LOST - Season Three - Volume Two

[southerner]

Please post spoilers in white if they are about the show before it's aired.

Season One thread (http://www.constantchatter.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4)

Season Two thread (http://www.constantchatter.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4375)

Season Three Volume One thread (http://www.constantchatter.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22684)

[Kiley]

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[Jenyfer9]

subscribing so I don't forget later...

[heather1029]

Just FYI,

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[Reebs]

Happy LOST Day! :D

[Belm]

I missed the 3/21 eposide. Is there any place I can download it for free?

[jen]

Belm, you can watch all the episodes on abc.com :)

[Belm]

Thanks, Jen. I guess I should have checked there first! :D

[oneday someday]

I'm subscribing!!!

[Rosebud]

SPOILER ALERT!! Here's a list of the flashbacks we'll be seeing for the rest of this season (but no info about the actual content of those episodes):

-in white-
3.15 Kate Austen (tonight's episode)
3.16 Juliet Burke
3.17 Desmond Hume
3.18 Jin & Sun Kwon
3.19 Jack Shepherd
3.20 Karen & Gerald DeGroot
3.21 Charlie Pace
3.22 and 23 Benjamin Linus

[Rancid13]

SPOILER ALERT!! Here's a list of the flashbacks we'll be seeing for the rest of this season (but no info about the actual content of those episodes):

Whoa! Re: the flashback in 3.20's epi. I'm guessing we'll get to meet these folks in an upcoming episode...

[Jenyfer9]

I was just going to ask: who ARE those people? Are we going to have to deal with another Nikki and Paulo incident?

[Rosebud]

Whoa! Re: the flashback in 3.20's epi. I'm guessing we'll get to meet these folks in an upcoming episode...

(in white) We've already kinda met them--or at least heard about them-- they're the founders of the Dharma Initiative, right? I'm SO curious for that episode! It's either going to answer a lot of questions or raise a ton of new ones.

[Bernie & Matt]

I'm here!

[Rancid13]

Rosebud~ I know who they are, but we haven't actually met them yet in terms of present day (or Lost's present day). So far we've seen them only on the orientation videos we've seen in the hatch. And those look like they were from the 70's...I didn't think they'd still be around/alive. Yeah, they were the founders of the Dharma Initiative.

[Jenyfer9]

From lostpedia.com (related to the spoiler, so I'll post in white):
Karen and Gerald DeGroot were/are two doctoral candidates at the University of Michigan. Thanks to The Hanso Foundation they were able to start the DHARMA Initiative. We first learn about the DeGroots in the Swan Orientation Film in "Orientation". The whereabouts of this couple are unknown today but many theories have surfaced.

[sparkle&shine]

I am liking the lineup for all the flashbacks!! Should be interesting. Can't wait for tonight.

[PookiePrincess]

Interesting! That got me excited for the rest of the season!

[Jenyfer9]

Good episode! What was up w/the flashbulbs coming from the smoke monster?

[mel7dog]

Good episode! What was up w/the flashbulbs coming from the smoke monster?

yeah that was weird, maybe another clue about what the monster is.

I don't understand why Jack is so anxious to get back to the beach. Wouldn't it be better to bring everyone else to them, so they could live there. Juliet must have some idea where everyone has gone. They are obvisously not going to live in the woods. I can't believe they are not asking Juliette more questions now, but it looks like we get to that next week.

[Rosebud]

I'm SO OVER Jack!! :mad: He's on my list. Him and Locke. Oh, and The Others. I'm really, really pissed at all of them.

Bringing Juliet back to camp... um... DUMB! Did Jack never consider that perhaps Benry left her behind on purpose? That she was put out in the woods with Kate expressly for the purpose of enlightening her about Jack's feelings? That she's now headed back to their camp to do..... (insert something bad and devious). Dumb! Bring on the torture, Sayid!

Interesting that they had Kate and Sawyer's babymama meet up in the flashback. I was trying to remember how things ended with Sawyer and that woman. Didn't he decide he wanted to be with her (and the baby) and was giving up being a con or something? It was so long ago.

How cute was Sawyer trying to be nice to everyone?

[mel7dog]

I think Sawyer ended up really loving the woman, but he was forced to con he anyhow because he owed someone $. I don't think he knew she was pregnant when he left her.

[jenji]

yeah, Sawyer didn't know anything about the baby till she came to prison to tell him about her.
I thought it was neat how they had the two of them working together in the flashback and interesting to fill in some pieces of the Kate story, though I think we pretty much already knew most of that stuff (other than that Cassidy helped her).
I still totally think that the Others are using the fact that Jack trusts Juliet. I think she's totally up to no good. I mean come on. And I agree that she has to know or at least have SOME idea where they went and they wouldn't have just left her there if she wasn't still working with them because they know she could totally tell all about their secrets. I'm so mad at Jack for not realizing this. I guess it'll make for an interesting storyline though when we get back to camp
That's weird that the smoke monster that can go anywhere and is made out of smoke didn't just go OVER the sonic barriers. I mean even the losties figured that out. I just don't get it.
I'm so excited for the rest of the season, but have a feeling that we're going to be left with some huge questions to ponder over the summer.

ETA - I think I'm most bummed that we didn't pick up where we left off with Locke and his dad. surely they'll get back to that before too long

[c'est la vie]

I don't understand why Jack is so anxious to get back to the beach. Wouldn't it be better to bring everyone else to them, so they could live there. Juliet must have some idea where everyone has gone. They are obvisously not going to live in the woods. I can't believe they are not asking Juliette more questions now, but it looks like we get to that next week.
Agree! Why wouldn't they want to live in houses w/ running water and electricity? Maybe they like their beach front properties better. ;)
I can't believe that Jack would just trust Juliet 100% and bring her to camp w/out asking her to explain who the heck the Others are.
Good episode, though!!

[udsweetpea]

I can't believe that Jack would just trust Juliet 100% and bring her to camp w/out asking her to explain who the heck the Others are.


Maybe he already knows.

[Jenyfer9]

So last night, Juliet asked Kate what she knew about Jack, and when Juliet said all that she knew... I couldn't help but think that the information that they have about all the Losties is information that they got from the "outside world" when news of the plane crashed, you know, like obit material (minus the blood type, which they very well could have gotten while running strange tests on them). I just always thought that the Others were so mysterious, and last night it just got me thinking.

Ok, if the Others took off... is Alex with them? Is Carl with them? So many questions!

[udsweetpea]

Does anyone else think they have another sub and left on that?

[KK812]

I remember Sawyer being let out of jail because he conned another inmate into telling him where a big pile of money was. He also got a reward from the feds and he told them to deposit it in an account with his daughter's name on it. I feel like we have some missing pieces of Sawyer's story, even though we know why he was in Australia and all of that.

DH really thought that Sawyer's babymama was conning Kate and was going to tell the marshal where she was taking her. He also made a comment about the wall/force field and why the security system didn't go over it. The writers definitely took the cheap way out in having Juliet say "We don't know what it is, but it just doesn't like our fence." Um, ok, so that's basically saying "Yea, we don't know why it won't go over the fence! *stumped*"

I think Juliet is also still working for the others. We didn't actually see her get gassed, and don't we think that the others would have taken the key to the handcuffs from her if they were truly abandoning her with Kate?

I still like Jack. You could cut the tension between him and Kate with a knife.

Locke seemed so weird to me. I'm really looking forward to the rest of the season and I hope a lot of questions will be answered via flashbacks about the season finale centric character.

Has anyone else heard that they may wait until January to start season 4 and have new episodes all the way through?

[jesseybell]

Maybe just maybe next week we'll get some answers, but I am not counting on it.

Yes, I've heard that next season they aren't going to return until January like '24' and run all the episodes straight through.

[c'est la vie]

I think Juliet is also still working for the others. We didn't actually see her get gassed, and don't we think that the others would have taken the key to the handcuffs from her if they were truly abandoning her with Kate?
yeah, I also didn't get why they'd leave her w/ the keys if they were abandoning her.

[KGif]

I think Julliette is still working for the others and I think Jack may be as well. I mean - why else would Jack not even stop for ONE second to wonder if Julliette was a "plant"? Just doesn't make sense. He's a smart man. Regardless of how friendly they had become while Jack was at their camp he would know better then to just trust her 100%.
Plus she never really gave ANY explanation of what happened. She was just like "they left me too!" and no one bothered to question "WHY?" or say "Well did you have a fight with someone?" or anything! Just odd.

I SO wish they would have shown more of Locke's reaction to his dad and what went down there. I'm sure we'll have to wait like 10 more episodes for that.

Sawyer was too cute trying to be nice. "I just stopped by to say - uh - well your baby isn't as wrinkley as it was a few weeks ago.". HA!

[ummserious]

For what its worth, my 2 cents:
Last night's episode exposed Juliet as being physically strong and trained in some ways. Also, her interactions with Kate can almost be compared to her earlier interactions with Jack. They left Jack in a room where he could have tried a stunt like Kate did with that pool cue, we now know Juliet may have held her own had he done it. But Jack and Kate are different, he responded differently to the mind tricks.

Either way, Juliet is probably supposed to establish a relationship with both of them individually and she seems to be good at that. In her flashback episode she was not the strong, forceful woman that we see in current time so there is no reason to believe they just left her--she's trained, knows a lot of information and is valuable. Who knows if she even wanted to leave the island.

There has always been a little power struggle between Jack, Sayid and Locke. It appears like Locke now gets to have an adventure he's been dying to have, who knows if he'll ruin anything for the people on the beach. Jack always trusted a little too much- with "Henry" and now with Juliet. (or something happened and we don't know yet) And Sayid always wants to assume the worst, he is usually right but someone usually foils his plan.

[Neen]

Didn't the others mark Juliete a few episodes back for killing that guy on the beach? Maybe that has something to do with why they left her.

[ajb524]

Juliette said something to the effect of Ben playing mind games. I think she's playing mind games as well.

It will be nice to see Jack back on the other side of the island now :). I also want to know where the heck Locke went and what happened with to his father?

[meatpie]

There is much, much more to Juliet. I mean that super dope karate I can kick her ass move on Kate??? They don't teach that in Med School, do they?

Plus, remember the Nikki-Paolo episode - she was with Ben watching Jack ("he's cute") and seemed very comfortable with Ben's planning. But I like the idea of a love triangle/square with Juliet and Jack and Kate back at camp. Kate certainly did not look happy when Jack asked about Juliet right away. I think Kate wanted to see evidence of his broken heart.

Again...too much going on for me to get behind. But I'm still holding out hope that Jack brings Juliet back and tells Sayid to get in her business.

[Jenyfer9]

Oh yes, total YUMMY Sawyer last night. And for some reason I love it when they have him pull his hair back like that.

aaaaaahhhhhhhh...........

ok, now back to reality.

[udsweetpea]

Anyone else notice the code she put in? 1623. 16 and 23 are two of the special numbers, right?

[Jenyfer9]

ok, question: when Kate and Sawyer were in the cage, who said "I love you" to whom?

[BumbleB]

I loved Sawyer in this episode, and agree that he looks best with the hair pulled back. I just thought that whole storyline was hillarious. He looked so uncomfortable talking about the baby. ;)

I'm SO not trusting Juliet. And something weird is up with Jack, but I do hope this means we get to see more of him.

I really hope the Locke thing is explained soon - we see his dad, and then the next time we see him he's telling Kate he knows all about her??? How do those fit together - and why did he leave with the others?

[mamapicklejuice]

I think Juliet is also still working for the others. We didn't actually see her get gassed, and don't we think that the others would have taken the key to the handcuffs from her if they were truly abandoning her with Kate?


How would she even know she had a key to begin with??

[mamapicklejuice]

Agree! Why wouldn't they want to live in houses w/ running water and electricity? Maybe they like their beach front properties better. ;)


Then again, maybe he wants to go back to the beach so that he can gather everyone up and they can move into the Others camp? Yeah, I don't think so either.

[mel7dog]

How would she even know she had a key to begin with??

It was my understanding that Juliet locked herself to Kate on purpose so that Kate couldn't leave her.

[KK812]

Sawyer was too cute trying to be nice. "I just stopped by to say - uh - well your baby isn't as wrinkley as it was a few weeks ago.". HA!

That was hilarious, along with "Here...I...don't like blankets." What the heck?! LOL

[mamapicklejuice]

mel7dog

Thanks! You're right - I forgot that part...it's so easy to get confused! :)

BTW, is that Benjamin in your avatar? Such a cutie!

[Reebs]

Happy Lost Day!!!

[heather1029]

Wow, Wednesday already?

Lately, I've been thinking it would be cool if I could manage to stop watching Lost and then just buy the DVD when it comes out. Then, I'll get pregnant and have something to watch all day when baby comes...Hehe! I doubt I'll be able to stay away from Lost, though.

[udsweetpea]

My cable is out, and I might miss Lost if it doesn't come back on :( . How soon does ABC have the episodes on the website?

[jen]

My cable is out, and I might miss Lost if it doesn't come back on :( . How soon does ABC have the episodes on the website?

I think immediately after.... definitely by the next morning--that's when I watch it! :)

[sparkle&shine]

Is it really Wed. already! Yay!

[Jenyfer9]

A little off-topic, but has anyone seen that the actress who plays Claire is featured in the JC Penney wedding catalog? Here's a link...
http://jcpenney.richfx.com/catalog_jcpenney/weddingsregistry2007/index.aspx

[Rancid13]

Happy Lost Day!

And happy start of NHL playoffs day too, yay!! Hopefully the game I'm watching tonight (starts at 7) will NOT go into overtime and cut into my Lost-watching time (Lost starts at 10-although I'll still be recording it, but maybe not watching it live b/c of the hockey game). Go Stars! :)

[southerner]

who's flashback is tonight?

[Rancid13]

who's flashback is tonight?

Juliet I believe

[mel7dog]

Juliet I believe

ooh good, hopefully that will help us understand her better

[cocoa_femme]

Whoo hoo! It's Lost day. I'm so excited to learn more about Juilet. Hopefully they won't run us in circles.

[Jenyfer9]

I'm so MAD! I can't believe that Juliet is still teamed with them!

Question: do they (the Others) know about Desmond? I mean, do they know that he wasn't on the plane? He could be VITAL if they don't know anything about him and the fact that he can "see" the future. Hmmmm.....

[mrs_pell]

I'm so MAD! I can't believe that Juliet is still teamed with them!


Me too! I was convinced that she really was a decent person and just wanted to get off the island! I was pissed at the end of this episode! I wanted to like her!! I still think that she could be a good person at heart, and it could be that she's being forced/blackmailed into doing this.

[KK812]

Spoiler Re: Earlier list posted about whose flashbacks we will see in the remaining episodes

Looks like spoilerfix.com has changed the last episode to Jack-centric. Boo, Ben-centric would be more telling, I think. :(

[ummserious]

Personally, I think Juliet is playing her own game. By no means do I think she's unwilling to mess with the Losties but I also think she's still looking for her own way off the island.

Jenyfer9 Good point about Desmond. Not to mention we all think he's got that girlfriend searching the ends of the earth for him.

Did anyone catch who was making out in the scenes that they showed for upcoming episodes? Looked a little surprising to me but I'm not sure I'm right.

[krbb]

So was the part about planting Ethan to administer the drug to Clare the truth or was it just part of Juliet and Ben's story? I was also mad to find out that Juliet was planted there. I guess it makes things more interesting. I still don't understand the whole motive of keeping the survivors on the island.

At first I thought that Ben had something to do with bringing the plane down, but is it just a coincidence that Jack was on there along with Locke? Did they bring Locke's dad to the island after they found out he was on there?

I hope they answered what happened to the Dharma initiative before the season ends. Is that who the Others are or does it not exist anymore?

I guess this episode just brought out more questions.

[ktdelsur]

I hope they answered what happened to the Dharma initiative before the season ends. Is that who the Others are or does it not exist anymore?



I'm not really sure - didn't Mikhail tell Locke/Kate/Sayid that he was w/ the Dharma Initiative? I guess that didn't have to necessarily be the truth. I don't know if the BioMedical group Juliet/Ethan, etc, work(ed) for is teamed up with Dharma or if the BioMed name is just a front for Dharma.

Did anyone catch who was making out in the scenes that they showed for upcoming episodes? Looked a little surprising to me but I'm not sure I'm right.

I thought it was Kate and Sawyer. I KNOW I saw Kate's face but I may have assumed it was Sawyer - I think all you saw was a man's bare stomach, maybe?

Hmm. So many questions, y'all.

[southerner]

Did anyone catch who was making out in the scenes that they showed for upcoming episodes? Looked a little surprising to me but I'm not sure I'm right.
was it Desmond? That's who it looked it to me, but DH thought it was Sawyer.
At first I thought that Ben had something to do with bringing the plane down, but is it just a coincidence that Jack was on there along with Locke? Did they bring Locke's dad to the island after they found out he was on there?
Maybe he/they had some part in *a* plane crash, but not *that* plane crash. We saw how he said "find out who's on that plane and get as much info about them as possible and a list within three days." Locke's dad must have been brought to the island after the crash then.

I bet Rachel's (Juliette's sister) cancer was never back and Ben just told her that b/c he knew he could use that later as a bargaining/blackmail tool.

I wonder if they put Kate and Sawyer in that cage together hoping they'd have sex and get Kate pg. They don't know about Sun yet.

[mel7dog]

I wonder if they put Kate and Sawyer in that cage together hoping they'd have sex and get Kate pg. They don't know about Sun yet.

Yea I mentioned that theory a while back. Also because they took Kate and then told her the next two weeks would be really hard.

It looks llike woman on the island can get pregnant, but then during the pregnancy something goes crazy and both mom and baby die.

[c'est la vie]

I bet Rachel's (Juliette's sister) cancer was never back and Ben just told her that b/c he knew he could use that later as a bargaining/blackmail tool.
I wonder if they put Kate and Sawyer in that cage together hoping they'd have sex and get Kate pg. They don't know about Sun yet.
Good points! Ben is manipulative and I wasn't buying how sincere he was been w/ Juliette. Now I'm starting to think that he just used her sister to make her stay in the island.
At one point, Ben told Juliette that they need to find another pregnant woman after she told him that all of them were dying, so it is possible that they put Kate and Sawyer close together hoping they’d have sex.

It also doesn’t make sense to me why they didn’t just find a way to get all the plane crash survivors off the island for them to not interfere in whatever they are doing there.

[udsweetpea]

This has probably already been asked- but why are the Others on the island to begin with? Why didn't they just take the pregnant women off the island?

[Bernie & Matt]

I'm wondering if Juliet is actually playing Ben, going along with Ben's plan, but really thinking about joining the Losties. There was some look on her face near the end that gave me hope that she might be turning the tables on Ben.

[PG-rated]

I'm not really sure - didn't Mikhail tell Locke/Kate/Sayid that he was w/ the Dharma Initiative? I guess that didn't have to necessarily be the truth. I don't know if the BioMedical group Juliet/Ethan, etc, work(ed) for is teamed up with Dharma or if the BioMed name is just a front for Dharma.
Mikhail's "cover" was that he was with the Dharma Initiative, and was the last survivor of a battle between the Dharma people and the Others. Then when Sayid captured him, he said that the battle really happened, and he had just lied about what side he was on. My personal theory is that Desmond's hatch originally contained the last of the Dharma survivors.

I wonder if they put Kate and Sawyer in that cage together hoping they'd have sex and get Kate pg. They don't know about Sun yet.
I think it was mostly a mind game around getting Jack to agree to do the surgery. They set them up to have sex and then made sure Jack would know about it. Although I suppose it wouldn't have bothered them if Kate wound up pregnant.

It also doesn’t make sense to me why they didn’t just find a way to get all the plane crash survivors off the island for them to not interfere in whatever they are doing there.
I think they intended to experiment on the Losties - they obviously were doing something with Claire, since they inserted an implant in her.

This has probably already been asked- but why are the Others on the island to begin with? Why didn't they just take the pregnant women off the island?
I think there's some kind of cult thing/massive science experiment going on. Taking the pregnant women off the island would defeat the purpose of whatever they're trying to accomplish.

[jen]

:o covering eyes... not looking.....


darn it all! I jinxed myself yesterday.... LAST NIGHT'S EPISODE IS NOT ONLINE YET!!! ARGHHHH! :mad:

I'm losing my mind over here.....


continue.... ;)

[PG-rated]

That's driving me crazy, too! I missed the first ten minutes, and even though I still followed the plot just fine, I know there's at least one flashback I'm missing. :mad:

[westamp]

I'm so MAD! I can't believe that Juliet is still teamed with them!

Question: do they (the Others) know about Desmond? I mean, do they know that he wasn't on the plane? He could be VITAL if they don't know anything about him and the fact that he can "see" the future. Hmmmm.....

This brings another question, if Desmond can see the future, wouldn't he have warned the Losties about Juliet's double cross? And tell them to watch out for "next week?"

[Kate&Joey]

I'm wondering if Juliet is actually playing Ben, going along with Ben's plan, but really thinking about joining the Losties. There was some look on her face near the end that gave me hope that she might be turning the tables on Ben.

That's what I was thinking: that Juliet will double-cross Ben. The look on her face when she was tying up her tarp and then tightened the knot HARD. To me, that meant, "I'm not going anywhere." :cool:

So who was the dude that Juliet was sleeping with in Otherville? Have we seen him before?

[PG-rated]

This brings another question, if Desmond can see the future, wouldn't he have warned the Losties about Juliet's double cross? And tell them to watch out for "next week?"
I'm pretty sure it doesn't work like that - it seems to come in flashes for him, so I imagine there's a lot he doesn't see.

[PG-rated]

So who was the dude that Juliet was sleeping with in Otherville? Have we seen him before?
IIRC, he's the one who infiltrated the Tailies and then was killed by Ana Lucia.

[yby1]

So who was the dude that Juliet was sleeping with in Otherville? Have we seen him before?

That was Goodwin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Others_(Lost)#Goodwin

[Kate&Joey]

I thought he looked familiar! Thanks!! :)

[clammyinsf]

my notes/questions from last night's epi:

*juliet mentioned that no woman had successfully given birth and survived until claire... but, didn't rousseau give birth to alex after she got to the island?

*maybe juliet is setting up camp w/ the losties to get her hands on sun?

*i really hope we find out who "jacob" is before this season's over.

[thelittlebabu]

I'm sure someone else has voiced a similar theory...

I'm convinced the others are doing genetic experiments. Probably trying to create a superior race. However, the experiments leave everyone sterile. Part of the genetic engineering is done through the Dharma food. Juliette told Sayid that if he found out the entire truth, he would kill her. Why? Because the losties have been eating this food as well. They will all be sterile as well. Who's to say Sun's pregnancy is seen through the entire 9 months?

[yby1]

my notes/questions from last night's epi:

*juliet mentioned that no woman had successfully given birth and survived until claire... but, didn't rousseau give birth to alex after she got to the island?

True! I'm sure that's why Alex is Ben's "daughter" since she happens to be an exception to the rule. I don't think the Others really know about Rousseau. I hope that they shed some light on this in the finale.

[Jenyfer9]

Some of the Others would have to know about Rousseau, as I don't think that Ben could have taken Alex from Danielle by himself...

[southerner]

*juliet mentioned that no woman had successfully given birth and survived until claire... but, didn't rousseau give birth to alex after she got to the island?
Why do I think Danielle already had had Alex when she crashed on the island? :confused: I can't remember all these details anymore :(

[yby1]

A couple of them, maybe. I think the majority of the Others, like Juliet, are probably aware that Danielle is out there, but I don't think they know the full story.

[hub1176]

I'm pretty sure when Roussou told the story she said she was 8 months preggo when they landed on the island.

I really hope Jack has a better plan, because he just seems so lame.

[jesseybell]

I think Rousseau was pregnant too.

So if we aren't to believe that Claire actually would have died too, then the difference could be where the baby was conceived - on or off the Island.

All the other pregnant people - were they researchers to who were brought to the island and could have been pregnant before coming?

And Ben told Jack he'd lived on the island his whole life. So HE was born there. So when did the issue with the pregnant women start?

[Jenyfer9]

And Ben told Jack he'd lived on the island his whole life. So HE was born there. So when did the issue with the pregnant women start?
Good question!

I looked it up on Lostpedia, and Rousseau was 7 months preggo when they came to the island.

[c'est la vie]

Lostpedia Did someone really create this? Cool!
I'll have to check it.

[sdianems]

And Ben told Jack he'd lived on the island his whole life. So HE was born there. So when did the issue with the pregnant women start?
But can we believe anything he says???
Just playing the devil's advocate ;)

[southerner]

I looked it up on Lostpedia, and Rousseau was 7 months preggo when they came to the island. thanks for looking that up!

[udsweetpea]

Was the "every pregnant woman dies" story just made up so that Juliet could cover the "crisis"? Ben said something that the injection they did would make her sick in 48 hours. Did they just recently inject her with something because they couldn't have known weeks ago that they would need Juliet to cover a crisis?

[Sarah]

Was the "every pregnant woman dies" story just made up so that Juliet could cover the "crisis"? Ben said something that the injection they did would make her sick in 48 hours. Did they just recently inject her with something because they couldn't have known weeks ago that they would need Juliet to cover a crisis?
I don't think so, because in Juliet's flashback we see her talking to Ben about how she "can't help them" or save them or something. She's clearly talking about her not being able to help him with the dead pregnant women. maybe she did fix the problem and that's why Claire lived, but it does seem like it was at least real at one point.

[hub1176]

If I remember correctly, Danille was taking from Roussou when she was 8 months old. Also Rose had cancer when they crashed (Bernard had taken her to Austraila looking for a miracle) and I remember her telling Locke she felt the cancer had gone. So something about the Island that prohibits the growth of cells whether they be cancer or fetal cells.

[mrs_pell]

So something about the Island that prohibits the growth of cells whether they be cancer or fetal cells.

Interesting! But then what about Ben's tumor?

[mamapicklejuice]

I don't understand why he assumed it was cancer. Not all tumors are malignant.

Man, but doesn't it seem like, MAYBE it will all come together at some point? I'm started to get interested again! :)

[Katy]

Once agian, I missed the start of a new thread *sigh* Before I catch up on everything, I need to ask a question. In the EW column (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20034600,00.html)folks keep referring to "the purge" in regards to the Others. What is this "purge" they speak of? I think I missed it.

[seattleguamgirl]

Once agian, I missed the start of a new thread *sigh* Before I catch up on everything, I need to ask a question. In the EW column (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20034600,00.html)folks keep referring to "the purge" in regards to the Others. What is this "purge" they speak of? I think I missed it.


I believe the "purge" they speak of is when the Others killed off the Dharma people? Please correct me if I'm wrong. It came up in the epi when Sayid, Locke and Kate found the house with the Russian.

[Katy]

I believe the "purge" they speak of is when the Others killed off the Dharma people? Please correct me if I'm wrong. It came up in the epi when Sayid, Locke and Kate found the house with the Russian.hmmm...I guess I missed that part.

[karen]

Did anyone catch who was making out in the scenes that they showed for upcoming episodes? Looked a little surprising to me but I'm not sure I'm right.

It was Kate and Sawyer. My sister and I played it in slow motion (several times) so we can see who it was. I have to say I was disappointed when I realized that it was Sawyer.

[Kiley]

It was Kate and Sawyer. My sister and I played it in slow motion (several times) so we can see who it was. I have to say I was disappointed when I realized that it was Sawyer.

See, now wouldn't it have been interesting if it was Claire and Jack? :eek: ;)

[Jenyfer9]

I used to be on the fence between Jack and Sawyer, but now, MAN, did you see Sawyer's face when Kate got back? Make my heart MELT! Plus, Jack's been an idiot lately.

[akacharlotte]

I used to be on the fence between Jack and Sawyer, but now, MAN, did you see Sawyer's face when Kate got back? Make my heart MELT! Plus, Jack's been an idiot lately.

I totally agree.

Regarding cancer on the island. The spiritual guru/healer in Australia told Rose he could not heal her there. He explained that there may be another center of energy that could heal her but not the one in Australia. Based on that I would think it is possible that because Ben was born on the island the healing properties may not work as well on him. He's been surrounded by those healing properties his entire life. Maybe he's become immune to the island's healing properties.

Last night I really felt bad for Juliet until the freakin end! However, I wonder if she is playing Ben like he plays her and everyone else. She clearly cares for and misses her sister. From the beginning(of her flashbacks) it was always about her sister. I do think she wants off the island and I think at this point she'll do anything.

Why did we not see the bank of communication equipment at Mikhail's before? It looked like it was in the open and not a dark, dank, shelter below.

Regarding Desmond being left alone....if Penny's father is heavily involved in Dharma perhaps there is a standing order to leave Desmond alone?

[allison]

Once agian, I missed the start of a new thread *sigh* Before I catch up on everything, I need to ask a question. In the EW column (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20034600,00.html)folks keep referring to "the purge" in regards to the Others. What is this "purge" they speak of? I think I missed it.

I believe the "purge" they speak of is when the Others killed off the Dharma people? Please correct me if I'm wrong. It came up in the epi when Sayid, Locke and Kate found the house with the Russian.

Lostpedia~the purge (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/The_purge)

Mikhail told them about it.

[sparkle&shine]

Okay I somehow missed an episode or wasn't paying enough attention but when was 'Jacob' mentioned? Who is he supposed to be?

Nevermind I used that Lostpedia to figure it out. Still don't know how I missed that.

[Kate&Joey]

Completely off-topic comment:

I had a Law & Order SVU repeat on last night and the actor that plays Ben was the *bad guy.* He was way creepy in that role, too! So weird to see him pre-Lost.

end hijack. :)

[kam]

I had a Law & Order SVU repeat on last night and the actor that plays Ben was the *bad guy.* He was way creepy in that role, too! So weird to see him pre-Lost.

I actually read an interview with him where they discussed him being the creepy guy. He also played a TOTAL creep on The Practice. He was a serial killer obsessed with one of the main characters and appeared in 5-10 episodes.

[ummserious]

It was Kate and Sawyer. My sister and I played it in slow motion (several times) so we can see who it was. I have to say I was disappointed when I realized that it was Sawyer.

See, now wouldn't it have been interesting if it was Claire and Jack?

We slowed it down too and it really, really looked like it could have been Desmond. I see no reason why it would be but it looked the most like him.

----

I am totally sticking to my theory that Juliet is a loose cannon. The more I think about it they have showed us how desperate she is to leave. She's all for herself and will try anything.

[SD601]

Seriously, with those eyes, how could Ben play anything else?

So if Juliette has found a way to keep pregnant women alive, then she is incredibly important to the Others, right? They can't let her go, ever? Or did she just develop a serum to keep them alive? Or was that story a complete ruse to get the Losties to trust her?

[jesseybell]

Sort of Spoiler for May 2nd espisode -
According to Ain't It Cool News, this will be the first episode ever that has no flashbacks.

[Katy]

Lostpedia~the purge (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/The_purge)

Mikhail told them about it.Thanks Allison!! :cool: I knew someone would be able to point me in the right direction.

ETA: Wow, I didnt' realize they had all that information out there on Lostpedia. They cover EVERYTHING don't they?

[thelittlebabu]

He also played a TOTAL creep on The Practice. He was a serial killer obsessed with one of the main characters and appeared in 5-10 episodes.
I knew he looked familiar! I was a Practice junkie.

[cocoa_femme]

Completely off-topic comment:

I had a Law & Order SVU repeat on last night and the actor that plays Ben was the *bad guy.* He was way creepy in that role, too! So weird to see him pre-Lost.

end hijack. :)

He was also in Saw. He was the guy at the doctor's house, holding his wife and daughter hostage.

[hub1176]

Interesting! But then what about Ben's tumor?


During Juliet's flashback you saw her tell Ben he had a tumor, and he looked very surprised. I think she said "You told me no one on the island could get cancer" or something to that effect. And the reason he let Locke come with them is because he is curious how Locke healed from his spinal injury and he hasn't healed from the surgery.

[allison]

Thanks Allison!! :cool: I knew someone would be able to point me in the right direction.

ETA: Wow, I didnt' realize they had all that information out there on Lostpedia. They cover EVERYTHING don't they?

No problem! I was sick awhile ago and wasted my time reading that site. Their boards are fun to read too.

[whos that girl]

Sometimes I think that I would like this show to have an end.

I liked the twist from this week's episode;

--->finding out that Juliette was supposed to be left behind to be a spy on the beach.<---

It wasn't that spectacular of a turning point though... because I saw it coming from a mile away.

[Rancid13]

We slowed it down too and it really, really looked like it could have been Desmond. I see no reason why it would be but it looked the most like him.


DH and I watched it several times in slo-mo and both agreed that it looked like Desmond. :eek:

[hub1176]

It wasn't that spectacular of a turning point though... because I saw it coming from a mile away.

This is so why I'm hoping that Jack has some sort of plan. It would be very cool if he wasn't about to be duped...again.

Even if Juliette wants to be with Jack the only one with the power to get her off the island is Ben and she knows that, so I imagine she will be going along with any plan Ben has cooked up.

[Tanya]

Was the "every pregnant woman dies" story just made up so that Juliet could cover the "crisis"? Ben said something that the injection they did would make her sick in 48 hours. Did they just recently inject her with something because they couldn't have known weeks ago that they would need Juliet to cover a crisis?

As a pp said, no, because that's the whole point of Juliet being on the island (as we saw in flashbacks). Didn't we see a flashback of Claire being implanted with something when she was kidnapped? They would have done it then, as a security measure.

[southerner]

Who's flashback is tomorrow night?

I just realized I ask the same question every week :o

[Kay]

Who's flashback is tomorrow night?

I just realized I ask the same question every week :o

I think its Desmond's based on the previews, but I don't read spoilers so its just a guess.

[udsweetpea]

I found something interesting but they probably didn't do it on purpose. The old lady who told Desmond he could see the future, she was in the movie "The Others". Just thought it was interesting.

[PG-rated]

Kay - I'm pretty sure you're right - I'm really excited about it! :D

[LeslieR]

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but I find it amusing that Juliet's last name is Burke. And she's a doctor. So, now we have a Dr. Shepherd and a Dr. Burke. Is there going to be a Dr. Sloan next?

I can't wait for tonight's episode and I can't believe I'm actually saying that again after how irritated I've been by this show for a while now!

[jesseybell]

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but I find it amusing that Juliet's last name is Burke. And she's a doctor. So, now we have a Dr. Shepherd and a Dr. Burke. Is there going to be a Dr. Sloan next?


I noticed that too. Actually I think it might have been DH and he doesn't watch GA that often.

I plan on being equally confused this week as the last Desmond flashback.

[giry76]

No comments yet?

I haven't watched the episode yet, but I always count on this tread to give me a heads up in the morning ;)

[krbb]

Did anyone else notice the picture on the monk's death had him and the lady from the store in Desmond's other flashback.

I assume that the girl who ejected was sent by Penelope to search for Desmond.

It was just an ok episode for me. I did have a good laugh when Sawyer asked Jack and Juliet if they were discussing their favorite other.

[jesseybell]

I did notice the picture on the Monk's desk.

I enjoyed this Desmond episode more than the last one. Though a lot of it did seem like filler - a long way to go to find out how he and Penny met.

Still more questions, but at least I didn't walk away feeling frustrated like I do after most episodes.

[jenji]

I liked the episode. I kept hoping it'd be Penny that came, but at the same time kind of knew they couldn't really do that. I'm glad that they're FINALLY coming back to that part of the season 2 finale though. I was wondering when they'd come back to it. I was actually watching the episode from season 2 earlier this week where Penny tells him that with enough money and determination you can find anyone.
I liked Jack and Sawyer playing ping-pong.
Anyone else think there's something weird up with Jack (other than the fact that he's suddenly more loyal to Juliet than the losties)? He just seems off. I mean I'm assuming he's not working with the others because when Ben and Juliet were talking the end of last episode he was saying Jack would believe her because Jack trusts her - indicating he didn't know what was going on, but still. he just seems weird.
I think the rest of the episodes this season are gonna be great!

[Jenyfer9]

I can't believe that there's only 4 episodes left until next season! Nooooooo!

[jesseybell]

I can't believe that there's only 4 episodes left until next season! Nooooooo!

4 episodes until the finale, so we still have 6 hours left.

[Jenyfer9]

wait... 4 plus the season finale? I know that the finale is 2 hrs long, but does that mean that there's actually 5 weeks left?

[udsweetpea]

I missed the last 10 minutes. Can someone fill me in? Thanks!

[PG-rated]

What was the last thing you saw? The last flashback was Desmond returning his robes to the abbott, who offered him a ride into town with another brother. He went to help load cases of wine into the SUV of a visitor who had bought it (or was distributing it? I wasn't sure), and lo and behold, it was Penny. They hit it off right away.

On the island, Desmond and Jin disagreed about where the parachuter landed, so they split up - Hurley with Jin and Desmond with Charlie. Charlie confronted Desmond about the fact that he had obviously "seen" the arrow trap in one of his flashes, and Desmond said that he keeps saving Charlie but it doesn't matter, and maybe he's being tested, i.e. he's supposed to let Charlie die. They all meet up at the parachuter, who's caught in a tree and seems dead. Desmond thinks he's killed Penny and cuts the body down. She regains consciousness and Desmond rips her helmet off, only to find a dark-haired woman. She whispers "Desmond" and passes out again.

[PG-rated]

I'm surprised at the lukewarm reaction from everyone else - I LOVED this episode. Of course, I'm obsessed with Desmond, but I also loved the whole Sawyer-Kate-Jack thing, which is the first time I've actually been interested in it. I'm slowly coming around to have sympathy for Sawyer. He clearly cares about Kate a lot, and it must be tough for him to be in second place. Plus I really enjoyed the "camping" scenes, just watching the characters interact with each other. The campfire horror story scene was great.

Also, I get really annoyed with Locke and his "destiny" theories, but I found it much more interesting with Desmond, maybe because he's actively struggling with it instead of being all high-minded about being "called" to the island. I suspect the show is ultimately going to endorse a message about destiny that I don't agree with (just based on what they've said so far), but I'm enjoying the process of getting there.

[southerner]

You know how Desmond kept saying something about you can't change the course of events? I get why he saved Charlie, but I wonder if/how that changed the course of events? Maybe it would have been Penny if he had let Charlie die? Not that thet could have done a switcharoo w/ who was hanging in the tree, just putting that out there.

My favorite line of the night was Sawyer's "want me to make you a mixed tape?" to Kate. First mention of Bernard we've heard in ages.

[mel7dog]

Sawyer cracked me up last night!

It seems weird that Desmond keeps seeing Charlie die. Is he meant to keep saving him like her has been? I keep thinking that maybe if Charlie did die other things would work themselves out.

I wish Kate and Jack would make out, but ti looks like she picked her man for now ;)

[PG-rated]

You know how Desmond kept saying something about you can't change the course of events? I get why he saved Charlie, but I wonder if/how that changed the course of events? Maybe it would have been Penny if he had let Charlie die? Not that thet could have done a switcharoo w/ who was hanging in the tree, just putting that out there.
I thought the idea was that she would've been alive if he had let Charlie die. But then she was alive anyway.

My suspicion is that he's supposed to save Charlie now, but when the time comes for him to die, Desmond will know it. He's thinking of this as an Abraham and Isaac style test, but I think it's actually more of a temptation - if you sacrifice Charlie, will you get Penny as a reward? I think he made he right cosmic choice.

[karen]

My favorite line of the night was Sawyer's "want me to make you a mixed tape?" to Kate.

That was my favorite line too.

I thought yesterday's episode was ok but I was only paying attention half the time. I was surprised that I was able to follow the storyline without giving it my full attention. I wished they gave us more about Desmond and Penny instead of just showing us how they met.

[Rosebud]

My favorite line of the night was Sawyer's "want me to make you a mixed tape?" to Kate.

Me too! That was hilarious.

I liked this episode. Desmond is a really interesting character, and I enjoyed seeing his growing desperation at being trapped on the island. I also think the Penny-Desmond love story is so compelling, and I'm convinced that if anyone is going to get everyone off the island, it will be Penney.

YAY also for some Kate-Sawyer love. Kate needs to get over Jack already. Sawyer is (a) hotter and (b) actually in love with her and not mooning over some creepy Other.

[whos that girl]

Last night, I though Desmond was going to step in front of the arrow and take his own life, because then he may have ended up back in Australia and redone his life (or so the concept goes after he got launched from the bunker).

That was until we figured out he thought Penny was coming for him.

[Secret_Squirrel]

Just caught up on two weeks on the dvr... I hope Jack is playing Juliette in return. Jack's a smart guy. And cynical.

[Katy]

Just caught up on two weeks on the dvr... I hope Jack is playing Juliette in return. Jack's a smart guy. And cynical.I'm with you. I really think that Jack knows what he's doing. That was the whole point of the tattoos (he walks with them, but isn't one, blah, blah), remember?

I did catch the picture on the monk's desk. I even fast forwarded it to show the hubby, though it took me a minute to remember WHO she actually was. Very interesting.

I loved Jin's scary story. Cracked me up. I wonder what he really said (might have to research that).

[chefker]

I'm with you. I really think that Jack knows what he's doing. That was the whole point of the tattoos (he walks with them, but isn't one, blah, blah), remember?


Ahhh, the tattoos! Interesting point, that I had forgotten about. I'm sure we'll see the 'old' Jack come back once he realizes that Juliet is totally lying. I do agree he's not acting like himself right now.

Only 5 more episodes left this season, I think!

[GoCougs]

My suspicion is that he's supposed to save Charlie now, but when the time comes for him to die, Desmond will know it. He's thinking of this as an Abraham and Isaac style test, but I think it's actually more of a temptation - if you sacrifice Charlie, will you get Penny as a reward? I think he made he right cosmic choice.

I agree with this theory. It's as if Desmond knows at some point he may have to sacrifice something in the present for the greater good of the future.

[pocket]

Lost Speculation.

Kate chose Sawyer when she begged Jack to save him. She feels very guilty for choosing him since she certainly led Jack on. She loves them both, but she likes Sawyer more. They have more in common anyway. Plus – dang! Those are some hot sex scenes. No way Lost would focus on chemistry like that and not deliver a love story in the end.

Locke and Jack talked before Locke left with the Others. Locke came to say goodbye to him just as he came to say goodbye to Kate. Jack is keeping an eye on Juliet. That’s the real reason he spends so much time with her. He likes her too, but he knows she is conning him. He forgives her because he understands that she will do anything at all to get off the island.

Locke’s father is the man who ruined Sawyer’s family. This will bring Sawyer in permanently on Locke’s side when Locke comes back. He will be back to disrupt the Others’ evil plan just as he and Jack planned.

The Losties will be split between Jack and Locke in the Season Finale. This is just a con to fool the Others. Jack and Locke are working together. It’s Ben who wants them to be at odds with each other. He’s been trying to work them since the Hatch and in fact, that’s the whole reason he came to the Hatch.

Sun and Jin conceived on the island. If they conceived off-island, that’s a story about betrayal and lying. If they conceived on the island, that’s a story about the healing power of the island and what happens to pregnant women on the island. Kate is also going to get KU by Sawyer. He will find out that she is the one who sent him to jail in Season 5 and that will come between them.

Nadia isn’t going to live long, but she will forgive Sayid and she will tell Desmond that Penny is coming. Penny is the one who will save them all and her father is DHARMA.

Ben is a powerful psychic and his powers are amplified by the island. He can have anything he wants just by thinking about it. Like a spinal surgeon. Some of the Losties also have these powers.

[PG-rated]

I rewatched this episode over the weekend, and I thought it was weird that Desmond was so sure it was Penny trapped in the jungle after they found a copy of Catch-22 in a foreign language and a scan of the picture of them. Both of those things would indicate that it wasn't Penny. Why would she have a translation of a book? And the photo seemed like it was for identification purposes, since Penny would have one of the originals.

[Katy]

Nadia isn’t going to live long, but she will forgive Sayid and she will tell Desmond that Penny is coming. Penny is the one who will save them all and her father is DHARMA.Woah! :eek: was that Nadia?!?! How do we know? How would she have a connection to Penny in the UK, when she's out in LA?

[Jenyfer9]

I was going to ask the same thing, Katy.

[Jenyfer9]

According to Lostpedia, the girl that parachuted in was "Naomi", not Nadia. Not played by the same actress, so I don't think that they'd try to combine those 2 storylines.

[KK812]

According to Lostpedia, the girl that parachuted in was "Naomi", not Nadia. Not played by the same actress, so I don't think that they'd try to combine those 2 storylines.

Yep, definitely not the same person.

Ben is a powerful psychic and his powers are amplified by the island. He can have anything he wants just by thinking about it. Like a spinal surgeon. Some of the Losties also have these powers.

:confused: If that were the case wouldn't Ben be healed? I don't think willed a spinal surgeon to come to the island-he didn't know there was one on the plane until he had the one guy(was it Ethan?) get write-ups about everybody on the plane.

Really good spoilers for this weeks episode re:Naomi

Lost Spoilers offers us a summary of the spoilers Cuse and Lindelof revealed in the latest podcast: Jae Lee commited suicide. Sun's father didn't push him off the balcony. Damon and Carlton made a point to mention that the father of Sun's baby could be Jin, Jae Lee, or a mystery person. Apparently, some people thought Jae Lee was murdered. Penny sent the parachutist. Damon and Carlton do not refer to her as Naomi.Naomi will be explained further in "D.O.C." More of Juliet's motives will be shown in "D.O.C."
Source: SpoilerFix

ETA Some more spoilers from SpoilerFix for future episodes

May 9:
Ben begrudgingly begins to introduce Locke to the secrets of the island, beginning with the mysterious Jacob. Meanwhile, Juliet's secret goes public.
Ben has been in love.

May 16
While Jack devises a plan to do away with “The Others” once and for all, Sayid uncovers a flaw in “The Others’” system that could lead to everyone’s rescue. But it requires Charlie to take on a dangerous task that may make Desmond’s premonition come true.
They are filming in a] rainy alley way....Charlie is wearing the same black leather jacket and carrying his guitar just like the flashbackscene he had with Desmond so this is a continuation of that same day Desmond met Charlie singing on the sidewalk. A lady is being mugged in the alley way... It's Naomi. He saves her from the mugger with the knife. Hmmm, so I would assume that Naomi knows Desmond because at this scene, it puts them all in the same general area on the same day. They are also setting up now at the same corner where Desmond and Charlie came upon each other in London, only they have a big "green screen", and they haven't decorated anything else, so I'm assuming they'll be bringing down the rainmaking stuff and Desmond may show up with Charlie and/or Naomi to tie it all together and they will just green screen the rest later in the background.

General Season 3 Spoilers
The mystery of the wire, including where it goes to and what it does will be answered this season. Ben wasn't conceived in a test tube. Don't believe Ben when he says he was born on the island. Ben wasn't the father of Savinne's child. For the (insert insanely large number here) time, Christian Shepherd is DEAD! We have not seen Jacob in a previous episode and won't until he is revealed. There will be a Rousseau flashback eventually. In it, it will talk about Montand and his arm.

[PG-rated]

BTW, I was reading the summary on Lostpedia, and they pointed out that Desmond's flash of Naomi's rescue showed Charlie alive, so clearly Desmond was supposed to save him from the arrow, or else he wouldn't have been alive to find her.

[pocket]

oh yeah, you are totally right about Naomi/Nadia. well, I still say she dies. but here's my retionale about Jack: the reason i think jack is faking with juliet is the poker. we don't know that much about jack, but we know he's ambitious, loyal, intelligent and hardworking. he's not good at sizing other people up accurately so he depends mostly on himself. he has the ability to focus intensely on something or he couldn't be a surgeon. he takes his responsibilities seriously, he is a leader among men which makes him feel conflicted as he is always set apart and..... he's a great poker player. he can hold a poker face for a long damn time.

[KGif]

Okay so I just watched my TiVo'd episode yesterday morning.
question for you -- haven't seen it discussed yet so it may have just been a fluke with my Tivo - but did you all hear snapping for a period of time during this episode? I believe it started during one of the flashbacks at the monestary and lasted thru a scene back on the island. Anyone? Anyone? Just me losing my mind?
It was not static or anything like that - it was a pronounced snapping that you could hear above the actors dialog.

[c'est la vie]

Okay so I just watched my TiVo'd episode yesterday morning.
question for you -- haven't seen it discussed yet so it may have just been a fluke with my Tivo - but did you all hear snapping for a period of time during this episode? I believe it started during one of the flashbacks at the monestary and lasted thru a scene back on the island. Anyone? Anyone? Just me losing my mind?
It was not static or anything like that - it was a pronounced snapping that you could hear above the actors dialog.

YES! I thought it was some type of cable problem when it was recorded

[diam124]

Oh, that's so weird - we heard that too and thought it was a problem with our tv/stereo!

[Jenyfer9]

Huh, we didn't have that on ours.

[Rancid13]

Sun and Jin conceived on the island. If they conceived off-island, that’s a story about betrayal and lying. If they conceived on the island, that’s a story about the healing power of the island and what happens to pregnant women on the island. Kate is also going to get KU by Sawyer. He will find out that she is the one who sent him to jail in Season 5 and that will come between them.


Um, Season 5 hasn't happened yet, or is this speculation about what will happen in Season 5?? And I didn't know that Kate is the one who sent Sawyer to jail. When did that happen????:confused: :confused:

[udsweetpea]

Um, Season 5 hasn't happened yet, or is this speculation about what will happen in Season 5?? And I didn't know that Kate is the one who sent Sawyer to jail. When did that happen????:confused: :confused:

pocket titled that post as "Lost Speculation".

[pocket]

*twilight zone music*

I'm writing you from the post-hatch-implosion alternate time line universe of 2008. FYI Cheney is president, we are at war with Iran and Britney Spears started a national head-shaving trend.

[Rose]

I don't know if we'll even make it to Season 5. Haven't the producers said they have it all planned out to around 90-ish episodes and they don't want to go past that???

[Reebs]

Happy Lost Day!!

[KGif]

Snapping - I'm thinking that snapping meant something. With Lost nothing is ever a mistake!
Now I wish I wouldn't have deleted it so I could have gone back and counted the number of snaps or something :)

[yby1]

I don't know if we'll even make it to Season 5. Haven't the producers said they have it all planned out to around 90-ish episodes and they don't want to go past that???

I thought they were planning on doing 5 seasons and no more.

[diam124]

Snapping - I'm thinking that snapping meant something. With Lost nothing is ever a mistake!
Now I wish I wouldn't have deleted it so I could have gone back and counted the number of snaps or something :)

Were you watching it in HD by any chance? We seem to have "technical difficulties" a lot when we watch Lost in HD. I seem to remember that we changed the channel to the regular ABC station and it didn't have the clicking. (but I don't remember if when we turned back to HD the clicking was still there).

[Reebs]

RE: Snapping...I may have missed this discussion somewhere back but are you talking about the noises in the sky when the light was flashing? I heard them too. They have to mean something. Or maybe you are tlaking about something completely different. If so, sorry. :o

[Rancid13]

RE: Snapping...I may have missed this discussion somewhere back but are you talking about the noises in the sky when the light was flashing? I heard them too. They have to mean something. Or maybe you are tlaking about something completely different. If so, sorry. :o

I heard those 'snaps' during this time also. It reminded me of someone (or something?) taking pictures, with the snapping & flashing. Hopefully I'll have a bit of free time @ work today so I can rewatch last week's episode.

[pocket]

Me today:

On the outside: Blah, blah, 24% increase in recruitment rates, blah blah database access blah blah
On the inside: Lost, lost, lost, lost, lost, lost, lost, lost, lost, lost, lost, lost, lost, lost, lost.
On the outside: Dr. X, we are interested in engaging you for blah blah blah blah
On the inside: Dr…Dr…Juliet is a doctor, Jack is a doctor, Ethan was a doctor
On the outside: B, I really appreciate the hard you did with the blah blah blah
On the inside: Man, B looks a lot like Matthew Fox. Only 12 hours until Lost!

[jesseybell]

snapping/clicking - Us and all our friends who have hi-def heard it and those who don't didn't hear it. ABC seemed screwy last week. Me and my friends with hi-def had problems with Desperate Housewives last week where there was music but no talking for a while. If you turned it to the regular station there was no problems.

[diam124]

That's what I thought the problem might be. Like I said, we seem to have some glitches almost every week when we watch Lost. I don't think we regularly watch any other shows on ABC.

[Jenyfer9]

Man, Kate's really done herself in now... she slept w/Sawyer TWICE! :p

[jesseybell]

So the Others expect Kate to be pregnant? But what about "the other women" Juliet is supposed to be testing?

I always like Jin and Sun episodes. See Jin fight (could they have maybe taken his shirt off for those scenes :) )

I wonder what the parachute woman was really saying. No doubt someone on boards somewhere will know.

[Clubqueen]

The parachute woman wasn't really saying "Thank You". The eye-patch guy was lying.

She was saying, "I'm not alone". And I can't believe Hurley didn't pick that up, understanding Spanish like he does. I'm not sure if the parachute woman was speaking Italian (like eye-patch guy claimed she was) but if she was, it sounded very similar to Spanish.
So this means that eye-patch guy is gonna go looking for the other person(s) that was in the helicopter with parachute woman, and Desmond, Hurley, Jin and Charlie have no idea.

And why did parachute woman say that they found the wreckage of Flight 815 and there were no survivors? Did the Others stage a fake crash site elsewhere just so nobody would come looking for the survivors on the island? Was there another flight? Are the survivors really "dead" and don't realize it yet?

Argh, so many questions!

[Neen]

I did a WTF when parachute woman said ther were no survivors of flight 815. That would tie in the the purgatory theory that was out there awhile ago. But we know that people can leave the island so I don't buy it.

I liked the Sun/Jin flash backs.

[diam124]

Wow - that ending was crazy. Even my DH (who has been kind of anti-Lost this season) said that was a good twist.

I really don't understand how "Patchy" is still alive. Were all the Losties dead and then came back to life?

[heather1029]

The parachute woman wasn't really saying "Thank You". The eye-patch guy was lying.

She was saying, "I'm not alone". And I can't believe Hurley didn't pick that up, understanding Spanish like he does. I'm not sure if the parachute woman was speaking Italian (like eye-patch guy claimed she was) but if she was, it sounded very similar to Spanish.
So this means that eye-patch guy is gonna go looking for the other person(s) that was in the helicopter with parachute woman, and Desmond, Hurley, Jin and Charlie have no idea.

And why did parachute woman say that they found the wreckage of Flight 815 and there were no survivors? Did the Others stage a fake crash site elsewhere just so nobody would come looking for the survivors on the island? Was there another flight? Are the survivors really "dead" and don't realize it yet?

Argh, so many questions!

I'm almost positive she's an Other. Like the woman who allowed herself to be shot by Patchy, this woman allows herself to go through this immense pain -- I think because she knows she'll be healed by the island. She's a plant.

[KK812]

I really don't understand how "Patchy" is still alive. Were all the Losties dead and then came back to life?

I was really confused about that as well. I guess the fence didn't wound him bad enough that he couldn't be healed? Weird

Heather I don't know if you read spoilers but, in white Producers have said that Naomi will not be a survivor or an other, and that Penny sent her...

Naomi brings a really interesting POV, since she was on the outside of the crash looking in. Should be fun!

[allison]

I really don't understand how "Patchy" is still alive. Were all the Losties dead and then came back to life?

Dh and I were thinking the same thing, then we remembered the Dharma Foundation website. You can't see it anymore, but there was something on there about the Life-Extension Project or something like that. We're guessing maybe Patchy still being alive has something to do with that, maybe? Maybe we're reaching? :p

[heather1029]

Naomi brings a really interesting POV, since she was on the outside of the crash looking in. Should be fun!


Interesting. In white: But, do we know if Penny is working for her daddy...and perhaps he's behind the Others? So, down the line, this woman is evil?

[cocoa_femme]

Loved the Sun/Jin flashbacks! I agree with whomever posted that Jin fighting would've been better - with his shirt off! I also like how dark Sun got, when she gave Jin's mother that money.

[KK812]

Interesting. In white:

Very true!

[akacharlotte]

DH laughed at me last night because I said "What" in the exact same way and at the exact same time as Hurley. LOL. I thought the producers/writers have said this is not going to end up as the Losties are dead or stuck in purgatory. I don't think I'll be happy with an ending like that.

I enjoyed Sun & Jin's backstory. I also agree with a PP who mentioned Jin needed to fight with his shirt off!

If Naomi said she is not alone do you think Penny is with her? In the previews for this season there was that one shot, in white: of Penny standing in the jungle looking wet if I remember correctly.

As for the previews of next week does anyone really think Locke kidnapped Ben? I think Locke's father is under the burlap bag. If Locke's dad is the original Sawyer, our Sawyer may kill him and never know. Although I don't think Sawyer will kill him anyway.

So glad we know who the father of Sun's baby is for sure unless Juliet lied to her.

[Jenyfer9]

Re: what Naomi said... I believe that she was speaking Italian because I understood part of what she was saying, but not all of it (I speak Spanish and the two languages are both based on the same structure).

[yby1]

Great episode last night! Jacob's list might be some type of procreation list.

[Kay]

So is everyone dead? OR did they die but the Island brought them back to life? I think maybe the Others faked another crash somewhere so no one would come looking for the Losties. What about all the people who have died on the Island? How come they didn't come back to life? Or was Patchy really not dead but just seriously injured from that gate? So many questions after this episode. I am glad that Jin is the father and I hope Sun doesn't die. Maybe she will be the first one to survive being pregnant on the Island.

[jesseybell]

Are the survivors really "dead" and don't realize it yet?



I haven't read ahead yet to other replies.
But we've been assured by the producers that they are not dead.


People at work said that she was speaking several different languages. But why didn't Hurley say that since he understood the spanish -wouldn't he have commented on it.

[yby1]

People at work said that she was speaking several different languages. But why didn't Hurley say that since he understood the spanish -wouldn't he have commented on it.

Why would he have to? It would seem obvious to the other losties and the audience that she was speaking several dialects.

[Katy]

I wondered the same thing about Hurley - if he speaks Spanish, he should have been able to figure out some of the Italian she was saying.

I loved the flashbacks. I loved Jin - and yes, shirtless would have been better! I love Sun and how she's "daddy's little girl" yet still so tough.

Patchy really threw me for a loop! I'm guessing that the forcefield really just stuns you for a while.

[erin16nj]

Quick question.....

Naomi (parachute girl) told Hurley there were no survivors, they are all dead.

That makes it seem like they actually found bodies and not just a plane. Why else would she be so sure they were dead?

[ummserious]

Didn't they all see Patchy still laying on the ground when they went back that way again through the forcefield?

[akacharlotte]

Didn't they all see Patchy still laying on the ground when they went back that way again through the forcefield?

I'm assuming they took a different route back to the beach. I thought Kate or Locke checked Patchy's pulse once they went over the forcefield and declared him dead.

[jesseybell]

That makes it seem like they actually found bodies and not just a plane. Why else would she be so sure they were dead?

I said the same thing to DH last night - usually when there is a plane crash they are able to identify some of the dead. Wouldn't people know they weren't on flight 815?

[c'est la vie]

I'm assuming they took a different route back to the beach. I thought Kate or Locke checked Patchy's pulse once they went over the forcefield and declared him dead.

I remember that too. And I just thought of something...if nothing stays buried in the island (somebody said that) could Paulo and the chick come back to life?

[allison]

What if Patchy really wasn't dead? What if Locke either just thought he was dead, or if he just said he was dead?

[Neen]

So if dead peopole come back, does that mean Boone will be back??

[tlew12778]

The parachute girl was speaking Italian at intervals. She was speaking a lot of languages. In Italian she said she was dying. I will go back and re-watch that scene.

Didn't Patchy try to take something and off himself? Maybe it was some sort of protective medicine.

I was thinking that Dharma could easily fake flight 815 being found -- even if it meant staging the entire thing with 300 bodies or whatever.

ETA: The only thing she said in Italian was "Help me. I'm dying." She definitely said she was not alone to the Russian guy but it was in Spanish I think. It sounded like "No estoy sola."

[KGif]

Okay I'm still a bit disappointed that the snapping was only a high-def glitch thing. I was SO certain that I alone had uncovered some super top secret Lost clue! Hehehhe.

LOVED this week's episode. I enjoy the Jin/Sun flasbacks -- Sun (well the actress who plays her - is really just so beautiful). Liked the "there were no survivors" bit at the end. The scenes with Juliet and Sun at the hatch truly had me on the edge of my seat as I was waiting for an "other" to pop out and grab Sun. Really one of the best episodes I've seen in quite a while!

[udsweetpea]

I loved how Juliet said "I hate you" after she ended the recording. It truly shows she doesn't want to follow Ben's plan and can be somewhat trustworthy.

[Rancid13]

ETA: The only thing she said in Italian was "Help me. I'm dying." She definitely said she was not alone to the Russian guy but it was in Spanish I think. It sounded like "No estoy sola."

According to our closed captioning, she was speaking Portuguese. And if that's the case, she most definitely did not say "thank you for helping me" according to the Babel Fish translator. "Thank you for helping me" in Portuguese is "obrigado ajudando a me."

[tlew12778]

Yeah you know I was sort of thinking Portuguese too but I do capoeira and there's no mixing it up really as the sounds are very different. I think that some parts of what she said were definitely in Portuguese but "I am not alone" in Portuguese is "Eu não estou sozinho". Could've been though.

It will be interesting to see if 1) Patchy goes off looking for other parachuters and 2) if any other parachuters ended up on the island alive.

[BridalLace]

i really am liking LOST again, even though when it started up in February again i vowed i would not get involved. i particularly liked the episodes of the past few weeks because i think its great that this show has so much diversity - we can get more acquainted with Australian and Korean culture, for instance - and i love hearing Korean spoken and the Australian accent etc.

i really think Sun is a beautiful woman and i love watching her interactions with Jin and her father - all the Asian interpretations of debt, loyalty, and shame - i liked watching her interview with Jin's father, how she held the cup with both hands every time he poured her a drink (that's something i learned in Japan; i didn't know it was also a Korean custom.) most of all, i appreciate that they don't condenscend to the audience by pretending everyone in Korea magically somehow speaks English; i like that they show an Asian standard of beauty, i like that Sun is an obedient wife and tough as nails at the same time, and i LOVE the contrast between the two beautiful women - Juliet and Sun - facing each other down - i've seen so many times on OTHER TV shows that they just CAN'T have two beautiful women in the same scene, one definitely has to out-beautify the other, maybe nobody would agree with me, but i've felt personally that that's how TV has been in the past. there can only be one beautiful woman per scene or per show or something.

i think this show breaks down barriers in so many ways, and its a pity that they are only planning to do a few seasons overall. i hope it leads to more high standard, well written shows in the future, too.

i have not seen very much an Asian standard of beauty in the past on American TV - most Asian actresses on American TV seem to have super long, straight, flat hair, and no bangs on their forehead. i like how Sun is so beautiful by her own standards, not by anyone else's.

hope my ideas of American TV and the stereotypes that seem to exist there, for me anyway, do not offend anyone. i think LOST is a great show for just so many reasons. it shows that the writers and producers know how to step outside the box in so many ways, that they're very worldly and able to recognize and value things from far away, and bring those things to the audience, as well. that is an amazing gift. :)

[c'est la vie]

According to our closed captioning, she was speaking Portuguese.hum...I'll have to re-watch that scene as I didn't catch her speaking Portuguese,and I do speak Portuguese.
Sun is really beautiful and I also enjoy watching her flashbacks.

[Rose]

Sun is really beautiful and I also enjoy watching her flashbacks.


Third that. She's absolutely beautiful.

Were the two men in the plane at the very end of last season speaking Portuguese? They were sent by Penny.

[Scooter]

Anyone know if they're ever going to let us know what happened to Michael and Walt?

I said the same thing to DH last night - usually when there is a plane crash they are able to identify some of the dead. Wouldn't people know they weren't on flight 815?


So here's what DH & I have been talking about. (Warning, wild speculation ahead!) Here are some guesses:

1. The Dharma Corp needed more people for their experiments, so they had flight 815 fly over the island, knowing it would crash.

and/or

2. The plane crash was covered up by Dharma Corp, so that the survivors could be part of their experiments. Oceanic may be owned by Dharma?

or

3. Oceanic covered it up because it looks better to have everyone found and dead (as they would have been presumed, anyway) than to not have any idea at all where the plane went.

4. The Others locked Sawyer & Kate up in those cages (and her in a sundress) and put them through all that torture and labor so that they'd grow closer, have sex, and hopefully conceive a baby.

5. The Others have been scaring the group because having a common enemy brings them together, which encourages more relationships and hopefully more pregnancies.

I know, we're totally cynical about everything. :p

[c'est la vie]

Were the two men in the plane at the very end of last season speaking Portuguese? They were sent by Penny.
They were!

[akacharlotte]

Scooter-I like some of your theories! Especially #5!

I saw a preview Saturday night for Lost and in it Jack and Juliet are talking to Kate. Kate asks Jack a question and Juliet looks at Jack and asked, "Should we tell her?" Jacks says, "Not yet."

WTF is that all about? I can't wait until Wednesday! DH and I leaving for our honeymoon on Sunday and we are hoping the resort has cable and shows ABC so we can watch Lost next week. LOL.

[chefker]

I saw a preview Saturday night for Lost and in it Jack and Juliet are talking to Kate. Kate asks Jack a question and Juliet looks at Jack and asked, "Should we tell her?" Jacks says, "Not yet."


My theories--it's one of two things:

1. Maybe Jack knows full well that Juliet is working with Ben--basically, making the Others think she is still one of them, while Juliet & Jack are planning some kind of action against them all along.

2. Or--Kate is pregnant, and Juliet somehow 'knows' this. Didn't she mention when making her recording for Ben, that she still had to get a 'sample from Austen'? Wonder if they mean a urine sample for a pregnancy test.

[mel7dog]

Naomi spoke 4 languages after she landed. Spanish, Russian, Portuguese, than English. I am pretty sure she was speaking Portuguese when she said she was not alone. My DH is fluent in Spanish and recognized the first two words "I am" because they were very similar to Spanish, and knew Patchy was lying. You'd think Hurley would have done the same.

[LIZNKEITH]

First time posting here, but thought I'd throw a few things out there for you to chew on.

1. I still think Jin is not the father of Sun's baby. Maybe I'm reading in to it too much, but Juliet calculated her pregnancy at 8 weeks.I found it interesting that she had commented to Jack that her morning sickness had passed (it's usually really gearing up at that point in a pregnany), and also that they were able to use an external u/s machine that early in the pregnancy. Generally an external u/s can't detect a baby until around the 12th week from what I remember.

2. One of my co workers reminded me that the fuselage of the plane had been washed back out to sea with some of the dead still on it. Could it be that this is what was picked up and why they assumed every one else on board was dead?

[chefker]

re: the fuselage - Didn't they find that in the jungle? I could swear they found one of the pilots, barely alive, hanging in his seat. I think Boone was in the party that found it, so that would be season one...
I seem to remember they found a radio in the cockpit, tried to get it to work, and it died.

[LIZNKEITH]

From what I remember, the plane broke in to 3 parts: the very front/cockpit, the middle section, and the tailies. The cockpit section landed on the island, as did the tail section (that was where Anna Lucia, Eko, etc.) were sitting. The main section of the plane landed on the shore.

[Scooter]

re: the fuselage - Didn't they find that in the jungle? I could swear they found one of the pilots, barely alive, hanging in his seat. I think Boone was in the party that found it, so that would be season one...
I seem to remember they found a radio in the cockpit, tried to get it to work, and it died.

I think that was one of the first few episodes.

Yeah, the cockpit was like hanging against a tree. Kate, Jack, and I don't remember who else climbed in there. One of the pilots was still alive, but the Monster (black smoke I think) broke through the windsheild, pulled him out, and killed him. I thought it was where they got that radio from that they were using during season 1--the one they used to hear the french distress signal that had been playing on a loop for 16 years.

[Jenyfer9]

It was Kate, Jack, and Charlie on that "mission" because Charlie got his stash from the plane's bathroom.

[sparkle&shine]

1. I still think Jin is not the father of Sun's baby. Maybe I'm reading in to it too much, but Juliet calculated her pregnancy at 8 weeks.I found it interesting that she had commented to Jack that her morning sickness had passed (it's usually really gearing up at that point in a pregnany), and also that they were able to use an external u/s machine that early in the pregnancy. Generally an external u/s can't detect a baby until around the 12th week from what I remember.


I doubt that they would really want to explain/show a 'cooter cam' u/s done on Tv. A regular u/s gets the point across ;) I won't fault them for that :)

There are a lot of people going back and forth on the timeline. According to timelines Jin & Sun were most likely not having marital relations at the time counted back from 53 days.

[LIZNKEITH]

I doubt that they would really want to explain/show a 'cooter cam' u/s done on Tv. A regular u/s gets the point across ;) I won't fault them for that :)

LOL…no, I certainly can’t fault them for that either. But, I do think it was interesting that Juliet made a point to say “It may be too early, don’t worry if we don’t see anything…yada yada yada”.

[akacharlotte]

I thought the tail section landed in the water. AL woke up in the water and almost everyone was wet. She also concluded that Goodwin was an Other since he was one of the only ones not wet.

What is the current on island time? I was thinking about 3 months.

chefker-Good ideas. I was thinking something more sinister. :)

[sparkle&shine]

LOL…no, I certainly can’t fault them for that either. But, I do think it was interesting that Juliet made a point to say “It may be too early, don’t worry if we don’t see anything…yada yada yada”.


Yeah, well she also asked when the last time she had sex with her husband was :p Cause you know you can learn so much about conception from that.

What is the current on island time? I was thinking about 3 months.

I beleive that it is day 88. So it should be right near Christmas for them. There are great timelines out there if you really want to see details!

[Jenyfer9]

And we all know what happened Dec 26th, 2004!

[udsweetpea]

And we all know what happened Dec 26th, 2004!

Oh that's right! The tsunami! Good thinking.

[chefker]

Oh that's right! The tsunami! Good thinking.

Oh yeah! I wonder how much of 'real world' events they'll incorporate into the script--will they even mention the tsunami, when 12/26 rolls around in 'island time'? Hmm...


1. I still think Jin is not the father of Sun's baby. Maybe I'm reading in to it too much, but Juliet calculated her pregnancy at 8 weeks.

I agree with this too. I think the baby really is baldy's, but Juliet (out of sympathy?) wants Sun to think it's Jin's. Of course, Sun also thinks she only has two months to live now.

[Jenyfer9]

Oh yeah! I wonder how much of 'real world' events they'll incorporate into the script--will they even mention the tsunami, when 12/26 rolls around in 'island time'? Hmm...
Well seeing as they are in the Pacific (I don't think that it is a stretch to assume that), I would think that they'll be impacted by it somehow...

[Scooter]

I just looked up a timeline, and Sparkle you're right about it being day 88 when Juliet and Sun did the u/s. If Sun's 8 weeks exactly and we assume she conceived on cycle day 14 (since we can bet that's what the show would assume), it means she had to conceive within a couple days of Day 46 on the Island. But we know Jin set sail on the raft on Day 44. I seem to remember around that time they were getting along, and they were both really sad he was leaving. Maybe it was goodbye sex? :p

[Scooter]

I agree with this too. I think the baby really is baldy's, but Juliet (out of sympathy?) wants Sun to think it's Jin's. Of course, Sun also thinks she only has two months to live now.

If the baby was Baldy's, Sun would have had to get pregnant at least 89 days ago, which would put her pregnancy at 14.5 wks along, minimum. That would be a pretty big difference, very obvious on an ultrasound.

[chefker]

If the baby was Baldy's, Sun would have had to get pregnant at least 89 days ago

Hmm...I suppose it's feasible that Sun might not be showing TOO much at
14-ish weeks. But she's barely got a bump, as far as we've seen, anyway. I'm trying to remember how much I was showing around that time when I was PG...I think I popped out right around that time, IIRC.

LOL at 'cooter cam'! :p

[Jenyfer9]

I don't think that the writers want to turn Sun's pregnancy into a infedility (sp?) issue, so I think that they won't go back on the fact that it is Jin's baby. Oh, and I just read this spoiler: Life & Style magazine is reporting that Dominic Monaghan has been told he won't be back for next season. Source: Kristin on E!Online [Note: Evangeline Lily claims that Dominic doesn't know if Charlie will die or not. There have been no confirmation from cast and crew that Charlie will indeed die.]
Has this been posted? I can't remember.

[Scooter]

Hmm...I suppose it's feasible that Sun might not be showing TOO much at
14-ish weeks. But she's barely got a bump, as far as we've seen, anyway. I'm trying to remember how much I was showing around that time when I was PG...I think I popped out right around that time, IIRC. I think it would be possible, IF they hadn't done an ultrasound. But a fetus at 8wks along is so much tinier and less well-developed than one who's 15 wks along, it doesn't seem like a mistake a doctor would make.

[mel7dog]

I do think Sun's baby is Jin's and that she is 8w along. I don't think it's weird at all for morning sickness to stop at 8w (mine did) and you can detect a pregnancy even earlier with an external ultrasound. I rememeber Juliet saying it may be too early to see the heartbeat, not that baby.

[Bernie & Matt]

Generally an external u/s can't detect a baby until around the 12th week from what I remember.

FWIW, I had an external u/s for both my pregnancies, one at 7 weeks and another at 8 weeks. We were able to see an alien-like blob and hear the heartbeat both times.

[sparkle&shine]

I just looked up a timeline, and Sparkle you're right about it being day 88 when Juliet and Sun did the u/s. If Sun's 8 weeks exactly and we assume she conceived on cycle day 14 (since we can bet that's what the show would assume), it means she had to conceive within a couple days of Day 46 on the Island. But we know Jin set sail on the raft on Day 44. I seem to remember around that time they were getting along, and they were both really sad he was leaving. Maybe it was goodbye sex? :p

See we don't need to guess though. The u/s showed that the baby was 53(?) days since conception give or take 1 day. So we just need to look back at the timeline to see what happened on day 35 (give or take a day). Wasn't Jin still mad about her knowing English? It could have been good-bye sex.

They should have planned it so that the D.O.C. was for that episode when Jin came out of the Tent shirtless and it was obvious what had just happened ;) This way people wouldn't get all worked up in the details! I know that they want us to know that it is Jin's for sure and stop questioning but they should have been more careful of the timeline.

[Scooter]

See we don't need to guess though. The u/s showed that the baby was 53(?) days since conception give or take 1 day. So we just need to look back at the timeline to see what happened on day 35 (give or take a day). Wasn't Jin still mad about her knowing English? It could have been good-bye sex.Wait, why would it be 56 days? Di