LOST - Season Three - Volume Two

[LIZNKEITH]

My BFF turned me on to that site a few months ago. I'm a person who hates surprises. ;)

[Rancid13]

My BFF turned me on to that site a few months ago. I'm a person who hates surprises. ;)

I hate surprises too, especially the really good ones.

If what that spoiler website says is true, then we're in for a very interesting episode tonight at the very least. That's a LOT to process.:)

[Katy]

if it was *just* a spoiler, I'd take a peek. But I don't want an entire show synopsis. I'll just wait and be shocked as it all goes down. Can't wait!!!

[Kay]

I hate Jack more and more with each passing week. Kate needs to keep her mouth shut. Sawyer was incredible. Josh H. deserves an emmy for his performance tonight. I was almost in tears for Sawyer.

Hell??? I don't think they are in hell. I think the plane with the bodies under the water was another plane or planted by the Others.

[yby1]

Hot damn! GREAT episode. I love John Locke so much I want to have his babies. ;) I have much love for Sawyer too - I almost cried for him.

[Katy]

great epi tonight but man I wanted Sawyer to kick Locke's ass for lying to him and getting him to do his dirty work. But I agree that JH did a great job. I'm actually surprised that Kate said all that in front of Juliet considering there was so much info.

I wonder what the "we should tell her" "not yet" thing was all about.

[krbb]

I wonder what the "we should tell her" "not yet" thing was all about.

I think Jack knows that Ben sent Juliett to spy on them.

I thought it was a good episode. Are there other pregnant besides Sun? It seems that Ben is worried that Locke is going to take over his place.

I slowed down the previews and it flashed the name Roger Workman. Does that ring a bell with anyone?

[mel7dog]

Great episode. I kinda figured out the who John's Dad being Sawyer since a few people in this thread mentioned it. Still it was a good story and I was glad Sawyer finally got to give him the letter.

As far as how John's Dad got to the island, maybe there is some type of time travel thing going on?

[diam124]

Are there other pregnant besides Sun?

I wonder if Juliet could be pregnant with Jack's baby? They have been spending an awful lot of time together and maybe she thinks they would let her off the island so she wouldn't die? Maybe that's their secret?

[Amanda77]

I slowed down the previews and it flashed the name Roger Workman

Wasn't that the name of the skeleton that Hurley and Sawyer found in that old VW bus that had all the beer in the back? Sounds familiar.

[ktdelsur]

Wasn't that the name of the skeleton that Hurley and Sawyer found in that old VW bus that had all the beer in the back? Sounds familiar.

Yup!

Are there other pregnant besides Sun?

I think Kate is - remember (ETA to say Juliet instead of "her") saying she hadn't gotten a sample from Austin yet on the tape she left for Ben?

I also think Jack knows more than he lets on, and he's really bugging me.

[akacharlotte]

I can't wait for next week. It is sad but I hope the resort we are staying at in Mexico picks up ABC! ;)

I have no clue regarding the secret between Juliet and Jack. I truly did not think Sawyer would kill the real Sawyer. My heart was breaking for him.

I think Dharma or whatever Ben is involved with brought Locke's father to the island. Remember they gave that stuff to Juliet to drink so she would have no idea how to get to the island...same thing with the real Sawyer. He said the last thing he remembered was the paramedic smiling at him before sticking him with the IV needle and then he woke up in "hell." Ben is a master manipulator so I have no doubt he brought Locke's father there.

I also think the found plane is a set up. I don't recall Naomi stating the bodies were recovered only that they sent cameras down and saw bodies. How close did those cameras get and would the bodies really be indentifiable if they were at the bottom of an ocean trench?

[c'est la vie]

Great epi!!!
akacharlotte brought up exactly what I was thinking.... nobody has consciously arrived on the island yet! Juliette arrived of her free will, but she drank that "tranquilizer" before arriving, Naomi was knocked out half dead before arriving and now Locke's father. DH believes the submarine was a set up since they never showed it actually moving. Juliette "woke up" in it when they had already arrived on the island. They definitely want us to think that the sub was their way off/to the island, but that might not be the case.

[Kate&Joey]

Is it wrong that from the very beginning of the episode, I kept thinking "I love Sawyer...I love Sawyer...I love Sawyer"? :D

Loved it when he offered to walk Kate home!

[Katy]

I think Dharma or whatever Ben is involved with brought Locke's father to the island. Remember they gave that stuff to Juliet to drink so she would have no idea how to get to the island...same thing with the real Sawyer. He said the last thing he remembered was the paramedic smiling at him before sticking him with the IV needle and then he woke up in "hell." Ben is a master manipulator so I have no doubt he brought Locke's father there. This would also explain how Mr. Eyeliner suddenly got there as well. We've not seen him on other episodes outside of the "office" yet.

[krbb]

Wasn't that the name of the skeleton that Hurley and Sawyer found in that old VW bus that had all the beer in the back? Sounds familiar.

Yeah that was the guy! What does he have to do with anything? Hmmm.

Would be interesting if Kate is pregnant too.

I don't like how Jack is acting either, but I think he can still be trusted and feels he is doing the right thing.

Does anyone know who's episode is next week?

[yby1]

Yeah that was the guy! What does he have to do with anything? Hmmm.

Would be interesting if Kate is pregnant too.

I don't like how Jack is acting either, but I think he can still be trusted and feels he is doing the right thing.

Does anyone know who's episode is next week?

It's supposed to be a Ben episode next week.

[sparkle&shine]

I watched the preview in slow motion because there was soooooo much going on. There were a lot of scenes being flashed and it looks very interesting! For anyone that wants to know what they showed (not sure if it is considered a spoiler so I will post in white)- There were a couple of those VW busses (new being used) so I am guessing we will see why they crashed. Also the Roger Workman was up for a bit. There was a blond woman that was almost glowing like in a picture and also a closeup of her face. A weird looking carved 'doll' with a face. They showed a bunch of scenes of some sort of camp and the Namaste guy was there. A sign that says - Namaste - Welcome to the Dharma Initiative. A baby. A guy with long hair. I am guessing they are going to show us how Dharma came to be. AT least that is what I caught watching in slow motion from my Tivo.

[sparkle&shine]

Also what did Rousseau want with the dynamite?

[akacharlotte]

The spoiler site posted above has the individual screenshots of the previews for next week's episode. I'll post in white: One appears to be a man in a gas mask. The ghost woman looks a little like Juliet. A man that could be Eyeliner guy with longer hair, Locke coming into the camp with his dad on his shoulders, the Asian guy from the Dharma videos in what appears to be the Others' village, a man with a whole bunch of what appears to be Dharma boxes, Namaste! The Dharma Initiative sign, Desmond and Naomi, 3 blue VW buses with boxes and two men in those tan jumpsuits, Roger Workman(the name patch perhaps) with what appears to be flames, and a stick or something with a slightly creepy looking smiley face.

[akacharlotte]

Also what did Rousseau want with the dynamite?

I was wondering the same thing. Is she going to attempt to rescue Alex?

[southerner]

Here (http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2007/05/hd-versions-of-trailer-and-screencaps.html) are the screencaps for the previews for next week.

Did y'all pick up on all the biblical references last night?

Don't know what Rosseau is going to do w/ the dynamite. She does have traps set up all over the island. I got a kick out of the casual nature of the interaction between her and Locke though. Hey, what are you doing here? Getting a whole box of dynamite, and you? Killing a man. Cool, see ya later! Or something like that ;)

[akacharlotte]

Did y'all pick up on all the biblical references last night?


No, do tell! :D

[sparkle&shine]

Thanks for the linkys for screencaps. There was so much to see during that preview!

[LeslieR]

DH thinks the secret between Juliet and Jack is just that there is no way off the island. I thought it was something bigger than that, but what he's saying makes sense.

[sparkle&shine]

DH thinks the secret between Juliet and Jack is just that there is no way off the island. I thought it was something bigger than that, but what he's saying makes sense.


I am starting to wonder if the sub was ever even used to take people to and from the island. Just because Juliet woke up on the sub doesn't mean that she actually rode in it right? There has got to be another way for them to travel I would hope!

I hope that the secret is actually decent :rolleyes:

[Katy]

There has got to be another way for them to travel I would hope!I'd think so since Mr. Eyeliner is around now and seemed to show up when "the man from Tallahassee" arrived in the "magic box"

[Jenyfer9]

Yeah, there's got to be some reason that Danielle was getting the dynomite, I can't imagine that they just had her there just for the heck of it.

[Jenyfer9]

Oh, and about the "other way to travel" idea... perhaps that's how Jack's dad and Kate's horse got there? Just a thought...

[southerner]

No, do tell! :D

Two big ones that stood out for me was when Locke's Dad was tied to the post and when he carried him away on his shoulder.

[pocket]

i caught the body over the shoulder reference, but i'm not one who thinks there a whole bible thing going on here. after all, there are more philosophers hanging around than anything else.

man, it was really good last night, wasn't it? wtf is going to happen next, and what in the world is going on? why was locke called to kill his father? why was that his initiaion into the others?

[sparkle&shine]

Not quite up on all the biblical stuff but isn't there a story in the bible about God telling someone to kill someone to show loyalty?? Or am I just thinking of Cain & Abel? I told you I'm not super up on it ;)

Also Naomi is a biblical name. Which I think a lot of the names on this show are.


Oh and I have to say that I think Richard AKA Eyeliner guy is HOT!

[southerner]

There have been a ton of biblical references this whole show!

pocket, DH and I think they might be looking to Locke to be their new leader.

[pocket]

sure there have been a ton of bible references. and a ton of enlightenment philosophers, star wars scenes, steven king references, etc. i just don't think there's a christian theme at the center of this show.

[Clubqueen]

FINALLY! LOST is getting good again! It's about time! :D

LOVED last night's episode! I wish the entire season had been that great.

Why did Ben keep telling Locke that he was the one who brought his father to the island? And why did Ben want the "real" Sawyer dead so badly?

And who is this "Eyeliner" guy you ladies keep talking about? Did I miss something? :confused:

[pocket]

There have been a ton of biblical references this whole show!

pocket, DH and I think they might be looking to Locke to be their new leader.

i think so too! ben might be trying to recruit Locke, but at least some of the Others want Ben out of the picture. Clearly Juliet, Richard and Karl are opposed to him. The island gives you your heart's desire if you think about it in a particular way. But who wished for Cooper? Was it Locke? I think it was Sawyer.

[Katy]

Mr. Eyeliner is the guy at the research company that interviewed Juliet.

[sparkle&shine]

I think last night helped with the theory they were talking about on the radio yesterday. That people get their wish but have to 'pay for it' somehow on the island.

Sawyer got his wish to kill 'Sawyer'. So in that thinking I don't think it was Locke that 'brought' his dad to the island it was Sawyer. Wonder if he will go by James now?


Mr. Eyeliner was the one that told Locke last night that there were other ways and gave him Sawyers file to read. He approached Locke when he was sitting on the hill looking over the tents.

[yby1]

FINALLY! LOST is getting good again! It's about time! :D

LOVED last night's episode! I wish the entire season had been that great.

Why did Ben keep telling Locke that he was the one who brought his father to the island? And why did Ben want the "real" Sawyer dead so badly?

And who is this "Eyeliner" guy you ladies keep talking about? Did I miss something? :confused:

He's the one that gave Locke Sawyer's file.

[kimbers]

I wanted to comment about Naomi's story, she said she ejected herself from the helicopter. My DH was a helicopter mechanic in the military and said that people don't eject from helicopters, the propellers would kill them. So he was thinking she was lying about her story. Maybe she was planted by the Others as well.

[Sandie78]

Not quite up on all the biblical stuff but isn't there a story in the bible about God telling someone to kill someone to show loyalty?? Or am I just thinking of Cain & Abel? I told you I'm not super up on it ;)



You are thinking of Abraham being asked to sacrifice his son Isaac. He didn't actually do it because as he raised the knife God told him to stop.

[sparkle&shine]

Thanks Sandie that is what I was thinking of! Like the others were testing Locke to see what he would do. It looks like they would have let him though!

[kam]

FINALLY! LOST is getting good again! It's about time! :D

Couldn't agree more!

So he was thinking she was lying about her story.

Or the writers don't know squat about helicopters (but if she had, what a way to go!). ;)

[Rancid13]

FINALLY! LOST is getting good again! It's about time! :D

And who is this "Eyeliner" guy you ladies keep talking about? Did I miss something? :confused:

Here's a link to a picture of eyeliner guy:

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1251-341.html

We first saw him in the "Not in Portland" episode (Juliet's flashback episode where we were introduced to her sister and she first came into contact with the "Others" via eyeliner guy).

[yby1]

Why did Ben keep telling Locke that he was the one who brought his father to the island? And why did Ben want the "real" Sawyer dead so badly?



Ben says that the island brings your heart's desire. I think it has something to do with sacrifice - the island needs a sacrifice or repentance. Each Lostie has to make a sacrifice. Locke felt that he needed his father dead to move on with his fate. But is was not his sacrifice to make, he already sacrificed Boone. (Didn't Eko tell him to not confuse fate with coincidence?). It was Sawyer's destiny to kill Cooper.

heh, I don't know what's going on.... All I know is that there are links to fate and sacrifice.

[southerner]

The island gives you your heart's desire if you think about it in a particular way. But who wished for Cooper? Was it Locke? I think it was Sawyer.
I'm thinking it was Sawyer. Locke's must be that he never have to go back to a wheelchair.
Mr. Eyeliner was the one that told Locke last night that there were other ways and gave him Sawyers file to read.
and did y'all notice his file was in a foreign language? I'm not sure how Locke could have read it :confused:

[LoveandLaw]

Does anyone know the name of the actor who plays Mr. Eyeliner? I know I have seen him before but I just can't place it.

[heather1029]

Here's Mr. Eyeliner (Richard)

His real name is Nestor Carbonell

http://imdb.com/name/nm0004801/

[Katy]

Does anyone know the name of the actor who plays Mr. Eyeliner? I know I have seen him before but I just can't place it.Mr. Eyeliner is Nester Carbonell (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004801/). You probably know him from The Tick or in my case, Suddenly Susan.

[sparkle&shine]

Does anyone know the name of the actor who plays Mr. Eyeliner? I know I have seen him before but I just can't place it.


Nestor Carbonell - IMDB (http://imdb.com/name/nm0004801/)

[LoveandLaw]

Thanks! That's right, he was on Suddenly Susan.

[sparkle&shine]

LOL! Looks like we were all over that one!

[heather1029]

He is pretty hot, I must agree with whoever said that.

But not hotter than Jack. And I don't care how Other-ish he's being right now (:

[Katy]

wow, three of us all responded, complete with IMDB stuff. We're good!! :D

[Jenyfer9]

So... does that mean that the Others killed/had killed Juliet's ex-dh so that she could come to the island? Hmmm...

[sparkle&shine]

So... does that mean that the Others killed/had killed Juliet's ex-dh so that she could come to the island? Hmmm...

I don't doubt it. Too much of a coincidence that she said that he would have to be hit by a bus for her to be able to go then sure as heck he gets nailed by a bus.

[pocket]

Or Juliet killed him by wishing it would happen and they recruited her to the island more for her innate island talents than for her expertise in human fertility.

[ca_girl]

So in the previews for next week: Did anyone else notice the submarine in front of the Namaste sign (the long shot)? I could've sworn I was it when I slowed the picture down. Was Roger's last name Workman? I just htought he WAS a "Work Man". ha ha!

[Katy]

I think Roger's title is "work man" vs. "lab tech" or "scientist" or something

[c'est la vie]

So in the previews for next week:
yes, I saw it. That must be a flash back. IMO, the sub was just a set up to make them believe that that's the way off the island.

[udsweetpea]

I wanted to comment about Naomi's story, she said she ejected herself from the helicopter. My DH was a helicopter mechanic in the military and said that people don't eject from helicopters, the propellers would kill them. So he was thinking she was lying about her story. Maybe she was planted by the Others as well.

My brother was also in the military and said this about Naomi... "that would only be if she had an ejector seat. Some helicopters, such as the Apache and Comanche attack choppers used by the Army, have a mechanism that ejects the rotors before ejecting the pilot's seat".

Something else that is interesting is that she was wearing flight gear for high altitude flying.

[MidwesternGal]

Can I join this thread late in the season??

DH and I LOVE LOVE luv LOST!! At his last workplace, we used to have daily conversations about it!

Here's my thoughts/opinions regarding the show in general and recent events:

--I love Sawyer. Absolutely and totally.
--I can't stand Jack. First season Jack was okay. . . now, forget it. He's so high and mighty. Seriously. Get off it.
--I wish Kate would keep her mouth shut.
--Always thought Locke was an integral part of getting off the island/figuring it out. From the start, I told DH that the key players in the end would be Jack, Sawyer, Saihd (spelling?) and Locke.
--I was truly hoping that Locke had captured Ben. I can't stand him. He's a fabulous actor--he makes me want to punch his smarmy little smile in every single time. Grr. (That actor is originally from my state, BTW!!)
--I just don't understand why the hell everyone doesn't just force Juliet to tell them everything she knows.

Is anyone else wondering about a couple things from other seasons? Like, Claire's baby *needing* to be on that island (remember, the psychic guy basically sent her there on purpose?). And whatever happened to Hurley's numbers? Are the numbers done with now? I'm also wondering if we'll ever find out more about what happened to Michael & son.

Anyway, I'm so addicted. I'm off to read the spoilers from the blog that was posted earlier!

Thanks to all for letting me join!

[udsweetpea]

Are the numbers done with now?



The numbers are seen everywhere but you really have to pay attention. Check out http://www.lostpedia.com for the ongoing number references.

[southerner]

--Always thought Locke was an integral part of getting off the island/figuring it out.
Us too. Don't know why this particular image stick with me, but it does. When he did this, I knew he was one of the most important characters.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a131/wcsoutherner/lost_locke.jpg

As for Michael and Walt, I hope they have already or are going to film Walt soon. He's growing up IRL and in island time it's only been a few months.

[cocoa_femme]

I agree about Walt. IRL, he'll be 18 and 6' 5" by the time they show him again!

[yby1]

I still think Hurley's numbers are the coordinates for the island. Hopefully, Naomi will confirm that.

Pure conjecture on my end, but I think they want Walt to look significantly older when he returns. Maybe the island does to alter time - making time go by slower on the island than in the real world.

[sparkle&shine]

Well they confirmed the timeline!

ABC details final three ‘Lost’ seasons
Emmy-winning series to run 48 more episodes, 16 episodes per year (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18532839/?GT1=9951)

LOS ANGELES - ABC has set an end date for “Lost.”

The Emmy-winning adventure series will run for 48 more episodes over three seasons. Each season will consist of 16 episodes, which will air uninterrupted.

[cocoa_femme]

Pure conjecture on my end, but I think they want Walt to look significantly older when he returns. Maybe the island does to alter time - making time go by slower on the island than in the real world.

That is a very interesting theory. I kinda like it :).

[jesseybell]

Well they confirmed the timeline!

ABC details final three ‘Lost’ seasons
Emmy-winning series to run 48 more episodes, 16 episodes per year (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18532839/?GT1=9951)


DH just called to tell me about that. Yuck! I'd much rather have 2 seasons with 24 episodes (even if some were doubled up like on '24'). They are going to go un-interrupted DH read, which means if they want it to end during May sweeps, that it won't come back until February, which stinks. At least with '24' you knew as soon as Christmas was over, it was coming back.

[meatpie]

DH just called to tell me about that. Yuck! I'd much rather have 2 seasons with 24 episodes (even if some were doubled up like on '24'). They are going to go un-interrupted DH read, which means if they want it to end during May sweeps, that it won't come back until February, which stinks. At least with '24' you knew as soon as Christmas was over, it was coming back.

Yeah, but ABC gets more $$ this way - more ad dollars...

[Rose]

Yeah, but ABC gets more $$ this way - more ad dollars...

But it's a crappy way to treat fans. It's two seasons over three. It's all about money.

It leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Imagine if all shows starting doing this.

[BumbleB]

I really wish it was two seasons as well. It is just so drawn out, I've never watched a show with so much mystery and when you aren't getting answers it's tough to not want more - I hope I can stick with it that long. ;)

[yby1]

I really wish it was two seasons as well. It is just so drawn out, I've never watched a show with so much mystery and when you aren't getting answers it's tough to not want more - I hope I can stick with it that long. ;)

Believe me, you can. As someone who watched 9 seasons of X-Files (and now axiously awaiting the confirmation of the X-Files 2 movie...soon!), I can attest to that. ;)

[kcjaime]

I'll keep watching. I was kind of surprised they decided on three more seasons rather than two, but it is what it is. Personally, I'd much rather watch the season interrupted a la 24 instead of these broken up chunks like they are doing now. Yes, it will suck to wait that long for it to return, but honestly, the Lost folks can't win. Viewers complain no matter how they schedule it.

The way I figure, true fans will stick with it no matter how it unfolds! :)

[jesseybell]

Have 16 episodes ending at the end of May sweeps would mean it would start at the beginning of February sweeps.

I did read somewhere else that they are planning on changing the time again. Yeah for that - I hate the 10 o'clock time period.

I think people are most shocked not that it is going to go out 3 seasons, but the fact that each season is so much shorter. Do they not listen to us at all??!!

[meatpie]

But it's a crappy way to treat fans. It's two seasons over three. It's all about money.

It leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Imagine if all shows starting doing this.

I totally agree. Plus, it also shows that ABC is a bit desperate for programming. If they thought they didn't need some slowly dying TV series it would have been two seasons and out, maybe even one. I wonder if this was part of a deal with ABC and Carlton Cuse and JJ Abrams. Maybe they have a few other shows in the pipeline?!?!

Anyway...it's also good for the actors. Good work, good salary and plenty of time to do movies.

[pocket]

this show is driving me out of my ever-loving mind. i almost feel like i can't wait until May is over so that I can relax and not think about it until 20008.

the 6 seasons makes me even more certain that the most important influence on Lost is star wars and joseph campbell. which kind of makes me feel better about where the story is going.

[MidwesternGal]

I'll definitely stick with it over 3 seasons!

I don't want them to move the time--I like 9 p.m. because DS is definitely in bed by that time and will be the next 3 years, LOL!!!

[Reebs]

Happy LOST Day!!!

[yby1]

Happy BEN day.

Happy, Happy day. :)

[BumbleB]

I think people are most shocked not that it is going to go out 3 seasons, but the fact that each season is so much shorter. Do they not listen to us at all??!!


This is exactly what has upset me the most. I hate hate hate the shortened seasons. Makes me feel like the network is ripping us off. :rolleyes:

[pocket]

woo-hoo! can't wait!

i can't believe we finally get to find out about Dharma - I'm so excited! And we find out what Ben means by born on the island. and why jack is protecting juliet.

[chefker]

the 6 seasons makes me even more certain that the most important influence on Lost is star wars and joseph campbell.

Interesting take! I haven't really thought about it in the context of Star Wars, where do you find parallels, pocket?

Finally caught up and watched last week's episode. THE BEST episode of this season so far, IMO. Locke's a lunatic, no? But I still like the guy, even though he's nutters. It seems he'll be the next leader of the Others, and Ben has his knickers in a twist over this possibility. And I do think eyeliner guy was right - Ben doesn't want anyone to think Locke is special. Oh, and how Locke manipulated Sawyer to do his dirty work - totally took a page right out of Ben's book! Ben is such a master manipulator, what Locke did is exactly along the lines of something Ben would do.

I think Jack knows Juliet is working for Ben. Looks like Sawyer's going to play that tape though, before Jack can 'splain everything. Kate is a douchebag. Running to Jack all the time and blabbing, when she's got hottie Sawyer back in his tent waiting for her. Eh, at least Jack can't act all surprised when nobody trusts him.

I'm a bit surprised about 3 more seasons...how much more can they get out of this show? And I do hope they change the time slot to something earlier - this 10 p.m. stuff doesn't work for me, and I end up having to hope & pray the DVR recorded it!

[pocket]

the writers and producers of this show are HUGE SW nerds. there are SW/Lost connections everywhere, but the most important ones are from the producers podcasts. these aren't plot spoilers, but I am spoilertexting them because some people don't even like background spoilers. the producers said in reference to a question about Star Wars references that: when you reference SW consciously that's the basic difference between imitation and homage. and also they said this week that Jacob was just as important to the mythology of Lost as the Emperor is the mythology of SW and we don't even meet him until Jedi. There are a ton of direct SW refs, but what i am really getting at is the sort of story we are watching. because it wasn't immediately apparent to me at all. When a bunch of people crash on an island and there’s a mysterious hostile power there, there are only a few directions the plot can go. You can go Lord of the Flies, you can go Jurassic Park, or you can go Star Wars. Well, I guess you could also go Swiss Family Robinson with a Melrose Place influence. Thank god they didn't do that.

In LOTF, they would all turn on each other and it would be about the human capacity for violence and self-deception and what animals we are inside. Like what happened to Rousseau. Or so she says. Hence the name. In JP, they would all be killed off one by one and only one or two people would escape the island. That would be a story about the awesome power of the wild and the dangers of meddling where people don't belong. In SW we are dealing with a hero myth. The island is the backdrop for a heroic narrative arc just as “once upon a time in a universe far far away” is the backdrop for the heroic arc of SW. Once I started framing it that way lots of things cleared up for me. I was really afraid we were dealing with a LOTF scenario which would totally SUCK. Locke is Anakin. Jack is Luke. Kate is Leia. James is Han. Someone around here is ObiWan and someone is Yoda. Not that the characters themselves are based on these characters, but the role they play in the plot and the monomyth is the same as the SW characters.

OK, fire away! Where is it wrong?

[BumbleB]

Pocket- I think it's a great parallel. I caught the Joseph Campbell thing, I'm not sure why I didn't connect Star Wars. It is very obviously based in myth - I think that is one reason I have really gotten back into this season. I think once we got rid of the taillies, we got more into that myth storyline - which I love.

I'm still obsessing over the giant foot statue. :D Someone please tell me that is of some importance!!!

[Rose]

Well, I guess you could also go Swiss Family Robinson with a Melrose Place influence. Thank god they didn't do that.

LOL.

[chefker]

Crap, I had a good reply typed out and it disappeared. :mad:

OK, I'll try to recap. pocket, you had some great points there. I'm almost ashamed to admit that I never thought of any SW references, and I am a HUGE SW fan! But now I'm seeing some of the parallels.

I can see where Locke = Anakin, with all his evil daddy issues. Jack could definitely be a Luke, but I can also see him as an Anakin, although Locke's daddy issues are WAY bigger than Jack's. James/Sawyer, is absolutely a Han Solo type. Oh, and Locke is also kind of a Yoda type too.

Another parallel that just came to mind--Locke blowing up the sub = the Rebels blowing up the Death Star.
Desmond = Obi-wan. I think....

Hurley is definitely integral, but I can't think of any parallel for him. Funny too how many of Sawyer's nicknames for people "Chewie", "Jabba the Hutt"
are SW character names.

BumbleB - I forgot about the giant foot! They better explain that one this season.

[pocket]

and how james killed sawyer/cooper just like Leia killed Jabba. i don't know about Des. i don't understand where he comes from and why he is there. i think he might not be who he thinks he is or who we think he is. i am not convinced that he is good at all. i know we are supposed to see him as another hero, what with the Penelope waiting for him and patiently weaving and unweaving his death shroud. but doesn't this sound bizarre to you? Des goes out drinking, passes out and when he wakes up he calls off his 6-year relationship and joins a monastary. The monk who called him is in league with the same woman who got involved in showing him his time travel abilities and tried to convince him not to propose to penny because he is supposed to submit to his fate. he's obviously being manipulated, but why and by whom and is he in league with them in some way?

i also wonder if there's an alcohol connection in the way that Steven King uses alcohol. It mutes psychic ability and also makes you less visible to dark forces.

[Katy]

wow, interesting theories Pocket. I still haven't seen episodes 2 and 3 of SW so I feel a little out of the loop (there's a lot of back story there). But still, totally cool.

As for the foot statue...I just now realized that no one commented on the fact that Sawyer/Cooper was tied to a column on a dais. So basically, they were camped at a temple of sorts.

And um...just because I have it, here's a picture of the one of our local Lost trucks that drive around the neighborhood. It drove right past my house yesterday while I was outside taking a picture of the smoke plumes...
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/225/490531631_e547f6f99f.jpg?v=0

[Jenyfer9]

I wonder if because we'll be learning more about Ben's backstory tonight we'll also be treated to some info about the foot statue...

[pocket]

Awesome - there's a whole lostpedia page about SW!

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Star_Wars

[Secret_Squirrel]

I always got a Han vibe from Sawyer, but I never thought about the whole Island in terms of SW. Very interesting.

Could Juliette be Yoda?

[chefker]

More Star Wars/Lost talk:

Found this post (http://tvbb.zap2it.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=724384&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1)on a TV forum. I was LMAO at who they picked as R2-D2/C3PO out of the Losties. :)

[BumbleB]

chefker - That is PERFECT! I was LMAO too! :D

[PG-rated]

i know we are supposed to see him as another hero, what with the Penelope waiting for him and patiently weaving and unweaving his death shroud.
Have we already talked about Desmond as Odysseus/Ulysses? Maybe I'm late to the party, but this post was a huge Aha! moment for me!

Anyway, if we're doing SW parallels, I wonder if Mr. Eko would be Obi-Wan. Wise and patient after years of violence and heartbreak, guiding Locke even after death, you get the picture.

[pocket]

so what do you think? is Des good or bad? is he a tool of someone else? is Penny looking for him because she loves him or for some other reason?

[yby1]

so what do you think? is Des good or bad? is he a tool of someone else? is Penny looking for him because she loves him or for some other reason?


I think he's good, in a Lando Calrissian kinda way. ;)

[chefker]

I think Desmond is basically good, but misguided. A bit of Anakin/Luke in him, it's like he's searching for his purpose but sometimes f's things up along the way. I like the Lando comparison too! :)

Why is Penny searching for him....hm. On the surface, the most obvious answer is that she has the money/resources to do so, and he is the love of her life.

DH thinks there are parallels to Planet of the Apes. I'm going to rack his brain about this, because my interest is piqued. Not sure if the show's creators are fans of POTA, but any sci fi geek worth his salt shoud be!

[Jenyfer9]

dh says Des is Yoda... with him being able to see the future and all... :p

[allison]

Omg

[ihearttx]

Wtf?!?!?!

[allison]

Wtf?!?!?!
My thought exactly! DH says he saw someone.

[maxandmolly]

Omg! W. T. F?

[allison]

OMG again!

[maxandmolly]

*side note/question*
Whatever happened to Walt and his dad? I haven't seen them or heard them mentioned since I tuned back in.

[SQ2]

:eek:

[Jenyfer9]

OMG!!! I can't believe that just happened!!!!! SOOOOOO not what I was expecting!

[Rancid13]

What happened?? Do tell!! West Coaster dying to know here! T minus 2 more hours till it airs here. Aaaargh!! ;)

[MidwesternGal]

WHAT??????????

Um, holy crazy Ben, Batman.

allison--I swear I saw a figure, too. So your DH isn't crazy.

So two things really stood out to me:

1.--What is the significance of the numbers "5 4 4 3 9?" They made a big point to shoot the code of the secruity system. So obviously, it must mean something. I have no idea what.

2.--Um, yeah, Richard (eyeliner guy) hasn't aged. At all. Interesting. And dead mommy isn't really dead? Another interesting thing. I have some thoughts, but want more time to gather them.

So much for my theory on Locke being a big part of them getting off the island.

Oh and re: Jack--What a jerko. Seriously. He and Juliet could have clued everyone in earlier. But nope, he had to be the "big man." Whatever.

I'll probably have more thoughts later. These are my initial reactions.

[Clubqueen]

Holy crap no!! Say it isn't so!!! :eek:

I HATE BEN!!!!! HE MUST DIE!! :mad: :mad:

[Clubqueen]

For those of you who thought you saw Jacob, you weren't seeing things!
There was a split second shot of someone in the chair. If you want a better look at "Jacob", here is a screencap of that quick shot:

Click here (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b297/Michele919/WTFBBQjacobenhanced.jpg)

[Kay]

I did not expect that. Ben is crazy. I still hate Jack.

[Katy]

wow! definitely not what I expected! :eek:

and Mr. Eyeliner/Richard...whoa!! How could he not age?!?! :eek:

Thanks for the screencap CQ, hubby and I both missed it.

[1_mommy]

i didn 't see the screencap either....creepy!

did jacob say help me, or don't leave? i could have sworn it was don't leave

[yby1]

Pure conjecture on my end, but I think they want Walt to look significantly older when he returns. Maybe the island does to alter time - making time go by slower on the island than in the real world.

Ha! The island must slow down the aging process, like a "fountain of youth." At least for the hostiles. Ben appeared to age real time with Dharma (but who knows over how many years that took place.) It's very Wizard of Oz in that you need to learn a life lesson - confront your demons and "grow up" to maybe "go home" ...with Henry Gale in his hot air balloon. ;) It makes me think "Peter Pan" too.

Everyone seems to have parent issues don't they??

My brain is fried.

[silentbunny]

Okay, that was awesome... what a riveting episode. I'm not even going to get into all my questions and theories, but ...

This will sound dumb, but was Ben's dad the same guy who played the father in the Twisted Sister video???

I'm glad they showed us Ben's past, so now we KNOW he is evil...I think they had to remove any doubt before the big "showdown".

[yby1]

Okay, that was awesome... what a riveting episode. I'm not even going to get into all my questions and theories, but ...

This will sound dumb, but was Ben's dad the same guy who played the father in the Twisted Sister video???

I'm glad they showed us Ben's past, so now we KNOW he is evil...I think they had to remove any doubt before the big "showdown".

I don't think it's that clear cut, but yeah, there are evil tendencies. Ben needed to confront his demons (his guilt over his mother, caused by his father) in order to move on. He's a tortured soul.

[stevesbabygirl]

Word to the wise: Do not watch this episode in the dark, in the middle of the night when everyone else has gone to bed :p.

[jenji]

Word to the wise: Do not watch this episode in the dark, in the middle of the night when everyone else has gone to bed :p.

I second that. DH was out of town and I was having dreams about it all night.

ok first off - that was crazy.
2 - where does Jack get off thinking he's still the leader?
3 - is Locke really going to die there? I guess the island doesn't have a history of healing folks from gunshot wounds, but will it be different because it's Locke? It seems like he had so much more to do... and wouldn't that be the first time someone major has died NOT in their own episode?
4 - I loved Locke beating patchy to a pulp and telling everyone Ben was taking him to Jacob. you could tell the others were totally amazed by him
5 - I'm so intrigued by the fact that Richard is a "native"/hostile and wondering who else of the others was there first and why they follow Ben if they know he wasn't born there and is aging like normal people. Oh, there are so many questions!
oh and I was totally freaking out when Ben was talking to an empty chair. like he's crazy. he's really really loony, but then you had to know it was Lost and of course there was an invisible telekinetic force there :rolleyes:

[heather1029]

I don't think it's that clear cut, but yeah, there are evil tendencies. Ben needed to confront his demons (his guilt over his mother, caused by his father) in order to move on. He's a tortured soul.

Well, only as evil as everyone else on the island who has murdered.

Anyway, I'm thinking the Others are putting on a whole "smoke and mirrors" scheme. I'm doubtful anyone really was there in "Jacob's" cabin. I mean, that's the whole idea with Wizard of Oz, right, fake "Wizard" (but still in a very strange land)?

[nektarine]

Okay, that was awesome... what a riveting episode. I'm not even going to get into all my questions and theories, but ...

This will sound dumb, but was Ben's dad the same guy who played the father in the Twisted Sister video???




i don't know about the twisted sister video - but i am pretty sure that ben's dad was uncle rico from napoleon dynamite.

no time to discuss theories now, but that was an AMAZING episode! shite!

[Reebs]

Wow! Locke cannot be dead! That episode made me fully hate Ben AND Jack. He has become such an a$$. Do you think he is playing Juliet or do you think Juliet is good?

Thanks CQ for the screencap. I am just so confused over the whole Jacob is invisible thing.

Now what is the deal with all these supposedly dead people (ben's mom, Jack's Dad, etc) coming back to life on this island? Or at least appearing to come back to life.

And are we also to believe that from that moment in the woods when Ben was a teenager and met eyeliner guy till the moment he killed his Dad he was playing his Dharma people? Pretending he was still with the initiative all the while planning to kill everyone to join the hostiles?

And if I remember correctly the number Juliet put in the force field towers was different from the one Ben put in. I swear she put in a 16...somthing. I may be wrong and it may mean nothing.

I will end this post now as it provides no insight whatsoever. :(

[ihearttx]

Anyone else have nightmares all night? I did.

This is funny..there is a thread on one of my Lost forums called "What is Jacob" and someone responded "old ranch dressing." It amused me. :)

[diam124]

Did anyone else see Jacob twice? Once when he said help me and then the second time in the chair? When he said helped me I thought it was one of the Others (I'm blanking on his name, but he was the one that the Losties thought was the leader way back when). I thought he was hiding and just messing with Locke. But then I saw him again in the chair.

[Jenyfer9]

So here's my theory (one of them, anyways)... since Richard hasn't aged a DAY since who knows when, perhaps that's why they are having reproductive problems? Because they can't age if they were born/concieved on the island. We know that Ben wasn't born there, Alex wasn't concieved there... that's why those people can age.

Oh, and perhaps Danielle's fetching of the dynomite last week will become more obvious when they (the Losties) have her help them in the upcoming battle.

[jesseybell]

Just looked up Roger (John Gries (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0340973/)) on IMDB. He was on The Pretender. I knew I recognized him from somewhere.

DH did see Jacob too - I need to go back and look (though I am not sure if I want to see that scene again).

I can't imagine that Locke is really dead, but you never know.

Yeah, I guess a few more than 5 people die in May.

Okay, so next season we'll be having flashbacks of the natives/hostiles??!!

Head is still spinning.

Next week is Charlie....can't we just jump forward to the season finale?

[allison]

I still think the whole people not aging on the island has to do with the Hanso foundation's Life Extension Project that you used to be able to see on the website before the Lost Experience.

That episode totally gave me chills! Must watch it again because I didn't see Jacob but DH did.

[c'est la vie]

Jacob is probably the black smoke. And that circle before getting to jacob's house? It reminds me of a proctection circle.

Steering a bit the direction of the discussion here, it seems clear now why those two guys (one from the military) were trapped in the hatch before Desmon got there. They probably had some kind of rotation, but once everybody from Darma got killed, nobody went there to release them and they started to go crazy (hence one killing himself) They knew about the “hostiles”, too.

[diam124]

Jacob is probably the black smoke. And that circle before getting to jacob's house? It reminds me of a proctection circle.



I read a theory that the circle was the inactive smoke monster.

[SQ2]

I thought the Ben flashbacks were really powerful. Actually made me feel for the guy in some ways. When his dad told him on his birthday "Today is the day you killed your mother..." Heartwrenching. :( It's no wonder he's so messed up.

[LeslieR]

I was thinking Jacob was the black smoke monster, too. Thanks for the screen shot, we definitely didn't see him in the chair.

I was so aggravated after last night's epi. I want answers!:mad:

I was not surprised that Richard was always on the island. For a minute there, I thought maybe he was Jacob.

I can't imagine that Locke is actually dead!

[mel7dog]

wow wow wow. Count me in as another who had nightmares.

So it seems the hostiles had plotted for 25 years of so to take out Darma. Why did it take so long? What moment were they waiting for?

[Rancid13]

Jacob is probably the black smoke. And that circle before getting to jacob's house? It reminds me of a proctection circle.


I'm thinking the same thing.

I also thought it was very interesting how desperately Ben wanted to know what Locke heard Jacob say.

[mel7dog]

I'm thinking the same thing.

I also thought it was very interesting how desperately Ben wanted to know what Locke heard Jacob say.
It sounds like maybe Ben is the only one who can hear Jacob, which is why Ben is the leader of the group. Ben seems worry that Locke would take over the group.

[udsweetpea]

Found on Lostpedia under Biblical references about Jacob...

"In Jewish history, the tribe of Benjamin's women and children were all killed, and the remaining members of the tribe could not longer proliferate. The historical solution they came up with was to kill the men from another sub-tribe and take their women and children. So far the Others have been taking women and children from Flight 815."

[BumbleB]

Interesting connection udsweetpea!

WOW! I woke up this morning still thinking/semi dreaming about the episode. The last few episodes have gotten me so pumped on LOST again...I loved last nights Wizard of Oz and Alice in Wonderland connections. White rabbit, woman in a blue dress...man behind the curtain.


I'm still so not trusting Jack - I hope we can trust him still, but he's got to realize sometimes in order to lead you have to share.

Locke so cannot be dead - he is such an important part to this show. Maybe Locke is the only one of the Losties who has somehow managed to gain the power of the island and he won't die? I thought it was crazy that Richard didn't age.

I saw Jacob in the chair - and the circle easily could have been the smoke monster.

[c'est la vie]

It sounds like maybe Ben is the only one who can hear Jacob, which is why Ben is the leader of the group. Ben seems worry that Locke would take over the group.
Ben definitely did not like to know that Locke could hear Jacob. I too think that Ben is afraid that Locke will take over his leadership. (and he probably will, if he's not dead, that is.)

[BumbleB]

It sounds like maybe Ben is the only one who can hear Jacob, which is why Ben is the leader of the group. Ben seems worry that Locke would take over the group.


If Locke lives, I think he could totally take over the group. Time will tell.

Your son is too cute!!! :D

[PG-rated]

So it seems the hostiles had plotted for 25 years of so to take out Darma. Why did it take so long? What moment were they waiting for?
I don't think so - it looked like Ben was about 11 when he got to the island, and I think he was supposed to be about 21 or so when they took over (they had a hard time making him look younger in the flashback). I think they were waiting for Ben to be able to help them out. They needed him to plan a coordinated attack.

Jack is clearly being set up for something big, and I think the writers are trying hard to affect audience opinion before the big reveal. I have two theories - Good Jack and Evil Jack.

Good Jack: Jack was a reluctant leader at first, but now that Locke's out of the picture, he understands that he's the group's only hope of surviving the Others' attacks and getting off the island. He's come to realize that leaders aren't always popular or well-liked, and he's willing to risk short-term harmony for the greater good of the Losties. He was spurred to this partly out of guilt that he was willing to make the deal for the sub escape, since it obviously would've paid off for him before everyone else. Also, after the sub blew up, he felt the need to complete his mission. Finally, now that Kate has chosen Sawyer, he doesn't have any interpersonal entanglements to hold him back from his true fate.

Evil Jack: While with the Others, Jack realized that it was up to him to help himself - the other Losties don't like him, don't trust him, or have betrayed him despite good intentions. He's projecting his anger at Kate's choice of Sawyer onto the rest of the group, and has turned his back on them. He took a lesson from Ben and is manipulating the group in any necessary way in order to keep himself safe and get him home. He believes that Juliet is the way off the island, and is working with her to make sure that she gets Ben to send her home, because he knows he can get her to take him with her.

Since we're being set up to distrust Jack, I think the Good Jack theory is probably more likely, since it will be more of a surprise when Jack is shown to be definitely on the Losties' side. But I think we'll continue to see him distance himself from the group.

[mel7dog]

I don't think so - it looked like Ben was about 11 when he got to the island, and I think he was supposed to be about 21 or so when they took over (they had a hard time making him look younger in the flashback). I think they were waiting for Ben to be able to help them out. They needed him to plan a coordinated attack.


It had to be more than 10 years. Roger Ben's Dad also looked a lot older. Even still, 10-20 years is a long time for one plan!

[Katy]

I thought the black dust was dynamite since they made a big deal out of what's-her-name (can't recall just now) picking up the dynamite at the ship

[MidwesternGal]

I thought the black dust was volcanic ash. Remember how the teacher in Ben's flashback mentioned about the volcano on the island?

As for Good Jack/Bad Jack. . . . I think Jack wants to do what Jack wants to do. I have always seen him as kind of self-serving. He may have acted like a reluctant leader, but I personally think he is kind of full of himself. So I think he's doing whatever he can to get off the island now that he has Juliet. I think if it helps the other Losties, then okay, but he's not going out of his way, either.

I really really hope Locke isn't truly dead. Because I don't think the rest of them really have it in them to get off the island. I think it is possible he won't die, simply because the island likes to heal him--I mean, seriously--going from paralyzed to walking in an instant?

I will have a very hard time believing it if they make the Losties get off the island/trick the Others (who we know are Hostiles now) w/o the help of Locke.

Oh yeah. How did Rosseau avoid getting gassed 20-some years ago? Because she was on a different part of the island? Ben wore his mask the whole trek back to the commune, which to me says that the gas infiltrated all over.

Is next week the season finale? Or the next?

[pocket]

Who the F is Jacob?

Here’s the screenshot from Lostpedia: http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b137/pocket1/366px-3x20_another_jacob.jpg

And here’s Locke in left profile:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b137/pocket1/locke_instructions27.jpg

Jeff Jensen at EW thinks its Locke, but I’m not so sure. That’s a lot of hair for Locke. yeah, the more I look at it, the less I think it's Terry O'Quinn. The nose is wrong, the forhead arc is wrong. TOQ has a bigger nose.

[sdianems]

Does anyone know if ABC is planning on showing re-runs over the summer???

[maxandmolly]

Jeff Jensen at EW thinks its Locke, but I’m not so sure. That’s a lot of hair for Locke. yeah, the more I look at it, the less I think it's Terry O'Quinn. The nose is wrong, the forhead arc is wrong. TOQ has a bigger nose.
You know, from the profile I think he kinda looks lke the guy from Barney Miller. Darn if I can remember his name, though.

[villanelle75]

Rosseau probably wasn't on the island if the gassing was 20 years ago. Alex doens't seem like she supposed to be 20 yo.

Actually, thinking back, when Sayid was captured by Rosseau, they discussed hwo long she'd been on teh island. He said the distress signal had bene playin gfor X years and she said, "It's been that long?" or something to that effect. Does anyone remember how long it had been? Sixteen years seems to pop in to my head.

[Rancid13]

It had to be more than 10 years. Roger Ben's Dad also looked a lot older. Even still, 10-20 years is a long time for one plan!

Yeah his dad did look a lot older, not just ~10 years or so. I was thinking more along the lines of 20 years. He overemphasized his age when he was heaving those cases into the van (with 'oh, my aching back' sort of old person dramatics).;)

[Kiley]

Yeah his dad did look a lot older, not just ~10 years or so. I was thinking more along the lines of 20 years. He overemphasized his age when he was heaving those cases into the van (with 'oh, my aching back' sort of old person dramatics).;)

They made him seem like an alcoholic and if he was, he'd look older than he really was.

[ihearttx]

Someone might have already said this, but what confused me was eyeliner man..why did he not age?

[allison]

Rosseau probably wasn't on the island if the gassing was 20 years ago. Alex doens't seem like she supposed to be 20 yo.

Actually, thinking back, when Sayid was captured by Rosseau, they discussed hwo long she'd been on teh island. He said the distress signal had bene playin gfor X years and she said, "It's been that long?" or something to that effect. Does anyone remember how long it had been? Sixteen years seems to pop in to my head.

I think it was 16 years too.

[PG-rated]

They made him seem like an alcoholic and if he was, he'd look older than he really was.
Yeah, that was my thought, too. Alcoholism really ages a person.

[Katy]

Yes, the distress signal looped for 16 years and Alex is supposed to be around 16.

[Jenyfer9]

Spoiler: The actor who plays Locke signed for next season, so I don't think that he died last night. Of course, he could just appear like Jack's dad appears, but I kinda doubt it.

Oh, and in the preview for next week... we see what looks like dynomite, so it's probably Russeau's stash that she got from the Black Rock last week.

[yby1]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v172/sumama/dynomite.jpg

I couldn't help myself - sorry

[jenji]

count me in as another who had nightmares all night. fortunately in the first one though the island healed Locke and he was fine... it was only this morning I awoke disappointed to realize that didn't happen.
I was thinking the ring around Jacob's place might be something to do with the volcano. I'm sure there's more to the volcano since they mentioned it specifically.

Off topic and semi-spoiler: who thinks Charlie will die next week since it's his episode? I'm kind of hoping he does

[Sazoo]

jenji, regarding your spoiler question, yes I think and hope so, too. ;)

[BumbleB]

Someone might have already said this, but what confused me was eyeliner man..why did he not age?

Either they did a terrible job making him look young with make-up, or more likely it is another lost mystery.

I still want to know about that dang foot statue!!!! LOL. :)

[miaclear]

Another one with trouble falling asleep. That whole cabin scene freaked me out. And whenever a dead person apears.....gives me shivers. So glad DH was home watching with me last night.

[twiceasnice]

Either they did a terrible job making him look young with make-up, or more likely it is another lost mystery.

I still want to know about that dang foot statue!!!! LOL. :)

On another site I read someone pointed out that that when Ben was talking about his birthday to Richard, he said, "You do remember birthdays, don't you Richard?" Which could mean 2 things: a) Richard just doesn't remember birthdays or b) Richard doesn't seem to age, so he really doesn't have a birthdays. I don't know, could have been a reason Dharma had a Life Extension project on the island.

[allison]

I don't know, could have been a reason Dharma had a Life Extension project on the island.

That's what I was saying! :D :p

[pocket]

I think Jacob is Alvar Hanso/Ian Patrick Williams. The close up of the eye is dark brown and that eliminates Locke/Ben (blue eyes) and Jack (hazel eyes/phew) from being Jacob. Plus Alvar Hanso said in TLE that he was kept prisoner by Mittlewerk from at least 2002-2006. and in Losttime it's December 2003. Hmm..I guess it could also be Des. But I think it has to be Alvar. That makes the most sense to me and we have to start seeing the LE tie-ins since we are now more than halfway through the story.

I just don’t even know what to think anymore. We got a lot of answers, but I just have more questions.

One thing I can tell you is that Ben is a psycho. I had no idea he was such a terrible person! What is wrong with these Others? I have been all ready to believe that they were really the good guys, but that hippie massacre was just mean. And Ben lived there among them for what – 15 years? And then he kills his own father so cold-bloodedly and organizes the extermination of the entire DI. For what? Did Jacob tell him to do that? Can he really hear Jacob? Because it seems like he can’t hear him at all and that he was faking talking to him for Locke’s sake. And then Jacob talked to Locke and all hell broke loose. Was Jacob excited because of the light – maybe it gives him power – or because someone heard him? That ring of ash was maybe to keep Jacob in or something? My thought is that Jacob is not only Alvar Hanso. He is Magnus Hanso. And that Magnus and Alvar are actually the same person and the island makes them immortal. But it’s confusing. Because if Jacob is a prisoner now, was he always a prisoner? Or did Ben imprison him at some point in the more recent past? I hope we get a wayback flashback at some point.

So my deathwatch updates after this week are:

Charlie
Locke (but he’ll be resurrected if he does die)
Ben (because he so richly deserves it, the sociopathic freakbag, and my money says that Alex kills him)
Naomi
Karl (I bet that's why Alex kills Ben)

[mel7dog]

DH and I watched again today and were thinking maybe the black ring around Jacob's cabin was holding him captive and was put there to keep him in the cabin. That could be why he asked Locke to help him. Maybe Ben is keeping him there. Why else would no one else have ever seen him or knew where he was.

[mel7dog]

OMG Pocket that is so funny we cross posted with similar theories!

[pocket]

great minds think alike!

I also had a lot of trouble sleeping last night - one thing I do NOT like about the time slot. I'm not a baby, I can stay up until 11. But it's scary and I get nightmares!

[sunmoonstars75]

1 - holy crap!

2 - back to the Star Wars chatter, why isn't Claire Leia if Jack is Luke?

3 - Am I the only one who is still in Jack's camp? I have been more angry with Juliet recently, thinking she was playing Jack.

[pocket]

back to the Star Wars chatter, why isn't Claire Leia if Jack is Luke?

good question - i'm not sure. it's not that Jack IS Luke, it's that the role of Luke is played by Jack. I don't think that the plot mirrors SW. I think that the story is similar to SW in that it's a hero myth.

[villanelle75]

I am starting to feel like maybe Alex is going to kill Ben. Children killing their dads, or contributing to their dad's death is a recurring theme (Locke, Jack) and if you extend that to from dads to just parents then Kate (her Stepdad) and even, in a way, Ben with his mom, fit in. I think it makes sense that Alex will kill Ben.

Or maybe that's just what I want to happen.

I too had Lost dreams. They weren't really nightmares and I can't fully recall what happened, but they were strange and vivid at the time.

[westamp]

I am starting to feel like maybe Alex is going to kill Ben. Children killing their dads, or contributing to their dad's death is a recurring theme (Locke, Jack) and if you extend that to from dads to just parents then Kate (her Stepdad) and even, in a way, Ben with his mom, fit in. I think it makes sense that Alex will kill Ben.

Or maybe that's just what I want to happen.

I too had Lost dreams. They weren't really nightmares and I can't fully recall what happened, but they were strange and vivid at the time.

It's either that or Rousseau will kill him. Either way they should get rid of Ben just for cheating Alex of a mother and vice versa.

[pocket]

Kate killed her real dad. The guy she thought was her dad, the army guy, was in Iraq with Sayid and Kelvin when she was conceived. But he raised her as his own. But then her mom married her real dad and she blew him up.

also i think Jack killed his dad too. i'm not sure why i think so, but it seems to make sense. Claire killed her mom by turning her off.

[Katy]

2 - back to the Star Wars chatter, why isn't Claire Leia if Jack is Luke?I think she is. I think there's a lot about Claire that we don't yet know. That psychic was pretty determined to get Claire on that plane and for her baby to be born on what we now know is the island. I think, in a way, the baby (and Claire) are some sort of key to things. And well, Jack, he's just Jack and dealing with his own stuff in a Luke sort of way.

[MidwesternGal]

ITA with pp who thinks Alex might kill Ben.

pocket--A question for you in white: Who is Alvar Hanso in the tv program? I read the Lostpedia info on him, but I totally don't remember this in the slightest from the tv show--has it been referenced on the tv show at all?? Also, don't really remember Mittlewerk, either. Can you reference me by PM how they appeared in the tv show?? Thanks!

[pocket]

pocket--A question for you in white:

All spoilertext: as far as i know they haven't appeared on the tv show. just on the lost experience. i think its sort of like an epilogue to the story and deals with the hanso foundation and paik industries and other lost background stuff. it's so deliciously nerdy! most of it has been released in puzzles and buried in code on webpages. i'm just blown away by how creative it is!

[MidwesternGal]

Thanks pocket!

[Jenyfer9]

So wait... Pocket: does that mean that Hanso and Paik Industries are in bed together, so to speak?

[pocket]

it seems like it, but in typical Lost fashion it just raises more questions. who is really in control of the HF? what has happened to our Losties? were they ever rescued or are they still on the island either dead or alive? all of this is happening in december 2003. LE took place in summer 2006. apparently HF/PI were involved in some nefarious scheme back then, but it's not clear why or what they were doing. Ah, Lost. The greatest mind-F ever.

[Secret_Squirrel]

I watched it on dvr last night and I had creepy nightmares, too!

DH and I couldn't really comment on what we saw, we were still trying to absorb it all.

So glad there was a screen cap, I thought I saw someone there.

That ash looked like the voodoo stuff that keeps away those who wants to do you harm. The whole set up felt very Blair Witch to me.

I don't think Locke will die - if he wasn't immedietly killed from the gsw, the healing properties of the island will save him, just like it healed his hand after his dad bit it.

Ben still has an edge on Locke - he manipulated him in the hatch and he just shot him.

Sunmoonstarts - I still like Jack, too.

[heather1029]

That ash looked like the voodoo stuff that keeps away those who wants to do you harm. The whole set up felt very Blair Witch to me.


The more I think about it, the more I think that ash stuff really was the smoke monster. And then that would explain all the crazy stuff happening inside the dark cabin. Smoke can come up out of nowhere and not be seen.

[Jenyfer9]

But Smokie makes that cool ticking noise, and we didn't hear that in the cabin. I do think that there is more to the powder stuff than just powder stuff. :p

[jesseybell]

Just a correction: It is 2004 Lost time. Not 2003. People keep wondering if the psunami will be addressed next season since we are days/weeks away from December 26, 2004.

[Kopper]

The ring of ashes or whatever it was reminded me of The Skeleton Key and the sand or whatever it was that they put around themselves for protection. For some reason as I was watching I thought of it as a way of keeping someone or something out.

[Rancid13]

The ring of ashes or whatever it was reminded me of The Skeleton Key and the sand or whatever it was that they put around themselves for protection. For some reason as I was watching I thought of it as a way of keeping someone or something out.

Or, as we saw towards the end of the Skeleton Key, keeping someone IN. ;)

[Eric's Wife]

I was just looking up info on the cast on imdb.com and I just larned that they guy who plays Ben is married to the woman who played his mom. So basically Ben is married to his mom. No wonder he's so messed up :)

[udsweetpea]

Was anyone else creeped out by the mom popping up at Ben's window? I'll admit I almost yelped.

[sparkle&shine]

So my DH cracked me up the other day.

I was rewatching Lost and he was sitting with me when the part came on where young Ben gets off the sub and passes under the sign that says 'namaste'.

So he laughs and says that someone messed up. What the sign really means is 'Nah I'm a stay'. Meaning that once you get on the island you can't get off. Not sure if it will be as funny read as it was spoken but it was pretty funny. ;)

[Tanya]

Have we met Annie (Ben's little girl friend) in present time? I guess she was gassed as well, though they never showed it.

[heather1029]

Happy Lost Day!!!

[Jenyfer9]

I'm very sad that tonight is the 2nd to last episode for the season. :(

[pocket]

Hooray! Happy Lost Day to me, Happy Lost Day to me, Happy Lost day, dear Pocket, Happy Lost day to me! The big question is does Charlie die or not? I think he doesn’t die because it’s been so hyped, and that this is some kind of BSG Starbuck Death Trick. I’ve been pretty convinced he dies, but now I am having second thoughts. Is the point of this story that you can change fate through time travel and premonitions? Or is the point that you can’t change fate? It makes a big difference, IMO. This is one of the big supernatural mysteries of the island. What is the nature of Desmond’s premonitions? Darlton (the producers) have said that he really did travel back in time. So far that story line has said that something on the island can give a person foreknowledge and that they can affect outcomes in a limited way but that fate is ultimately sealed. So if Charlie dies, that means that fate is inevitable and all we can do is act out our destiny with style and meaning. But is Charlie lives, that means that foreknowledge, and probably whatever other powers the island gives you, can change fate. Since we know that the Numbers are part of the Valenzetti Equation which predicts the end of humanity, and that DIHF (Dharma Initiative/Hanso Foundation) were, at least in part, researching the Valenzetti Equation, is it possible that whether Charlie lives or dies holds the answer to whether you can change the Valenzetti Equation and save the human race? What do you think?

Sorry - can't get the Lostpedia link to flip to spoilertext, so you'll have to Lostpedia it yourself.

[sparkle&shine]

Pocket ~ Hmm....good question. I can kind of see them killing off Charlie but because they have hyped it it makes me wonder. Plus Did the actor sign on to do more shows? I think that I heard a rumor that - he didn't renew his contract? Of course I don't remember if I read that here or not.

Can't wait for tonight!

[pocket]

It really seems like the actor is moving on, but it's just not what I expected from the plot. The death of Starbuck from BSG was also hyped beyond belief and totally faked. The actress was even going on fake interviews for other gigs in LA and lying to her colleagues. The crew threw her a goodbye party and got her a gift. I dont' mind Charlie dying at all, I am just confused about what that means for the issue of whether or not fate can be controlled. If Charlie doesn't die, what does that say about how these guys all got on the plane to begin with? We've been encouraged, especially at first, to believe that all the character crosses and weird coincidences are nothing more than synchronicity, but I think it's pretty clear that our main characters were manipulated onto the plane for some reason that we don't understand yet. So the question is really up in the air for me - what is the role of fate in the mythology of Lost? I'm hoping that the big huge reveal we are getting in the Jackback next week is definitive proof that he was manipulated onto the airplane by someone we recognize.

[ihearttx]

I just read a supposed spoiler for the finale and all I can say is, if it's true, I think I will be more annoyed than anything else!

[Jenyfer9]

oooh! please share... in white of course...

[ihearttx]

Ok, here goes..it's a long read: (plot synopsis not just spoiler)
I STRONGLY ADVISE YOU NOT TO READ THIS UNLESS YOU WANT TO BE TOTALLY SPOILED





EP 321 CHARLIE'S FLASHBACKS
Basically, this is another show where they make you think that Charlie's going to die, but then it doesn't happen.

Desmond tells Charlie that he's seen a vision of Charlie's death and that this time it HAS to happen because it's going to cause another of his visions to come true -- one of Claire and her baby being rescued from the island by a helicopter. He tells Charlie that he's going to drown after turning a switch next to a yellow light in a new underwater hatch.

At the same time, Sayid tells Jack that he can't get a rescue signal out on Naomi's phone because Rousseau's old distress call is blocking the signal. He tells Jack that they need to go to a radio tower to turn it off. Juliet, though, tells them that still won't get the signal out because Ben has been blocking all transmissions from the island by a jamming device on an underwater hatch called THE LOOKING GLASS.

They know from Sayid's maps that the hatch is flooded. Charlie volunteers for the suicide missions to swim down there and turn off the signal. After what Desmond's told him, he now knows that this is his destiny.

He swims down to the underwater hatch -- but it isn't flooded! He comes up in a pressurized chamber. He's overjoyed that he doesn't have to die....but discovers that there's TWO CHICKS down there (probably Others) pointing guns at him.

The FLASHBACKS are the five greatest moments in Charlie's life. He saves a stranger being beaten on the street (the stranger is Nadia, Sayid's long-lost love), he shows his Dad he can swim when he's a young kid, he hears YOU ALL EVERYBODY on the radio for the first time, and his brother Liam gives him the DS ring. But his greatest moment is when he met Claire on the beach the first night after the plane crashed on the island. (He writes down these five memories and asks Desmond to give them to Claire after he's gone).

The episode is just okay. Not as good as the last two, it's basically setting things up for the finale. It would've been better if they'd have killed Charlie in it.
Now onto the finale...

Episode 322 FINALE "THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS"

The finale is full of action, a few deaths -- and that huge twist I mentioned earlier.

First, the deaths. A bunch of Others get killed when they try to raid the camp. This includes Friendly, who Sawyer shoots in cold blood -- and also the other new tough guy Other (I think his name is Price) who gets run over by Hurley in the van.

And Charlie FINALLY dies. Thank god. I've always thought he was one of the weaker characters and his death has been threated in so many episodes its about time it finally happened. He unblocks the jamming signal in the underwater station but drowns when Mikhail uses a grenade to blow it up, killing them both. It's a cool death for Charlie. Maybe cooler than he deserves.

Another big moment is when an old favorite of the show returns. Locke is just about to kill himself in the Dharma grave pit that he fell into after Ben shot him when he hears a voice telling him not to. He looks up to see...WALT!! Walt helps him out of the pit and then disappears. No sign of Michael, and there's no explanation about where Walt has been or what happened to him or Michael.

Locke then makes it to the Radio Tower -- and gets there in time to kill Naomi just before she makes the rescue call. He throws a knife straight into her back. Jack can't understand what Locke is doing and tells him that he'll have to shoot him to stop him from making the call himself. Locke threatens to kill Jack, but then backs down.

Jack makes the rescue call -- and someone on the other end answers. The story on the island ends with help on the way. Or maybe not. Ben has told Jack that Naomi and her people aren't who they say they are -- and just before he dies, Charlie sees a transmission in the underwater hatch from Desmond's Penny -- who, contrary to what Naomi has said, denies that she knows Naomi at all!!

But the HUGE TWIST of the episode -- in fact, probably the huge twist of the entire series -- happens in the flashback. They start by showing that Jack is totally ****ed up. He's popping pills and suicidal. The first flashback shows him about to kill himself by jumping off a bridge -- only a car accident nearby causes him to stop, and instead of killing himself he fins himself helping the accident victims.

But he keeps spiraling. He sees his ex-wife at the hospital -- she's pregnant with another man's child. He goes to a funeral of a person that we never discover, but whoever it is, his (or her) death rocks Jack hard. He steals drugs from the hospital and is caught by the new doctor in charge.

And all the time, he's constantly on the phone desperately trying to contact somebody. And the last scene shows us who...he goes to meet the mystery person, and it's the last person on earth we would think...it's KATE!

And it's now that we realize that for the first time in Lost history, we haven't been watching a flashback. We've been watching a FLASH-FORWARD!

Yep, that's right. THEY ACTUALLY SHOW THAT JACK AND KATE MAKE IT OFF THE ISLAND. For some reason, this has been the cause of Jack's spiral. He tells Kate they have to go back to the island. She refuses and drives away. The show finishes with Jack screaming "We have to go back!!"

It's a bold move by the writer's no doubt, but I'm not sure if it will pay off entirely. It raises many other questions -- how did they get off the island, did anyone else get off the island, who stayed behind -- but on a show that has been all about our heroes trying to get back home, its kind of disappointing to know that Jack and Kate actually return to the mainland and that they could stay there if they want.

The twist is bound to cause huge discussion among Lost fans. I felt it was a bit of a cheat, but maybe others will like it more...

Hope enjoyed the scoop. You can call me LOSTFAN108.

LOSTFAN108

[ihearttx]

No one knows if the above is true, but I just read Insiderscoop's synopsis of tonight's episode, and it is the exact same as the above spoiler!!!

[Jenyfer9]

well crap. I didn't know it was that long! Now I don't know if I really want to look...

[udsweetpea]

I looked, and I don't know how I feel. :( I don't want them to end up like that.

[sparkle&shine]

Now way am I going to look. I don't want to know that much!!

[pocket]

DON'T LOOK!

you will hate yourself. really. i like spoilers, but that guy went too far for my taste. i think producer podcasts, sneak peeks, interviews and TLE are all fair game for my speculation. i do spoilertext them though because lots of people prefer to just watch the show. but i don't read insiderscoop's pre-synopses and i really wish i hadn't read the above. i only skimmed it when it was posted without marking on another board. but i wish i hadn't.

[Rancid13]

DON'T LOOK!

you will hate yourself. really. i like spoilers, but that guy went too far for my taste. i think producer podcasts, sneak peeks, interviews and TLE are all fair game for my speculation. i do spoilertext them though because lots of people prefer to just watch the show. but i don't read insiderscoop's pre-synopses and i really wish i hadn't read the above. i only skimmed it when it was posted without marking on another board. but i wish i hadn't.

I looked, and I don't hate myself. :D All I can say, if what LOSTFAN108 says is in fact true, is OMFG!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

[ihearttx]

I obviously looked too. Very odd indeed! Who knows? All I know is, the first part about tonight's episode appears to be cdrrect. Hmm.

[pocket]

I’ve been watching the whole thing go down over the last 24 hrs on the fuselage, the tailsection and darkufo’s spoiler site. Basically this person, lostfan108, is making claims to have seen the scripts for tonight’s show and the finale. Unlike other quasi-official spoiler sources, he posted the entire plot summary in a thread. So then darkufo and DocArzt of the tailsection are all in a huff about it and how could he have posted all that and they had the same info and didn’t post it etc. But now lostfan108 is indicating that he might be part of a misinformation campaign or that there is a major misinformation campaign going on right now involving those three sites mentioned above. It’s all very weird and I don’t know what to think. I guess we will know soon enough.

[1_mommy]

i like spoilers, but that guy went too far for my taste
i agree, just a little to much info

[westamp]

I looked too and I'm sort of annoyed. I wonder how they are gonna stretch this to 2010 (the series end date?).:confused:

[Katy]

I won't be reading the spoiler...I'm *way* to happy that Lost is good again to ruin the surprise. That said, ihearttx, do me a favor and edit your post to let folks know that it's not only a spoiler, but an actual plot synopsis. Thanks!

[ihearttx]

I edited it Katy, but it does say "do not read this unless you want to be totally spoiled!" so if someone reads it, it's not my fault! :)

[Katy]

I edited it Katy, but it does say "do not read this unless you want to be totally spoiled!" so if someone reads it, it's not my fault! :)this is very true. And since it's a mile long its a given that it's more than just a spoiler...but you know how folks get sometimes - LOL

[villanelle75]

I agree with Katy. I'm finally enjoying everything again and even though the suspense is awful, that's one of the best parts.

I don't think Charlie will die, at least not tonight. I think they've made it way too obvious for that to actually happen. Lost is into suspense and surprises and I don't think they'd say, "Oh look Charlie is going to die," and then "Oh look there is an preview that shows Desmond talking about Charlie having to die," if they really were going to kill him off in that episode.

Then again, those of you who read the uber-spoiler may be laughing at how off I am about tonight!

[pocket]

Anyone else hoping for a Matthew Fox/Josh Holloway make out scene in the finale?

[yby1]

No!!?

A Terry O'Quinn and Michael Emerson make out scene would be better. ;) Consider it make-up session.

[Jenyfer9]

DANGIT! I hate/love it when they leave you hanging at the end of an episode!!!! Oh, and btw, I decided not to read the finale synopsis.

[mel7dog]

Wow I didn't expect the underwater station to be that big inside. I liked seeing Charlie's flashbacks, very sweet.

Did anyone catch in the preview for next week when Jack tells Kate that he loves her?! I am super excited!!

[Jenyfer9]

NOOOO! Jack can't pull out the "I love you" card NOW! Sawyer already told her that he loved her. Hands off, "leader" man!

[diam124]

So for those of you who read the synopsis - was it correct?

[myshel]

Yes, from what I can remember.

[ihearttx]

So for those of you who read the synopsis - was it correct?

Yes it was!

[allison]

Did anyone else recognize the underwater station? It looked a lot like a set that was used for the movie The Abyss? I could be wrong but I can't get that out of my head.:p

[Phen]

spoilers or not, I wanna talk about last night.

The Looking Glass is totally the portal to the real world, no? For one thing, that "dock" where Charlie surfaced in there looked just like the one where Juliet woke up in after her submarine ride to the island, and for another, in Alice in Wonderland, the looking glass is the portal between Alice's real world and Wonderland.

~ phen

[Rancid13]

So for those of you who read the synopsis - was it correct?

Totally...and knowing that now, unless the writers have some something tricky up their sleeves and change it last minute, I'm really looking forward to next week! :D

[yby1]

spoilers or not, I wanna talk about last night.

The Looking Glass is totally the portal to the real world, no? For one thing, that "dock" where Charlie surfaced in there looked just like the one where Juliet woke up in after her submarine ride to the island, and for another, in Alice in Wonderland, the looking glass is the portal between Alice's real world and Wonderland.

~ phen

Could be. The Looking Glass is definitely a link between the island and the real world. Whether it be an actual portal or communications station.

[akacharlotte]

I was falling asleep during last nights episode. That is a first for me.

I read the spoiler above so it will interesting to see if the plot synopsis of the finale is correct. It was for Charlie's episode. When Charlie was laughing with relief over not dying all I could think of was you have to pull the switch first dumbass. I'll be glad to see Charlie go. Although, it was a sweet moment between him and Hurley.

I was happy to see Bernard and Rose again.

So is next week 2 hours?

[jenji]

NOOOO! Jack can't pull out the "I love you" card NOW! Sawyer already told her that he loved her. Hands off, "leader" man!

I'm wondering if he really tells that to Kate or if they're just trying to make us think he did. they showed him saying I love you, then showed Kate, but I'm not totally sold that that's how it'll play out in the episode.

for the first time I actually enjoyed Charlie's flashbacks and like him a little bit. The whole scene in the looking glass was a little crazy. It made me mad that Claire didn't see Charlie's ring and also didn't make sense to me why she wasn't using the sling Charlie made her to carry Aaron, but that's another issue.
The other thing I didn't get is I thouht the cable on the beach was about a days walk from the losties' camp and Desmond and Charlie seemed to get there pretty fast.
at any rate, I'm very excited for next week.

[krbb]

I'm wondering if he really tells that to Kate or if they're just trying to make us think he did. they showed him saying I love you, then showed Kate, but I'm not totally sold that that's how it'll play out in the episode.


I am thinking he is saying I love you to Juliet.

Why did they think the Looking Glass station was filled with water?

I just can't believe that after next week I have to wait until January or February to watch Lost again!

[yby1]

I'm wondering if he really tells that to Kate or if they're just trying to make us think he did. they showed him saying I love you, then showed Kate, but I'm not totally sold that that's how it'll play out in the episode.

for the first time I actually enjoyed Charlie's flashbacks and like him a little bit. The whole scene in the looking glass was a little crazy. It made me mad that Claire didn't see Charlie's ring and also didn't make sense to me why she wasn't using the sling Charlie made her to carry Aaron, but that's another issue.
The other thing I didn't get is I thouht the cable on the beach was about a days walk from the losties' camp and Desmond and Charlie seemed to get there pretty fast.
at any rate, I'm very excited for next week.

Sometimes we have to suspend our beliefs. :) Like it was just sooo easy for Charlie to knock out Desmond with that oar. C'mon! ;)

[yby1]

Why did they think the Looking Glass station was filled with water?


Because that's what Juilet said that Ben said. Obviously, whatever Ben says, you have to believe the opposite.

[Jenyfer9]

I forgot one of my favorite lines from last night... when Carl showed up on the beach and tells all of them that "she (Juliet) is a spy and that they're coming to take the women" and Juliet says "Yes, I've told them, but thanks." :)

[Rose]

for the first time I actually enjoyed Charlie's flashbacks and like him a little bit.

Me too. I've been waiting for him to die for three seasons and I thought last night was the night and finally felt sad for him but then he didn't die.

[Kate&Joey]

I forgot one of my favorite lines from last night... when Carl showed up on the beach and tells all of them that "she (Juliet) is a spy and that they're coming to take the women" and Juliet says "Yes, I've told them, but thanks." :)

My favorite line was from Charlie's flashback, to Claire:

"First plane crash?....I can always spot the newbies."

Best pickup line ever! :D

[akacharlotte]

My favorite line was from Charlie's flashback, to Claire:

"First plane crash?....I can always spot the newbies."

Best pickup line ever! :D

LOL. Yes it was. Does anyone remember if that scene was shown during the pilot?

[krbb]

LOL. Yes it was. Does anyone remember if that scene was shown during the pilot?

I don't think it was because it looked like Claire had bangs. Though they did look like they were swept to the side.

Also, the woman that Charlie saved from the mugger was Sayid's girlfriend. You can see the screen caps here, http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/.

[Katy]

I recognized Sayid's girlfriend though the hubby didn't believe me. Did anyone else notice whether the short-haired chick (the one further back) in the Looking Glass was the stewardess lady? I kind of liked Charlie's flashbacks, but I can't say they contributed all that much to the backstory.

[pocket]

She wasn't the stewardess lady (Cindy) she's a whole new Other. Or Dharma. Or some third nefarious cabal. I don't think Jack says I love you to Kate. It looked cut and they wouldn't give us that in a preview clip - it's too momentous.