The Bachelor: An Officer and a Gentleman

[Rosebud]

Okay, I know I keep promising to stop watching this terrible, terrible show.... but they actually have a cute bachelor this season! I'm sure the new season will be as craptacular as ever, but at least we'll have a little eye candy, right?

The show premieres on Monday, April 2 at 9:45 ET/ 8:45 CT

The Bachelor: Andy Baldwin

U.S. Navy Lieutenant Andy Baldwin, M.D., 30, an undersea medical officer for a special operations dive unit stationed in Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, has been selected to star in the tenth edition of ABC's popular romance reality series, when The Bachelor returns to the network in the Spring of 2007. In addition to his professional accomplishments, this Bachelor is also a world-class triathlete. more (http://abc.go.com/primetime/bachelor/index?pn=bio&g=9723&name=andybaldwin)

A quick Google search turned up some fun photos....

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k284/rosebud03_2006/gossip/andy2.jpg
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k284/rosebud03_2006/gossip/andy_baldwin_1.jpg
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k284/rosebud03_2006/gossip/andy3.jpg

[phoenics]

Holy ripped abs!

[kugrrly]

well I am intrigued.....

[Rosebud]

The Ladies
(and since this is The Bachelor, we should probably use the word "ladies" lightly):

Link to all the bios & photos (http://abc.go.com/primetime/bachelor/index?pn=bio)
A few of the contestants:

Tiffany W.
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k284/rosebud03_2006/gossip/bio_tiffany_w.jpg
Occupation: Medical Equipment Sales Representative; Age: 28; Hometown: Currently resides in Boston, MA

Alexis
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k284/rosebud03_2006/gossip/bio_alexis.jpg
Occupation: Attorney; Age: 26; Hometown: Currently resides in Southlake, TX

Jessica
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k284/rosebud03_2006/gossip/bio_jessica.jpg
Occupation: Hedge Fund Analyst; Age: 32; Hometown: Currently resides in New York, NY

Peyton
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k284/rosebud03_2006/gossip/peyton.jpg
Occupation: Sorority Recruiter; Age: 24; Hometown: Currently resides in Dallas, TX

Bevin
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k284/rosebud03_2006/gossip/bevin.jpg
Occupation: Clinic Research Coordinator; Age: 28; Hometown: Currently resides in Palo Alto, CA

Jackie
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k284/rosebud03_2006/gossip/jackie.jpg
Occupation: Executive Coordinator; Age: 23; Hometown: Currently resides in Minneapolis, MN

[phoenics]

Sorority Recruiter!!

LMAO! What kind of puff-puff-give job is THAT?

[Rosebud]

From realitytvworld.com:

"I had no idea how difficult a journey and a mission this was going to be. I've done a lot of things... getting to be a doctor, I've done the Iron Man [triathalon] six times... and this was hard. It is very physically and emotionally challenging," Baldwin told reporters during a Tuesday afternoon media conference call. "But well worth the journey. I came out with an amazing woman and I'm totally in love." more (http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/andy-baldwin-dishes-about-his-bachelor-experience-finding-love-4881.php)

[jennylou]

Sorority Recruiter!!

LMAO! What kind of puff-puff-give job is THAT?

I certainly didn't know that was a PAID position! I thought that was more the older classman recruiting the younger classman.:p

[mel7dog]

Does anyone else think Alexis looks a little skanky? :p

eta: Holy cow, 6 iron man's, this guy is BIG into fitness. I would imagine the girl he picks will have to be into it as well.

[isign]

After last season I swore I wasn't watching again, but I'm sucked in.

[charliezangel]

Erin
http://a.abc.com/media/primetime/bachelor/images/bios/bio_erin.jpg
Occupation: Financial Analyst

Age: 24

Hometown: Currently resides in Dallas, TX



WOW.......

[Maggie8202]

I also swore I wouldn't watch again, but I secretly can't wait for it to begin again!

[Koala_Gurl]

I can never swear not to watch...I know I'll come back every time. ;)

Can't wait for this one!

[KristyK]

Well, he's a big piece of eye candy, that's for sure! The ladies (so far)...especially Erin...eh, not so much.

Hopefully he's in real "love", not just TV love. Being a military officer can sometimes be a downfall in the "love" department. I hope it works!, and I too am going to be sucked in...again! :p

[KK812]

He was on The View yesterday and apparently he's found the "love of his life" and he is engaged. I couldn't tell if he was sincere or if he was putting on an act, because he seemed a little full of himself. Should be interesting to watch though-I know he requested that the women be told prior to auditions what he does for a living, but I still doubt that they really know what they're getting into.

[phoenics]

I certainly didn't know that was a PAID position! I thought that was more the older classman recruiting the younger classman.:p

Even worse - what sorority needs to recruit? I mean, honestly? Mine never did, there was always too much demand. At nearly every school (at least the HBCUs), the school had to cap the number that we could taken in each year.

So - what does she do? Sit there and wait for them to come to her? Wow - hard times. :rolleyes:

[phoenics]

He was on The View yesterday and apparently he's found the "love of his life" and he is engaged. I couldn't tell if he was sincere or if he was putting on an act, because he seemed a little full of himself. Should be interesting to watch though-I know he requested that the women be told prior to auditions what he does for a living, but I still doubt that they really know what they're getting into.

Two weeks after the show, I guarantee you we'll find out that they're broken up.

This show is insanity - no wonder people have such a cavalier attitude towards marriage. This show makes a mockery of the seriousness of it.

[j*east]

Sorority Recruiter!!

LMAO! What kind of puff-puff-give job is THAT?

My thoughts exactly!

Of course I will watch. It's so bad, it's good. And my DH will be thrilled! ;)

[Toonces]

Does anyone else think Alexis looks a little skanky? :p

I thought she was pretty. :) Erin looks skanky to me tho.

Well, he's a big piece of eye candy, that's for sure!

Yeah he is!

[melnv]

This girl also has a pretty tough occupation. ;)

Catherine
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a101/italiaAnja/bio_catherine.jpg?t=1175388987

Occupation: Former Miss Illinois

Age: 23

Hometown: Currently resides in Lake Forest, IL

[JenniferEC]

Those jobs are so BS. I think the show or the girls make it seem like they are a lot more professional than they are, except for the former Miss Illinois. :rolleyes:

And all I can hear in my head is those girls screaming how in love with him they are after knowing him for a couple of hours.

Erin is fugly. Those lines around her mouth look like they're going to swallow her face.

[WestieMomma]

He is hot!

and sorority recruiter-weird she must be employed by the sorority's head office and travels around to the various chapters or something.

And Alexis is 26 and lives in Southlake, TX?! I know it says she is an attorney but Southlake is super pricey and more of a family town-most of the houses are $600k plus (pricey for TX RE prices) and huge-I don't think a lot of singles live there so that is weird to me.

[j*east]

Ah, now I have a career goal: to be former Miss Something.

I better get on it. Especially b/c I'm married and over 30. :p

[Rosebud]

Is this job description vague enough for you??

Stephanie W.
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k284/rosebud03_2006/gossip/bio_stephanie_w.jpg
Occupation: Project Manager; Age: 23; Hometown: Currently resides in Overland Park, KS


FYI, there are THREE lawyers in this season's group of women. Shouldn't they know better?!

[sublime311]

I thought she was pretty.
Yeah, I thought Alexis was the pretty one in the bunch, too.

[carrie9142]

I saw this guy on The View, too. He is gorgeous, but came off as such a tool! (IMO) He was all smarmy and you could tell he thought he was pretty hot stuff. I don't usually watch The Batchelor, but watched his segment b/c a friend of mine is also an MD and in the Navy. I just wouldn't want to be with an Ironman Lieutenant Surgeon. How do you keep up with that?!

[maplekitty]

i thought fropm the commercials that he looks pretty full of himself. funny that we get that vibe and we havnt even seen anything about him yet! but.......um, he sure is nice to look at! :eek:

[KK812]

I just wouldn't want to be with an Ironman Lieutenant Surgeon. How do you keep up with that?!

Not that it matters, but a lieutenant is a pretty low ranking naval officer. My husband is one, so I'm in no way bashing it, but I'm just saying that I thought it was funny how prideful he was when he responded to the question of his title with "My official title is LT. Andy Baldwin, MD *big grin*," when I'm almost positive that doctors in the military automatically make O-3 after med school and it's almost a given that they'll pick up O-4. Not saying that an over-achieving husband isn't hard to keep up with, but the lieutenant part isn't all that impressive. ;)

[phoenics]

I love the radio show on my fave channel... this morning they had a 'meeting in the ladies room' call in where they asked women to call in and say whether they wanted to watch the Bachelor...

The female cohost of the show was solidly an anti-Bachelor fan... When she said that she hated this show - not only because it was ridiculous to watch a bunch of girls running after some cocky dude like she was in a harem - but because she said exactly what I've felt since day one... that they NEVER give love to any of the AA, Asian or Latina sistas on the show - and even if they DO make it past the first episode, they're always tokens for the most part - especially the AA sistas.

WORD.

Anyway, every woman who called in said they hated this show and were so over it. 100% against The Bachelor.

[Rosebud]

Anyway, every woman who called in said they hated this show and were so over it. 100% against The Bachelor.

Me too. I hate it. I'm so over it. For real.

But yeah, I'm probably going to watch it anyway. And I'll justify it by saying that I'm only watching it so I can come in here and snark about it afterward. :p

[j*east]

I don't hate it, but I know it's crap. It is ridiculous to see the token inclusion of people of color. But I still think it's entertaining. My expectations aren't too high for reality TV.

[ginastorm]

I can't wait for the drama to begin! We could start a betting pool to see who is going to say "I feel a connection" first!

[j*east]

I can't wait for the drama to begin! We could start a betting pool to see who is going to say "I feel a connection" first!

Yeah...throw any reference to the "journey" into the betting pool, too. I have never referred to any relationship as a "journey" in real life!

[cocoa_femme]

...that they NEVER give love to any of the AA, Asian or Latina sistas on the show - and even if they DO make it past the first episode, they're always tokens for the most part - especially the AA sistas.
Yep. ITA.

[kmmommy]

Subscribing so I have others to discuss the upcoming trainwreck with.

[JenniferEC]

The BS coming out these girls' (I hesitate to use women) mouths is disgusting!

Linda's bugeyes are driving me crazy. I keep expecting her eyes to pop out of her head.

Lindsay must be the house b!tch. If she keeps pulling on her extensions they might fall out!

Oh, and is the halter dress in this year because it seems like most of the women are wearing them?

[kugrrly]

darn i forgot that this was on tonight..... tuning in NOW!!!

[sarahncraig]

Linda looks like Marty Feldman! Ewwww...
http://www.independentcritics.com/images/youngfrankensteinSPLASH.jpg

eta: I take that back. She looks like the child of Marty Feldman and Lisa Rinna.

http://entimg.msn.com/i/150/Movies/Actors/Rinna_WM13446653_150x200.jpg

[kugrrly]

wow those are some eyes!

who was the girl that got the rose prior to the ceremony?

[JenniferEC]

Love the bitchy and disgusted looks on their faces as they're waiting for their names to be called.

[kugrrly]

Love the bitchy and disgusted looks on their faces as they're waiting for their names to be called.

so entertaining!

WOHOO>> Kansas City girl got a rose!


Disapointed though on how Lawrence girl is representing!!! Crazy GIRL!!!!

Us girls from Kansas are not CRAZY like her!!!

[udsweetpea]

ROFL at that picture!

Lindsay was so annoying!

[Chris'slady]

WoW Lindsay has lost it what a fool! I was laughing so hard tonight these girls really made some desperate attempts.

But lindsay just topped the night off whooaa crazy!!!

As for andy he seems pretty nice and not so full of himself yet i guess we will see

[kimbyj]

I think Lindsay was WASTED!!! certainly a few of them were drunk but WOW! I need to hear her on some show tomorrow talking about how she felt seeing herself in such a degrading way - hiking up her skirt, starting a confrontation because the other drunk woman fell down and she laughed, stomping out and use 4 letter words left and right. UGH! She saw him before the show and then she is going to stand there and bash his looks. Geesh!

[nuhmah]

I can't believe how DRUNK some of them were! Of course, editing does wonders, but still. What a first impression to make!

I am definitely checked in for this season - I always say I'm not going to watch it, but I love laughing at these women and their antics.

Did anyone else think the National Anthem performance was a little weird?

[ivansbabe]

Great show! LOL :D I actually had DH watching it with me and we laughed most of the time. The first episode is usually the best but I'm definitely going to continue to watch, nothing else is really on. I hope that guy, "Reality Steve" does recaps on his blogs...they're pretty funny too!

[Rosebud]

Wow-- what an opening to remember:

Catfight. Off-key National Anthem warbling. Horrific tequila birthday cake. Girl so drunk she falls on the floor. Another girl shows her va-jay-jay to the whole group doing some weird squats. Still another girl does the centipede. Top off the whole thing with Lindsey's insane freak out.... and it spells the best Bachelor season ever!! Complete with silicone, at no extra charge. :D

Andy is hot. I think he's a little "off" somehow, but I can't deny the hotness. And it looks like there will be plenty of shirtless hot tubbing for us to enjoy in future episodes. Amen to that!

[j*east]

I didn't watch the whole thing yet (had to go to bed before the drama was over), but...

--Yes, the Nat'l Anthem performance was weird. I also thought it weird that he stayed seated through it--if he's that patriotic, wouldn't he be standing?

--Andy just seems kinda...cheesy for lack of a better word. He talks in kind of a yuk-yuk way. I don't know how to explain it. In that suit he looked like he had no neck. I think it's because (the cheesy issue, not the neck thing) he's from central PA. (I'm from there too, so I can say such things. ;))

--Some of those women are mighty weird. There do seem to be a few with real jobs, but a lot of fluffy chicks with fluffy jobs, too. I'm curious to see who he kept.

I didn't watch past about 10:30, but I'll catch up tonight...

[Fenway]

I forgot to set my DVR! Is there somewhere I can watch it online?

[udsweetpea]

j*east I was going to say the same thing about him being from Lancaster County. It's just how they're bred here. Hehehehe :)

I can't wait to hear all of the hysterical crying later in the season as the previews showed, and I wonder who is rushed off to the hospital?!?

[Islandbride1025]

I had tears rolling down my face. These women are nuts. I can't believe he gave a rose to the chick in the skintight dress who did the backward worm, OH she'll make a GREAT Navy wife.

There was a pretty brunette, who kept rolling her eyes during the rose ceremony, I thought he should have picked. She was so pretty.

I guess I'm watching this season as there's nothing else on. I need a good laugh before I go to sleep.

[udsweetpea]

Because I had to look it up, I figured you all might want a list as well as to who got a rose last night.

Stephanie T.
Peyton
Bevin
Kate
Alexis
Danielle I.
Amber
Tiffany W.
Tessa
Nicole
Susan
Amanda
Erin
Tina
Stephanie W.

I think he needs to get rid of Nicole FAST!

[TazLuv]

Us girls from Kansas are not CRAZY like her!!!

I was thinking the same thing while I was watching this last night!

The other thing I noticed about Lisa was that the dress she was doing her "interviews" in was not the one she was wearing. She was wearing a black strapless dress, her interviews were done in a black halter dress. :confused:

I've heard he's been on more then one TV show saying that he's engaged and his sister says the family is very happy with his choice...

[imagirliegirl]

Occupation: Sorority Recruiter

Sounds like Heather Mills as the "charity campaigner" on Dancing. :rolleyes:

[Chris'slady]

WELL...

Candace the one that did the worm in the short skin tight dress well i wont say anything i will let you judge by her myspace page get ready to be disgusted! she is def a sl*t! He needs to get rid of her!

"http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=8533025 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=8533025)

Oh and here is crazy Lindsay representing to all us haters! lol

http://www.myspace.com/lindsayjo85

[udsweetpea]

Too bad Lindsay looks so much cuter on her page than on TV.

[SMgal]

Okay. To me, this bachelor is SO un hot! This guy is a total bore to me- way too conservative and presents like a true geek on television- giving that girl a rose just because she pointed it out... Yuck. The women however, were CRAZY and they will FOR SURE keep me interested this season! :)

[maplekitty]

ugh i was so tired last night i couldnt stay up to watch it!! why does the bachelor have to be on so late!!

[Rosebud]

ugh i was so tired last night i couldnt stay up to watch it!! why does the bachelor have to be on so late!!

So kiddies won't have to be subjected to drunken hos, of course! ;)

I thought Lindsey was really pretty-- one of the prettier girls, actually. But that personality sure does nothing for her.

"Sorority Recruiter" is the dumbest job ever.... but Payton seems kinda nice. So far, I think I really like Bevin and... is it Tessa who was telling that story about the Inca Trail? She seemed sweet.

[megc1]

Yes Tessa was the one with the Inca Trail story. She is cute and seemed sweet. I also like Bevin.

[udsweetpea]

Oh, I forgot about Tessa! She's definitely a keeper! So cute and seems so down to earth and intelligent.

[megc1]

While I really like Peyton, I find it very annoying the way Andy pronounces her name. Like Pey-TUN. I was shocked when he gave the first impression rose. I can't remember her name but she seems a little off to me. I wonder if she is the one that is taken away in the ambulance??

[Esq.]

Wow. I watched last night for the first season in about 4 years, and holy crap! There is some craziness going on on this show! It was way more tame the last time I saw it!

Those myspace links won't work for me :( Do they work for everyone else?

[Rosebud]

Those myspace links won't work for me :( Do they work for everyone else?

Nope. I was wondering if my work had blocked the site, but maybe those pages are overloaded this morning or something.

[ash313]

I find it very annoying the way Andy pronounces her name. Like Pey-TUN I thought the same thing - that is how my two year old son pronounces the name!

[Rose]

The myspace links work, but there is an extra http in both. You need to take it out and it will pull up the page. Candace's is private though.

[Chris'slady]

sorry i took one of the http out on each too many sorry:) But Candace went private around 11:30 all the girls on abc. com message boards were leaving her rude comments, etc so it looks like she put a stop to it!

[ginastorm]

I also wanted to let y'all know that not every female in AL gets falling down drunk. Blankeney was so sloppy drunk it was embarassing! I was so surprised that the producers didn't make Andy keep Lindsay for the drama. Somehow they will have to bring her back, she's just too much to have her go home after the 1st rose ceremony.

[j*east]

Oh, and WTF was up with his car???? What kind of car is that? And wasn't that cool in...the 1980s?

[JenniferEC]

Somehow they will have to bring her back, she's just too much to have her go home after the 1st rose ceremony.

Maybe they'll bring her back like Erica. We'll get to see her in a bubble bath and then get to help pick who goes on a group or single date. :D As long as she doesn't wear a tiara.

[Rosebud]

There is a truly hilarious recap of The Bachelor on ESPN. Totally worth reading:

SportsGal Blogs The Bachelor (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=bachelor/review1)

[udsweetpea]

Loved that ESPN article! Completely hilarious!

[kmmommy]

Thanks for posting that Rosebud! That was an enjoyable read!

[kimbyj]

Too bad Lindsay looks so much cuter on her page than on TV.

Ditto! ETA - Ditto to both of UD's posts!!!!!!

[SMgal]

SportsGal Blogs The Bachelor (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=bachelor/review1)

Thankyou Rosebud! That was HILARIOUS! :D

[Myra]

There is a truly hilarious recap of The Bachelor on ESPN. Totally worth reading:

SportsGal Blogs The Bachelor (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=bachelor/review1)
I love Sportsgal, tee-hee Overcompensator :D
Not loving this bachelor and his teeth, but he's a fellow Duke alum, so that'll be my excuse for watching.

[ginastorm]

I loved the article too! And I agree, I thought Andy's car looked like a DeLorean too! Seriously, what kind of car is that and is it really his car? If so, then he had to ship it to Los Angeles from Hawaii, right?

[phoenics]

I love Sportsgal, tee-hee Overcompensator :D
Not loving this bachelor and his teeth, but he's a fellow Duke alum, so that'll be my excuse for watching.

Well that gives me my official out, lol. Whoo hoo!

Tarheel here.

[Jaycee]

I thought Andy's car looked like a DeLorean too! Seriously, what kind of car is that and is it really his car? If so, then he had to ship it to Los Angeles from Hawaii, right?
It's a Saleen S7
http://www.saleen.com/saleen_s7_main.htm

[Cricket4]

That Saleen would cost about 500 thousand dollars.

I'm thinking the odds are good he doesn't make that much as a Leiutenant...he wouldn't make that much as a private practice doctor, as young as he is, even if he were Doogie Howser.

[TazLuv]

Oh, I'm sure the car isn't really his. :rolleyes:

[ginastorm]

It's a Saleen S7
http://www.saleen.com/saleen_s7_main.htm

Thanks, Jaycee!

I didn't mean to ask a dumb question, I was just geniunely curious about his car. I'm guessing that Saleen S7 paid for some product placement and now it's the Bachelor's car. If were him I'd feel a little ridiculous driving that car & pretending like it was mine!

[loving624]

I'm late subscribing, but I am so glad that others were bugged by Linda's eyes. Ohmygosh she has crazy eyes.

And Lindsay I am sooo glad didnt get the rose. She should have been embarassed by the way she acted.

[kugrrly]

Apparently Lindsey's mother (?) posted this in reaction to everyones thoughts on the Lawrence Journal world news page.

Posted by raiderssb (anonymous) on April 3, 2007 at 10:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Most of you really need to get over yourselves. There is no reality in this "REALITY". If you seriously think that this whole thing isn't contrived, and set up with a film editor to get the most out of the program, then you are fools. It is all a ratings game. Didn't it occur to that the extensive amount of "face time" Lindsay was given happened for a reason. Reality TV creates just what you people are giving it - controversy. The women were filled up on liquor all night long, and barely given anything to eat but finger foods. The last rose was given at 6:00 am in the morning. The six foot tall Bachelor was really five eight. The other women on the show behaved in an outrageous way which equalled, or was greater than Lindsay but you did not see it. Of course, since she was the ONLY black woman on the show, and much better looking than the bleached blondes, with fake body parts, they played it up. Mom_of_three - I think YOU get it, It was a production SUCCESS for ABC, and Warner Brothers. And to those that wonder how she got ON the show, it is because she is smart, funny, creative, and good looking. I know because I am her Mom. You haters are totally clueless, but we, her family, know the REAL Lindsay, and you don't!! You might want to expand your mind - and free yourselves.



http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/apr/03/bachelor_bid_ends_lawrence_woman/?city_local

[loving624]

That cracked me up. Mama did a good job defending thats for sure

[udsweetpea]

Well, she still acted like that on television whether they added extra face time for her or not. She still acted a fool.

[BeakersTrio]

Okay, I'm surprised that no one commented on the creepy way he hugged the girls. At one point he rubbed his hands all up and down the middle of one of the girls when she got out of the car. GROSS!

The cheese factor made me ill. I thought I was going to throw up after listening to all of his "You're so beautiful," comments. Yuck.

Of course I'll probably watch the entire season . . .

[Jaycee]

Thanks, Jaycee!

I didn't mean to ask a dumb question, I was just geniunely curious about his car. I'm guessing that Saleen S7 paid for some product placement and now it's the Bachelor's car. If were him I'd feel a little ridiculous driving that car & pretending like it was mine!

It wasn't a dumb question at all. The only reason I knew that is because DH was watching it with me and being the car fanatic that he is, he knew what it was right away and we had a little conversation about it. :)

[kissmytiara]

He is hot!

And Alexis is 26 and lives in Southlake, TX?! I know it says she is an attorney but Southlake is super pricey and more of a family town-most of the houses are $600k plus (pricey for TX RE prices) and huge-I don't think a lot of singles live there so that is weird to me.

I'd be willing to bet she still lives with mommy and daddy in good ole Southlake :eek:

ALSO -- On the rare occasion when I actually watch this show and get into it, I read this blog -- it's a girl from Texas, and she is hilarious!!!

The Bachelor Recaps (http://thebachelorrecaps.blogspot.com/)

[kugrrly]

Of course I'll probably watch the entire season . . .


Every season I tell myself I will NOT watch, but I always get sucked in.

[Koala_Gurl]

Okay, I'm surprised that no one commented on the creepy way he hugged the girls. At one point he rubbed his hands all up and down the middle of one of the girls when she got out of the car. GROSS!

The cheese factor made me ill. I thought I was going to throw up after listening to all of his "You're so beautiful," comments. Yuck.

Of course I'll probably watch the entire season . . .

OK, YES!! I noticed the very strange way he hugged the girls. I think I even caught him patting one girls butt. It was funny & awkward at the same time.

[KK812]

Okay. To me, this bachelor is SO un hot! This guy is a total bore to me- way too conservative and presents like a true geek on television- giving that girl a rose just because she pointed it out... Yuck. The women however, were CRAZY and they will FOR SURE keep me interested this season! :)

Well being in the military there are some standards that he has to meet/live by, which probably makes him seem conservative.


As far as money goes, if he is just 30 then he is most definitely in his payback(if the military pays for your schooling you owe them X years of service, depending on what kind of school) so he is not getting the bonus that military doctors do after their payback. O3's usually make $80-85k gross and he probably gets a $15k bonus for doing what he does. Not chump change, but not a "tire heir" or anything like that. ;)

These girls...well, let's just say he'd be best off choosing one of the older ones if he wants any chance of the relationship lasting.

[ginastorm]

I understand Lindsay's mom defending her daughter in the newspaper, but really, come on. This is the TENTH season of "The Bachelor". Everyone knows the producers give the girls plenty of alcohol and little food. It's no secret. The formula for The Bachelor hasn't changed much throughout the seasons. Your daughter was immature and it was caught on tape and shown to millions of people.

[phoenics]

Well, she still acted like that on television whether they added extra face time for her or not. She still acted a fool.

That's true - I hate it, but as an AA woman I KNOW how some like to put targets on our backs and make us out to be fools - the best way to get around that is to always be on our guards and act with dignity.

Is it fair? NO!

Yet another reason for me to hate this damn show - I'm SICK of them pushing crazy stereotypes about black women everytime you see one on tv. As if we don't have enough sh!t to deal with in real life - now we have to battle shows like this putting crap like this out there and spinning it. :mad:

[phoenics]

I understand Lindsay's mom defending her daughter in the newspaper, but really, come on. This is the TENTH season of "The Bachelor". Everyone knows the producers give the girls plenty of alcohol and little food. It's no secret. The formula for The Bachelor hasn't changed much throughout the seasons. Your daughter was immature and it was caught on tape and shown to millions of people.

I wonder how many of the other girls' immature behavior was caught on tape as well - but NOT AIRED?

That's my point. You can't tell me that she was the only one and you can't tell me that her race didn't have anything to do with why HER immature behavior was broadcast over the other girls' immature behavior.

Look, I know many people don't really care - it's just tv - but unfortunately, it's NOT just tv. People in this country use media to form opinions of entire groups of people - they've been doing it for years. Ever wonder why they now say on the news when a suspect is white? They didn't before. But when it was a black or a person of hispanic descent, they always ALWAYS mentioned it. So, enough human rights organizations complained that the news stations finally mentioned race when the suspect was white - because otherwise it presented an uneven picture of the demographics of crime.

It's the same with television. I mentioned this on another thread, but that show's being canceled, but the stereotypes are getting worse and more blatant by the day, imo. When you can't even count the number of times you see a black female on television on two hands, it becomes VERY damaging when nearly ALL of them fall into a stereotype - especially the new favorite stereotypes of hollywood media: 'angry black woman', or 'sassy-finger-snapping black woman'. :rolleyes:

It's not just tv.

Look at documentaries like 'A Girl Like Me' and you'll see that media images imbed themselves in our society and 'infect' the self-esteem of children from a very early age onward. Reality television is not reality - it's produced - it's edited and framed in such a way to tell a story - whether or not that story is actually based in truth. Hence, it's fiction - fiction capable of perpetuating stereotypes.

I am not making excuses for Lindsay. The camera wouldn't have caught her being immature had she not been acting immaturely. My issue is that it's almost certain that the other girls acted the same. Sadly, if Lindsay hadn't been acting out, she wouldn't have even been mentioned on camera. Other AA girls (and girls of other ethnicities) on The Bachelor pretty much disappeared into the woodwork if they acted 'normal'. Contrast that with white girls on the show who acted 'normal'. I'm sure we saw more of them than their ethnic counterparts.

*stepping down from soapbox to say that Lindsay really is crazy though*

[thedoorchick]

That's my point. You can't tell me that she was the only one and you can't tell me that her race didn't have anything to do with why HER immature behavior was broadcast over the other girls' immature behavior.


Well, I don't know a lot about what aired because I don't usually watch this show; however I did see the rose ceremony on Monday because I was flipping channels and it happened to be starting.

But on to my point, she was the only girl who stormed out in a huff, unless there was some VERY clever editing going on. Her race had nothing to do with that.

It's so crazy how on these shows, some people are upset if the contestants aren't diverse enough, and then some people are upset if they are diverse because apparently the minorities are "token" inclusions. I don't see how they can win.

[Rosebud]

phoenics-- I understand what you're saying. I totally do. I think The Bachelor in particular has been a really big offender in not having ethnically diverse casts and in consistently marginalizing the minority participants. More than once I have wondered why there hasn't been an AA Bachelor or Bachelorette yet. :confused:

In this case, I think we were dealing with a girl who (a) had too much to drink and (b) acted really badly, probably because she didn't like the other girls and the process in general. It totally sucks that she happened to be the one AA girl there. However, I can tell you that as a viewer I wasn't sitting there thinking that her race had anything to do with her actions. And I can guarantee you that if anyone else had thrown a similar temper tantrum, it would also have been aired (because from a TV producer's perspective, that's what brings in viewers-- that's what they're hoping will happen). I don't think that airing what Lindsey did was necessarily wrong or discriminatory, because reality TV is all about airing bad behavior.... but it certainly highlights larger problems in the media, and especially on this show.

Sort of a long winded way to say that I totally hear what you're saying and agree.

[j*east]

Phoenics, I hear what you're saying, and I agree. This show is trash. Don't even get me started with how it portrays all women--as crazy, marriage-starved, desperate, alcoholic, promiscuous, shallow, appearance obsessed, etc. etc. I'm sure many, if not most, of the women on this show are just as nuts as Lindsey, but this time she happened to be the most compelling. OTOH, yeah, I know that the show is buying into the "angry black woman" sterotype, like Amarosa on the Apprentice a few seasons back, or various people on the Real World.

However, I watch this show for its entertainment value--not its moral or political content. When I have kids, I will decide what's OK for them to watch, as I think all families should. Meanwhile, it would be pretty boring if all the shows that offended someone were taken off the air or made politically correct.

ETA: I mean this all in a completely respectful, friendly way to Phoenics and everyone else! :)

[udsweetpea]

phoenics Did you happen to see last season's season premiere? A white girl snapped off in a hurry and used every curse word in the book, and she got just as much or more airtime than this girl did this season. Nothing to do with race.

[phoenics]

Well, I don't know a lot about what aired because I don't usually watch this show; however I did see the rose ceremony on Monday because I was flipping channels and it happened to be starting.

But on to my point, she was the only girl who stormed out in a huff, unless there was some VERY clever editing going on. Her race had nothing to do with that.

That's not what I meant - what I asked was whether other girls had done things that were on the same level at other times on the show. I think it's quite possible that they did - but they weren't 'outed' for it.

Of course Lindsay was crazy - why else do you think the producers picked her to be on the show? They knew it from jump - I'm sure her race was just an extra bonus point so they could push another stereotype.


It's so crazy how on these shows, some people are upset if the contestants aren't diverse enough, and then some people are upset if they are diverse because apparently the minorities are "token" inclusions. I don't see how they can win.

For a certain group of people in this country, it can be hard to see it - because you don't HAVE to see it. It doesn't affect YOU or how people view you, so for you, it's a non-issue. Additionally, because you don't really 'get it', you're looking at it as though the selection process is fair.

It's not fair. Have we EVER seen an AA woman prominently featured on this show? EVER? No. The ONE time we have, she has to throw a hissy fit to get any airtime. How many of the non-minorities on that show had to throw hissy fits to be noticed?

I watched enough of The Bachelor to tell when a woman is included as a token and when it's a real inclusion. If it were real, then the women would match demographics - that means more than just ONE from the ethnicities. Perhaps if these producers - and maybe even fans like you - started asking honest questions about what makes a contestant a token and not a token, we'd get somewhere, but no one will honestly and that's why things will never change.

[phoenics]

phoenics Did you happen to see last season's season premiere? A white girl snapped off in a hurry and used every curse word in the book, and she got just as much or more airtime than this girl did this season. Nothing to do with race.

How many other white girls who were 'normal' got airtime?

Go back and compare the number of times a minority girl got airtime if she was 'normal' and then compare that to the number of white girls who got play for acting 'normal'...

Apparently Lyndsay knew that the sure way to get airtime was to act a complete fool. Previous tokens just got ignored when they were 'normal'. Of course, some white girls who acted 'normal' were ignored too - but that wasn't the norm.

When the ethnic girls on the show who act 'normal' get the same airplay that the other 'normal' white girls get on the show as a rule, THEN it will have nothing to do with race.

[udsweetpea]

I think then its a matter of statistics. Usually there's 1-2 ethnic women on the show and 23-24 white women. There are plenty of women on the show, no matter what race they may be, who do not get airtime. I think it all depends on if they strive for making face time with the bachelor.

[thedoorchick]

For a certain group of people in this country, it can be hard to see it - because you don't HAVE to see it. It doesn't affect YOU or how people view you, so for you, it's a non-issue. Additionally, because you don't really 'get it', you're looking at it as though the selection process is fair.

It's not fair. Have we EVER seen an AA woman prominently featured on this show? EVER? No. The ONE time we have, she has to throw a hissy fit to get any airtime. How many of the non-minorities on that show had to throw hissy fits to be noticed?

I watched enough of The Bachelor to tell when a woman is included as a token and when it's a real inclusion. If it were real, then the women would match demographics - that means more than just ONE from the ethnicities. Perhaps if these producers - and maybe even fans like you - started asking honest questions about what makes a contestant a token and not a token, we'd get somewhere, but no one will honestly and that's why things will never change.

I'm seeing a lot in your comments about how I don't see it and I don't "get" it, but what I didn't see is what you think should be done about it. I still think the producers are damned if they do, damned if they don't. If there are too few minorities, there are complaints. If there are minorities on the show, they're "tokens." What's the acceptable answer from your POV? This is why a lot of people accuse some others of "playing the race card." Because no possible solution is apparently acceptable. That makes people think the real issue is something else and what's being complained about is just a red herring.

It's all well and good to complain that change is needed somewhere, but it's a whole lot more effective if the complaints are backed up by solutions and aren't just rants.

[ejs]

Does anyone know how the show is cast? I thought the the Bachelor or Bachelorette helped narrow the contestant pool to the 24 who make it on the show.

[ginastorm]

When I made my comment about Lindsay my point was that all of these women should know how this show works. It had absolutely nothing to do with anyone's race nor did I say that Lyndsay was the only woman that embarassed herself. I think all of the women on the show embarassed themselves just by being on it! I mentioned Lyndsay because her mom was quoted in an online article that someone posted. FWIW, they did show Blakeney falling off her chair drunk, almost getting into a fight, and slurring her words and making absolutely no sense at the end of the show. If Blackeney's mom would have done an interview defending her daughter's drunken ways I would have said the same thing: the women should know how the show works.

phoenics, I agree that it truly is unfair that they haven't prominently featured a Bachelor or Bachelorette that is African American. I'd love someone to ask that question on the "Women Tell All Episode"!

[phoenics]

However, I watch this show for its entertainment value--not its moral or political content. When I have kids, I will decide what's OK for them to watch, as I think all families should. Meanwhile, it would be pretty boring if all the shows that offended someone were taken off the air or made politically correct.

But unfortunately those shows and news media shows have huge impacts on the lives of minorities - since they help perpetuate negative stereotypes. There aren't enough people not watching or preventing their teenage kids from watching to really assuage the problem.

I know that you don't see it as all that dangerous, but some of us have to fight these stereotypes in our daily lives and it's difficult. It definitely has an impact.

I think that many don't really see it as dangerous because those stereotypes don't affect them like they affect others. I understand that - but I don't have to like it, lol.

[phoenics]

I'm seeing a lot in your comments about how I don't see it and I don't "get" it, but what I didn't see is what you think should be done about it. I still think the producers are damned if they do, damned if they don't. If there are too few minorities, there are complaints. If there are minorities on the show, they're "tokens."

That is NOT what a token means. When you have a minority group represented by only ONE person, then unfortunately, that person ends up being looked at as the representative of that group, when in reality they are simply one person who happens to be from that group.

But their actions are taken as representative of the whole (not by all, but by many - ESPECIALLY when the only ones ever cast act according to those stereotype).

I said in my post above that perhaps producers could cast more than one from certain ethnic groups and perhaps give those women more camera time just as the 'normal' white girls get more camera time?

It's complicated by the fact that usually the bachelor isn't interested in the women of color who are cast - hence the term TOKEN. They aren't there to really compete, they're there so the show doesn't have to hear complaints that they never have any people of color on the show.

What's the acceptable answer from your POV? This is why a lot of people accuse some others of "playing the race card." Because no possible solution is apparently acceptable. That makes people think the real issue is something else and what's being complained about is just a red herring.

I cannot believe you even UTTERED that term. For one, I hate that term because this issue is NOT a game. It's simply a reality that I as a black woman see negative stereotypes everyday on my television set and they unfortunately outnumber the times when I don't see them in women of color cast on tv.

So my answer to you would be that part of the issue is that it's not just MY issue. It should be everyone's issue - everyone that cares about racial equality. This is why racism still exists, imo. The people who have the power in this country don't HAVE to do anything about racism, because it doesn't affect them - thus the onus to 'do something' (what can minorities really do about this?) falls on the people who already don't have any power to begin with.

I'll say it again: look at what Lyndsay had to do to get noticed on this show. Can any of you name another black contestant right off the top of your head from this show? I can't. That's because they were essentially ignored. Tokens.


It's all well and good to complain that change is needed somewhere, but it's a whole lot more effective if the complaints are backed up by solutions and aren't just rants.

Oh so like it's ONLY my problem to solve? Wow.

This is the same as the n-word drama. The onus of responsibility to 'fix' the problem is pushed onto blacks to 'stop using the word', while the majority in this country pretend that the only reason the word is being used now is because of blacks. Whatever.

I clearly don't have all of the answers - but I can tell you that I spend a lot of time just trying to explain to people who've never experienced racism before why a situation is racist. It's kind of hard to get to 'solutions' when you're still stuck in 'this is why it's racist' mode all of the time because the majority believe that you're 'playing the race card'.

I do not believe you are trying to understand at all - you aren't coming off like you care about the problem, insinuating that I'm playing the race card. Do you even know how offensive a term that is?

[phoenics]

I think then its a matter of statistics. Usually there's 1-2 ethnic women on the show and 23-24 white women. There are plenty of women on the show, no matter what race they may be, who do not get airtime. I think it all depends on if they strive for making face time with the bachelor.

Yet Lyndsay got airtime this time, right? Because she made a fool of herself? Maybe she figured it out: in order for a minority to get airtime, they have to act a fool.

Those statistics are still off. In order to accurately judge, we'd have to show that the ratio between 'normal' acting white girls who are given airtime and 'normal' acting minority girls who are given airtime is significantly skewed toward showing the 'normal' white girls.

If the show included more ethnic girls to begin with, we might actually see a more balanced ratio - but with only 1 or 2 on each show (out of 24?), but it doesn't. That's why we call them a token 1 or 2 girls. They aren't meant to be a factor - statistically - or otherwise.

My point is basically that I can't even remember the names of the other black women on this show and it's had how many seasons? But I know Lyndsay now.

To me, that's pretty startling.

Look, of course people can watch what they want to watch and the Bachelor isn't unique in it's discriminatory method of portraying minorities. I just wanted to make a point.

[phoenics]

When I made my comment about Lindsay my point was that all of these women should know how this show works. It had absolutely nothing to do with anyone's race nor did I say that Lyndsay was the only woman that embarassed herself. I think all of the women on the show embarassed themselves just by being on it! I mentioned Lyndsay because her mom was quoted in an online article that someone posted. FWIW, they did show Blakeney falling off her chair drunk, almost getting into a fight, and slurring her words and making absolutely no sense at the end of the show. If Blackeney's mom would have done an interview defending her daughter's drunken ways I would have said the same thing: the women should know how the show works.

I completely agree with you. My main disappointment was that the first time an AA woman was actually given airtime, it was for this. Other AA women have been on the show, and they were 'normal', but they never got any airtime.

It simply makes the show look like it's more interesting in pushing stereotypes when it comes to AA women - or ignoring them altogether... but the white female contestants can act 'normal' and not get ignored.

Does that make sense?


phoenics, I agree that it truly is unfair that they haven't prominently featured a Bachelor or Bachelorette that is African American. I'd love someone to ask that question on the "Women Tell All Episode"!

Maybe I should call in, but honestly I feel a little dumb for getting so pissed off about a tv show that I hate anyway... even though I do believe that media influences society.

[Rosebud]

Hey everyone,

I think this is a really valuable topic of discussion, but let's keep it friendly. We can also create another thread on this particular issue if you like.

Thanks!

[maplekitty]

Does anyone know how the show is cast? I thought the the Bachelor or Bachelorette helped narrow the contestant pool to the 24 who make it on the show.


I believe some do and some don't. from what i remember, it was more the bachelorettes who wanted a say in who was selected.

[j*east]

But unfortunately those shows and news media shows have huge impacts on the lives of minorities - since they help perpetuate negative stereotypes. There aren't enough people not watching or preventing their teenage kids from watching to really assuage the problem.

I know that you don't see it as all that dangerous, but some of us have to fight these stereotypes in our daily lives and it's difficult. It definitely has an impact.

I think that many don't really see it as dangerous because those stereotypes don't affect them like they affect others. I understand that - but I don't have to like it, lol.

Of course you don't have to like it! :) For me, I guess I just see other things as more important than trying to control what's on TV...education, for instance, which is why I'm a teacher, and politics, which is why I vote, and other kinds of activism. I honestly think that I could work really hard to try to change what's on reality TV, and it wouldn't make one bit of difference to people in Hollywood who just want to make money. And although I am white, I absolutely think the gender stereotypes on this show affect me, as a woman. But...I just can't worry about this stuff all the time. I spend a lot of time in my work trying to dispel sterotypes among my teenaged students. I get a lot further one-on-one than I would taking on a production company. And after work, I just want to watch some bad TV. :)

ETA: Just one thing about tokens: yeah, phoenics, you're right, the women of color usually are not serious contenders, and that's because a lot of people would not choose to date or marry outside of their races. I'm not crazy about that fact, but there it is. It would still be nice to see a non-white Bachelor or Bachelorette. One time (seasons ago) they showed 4 Bachelor finalists at the very beginning and one was Afr-Am--I think he was something like a lawyer and an Olympic athlete? I remember wishing they had picked him. :)

Is it my imagination, or was Mary who was chosen by the pro fisherman Bachelor Latina?

[Sazoo]

Is it my imagination, or was Mary who was chosen by the pro fisherman Bachelor Latina?Yes, she was, and her fisherman was named Byron. :) I think they got married a year or so ago.

[Rose]

Mary was also one of the 3 girls left with Bachelor Bob. She got lucky and was cut. :)

[ginastorm]

Mary was also one of the 3 girls left with Bachelor Bob. She got lucky and was cut. :)

Hee! At first I really like Bachelor Bob, and now, not so much! From what I understand I believe that Chris Harrison said that Bob was very straightforward with the women and told them that we was going to try to sleep with them. Klassy.

[phoenics]

Hee! At first I really like Bachelor Bob, and now, not so much! From what I understand I believe that Chris Harrison said that Bob was very straightforward with the women and told them that we was going to try to sleep with them. Klassy.

What was the girl from the first season (maybe it wasnt' the first) who was waiting until marriage to have sex? And the bachelor just dissed her? I always respected her for that - and hated him.

[Rose]

Was it Tina Fab from season 3 with Andrew Firestone?

[SiValleySteph]

ETA: Just one thing about tokens: yeah, phoenics, you're right, the women of color usually are not serious contenders, and that's because a lot of people would not choose to date or marry outside of their races. I'm not crazy about that fact, but there it is.

I think this is the real problem here. The producers are probably not trying to ruffle any feathers by having a black-white couple result. If they put more black girls on the show, it's more likely the bachelor will have a match with one. This bachelor did put through all the Asian girls into the 2nd round.

I wish they would do it more like Survivor has started doing with 1/4 black, 1/4 white, 1/4 latino, 1/4 Asian. I think it actually moves the spotlight OFF race because then the "ethnic" contestants are not "tokens" and the potential to hit it off with a member of any one group is higher.

[ginastorm]

What was the girl from the first season (maybe it wasnt' the first) who was waiting until marriage to have sex? And the bachelor just dissed her? I always respected her for that - and hated him.

You know, I'm not sure if that was on Bachelor Bob's season or not. Something tells me it was him, but I don't remember. I respected her too for being upfront about how the relationship was going to be with her. Even if it wasn't Bob that dissed her, I still think he's a punk!

[Koala_Gurl]

Where is my token size 12 woman on this show?

[j*east]

Where is my token size 12 woman on this show?

Yeah, that's a whole other area of bias!

Can't wait for a new episode so I can wipe all of this thoughtful discussion from my mind. :) Just kidding...I'm enjoying it and obviously contributing to it.

[Toonces]

I'm finally getting around to watching the first episode. I just watched the intro and oh my gosh... this guy is HOT! Back to watching (and drooling).

[Toonces]

Ummm... Erin looks like one of Heff's girlfriends. Nice brassy hair. :rolleyes:

[udsweetpea]

Ooh, its Bachelor day! I can't wait for another installment of our hot, weird, corny Lancaster County man!

[Toonces]

Linda = creepy bug eyes; push ups? Freak.
Lindsay is cracking me up
How about the chick telling him her bf died :eek: buzz kill
Tessa = ditzy
Nicole = fugly; teqila instead of eggs? WTF?
These girls are so stupid.
What's with all of the bleach blondes? Ick. Guess he likes them.
OK... this guy is a cheeseball; hot, but a cheeseball
Yeah, how he says "Pey-TON" is irritating.
Did anyone hear him pronounce "Massachu-chetts"? Yeah, 4 syllable words are hard
Susan, nice THOs :rolleyes:
I like Tina, despite her singing
Damn... Lindsay is dramatic. I kind of wish he would've kept her for the drama. Actually, she was right with all she said and one of the prettier girls there.

Can't wait for tonight. :p :)

[j*east]

Ooh, its Bachelor day! I can't wait for another installment of our hot, weird, corny Lancaster County man!

Ditto!

[ginastorm]

I have to run home to set the Tivo to record since I forgot to put it on season pass! You know, I've wondered if they would ever put old seasons of The Bachelor/Bachelorette out on dvd. I missed the first season and would like to watch it.

[Koala_Gurl]

I have to run home to set the Tivo to record since I forgot to put it on season pass! You know, I've wondered if they would ever put old seasons of The Bachelor/Bachelorette out on dvd. I missed the first season and would like to watch it.

I am so bad, but I would love them to be on DVD...but only if they added footage. I realize that they edit the show so we can't see who the favorite girl is...but now that we all know the ending, I would love to see more of the footage w/ the chosen one. :)

[JenniferEC]

Do Andy's teeth bother anyone else? It's almost like they're too big and they keep him from speaking properly. (Speech impediment?)

Also, the way he over-enunciates is annoying!!!!!

[lml41981]

And Alexis is 26 and lives in Southlake, TX?! I know it says she is an attorney but Southlake is super pricey and more of a family town-most of the houses are $600k plus (pricey for TX RE prices) and huge-I don't think a lot of singles live there so that is weird to me.

I'd be willing to bet she still lives with mommy and daddy in good ole Southlake :eek:

She actually lives and works in Dallas.

Here's her profile... (http://www.lawyers.com/Texas/Dallas/Alexis-C.-Young-4795614-a.html)

eta: Well...maybe she only works in Dallas...I dunno...Southlake isn't as far as I thought it was for a daily commute. It's hard to keep track of all the suburbs!

[Jaycee]

Do Andy's teeth bother anyone else? It's almost like they're too big and they keep him from speaking properly. (Speech impediment?)

Also, the way he over-enunciates is annoying!!!!!
Yes! He doesn't really open his mouth too much when he talks. It's like he's talking through his teeth.

[PookiePrincess]

She actually lives and works in Dallas.

Here's her profile... (http://www.lawyers.com/Texas/Dallas/Alexis-C.-Young-4795614-a.html)

THAT'S why she looks so familiar! She was on the Miss Texas pageant circuit a few years back. She was Miss Burleson (http://www.misstexas.org/cntestnt04.htm) in '04.

[lml41981]

THAT'S why she looks so familiar! She was on the Miss Texas pageant circuit a few years back. She was Miss Burleson (http://www.misstexas.org/cntestnt04.htm) in '04.
Well, now we know she funded law school by keeping her clothes on. ;)

[mel7dog]

I'm glad one of the blonde chicks went home, they don't seem to have too much depth to me. I liked Amber. She seemed fun and cool without trying too hard like some of the others.

[udsweetpea]

Does Susan have a twitch or is it just me? And the other Barbie girl can't keep both eyes open when she's talking to the camera.

I really like Amber. She seems like the perfect match for Andy- so far. I'm also pulling for Tessa to go pretty far.

I was hoping Stephanie, the first impression rose girl, would have fallen off the yacht. She's so annoying, and heinous as Lyndsey called her. You can tell she was one of those nerdy girls in school that everyone picked on.

[mel7dog]

Stephanie drives me crazy. I think she looks like a witch with her moles and ears that stick out. She does have a killer body though.

[udsweetpea]

She does have a killer body though.

Absolutely agree! Too bad she's a butta face.

[ginastorm]

Is it just me or does Andy remind y'all of a grown up version of Zach Morris from Saved by the Bell?

http://a.abc.com/media/primetime/bachelor/images/gallery/andy/bach_01.jpg
Andy

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/c/c7/220px-Zackmorris.jpg
Zach

[JenniferEC]

Stephanie drives me crazy. I think she looks like a witch with her moles and ears that stick out. She does have a killer body though.

Stephanie seems so fake. I'm really surprised he gave her another rose considering how annoying she was on their date. She does seem "stalkerish" asking him about what kind of wedding he wants. You've known him a few days! And I swear she cut the lining out of her bikini because you could see through it before she got in the hot tub.

[loving624]

Stephanie's eyebrows really bug me. I'm kind of surprised he kept her around. I guess he just thinks she's hot, but I agree, the whole what kind of wedding do you want freaked me out last night.

Tweedledee Blonde #1 and Tweedledum Blonde #2 amazed me. How did he choose between them? Wonder why one got to stay and not the other

[Rose]

I hate the way the refer to the Bachelor as an officer & a gentleman all the time. It's getting very old.

[Rosebud]

I hate the way the refer to the Bachelor as an officer & a gentleman all the time. It's getting very old.

And how they keep playing "Love Lifts Us Up" in the background.... :rolleyes:


Bevin was CRANKY last night! What was up with that?

Why in the world would Andy even keep one of the two dumb blondes who walked in the pool? He's a triathelete, they don't want to get their hair wet, that's really not going to work out.

I like Tessa and Amber right now. I think Danielle might stick around, though.

How painful was that date with Tiffany? I can't believe she couldn't com eup with anything to say!

[ambula704]

I like Amber. I have liked her since she stepped out of the limo. I think shes genuine and sweet.

Did anyone else get annoyed when they were sort of making fun of Alexis for being a virgin? I thought it was incredibly rude and sad. She is a beautiful girl and has morals, and will be much better finding a husband on her own than on the Bachelor.

I didnt like Bevin. Shes a B**** in my opinion. She was all whiney and cranky...give me a break! And Stephanie...shes a fruit loop! She is so cocky it drives me insane!!


Someone mentioned Andy's teeth, its like his tiny top lip gets stuck on them when he talks. Drives. me. insane! But I still watch, haha!


I also like Tina and Tessa, they are beautiful and seem very intelligent. But Im all for Amber!

I dont really enjoy Andy that much, but I think the girls are interesting this season!

[ceaserbride]

I think it seems like Andy is really nervous all.the.time. I think that is where the lip/teeth thing comes in. Like his nervousness on camera is making him look more stupid...exactly what he's trying to avoid. I dunno, something that would probably happen to me! :o

[ivansbabe]

I just have to share this link (sorry if someone already did), since someone posted it during the last season...really, it makes it worth watching.

www.realitysteve.com

[jki]

Do Andy's teeth bother anyone else? It's almost like they're too big and they keep him from speaking properly. (Speech impediment?)

Also, the way he over-enunciates is annoying!!!!!

LOL - his teeth are SO annoying... I think he has too many teeth in his mouth!

[charliezangel]

Can i just say that Andy is a true jacka$$!!! I honestly can't stand another minute of his leering. My blog says it all (shameless plug). It's on chatterblog!!!

But anyway, I'm sick of him and even more sick of the barbiedolls and i'm glad he got rid of at least one of them. My bets are on Stephanie T or Amber. Tessa might make it far if she sucks it up and takes it like a man...not likely though.

[cocopop]

Can i just say that Andy is a true jacka$$!!! I honestly can't stand another minute of his leering.

I thought I was the only one who noticed that. It's so creepy. It's like he's never seen a half-way decent looking girl in his life! He's like a little twelve year old just reaching puberty.

I do think he's good-looking, and obviously has a nice body, but that's it. Not impressive at all.

[Sazoo]

I love reading that Bachelor recap website that someone posted a week or so ago. Too funny! Here's the link again:

Bachelor Recaps (http://thebachelorrecaps.blogspot.com/)

This was my favorite part of her most recent entry, after this week's episode:

In awe. In shock maybe? Unable to believe what was happening before my eyes? Begging myself to look away but fighting through the total embarrassment for the girls on the TV screen for the sake of this recap.

The mechanical bull. Oh the mechanical bull.

I’m from Texas. Lived here my whole life. I’ve seen lots of mechanical bulls. When you are born, you are issued a copy of Urban Cowboy. So I’ve seen Bud, Sissy and that convict guy who eats the worm from the tequila bottle on a mechanical bull LOADS of times.

But I’ve never seen a mechanical bull “do” what that mechanical bull did.

My conclusion?

The producers put the ABC intern be in charge of the mechanical bull. And this kid has a wicked sense of humor. Let’s make the bull vibrate and bounce before gyration. BRILLIANT!

Lieutenant Andy is pumped about seeing his dates on the mechanical bull. He wants a girl who is not afraid. He needs someone who can get dirty, act like a tomboy and break her nails.

[KiKi'sMommy]

I thought the bull riding part was disgusting and just a cheap trick to get bouncing boobs on TV.

I think he is ugly. Not attractive at all and not even charming.

[KK812]

This guy seriously gives naval officers everywhere a bad name. Eww.

And yet, I can't look away from the train wreck.

[ginastorm]

Sazoo, I love reading Lincee's recaps! They are hilarious!

[craftgenius]

Wow! You girls are TOUGH! I like him and think he's cute! That Stephanie girl was getting on my nerves...she's too cocky! And Bevin was getting on my nerves too.

[udsweetpea]

Wait.. was the bull riding thing in the first 10 minutes?! I must have missed it!

[maplekitty]

I don't know...I don't think he's *that bad*!
Of course he's going to be oogling...he's a guy surrounded by a dozen good looking drunk women in bikinis. Seriously...even the nicest of guys would oogle a little bit.
I think he's the kind of guy who's good looking, and knows it, has always had women flirt with him, so yah, he's a little cocky...but he's in a situation where even he's a little overwhelmed.

As for the girls...well....I like Danielle, and Amber, and the gymnast? or was that Danielle? oiy, I'm confused I need the bachelor webpage cheat-sheet.

[SMgal]

.Did anyone else get annoyed when they were sort of making fun of Alexis for being a virgin? I thought it was incredibly rude and sad. She is a beautiful girl and has morals,

ITA! I am SHOCKED that he would not pick her! He chose one of the blonde bimbo twins OVER Alexis? I thought she was one of the best choices and STUNNING!

[cocopop]

I don't know...I don't think he's *that bad*!
Of course he's going to be oogling...he's a guy surrounded by a dozen good looking drunk women in bikinis. Seriously...even the nicest of guys would oogle a little bit.


You're right. He really isn't that bad. He's definitely better looking than that guy named Bob!! I agree, any guy would be oogling but his oogling reminds me of a nerd. Kinda like "well, ga-all-lee!!!" (Who was that guy that used to say that???)

[craftgenius]

ITA! I am SHOCKED that he would not pick her! He chose one of the blonde bimbo twins OVER Alexis? I thought she was one of the best choices and STUNNING!


I agree...I also would have thought he'd pick Alexis over the blonde barbie. She's cuter and DEFINITELY smarter. Although at times she did seem a little uptight.

[Toonces]

Kinda like "well, ga-all-lee!!!" (Who was that guy that used to say that???)

Jim Nabors as Gomer Pyle. ;)

[hotmama]

*raising my hand*

am also one that said i wouldn't watch the show again. each season gets more annoying than the last. the show title alone this season....*gag!* i swear, my husband and i try to count how many times everyone on the show says 'amazing'. everything is soooo 'amazing' or soooo dramatic. how about 'you must stay tuned for thee most dramatic rose ceremony yet'. nothing has ever been that interesting to stay tuned for, but we humor them and continue watching.

what bothers me most is that i watch the whole dang season and within a matter of weeks the couple breaks up (minus those few random couples that actually get married and are still together).

anyway, both of us are watching the show again. would have to say that amber seems most promising right now.

i loved lindsay purely for her humor. omg, was anyone else laughing when she was laughing about the girl falling off the chair? the way she just blew her out of the water and called her a jackass with her raspy voice....my husband and i had to rewind the tivo over and over again to get our laughs in. so dang funny! wish they would've kept her around longer b/c she would've made the show more interesting.

[mel7dog]

So was he crying tonight when he had to send Pay-Ton (written as he says it ;) )home? I kinds liked when Stephanie SC got put in her place. What did she think he was going to propse to her the first week. It was so obvious Amanda was going home. The seemed to have zero connection.

[JenniferEC]

Why, why, why does he keep Stephanie from SC around? She has to be the most annoying person there. She looked like a complete bitch at the rose ceremony when he was calling the other names and what was up with her hair and dress at the RC?

I'm also confused as to why he keeps giving a rose to the med student. (I think her name is Tina.) She seems to have no personality and she can't seem to look him in the eyes.

Not sure how I feel about Tessa or Bevin, but I thought it was cute when he ran out of the house after Bevin fell. BTW, what is with all of this exercise/boot camp crap? I know Dandy Andy is a marine and into working out, but it seems to be overkill.

[mel7dog]

I feel the same way about Tina. She seems to have zero chemistry with him and yet she got a rose. I thought even Erin seemed more lively than her!

Do you all think he already knows which 1-2 woman he could really be with so we just play around with the rest to make the show exciting? I can't imagine really liking 15 different guys enough to where I though they could be the one.

[udsweetpea]

I think he keeps Tina around just because he has that many roses to give out. Maybe he doesn't really like her but has too many roses to give... who knows.

I'm really pulling for Tessa to "win".

[sublime311]

It drove me nuts last night that he was standing SOOOO close to the girls that it seemed like the girls had to actually lean back to feel comfortable talking to him. He had no problem looking them in the eyes (or boobs or where ever) and talking to them while his face was 6 inches away. The girls this happened to reminded me of submissive dogs who can't look you in the eye.

Back off dude! Personal space invaders suck!

[udsweetpea]

Was anyone else surprised he didn't give a rose to Erin? It seemed like he really liked her while they were out driving around.

[ash313]

I def. think he was crying when he said Goodbye to Pay-ton.
Stephanie has the worst sense of style ever. I don't know how she thought she looked good at the RC with that hair. And her teeth bug me. Everything about her bugs me. She is just gross and cocky for no reason. I loved the look on her face when Stephanie from Kansas got the "special quality time" (I hate how they always have to say that) and also when he called Steph from Kansas' name at the RC and she was all happy till he said Kansas and then she got a pissy look on her face. That was great.

I was a little surprised Erin didn't get a rose.

[loving624]

Last night bugged me. Who decides who gets the 2 on 1 dates? I thought it was him. If so, he made a bad choice, according to him. He HAS to choose one of them to go home. All thru the date he was talking about how he liked both of them and it was a hard choice, etc. I hate that he had to send Pay-ton home but then again, it's probably all in the editing.

I'm so disqusted that he kept Stephanie (the annoying one) there. I was so excited till he gave her the last rose. Ugh. What in the world does he see in her?

[Toonces]

Maybe he sent Pey-ton home because he couldn't pronounce her name correctly. :p

No clue why he kept Tina over Malibu Barbie. IMO, Tina is prettier, but zero personality and I didn't think they even talked very much. Again, probably editing.

My money is on Bevin. They seem to have a real connection... as real as it can get on The Bachelor.

[sublime311]

My money is on Bevin. They seem to have a real connection... as real as it can get on The Bachelor.
Who gives a girl a watch when she breaks her ankle?? It was so funny. He must REALLY like her. :p

[mmm0708]

Bevin seems incredibly insecure to me. Don't know... but with what ABC has shown of her to date, I don't really like her.

[Chris~n~Jen]

I actually like this bachelor. He does seem cheesy at times but I feel like he's really genuine. He did cry when he said goodbye to Peyton. I think he honestly cares about people and doesn't want to see them hurt. I also don't think he's acting any more slimy than most other guys in the same situation would be. He's got all these beautiful women fighting for his attention. It would be a confidence booster for any guy.

I do agree about the craziness of the two on one date being those two. You would think, if it were really up to him, that he would choose someone he knows he really likes and someone he knows he doesn't so that the choice would be easy. Seemed like he had a good connection with both those girls. :confused:

Also wondering what's up with him keeping Tina. My only guess is that they have really good conversations (that we don't get to see, of course) and that he is interested in her intellectually. They probably have a lot in common since she is a med student. Although they seem to have zero chemistry.

[KristyK]

Why is it that when he gets one of these women alone they don't have much to say? Last night it was Erin (barbie).....he has to pull this stuff out of them. Last week it was the girl on the log (don't remember her name). He seems to me to be very honest and actually interested in what they have to say.......problem is, the ones he wants to have some interest in aren't interesting, either that or they just dont' get it.

I do like this bachelor. He's not some rich guy thats a jerk. He does seem passionate about his interests and he does seem (to me) to want to know these women as much as he can. He's looking for love..actual love, as opposed to the fake love all the other bachelors have been looking for. Out of the girls that are left, I think there are maybe 2 that he is really attracted too. Lets hope that one of them is "the girl" for him.

I also think that he's just being a regular bachelor, and young single guy thats got the chance to have fun with a bunch of girls in bikinis. I don't think anything he's done is that bad.....well at least yet! :p

Plus, I think he's kind of cute, and I'm loving all the drama and crap in the house! The first night was the best, I loved the obnoxious girls as well as the drunk ones. Yep, I'm hooked again this year! :D

So I like Tessa, I think she's naturally cute, not just make-up cute. I don't really care about Bevin....she's kind of fake, and seems in it for the "game" most of the time. I think its wrong that their alone time ended up being in the hospital, why the heck couldn't he have ordered a nice dinner on the hospital roof or something?? I also like the "other Stephanie". The fake one is too fake, and not even that cute. I also like Danielle, she seems very honest and real.

I'm actually enjoying this year, and glad I'm not working so I can stay up at night to watch the episodes in real time.

Ok, on to watching Jeff Probst on tv this morning.

[bluberry]

I laughed out loud when dreamboy asked Kate to show her serious side and in her sidebar, she said: "What? Does he want me to adopt an orphaned child or something???".

I haven't seen all the past bachelor shows, but Andy is *definitely* awkward. Eloquence is definitely NOT his strong suit.

[j*east]

Maybe I'm a total cynic, but I don't think Andy has much control over who he dates when. I think the producers set it all up, so they chose 2 women he liked for the 2 on 1 date. Also, I think the watch thing is weird, and I'm willing to bet it's not even his, or that the producers gave it to him or something. It's all about the producers IMO. :)

Stephanie SC is sooooooo annoying! I love when she gets that snotty look on her face. Can't wait until she gets cut, but until then the ridiculous things she says crack me up.

One thing I do like is Andy actually says stuff about the women, like, "I talked to X and she didn't have much to say." It seems like in previous seasons, you never knew how the bachelor felt about anyone.

Tina is so geeky and awkward to me! I like Tessa and Amber (though we didn't see her much this week). Everyone else is just OK. In the preview for next week, though, it looks like some drama is going down with Kate. Can't wait!

[jesvet]

I like Tessa, but that may be because she totally reminds me of Meredith from The Bachelorette and the infamous Bob Bachelor series.

[udsweetpea]

Did anyone else find it odd that Erin loved to race cars but didn't know how to drive stick but learned in .2 seconds?

[maplekitty]

I don't understand why he couldnt have just said "no I dont want to send either of them home" when he was on the 2 on 1 date. If this is *his* show, he should have the power to control how *his* life turns out, right? That just seemed so stupid to me. Couldnt he have just said, "sorry i like them both, and I want them both at the rose ceremony". ugh, these shows just bug me!!

With that said, I think Tina is smart but has no personality. She seems like the dorky kid in high school that has a crush on teh school jock, and freezes up when he comes near her locker! Seriously Tina, grow some balls and talk to him!
It was obvious on their time alone, that he was going to send Erin home. You could read the awkwardness all over his face! And then asking Amanda what her most romatnic date has ever been and she says their group date? OMG are you serious?? So sitting around competeing for the attention of a man with 12 other girls is the most romantic time you've ever had - barf!

And I thought I liked Bevin, but now I just think she's annoying.

My picks are Tessa, Danielle, and good Stephanie.

[j*east]

I don't understand why he couldnt have just said "no I dont want to send either of them home" when he was on the 2 on 1 date. If this is *his* show, he should have the power to control how *his* life turns out, right? That just seemed so stupid to me. Couldnt he have just said, "sorry i like them both, and I want them both at the rose ceremony". ugh, these shows just bug me!!

I know...but the whole thing is so contrived. Suffice it to say, the producers' aim is to make a popular TV show, not to marry off the bachelor in a healthy relationship. :rolleyes: If the bachelors actually had control, they would probably keep a lot of people around longer. But what's the fun in that? :)

udsweetpea, yes, that was odd! They built it up like she'd surprise us with her skills. ??

bluberry, I laughed at that too!

[cocopop]

I actually like this bachelor. He does seem cheesy at times but I feel like he's really genuine. He did cry when he said goodbye to Peyton. I think he honestly cares about people and doesn't want to see them hurt. I also don't think he's acting any more slimy than most other guys in the same situation would be. He's got all these beautiful women fighting for his attention. It would be a confidence booster for any guy.

Yep, I agree. He is officially winning me over. ;)

[KK812]

Article about the bachelor from military.com

http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,133280,00.html

Consider the source-not a lot of juicy questions-mostly "How the heck were you able to do this?"

[Rosebud]

Another article. This one is about the show and it's on CNN today.

What Does "The Bachelor" Say About Women? (http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/04/23/tv.thebachelorappeal.ap/index.html)

[KK812]

I am shocked, yet absolutely thrilled at his choices. I think he cut the last of the major drama queens, which may take away from the entertainment factor but I'm glad that Miss "Me and Andy really have something special...but why haven't I gotten anymore alone time? :confused: But I'm 90% sure I'm staying!" is gone.

I actually might like him a little more now.

[Rosebud]

I agree-- I respect him a little more after tonight's choices, too. Kate and Stephanie S.C. really needed to go.

I'm not sure I understand why Andy is so into Bevin. She's kind of a high drama basket case-- and she was before she got injured, too. But clearly, he's really into her. Unless there's something else going on that we're not being shown, it's all about Bevin right now.

My favorites at the moment are Tessa and Danielle. They both just seem nice.

[KristyK]

I just don't see the allure of Tina. Her mouth bugs me, and I think she's just really homely. I gues the "dr" thing, and her naivete is what attracts him to her. I'm so glad to see the drama queens go. What the heck was up with Kate? Telling outright lies?? I didn't get that at all! I am so glad he got rid of Steph SC too. Another drama queen. I think he's the first bachelor that actually realizes when women are being catty and gets rid of them. It's about time!

I'm pulling for Tessa and Danielle. Although I think Tessa is way too paranoid and I'm hoping that Danielle goes all the way. She's the only one that seems really genuine, and they look good together.

Can't wait for next week to see the final 4!

[myshel]

I've been following this thread and watching the show... Last night's show was an interesting one for me. I've read how some of people think Andy's cheesy, but I think he's a normal guy. The cheese factor only seems that way because he's on camera. We all know guys who have said the things he has in real life.

Unlike previous "Bachelors," Andy is revealing himself, probably dangerously, to the women. There doesn't seem to be an air of mystery about his feelings which is refreshing.

I was surprised at how many of the women I liked that he kept. That NEVER happens on this show. A few of his choices-- Danielle and Bevin-- puzzle me a bit, but I'm sure he has his reasons, just as he has his for keeping Tina (I love her, BTW. Asking Andy about himself during their alone time-- genius!).

[JenniferEC]

Andy did a good job last night. It does seem that he's really into the 6 girls that are left, so I don't get a vibe on who he might be really into. My choice would be Tessa, but it will be interesting who gets the hometown dates.

Stephanie and her hooker dress are more suited for Flavor of Love. So glad I won't have to see her again.

Bevin seemed pissed off at the RC and didn't even look at him when he called her name. She did play up the injured ankle and the crying tantrum was a bit much.

[udsweetpea]

I was shocked and relieved with who he kept. They all seem to be classy women from here on out. I'm not really favoring Amber anymore. Her behavior was annoying, but that could have all been editing.

[c'est la vie]

I'm pulling for Tessa and Bevin. It looks like they did "connect" on their alone time.
I didn't expect him to get rid of all the gossipers last night. That will not stop the drama, but the show might be less catty for now on.

[udsweetpea]

Nicole was confusing to me. I guess they never showed their alone time because she was saying she did get alone time with him and they really connected but she didn't know why she got kicked off. It didn't seem like they ever got one second alone together.

But I'll miss her. She was funny!

[Chris~n~Jen]

I'm happy at the women that Andy choose to stay. It does really seem like he is looking for someone who would be a good match for him and not just sexually. Makes me like him even more.

I'm glad they showed the alone time with Tina. I can understand more why he is keeping her. She is really trying hard to get to know him by asking really open questions unlike some of the other girls. She's also not getting into all the drama, which we know after last night, he doesn't like. I don't really think he'll pick her in the end but I can see why he is keeping her over some of the other girls.

I really, really like Tessa. I totally forget about Stephanie and Danielle. I guess they just don't stand out to me. I almost couldn't even remember their names and had to really think about it.

[bluberry]

I was surprised that the women devoted a majority of their "alone time" with Andy trash talking the other women. In all reality, they don't even know Andy that well! If I had limited time, I would try to figure out if I was into Andy, rather than waste my time telling him what so-and-so said.

The one thing that makes me think Tina doesn't have a real chance is that she's the only one left that hasn't been kissed! He may be intellectually attracted to her, but it's lacking on other levels.

[Koala_Gurl]

I agree! I still think it may be editing, but I finally feel like we even have a slight clue as to who he may pick. (Anyone else notice when he was talking to Stephanie SC on the slopes that her glasses were on in one second then off...so clearly the conversation wasn't as they showed it on TV...gotta love the editing to tell the story THEY want shown).

[QUOTE=udsweetpea;1315399]Nicole was confusing to me. I guess they never showed their alone time because she was saying she did get alone time with him and they really connected but she didn't know why she got kicked off. It didn't seem like they ever got one second alone together.

But I'll miss her. She was funny!

Yeah, I was wondering during what group date that she didn't talk to Andy did she develop a "connection!" LOL!

[ginastorm]

I was amazed at Bevin's miraculous recovery of her ankle during the rose ceremony. She didn't need her crutches or other people to help her walk without a limp to get her rose! Do I feel bad for her that she got hurt on national television, yes I do, but I also think that she was milking her injury for all it was worth.

[maplekitty]

I think it was pretty obvious that Nicole had no chance. Andy just seemed so uninterested in her and it was like this "little sister" trying to get attention from her older sister's bf.

[udsweetpea]

I was amazed at Bevin's miraculous recovery of her ankle during the rose ceremony. She didn't need her crutches or other people to help her walk without a limp to get her rose! Do I feel bad for her that she got hurt on national television, yes I do, but I also think that she was milking her injury for all it was worth.

Completely agree! She showed no signs of an injury at the rose ceremony.

[ambula704]

Ugh, I was watching last night and our local ABC affiliate lost the signal RIGHT before the rose ceremony!! I had no clue Stephanie didnt get a rose...did she cause any drama? I am so mad that I watched the whole thing and missed the ending!

Bevin gets on my nerves...shes sooo using this "injury" to get his attention. Lucky for her its working but its very childish in my opinion! I keep telling myself "He doesnt see what we see due to editing" but at least it sounds like he got rid of some of the bratty girls!

[udsweetpea]

Ugh, I was watching last night and our local ABC affiliate lost the signal RIGHT before the rose ceremony!! I had no clue Stephanie didnt get a rose...did she cause any drama? I am so mad that I watched the whole thing and missed the ending!


She actually left pretty calmly and didn't cause a scene. She thought she was leaving because she was trash talking the other jealous girls, and she was right!

[megc1]

Does anyone know what Nicole meant when she told Bevin to "carry it close"? She said it right after Bevin received her rose. :confused:

I thought Steph was weirdly calm when she didn't get a rose. The way she was talking with no real expression on her face seemed a little freaky/psycho/stalkerish to me.

[mmm0708]

Oh, I forgot about the "carry it close" comment. I was wondering, at the time, what that was all about. I have no idea.

[TazLuv]

After last night I'm ready for the tell all episode. ;)

[c'est la vie]

Oh, I forgot about the "carry it close" comment. I was wondering, at the time, what that was all about. I have no idea.
I can think of two things:
"carry it close"... or I'll steal it
OR
"carry it close"... because you don't deserve it. (She was badmouthing Bevin when she was picked for some ‘alone time’ in their group date. ;)

[j*east]

Oooh, I loved all the drama! I'm glad he ditched the drama queens, but I hope next week isn't too boring. :)

Bevin just doesn't seem very attractive to me, nor Danielle. I think Tessa and Stephanie are more attractive, but Tessa seems a bit needy and Stephanie is kind of a blank so far. Danielle is nice--I get a strong Jen Schefft vibe from her. That leaves...Tina and Amber. I am liking Tina more now as she seems the most down to earth, but I'm still getting a strong geeky vibe. I loved that she asked about the car and yacht (both of which aren't his). Ha!

Amber...I don't know. She does seem a bit overwrought. And over-made-up. Not my favorite these days...and I cringed when she said, "Andy and I's date." She's a teacher!

Rosebud, I read the article at that link. I totally forgot Jen Schefft was a Bachelorette. They said there were three--who was the third, besides Trista?

[Rosebud]

Rosebud, I read the article at that link. I totally forgot Jen Schefft was a Bachelorette. They said there were three--who was the third, besides Trista?

Meredith was the 3rd. :)

[ginastorm]

I loved how Tina asked him about his car too! She seems like such a sweet girl, but I just don't see any chemistry between her & Andy.

Does anyone else think that Andy looks like he'd be a bad kisser? It's just awkward to watch him kiss the women because he seems almost robotic. I'm just getting too caught up in the drama.

I'm looking forward to the "Women Tell All" episode too. Hopefully Kate will have to answer for her rumours. It really was quite mean to start such a rumour and then blame Tina for starting it.

[JenniferEC]

Bevin hasn't bothered me too much until tonight. STFU about age already! Being 28 does not make you more entitled to anything. I guess she doesn't realize that just by being on this show she's showing how desperate and needy she really is. I siwh the RC would hurry up and be on so she can NOT get a rose!

[KK812]

I actually like Amber but I LOL'd at her comment that "I'm more mature than any other 23 year old, ever!" Yes, and that's exemplified by the fact that you would actually make that comment!

I was really surprised by him keeping Danielle. She just doesn't seem to have much personality. I was expecting Bevin, Amber, Tessa, and Stephanie, but hoping that Tina would get to say. :(

[maplekitty]

I just can't stand Bevin anymore!

I really want to like Danielle more...we need to know more about her!

But my bet is Tessa! I'm on Team Tessa!! Andy just seems so enamored with her.

[Rose]

If Bevin doesn't want to date someone who is dating other people she shouldn't have signed upped for the show. She's annoying.

[kate's mom]

I am glad to hear that others are tired of Bevin too! She was driving me nuts last night.
Tessa is also bothering me with all of her talk about how she doesn'