throw it, so I don't post anything on here 'emotional' anymore, baby photos, belly shots (NO i'm not knocked up or trying, just an example, lol). Just your random threads that I could care less about if they were suddenly gone tomorrow.

[Toonces]

You can also get someone to "sponsor" you on LJT. If some people have a little extra, they give $$ to be used toward memberships for those who have a little less at the moment.

[Soulmate]

LJT gets a lot of talk here but, personally, I did not like it at all. The main section is dead as dead can be and I visit some pretty slow message boards. The info is no where near as good as it is here. I guess the only bright side from what I am hearing is the journals. But I don't journal, I don't visit journals, and I don't know any of those people who are journaling. I don't want to pay money for any of that. Plus the culture seems like way too much drama for me. I think it is probably better for those that the main purpose for visiting a board is for social reasons and you don't mind meeting and joining new people and a new atmosphere.

But to answer the OPs question, the boards probably seem slower, depending on what areas you visit, because a few highly verbal (meaning high post count) members were banned. A few more were ticked off at that and left. But I think they created a lot of conversation while here and now that they are not, the boards probably seem slower.

[imagirliegirl]

Can we just know who was banned? I've only heard a few names but I think it was more than I realize. I'd like to know who was forced to leave versus who just decided to leave.

[Niobe]

lawyerlee, mla, lml, and southerner initially. linda_loo and artist (though she's heard nothing official, she can't post) since the boards were taken down.

Did I miss anybody?

[Ericka_Jarett]

I know of 4 that were banned for sure and 1 that was apparently banned without knowing. I'm sure there are a few that may have been banned that I don't know of from the beginning.

I know TonySweetie had her account closed (per her request, I believe), in my journal I have a n/a for her post count, and her name no longer has the Queen of Cool but it says guest now

Funny K was always so happy we had over 5000 members, looking through the list at least 1/4 - 1/2 of the members never even posted 1 time.

[Myra]

lawyerlee, mla, lml, and southerner initially. linda_loo and artist (though she's heard nothing official, she can't post) since the boards were taken down.

Did I miss anybody?

I think Artist was not banned, just heavily moderated, and now she appears as a guest like Tonysweetie, so I'm guessing she asked to have her account deleted.

[Niobe]

Her account was deleted, but not at her request.

[Kanga]

mynn has also been banned but I don't know why and it was quite some time ago.

[deelcie]

OMG! I am a very infrequent poster, mainly just a big lurker but those are the LAST names I would expect to see banned!!! I haven't been up on the gossip but I've noticed a definite change and been hearing rumblings. I didn't really feel like digging around on other boards to get up to speed. Weren't those women like MAJOR contributors to this board? Moderators? All of them seemed very pro-CC to me? Didn't lml raise a ton of $$ for this place too? WTF?? I LIKE these boards (at least I did) and I don't want to start up somewhere new. :( I guess I do need to go check out the links to see wth happened around here.

[NotDesperate]

I don't know who Diane is but I see that name with "guest" under it as well. Maybe she left a while ago?

[RobynScott]

I don't know who Diane is but I see that name with "guest" under it as well. Maybe she left a while ago?

I believe DianeCourt chose to leave a while ago - if anyone still talks to her, please tell her I say hi! LexyLou also chose to leave I believe (and is listed as 'guest').

[gayle]

How did I miss all this drama?

[Kimberland30]

After the post about the journals being closed March 1, I went investigating what the hell happened to this site. After reading a couple of threads in LJ, I realized it was nothing but DRAMA so I quit reading it. I'm not involved and couldn't give a crap what happened to who.

CC isn't my life...I come here to catch up on celebrity gossip (the only gossip I like), get advice, post to fun threads, and look into home & money stuff. I don't get the snarkiness of some posters, and the on-and-on drama that several cause (not pointing at anyone specifically, but there seems to be ongoing crap that keeps on popping up).

I for one will not be changing sites. I like this one for what I use it for. I hate the format of LJ so I don't visit friends who have journals there very often - I'm over there ever few months at best.

[GroceryStoreWine]

CC isn't my life...I come here to catch up on celebrity gossip (the only gossip I like), get advice, post to fun threads, and look into home & money stuff. I don't get the snarkiness of some posters, and the on-and-on drama that several cause (not pointing at anyone specifically, but there seems to be ongoing crap that keeps on popping up).


I agree. Without knowing all the details I can't form an opinion on anything.

Probably the best thing for this site would be for the Admin to post an official thread about the whole mess so everyone can stop talking about it and we can just move on.

[DallasLady]

Wow. I guess I just don't keep up with all the drama, I too was wondering what in the world has been going on around here. It makes me kind of sad. I have literally been a member since Day 1, I came over from WC. I have really liked it here.

[Niobe]

I believe DianeCourt chose to leave a while ago - if anyone still talks to her, please tell her I say hi! LexyLou also chose to leave I believe (and is listed as 'guest').
Oh, there's more then just them - Snowzilla and Sophia also had their accounts deleted. Seems like I've seen a couple more "guests" around here too.
How did I miss all this drama?
It all went down on LJ.

[dionysia]

IProbably the best thing for this site would be for the Admin to post an official thread about the whole mess so everyone can stop talking about it and we can just move on.

Good luck waiting for that.

[PG-rated]

I agree. Without knowing all the details I can't form an opinion on anything.
Well, the links are still there. Feel free to read them yourself and ask any questions. Here's Katy's side. (http://www.adminfusion.com/forums/58-handling-problem-members/19264-how-do-you-do-need-advice.html)

Probably the best thing for this site would be for the Admin to post an official thread about the whole mess so everyone can stop talking about it and we can just move on.
Part of the problem is that for the last month, members who asked questions had their threads locked and posts deleted. That's why this is still ongoing, IMHO.

[PG-rated]

LJT gets a lot of talk here but, personally, I did not like it at all. The main section is dead as dead can be and I visit some pretty slow message boards.
If you still have a username, I'd check it out again. It's still journal-heavy, but the regular sections have picked up quite a bit in the last month.

[RobynScott]

Oh, there's more then just them - Snowzilla and Sophia also had their accounts deleted. Seems like I've seen a couple more "guests" around here too.


I'm really going to miss them too. Both gave really good advice - Sophia was especially helpful in the pumping thread. Guess I'll look for her on LJ.

[cr8zyforaf]

Well, the links are still there. Feel free to read them yourself and ask any questions.

I just read this - didn't that sir tvdinner person come over here and try to start trouble right around the time this happened..I think the same aviator was used....I can't recall which thread it was.

[PG-rated]

I just read this - didn't that sir tvdinner person come over here and try to start trouble right around the time this happened..I think the same aviator was used....I can't recall which thread it was.
That thread's gone now, as are all of the threads started immediately after the bannings asking what happened.

[KitKat]

I obviously missed all the drama too.

But I came from WC and had no idea what happened there either until the exodus. I just remember posts asking what everyone was doing on a certain date and did not really pay attention to what people were talking about. Then everyone left and some members directed me here. I have enjoyed this board but did notice the significant increase in moderation, moving threads, etc. over the months so stopped coming over as often.

I just tried to look up LJT and it pointed me to:

http://www.larryjoetaylor.com/ :p

So I guess it's a part of Live Journal. But like others, find the site a bit difficult to navigate & figure out.

[jimmysgirl424]

I'm very sad to see some of the members here who were banned. :( I just don't get it.

[Kay]

I obviously missed all the drama too.

But I came from WC and had no idea what happened there either until the exodus. I just remember posts asking what everyone was doing on a certain date and did not really pay attention to what people were talking about. Then everyone left and some members directed me here. I have enjoyed this board but did notice the significant increase in moderation, moving threads, etc. over the months so stopped coming over as often.

I just tried to look up LJT and it pointed me to:

http://www.larryjoetaylor.com/ :p

So I guess it's a part of Live Journal. But like others, find the site a bit difficult to navigate & figure out.


LJT stands for Letsjusttalkhttp://www.letsjusttalk.com/vb/

[phoenics]

Oh, there's more then just them - Snowzilla and Sophia also had their accounts deleted. Seems like I've seen a couple more "guests" around here too.

It all went down on LJ.

Awww dang! Sophia and snowzilla too?

[KitKat]

Thank you, and thank you for the people who are trying to clue me in via PM. I am now restricted with my PM access.... :confused:

Oh no!!

[phoenics]

Thank you, and thank you for the people who are trying to clue me in via PM. I am now restricted with my PM access.... :confused:

Oh no!!

Check first to make sure you haven't reached your limit before panicking...

[jeepgirl]

Well, the links are still there. Feel free to read them yourself and ask any questions. Here's Katy's side. (http://www.adminfusion.com/forums/58-handling-problem-members/19264-how-do-you-do-need-advice.html)


Part of the problem is that for the last month, members who asked questions had their threads locked and posts deleted. That's why this is still ongoing, IMHO.

Thank you for posting the link to "Katy's" side. I had not heard it before. I can see where she would be frustrated, depending on what was being said about her (which I never really "caught"). However, I don't know what was being said about her personally that would cause her to want to shut down everyone's journals.

I never kept up with ANY of the drama on these boards until things were TOTALLY SHUT DOWN and journals frozen. (I knew there was drama before but never researched it out, or cared to know about it in the past.I was actually happy to stay in the dark.) Most of us probably would have liked to have been kept blissfully ignorant, I know I would have. But the shut down of everything and stripping of access to journals without warning caused me to want to, for once, try and make some sense of what happened.

Once you get EVERYONE'S attention by shutting things down, then just ignoring it and pretending like nothing happened is really, no longer possible. If she had just banned the members because of broken rules and just left it at that, then she could have kept the higher ground and said nothing further to the rest of us, she would have that right. (I'm not saying banned members broke rules, I honestly don't know one way or the other.)

This drama could have, for the most part, been avoided. Sure, a few people would have known what was going on, but most of us would not have if everything had not been frozen. But, people make mistakes. All of us do. Once a wound is inflicted however, you really can't let it heal properly unless it is cleaned and aired out.

Thank you, Lacey, for reinstating the journals. I hope things get better. We'll see.

[KitKat]

Thanks for the info and insight.

And I just tried to look up Lets Just talk -- is it new? I recognize some names over there but then I recognize my own name that I use (******) though it's someone else over there.

[KitKat]

Well my own user name has been edited?? k i t k a t :)

[phoenics]

Well my own user name has been edited?? k i t k a t :)

This has gone beyond crazy.

[dionysia]

Seriously?

kitkatblog

[laura]

******

that is weird.

[villanelle75]

I think Katy had a blog or username somewhere that included "k!tK@t", so that may be why that word is edited.If Lacey isn't MIA and is willing to clue us in, maybe she can shed some light on that though.

LJT isn't new. I remember that it existed when WC exploded, so it is at least that old, though their traffic has increased considerably in the last month or so, and especially in the last week.

[BethIrish]

Hmmm..

******, ****, ****ity **** **** ****

I really like kitkats :)

[Kimberland30]

A lot of the people who joined this site when it first started (myself included) left WC because of the new sucky format, the 'attitude' of the mods, and many of us were already married and really had no need for the wedding forums - the main part of the WC website (it was called the Wedding Channel after all).

I am not 'in the loop' of what's going on, and I'm glad I read Katy's side of it. Unfortunately where ever a bunch of women congregate, whether it be IRL or online, there is bound to be grumblings and snarkiness. It's the nature of the beast. However, from what I've read it just got way out of hand, and I don't think a thread to address the issues will help. There will be some that feel they need to rehash it all over again and continue the drama - as evidenced by comments posted in SEVERAL threads throughout this board. Which is really pathetic, considering we are supposed to be ADULT women. Why the need to revert back to junior high? I'm not speaking of anyone specifically, just in general. Seems to happen IRL with other groups I belong to as well. It ruins it for the rest of us that just don't give a sh!t. I wondered what was happening because of the journal situation. Now that it has been resolved, I'm totally fine with how things are now. I just wish the semi-veiled comments would stop. Enough already.

[kam]

Perhaps there's a concern of some trademark infringement or something? Snickers. Butterfinger. Nope. Guess people are forced to try alternate ways of saying it then or they will just give up entirely.

For example, if you take away the phrase "The emperor has no clothes", I guess you're SOL. Or maybe not since you could always say "The big cheese is butt nekkid." ;) There's always a workaround.

[vjel]

Perhaps there's a concern of some trademark infringement or something? Snickers. Butterfinger. Nope. Guess people are forced to try alternate ways of saying it then or they will just give up entirely.

For example, if you take away the phrase "The emperor has no clothes", I guess you're SOL. Or maybe not since you could always say "The big cheese is butt nekkid." ;) There's always a workaround.

LMAO! :p

[jeepgirl]

I am not 'in the loop' of what's going on, and I'm glad I read Katy's side of it. Unfortunately where ever a bunch of women congregate, whether it be IRL or online, there is bound to be grumblings and snarkiness. It's the nature of the beast. However, from what I've read it just got way out of hand, and I don't think a thread to address the issues will help. There will be some that feel they need to rehash it all over again and continue the drama - as evidenced by comments posted in SEVERAL threads throughout this board. Which is really pathetic, considering we are supposed to be ADULT women. Why the need to revert back to junior high? I'm not speaking of anyone specifically, just in general. Seems to happen IRL with other groups I belong to as well. It ruins it for the rest of us that just don't give a sh!t. I wondered what was happening because of the journal situation. Now that it has been resolved, I'm totally fine with how things are now. I just wish the semi-veiled comments would stop. Enough already.

That's your opinion. The boards mean different things to different people. If people need to vent, I think that's perfectly understandable.

[AttyGrl74]

Unfortunately where ever a bunch of women congregate, whether it be IRL or online, there is bound to be grumblings and snarkiness.

I think that comments like that do a severe disservice to women.

What's going on here isn't half as snarky as the stuff I see on the political boards that my DH frequents.

[KitKat]

And members like me actually appreciate those who take the time to try to explain what is going on. I must not be the only clueless one that is wondering what is happening around here. :o

-******

[Toonces]

I just read this - didn't that sir tvdinner person come over here and try to start trouble right around the time this happened..I think the same aviator was used....I can't recall which thread it was.

Yes, he was a "friend" of Katy's on another board.

------
Kim, if you're tired of reading about it, you can always use the ignore feature. Everyone gets closure in different ways. I don't think anyone who is discussing what happened is being pathetic or immature.

[ejs]

mrtvdinner also made deals with other site owners that if he posted on their site, they would post on his, so both sites click counts and user numbers would rise.

[Aimee]

Makes me think of Andy on "The Office"

Gimme a break, gimme a break, break me off a piece of that...

Honda Car?
Apple sauce?

[camberne]

A lot of the people who joined this site when it first started (myself included) left WC because of the new sucky format, the 'attitude' of the mods, and many of us were already married and really had no need for the wedding forums - the main part of the WC website (it was called the Wedding Channel after all).

I am not 'in the loop' of what's going on, and I'm glad I read Katy's side of it. Unfortunately where ever a bunch of women congregate, whether it be IRL or online, there is bound to be grumblings and snarkiness. It's the nature of the beast. However, from what I've read it just got way out of hand, and I don't think a thread to address the issues will help. There will be some that feel they need to rehash it all over again and continue the drama - as evidenced by comments posted in SEVERAL threads throughout this board. Which is really pathetic, considering we are supposed to be ADULT women. Why the need to revert back to junior high? I'm not speaking of anyone specifically, just in general. Seems to happen IRL with other groups I belong to as well. It ruins it for the rest of us that just don't give a sh!t. I wondered what was happening because of the journal situation. Now that it has been resolved, I'm totally fine with how things are now. I just wish the semi-veiled comments would stop. Enough already.Unfortunately, it was the administrator of the board who acted junior high-ish to start the recent drama. It was comments on LJ that she brought back here and acted in a manner unbefitting of an administrator. The fact that the four people initially banned did nothing in this community to warrant such action is/was very upsetting to many of us... especially since they were valuable contributors to the board. I was on the "advisory board" and posted a post in that forum (not public, but only visible to a select group that Katy chose) to question the action which was almost immediate deleted. That kind of behavior by an administrator is just wrong.

If you personally don't care about it, fine... but it hit close to home for some of us. I choose to stay away from drama when I can, but I am extremely annoyed with this situation. If people don't want to read about it, they can stay away from the threads that address it. But, there are many people who would like a reasonable explanation as to why what happened happened.

[laura]

I think the part where she threatened said users with reporting "malicious" activity to their ISPs (ie. their employers) crossed a line for a lot of people.

I, for one, did spend a moment envisioning a hilarious conversation with my boss wherein I tried to describe to her what CC is and why someone affiliated w/ the site thought it was at all relevant to ours lives to contact her about my activity there... (though I was not involved at all- I mean purely theoretically).

[villanelle75]

I don't suppose that we can now say c0ck? Testing: ****.

[cynder]

I think it is horrible that a member of this board cannot even have her username print properly.

k i t k a t (I can't believe I just typed that) - I hope you PM an admin and get this resolved.

Aimee I loved that episode. Thanks for making me laugh out loud today.

[hockeybrat]

so kitkat is now censored?

whatta country!

eta - word no longer censored?

[Lacey]

It was an older addition to the censor list (not sure why), but I don't see it as relevant so I took it off.

[KitKat]

Thank you, I appreciate it. I thought I was in trouble for starting the thread.

[cynder]

That's great, Lacey. But a simple search of the term shows that KitKat was able to post her name with success in December 2007. So it's a recent older addition to the censor list.

Ok, moving on...

[Lacey]

Ah, I didn't know that. But I just wanted you to know (KitKat) that your name wasn't added because of anything you'd done. The phrase was added before I came here.

[Kimberland30]

That's your opinion. The boards mean different things to different people. If people need to vent, I think that's perfectly understandable.

It is entirely my opinion, and I wasn't speaking of anyone in particular. I understand that the boards mean different things to different people, and some chose to be involved with the politics of it (even if it doesn't deal with them directly) and others chose not to. And there is nothing wrong with either side of it. I'm all for "speaking what you feel", but there is a difference between posting a vent and posting a snarky comment just to keep the drama going.

I think that comments like that do a severe disservice to women.

It wouldn't be such a 'severe disservice' if it weren't true - and again I'll say IMO. My comment was based on what I've seen in the workplace, and a few community groups I belong to IRL.

Kim, if you're tired of reading about it, you can always use the ignore feature. Everyone gets closure in different ways. I don't think anyone who is discussing what happened is being pathetic or immature.

I never said that DISCUSSING it was pathetic or immature. A DISCUSSION is one thing, posting a snarky comment about it is quite another. If people are wondering what is going on and they chose to research it, great...go at it. But for those who are 'in-the-know" and still feel the need to post digs at others, THAT is what is sad and unnecessary.

Unfortunately, it was the administrator of the board who acted junior high-ish to start the recent drama. It was comments on LJ that she brought back here and acted in a manner unbefitting of an administrator. The fact that the four people initially banned did nothing in this community to warrant such action is/was very upsetting to many of us... especially since they were valuable contributors to the board. I was on the "advisory board" and posted a post in that forum (not public, but only visible to a select group that Katy chose) to question the action which was almost immediate deleted. That kind of behavior by an administrator is just wrong.

If you personally don't care about it, fine... but it hit close to home for some of us. I choose to stay away from drama when I can, but I am extremely annoyed with this situation. If people don't want to read about it, they can stay away from the threads that address it. But, there are many people who would like a reasonable explanation as to why what happened happened.

I'll be the first to admit I don't know the whole story, what happened to who and when. I tried to follow in the LJ and other boards about it, but holy crap it was making my head hurt. It's hard to tell what is actual "truth" and what is written in frustration (which I understand). However, I find it hard to believe that people were banned for doing "nothing wrong". Maybe that's just me being naive (??). I'm not taking anyone's side, I'm not saying that there is a right and a wrong here. I don't believe that shutting down the journals was the way to go - if in fact they were shut down for this reason.

think the part where she threatened said users with reporting "malicious" activity to their ISPs (ie. their employers) crossed a line for a lot of people.

Like I said, I don't know the whole story because I didn't read everything. I'm very much in the dark so maybe I'll just shut up about it. :o

[Toonces]

I never said that DISCUSSING it was pathetic or immature. A DISCUSSION is one thing, posting a snarky comment about it is quite another. If people are wondering what is going on and they chose to research it, great...go at it. But for those who are 'in-the-know" and still feel the need to post digs at others, THAT is what is sad and unnecessary.


Okay then, I haven't seen any snarky comments. Just discussions about what happened. I think it's cool that we're "allowed" to discuss it now. Finally. As always, if ppl don't like it, they can avoid the discussion.

[Kimberland30]

Okay then, I haven't seen any snarky comments. Just discussions about what happened. I think it's cool that we're "allowed" to discuss it now. Finally. As always, if ppl don't like it, they can avoid the discussion.

ITA with you. :)

[SiValleySteph]

I think the part where she threatened said users with reporting "malicious" activity to their ISPs (ie. their employers) crossed a line for a lot of people.


I agree, this is the main thing that really bothered me, especially since there was no public statement on either side as to what the alleged infractions were.

How can I be sure I'm not going to be sent to the principal's office if I don't have a clear understanding of what the rules are?

[villanelle75]

I agree, this is the main thing that really bothered me, especially since there was no public statement on either side as to what the alleged infractions were.

How can I be sure I'm not going to be sent to the principal's office if I don't have a clear understanding of what the rules are?

This is still a serious concern from me and, IMO, it has yet to be sufficiently addresses by Lacey. So I ask again, Lacey, for clarification as to the circumstances under which ISPs would be contacted, whether that would be only for material posted on this site or it would include things posted on other sites, in PMs, etc.

I'd like to see something saying that under no circumstances, excepting criminal activity, will an ISP be contacted. Or something similar to that. Or, if the policy is different, I'd like to be told that, and have it explained, in detail, what the policy is.

Lacey? Anyone? Bueller?

[phoenics]

I agree, this is the main thing that really bothered me, especially since there was no public statement on either side as to what the alleged infractions were.

How can I be sure I'm not going to be sent to the principal's office if I don't have a clear understanding of what the rules are?

Ditto that.

[imagirliegirl]

This is still a serious concern from me and, IMO, it has yet to be sufficiently addresses by Lacey. So I ask again, Lacey, for clarification as to the circumstances under which ISPs would be contacted, whether that would be only for material posted on this site or it would include things posted on other sites, in PMs, etc.

I'd like to see something saying that under no circumstances, excepting criminal activity, will an ISP be contacted. Or something similar to that. Or, if the policy is different, I'd like to be told that, and have it explained, in detail, what the policy is.

Lacey? Anyone? Bueller?

Actually she did address that in another thread. Something to the effect of ISP's won't be contacted unless criminal activity has occurred or something.

This is exactly why these questions all need to be addressed in ONE thread. If you want to see what was exactly said it's in her welcome thread. I'm not about to read all those pages again. :)

[carrie9142]

IMO, people are going to keep talking about it until some shit gets answered honestly. I know we would all like "The Administrators" to admit fault or that they made a mistake. But, I think it is clear that they are absolutely not going to do that.

The facts are these:

This was started b/c WC went to hell. None of the admins listened to us and only cared about their advertising revenue. Every e-mail was ignored. Every thread was locked or deleted. They continued to post useless nonsense ignoring completely the shitstorm going on.

So someone set up WC_on_LJ to discuss, off boards!, WTF was going on. Through the course of this, Katy decided to open up CC. This was going to be different since it was "ours" and modded by "one of us". Surely, this admin wouldn't screw us over!

All of the first 4 women banned were a part of starting CC. Two were mods for a long time. All were prolific posters. Lyndsey even solicited donations when Katy "complained" in her LJ about how expensive CC is to run and how they were barely breaking even. What? Oh, yes all 4 banned (I think it was all four. It was at least 2) were on Katy's Friend's List on LJ. Isn't that nice? We can be friends with the admins! She doesn't snark about us in other people's LJs at all, y'all. I have personally *never* seen something like that. And that snark forum in the mod lounge that EVERYONE saw by accident? Not real!

One day Katy closes her LJ and de-friends everyone. No big deal, it is her journal. Several of the banned people e-mailed or PMed her to ask if she was ok, out of genuine concern for their friend. They were patently ignored, or answered with "I'm fine." Which again, is her right. But, as far as friendship goes, is a pretty crappy way to treat a friend. The banned got annoyed at how lightly their friendship was taken and said some pissy things to Katy ON LIVEJOURNAL. One started a thread asking for help with a work situation that Katy thought was mocking her. One was just along for the ride. They got banned. There is no rule that you can't talk about CC outside of CC. In addition, they received a group email from Katy which showed their email addresses to one another. That is *actually* a violation of Katy's TOS. They were then threatened to be turned into their ISPs. Which is laughable, really.

Katy took a private matter ON LIVEJOURNAL and made a crappy, personal decision about how to run a business. The administration has behaved EXACTLY how the admin at WC did at the time of its collapse. When some of us got wind of everything going on, we came to CC to ask what was up. We were ignored. Deleted. Locked. Eventually, due to someone's extreme paranoia in thinking we were out to get her, CC got closed. We lost editing capabilities and were told our words are not our own anymore. Journals were locked with no warning. A new admin has been brought on board to do Katy and Richard's dirty work. She has already lied several times about the circumstances-what she knows and doesn't know. We all know Katy told her exactly what happened and what not to allow.

For all of those of you who are 'out of the drama' or whatever. Fine! The 4 women banned were out of the drama for the most part, too. They were mods. They were contributors. They were financial supporters of the site. They were some of the original founding members. And they were banned for a personal reason for something that happened offsite. So, be careful what you post. Katy et. al is policing the internet and will ban you for posting something negative about her on another site. So you aren't in the drama. This time. But next time, it could be you. You could get banned b/c Katy doesn't like what your post is about or feels it is about her. You could get "glitched" b/c you want to discuss vaccination. So enjoy! Post away! I am not extremely close to those that got banned, but I will go to bat for any member who gets treated like shit b/c of a perceived personal attack.

Those of us who like CC and want it to be handled fairly and be a nice place will continue to try and find a balance b/t crazy-ass moderation and the deadness that has been going on lately.
And how ironic is it that the original WCfriends and self-proclaimed "mean girls" are suddenly jumping into defend the heavy handed means of the administration! People I have seen come here specifically to post something bitchy and personal and 'taken from another thread'.

[Kanga]

However, I find it hard to believe that people were banned for doing "nothing wrong".

Nothing written in the rules anyways, according to Katy (http://www.adminfusion.com/forums/58-handling-problem-members/19264-how-do-you-do-need-advice.html). The 4 were banned after they snarked in LJ about how things were handled on the board. Linda was later banned for posting in a thread before the shutdown for outing Katy on the tachey goes to coventry and miserable users groups.

[phoenics]

Ruh roh!

[Hangin'in]

Bravo, Carrie! Well summarized!

[laura]

We all know Katy told her exactly what happened and what not to allow.

Really? How do "we" know?

And how ironic is it that the original WCfriends and self-proclaimed "mean girls" are suddenly jumping into defend the heavy handed means of the administration! People I have seen come here specifically to post something bitchy and personal and 'taken from another thread'.

The irony is that I have seen multiple mentions of WCF affiliated with this drama, and no one from there is at all affiliated. But I would love examples of "defense of heavy handed means of the administration" - feel free to PM me!

[solongtogo]

Why does WCF always have to be brought up every single time, even when none of them are involved? Give it a rest.

[Yvangeline]

Eventually, due to someone's extreme paranoia in thinking we were out to get her, CC got closed.

Just curious as to who the "someone" referred to is - Katy?

[jeepgirl]

The facts are these:


A new admin has been brought on board to do Katy and Richard's dirty work. She has already lied several times about the circumstances-what she knows and doesn't know. We all know Katy told her exactly what happened and what not to allow.


Could you please clarify how you know this? I read what Katy posted and have come to my own conclusions based on actions. (I am very much not ok with how things were handled.) I also, FINALLY read portions of wc_on_lj last week (I had tried to find it before, right after the journals were shut down, but couldn't for some reason). Based on what I've read I don't see how you could know this is a fact? I'm not saying it isn't, I just really don't want someone who, whether she knew the whole story or not, to be "bashed" like this as a newcomer to the site. Why not give her a chance? Don't you think its possible that she is learning about what's been going on behind the scenes right along with the rest of us? What makes you think that Katy would have been 100% honest with her before she took over?

One started a thread asking for help with a work situation that Katy thought was mocking her.

Actually, if you go back and read the lj thread, if I remember correctly the poster who posted this admitted that she was partially being snarky. Kudos to her for being honest, even if it wasn't exactly responding to frustration in a healthy way. It appears to me that both sides really aren't totally on the up and up (as they say, there are two sides to every story). The difference is, the members that were banned didn't shut down the site/journals. The previous admin did. However, the only way confidence can be put in what is said here is if we're all honest (about both sides of the story).

[maryanne]

Trust me, I wanted to ignore all of this, and not get stuck in the drama. It all seemed personal and reactionary on both sides. I thought that the banning of such prominant members seemed extreme, but since I missed the original thread where it played out, I felt that I was not in a postion to judge.

Unfortunately, the fallout did not stop at the bannings. The continued actions that Katy took in the following weeks has disgusted and scared me. She threatened to go to the ISP's of the banned possibly jepordizing their jobs, and she held our words hostage without warning.

Then I found out about her methods of censorship of employing techniques like "tachey goes to coventry" and the "miserable users groups".

sadly because of this, I have lost complete trust in her and this site.

It seems such a shame that someone's petty actions could potentionally destroy HER own website, but it has.

(Just because the numbers were up over a holiday, does not mean that they will stay up! Many of those clicks were to see what was happening as fallout to this situation)

The only way that this community can become strong again is if these concerns are openly addressed. Lacey claims that Katy is no longer a mod--I would love to hear what the poster Katy has to say about her actions and I would hope that she would apologize for what she has done to those of us who were caught in the windstorm.

I would like to see the original thread become available for read only--so we can make up our minds on what happened.

I would like guarentees that TPTB will not act so vindictively to all its users, because of the alledged actions of a few.

Ignoring this situation and making Lacey deal with this is cowardly. Please step up and own your words and actions.

You Katy, are the key to healing this situation.

[jeepgirl]

Trust me, I wanted to ignore all of this, and not get stuck in the drama. It all seemed personal and reactionary on both sides. I thought that the banning of such prominant members seemed extreme, but since I missed the original thread where it played out, I felt that I was not in a postion to judge.

Unfortunately, the fallout did not stop at the bannings. The continued actions that Katy took in the following weeks has disgusted and scared me. She threatened to go to the ISP's of the banned possibly jepordizing their jobs, and she held our words hostage without warning.

Then I found out about her methods of censorship of employing techniques like "tachey goes to coventry" and the "miserable users groups".

sadly because of this, I have lost complete trust in her and this site.

It seems such a shame that someone's petty actions could potentionally destroy HER own website, but it has.

(Just because the numbers were up over a holiday, does not mean that they will stay up! Many of those clicks were to see what was happening as fallout to this situation)

The only way that this community can become strong again is if these concerns are openly addressed. Lacey claims that Katy is no longer a mod--I would love to hear what the poster Katy has to say about her actions and I would hope that she would apologize for what she has done to those of us who were caught in the windstorm.

I would like to see the original thread become available for read only--so we can make up our minds on what happened.

I would like guarentees that TPTB will not act so vindictively to all its users, because of the alledged actions of a few.

Ignoring this situation and making Lacey deal with this is cowardly. Please step up and own your words and actions.

You Katy, are the key to healing this situation.

I totally agree.

[Hangin'in]

Lacey has stated herself in a couple of different threads that she was TOLD or DIRECTED NOT TO REINSTATE THOSE BANNED MEMBERS...( Item number 6 in her Questions and Suggestions thread under board business). I find it very unlikely that she is just humming along without figuring everything out on her own with no OTHER guidance from TPTB. If she's not an alter ego of Katy, then she is an EMPLOYEE, and she has not been given FREE REIGN.

[AttyGrl74]

I would like to see the original thread become available for read only--so we can make up our minds on what happened.

I don't believe that there was a thread here about it. Or which led to it. The thread was on Livejournal, in the WC_on_LJ group.

Unless I am sorely mistaken the bannings occurred as a result of posts made only on LJ and not in threads here on CC.

[carrie9142]

Well said, maryanne!!

Re: Lacey-sorry this is just my opinion. When she first started she 'didn't know anything about' the bannings. More and more is coming out about what she has been told and 'allowed' to do. I don't think she is being completely truthful, but again, that is my opion. I find it hard to believe Katy would just hand over the reins without some explanation. Especially with the mess Lacey has to clean up.

True, mla did admit to being snarky. But, she was also posting about a situation that actually did come up at work. The mistake was not banning Katy from wc_on_lj ;)

And the fact that the formerly "glitched" member Linda Loo got banned for stating that Katy had intentionally glitched her with a specific hack-as proven by her posts on different admin boards...utter and complete bullshit. That is just a reactionary banning to cover her ass.

[jeepgirl]

Well said, maryanne!!

Re: Lacey-sorry this is just my opinion. When she first started she 'didn't know anything about' the bannings. More and more is coming out about what she has been told and 'allowed' to do. I don't think she is being completely truthful, but again, that is my opion. I find it hard to believe Katy would just hand over the reins without some explanation. Especially with the mess Lacey has to clean up.

True, mla did admit to being snarky. But, she was also posting about a situation that actually did come up at work. The mistake was not banning Katy from wc_on_lj ;)

And the fact that the formerly "glitched" member Linda Loo got banned for stating that Katy had intentionally glitched her with a specific hack-as proven by her posts on different admin boards...utter and complete bullshit. That is just a reactionary banning to cover her ass.

Thanks for clarifying! :)

[myshel]

I've been reading along (and haven't really posted anything, because I don't know what I can say about the issue that others haven't said but...) and wanted to ask a sincere question. Many people have been calling for answers-- from Lacey and from Katy. What will you do if your call for answers isn't ever met? What does that mean for you, as an individual?

[myshel]

Hmm... threadkill? :p I guess the reason I posed the question is the fact that I honestly don't see a "Sunday-come-to-Jesus" meeting happening anytime soon. Do I think questions should be answered? YES! Do I think the things many of you have brought up and wished to have addressed will ever be discussed in an open public forum by those most intimately involved? No.

[Yvangeline]

I think it's a good question, myshel. I'm also curious what people's reactions will be if they *do* get answers but they're not the answers that they're hoping for (i.e., if Katy *doesn't* straight up 'fess up to what she's been accused of, etc.). What do people foresee will make them feel satisfied, and what will it take for all of this to end?

[myshel]

I don't know... I guess where I'm coming from is that most of us IRL have experienced situations where no matter what, we never get the answers we seek. There comes a crossroads where you have to decide which direction to head. Personally, in some cases, I've kept up the search until I exhausted it and the people involved. In other cases, I just accepted the fact that things were going nowhere and moved on. I'm not saying the one approach is better than the other. I really do think it's situational and personal.

If answers don't come, are people leaving forever?
If answers don't come, can people be healed?
If answers don't come, can people accept the fact that CC as they once knew it is different beast?
If answer don't come, will people move past the sense of betrayl they feel?

[PG-rated]

Hmm... threadkill? :p I guess the reason I posed the question is the fact that I honestly don't see a "Sunday-come-to-Jesus" meeting happening anytime soon. Do I think questions should be answered? YES! Do I think the things many of you have brought up and wished to have addressed will ever be discussed in an open public forum by those most intimately involved? No.
ITA with you myshel. I'm sure Katy will never come back to make things right. I think it's clear that the remaining mods are OK with how things happened and have thrown in with the new administration. I'm undecided yet how Lacey will handle things; sometimes she seems to want to be honest and open, other times she seems to move into CYA mode. But ultimately she cannot be held responsible for things that happened before her time.

I, personally, am not asking for answers or apologies about what happened in the past, simply because I think they will never come. I've been posting pretty regularly about this mess only because I think it's important for people to understand what happened, and to know that the agreement they thought was in place when they became members is no longer something they can trust. I've deleted certain information from my own posts that I felt to be too sensitive to remain here, and I plan to move forward in this community very carefully from now on. This probably means that the "content" I'm willing to offer will be more guarded and less personal, and probably less useful as a result. I would like certain assurances about how business will be conducted, but even if I get them, I'll remember how easy it is for the owner/operator of a site to violate its own TOS with no consequences.

ETA: I've already accepted that CC will never be the same to me, regardless of if/when any answers come. I was pretty sad about it, but it's the reality of the situation and I can't change it.

[mrs webb]

What is wc on lj? :confused:

[maryanne]

just an update to my post incase people do not know what they mean

Tachy goes to Coventry (as defned in wiktionary)=

The phrase has been adapted by Internet forum programmers, particularly the popular vBulletin programme which has the "Tachy goes to Coventry" option where a forum administrator can cause a user to be automatically "ignored" by all users (rendering their posts invisible).


miserable user groups =


The ever popular "miserable users" hack for vb 3.6. Basically a way to really annoy anyone you don't want visiting your forum. This version is based on the vb 3.5 version. Credit to Zzed, and KuraFire for the pre 3.5 versions.

When classed as miserable, a member suffers ;

1. Slow response (time delay) on every page (20 to 60 seconds default).
2. A chance they will get the "server busy" message (50% by default).
3. A chance that no search facilities will be available (75% by default).
4. A chance they will get redirected to another preset page (25% & homepage by default).
5. A chance they will simply get a blank page (25% by default).
6. Post flood limit increased by a defined factor (10 times by default).
7. If they get past all this okay, then they will be served up their proper page.

[jeepgirl]

Do I expect [as in feel entitled to] an apology? yes. Do I think we'll get one? No. Would I like to be proved wrong? yes. I tend to be unrealistically optimistic at times. I'm ok with that. ;)

As to what I'll do? I am already doing it. Other than today, overall I've been on the boards much, much less, and I think that'll probably continue. I'm making arrangements to journal elsewhere (today has been the first time I've really had time to do so, plus, I have been kinda watching things here to see how they will be handled with the new admin.) I'll probably still frequent the boards to post questions now and then, and glean information since, at least over the last couple of years, there has been so many knowledgeable members here. For me the boards will never be what they were, at least I don't think so. I guess that's life though. Things change sometimes when we wish they wouldn't.

[carrie9142]

Honestly, I bet Katy is counting on that 1) not everyone knows what is going on (decreasing in likelihood) 2) we are all too addicted to leave, so we just suck it up 3) the troublemakers leave and she doesn't have to answer anymore questions. She gets money for having eyes on the page, so she will want to do anything to keep that. Like reinstating journals, putting some of the ATF in new posts.

I agree that all of us bitching isn't going to do a hell of a lot if we keep coming here and posting and contributing to the community.

Personally, beyond this thread I will not be contributing to CC. I can't say that I won't lurk along for entertainment value, but I don't really want to post anything that supports or makes this community more appealing to future members or advertisers. It is also possible that I installed certain software that takes away certain revenue generating content for CC. ;)

[imagirliegirl]

Since we're airing our feelings, I HATE the new ads. Chinese mail order brides? Marry a millionaire? Meet local female singles? Really?

[kristin]

Does this mean the national CC convention isn't happening :rolleyes:?

[JenniferEC]

just an update to my post incase people do not know what they mean

Tachy goes to Coventry (as defned in wiktionary)=

The phrase has been adapted by Internet forum programmers, particularly the popular vBulletin programme which has the "Tachy goes to Coventry" option where a forum administrator can cause a user to be automatically "ignored" by all users (rendering their posts invisible).


miserable user groups =


The ever popular "miserable users" hack for vb 3.6. Basically a way to really annoy anyone you don't want visiting your forum. This version is based on the vb 3.5 version. Credit to Zzed, and KuraFire for the pre 3.5 versions.

When classed as miserable, a member suffers ;

1. Slow response (time delay) on every page (20 to 60 seconds default).
2. A chance they will get the "server busy" message (50% by default).
3. A chance that no search facilities will be available (75% by default).
4. A chance they will get redirected to another preset page (25% & homepage by default).
5. A chance they will simply get a blank page (25% by default).
6. Post flood limit increased by a defined factor (10 times by default).
7. If they get past all this okay, then they will be served up their proper page.
Thank you for posting this. Craziness!

[imagirliegirl]

Does this mean the national CC convention isn't happening :rolleyes:?

LOL!

Well hell, I already had my tickets. :p

[suzubeane]

I think that comments like that do a severe disservice to women.

It wouldn't be such a 'severe disservice' if it weren't true - and again I'll say IMOIf it's true for you (that bitching and snarking breed when wherever women congregate, to paraphrase) then I feel sorry for you. But don't try to take all owmen down with you, thank you very much. Sure, you could say I'm being less than nice right now, but it's because you said something idiotic and damaging - not because we are both women.

I'll be the first to admit I don't know the whole story, what happened to who and when.Then I suggest you read Carrie's excellent recap in post 71 of this thread. Also, know when you read "Katy's side" that her remarks about the banned members trying to "create a lynch mob mentality" are complete fabrications. No sabotage was planned, carried out or even suggested to non-banned members. In fact, the opposite is true.

I think the part where she threatened said users with reporting "malicious" activity to their ISPs (ie. their employers) crossed a line for a lot of people. That would be true for me, coupled with the aforementioned false allegations. Before that, I saw the bannings as having been an impulsive choice made out of hurt feelings - something that might not have devolved into the present situation if the aftermath had been handled better.

The irony is that I have seen multiple mentions of WCF affiliated with this drama, and no one from there is at all affiliated.*shrug* that's the first I've seen of it.

Why does WCF always have to be brought up every single time, even when none of them are involved? Give it a rest.You know what I'd like given a rest? Any WCF whining "we're always blamed!" when the majority of members here don't know, or even wonder who you are until you a.) whine like this or b.) make oh-so-clever veiled references to yourselves. Seriously - no one cares. I suppose that leaves me open to being told I MUST wish I was sitting at the cool kids table, but really - no one gives a rat's ass.

Oh, and if you respond, please think of something better than a popcorn joke . (Isn't there some kind of basic requirement to be cleverly sarcastic in order to belong to that group? Geez!)

[carrie9142]

Since we're airing our feelings, I HATE the new ads. Chinese mail order brides? Marry a millionaire? Meet local female singles? Really?

Really? Because I haven't seen a single ad. Hmm...;)

ETA:Also, know when you read "Katy's side" that her remarks about the banned members trying to "create a lynch mob mentality" are complete fabrications. No sabotage was planned, carried out or even suggested to non-banned members. In fact, the opposite is true.

And when you read her side notice that she calls one of CC's members mentally unstable. Niiice!

[imagirliegirl]

Really? Because I haven't seen a single ad. Hmm...;)


I guess they just know what I like? :p

[malala]

What the heck is WCF?

[Soulmate]

What the heck is WCF?I'm sure someone has much better details than me. But from what I understand, back during the WC days a group of posters who are now members of this board created an LJ account where they would do some seriously nasty things. For example they would pull pics posters would post of themselves/children/wedding and make some really nasty comments about it. That is why some people don't post personal pics of themselves here. They would also jump into threads that had some drama potential and stir it up (or was that the LJ catfight deal?) and then watch the drama unfold. Once you know about this you can see their tactics from a mile away. But it was/is (is it still around?) some heinously evil stuff. Please correct me if I'm wrong about any of this since it was a long time ago and I could have some facts mixed up.

[malala]

Thank you for filling me in Soulmate, that's pretty awful. Are some of those people still here, doing the same stuff?

[yby1]

You know what I'd like given a rest? Any WCF whining "we're always blamed!" when the majority of members here don't know, or even wonder who you are until you a.) whine like this or b.) make oh-so-clever veiled references to yourselves. Seriously - no one cares. I suppose that leaves me open to being told I MUST wish I was sitting at the cool kids table, but really - no one gives a rat's ass.


The posters posted in response to this:


And how ironic is it that the original WCfriends and self-proclaimed "mean girls" are suddenly jumping into defend the heavy handed means of the administration! People I have seen come here specifically to post something bitchy and personal and 'taken from another thread'.

FWIW, I don't really want anyone to care. I don't give a shit. I'm parallel to this drama. I don't care if I've ever been "hacked" (or that I will be) or that my words were held hostage or that some members were banned and that others are leaving. I DON'T CARE. I'm going to keep posting about movies, food and reusable bags and making the occasional jokes to my dear friends here because I know that you love it so much...camaraderie is a wonderful thing. If the powers that be decide to contact my IP for posting about a new German film, which suzu deems as a veiled reference to my cheeky community...I really have no fear of that. I never thought that CC wasn't a business. I feel bad for admin for having to put up with all that she does - including any drama I may have caused. I don't really care for answers. She made I business decision and I'm going to keep posting about the topic du jour.

[Soulmate]

And how ironic is it that the original WCfriends and self-proclaimed "mean girls" are suddenly jumping into defend the heavy handed means of the administration! People I have seen come here specifically to post something bitchy and personal and 'taken from another thread'.I just wanted to defend you on this statement and I thought the same exact thing.

Thank you for filling me in Soulmate, that's pretty awful. Are some of those people still here, doing the same stuff?The posters are still here but I'm not sure if they are still doing it or not. Many have had children since then so I hope not.

[suzubeane]

Thank you for filling me in Soulmate, that's pretty awful. Are some of those people still here, doing the same stuff?Meh - I suspect the activity is mostly limited to snarking and nothing more dangerous than that. People snark off-site - that's nothing new. The aforementioned whining and veiled references (that typically start conversations like yours) are more annoying than anything else.

eta:

If the powers that be decide to contact my IP for posting about a new German film, which suzu deems as a veiled reference to my cheeky community...

I deem what exactly what? I don't know WTF you're talking about.

[yby1]

I just wanted to defend you on this statement and I thought the same exact thing.

The posters are still here but I'm not sure if they are still doing it or not. Many have had children since then so I hope not.

Your second statement is correct. NO. Many of us are busy with children, work and life in general to really and truly care about this current situation. Personally speaking, I can see where things could have been handled better for an admin standpoint, but I really don't want to fight about it.

[yby1]

I deem what exactly what? I don't know WTF you're talking about.

Good. Is it a veiled reference or not? You'll never know. :p

[suzubeane]

Oh, no! How will I sleep tonight?!

[yby1]

Oh, no! How will I sleep tonight?!

Ambien? Just make sure you take only one.

[Soulmate]

Your second statement is correct. NO. Many of us are busy with children, work and life in general to really and truly care about this current situation. Personally speaking, I can see where things could have been handled better for an admin standpoint, but I really don't want to fight about it.My statement about having children was more in reference to morality than to time management.

[yby1]

My statement about having children was more in reference to morality than to time management.

so..it's ironic that some of us are defending admin instead or joining the mob because of our morals? How is that ironic?

[laura]

I'm sure someone has much better details than me. But from what I understand, back during the WC days a group of posters who are now members of this board created an LJ account where they would do some seriously nasty things. For example they would pull pics posters would post of themselves/children/wedding and make some really nasty comments about it. That is why some people don't post personal pics of themselves here. They would also jump into threads that had some drama potential and stir it up (or was that the LJ catfight deal?) and then watch the drama unfold. Once you know about this you can see their tactics from a mile away. But it was/is (is it still around?) some heinously evil stuff. Please correct me if I'm wrong about any of this since it was a long time ago and I could have some facts mixed up.

That is a thoroughly enlightening overview. But damn, I always miss the truly evil good times, I guess!

And btw, carrie - I'm still anxiously awaiting your PM with details! (as my intent in requesting the PM was not to derail this thread in this direction)

[yby1]

(as my intent in requesting the PM was not to derail this thread in this direction)

You can't let your morals get in the way, remember that! :rolleyes:

[Yvangeline]

Popcorn references are *so* 2001.

[shopaholic]

Does this mean the national CC convention isn't happening :rolleyes:?

but I already booked my ticket :eek:

[shopaholic]

LOL!

Well hell, I already had my tickets. :p

LOL, I didn't even notice you said this too....

[Kimberland30]

If it's true for you (that bitching and snarking breed when wherever women congregate, to paraphrase) then I feel sorry for you. But don't try to take all owmen down with you, thank you very much. Sure, you could say I'm being less than nice right now, but it's because you said something idiotic and damaging - not because we are both women.

I didn't say ALL women. I specifically said "Unfortunately where ever a bunch of women congregate, whether it be IRL or online, there is bound to be grumblings and snarkiness. It's the nature of the beast". I also said "My comment was based on what I've seen in the workplace, and a few community groups I belong to IRL." And "I'm all for "speaking what you feel", but there is a difference between posting a vent and posting a snarky comment just to keep the drama going."

Case in point...if the below quote is true. I happen to believe it because back in the WC days, there were several members who would post some pretty snarky things in their journals that were "veiled" attempts to create more drama. The readers/posters of those journals would go into threads and post a smart-ass comment and just keep the fire burning. It's happened here a few times that I've seen. Sorry, but to me it's no different than IRL where you have your groups of drama queens that do the same thing.

I'm sure someone has much better details than me. But from what I understand, back during the WC days a group of posters who are now members of this board created an LJ account where they would do some seriously nasty things. For example they would pull pics posters would post of themselves/children/wedding and make some really nasty comments about it. That is why some people don't post personal pics of themselves here. They would also jump into threads that had some drama potential and stir it up (or was that the LJ catfight deal?) and then watch the drama unfold. Once you know about this you can see their tactics from a mile away. But it was/is (is it still around?) some heinously evil stuff. Please correct me if I'm wrong about any of this since it was a long time ago and I could have some facts mixed up.

[Toonces]

Thank you for filling me in Soulmate, that's pretty awful. Are some of those people still here, doing the same stuff?

Probably not the really bad stuff, but snarking? Most likely. Even if it's not WCF anymore or CCF... perhaps some other snarky-named LJ.

I know very few people who don't snark. If you don't, more power to you. If you do, I honestly think it's human nature. :shrug:

[imagirliegirl]

LOL, I didn't even notice you said this too....

Yeah. Copy cat. :D

[NotDesperate]

I think the part where she threatened said users with reporting "malicious" activity to their ISPs (ie. their employers) crossed a line for a lot of people.




I think that is pretty wrong considering she is the one who wanted us all to come to CC while at work. I remember once posting something about posting from work and not it being wrong but something about it and she was the first one to say that if people did not access CC from work then this site might not even exist so "lets not go down that road." Then she uses that against people? That is so wrong! These people helped build this site and she could have handled it a lot better. Plus, I wouldn't blame anyone for not accessing this site from work anymore and then where would her site be.

BTW, does she still own CC?

And also, what the heck is TPTB?

[HollyMN]

TPTB = The Powers That Be

[NotDesperate]

TPTB = The Powers That Be

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh thank you so so much, that has been driving me crazy!!!!

[maryanne]

Sorry about being cryptic, Not Desperate ;) I slipped into language from the other website that I am involved in.

[NotDesperate]

That's ok! Actually I have seen it every where lately and I didn't want to ask and pretend I knew instead but I couldn't stand it anymore! ;)

[Ribbit]

TPTB = The Powers That Be

I kept thinking it was The People That Bite :D

[Foley42]

I used to love getting on CC daily, but it's really gone downhill. It's not the same and I don't think it ever will be.

[NotDesperate]

I kept thinking it was The People That Bite :D

LOL!


Foley you're right, it's not the same. It is so boring and quiet and I don't feel as connected with CC as I used to. The only threads still worth sticking around for, for me, are the AFT threads and since we are now TTC I read them a lot.

[LyLMyssChaos]

Something that has been brought up in this thread that I find very concerning is the accusation that mods are reading PM's. I would like to know if that is true? Obviously, this is a private site, so the mods can/will do whatever they like. I also realize that this is the internet, so one should be careful to not disclose too much information. However, I may choose to not use PM anymore if it truly is not private.

[VASLP]

I used to love getting on CC daily, but it's really gone downhill. It's not the same and I don't think it ever will be.

I'm hoping that once everything calms down, and all this is in the more remote past, as new people sign on and discover the boards it will become more active again.
Granted I'm more of a lurker with occassional post but I've been a member for a few years and and every so often a major poster leaves or YAGEs and I think things will be quiet, then new people sign on to take their place.
Maybe I'm an optimist, but I kind of look at it like a neighborhood. As the older set moves out the neighborhood goes quiet for a while then as new people move in it comes back to life.
Keep in mind, shortly, as new members join they will not know how the boards "used to be" so they won't feel the difference like the rest of us do. I'm not ready to give up quite yet.....;)

[Adaya]

Something that has been brought up in this thread that I find very concerning is the accusation that mods are reading PM's. I would like to know if that is true? Obviously, this is a private site, so the mods can/will do whatever they like. I also realize that this is the internet, so one should be careful to not disclose too much information. However, I may choose to not use PM anymore if it truly is not private.

ITA. This is one of many things that really really bothers me.

[Asha]

Granted I'm more of a lurker with occassional post but I've been a member for a few years and and every so often a major poster leaves or YAGEs and I think things will be quiet, then new people sign on to take their place.
there haven't really been too many of those, and, imo, they weren't really integral to the functioning of this board. there is only one person who yage'd before all of this that i actually miss. people who are leaving and will leave soon are users who have 1,000's of posts. the lurkers better step up or this site will probably die.

what i loved about this site is the different intelligent and caring personalities we had here. even though there were squabbles, there seemed to be a mutual respect among the members. the actions done by the admins/owners of this site undercut that respect we had for each other.

[sea74]

Something that has been brought up in this thread that I find very concerning is the accusation that mods are reading PM's. I would like to know if that is true? Obviously, this is a private site, so the mods can/will do whatever they like. I also realize that this is the internet, so one should be careful to not disclose too much information. However, I may choose to not use PM anymore if it truly is not private.

Ditto! After I read mentions that mod/admin were reading our PMs I felt very violated! I'm been very wary of PMing now and the thought my my "private" messages are not very private REALLY bothers me :mad:

[Niobe]

Something that has been brought up in this thread that I find very concerning is the accusation that mods are reading PM's. I would like to know if that is true? Obviously, this is a private site, so the mods can/will do whatever they like. I also realize that this is the internet, so one should be careful to not disclose too much information. However, I may choose to not use PM anymore if it truly is not private.

Is it still true now? I have no freaking clue. Has it happened in the past? According to people who would have definitely been in a position to know (including someone it happened to), yes. I don't believe it was all mods who had that ability though, just the admins. I think it's a vB hack, so it may have been turned off by Lacey, if she was ever made aware of it (guess she has been now).

Personally, I'd take any correspondence of a sensitive nature to off-site email.

[shouldaeloped]

where are the mods? 135 posts about this and not one mod has stepped in to say anything? is that intentional? Hello???????

[Lacey]

The ability to read others' PMs is a vBulletin hack. We upgraded the forums Friday, and any time vBulletin is upgraded, all hacks/code mods must be reinstalled because the forum's .php files are overwritten. So, whatever was installed previously is gone now, and I won't be installing anything like that in the future.

[jennylou]

AFAIK - there were never any hacks installed on the site. Simply put, Richard didn't want them b/c he felt they made the site vulnerable to being hacked. And there were some pretty cool looking hacks - that weren't mean or anything, just things that seemed like they'd be cool for users.

That said, even if there were some installed without my knowledge, I never could figure out how to read PMs. When posters were saying we could, I tried my darndest to find out how, but couldn't. :confused:

Now, we did read PMs that were forwarded to us by other users. So, yes, PMs were read, but only if they were shared by other members who thought that they were spam, malicious, etc.

[Hangin'in]

The ability to read others' PMs is a vBulletin hack. We upgraded the forums Friday, and any time vBulletin is upgraded, all hacks/code mods must be reinstalled because the forum's .php files are overwritten. So, whatever was installed previously is gone now, and I won't be installing anything like that in the future.

But since Katy and Richard still own the site, and Richard is still an administrator, and Katy is still his wife, and Richard and Katy installed the hacks to begin with, is it really safe to assume that just because YOU won't be installing them, they won't be installed? I mean really.... I don't know you... so I don't know if I trust you or not. I can give you the benefit of the doubt. Katy and Richard, not so much.

I've seen the screen shots of Katy's own words. I've seen the forums where Richard got advice and instruction on how to install these hacks... I've been around from the very beginning here and there are a lot of people saying that TPTB abused their powers and read PM's for their own personal enjoyment, fabricated stories, etc..... and then snarking or making fun of those people behind moderated boards.... none of them are going around and deleting their post and hiding behind a cloak of admin secrecy... they are owning what they say, and putting it out there. I tend to trust those that don't try to run and hide.

I don't tend to trust those who try to cover their tracks when they realize they've been found out.... fabricate stories to make what they have done seem justified, or down and out lie bold faced about it. Or scamper away with tail tucked hoping that if they lay low, everything will just blow over.... or they can send in a clean up crew. Kind of like an old habits never die analogy.... or the cheating spouse... done it once, will do it again..... Those people just don't get my trust back..... they have to earn it, and it's hard earned..... and it's something to think about.....

[kiddo]

the lurkers better step up or this site will probably die.

The admins recent actions aren't exactly encouraging me to post more.

[Hangin'in]

double post

[LittleFredPunkinHead]

AFAIK - there were never any hacks installed on the site. Simply put, Richard didn't want them b/c he felt they made the site vulnerable to being hacked. And there were some pretty cool looking hacks - that weren't mean or anything, just things that seemed like they'd be cool for users.
Wasn't Tachey goes to Coventry a hack? The Miserable Users Group? We know those were used. And those definitely are "mean" ones. If those were used, it seems highly unlikely that they were the only ones.

[BlackMagicRose]

I have no clue as to what happened here on CC. I do know that I loved posting here before and have no reason to stop. I am keeping a low profile until things cool off again here. I miss my journal, but I am unsure about using it again or not.

I do not have many friends here in Austria (I am from the US) and this place has been my sanity many times. My journal was a place to vent all of my frustrations and loneliness. Thanks to all of you who have been there for me. I am just a lonely gal looking for some girl pals to understand me when I need a shoulder to lean on. Without being corny I just wish we could all get along.

I was looking foward to jump into the Family Planning crowds when my husband and I were ready to TTC, but I am not sure if it will be around much longer and that is upsetting.

For now, I am posting on LJ, but honestly, I do not like it as much as here.

[phoenics]

Popcorn references are *so* 2001.

Better than the *so* 1999 references. :p

[phoenics]

I really hope that PMs were never read by Katy and Richard - that just sucks. How horrible. It says 'private' for a reason!

[gardenmommy]

I'm hoping that once everything calms down, and all this is in the more remote past, as new people sign on and discover the boards it will become more active again....
Keep in mind, shortly, as new members join they will not know how the boards "used to be" so they won't feel the difference like the rest of us do. I'm not ready to give up quite yet.....;)

I truely miss some of the banned and non banned members who are no longer here. They contributed on many levels and made this place diverse and thought provoking and an amazing resource. And while I wish this whole thing had never happened I agree with VASLP that I'm not ready to give up. This place can be what WE make it. I think everyone should continue to post their concerns and share issues with admin, but please don't forge that there are hundreds of users who genuinely want to share in this community and see it continue.


what i loved about this site is the different intelligent and caring personalities we had here. even though there were squabbles, there seemed to be a mutual respect among the members. the actions done by the admins/owners of this site undercut that respect we had for each other.

And while I agree with you that my respect of the admins/users has gone out the window, I STILL have plenty of respect for the everyday users who contribute here. For me they are not one and the same and I would love to see this community continue for their sake, and mine.

[Ericka_Jarett]

BlackMagicRose - things will improve some. It's a trust factor with a lot of people. Why I don't like that K & R still own CC and can view and install whatever they want without anyone knowing, I think Lacey is trying her best to improve things. I would be happy with seeing there be no other admins or mods beside Lacey and that way we know exactly who to get an answer from instead of conflicting answers. K was always happy with the fact there were over 5000 here, but looking at the member list 1/4-1/2 of those people never even made 1 post, not even a welcome note. They always talked about how the server couldn't handle it and we needed money to get a new server, the amount was insane and could have been changed to a much less rate. They got a lot of money from those that gave money from here. Get rid of those 0 post usernames (make the names for others to use if they want that way) and purge so many of the old threads no one could ever find (only lucky one was Southerner and she is banned now) since the topics are always coming up again and again anyway. Finding the right thread for a topic at hand now is so hard an takes a lot of searching, which even then many don't have luck finding it.

I personally am not journaling here anymore, I moved my journal a while ago (after getting 2 infractions, afraid would get another and be kicked off without knowing it and lose my whole pregnancy and birth of my kids) before all this drama came up. I have gone through some threads and deleted personal info and may have some deleted from threads I can't get into because they are locked.

K ruined her business in a few simple steps. If any of this was done at another company, we would have been fired (her not an admin now is a step down at least)(like those on Myspace that complain about their jobs and such, now find themselves without work) We all get ticked about things and vent about something, but you have to use wisdom in how you go about venting. Her taking it to an Admin board under the same username was not a good thing to do on her part, but can't change what she got out there now. For me, I will continue to be around here, just won't share so much as I did before. I have "friends" I made on here and don't want to loss touch with them (though many post elsewhere like me so we can talk)

Lacey - welcome and good luck with dealing with all this craziness you were given to repair. Thanks for posting your rules and spelling out everything exactly and not making us guess about the rules, for that I am appreciative

[jennylou]

Wasn't Tachey goes to Coventry a hack? The Miserable Users Group? We know those were used. And those definitely are "mean" ones. If those were used, it seems highly unlikely that they were the only ones.

I believe that the Tachey goes to coventry is a part of the vb software - it's a way to basically silence a user. Has it been used here? Yes, before I became an Admin, so I don't know all the specifics, but I remember two cases where it was used early on for two users who came in at the same time that were stirring the pot - it was effective in that it silenced them and they went away. In hindsight, we probably could have used different avenues, banning or suspensions, but at the time, it was thought to be the best situation without causing more drama. I don't know anything about the miserable users group - sorry.

[kari]

Sometimes I don't know if my lack of computer knowledge hinders or helps me - in this case, I'm gonna go with helps. (hack, tachey coventry, wtf?)

[Asha]

The admins recent actions aren't exactly encouraging me to post more.
i agree. i was responding to another post that said others will just take the place the banned and those that left and the site will eventually return to normal. not so much since those that are leaving and have left are the main posters. even if the admin changes there are still a lot of people who will not come back and/or trust the site to contribute in the way they used to.

[laura]

I get why people are feeling 'violated' on an intellectual level about the possibility of PMs being read, but at the same time, that is a possibility of the 'owner' of any digital means you choose to utilize. I am not defending the action, but the ability to read your email exists most likely somewhere with your ISP. Hopefully they don't read it, but they have the ability to read it, or to use it against you re: criminal actions. I don't see how the ability issue here is different (?).

Now whether katy et al actually did it - I have no clue. I would think it is kind of crappy, but I don't put anything interesting in my PMs and I hardly ever use them. So now I'm wondering - what juicy tidbits do you all put in your PMs?? ;)

[Hangin'in]

I personally am not feeling violated.... I put stuff out on the web, on paper with the knowledge that somewhere down the line it can and will be read. if I don't want it read, I don't put it down on paper.

My issue is more with respect. I have certain expectations from people who are adults.... they are supposed to be responsible and treat others with respect. They are not to act like my toddler. When they run a business, the level of expectation goes up. I expect them to abide by their own rules and TOS that they put in place and expect others to follow. I expect that what's right and fair for one, is what is right and fair for all... When one runs a business, I expect that person to take responsibility for their actions, regardless of whether it is popular or uncomfortable to do so...

Of course, I guess my issues could be resolved if I simply lowered MY expectations.... but really, WHY should I have to do that? I'm teaching my children to be respectful, and own up to their mistakes.... why should I expect any less from an adult?

[Lucy Van Pelt]

So now I'm wondering - what juicy tidbits do you all put in your PMs?? ;)

I sent a great pm to TFDA back in 06. It wouldn't have mattered if an admin read it in my sent mailbox because TFDA forwarded it to a mod and I got *gasp* evil non-expiring demerits!

[laura]

Well I think respect is the key to this entire issue, and it was/is certainly lacking all around. I don't misunderstand the larger issue, I just find the issue of PMs interesting, specifically, I guess, b/c I never assumed they were truly private. I mean I didn't assume the mods were sitting around reading my PMs all day - that would not take long or be interesting - but I guess I never assumed they couldn't, if they wanted to.

ETA: OMG, demerits! Ha. That is another fascinating topic, IMO. I mean who really cares if you get 'demerits' on an internet message board?? Certainly not me, but a lot of people seem pretty twisted about them.

[villanelle75]

While I agree that chances are decent that new users will come in, oblivious to the history, and increase traffic, it's not just numbers that will potentially keep me interested.

Though Katy obvious has an issues with what she termed the "mommy-box" set, the irony is that it seems like the people who primarily use the ATF forums are the ones who stuck around. So her latest antics made the board more of what it was she was mocking. As someone without kids and without plans to change that, those threads have no interest for me, and I've never gotten into the lighter threads like games, so unless action in chitchat and politics picks up, even if I decided I am comfortable with policies, I can't imagine I'll be around much just because the content of a parenting board doesn't interest me. I'm sure that I'm not the only one.

So it isn't just how many posters there are, it's also what's being posted that will determine whether CC pick sup momentum and gets going again. If I had to put money on it, I'd say that going forward, these will be primarily parenting boards, with other stuff on the side, much like WC in it's earlier days was a wedding board with a side dish of socializing.

[meganth]

I've been reading the drama all along and i guess i'm not phased by it. CC is/was Katy's ball and she can play with it how she likes. Yes, it sucks hard, but it's the game. Yes, it sucks that those who feel they are owed an apology will probably never get one.

At the end of the day, CC doesn't love me, CC doesn't keep me warm and night and CC doesn't put food on my table. It's just a place for me to kill time and not really get so worked up over.

[RobynScott]

While I agree that chances are decent that new users will come in, oblivious to the history, and increase traffic, it's not just numbers that will potentially keep me interested.

Though Katy obvious has an issues with what she termed the "mommy-box" set, the irony is that it seems like the people who primarily use the ATF forums are the ones who stuck around. So her latest antics made the board more of what it was she was mocking. As someone without kids and without plans to change that, those threads have no interest for me, and I've never gotten into the lighter threads like games, so unless action in chitchat and politics picks up, even if I decided I am comfortable with policies, I can't imagine I'll be around much just because the content of a parenting board doesn't interest me. I'm sure that I'm not the only one.

So it isn't just how many posters there are, it's also what's being posted that will determine whether CC pick sup momentum and gets going again. If I had to put money on it, I'd say that going forward, these will be primarily parenting boards, with other stuff on the side, much like WC in it's earlier days was a wedding board with a side dish of socializing.


I think you're 100% right - and even though I'm one of the "mommy boxers" (haha) - I'm really going to miss the commentary and discourse I was able to find on other threads (especially politics and the tv threads)

And while the above poster is correct that ConstantChatter doesn't keep me warm at night - as an active user of this community - that fact doesn't keep me from being bothered by the what happened and the way things went down.

And Katy's ball of wax or not - if you choose to have a 'business' and not a personal playground- then you need to run it like a business and not kick people off b/c you got your feelings hurt by something said somewhere else - and then shut the business down b/c you don't want people to be able to talk about it. That was just f'ed up.

If this is not a business and is a personal playground - then that should have been laid out from the beginning - if admin doesn't like you or disagrees with you, then you can get kicked off.

One thing I will say - I'm glad that this thread has been left open and allowed to continue - I think that was needed. (so props to you Lacey for presumably convincing the owners of this site that they couldn't shut this discussion down forever and that people needed a chance to talk about it in the open to get over / stop all of the not so thinly veiled references).

[Kanga]

I sent a great pm to TFDA back in 06. It wouldn't have mattered if an admin read it in my sent mailbox because TFDA forwarded it to a mod and I got *gasp* evil non-expiring demerits!

TFDA?

[JenniferEC]

so unless action in chitchat and politics picks up, even if I decided I am comfortable with policies, I can't imagine I'll be around much
I do spend some time in the parenting forums, but I spend more time in chitchat, politics, gossip and tv. They're all pretty dead right now, which is a shame considering what's going on with the election, Britney's showing off her nipples/having another meltdown and American Idol just started a new season. I've enjoyed coming here to catch up, but this place just isn't the same.

[KristyK]

As an infrequent poster, mostly lurker I don't know what to think. I do agree if this is a business it should be run that way, if it's a personal playground, then yes, TPTB should have been up front with their rules and expectations.

I'm glad to see Lacey here and I think she's taken on a helluva job. I wish her much luck. I'm glad that Katy has stepped down, although personally I never had any issues with her. I think she's just over her head at this point and to step away is best.

I don't think I'm going anywhere at this point. Yes, the banned members added a lot to the boards, and they are most definitely going to be missed, but they aren't the reason why I'm here, and they aren't the reason why I'll leave. I'll be the one to decide for me what's best for me.

I will say, I was pissed as hell when the journals were gone, with no way to even copy mine to anywhere else. I'm glad to see them back, but I'm copying to VOX now, and won't be maintaining my journal here anymore once I'm done with that massive project.

ETA: I would really miss my Britney knowledge if I didn't come here everyday, the young girls at work just love to hear the gossip! :p

[LittleFredPunkinHead]

I believe that the Tachey goes to coventry is a part of the vb software - it's a way to basically silence a user. Has it been used here? Yes, before I became an Admin, so I don't know all the specifics, but I remember two cases where it was used early on for two users who came in at the same time that were stirring the pot - it was effective in that it silenced them and they went away. In hindsight, we probably could have used different avenues, banning or suspensions, but at the time, it was thought to be the best situation without causing more drama. I don't know anything about the miserable users group - sorry.
Whether Tachey goes to coventry or miserable users group were "the best available solutions" at the time or not doesn't really matter to me. My point is just that - whether or not they were comfortable with using hacks, they did use them.

[Ribbit]

TFDA?

Yeah, huh??
The Federated Drone Army? :D
Can you tell I like coming up with my own acronyms...

I think what we really need around here is the NEW POOP FORUM, or something for us all to get distracted by and make us laugh, because it's becoming clear no one is ever going to own up to anything, anyway.

[kam]

I get why people are feeling 'violated' on an intellectual level about the possibility of PMs being read, but at the same time, that is a possibility of the 'owner' of any digital means you choose to utilize. I am not defending the action, but the ability to read your email exists most likely somewhere with your ISP. Hopefully they don't read it, but they have the ability to read it, or to use it against you re: criminal actions. I don't see how the ability issue here is different (?).

You're absolutely right. It is naive to think that anything written on this board isn't stored somewhere. It is very basic. My ISP has the ability to read emails. Do they? Probably not unless they are interested to know that my tax accountant recently acquired NCAA tournament tickets (oooo, ahhhh). And really, why would they?

But my ISP also doesn't feign ignorance or say "We can't do that." It may not be easy or available to everyone but the information is most certainly there. It isn't a "hack" - it is basic logic that for every keystroke that is entered into this board, that information is stored on a database or else it wouldn't be able to exist in people's in/sent boxes. And it is accessible although I can't imagine why someone would want to do that. If I thought a user was being nefarious in their use of PMs, I could just do a simple select statement asking for any PMs sent by that user and I could read it. Do most admins do this? Jenn at LJT says she has the ability to but has absolutely no desire to do so. The PTB at UW most certainly did and we know how that turned out. It is a standard option - the question is not whether it exists but whether it is used or not.

[laura]

I think feigned ignorance is sort of funny, but that's just me. ;)

[jajacobsen]

Since we're airing our feelings, I HATE the new ads. Chinese mail order brides? Marry a millionaire? Meet local female singles? Really?

Completely OT but I AGREE. I hate these ads.

[villanelle75]

Ads? What ads? ;)

[KitKat]

What was supposedly wrong with the "mom-box" set? I never went to the FP section but know so many here are moms.

Or has this question been answered? If there is a place to try to understand it, please point me in that direction. :)

[NotDesperate]

I don't even know what mom-box set means? Does it mean like moms who box, like cat fight? I know it is a joke but I don't get it.

Also, I think it is very rude of her to insult moms considering many of the women here are moms and right now the only threads still thriving are over in ATF.

[jennylou]

Whether Tachey goes to coventry or miserable users group were "the best available solutions" at the time or not doesn't really matter to me. My point is just that - whether or not they were comfortable with using hacks, they did use them.

Again, AFAIK, Tachey is not a hack. Miserable users is, but I'm not familiar with it. AFAIK it hasn't been used on these boards.

[Toonces]

"Mommy Box"... as in the area where all the mommies post; the ATF forum.

[villanelle75]

So just to be clear then, JL and Lacey, you have never read PMs, except when they were reported to you by another user? Or are you saying that going forward, you will no longer read PMs unless they are reported?

[Hangin'in]

CC has ads? Where? I don't see any ads either?

:D

[jennylou]

So just to be clear then, JL and Lacey, you have never read PMs, except when they were reported to you by another user? Or are you saying that going forward, you will no longer read PMs unless they are reported?

I've never read anyone's PMs but my own, unless they were shared with me by another member (and sometimes that would include in the ML - like if a user felt they were being attacked).

And no, I have no plans of reading them going forward, etiher, unless they're reported or they're my own (or I'm CCed on them, or whatever).

[NotDesperate]

And what does AFAIK stand for?

[villanelle75]

As Far As I Know

[jajacobsen]

I don't even know what mom-box set means? Does it mean like moms who box, like cat fight? I know it is a joke but I don't get it.

Also, I think it is very rude of her to insult moms considering many of the women here are moms and right now the only threads still thriving are over in ATF.

I don't think the term "mommy box" really was meant to be insulting. AFAIK, The Mommy Box was literally the view that popped up when the ATF forum was opened. It cam