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lawyerlee
08-02-2005, 09:28 PM
All 309 Survive Toronto Jetliner Crash (http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=1003214)

All 309 Passengers, Crew Escape After Jetliner Skids Off Runway and Breaks Apart in Toronto

By ROB GILLIES

The Associated Press

Aug. 3, 2005 - A jetliner carrying 309 people skidded off a runway while landing in a thunderstorm Tuesday, sliding into a ravine and breaking into pieces, but remarkably everyone aboard survived by jumping to safety in the moments before the plane burst into flames.

As many as 43 people suffered minor injuries in the 4:03 p.m. crash landing of Air France Flight 358 from Paris the first time an Airbus A340 had crashed in its 13 years of commercial service.

The plane, carrying 297 passengers and 12 crew, overran the runway by 200 yards at Toronto's Pearson International Airport, said Steve Shaw, a vice president of the Greater Toronto Airport Authority.

"The plane touched ground and we felt it was going off road and hitting a ravine and that's when we thought that was really the end of it," said Olivier Dubois, a passenger who was sitting in the rear of the aircraft. "It was really, really scary. Everyone was panicking."

The aircraft skidded down a slope into a wooded area next to one of Canada's busiest highways, and some survivors said that passengers scrambled up to the road to catch rides with passing cars.

While Shaw said there were 43 injured passengers, Air France said in a statement that 22 passengers were treated for minor injuries.

Initially, those on board believed they had landed safely and clapped with relief, passenger Gwen Dunlop told The Associated Press.

"Only seconds later, it started really moving and obviously it wasn't OK," said Dunlop. "At some point the wing was off. The oxygen masks never came down; the plane was filling up with smoke."

She said one of the flight attendants tried to calm passengers and tell them that everything was fine.

"One of the hostesses said, `You can calm down, it's OK,' and yet the plane was on fire and smoke was pouring in," Dunlop said. "I don't like to criticize, but the staff did not seem helpful or prepared."

She said the pouring rain, lightning and thunder added to the drama as passengers exited the plane.

"We were just thrown into the weather," she said. "We were all trying to go up a hill; it was all mud and we lost our shoes. We were just scrambling, people with children."

Gay Bopaul said her husband called her on a cell phone shortly after the crash, taking shelter under a bridge. He said the passengers were all sharing their mobile phones so they could call their families.

Roel Bramar, who was in the back of the plane, said he used an escape chute to get out of the plane.

"We had a hell of a roller coaster coming down the ravine," Bramar told CNN.

Bramar and Dubois both said the power went off shortly before landing, perhaps after the plane was hit by lighting.

In his comment to CTV, Dubois said he did not expect a crash landing and that there was no warning from the captain.

"It was very very fast," Dubois said. "As soon as the plane stopped, they immediately opened the side of the plane where we couldn't see anything and they told us to jump."

There was no time to spare.

Just moments after the crash, a portion of the plane's wing could be seen jutting from the trees as smoke and flames poured from the middle of its broken fuselage.

A row of emergency vehicles lined up behind the wreck, and a fire truck sprayed the flames with water. A government transportation highway camera recorded the burning plane, and the footage was broadcast live on television in Canada and the United States.

Rayed Hantash said his brother, 25-year-old Mohammed Hantash, was on the flight and called him on his cell phone immediately after the crash to tell him he was fine.

"As the plane stopped, they jumped off and made their way across to the highway," Hantash said. "I'm going to give him a good hug and good kiss and take him home."

Relatives and friends were taken to the Sheraton hotel at the airport and asked to wait there until the passengers joined them.

Several hours later, passengers in red blankets were taken to the hotel to meet with their loved ones and friends. Some were distressed that they had to go through customs before they were reunited.

Airbus spokeswoman Barbara Kracht said the A340 has never crashed before in its 13 years of commercial service.

Chris Yates, an aviation specialist with Jane's Transport magazine, said the A340 is a very popular "workhorse" among carriers serving Asian and trans-Atlantic routes, with a very good safety record.

Although it was too early to draw any conclusions about the accident, Yates said, "we're probably talking about a weather-related issue here."

Environment Canada had issued a severe weather alert earlier in the day, saying its radar showed a rapidly developing thunderstorm with winds up to about 60 mph. Shaw said the airport had been under a "red alert" since noon, which indicates the potential for lightning, but does not prevent planes from landing or taking off.

Although modern airliners are safer than ever, Yates said, extreme conditions can still be dangerous, especially during takeoff and landing.

"A thunderstorm can happen anywhere it comes down to the judgment of the air traffic controller and the skill of the pilot to determine whether it's appropriate to land or to divert elsewhere," Yates said.

Tuesday's airplane crash in Toronto came exactly 20 years after an American disaster that focused renewed attention to wind shear, a natural phenomenon that can make airplanes drop out of the sky.

While the cause of the Toronto crash has not yet been determined, the fact that it happened during a thunderstorm raises the possibility of wind shear.

The 1985 airline crash at Dallas-Forth Worth airport, which killed more than 137 people, made dealing with wind shear "a national imperative" for the U.S. federal government, said Larry Cornman of the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colo.

Since then, he said Tuesday, systems to detect wind shear have been installed at almost all major airports in the United States. Cornman said the Canadian government investigated installing such systems during the 1990s, but added he did not know how many have been installed.

Wind shear is a sudden change in wind speed or direction. The most dangerous kind, called a microburst, is caused by air descending from a thunderstorm.

The last major jet crash in North America was on Nov. 12, 2001, when American Airlines Flight 587 lost part of its tail and plummeted into a New York City neighborhood, killing 265 people. Safety investigators concluded that the crash was caused by the pilot moving the rudder too aggressively.

The A340 is part of the A330/A340 family of six related aircraft, all sharing the same frame, manufactured by Airbus. The craft owned and flown by Air France is the A340-300.

Associated Press writers Carolyn Thompson and Rebecca Cook contributed to this report from Toronto.

Mrs. M.
08-03-2005, 01:13 AM
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Mrs. M.
08-03-2005, 01:30 AM
Kudos to the crew for acting so quickly to get everybody out so fast, and saving their lives.

(Rant) (http://www.constantchatter.com/showpost.php?p=93119&postcount=9)

Kimberland30
08-03-2005, 06:25 AM
Kudos to the crew for acting so quickly to get everybody out so fast, and saving their lives.

(Rant) (http://www.constantchatter.com/showpost.php?p=93119&postcount=9)

ITA with you and your linked post. That lady sounded a bit ungrateful huh? She's probably French. (no offense to the French here of course!)

kam
08-03-2005, 06:41 AM
In my experience, flight crews are saints for what they have to put up with - this woman is a prime example of it. I am in bewildered awe that everyone made it out safely.

thedoorchick
08-03-2005, 06:48 AM
I am amazed (and grateful) that everyone was OK. Wow, what a story.

As for the oxygen masks, wouldn't that be highly unsafe on a burning plane??? Just a thought.

JenniferEC
08-03-2005, 07:06 AM
Kudos to the crew for acting so quickly to get everybody out so fast, and saving their lives.

(Rant) (http://www.constantchatter.com/showpost.php?p=93119&postcount=9)

You'd think these people would feel lucky to be alive and yet they find something to complain about. I'm sure the lawsuits are starting already.

Mrs. M.
08-03-2005, 08:08 AM
As for the oxygen masks, wouldn't that be highly unsafe on a burning plane??? Just a thought.

The oxy masks are for an in-flight decompression, when the plane loses cabin pressure at high altitudes. Clearly, that passenger had not watched/paid attention to the safety video :p

lawyerlee
08-03-2005, 09:40 AM
In my experience, flight crews are saints for what they have to put up with - this woman is a prime example of it. I am in bewildered awe that everyone made it out safely.
Definitely.


Weather a Factor in Air France Crash (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050803/ap_on_re_ca/canada_plane_crash&printer=1;_ylt=AoAJJEkAfFThrohRqHUwpnZu9L4F;_ylu=X 3oDMTA3MXN1bHE0BHNlYwN0bWE-)

By ROB GILLIES and BETH DUFF-BROWN, Associated Press Writers

Investigators said Wednesday a heavy rainstorm accompanied by lightning and strong winds was a factor that caused an Air France jet to skid off a Toronto runway and burst into flames, prompting 309 passengers and crew to slide down escape chutes in an evacuation that took less than two minutes.

The black boxes of Flight 358 from Paris will be retrieved Wednesday, investigators said. The plane skidded off the runway at Lester B. Pearson International Airport while landing at about 4 p.m. Tuesday in a pounding storm.

The airport was under a "red alert," which indicates potential for lightning but does not prevent planes from landing or taking off, officials said.

Brian Lackey, vice president of operations for the Greater Toronto Airport Authority, said the Airbus A340 had enough fuel to divert to Montreal or another airport where the weather was better, but "that's the pilot's decision."

"It was definitely an extreme storm, something we haven't seen in a long time," Lackey said. "We're very, very grateful that the situation turned out as well as it did."

Air France said 22 people were injured, while Toronto airport officials said 43 were hurt. The wreckage of the jetliner smoldered Wednesday near a busy highway in what a Paris newspaper called "The miracle of the Air France Airbus."

The evacuation of the passengers and crew took less than two minutes, and the co-pilot was the last to leave the flaming wreckage, airport fire chief Mike Figliola said.

Three-quarters of the passengers and crew aboard the plane were able to escape in the 52 seconds it took emergency crews to arrive, he said.

"The crew did a great job. They're trained to get the people off," Figliola said.

At Air France headquarters in Roissy, France, airline chairman Jean-Cyril Spinetta praised the crew.

"I don't know if we should speak of a miracle ... but above all the professionalism of the crew," Spinetta said Wednesday.

The co-pilot, who was in charge of the landing, had 10,700 hours of flying time, and the 57-year-old pilot had 15,000 hours, he said.

Air France bought the aircraft new on Sept. 7, 1999. It was last serviced July 15 and had logged 28,418 flight-hours and 3,711 takeoffs and landings, he said.

Spinetta said it was too early to determine the cause of the crash but promised that Air France would be "totally transparent" in its inquiries into the first crash of an Airbus A340 in its 13 years of commercial service.

The wreckage of the plane smoldered Wednesday just off Highway 401, and Ontario police asked drivers to keep moving and not stare at the remains of the aircraft. Police reported two accidents Tuesday involving gawkers.

The GTAA said Pearson airport was resuming normal operations Wednesday, but delays and cancellations were expected.

Spinetta said passengers would be compensated for all the "physical, moral and material damage" they had suffered.

lawyerlee
08-06-2005, 01:51 AM
Crash jet 'too far down runway' (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4749423.stm)
BBC News

Investigators looking into the Air France jet crash earlier this week are checking reports it may have landed too far down the runway at Toronto airport.

"We do have some information that the aircraft did land long," chief investigator Real Levasseur said.

He added it was too soon to say if this caused the accident.

The Airbus A340 crashed in bad weather on Tuesday, but all of its 309 passengers and crew escaped. Some 43 people were injured.

Quoting data from the ground radar and witnesses, the Globe and Mail newspaper said Flight 358 was "nearly halfway down the 2,800-metre (9,000ft) runway 24L before it touched down".

Asked to comment on the report, Mr Levasseur said: "There are quite a few witnesses that did state that they observed the aircraft landing halfway down the runway.

"The information that I have is that the aircraft landed longer than normally or longer than usual for this type of aircraft.

"If it indeed landed where (witnesses) suggest it did, we'll have to look at all the factors and find out if the aircraft could have been stopped before the end.

"It depends on the conditions of the systems and the weather and the runway conditions and how much water there was there."

An Air France spokesman in Paris declined to comment, saying the carrier would wait for the result of a full investigation before publicly discussing the possible cause of the crash, the Associated Press news agency reports.

A runway's landing zone varies but is generally considered to be from about 275 metres to 450 metres from the threshold, the Globe and Mail says.

Stormy landing

The plane from Paris landed in a storm at 1603 local time (2003 GMT) on Tuesday.

After touching down on the runway, it lurched across the wet tarmac before skidding towards the airport perimeter.

The plane overshot the runway by about 200m (660ft) and came to rest with its tail pointing in the air in a ravine next to Canada's busiest motorway, Highway 401.

Moments after the last survivor clambered away from the jet, the fuselage was engulfed in smoke and flames.

lawyerlee
08-08-2005, 11:55 AM
4 Exits Not Used In Toronto Crash (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/08/06/world/printable763646.shtml)
CBS News

TORONTO, Aug. 6, 2005

Investigators trying to determine why an Air France jet skid off a Toronto runway revealed Saturday that only four of the aircraft's eight doors and emergency exits were used to escape the burning jetliner.

Real Levasseur of Canada's Transportation Safety Board told reporters two of the slides used by the 309 passengers and crew to madly disembark after the crash last Tuesday also didn't work properly, even though they are supposed to automatically unfold when the emergency doors are opened.

The discovery confirms comments by many passengers and witnesses who said some of the slides and emergency exists were not functioning. Some aviation experts have surmised that the impact of the Airbus A340, which slammed into a ravine, might have damaged the exit doors and chutes.

Levasseur said two experts from the U.S. manufacturer of the chutes, Goodrich Corp., and one from the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board were on site looking at why these slides and doors didn't work properly.

Air France Flight 358 landed at Lester B. Pearson International Airport amid heavy thunderstorms last Tuesday, skidding off the east-west runway some 200 yards and then slamming into a ravine.

Remarkably, none of the 309 passengers and crew members died, though at least 43 people were injured and several remained hospitalized Saturday.

Veronique Brachet, an Air France spokeswoman, said the pilot was still in a Toronto hospital with compressed vertebrae.

Meanwhile, a passenger has filed a class-action lawsuit against Air France, Toronto airport authorities and a Canadian private air navigation service, accusing them of negligence in the accident, the Toronto Star reported. The suit, filed Friday in Ontario Superior Court, asks for US$62 million. An Air France spokesman in Paris said the company has no comment on the suit.

The plane's flight data and voice recorders were found intact and investigators said they should have details within days to help them solve the reasons behind the late afternoon crash. There have been questions about whether the 9,000-foot runway is long enough and whether it's safe to have the ravine at the end of the runway.