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shopaholic
06-26-2007, 06:13 PM
FAYETTEVILLE, Ga. (AP) -- WWE wrestler Chris Benoit, his wife and son were found dead Monday and police said they were investigating the deaths as a homicide.

Lt. Tommy Pope of the Fayette County Sheriff's Department said the three were found at their home about 2:30 p.m., but refused to release details.

More here (http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=ap--wrestlerdead&prov=ap&type=lgns)

STAMFORD, Conn., June 26, 2007 – World Wrestling Entertainment is stunned and saddened by the details released by local authorities concerning the double homicide-suicide involving Chris Benoit, his wife, Nancy, and his son, Daniel.
WWE press release (http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/benoitpressrelease)

Ericka_Jarett
06-26-2007, 06:23 PM
was on another board and they were talking about this.

He acted like one person on tv and was another in real life.

He strangled his wife, Nancy, 47 in the office upstairs; suffocated his 7 yr old son in his bedroom both over the weekend and then hung himself in his weight room on Monday.

Absolutely crazy

http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news;_ylt=AnrjVdf0w6NAo9QCzc5kF.SyubYF?slug=ap-wrestlerdead&prov=ap&type=lgns

kugrrly
06-26-2007, 06:30 PM
I was a huge wrestling fan back in the days, and Chris seemed like one of the more "normal" wrestlers. Guess I was wrong!

Ericka_Jarett
06-26-2007, 06:53 PM
kugrrly - I hear ya. Growing up we use to watch the WWF, I never saw Benoit wrestle. Weird though it got me looking for all the old timers from WWF and so many have died quite young at that.

Sophia
06-26-2007, 06:55 PM
They found steroids in the home. I thought "'roid rage" as soon as I heard about the deaths this morning.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/more/06/25/wrestler.dead.ap/index.html?cnn=yes

kugrrly
06-26-2007, 07:01 PM
Weird though it got me looking for all the old timers from WWF and so many have died quite young at that.

Yes, there have been a few. Quite sad.

Kopper
06-26-2007, 07:29 PM
I just don't understand how people can do this. I read that he killed his son the day after his wife. What kind of person kills their family? :(:(

jbenny75
06-26-2007, 07:34 PM
I just don't understand how people can do this. I read that he killed his son the day after his wife. What kind of person kills their family? :(:(

Oh, no. :( I hope that poor little boy didn't know what his dad had done to his mom.

If this happened over a period of days, would roid rage be to blame? Would a "roid rage" last that long?

Ericka_Jarett
06-26-2007, 07:39 PM
They are saying that he killed his wife Saturday morning and the son Saturday afternoon/evening and then himself on Monday morning.

Steroid are such a nasty thing. I was going through a list of deceased WWF stars and at least 1/2-3/4 are from drug OD with steroids involved somewhere along the line.

The Benoit should have just got the divorce back in 2003, at least they all wouldn't be deceased now, especially so terribly for the wife (was said her hands and feet were bound) and son.

lawyergirl25
06-26-2007, 07:42 PM
Weird though it got me looking for all the old timers from WWF and so many have died quite young at that.
And it continues to this generation too. They ran a Benoit memorial show last night in the place of the previously-planned RAW and the final match they showed was Benoit's championship match at WrestleMania 20. It was surreal seeing him and Eddie Guerrero in the ring together at the end - both died very young, very recently. Very sad.

However, I'm not exactly filled with grief for Chris today. He did, after all, kill two innocent people that loved and trusted him more than anyone else in the world. That poor little boy died at his own father's hands, more than a day after his mother was killed in the same house by that same man. I imagine he spent that last day confused and frightened, alone with a father who was in all likelihood completely unhinged. Ugh. I'm sickened just thinking about it.

Ericka_Jarett
06-26-2007, 07:51 PM
I feel sorry for the families, not for him. They have to live with the question of WHY?? No matter what they find in the toxicology report, the families don't know why exactly he killed his family, only he knows why he did it. I can't imagine what his son thought when his dad came into his room. That poor little boy.

I didn't watch the special (didn't ever watch Benoit wrestle, haven't watched wrestling since the 1980's when it was Andre, Hulk, Piper, Savage and those guys) and wonder if now they are a bit sorry to make him seem like such a great guy, he is a murderer.

lawyergirl25
06-26-2007, 08:33 PM
I didn't watch the special (didn't ever watch Benoit wrestle, haven't watched wrestling since the 1980's when it was Andre, Hulk, Piper, Savage and those guys) and wonder if now they are a bit sorry to make him seem like such a great guy, he is a murderer.
To be honest, I haven't watched much in recent months, but I wondered the same thing, so I have WWE on in the background tonight while I work. I haven't heard them even mention him yet (though I did miss the first 5 minutes).

RobynScott
06-27-2007, 05:56 AM
We watched the coverage Monday night (before we knew the cause of death) - well, more specifically, DH did - he is a huge wrestling fan and was really torn up pver Benoit's death. I asked DH if he thinks the WWE would have done the same tribute had they known the cause of death.

According to DH - as the facts have emerged, a lot (if not all) of the Memorial Info / tributes on the WWE homepage have been taken down - I think they are distancing themselves now that the facts are out.

It's just awful - absolutely awful.

jellybeany
06-27-2007, 06:03 AM
I didn't watch the special (didn't ever watch Benoit wrestle, haven't watched wrestling since the 1980's when it was Andre, Hulk, Piper, Savage and those guys) and wonder if now they are a bit sorry to make him seem like such a great guy, he is a murderer.

DH is a wrestling fan so we always watch all of the shows so we watched Monday night. This morning on the wwe website they said after hearing about what happened they have pulled all of the memorial stuff and this is McMahon's quote from last night's ECW.

Last night on Monday Night Raw, the WWE presented a special tribute show, recognizing the career of Chris Benoit. However, now some 26 hours later, the facts of this horrific tragedy are now apparent. Therefore, other than my comments, there will be no mention of Mr. Benoit tonight. On the contrary, tonight's show will be dedicated to everyone who has been affected by this terrible incident. This evening marks the first step of the healing process. Tonight, the WWE performers will do what they do better than anyone else in the world – entertain you.

lawyergirl25
06-27-2007, 06:22 AM
this is McMahon's quote from last night's ECW.
Thanks - guess that 5 minutes was important.

diam124
06-27-2007, 07:04 AM
This story is so sick. I feel so badly for that little boy - I hope he did not see his mother dead before he died. I read today that the boy had old needle marks on his arms and that the parents were giving him growth hormones because he was small. I'm not a doctor, nor do I know much about growth hormones but it seems to me that no 7 year old should be given growth hormones no matter how small they are.

shopaholic
06-27-2007, 07:37 AM
This story is so sick. I feel so badly for that little boy - I hope he did not see his mother dead before he died. I read today that the boy had old needle marks on his arms and that the parents were giving him growth hormones because he was small. I'm not a doctor, nor do I know much about growth hormones but it seems to me that no 7 year old should be given growth hormones no matter how small they are.

I was just coming to post this. I heard it on the news this morning. Sickening.

lawyergirl25
06-27-2007, 07:44 AM
There have been reports that Daniel Benoit had Fragile X Syndrome - see here (http://www.news1130.com/news/topstory/article.jsp?content=20070626_212836_4500).

chefker
06-27-2007, 07:53 AM
I asked DH if he thinks the WWE would have done the same tribute had they known the cause of death.



I honestly don't think they would have. It seems now that McMahon has to eat crow basically - it's being said now that WWE 'regrets' airing a tribute to a murderer, although McMahon didn't come out and say that specifically, that seems to be the intent behind his remarks on WCW (IMO, of course).

I'm guessing they were hoping - as was I - that the deaths were some freak thing (like carbon monoxide poisoning or something), and not homicides.

DH and I are long-time wrestling fans - in fact, that's how we met! - but it seems at least one wrestler dies every year under suspicious circumstances. We've kind of lost our taste for watching it anymore, to be honest. And especially after this horrible tragedy. :( I can't imagine what comes over anyone to do that to their spouse and child....it really is sickening.

Lizard
06-27-2007, 08:00 AM
I was just gonna post the Fragile X thing... apparently Benoit and the family kept it quiet and only a few people knew about it.

I'm a huge wrestling fan, have been for 20+ years, and this is really devastating to me. I loved Benoit as a wrestler, and as what I perceived to be a good influence in the backstage areas. EVERYONE talked about how great of a guy he was, how he worked with young wrestlers and was just overall a great guy. It's so odd to have your perceptions shattered like this.

And, to top it off, WWE is basically erasing his name from history. Nearly all references to Benoit are gone from their website, and they've even removed his name from descriptions of PPV's. His WM20 3-way match is now listed as a match between just HBK and HHH. I understand why they're doing it... it's just so surreal.

I really, really hope it wasn't roid rage. Benoit was pretty built, but I guess I never thought of him as a roid guy. Supposedly he's had some mental issues for the past year, paranoia and whatnot. But regardless of the reason, there are 3 deaths here and it's tragic all around.

Since there are other fans here, I'll mention that the current rumor is that Chavo and William Regal are the 2 wrestlers that got text messages from him. That would explain Regal's odd tribute on Monday night, and Chavo's utter breakdown (although certainly Chavo is entitled to break down, he's lost Eddy and now Benoit....).

chefker
06-27-2007, 08:03 AM
Oh yeah - about the text messages, DH read on some website that one of the texts that Benoit sent (not sure to whom), said : "Back door unlocked. Dogs have been fed."

So he WANTED to make sure the bodies were discovered, is what I get from that. How horrific and creepy. :(

myshel
06-27-2007, 08:03 AM
DH and I were talking abou this last night (I'm the wrestling fan; he's a casual observer). I told DH that no one in his right mind would kill a child. I'm guessing that Chris Benoit, for whatever reason, was not in his right mind. Whether the reason for that was steroids, drug use, or mental illness, we'll never truly know.

Having been a wrestling fan for many years, I've done a lot of reading on the "seedy underbelly" in professional wrestling. It's a really grueling profession to choose. The pay, from what I understand, is okay, but not great considering that many of these people put their bodies through hell and their lives on the line. There's also a lot of pressure to look and perform a certain way as well. I guarantee that wrestling, either directly or indirectly, had some influence on the situation that happened in the Benoit home. While I consider myself a fan, I do wish that someone would expose the industry for what it is. Unfortunately, there's a monopoly on the industry and most professional wrestlers know that if they cross Vince McMahon, they'll never live it down.

myshel
06-27-2007, 08:06 AM
Since there are other fans here, I'll mention that the current rumor is that Chavo and William Regal are the 2 wrestlers that got text messages from him. That would explain Regal's odd tribute on Monday night, and Chavo's utter breakdown (although certainly Chavo is entitled to break down, he's lost Eddy and now Benoit....).

Thanks for posting that, Lizard. I was wondering who the two co-workers might be. The WWE website has posted the timeline and content of the messages sent to the two co-workers. You can read the content here (http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/chrisbenoittimeline).

ETA: The example that Lizard gave of the WWE wiping clean any reference to Benoit from its history is an example of the machine at work. Obviously, with talk of steroids, the WWE wants to remove themselves far from the situation because after all, they do have a "wellness" policy in place. ;)

Asha
06-27-2007, 08:09 AM
The Benoit should have just got the divorce back in 2003, at least they all wouldn't be deceased now, especially so terribly for the wife (was said her hands and feet were bound) and son.
i don't think we could say that. there are cases where divorced husbands have gone and killed their exwives and/or children. also, i know it was not your intention but it seems to put blame on the victim.

lawyergirl25
06-27-2007, 09:11 AM
His WM20 3-way match is now listed as a match between just HBK and HHH.
Weird.

Since there are other fans here, I'll mention that the current rumor is that Chavo and William Regal are the 2 wrestlers that got text messages from him. That would explain Regal's odd tribute on Monday night, and Chavo's utter breakdown (although certainly Chavo is entitled to break down, he's lost Eddy and now Benoit....).
I heard some of the text messages started out "C,S." but I couldn't figure out who that was. Chavo, Steve (old WCW ring name)?

ETA:
"wellness" policy
*snort*

myshel
06-27-2007, 09:26 AM
Oh, I agree. The "wellness policy" is a joke. It's designed to put a nice, steroid, HGH free face on the WWE.

chefker
06-27-2007, 09:32 AM
I missed Regal's tribute on the broadcast the other night. So it was weird, how so?

greenbunny
06-27-2007, 09:32 AM
I heard on the radio that fans were confused about whether this was falsely reported as news. Apparently another wrestler recently "died" in a limo that exploded, and had to issue a statement that he was in fact alive and it was just part of the WWE plot.

LittleFredPunkinHead
06-27-2007, 09:40 AM
I heard on the radio that fans were confused about whether this was falsely reported as news. Apparently another wrestler recently "died" in a limo that exploded, and had to issue a statement that he was in fact alive and it was just part of the WWE plot.
I saw it- the owner, McMahon, had a plot going that he had been killed in a limo explosion. He explained that they felt it was best to end that plotline in light of recent events.

That was the first DH or I had heard of this whole thing, and DH was absolutely shocked. I hate to make light of anything about the situation, but I almost laughed out loud at how comically surprised he was.

Ericka_Jarett
06-27-2007, 09:49 AM
I should have said that hopefully their wouldn't be deceased now. I know that an ex finds and injures in some way their former spouse. I feel bad for his 2 other children that he now has left without a father.

Wow that is something with the text messages, to be so premeditated in what he was planning to do.

Sounds like the family had many issues, too bad they couldn't just have worked through them all, but that is unfortunately a fact of life for them now. I can't help but think of poor Daniel being killed at the hand of his father.

Thanks for the news about WWE taking off the tribute and such. It's gotta be true with the steroid use being linked to one of their wrestlers (there have been many users over the years, so it shouldn't be a shock to anyone that use is prominent in that business) and that he murdered his family and killed himself, he was no hero they want to praise.

McMahon's plot was going too far we thought. He is known for all his antics but to say that he died 2 weeks earlier in a limo explosion, he's probably mad now that he had to say it was a fake plot. We saw the commercial of it on tv and said it's another fake plot he is pulling to keep interest in the show.

meatpie
06-27-2007, 10:23 AM
There was a quote in the Los Angeles Times today from a fellow wrestler who made an excellent point. He said this is not just about steroids. This is about 20 years of steroid use, a stormy relationship, a man who is asked to be violent every day, and there is the possibility of a brain injury.

I wrote a position piece on TBI (Traumatic Brain Injury) and if you do five minutes of research into TBI (a very real problem) it will have you thinking this was about brain injury more than steroids. Not that I am an expert but "steroid rage" does not happen constantly for three to four days.

It's tragic and Vince McMahon should not be distancing himself from benoit. He should be the first person out there trying to find an explanation for what happened so it can be prevented in the future. My gawd, his own daughter is married to a steroid user. HHH may be clean now, but everyone knows Vince handed out steroids and allowed wrestlers to use it.

The LA Times article also said this:
In light of at least 27 deaths of pro wrestlers 45 years old or younger since 1997, McMahon recently reacted angrily when questioned about the legitimacy of his health and safety concerns for his wrestlers. "If people die, they can't perform for you," he said in a 2003 investigative story by The Times. "From the human being's perspective, how do you think I feel [about the deaths]? Do you think I'm the … devil?"


http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-wrestling27jun27,0,692174.story?coll=la-home-center

Ericka_Jarett
06-27-2007, 10:56 AM
meatpie - thanks for the link. The article makes a lot of sense. Since this death, I was looking up old time wrestlers and managers (Miss Elizabeth and others) that worked for WWF and there are so many that are now dead from drug abuse (not just steroids, but pain killers and such) either directly or indirectly related. Some died of heart attacks, heck look at what they put their bodies through with steroids or even just in the ring, their hearts weren't made for all that abuse. Those getting kicks in the head and take pain killers on a regular basis to just live a "normal" life. The violence in the ring comes into their personal lives and becomes part of who they are in real life. It's so sad.

lawyergirl25
06-27-2007, 11:38 AM
My gawd, his own daughter is married to a steroid user. HHH may be clean now, but everyone knows Vince handed out steroids and allowed wrestlers to use it.
Yeah, and I think he got clean only to have a baby with Stephanie. He's certainly back on them anyway - legitimately for now, since he's rehabbing yet another quad tear. Which I think it also directly related to steroid/performance-enhancing drug use. These guys carry so much muscle mass on their bones that their bodies can't handle it and they end up injuring and re-injuring themselves. I think Batista has had 3 muscle tears in the last 3 years and it's clear that guy is juicing. But that's who McMahon pushes - big hosses who can't stay healthy. Nice message.

But I'm getting far afield from the original topic.

msnicolea
06-27-2007, 12:20 PM
ITA, meatpie--I believe this is the result of a tragic combination of steroids, head trauma, an unhealthy realtionshi, and a pre-disposition/tendency towards violence.

Don't get me started on Vince McMahon.

meatpie
06-27-2007, 12:24 PM
My husband worked with him...so I'm ready to go!!

chefker
06-27-2007, 12:35 PM
Chris Nowinski (www.chrisharvard.net), a former WWE wrestler, has done some interesting research on multiple concussions, which led to a book on the topic, and the debilitating symptoms that result from that. His research mainly dealt with football players, but obviously this applies to wrestling and other full contact sports as well.

A blurb from his book's website (http://www.concussioncrisis.com/):

In 2003, WWE wrestler Chris Nowinski took a kick to the head that knocked him out of professional wrestling and sent him on a journey that could change the way contact sports are played.

Nowinski, a former Harvard football player, suddenly found himself suffering from a constellation of debilitating symptoms that included cognitive problems, severe headaches, and depression. Doctors eventually diagnosed him with post-concussion syndrome (PCS), but they couldn't tell him why that specific kick to the head created this problem, nor if he would ever recover enough to return to his job. His personal quest to understand his condition led him to discover that he had suffered not one concussion, but many over the course of an amateur career in football and his professional career in wrestling, and it was the cumulative effect of these injuries that had ended his career. He also learned that the worst was not necessarily behind him, as he uncovered research linking multiple concussions with serious long-term neurological disorders like Alzheimer's disease, memory impairment, and depression.



Interesting, and scary stuff. I think DH is getting this book, I may have to read it when he does.

Lizard
06-27-2007, 12:55 PM
I missed Regal's tribute on the broadcast the other night. So it was weird, how so?

I have it on Tivo and just went back and transcribed it. He was very soft spoken.

"At a later date I will be quite happy to sit here and tell you all the things about Chris Benoit that I"d like to tell you, but now all I"m willing to say is that Chris Benoit was undoubtedly the hardest working man in professional wrestling, the most dedicated and totally absorbed in the business of professional wrestling, above anybody I"ve ever met. And that"s all I"ve really got to say at the moment, he was the absolute best. Thanks."

(Sorry about all the quotes instead of apostrophes, that key isn"t working!)

myshel
06-27-2007, 01:10 PM
chefker: I saw a report on Real Sports with Bryant Gumble about Chris Nowinski and his research. Of course, the focus was on what his research means to the NFL. It was funny, because the NFL's head physician wouldn't admit that this is an issue for players. If the NFL turns a blind eye to this, there's no doubt that the WWE does/will as well.

myshel
06-27-2007, 01:12 PM
ITA, meatpie--I believe this is the result of a tragic combination of steroids, head trauma, an unhealthy realtionshi, and a pre-disposition/tendency towards violence.

I guess that's what I meant when I said that either directly or indirectly, wrestling had some hand in this tragedy in terms of head trauma, a demanding work schedule, steroid use, and likely the need to self-medicate in order for the "show to go on."

msnicolea
06-27-2007, 01:32 PM
Oh--absolutely, myshel!

Asha
06-27-2007, 01:35 PM
just curious but given all this negativity surrounding the wwe, why do some of you watch it?

myshel
06-27-2007, 01:42 PM
just curious but given all this negativity surrounding the wwe, why do some of you watch it?

Interesting question. Many of our friends love UFC (Ultimate Fighting-- mixed martial arts), but I can't get into it. I just don't get the point of beating the crap out of each other without some backstory behind it. I've always loved professional wrestling though.

I guess for me, it's the best of both worlds-- sports and scripted drama (albiet, sometimes bad scripted drama). There's certainly some sport to it, but I also know that much of it is scripted. In a way, it's like a more physical version of a soap opera. It also reminds me of my grandfather, who loved to watch professional wrestling, and of the many Saturdays I spent watching it as a child.

ETA: I feel weird even discussing this. In my real life, I'm a college educated lover of literature and the arts, but as I admitted in the guilty tv pleasures thread, I love watching professional wrestling. I know that I use it to fill the void after football season is over. I'm sure that people who know me, find this curious, because it's completely incongruous with who I am.

Ericka_Jarett
06-27-2007, 02:01 PM
I guess for me, it's the best of both worlds-- sports and scripted drama (albiet, sometimes bad scripted drama). There's certainly some sport to it, but I also know that much of it is scripted. In a way, it's like a more physical version of a soap opera. It also reminds me of my grandfather, who loved to watch professional wrestling, and of the many Saturdays I spent watching it as a child.

I don't watch wrestling anymore, (stopped watching it back about 18 yrs ago) I use to for the same reasons that myshel listed though. Instead of it being my grandfather it use to be my brothers and my mom on Saturday mornings watching it.

diam124
06-27-2007, 02:09 PM
I don't understand the appeal of professional wrestling at all - I would rather stare a blank wall than watch it. But I also have vivid memories of watching studio wrestling as a child with my great-aunt (who was already in her 70's). It was a local show and very poorly produced, but wow, she got such a kick out of it!

myshel
06-27-2007, 02:28 PM
I don't understand the appeal of professional wrestling at all - I would rather stare a blank wall than watch it. But I also have vivid memories of watching studio wrestling as a child with my great-aunt (who was already in her 70's). It was a local show and very poorly produced, but wow, she got such a kick out of it!

I totally respect the fact that professional wrestling is not everybody's cup of tea. I guess I sort of see professional wrestling as a poor man's version of theater. While I will admit that some of the storylines are idiotic, poorly written, or poorly acted, many of the archetypes seen in classic Greek tragedy and even Shakespeare can be found in professional wrestling. There are good guys and bad guys. Sometimes, those characters are much more complex then they appear to be on the surface-- bad guys who have a streak of good within them, good guys who struggle with what is right. There are also the stock characters too-- the comedic relief, the strong females, the weak female in need, etc.

It's probably a sad statement about our intellectual times, but classic Greek theater and Shakespeare were written to entertain and touch the masses, including the common man. Judging from the numbers of people who attend shows, buy merchandise and pay-per-views, and watch televised matches, it seems as though the WWE has done the same thing.

Andlet's remember that in its time, Elizabethan theater was thought to be distasteful by many. Now much of it is a part of the literary canon. Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not comparing Vince McMahon to my beloved William Shakespeare. I do not care for Vince McMahon at all. It's just interesting to see the connections-- a questionable art form in its day being brought to and enjoyed by the common people.

diam124
06-27-2007, 02:38 PM
I totally respect the fact that professional wrestling is not everybody's cup of tea. I guess I sort of see professional wrestling as a poor man's version of theater. While I will admit that some of the storylines are idiotic, poorly written, or poorly acted, many of the archetypes seen in classic Greek tragedy and even Shakespeare can be found in professional wrestling. There are good guys and bad guys. Sometimes, those characters are much more complex then they appear to be on the surface-- bad guys who have a streak of good within them, good guys who struggle with what is right. There are also the stock characters too-- the comedic relief, the strong females, the weak female in need, etc.

It's probably a sad statement about our intellectual times, but classic Greek theater and Shakespeare were written to entertain and touch the masses, including the common man. Judging from the numbers of people who attend shows, buy merchandise and pay-per-views, and watch televised matches, it seems as though the WWE has done the same thing.

Andlet's remember that in its time, Elizabethan theater was thought to be distasteful by many.

I can understand the appeal of the characters and the storylines - it's the (fake) violence that totally bugs me especially when I see kids watching it. I know that is for a whole other thread though! My local morning show was talking about this whole thing and a mother called in and said that her kid is insisting that Chris Benoit is not really dead (just like Vince McMahon is not really dead). I would think that all of this is it real or not stuff can be confusing to little kids.

myshel
06-27-2007, 02:42 PM
I can understand the appeal of the characters and the storylines - it's the (fake) violence that totally bugs me especially when I see kids watching it. I know that is for a whole other thread though! My local morning show was talking about this whole thing and a mother called in and said that her kid is insisting that Chris Benoit is not really dead (just like Vince McMahon is not really dead). I would think that all of this is it real or not stuff can be confusing to little kids.

Oh, I completely agree. I tend to tivo the shows and watch them when my son isn't around. I think for children, this would be very confusing. I get a little squeamish too about watching shows and seeing little kids being hoisted into the air on the shoulders of their fathers (or other males... it always seems to be males, anyway). I think professional wrestling is for adults, just like soap operas should be too.

LittleFredPunkinHead
06-27-2007, 05:08 PM
I think another appeal of professional wrestling is that, although it's scripted, it does take a lot of athletic ability. Some of the smaller highflyer wrestlers are real gymnastic wizards.

Ericka_Jarett
06-27-2007, 06:36 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070627/ap_on_re_us/wrestler_dead

looty
06-28-2007, 03:41 PM
Interesting! I wonder what all this means? Apparently they are saying that there was an anonymous post on wikipedia about the death of his wife before the police discovered the bodies.

Fox news story (http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,287194,00.html)

mrs_pell
06-28-2007, 06:32 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070627/ap_on_re_us/wrestler_dead

This, from the above article, just brought tears to my eyes. :( Just the mental picture of that is haunting! What a horrible, horrible thing for that boy to have to go through. :(
District Attorney Scott Ballard said the autopsy indicated that there were no bruise marks on the child's neck, so authorities are now assuming he could have been killed using a choke hold. "It's a process of elimination," he said.

Rose
06-28-2007, 07:24 PM
Interesting! I wonder what all this means? Apparently they are saying that there was an anonymous post on wikipedia about the death of his wife before the police discovered the bodies.

That's very strange. This is so, so sad.

kugrrly
06-28-2007, 07:41 PM
This is a very sad story.

Ericka_Jarett
06-28-2007, 08:13 PM
According to the Wikipedia update, Daniel was put into a chokehold, as he had injures internally on the throat.

Benoit was cold and heartless in these murders, it's so sad to know 2 people died such tragic deaths at the hands of one they loved.

Kristy
06-28-2007, 09:15 PM
The more the story unfolds, the more sickening it is. It's horrible to think that someone whose coworkers described as the epitome of hard work and gave his all at his job would end his life with something like this.

I wish I had seen the TV tribute Monday night. Does anyone know if it's around on the internet somewhere? YouTube or the like?

PookiePrincess
06-28-2007, 09:59 PM
Here's a couple I found on youtube. I didn't watch them, so I don't know if they are the same. I just went to youtube and searched "Chris Benoit tribute" and looked for ones that aired on Raw on Monday.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUIgVJn-o18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj9XPRuB91M

meatpie
06-29-2007, 11:00 AM
Here's a couple I found on youtube. I didn't watch them, so I don't know if they are the same. I just went to youtube and searched "Chris Benoit tribute" and looked for ones that aired on Raw on Monday.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUIgVJn-o18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj9XPRuB91M

I love the internet, sorry. I love that Vince McMahon wants to erase benoit from all that is WWE, but they aired the tribute and through YouTube his terrible decision can still be seen by the world.

Anyone see Vince on the Today Show? We tivo'd it and the Hus said it was very interesting but I have not watched it yet.

Katyanne
06-29-2007, 12:59 PM
I've watched wrestling for years (ever since the mid 80's with my brother) My 3 favorite current wrestlers were/are Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit and the Undertaker and I watched the memorial on Monday with tears in my eyes thinking about who could've done such a thing.

I've really tried to distance myself to much from the news this week once it was discovered that Chris was the one who committed the horrible acts because I don't understand it. Last night I caught a news show where China Doll (former wrestler from about 5-7 yrs ago who's now a reality TV personality) she went on and on (somewhat incoherantly) about how steroids are very previlent in WWE and that when she was in wrestling they never did testing. Well she got out before Guerrero died when they started doing random testing. And his test from April was negative for sterroids

I don't think we'll every truly know or understand why Chris did the things he did and I know its truly a horrible crime he commited I just don't think Vince should be be going on and on about his regrets for doing the tribute. At the time of the tribute they didn't know what truly happend at that point. I think in that moment of time it was the right thing to do.

I truly feel for Chris's other two children and his family and Nancy's family. This must be a living nightmare for them. I also feel for Chuavo Guerrero he lost Chris and Eddie and I'm sure as his best friend he's feeling alot of survivors guilt.

Katie

shopaholic
06-29-2007, 01:51 PM
According to the Wikipedia update, Daniel was put into a chokehold, as he had injures internally on the throat.

Benoit was cold and heartless in these murders, it's so sad to know 2 people died such tragic deaths at the hands of one they loved.

I heard this as well, that the son died from a wrestling move. I will have to go back but who died first, the son or wife? Maybe he was doing moves and accidentally killed the son and then thought he had to kill the wife? We might not ever know the motive.

Ericka_Jarett
06-29-2007, 02:10 PM
They said the wife died first and then later that day the son was killed and then the next day he killed himself.

lawyergirl25
06-30-2007, 07:16 AM
I heard this as well, that the son died from a wrestling move.
I think their working theory is that he died from a choke hold, but they haven't pinpointed exactly how since Daniel didn't have marks around his neck but his neck was bruised internally. Benoit's finishing move was the Crippler Crossface, which is supposed to be a choke hold (but is rarely applied that way in the ring), so I think some reporters have taken that and run with it. I've read that there are a few other choke holds that could have been used.

msnicolea
07-03-2007, 07:47 AM
What kind of assinine headline is this?

Police: Benoit Killed Wife, Child Before Suicide

Really? Because I thought he killed himself first.

chefker
07-03-2007, 09:10 AM
What kind of assinine headline is this?

Police: Benoit Killed Wife, Child Before Suicide

Really? Because I thought he killed himself first.

Asinine indeed. Where's that from?

Lizard
07-17-2007, 01:52 PM
High levels of testosterone were found in Chris Benoit's system - not necessarily steroids, but the media is running with it of course:

Steroids found in pro wrestler's body (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070717/ap_on_re_us/wrestler_dead)