Interpret my chart! [Archive]

lindybug

07-22-2005, 06:41 AM

Hi ladies,

I was thinking it might be useful to have a thread where we can ask/answer questions about charts... Not necessarily in the TTC w/charting or TTA threads. What do you think?

Even if the idea doesn't take off, I'll start with my own question...

This was my first month off BCP, and my first month charting. I was wondering if I could get some "expert" opinions on my chart:

http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/99db2/?i=573632&

I'm having trouble identifying different types of CM, so I know I have to work on that. Otherwise, how does this chart look? FF says I O'd on CD 15... Do you agree?

Thanks!

tlew12778

07-22-2005, 07:16 AM

I totally agree with FF based on your temps.

CM can be tricky. Just go with a gut instinct, best guess unti you get the hang of it. After a a few months you will get the hang of it. It helps if you check internally as you may get more of a pattern that way.

ETA: I'm actually curious as to why you have so many open circles in your LP. Did you adjust a lot of your temps?

BTB

07-22-2005, 07:23 AM

Did you adjust a lot of your temps?

IIRC, open circles mean the temp was taken more than 30 mins in either direction from the time entered for the first temp of the month. There's a different marker for adjusted temps, I think it's a triangle? Been so long since I had anything to chart.

Lindybug: I think FF is right on calling it at CD15, I agree and think you've got yourself one nice-lookin' chart. It's purty, with a nice, obvious biphasic pattern. I agree that CM gets easier and easier to interpret as you get used to paying attention to it. You're off to a great start!

bea_mama

07-22-2005, 08:12 AM

Thanks for starting this thread, b/c as of today I have a chart question.

Here's my chart:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/bea_mama/chart.bmp

Originally, FF was telling me that I ovulated on day 11, but after inputting my temperature this morning, it changed the O day to day 17. If it was day 11, we have a good chance of conceiving, not so much at day 17. My cycles have generally been in the 28 day range for the past few months, but this is my first month of charting all the way through.

I charted when TTC my DD, but my cycles were super long at that point - I had very messed up cycles for months after going off the pill. This time around, I've been much more consistent with having "normal" 28 day cycles.

What do you think?

ETA: Is that image too small or can you see it?

BTB

07-22-2005, 09:07 AM

I can see it well enough - not great, but it's ok. :)

I'd agree with the later O date. Ovulation can only be pinpointed by temperatures in retrospect, and FF takes 3 days to call it. On day 14 it looked good for being 3dpo out from a CD11 O, but as more days passed and temps climbed even higher later, days 12-17 can be interpreted as being in the same range as days 6-8 and thus still in a follicular phase.

Of course, the other possible interpretation is of a CD11 O with a CD 17 implantation dip and subsequent triphasic temps. How far off was your temp time on CDs 7 and 8, when you have open circles? And in which direction (early vs. late temping?)

Without recent prior charts to compare I'd suspect scenario 1 over scenario 2 but I hope I'm wrong. :)

tlew12778

07-22-2005, 09:09 AM

BTB - FF will give open circles so long as you put in enough abnormal circumstances. But you're right, it won't do it for temp adjustment unless you tell it to adjust your temps... I always did my own adjustment (although it gives an open circle since you temp at a diff. time anyway).

bea_mama - Have you been noting your CM as well? It's not on your chart. Based on temps I would feel more confident with CD17 bc you do not have the requisite 3 over 6 for CD11. Do you know when you normally O? I know you said you did not really chart in the past but perhaps you used something like the Billings Method? I kind of doubt you are an early O'er bc that would give you an abnormally long LP. Most LPs are around 12-14 days.

bea_mama

07-22-2005, 09:25 AM

:) Thanks for the responses!

BTB, CD 7 and 8 temperatures were about 30 min-1 hour later than my normal temp time (it was the weekend!). How much do you adjust with time? (I really need to go back and read TCOYF again).

tlew - I had watery or egg white (not that good at judging) CM on days 8 and 11, and not really any after that.

I also had spotting on CD 18 - what's that about?

Well, I'll hope that FF is wrong and that this is just a beautiful triphasic chart. I need to go back and check my charts from when I conceived Ava - I vaguely remember a triphasic chart, but that might just be wishful thinking on my part. If not, we'll just keep trying.

As a side note, I forgot how interesting charting is! :)

edited for spelling

BTB

07-22-2005, 09:38 AM

In the year that I charted, I never adjusted a single temp, I preferred not to. I just noted the time it was taken. IIRC TCOYF says time can alter temps by as much as 1/10 of a degree per half hour, but that's not a formula, as it's different for everyone. Some women don't notice a difference at all with different times, so unless you've got a lot of charting experience and a lot of old charts to set a precedent for how much time changes affect you, I would leave it be. Often a temp or two that's off really doesn't matter anyway - unless your questionable temp is right at O time, which for you doesn't look to be the case.

tlew12778

07-22-2005, 04:25 PM

I had watery or egg white (not that good at judging) CM on days 8 and 11, and not really any after that.

I also had spotting on CD 18 - what's that about?
Watery won't stretch. EW will. You can have poor quality EW that doesn't stretch the standard inch... it's better than nothing IMO. Regardless you are always supposed to note your most fertile CM if it's mixed.

If you are just off the BCP you can spot at any time. I spotted for almost two weeks straight after CD9. You can also spot due to O.

lindybug

07-22-2005, 05:04 PM

Thanks to those who offered their opinion on my chart! :)

tlew12778 ~ There are a lot of open circles on the second half of my chart, because I was waking up earlier then. DH (whose alarm goes off almost 2 hours before mine!) was away during the first half of my cycle, so I was sleeping later. I didn't adjust any temps. Now that I am more accustomed to charting though, I am going to try and always take my temp at the time DH's alarm does or would go off.

flygirl

07-23-2005, 01:10 PM

bea mama, I agree with btb's second analysis. Based on your CM & now spotting, I think you O'd CD11 & your temps are looking triphasic. The spotting along with the temp dip could indicate implantation.

Good luck!

lowcountrywed

07-26-2005, 07:36 AM

Can someone take a look at mine?
http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/c4aeb/?i=604617&

This may be a super silly question, but can you get your only +opk several days after you O? I'm thinking that I could easily draw a cover line at 97.2 (if I used the rule of Thumb on those two super high temps) and that would put me O'ing at CD14. I know I have a lot of open circles- this was my first cycle charting and I was having some sleep issues.

My +opk was one of the those half dark lines (so I'm thinking I could have been mistaken. It was definitely darker than any other days I tested. I didn't test the day after because I had run out of tests.

My CM is absolutely no help to me.

Thanks for your help!

tlew12778

07-26-2005, 01:27 PM

lowcountrywed On those sleepless nights, did you still temp at the same time but just enter restless sleep into FF? I noticed that sleepless nights don't really affect my temps at all (that's why I ask). If that's the case, I would not call O unless you see another high temp tomorrow. In this case, using the rule of thumb on CD14, I would say CL at 97.6 (although, I am used to temping in celsius so not sure if that is correct) with O on CD18. Is this your first cycle charting? If not, when is your average O?

ETA: You get a +OPK before O. But a +OPK does not guarantee O.

lowcountrywed

07-26-2005, 03:42 PM

Thanks, Tiffany. This is my first month charting. I think I just need more experience before I start trying to figure all this out. Hopefully my temp will be high tomorrow and stay high so I can confirm O. Thanks for you input.

Smillow

08-09-2005, 12:24 PM

I need help determining my O date as I need 7DPO bloodwork:

Donna's Chart (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/5b6f5)

I had a ridiculous number of +OPK's (used Answer - changing to Target next month) that I believe has confused FF...

TIA :)
Donna

ETA: chart link
ETS: Correct chart link

Scooter

08-09-2005, 12:28 PM

Donna, the img you posted isn't working (it just shows me my own chart). Can you just post the link to your chart?

Smillow

08-09-2005, 12:33 PM

I would if I knew how to - I wasn't able to locate instuctions for posting a chart or a link to a chart... I will keep looking.
Thanks, Donna

eta: I think I figures it out - please see above post.

eta: no, really I figured it out for real this time - please see my previous post! :p

Scooter

08-09-2005, 01:02 PM

You got it! :)

I'd say day 14. +OPK was the day before, day 14 is your last fertile day, and your temp rose on cd15. Looks like those 3 signs are all in agreement. I don't know why in the world FF would call it on cd11. The earlier +OPKs were probably either misread or you had an earlier surge. Sometimes you can have more than one surge in a cycle, but for one reason or another you don't ovulate after it.

The only thing to question is those open circles, if you took your temps at a very different time than normal, they could be off. But I doubt it would be off by that much, and at the same time matching up with the other signs, too. I'd say do your progesterone test on Thursday.

Smillow

08-09-2005, 01:14 PM

Thank you so much Scooter!
The only temp taken at a vastly different time was Saturday's (4:30 am!).

Would there be any harm in taking a 7DPO progesterone level 6DPO?

Last month's was low but no one at the Dr's bothered to call & inform me. I has an HSG & my husband had a SA and I was so focused on those that I didn't call the office until today and my progesterone was 7.5 or "lower than we like to see to sustain a pregnancy" and I am paranoid that I have a fertilized egg floating around that can't implant! :(

Scooter

08-09-2005, 05:07 PM

You're welcome. :) I would say that even without that one temp, chances are you O'd on cd14. The CM is a big clue, and the +OPK doesn't hurt either (although really those can be 2 days ahead of O. The difference is, you'd probably see that corresponding with the CM). If you're confirming whether you O'd, 6 vs 7dpo isn't a big deal. If you're trying to get a specific number to compare to other cycles, 7dpo is really important--like in your situation.

As far as worrying your embryo won't be able to implant, that's not really the function of progesterone. Progesterone helps by stopping the uterus from shedding its lining. That means if your embryo implants, the progesterone helps keep the lining there so the embryo can stick around. The only time progesterone would have an impact on the actual implantation, as far as I know, is if the number is so low that the lining is already beginning to break down. In that case, there could be very small amounts of blood present in the uterus, and exposure to blood can kill a fertilized egg. In that situation you'd probably see early spotting, or get AF within a couple of days--which is why spotting & short LPs are bad. HTH!

Smillow

08-09-2005, 08:12 PM

Bless you Scooter!

Thank you so much for that information! I don't spot at all in my luteal phase & my luteal phase has always been longer than 10 days. I can't tell you how much I appreciate you taking the time to pass along your knowledge!

Scooter

08-10-2005, 12:11 AM

Aw, Smillow, you're too nice. :) I'm glad I could help give you some peace of mind.

Hula1974

08-23-2005, 04:12 AM

My Chart (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/905ef)

Scooter

08-23-2005, 11:18 AM

Are you only temping or do you have any other information? CM, CP, OPKs, anything?

To be brutally honest, charting with only temperatures does not give you a very good idea of what's going on. At best, you can guess when O may have been, but you'll never know for sure and may be off by several days. For example, on your last chart you could have O'd on cd15 OR cd18, who can say? You really need other fertility signs to match them together with your temp pattern to make sense of it.

Hula1974

08-23-2005, 05:13 PM

Scooter Thanks for being honest!
Yes, mostly I just do temps unless CM is really obvious or easy to interpret. I have a tough time figuring out what kind it is. And I have never tried to check CP.
I had a lot of pain this month. I thought it was a cyst. Now I'm thinking it might have been O pain (though I have NEVER experienced it like this). The pain started Mon and lasted through Fri am, it was at it's strongest Thursday afternoon. On Wed. night I took a OPK and there was a line, not a dark one but a line. I took it again Thurs and Fri and it was very very light.
I'm mostly trying to see if the pain I had was O pain.

Scooter

08-24-2005, 09:27 AM

That could mean you O'd on Thursday--it makes me wonder though about your Wednesday temp. Any unusual circumstances with that one? Did you take Tylenol the day before, sleep hotter than usual, restless sleep, anything like that? Just looking for something to account for the high temp that day.

Hula1974

08-24-2005, 08:46 PM

Scooter Yeah, I had kinda a restless night Tuesday night. Stayed up a bit later than usual so I had less sleep than normal.

Scooter

08-24-2005, 10:40 PM

I bet if you entered the +OPK and took off the Wed. temp it would look like a Thursday O. (You probably missed the surge, but it was close to a positive. You may have only missed the surge by a half a day, really. You could always make notes about it so later you don't think this chart was exact.)

You may also want to think about getting a copy of TCOYF, because it has tons of pictures and descriptions of CM to help you identify it.

Hula1974

08-25-2005, 05:33 AM

Scooter Thanks!
Yes, I have the book but didn't retain everything from it yet. :o
Also, we were TTA.
Thanks for looking at my chart.

Scooter

08-25-2005, 09:39 AM

You don't have to necessarily memorize it all, but you may want to reread the CM stuff to memorize that part. If you're TTA it's even mroe important to know when you're Oing! If your temp spikes a bit and you think you O'd, but didn't, you could get pregnant when you think it's a safe time. OPKs can be helpful, but once you get in the habit of checking CM, I bet it'll be easy. Drinking lots of water helps increase CM, so that you can tell what kind it is more easily.

mb1197

04-20-2006, 07:11 AM

Can someone please look at my chart? I thought for sure that I was going to ovulate on CD14, but since then my temps have been up and down and up and down. I'm not sure what's going on and since this is my first cycle off BCP and charting I think I could use a little help understanding and also a little reasurance that things are ok.:(
TIA!

mb1197

04-20-2006, 07:12 AM

I suppose it would help if I posted the link to my chart huh? Here is is...
http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/126934

jennylou

04-20-2006, 07:13 AM

Well, in order to look at your charts, we need a link. :)

That said, it's not uncommon for the first few charts after BCP to be wonky, and it's nothing to get alarmed at. :)

ETA: I see your link now :), and I'll still stick with my original thought on post BCP charts. The good thing is other than that really, really low temp, your temps have been fairly stable. Keep on charting and hopefully you'll get those cross hairs soon. :)

mb1197

04-20-2006, 07:40 AM

Thanks for your response. I think I'm overly anxious about this whole thing. It's really the very first time I've ever paid attention to what my body does. For over 9 years I've taken a pill at the same time every day, gotten AF the same time every month and that's as much as I cared to know. Now I look at my chart every day and of course the worst goes through my head. I'm such a worrier!

Soulmate

04-20-2006, 04:16 PM

You have not ovulated yet and I would agree with jennylou that the first 3 or so cycles can be wacky...especially the CM. I remember the first cycle off BCP for me was pretty stressful because you hope and pray that your cycles will be normal and you'll ovulate.

Also ovulating on CD14 is a pretty big myth. Not many people ovulate so textbook like that. I often ovulated around CD19-23.

mb1197

04-21-2006, 08:39 AM

I think I just need to stop worrying so much. Here is today's chart: http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/126934
It does seem like my temps and CM are sort of all over the place.

jesseybell

04-21-2006, 02:04 PM

I was on BCP for 14 years (only going off a couple times for short periods of time). I didn't ovulate for the first 2 cycles, my cycles were longer than 28 days and I ovulated on Day 21. Charting is the best thing to do - sometimes it seems hard to keep it up but it is so worth it.You will learn wonders about your body.

mb1197

04-21-2006, 05:08 PM

I just want to thank all you ladies for putting my mind at ease. It's so great to have a place to come and vent my frustrations and fears. DH just doesn't "get it" like you guys do.:)

Tonysweetie

04-27-2006, 09:45 PM

I didn't know if this was the correct place to post this or not. But can someone help me with my chart. I'm CD32 and FF hasn't showed an O yet. I'm thinking I O'd on CD 30 which would've been Tuesday which puts me at 2DPO. Am I right? TIA! :D

honeygirl

04-27-2006, 10:07 PM

Hi Leslie, I think you need at least another 1-2 days of temps before we can tell if you O'd or not. Your last 2 temps are higher than the prior 7, but they aren't higher than the earlier part of your cycle. However, you do have EWCM and that's a good sign for O! :)

Time will tell.

Tonysweetie

04-27-2006, 10:12 PM

That's what I thought honeygirl. I usually just get anxious around O time. I don't know why really b/c we are not TTC nor TTA or anything I just like to know when to expect AF. :D

Abby'sMom

04-27-2006, 10:21 PM

Yep, you need a few more temps to tell. But, it looks to me like a pretty classic annovulatory cycle. Your current temps are still within the same range as they were a few weeks ago. Unless you see a bigger spike, I'd suspect no O yet.

jennylou

04-28-2006, 02:41 AM

Bumping for tonysweetie.

Tonysweetie

04-28-2006, 08:44 AM

THanks Jennylou! I came in here and was like "where my thread go." lol. Anyways thanks girls for replying. I put in my temp. today and it showed my O as of Tuesday whichi s what I thought. Hopefully it is right.

mb1197

04-29-2006, 05:31 AM

I really thought that today would have been the day that my chart would show I O'd, but it's not showing anything. I had a dip in CD 23 and have had three days of rising temp. What's going on?:confused:
http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/126934

Soulmate

04-29-2006, 06:35 AM

You have not Oed yet. Dips mean absolutely nothing and do not indicate you are about to O. Some women consistently show dips before O but you need a few cycles to see your pattern. Right now your coverline technically is 97.7 and you would need 3 temps above that line to call O. Honestly since you have pre-O temps way higher than that, I'd like to see you temps in the 98's to feel confident it is a good bi-phasic chart. If you are TTC, keep BDing. If you are TTA, don't stop using the condoms/abstaining just yet.

southerner

04-29-2006, 07:31 AM

You can tell that you haven't Oed b/c you need your temps to be higher than the previous six days (I think :confused: ) for three days to call it an O. Your chart has nothing on it that would make me expect to see an O today. Soulmate is right, for it to be an O, your temps will be need to be higher than 98. I know this is your first cycle charting and off BCP, so don't expect this to be the "norm." I'm on my fourth cycle charting and I'm still not seeing a pattern.

mb1197

04-29-2006, 08:02 AM

I guess I really misunderstood how to read my chart. I'm still very confused to be honest, and of course anxious even though I know everyone says not to be. We are TTC, but I'm not going to be disappointed if it doesn't happen this cycle. I guess I just wanted to make sure I could O first. I really need to go back and try to understand how to see the coverline, because I still don't get that either. Uggghhh!

Soulmate

04-29-2006, 08:53 AM

mb1197 Charting is very very difficult to understand at first and very anxiety ridden. I charted TTA at first and even then got really nervous waiting for O and wanting my cycles to be "normal". Add TTC on top of that and just learning how to chart can be a nightmare.

Figuring out the coverline on your own chart is hard at first because your wishes kinda get in the way (*really* wanting to O, etc). You make a coverline by simply drawing a horizontal line .1 degree above the highest of the past 6 temps. The highest of your past 6 temps is 97.6 so your coverline would be 97.7. You would adjust this line with each new temp (mentally). To say you Oed going off of your temps, you need 3 temps at least .1 degree above your coverline (97.8 or above). To add more confusion, what is considered a really strong ovulation would create a temp jump of at least .4 degrees (like your temp went from 97.6 today to 98.0). I added my crosshairs in FF by hand if you want an example (chart in sig).

Knowing that you are just off BCPs is very helpful. I am going to say this but to try to reduce your anxiety though at first read it may increase it. It is not at all uncommon to not ovulate your first cycles off BCPs. Your body is trying to understand what it is supposed to do now and for many women it takes some time. Now, looking at your chart, because your temps are somewhat erratic, you may have an annovulatory first cycle. I don't want that opinion to freak you out, only to help ease the day-to-day obsession I know all too well.

Inda

04-30-2006, 07:04 PM

I am so glad I found this thread! Someone want to take a look at my chart and tell me what you think about 6 DPO? Could it be an implantaation dip so soon? FF says that 'no sign of implantation have occured'.

Jess71903

04-30-2006, 08:13 PM

Hi ladies! I am currently taking a break from TTC charting, but I am still charting my CM and AF. Since going off BC, I have started spotting before AF (never did before BC, she just came on full force). My question is what to call spotting and what to call light AF...I am thinking my CD1 is off this cycle...

TIA!

mb1197

05-01-2006, 07:49 AM

You ladies have been really helpful. Thank you for taking the time to explain things. I had no idea that the coverline changes as you prgress through your cycle. That's an interesting one!

mkvh

05-01-2006, 10:24 AM

Inda--It COULD be the mythical implantation dip. It's possible for implantation to occur as early as 4 DPO, I believe. Or it could be a post-o estrogen surge. I usually get them. Or it just could be an outlying temp influenced by something environmental that you didn't note. Regardless, many non-pg charts have implantation dips, and maybe pg charts do not. You can check out the 2 charts in my sig to see the dips on both, one pg and one not.

jess--The rule is that the first day of AF is the first day of bright red flow. Usually, if it's not enough to fill a pad/tampon, then it's considered spotting. HTH!

jnshanna

05-02-2006, 11:13 PM

Thanks for the CL info, Soulmate. Somehow your explaination helped fill in the gaps in my brain. ;) And the CL is supposed to be consistent month to month, correct? I think this is my second annovulatory cycle (in 7 cycles) and I'm still learning things!

Inda

05-03-2006, 11:14 AM

So, I should have gotten my period today but instead my temp went up. I took a HPT and it was BFN. Any thoughts?

Janey

05-03-2006, 11:27 AM

To add more confusion, what is considered a really strong ovulation would create a temp jump of at least .4 degrees (like your temp went from 97.6 today to 98.0).

I have a question about strong ovulation. What does that mean, exactly? Is 'strong' just a "yep, you definitely ovulated and here's where it happened" thing? Or is it "Holy Moly - that egg was just shootin' out of that ovary!"

If a person does not have strong ovulations (not all of my ovulations have been big strong jumps), is there anything they can do about that? I suppose I'm asking about nutrition/vitamin type solutions rather than drugs.

jnshanna

05-03-2006, 12:23 PM

So, I should have gotten my period today but instead my temp went up. I took a HPT and it was BFN. Any thoughts?
http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/514df

Ah, the waiting game, Inda. ;) The temp increase could be a good thing but unfortunately the only way to know for sure is waiting. From looking at your old charts the longest LP you've had is 15 days. Since you're 13 DPO now I'd say give it a couple days and if AF still doesn't show, test again with FMU. It could just be too early to get a +. I really hope that is the case for you.

Interesting question, MrsHill. I'm curious too. :)

Felicity

05-03-2006, 12:55 PM

And the CL is supposed to be consistent month to month, correct?
I was just poking around looking for the answer this question! Does anyone know?

I'm on my third cycle of charting and I'm bored at work so I'm currently obsessing over my chart :) Not sure what is going on this month, but my coverline according to FF was very different from months one and two (98.2 month 1 & 97.4 month 2).

Janey

05-03-2006, 01:10 PM

And the CL is supposed to be consistent month to month, correct?

Because it is based on your last six tempeartures, your coverline will vary from month to month. In the past six cycles, mine has been drawn at 97.6, 97.4, 97.7, and 97.8. FWIW, drawing the coverline is probably the most confusing part about charting, to me. I'm glad I have software to help me sort it out.

Inda - I think it's a 'wait and see' for you.

Scooter

05-03-2006, 01:55 PM

And the CL is supposed to be consistent month to month, correct?

Because it is based on your last six tempeartures, your coverline will vary from month to month
Just wanted to jump in here and say your coverline should be about the same each month. Being based on your temparature range shouldn't change that fact. That's because if your hormones are steady & balanced, the temperature range should be the same each month, and therefore the coverline shouldn't vary by much from cycle to cycle.

Soulmate

05-03-2006, 04:30 PM

MrsHillI have a question about strong ovulation. What does that mean, exactly? Is 'strong' just a "yep, you definitely ovulated and here's where it happened" thing? Or is it "Holy Moly - that egg was just shootin' out of that ovary!"

If a person does not have strong ovulations (not all of my ovulations have been big strong jumps), is there anything they can do about that? I suppose I'm asking about nutrition/vitamin type solutions rather than drugs.Strong ovulation is hard to define. Since no one is looking at the specific egg that came out you cannot really say the egg was "strong" with a .4 degree temp jump. I guess it would fall more into the "yep, you definitely ovulated" category. Technically, strong ovulation = strong sturdy egg. You can only really tell if your ovulations are strong by a progesterone test (maybe estrogen too??). The higher the progesterone the stronger the ovulation. If you are not getting good temp jumps and your LP is on the shorter side (around 10 days) then you can ask for a progesterone test.

I have weaker ovulations and tried everything under the sun to help my progesterone. I would stay away from things like Fertility Blend or the other herbal "remedies". They can seriously mess up your cycles and are often not effective. Many of them people picked up on the FF boards and they came from a book called "the infertility cure" (though they've been passed down so much the origin has been lost). The infertility cure provides nutritional remedies based on accupuncture diagnoses. You should not self diagnose with this nor self treat. Honestly, the only non-drug remedy I found very very effective was acupuncture. After 16 TTC cycles and at least 1 miscarriage I got pregnant the first acupuncture cycle (there is a thread here all about it if you do a search) with a so far sticky baby. Some people found success with nutritional changes (B6, magnesium, reducing refined sugar from diet, etc).

Janey

05-04-2006, 01:54 PM

Scooter - thanks for the clarification. :)

Soulmate - Thanks for your response. My LPs have been on the short side of normal -- usually 11/12 days. I have a history of PCOS and am thrilled to see temp shifts at all. I was hoping that my slight shifts (I've had a few slight shifts and a few strong shifts) weren't a sign of my body saying: "I want to ovulate, but the fascia around my ovaries is still too thick to actually push an egg out." I suppose it is wait and see. Acupuncture is definitely something I would consider -- I will check out that thread.

Janey

05-05-2006, 11:39 AM

OK I have a question that sort of seems like a dumb one to me but I'm going to go with it anyway: Can you have a temp shift without actually ovulating?

I wrote a post on what happened to me yesterday (http://www.constantchatter.com/showpost.php?p=718550&postcount=549) in the Charting-To-Avoid thread. For additional background information - I was diagnosed with PCOS in 2003, lost a bunch of weight, and have been having what I believe to be fairly regular cycles since I've been off the pill in October. I am wondering if what I experienced yesterday were actually ovulation pains, and if that's so, does that mean I ovulated yesterday, three days into my temperature shift?

betsyboop

05-16-2006, 09:38 AM

Winter Biscuit

05-16-2006, 10:56 AM

betsyboop - I don't really know how to answer your question as this is my first cycle charting since I was last pregnant 3 years ago and I'm still referring to my trusted copy of TCOYF for a lot of stuff. Hopefully one of the other ladies will come and answer your question for you. A few questions that came to my mind when I read your post are: are you taking your temps at the same time every day? Is there anything that could be affecting your temps (e.g. are you getting several hours of uninterrupted sleep before taking your temp? Have you been sick? Are you taking your temp as soon as you wake up, before you move around?)

kiki61872

05-16-2006, 11:42 AM

I don't know if I should post my question here since I don't have a chart to post (I've just been doing it on graph paper- I'm so old school!) but I'm getting kind of worried and I'm not sure if it's warrented or not. This is my first month of charting and we're also TTCing. It all started out fine- my temps seemed normal and I was having no trouble identifying the various types of CM. But, after 3 days of EWCM (the most it ever stretched was about 1 inch), I have had 2 days of nothing and still no temperature rise:confused: What could this mean? Did I ovulate or not? Also, I could feel my cervix for a couple of days there, but now it's too high to reach, so those 2 signs point to an ovulation already occuring, but what's with my temps? Has this happened to anyone before? Should I just wait another day or 2 for the temp rise even if my CM has aready dried up? Help!

are you just off bcp? i read that you can have mulitple days of fertile cm but not O.

i charted when i had dd but i only did it one cycle. that cycle my temps rose a few days after i had O and it was gradual rising in temps too. i had expected to see a big jump and it didnt happen that way.

you could need a new BBT maybe?

sorry i dont have more information. i'm trying to figure this out too! GL

kiki61872

05-16-2006, 12:30 PM

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/7bf6a

here's my chart. do you guys think i O'ed? i dont have the rise but i have a little dip yesterday so i'm thinking maybe i did O yesterday - just from the dip and now the little rise?

guess i wont know for sure til the next few days?

betsyboop

05-16-2006, 01:24 PM

Thanks for the suggestions Winter Biscuit and kiki1872! I have been off the pill for about 2 1/2 years now and I do take my temp at roughly the same time each day with plenty of sleep, so I don't think either of those could be the problem. I am using a cheap-o thermometer that is about a year old, so maybe that's it... I also was sick with a bad cold and food poisoning during the first week of my cycle too, but not during the time with all the CM and when I expected the temp change. I also have been having really bad cold sore outbreaks for the last 6 months and recently got a Rx for Valtrex (a pill) and Zoverax (a cream) to help put the virus back into remission. I've taken 2 courses of Valtrex during this cycle and have used the Zoverax throughout. My doctor said that both are fine to use during pregnancy since I told her we were ttcing, but I didn't think to ask if they would make if more difficult to conceive... Hmm- anyone take either/both of thse drugs and know if they could be the issue?

kiki61872

05-16-2006, 01:36 PM

i wonder if its a possiblity that the virus is stressing your system?

try the new BBT too.

that happened to me and i picked up a new one and it seems to be working bette.r

kiki61872

08-11-2006, 06:09 AM

i hope this thread is somewhat still alive. i need some help with this chart ladies.

i'm completely belwildered.

i usually O about cd 21-22 but this month FF is saying earlier. I think they gave me dotted crosshairs for cd 17.

fyi - i took an OPK monday when i got home from work. i did get a faint second line - but i know that in order to be a + the line needed to be darker than what is was. i did another one the next morning and nothing.
did i miss my surge?

can you guys peek and let me know your thoughts?

Bucktown

08-11-2006, 10:31 AM

kiki Looks like you O'd to me! Your BD-ing was perfect too! I think that if you would have tested earlier--say around noon-- your OPK may have been darker. I have to test 2x's a day around my usual O date to be sure I don't miss it. Once between 11 & noon, then depending on that line again at 6pm. The last 4 months my 6 pm OPK has always been + when the 11 AM was *almost* ++.

mkvh

08-11-2006, 10:31 AM

kiki--It's hard to tell if you did O for sure, and if so when, because of the open circles on CD 18 and 19. It's possible you Od on CD 17, but you do have fertile CM on CD 18, so I would be inclined to say that you may have Od on CD18 or 19. Any of those 3 days would give you a CL in line with the 97.7 on your previous chart, and the temp on CD20 is in your post-O range (at least on the one chart we have for reference). Regardless, you should wait for 3 high undisturbed temps before 'giving up' on the BDing!

And FWIW, some women NEVER get a + OPK and still ovulate.

kiki61872

08-11-2006, 11:33 AM

jnshanna

09-15-2006, 09:39 AM

Calling all chart experts. ;) I need help!

I'm trying to figure out my chart for this month. I *think* I might have O'd!! I'm really excited about it because it's been months since that happened! The question is....when did I O and do you think I really did O?? I'll list my issue below that changes the interpretation of my chart.

1. I'm not sure about my temp on CD41. When I woke up it was really cold in my room and my temp was down to 96.8. I did the worst thing a charter should do and I decided to take my temp over and over again within a few minutes. In the end I had a temp of 97.7 two times in a row. So should I stick with teh 96.8 temp or the 97.7 temp?

2. If I list the temp as 97.7 it gives me an O day of CD34 but then my CL is only 97.4. Normal for me is 97.8.

3. If I list the temp as 96.8 it gives me an O day of CD41 and my CL is 97.6.

I really shouldn't obsess about it but I'm so anxious to know that I did indeed O that I can't help but obsess about my chart this cycle. So what do you all think? Do you think I did O? And if so what CD? TIA!! :)

tlew12778

09-15-2006, 10:19 AM

It's hard to say bc you are missing CM for most days. If I had to guess just based on temps and what little CM you have marked on your chart, I would say the current interpretation of CD41 is correct. Although, I would personally set your CL at 97.8, which would be more in line with your past CLs.

Do not change your temp. Take it once and just make notes.

jnshanna

09-15-2006, 11:32 AM

Thank you for your opinion, Tiffany. I've been pretty frustrated with TTC in general lately so I haven't been keeping up with marking CM. I only mark it if it's obvious. Thanks again. :)

amew

09-16-2006, 09:44 AM

I'm a charting newbie in need of help.

This is my first cycle off BCP. I have been trying to kind-of-sort-of chart, but this was a tough cycle for me to start charting because we were on vacation nine time zones away for 10 days. Between the time difference, jet lag, sleeping in, not wanting to worry about it on vacation, etc., I just ended up not temping during the first part of my cycle. But I have been keeping track of CM, and I started temping halfway through my cycle. I promise to do better next cycle. :) Anyway, I am trying to figure out if I O-ed. I think my CM pattern seems to indicate that I O-ed around CD 13 or 14, but I am wondering if my temps can support that. I got a few low temps on CD 20-22 and then my temp shot up again; I can’t figure out why that would have happened if I had already O-ed. Here are the details (I don’t have an actual chart, just notes on paper). Any thoughts? Today is CD 24 for me.

CM
Pretty much dry for the first few days after O
Sticky to watery days 8-10
Very obvious EWCM days 11-13, with a ton of EWCM on day 13
One day of creamy/lotiony on day 14
Dry to sticky every day since, with the exception of one day with lots of creamy CM on day 22

Temps
CD 13 – 98.0
CD 14 – forgot
CD 15 – 97.6
CD 16 – 98.3
CD 17 – 98.4
CD 18 – 98.6
CD 19 – 97.9
CD 20 – 97.8
CD 21 – 97.7
CD 22 – 97.8
CD 23 – 98.2
CD 24 – 98.3

I returned from vacation on CD 12 and therefore could have been jet-lagged for the few days following. I slept in later on CD 17 and 18.

So did I O mid-cycle? If so, why the low temps on days 19-22 and the creamy CM on day 22? Or is it just impossible to tell given my poor temp data?

tlew12778

09-18-2006, 03:04 AM

Are you inputting your data online anywhere? BC it's a little bit hard to visualize your chart this way. That's probably why you haven't hotten any responses yet.

Anyway, here is my take on it:
If you O'ed on CD13 (given EWCM and subsquent dry up) your temps should be above 98.0 throughout your LP. Your CL would be at least 98.1, assuming there is no O-dip, but since you did not temp before that, it is impossible to establish a CL. In any case, it would always be higher than your temp on your O day. You could call CD15 a fallback rise maybe, but that does not explain the lower temps on CDs19-22. Also, your temps on CD17 and 18 are actually lower if you adjust them since you slept in (you did not say by how many hours so I cannot adjust them in my head).

Wht have youre temps been since CD24? And did you get AF? BC if you o'ed around CD13, we'd be about 13DPO right now and you may have gotten AF by now (or are feeling like it is coming), unless you are TTC in which case you could test now.

amew

09-18-2006, 07:01 AM

Thanks for the input tlew. I entered all the info I have on ovusoft yesterday, here's the link: http://forums.ovusoft.com/chart.asp?id=amew

I am still confused. My temps are still wacky, and I had a little EWCM yesterday. I had terrible cramps Saturday night/Sunday morning (have been having cramps and breast tenderness for several days, actually) and was sure af would start, but it hasn't. I took a pregnancy test Sunday morning just in case and that was negative. I still really feel like af is going to show any minute but who knows. Based on my temps it seems like I haven't O-ed.

tlew12778

09-18-2006, 08:19 AM

Do you have OS adjusting your temps automatically? I assume so since your CD17-18 temps don't match what you said they were. Right now that chart looks anov to me the way it is.

Unfortunately I think this is just a wait and see situation bc of the missing temps in the first part of your cycle. Temp wise it's possible that you did indeed O mid-cycle and that your pre-O temps are in the low 97s but your CM does not support that. As for your recent CM, some women have CM right before AF. It's caused by an estrogen surge.

BrownEyedGirl

09-18-2006, 11:11 AM

amew I don't know if I can give you much help...but it doesn't look like there's been a shift, or much consistancy, so my best bet would be anov too.

Could someone take a look at my chart (in sig). FF doesn't show a coverline or ovulation, but my temps are so consistant lately that I'm wondering what's going on.

TIA!

amew

09-18-2006, 06:41 PM

Do you have OS adjusting your temps automatically?

Yes. Should I not? I wasn't sure.

Thanks for the help, tlew and BrownEyedGirl. I agree that it looks anov based on temps. But I totally feel like AF is coming anytime. I'll keep you guys posted (as I am sure you care very deeply about whether I get my period ;) ).

tlew12778

09-19-2006, 02:06 AM

browneyedgirl - what is your normal post-O range? Also, have you used OPKs in the past with success? The reason I ask is bc if you had not had the -OPK, I would wonder if that chart was showing thermal shift. However, your CM does not concide and it would make your post-O temps lower than your last chart... which is why I ask what your average is.

amew - My personal preference is to not adjust your temps and to just make notes. You can always adjust in hindsight if need be. Also, until you have charted a few cycles, you will not know if the standard .1F rule per half hour will work for you. It depends on your metabolism. OS is just assuming that rule for your body.

amew

09-20-2006, 06:44 PM

Update: AF showed today, on CD 29. Now I am thinking maybe I O-ed midcycle like my CM suggested but that my temp shift just wasn't apparent due to lack of pre-O temps and perhaps international travel. Does the fact that my period came "on time" (assuming O around day 13/14 like I originally thought) suggest that I did in fact O?

Thanks for all the advice! And tlew, thanks for the heads up re: adjusting temps as well. I am not going to have OS automatically adjust my temps this cycle.

tlew12778

09-21-2006, 02:01 AM

amew - I temp in celsius so I don't know what the average temps are for F. but I think tht high 97s is generally a post-O range. If this is the case, then you are probably right, you did O mid cycle and just missed the shift. However, it is possible to have an anov cycle and still get your period "on time".

BrownEyedGirl

09-21-2006, 09:02 AM

Sorry it took me so long.

what is your normal post-O range?
This is only my third cycle charting, but I would say it's probably about 97.9 +
Also, have you used OPKs in the past with success?
This is my first time using OPKs.

I haven't been tracking my CM that closely. I pretty much just write down when it seems to be thinner. Nothing really seems very fertile.

I suppose time will tell.

Thanks for your help!!!

tlew12778

09-21-2006, 09:38 AM

browneyedgirl - A couple of things:
1) If you aren't doing so already, you should check your CM internally. I think that for the first 18 months of charting, I did not really have EWCM that descended. I definitely had it internally though so it's worthwhile to check. Also take notice of the markings it leaves on your undies - if it's a circle it is watery or EWCM and you might just be missing if you don't check internally.
2) Be consistant about checking your CM especially since you first started charting.
3) It is very possible you O'ed but did not have a strong O. That would explain your -OPKs (not a strong enough LH surge) and your not-so-high temps, although I could draw a CL somewhere around 97.5-.6... the reason that FF is not giving you dotted crosshairs is bc of the missing temps, and lack of CM info.

Unfortunately this is a wait and see game for you at this point.

BrownEyedGirl

09-21-2006, 11:34 AM

I have started checking CM internally for about the past week/week and a half. Wish I would have done that a bit sooner. Of course I've been guzzling grapefruit juice like it's going out of style, so I was hoping to be swimming in EWCM. I suppose everyone is different.

I changed my chart to show an O at CD 16 (which would seem like a normal O date). If nothing changes I'll leave it like that for now...at least it gives me hope.

BTW...What does it mean if you don't have a strong O? Is it something that could be normal, or is it something that needs further investigation?

(I only have 4-6 mos. of trying before my doc wants to start me on fertility drugs...I have endometriosis and she doesn't want me off the pill for too long)

tlew12778

09-21-2006, 04:22 PM

It's normal. I think I read somewhere that it's your body's way of not promoting a pregnancy that cycle for some reason (an imperfect egg, non optimal healthy conditions, etc). Some people just have one weaker O every now and then.

jessesgirl

09-24-2006, 09:30 AM

Can someone please look at my chart and tell me if I've ovulated? FF thinks that I O'ed late, but I have this feeling that I didn't at all.

(When you look, I'll have some inconsistent waking times. Those are weekends when I woke late, but I've found that as long as I've been sleeping, my temps don't flucuate a whole lot no matter what time I wake.)

Thanks for any advice!

Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/15caa2)

Scooter

09-24-2006, 11:20 AM

FF likes the pre-O "dip," and tends to call an O if there's a dip like that. IT also likes to give low coverlines, although they don't always make sense. Unfortunately, it's not taking into account that the temps after the dip are no higher than the rest of your temp range. The only exception is this morning's temp, which is fairly high. Did you anything different last night, like drink or take Tylenol, or use an extra blanket? Drinking can make them higher, but the others only affect some people's BBT.

If you follow TCOYF's rules, your coverline should be 97.7, meaning the only temp that's above that is today's. And that just doesn't look likely for an O, seeing the CM pattern. You probably haven't O'd yet. :(

jessesgirl

09-24-2006, 03:28 PM

BrownEyedGirl

09-25-2006, 08:25 AM

It looks like I finally O'd on day 26. I have a feeling it may have been delayed due to dh and I always arguing about sex. Next cycle should be better...dh has changed his fear of getting pregnant into being excited to get pregnant.

So unless dh has super sperm, we're probably going to have to wait until next cycle.

Thanks for the help!!

alootikki

09-29-2006, 02:13 PM

This is my first cycle charting (and TTC) - and I need help interpreting what's going on so that I can figure out work travel for next week :o

My cycles tend to be within 28-31 days (although I have had 24 day cycles in the past 6 months, and my last cycle was a long 34 days, which I think was due to stress/big family events).

I started charting on CD6, which was the last day of my period. The issue is - on CD 11-14, I was traveling for work. I went from Eastern time to Mountain time (2 hours behind), had work stress, and to top it all off - I felt like I was coming down with a cold all week.

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/162b4c

Looking at CF alone, I would guess that O happened on CD 14 - it was very EW-like from CD11-13, and today on CD 15 it's all dried up.

I did try to take my temperature consistently even with the time zone differentials, but the chart looks very confusing to me. Is it just too early to tell about a thermal shift? Is it possible I haven't O-ed yet due to all the travel/stress, even though I had EWCF? I hate that I have to travel again next week - it was so frustrating to see all of that EWCF and know that DH was a good 8 hours away!

Any help would be much appreciated!

alootikki

09-29-2006, 02:20 PM

One more question - we DTD this morning just in case we could still catch the egg at 4:30 am (don't ask....DH has a crazy schedule). I was kind of half-asleep - but my temp afterwards was 96.9. The temp I recorded for today was 97.8 - when I woke up for real at 7:15 am. Is this correct?

katiems118

09-29-2006, 03:07 PM

My suggestion is to convert the times you took the temp from the time zone you were in to your home time zone, then at least all the temps would be consistent...that should help clear up the temps...

Temps ususally go up about .20 per half hour...so you can do some adjustments and see if that makes the chart easier to read...FF has a feature under data called Temperature corrector

tlew12778

09-30-2006, 05:33 AM

Actually, it's .1F every half hour, but each person is different and you can only use this formula is you know if works for your body.

Same thing with your temp this AM... some ppl need 3 hours of uninterrupted sleep, others don't. It depends what works for you. But yes, your temps would be higher the later you temp (but they would also be higher if they were messed up bc you DTD and temped less than 3 hrs later...).

So when you were away, you temped at the same time you would normally temp only at local time right? Like if you temp at 7AM at home, then you temped at 7AM while away? BC if that is the case, it is like temping 2 hours later at your home time (in this example, at 9AM). That would result in a higher temp (like when you sleep in). I am a little confused bc you have solid dots on CD11 and CD14... if you were away and dealing with time change, they would be open dots on FF.

We need more info basically. Well I do at least. If your higher temps are due to the time change, then it is possible that you o'ed but then you would also have a fallback rise (assuming CD14 is at your home temp time). Do you normally have fallback rises?

You will only be able to really tell in hindsight on this chart. Also, there is a lot of data missing from your last chart. What is your normal post-O range?

alootikki

09-30-2006, 07:37 AM

Thanks katiems and tlew - this is my first cycle of charting, so I don't know what my normal ranges would be. I made a new chart that adjusted the temps according to katie's .2 rule and assuming I woke up at the exact same time each day - it's the "July" cycle of my chart:

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/162b4c

When I say I took my temperature at the same time - I mean that since I would normally take it at 7 am eastern, I woke up at 5 am mountain time to temp. I woke up at home on CD11, and then was away the mornings of CD12,13 and 14.

I think you're right - this week just had too many wacky factors for a first-time chart, and I'm not sure it's going to be able to confirm the O. Unfortunately, just by CF, I think it happened while I was away - oh well.

tlew12778

09-30-2006, 07:49 AM

Well, it's really up to you, but given that you temped 2 hours earlier at what would have been your home time, I would not adjust. Furthermore, you should only adjust in hindsight and only so that you can establish some sort of pattern to interpret your chart (if one is not readily visible).

Also, if you look in the appendix of TCOYF, it says the correct adjustment is .2 for EVERY HOUR, therefore, .1F for every half hour. On your chart now, as you have it adjusted, you have wide swings in your temps.

alootikki

10-03-2006, 07:22 AM

Just to update - FF is now showing that I O-ed on CD14, which is totally corroborated by my CF and how I felt! I'm still a little disappointed that we probably missed the egg due to my travel, but glad to see that I did O, that the CF was in sync with that, and that charting really does tell you a lot about what's going on with your body!

alootikki

10-29-2006, 08:24 AM

Hi - what do you think of my chart this cycle? FF originally gave me a dotted line for O on CD13, then this morning amended it to CD15. My CF this cycle was totally confusing - I was swimming in EWCF as early as Day 10, but then didn't see as much as the cycle went on (could this be because of all the BD??).

Looking at the temps, Day13 still seems like the more plausible O-day - what do you think? Thanks!

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/162b4c

pugzy

11-03-2006, 12:43 PM

Could someone please look at my chart? Is cycle day 4 too early for an implantation dip?

Thanks!

[URL="http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/117bb2"]

mkvh

11-03-2006, 02:04 PM

First of all, FF has your coverline WAAAY too low. It should be around 97.9 which would move your O one day later. That dip at 3/4 DPO is probably a post-O estrogen surge, though it's not *technically* too early for an implant dip. Your LP temps do look a lot less rocky this cycle, so that's a good sign.

pugzy

11-03-2006, 04:06 PM

MKVH- Thank you for looking at my chart. Interesting, I had not thought of the idea that I may have O'ed the day after FF said I did. My CM seemed to have been drying up both of those days, so who knows? Oh well, all I can do now is wait!

Reenie

11-03-2006, 09:28 PM

alootiki It's a little hard to tell since you're missing CM info on CD 14, but since you have fertile CM on CD 13, I'd say that FF's estimate is probably accurate.

pugzy I agree with MKVH that your coverline is too low, and that CD 18 might have been your O date after all; remember that dry up happens pretty fast, and there are 24 hours in there that factor in...

Chelsea524

11-14-2006, 04:42 PM

Can someone look at my chart and see if you think I really did O. FF is saying I'm 17 dpo, but all tests are negative so I'm thinking thats off, I don't know what my normal LP is because this is my first cycle charting, but 17 days seems a little excessive. The two days that are both really low post O were days that I had the window open and no covers on, so it could be due to that, who knows.

ETA: CD 19 temp is missing because I had a fever

tlew12778

11-15-2006, 08:19 AM

Could be. But you need more CM data for the future. I actually would have set you CL higher and with a higher CL, that would not be a strong O.

tealynn

11-15-2006, 01:11 PM

FF called my O date on CD18, I moved it to 19 because of the EWCM and O spotting (I have it occasionally but not always) but my temp is already up at that point...so might it be CD 18? I also know you can have EWCM after Oing but it's the O spotting that made me think twice.

Also, FF had my CL at 98.3 which seems really high, most other cycles it's been around 97.8 or 97.9.

Thanks for any insight!

jessesgirl

11-15-2006, 01:36 PM

tealynn I would say the way you have it right now sounds about right, Oing sometime between CD 18 and 19. The rule of thumb is that ovulation happens the day before you see your thermal shift, so I would say you O'ed on CD 18. It is quite possible to still see a little fertile CM just after you O.

tealynn

11-15-2006, 02:10 PM

Thanks Jessesgirl! I think I'll post it in the charting thread too and see what other insight people have. There's definitely no shortage of opinions there! Not that it really matters...at this point, it's out of my hands. :rolleyes:

jessesgirl

11-15-2006, 02:35 PM

Understandable. I completely feel what you're saying about not being sure. Either way, it looks like you had your BD timing down pat, so that's a for sure and good thing!

2 Crazy Pugs

11-21-2006, 11:15 AM

Here is my chart. Thoughts?

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/168fad

jessesgirl

11-21-2006, 11:18 AM

2 Crazy Pugs It's quite possible that you haven't O'ed yet, but will be shortly. I would wait and see if your temps spike again in the next couple of days and adjust your chart from there.

j*east

11-22-2006, 08:09 AM

Hi all...

Weird chart this month. Please check out past months and see.

2 questions:
1. Did I O on CD16 (my feeling and history) or CD21 (FF's interpretation)? I know my temps are weird around CD19-21, but my dr. had me taking a medicine that messed with my sleep and had me feeling just plain weird. If I really didn't O until CD 21, my CL is much higher than usual. I know that's what the temps say--I just don't buy it.

2. When to possibly test? My temp is high for post-O and for CD28 or whatever I'm on now, and has been for over a week. Test sooner or later? Thoughts?

Thanks all. This is a wacko chart for me. :)

JFlo

11-22-2006, 10:00 AM

Hello All,

I have a question about my chart; however, I haven’t been charting on the computer, but on paper, so I’ll try my best to explain. It’s my first cycle off BCP…I had been on for 6 years prior. I have read TCOYF.

From CD9-CD14, my CM ranged from sticky/rubbery to creamy/lotiony, getting increasingly wet...but, I don’t think I ever had EWCM. My temps had been pretty consistent (97.3-97.5) from CD1-CD14. I also had cramping pain on my right side for a few days leading up to CD14. On CD15, my temp was 97.7, and my CM was drying up...I thought I O’ed. But, then today, my temp dropped back to 97.3 and no CM? The temp drop obviously means I didn’t O, but what was with all the other signs? Increasingly wet CM and ovulatory pain? Has anyone had a wacky first cycle off BCP like this? Any insight?

jessesgirl

11-22-2006, 04:37 PM

j*east I would say that FF is correct. To me, it looks like your body geared up to O and just never followed through so you Oed late. I had this a couple cycles ago too, though mine was for different reasons than yours. As far as testing goes, I would wait until you hit at least the day you know your LP might end. Since it's possible you Oed late, your LP will be pushed back but will still be the around the same length as your previous cycles.

JFlo if you click on my FF link in my signature, you will see that my first chart was my first cycle off BCP and it was wacky just as you're describing. It's hard for me to picture your chart just by you describing it, but it's normal to O late and see fertile CM at numerous times during the first few cycles off BCP. If you feel that you didn't O, I would just keep BDing (if you're TTC right now) until you do see that clear thermal shift that will let you know that you Oed. FWIW, when I Oed on my first cycle off BCP, I didn't see any fertile CM either.

j*east

11-23-2006, 05:10 AM

Thanks jessesgirl! I really appreciate you looking at my chart. I started spotting yesterday and my temp dropped, so I think AF is on the way, which would support the earlier O date. Who knows, though! I'll chalk it up to a weird cycle and move on. Thanks again!

mlfallis

11-23-2006, 07:03 AM

Anyone mind looking at my chart? It seems like for the second month in a row I have a second peak forming, any reason do you think? TIA
http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/ee6c5

emschwar

11-30-2006, 08:45 AM

Here's 2 charts of mine for this month. It was a weird month. FF and Ovusoft disagree about when I O'd and I don't know who to believe. If it matters, we were travelling right around O time and I was waking up 30 min - 1 hour earlier than usual each day.
ovusoft - http://forums.ovusoft.com/chart.asp?id=emschwar
FF - http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/163535

jessesgirl

11-30-2006, 09:40 AM

emschwar Based on your OPK and CM stats, I would say FF could be right, especially since you didn't record any CM after the fact. CM can tell you a lot when coupled alongside your temperatures everytime, not just when you're gearing up to O. By looking at your past cycle, it looks like you experience what FF calls a fallback rise, which your temps go up and then drop before climbing again after you O. By that pattern alone, I would definitely say that FF could be right.

FWIW, waking up about 30-60 min early shouldn't really have too much of an effect on your temps. It's still possible to see a pattern overtime, even if you aren't taking your temps the same time every day.

emschwar

11-30-2006, 10:35 AM

I got lazy about recording my CM. Honestly, I have ewcm almost every day of my cycle, from about 3 days after AF through to CD1. It's a little annoying.

mommy2maren

12-16-2006, 07:06 AM

hmmm, wanna check out my chart???

I got a + OPK, no thermal shift, and spotting......

am I just not going to ovulate this cycle???

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/14968f

Mystikal

12-16-2006, 10:08 AM

Looks like you may have ovulated yesterday...that's a nice jump you had this morning. :)

daisysue62

12-18-2006, 11:05 AM

Alrighty I think I need some help! The link to my chart is in my siggie, does it look like I *still* haven't o'd yet? I usually o between cd 18 and 22 and here I am on cd 25 and it doesn't look like I've o'd yet! This cycle is taking FOREVER...

mommy2maren

12-18-2006, 03:12 PM

daisysue62 - going by temps alone, it doesn't look it. It would be easier if there were CM charted as well to help give another indicator. Don't give up hope!

daisysue62

12-18-2006, 04:44 PM

mommy2maren - I haven't been tracking my cm on FF but it's still fertile cm, which leads me to believe that my temps aren't lying to me and I still haven't o'd...

Steve's Sweety

01-11-2007, 05:25 PM

Can I have some opinions on whether you think I o'ed on CD17 or CD19?
Or other, with explanation?

mlfallis

01-12-2007, 11:06 AM

OK need help please :D

I have been sick so it makes my chart hard to read. I changed the O method for calc to FM and it gave me O of day 12 CL 36.41, I then moved it to day 13. Day 13 I had a bad fever and FF won't even put my temp on the chart it was so high, just FYI.

Do you think Day 13 might be right? TIA

daisysue62

01-22-2007, 01:22 PM

mlfallis~ Your chart has the crosshairs at cd 16 and that looks right to me. Hope that helps :)

mlfallis

01-22-2007, 01:36 PM

Thanks daisysue, this cycle was a bit wacky with me being sick, actually still being sick.

dancn226

01-24-2007, 08:56 AM

Can somone help me with my chart. Just carious what everyone thinks???
http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1770da

I only missed one day, and that was CD 6 I was really sick. So, I didn't even get out of bed that day.

I am confused by the large jump on 2dpo? So, do I go off that one as for temps dropping or what? A little confused?!?!?

mlfallis

01-24-2007, 08:59 AM

You are where I was a few days ago, that is a good thing. Steady temps are good. The big jump could be for many reasons, DH might have disrupped your sleep a bit and you didn't know. You were getting sick and you body was trying to fight it. Unfortunately, all you can do is sit and wait, and boy does that suck. Good Luck.

Scooter

01-24-2007, 11:11 AM

I am confused by the large jump on 2dpo? So, do I go off that one as for temps dropping or what? A little confused?!?!?
Remember, you're looking at the big picture. What are your overall temps doing? They're pretty steady and all in the same range, which is a good thing. When they drop out of that range it's a sign AF is probably coming. Dropping to or below the coverline is the clearest sign of that. Dropping a few tenths of a degree isn't such a big deal--because you're looking at the big picture and not every little up and down jump. Hope that makes sense.

daisysue62

01-24-2007, 01:00 PM

Anyone want to take a gander at my chart and give a guess as to which day I o'd? I think I o'd on cd 18 or 19, but since I missed my temp on cd 18 it's hard to tell which day. Any insight would be much appreciated :)

mkvh

01-24-2007, 02:09 PM

dancn--Ditto what Scooter said. You're in the wait-and-see phase, unfortunately.

daisysue--I don't see anything conclusive for CD18 or 19 specifically. Sorry! At least you've got it narrowed down to a 2 day window. I used to miss ONE important temp nearly EVERY MONTH. It sucks. I would go with the later one just to keep my sanity.

daisysue62

01-25-2007, 08:48 AM

I'm pretty sure it was cd 18 or 19 because my temps after cd 20 are all usual post-o temps for me. My average o day has been cd 22 so it was earlier then I was expecting. However my o range since I've been charting has been from cd 18 to cd 26 which is a pretty wide range! I'm taking vitamin B6 this cycle to help lengthen my relatively short (11 day) luteal phase. I think it may have bumped my o up a bit.

mkvh

01-25-2007, 11:28 AM

Looks reasonable for either day, daisysue! Interesting that B6 may have moved up your O.

Annette

02-02-2007, 05:38 AM

Bumping.. Can someone help me?

I got 3 + tests during the week. Now I am somewhat worried and concerned because my temp is on a downward trend. Does this mean that I could miscarry? Am I ok as long as the temps remain above the coverline?? Anyone know? I'm at 16DPO but AF typically shows at 12dpo. I have a dr appt lined up for Tuesday. Thanks!

alootikki

02-02-2007, 07:24 AM

Annette - my pregnancy chart was similar with temps that were lower than the luteal phase "peak" temps, but were still above the coverline.

Although I did m/c later on, I brought that chart in to show my dr., and asked her if the lower temps were an indication that the hormone levels weren't high enough early on (and could have caused the m/c), and she said absolutely not! She said that temps are great to pinpoint ovulation, but can fluctuate afterwards, and does not indicate a problem.

You might want to stop charting at this point - it may just drive you too crazy!

Annette

02-02-2007, 05:21 PM

alootikki-Thats good news to hear. My DH agrees with you in that I should stop temping.

Steve's Sweety

02-05-2007, 03:41 PM

Just wondering how many of you have had an almost flat temp span after ovulation, and if it meant anything? (Like, that you were pregnant) :D

I did a search on FF and it was pretty split, but it's just such a weird thing to see on my chart, something that has never happened before, though last month it was like that for just the 1st 5 days.

ETA: Never mind, big temp drop this morning so I'm sure AF is on her way.

karabear0117

02-06-2007, 05:14 PM

I just have one question about my chart this is actually my 4th off bcp but the first I've used an online chart. FF seems to have my CL at 97.7 this cycle. On my actual hand-written chart I have it at 97.9? I know it's only .2 degrees I'm just curious if I'm doing something wrong or not?
http://www.fertilityfriend.com/ttc/index.php

FallingforPhil

02-13-2007, 06:39 AM

Can someone decode this for me? I'm utterly confused, especially after last month's seemingly perfect chart...I'm pretty sure that I didn't O on CD9, though. I'm a 28-30 day kind of girl, both before and after coming off the pill (off since June).

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/17d7fe

ETA: On CD 10, I split a bottle of wine with DH before going to bed, which may account for the high temp... :o

lil_geek

02-13-2007, 07:30 AM

For me, the wine would do it for CD 10... but anything else out of whack for CD 11 and 12? Did you sleep with and extra bleanket, more clothes (Imy temps have been higher in general this month cause it's freezing out and I've slept with an extra layer on), toss and turn for a bit before you woke up?

If there is a reason for those temps to be higher and you ignore them.. you look more like an O at CD 13/14 which would be more in your norm.

NOTE: I have only been charting 5 months so PLEASE feel free to comment on my thoughts!!

Scooter

02-13-2007, 09:37 AM

Last month your coverline should have been at 97.4, if you go by the TCOYF coverline rules. (FF often makes weird coverline choices.) The coverline should be pretty consistent, so it may help you if you look at your current chart imagining that same 97.4 coverline.

People have the same temp ranges before and after O from month to month. So last cycle your pre-O temps were 96.8-97.3 (pretty low, actually) and post-O was 97.6-98.4 (average tends to be 97.8 and up). I would be looking for those temp ranges on your chart if you'd ovulated.

For all those reasons, cd17 is looking most likely for an O at this point.

tlew12778

02-13-2007, 09:37 AM

Hey FFP! Long time no see! What's your normal post-O range? I don't agree with your last chart BTW. Your CL is too low. Are you checking your CM internally? It's odd that you don't have EW.

FallingforPhil

02-13-2007, 09:50 AM

Thanks for the thoughts, ladies.

In response to questions:
The weather here has been ridiculously.cold. Like, wind chills -25 and below. But, I've avoided adding any extra blankets, etc. Tossing and turning is a definite possibility--I've been fighting a cold since last Sunday.

Scooter-I was confused about the coverline, too--I thought it was .1 above, so it makes sense that 97.4 would be the coverline for last month.

tlew-I wondered if you'd come by! Honestly, I didn't really want to chart, but DH suggested it, and I decided I'd give it a try after using OPKs for a few months and never getting a +. So, I have no idea what my normal range is. No EWCM here, and to be completely honest, I'm just not loving the idea of checking internally.

I think I should have stuck to my guns and not charted...it's far too stressful.

lil_geek

03-01-2007, 06:30 AM

ivory

03-04-2007, 02:24 PM

I am waiting to O, so today's temp is key. I've never had something like this happen, so I really need some help! (chart in sig)

Background:
- I normally temp at erratic times, and still my chart has shown clear patterns.
- I should be Oing about now
- CM: not sure because of BDing, but it seems dryer today, and even seemed dryer last night.

2:20: Awoke but did not temp
4:15: 97.0
7:00: 97.0
9:10: 97.7

Question: Could I have Oed yesterday or overnight and the temp shift kicked in between 7:00 & 9:00?
I realize the last temp was later morning and I wasn't asleep 3 hours, but .7 is a big jump. I am really hoping I Oed, so I need some objective opinions. Thanks!!

flygirl

03-04-2007, 02:43 PM

Right around when I O & for about a week afterward, my temps do just that: they jump significantly after a certain time in the morning (yeah, I've done the multiple-temping thing a few too many times). Over the years I've realized that for me, the early temp is usually the most accurate. I know you don't want to hear this, but the only thing you can do is wait out the next 3 days and see what your temps do. And don't stop BDing. ;)

tlew12778

03-05-2007, 02:26 AM

This has been a whacked out cycle for me.....

My Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/15c0db)

When I put in my temp on day 36 it gave me hash lines for O on day 29... maybe a little early but I have EWCM (very little - but I never have much/any). When I put in todays (day 38) it changed my O to day 35. I don't think I had any CM over the weekend, and the only 'sign' would be my breasts are tender.! Since you are avoiding, I would go with CD35 to be safe. Sometimes CM just does not line up. It can depend greatly on your diet and if you are taking any meds.

Background:
- I normally temp at erratic times, and still my chart has shown clear patterns.
- I should be Oing about now
- CM: not sure because of BDing, but it seems dryer today, and even seemed dryer last night.

2:20: Awoke but did not temp
4:15: 97.0
7:00: 97.0
9:10: 97.7

Question: Could I have Oed yesterday or overnight and the temp shift kicked in between 7:00 & 9:00?
I realize the last temp was later morning and I wasn't asleep 3 hours, but .7 is a big jump. I am really hoping I Oed, so I need some objective opinions. Thanks!!
Have you tried adjusting your temps ever? You sort of have to see what works for you but I think the rule in Fahrenheit (sorry I temp in Celsius so I can't remember for sure) is something like .1F for ever half hour difference. The earlier you wake up the lower your temp is.

Steve's Sweety

03-05-2007, 11:12 AM

ivory -
I agree with kee-cat. For now use the lower temp and keep BD'ing. :)
You know I'm cheering you on!

Steve's Sweety

03-05-2007, 11:35 AM

Anyone want to weigh in on my chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/16f08)?

I really want to be PG again but do want to hear that I should expect AF if that's really what you think.
I'm just trying to figure out the dip-rise-dip but not down to coverline thing.
My usual LP is 9-11 days.

ivory

03-05-2007, 05:33 PM

Thank you for the replies!

kee-cat & Steve's Sweety - You're right. I guess it was totally wishful thinking on my part. I definitely didn't O yet yesterday.

tlew12778 - If I do the adjustment, the high temp does make more sense. I haven't tried the temp adjustments before, because even though I wake inconsistently, in the year I've charted, my O has been pretty clear each time--so I've left well enoguh alone I guess.

tlew12778

03-06-2007, 02:09 AM

Steve's Sweety

03-06-2007, 12:33 PM

Sometimes you can get an estrogen surge before AF. That would explain the temp dip.I did not know this. They should write that in their studies about implantation dips on FF. :rolleyes:

Thanks for the explanation.

Steve's Sweety

03-07-2007, 10:24 AM

I have no clue what is going on.

I am pretty sure I o'ed, (even though my temps were low - that is typical for me) but FF took it away today when I entered my temp, and I'm assuming, on the fact that AF has not yet arrived.

If I change the detector back to Fertility Awareness, it puts my o back, and on cd 13, but that would mean I'm 14DPO today and I've never gotten to 14DPO, and only once to 13DPO.

I would say that those days of spotting could have been AF but they were so light they never even made it to a liner and my AF is usually quite heavy and long.

So other than that, I don't know what there is? :confused:

ADSigMel

03-07-2007, 11:11 AM

Tish, if I had to hazard a guess, I'd say AF would be arriving today. I think you did O on CD13.

Steve's Sweety

03-09-2007, 10:59 AM

Thanks, you were right, guess the advanced detector just didn't like my low temps.

JLRenheos

03-22-2007, 05:06 PM

Could you take a look at my chart please~ What day would've been my O day?-Sat. or Sun.? I'm already feeling some FPS. ;)

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1297e

kemaji

03-22-2007, 08:14 PM

Based on your temps, I'd say Sunday. Do you often get fertile quality CM after your O?

flygirl

03-23-2007, 11:02 AM

Have you charted before? Since this is your only chart in FF, it's impossible to tell what your normal patterns are. Off the cuff, I think FF is right in calling it on Tuesday.

As for FPS, don't forget that symptoms don't start prior to implantation, which is normally anywhere from 7-12 DPO. I know it's hard, but reminding yourself of that will help you keep your sanity during the first half of the 2ww :).

FWIW, this past conception cycle, I had FPS (nausea, insomnia, random cramping) from the beginning of the cycle! Absolutely nothing changed during the 2ww so I was convinced I wasn't pg.

JLRenheos

03-23-2007, 11:12 AM

kemaji I had stretch CM before O. I added another high temp to my chart today & your right, it said that I had Oed on Tuesday.

flygirl I have never charted before & I'm really new at this. We started ttc this month & I was supposed to SWH, but I couldn't resist buying a BBT when I bought a HPT last week or so and that's when I just decided to try charting!
I do have very irreg. cycles & have taken Provera to help induce AF. I had AF in Jan., no AF in Feb. and then all of a sudden, AF came on Wed., March 7th.
As far as FPS, I'm having major hot flashes in the middle of the night, sore/dry throat, getting up in the middle of the night to use the restroom & I have a stuffy/runny nose. I can't forget about mentioning that my bbs are starting to get sore/tender.

kemaji & flygirl I've added another temp. to my chart from this morning. I took it about 25 min. later than usual, but it still read high. What do you think now?

kemaji

03-23-2007, 11:40 AM

I'd say you O'd. The rule of thumb to call O is 3 temps at least .1 degree higher than the 6 previous temps and a CM dry up means you've O'd, which is what we see in your chart.

Even if you were to adjust your temp for taking it later, you would only adjust it down .1 degree and that still looks like a post-O temp to me. The rule to adjust "disturbed" temps that were taken at any time other than your normal time is .1 degree for every 30 mins. Adjust your temp higher if you take it later than normal, adjust it lower if you take it earlier than normal. Does that makes sense?

JLRenheos

03-23-2007, 03:50 PM

kemajithanks for the useful info.! I'm a newbie at this. I hope we got the Bding just right!

flygirl

03-23-2007, 04:24 PM

JLR ~ It's exciting to see your first chart actually make sense :). Your BDing schedule was fine.

Just a reminder, you'll save yourself a lot of grief & stress if you keep in mind that it's impossible to feel any real PS yet. You should still track how you feel, however, to help you identify differences between cycles.

JLRenheos

03-24-2007, 01:58 PM

kemaji & flygirl I've updated my FF chart. What do you think now? It looks like I Oed on Sat. March 17th, rather than on Sunday or on Tues, March 20 from when I had some wrong info. listed. sorry for the confusion.
I had several diff. ttc cycle start dates & I corrected it. This is my first month/cycle of ttcing.

I had a slight temp. drop this morning & I'm having some more cramping again today. I had some Major cramping going on the other day to. My CM seems to be creamy today. It's almost like a lotion consistency,white. It's not pasty. Both of my BBs are slightly tender/sore. My throat is dry and has been for awhile now & I've been getting these hot flashes in the middle of the night & it's waking me up.
~thanks.

kemaji

03-24-2007, 03:19 PM

With the information you have in your chart, I like CD12 as your O day, with a cover line of 97.4. Remember, when determining O, you want 3 temps higher than the previous 6. Your coverline is drawn .1 degree higher than the highest of the previous 6. At this point, it's just a wait and see...you're only at 6 DPO and you'll probably want to wait until at the very least 10 DPO before you start testing. I hope your temps stay high!

flygirl

03-24-2007, 06:19 PM

The 3-over-6 rule from TCOYF would determine, as kemaji said, an on CD12 with a CL of 97.4. Didn't you note fertile CM after CD12 before? The way the chart looks now, your CM pattern also supports a CD12 O, but make sure you don't arbitrarily change information to get your chart to show what you want it to. That will do yourself a great disservice in learning about your body & fertility & completely defeats the purpose of charting. I'm telling you this because I messed around with a few of my TTC charts (even after charting TTA for 2 years!) and I ended up big-time kicking myself later when I tried to look back for patterns.

If you did O CD12 and today is 7 DPO, the creamy CM is completely normal. Most women experience a slight estrogen surge mid-way through their LP, sometimes causing a slight temp drop and increase in CM.

Also, don't forget not to get worked up over FPS :). This is your first cycle paying attention & you're going to drive yourself crazy wondering what's different this time. It's impossible to feel any of the *real* pregnancy symptoms until after an embryo implants & produces hCG. Prior to that, the achy bbs, dry throat, hot flashes, etc are due to an increase in progesterone and a decrease in estrogen. It's like micro-menopause. What you're experiencing now is the same thing you've experienced during most of your LPs, only you never paid attention before :p.

Crystal_Orchid

03-25-2007, 10:14 AM

What do you all think of this chart?

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/198714

flygirl

03-25-2007, 10:33 AM

What exactly are you asking about? It looks pretty textbook :).

JLRenheos

03-25-2007, 11:28 AM

kemaji & flygirl thank you so much for all of your help & info. on charting.:) On cd 12, I noted that my CP was closed. I also noted that I was crampy?, but my cm felt wet. I dunno.
I haven't changed any of my notes, but the only thing that I changed was that I had 3 diff. cycles having 3 diff. start dates. I had to go back & correct it. I had 2* other start dates that were completely wrong, so I had to go back & delete them, except for the 3/7 date. My bad.
I guess I'm just a little excited.

I'm leaving for vacation in just a few days, am I still supposed to take my temp at the reg. time, even though I'll be in a diff. time zone?

kemaji~thanks, I hope they stay high too!

flygirl

03-25-2007, 12:37 PM

I *totally* understand the excitement :D. I was so darn excited that my first chart actually followed the rules!

I still think a CD12 O is still the most probable. FF is always looking for a pre-O dip, which is why it's now calling CD11. I honestly think that's too early. As I said above, a dry-up any time between 2 days before O to 2 days after O is very normal, so the fact that you noted a closed cervix on CD12 doesn't mean you'd already O'd.

How long are your cycles normally?

JLRenheos

03-25-2007, 02:54 PM

flygirlhonestly, I don't know. My Afs are so irregular. I do have pcos. My last AF was in Jan.. I skipped the month of Feb. I do keep track of when I get my af though & have kept track from last year. I could go months w/o AF or could be normal for months at a time. Hopefully this IS the month, but if not, I'll move on & I'm o.k. with that.

Crystal_Orchid

03-26-2007, 10:34 PM

I guess I am looking to see if it's looking good this month for a possible pregnancy. The dip in temperature on 5 DPO seems like probably not?

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/198714

flygirl

03-26-2007, 11:04 PM

Crystal ~ It's really impossible to tell :). Like I said, it looks pretty textbook in that you show a definite O. Having looked at thousands & thousands of charts (literally; it's scary when you've spent four years in charting threads & hours looking at the FF chart gallery), the best I can tell you is that there is no such thing as a "perfect" pg chart. We like to talk about "higher temps," triphasic temps, implantation dips, etc, but they're common enough on non-pg charts, too.

For example, most women have a slight estrogen surge half-way through their LP, resulting in a temp dip. On a chart, it is literally indistinguishable from an implantation dip. And heck, I had a higher percentage of triphasic charts when I was TTA than when I was TTC!

Remember, too, that your body will not start exhibiting any pg-symptoms until after implantation, usually 7-10 DPO. A lot of women talk about their symptoms prior to this, but it's simply impossible without an implanted embryo producing hCG (followed by an increase in both estrogen & progesterone). This doesn't mean they're not noticing things; they're noticing the affects of normally elevated progesterone during the LP. When you haven't closely monitored something before, you really can't tell what's different.

My point is, your chart also will not reflect any pg changes until after implantation, so the only thing you can expect from your chart right now is to show you've O'd. Which it does nicely :). Also, even if this were next week, and we were looking at a full chart, it's impossible to know what's "different" without a charting history.

Anyway, I'm sorry if that made absolutely no sense. I have absolutely no business being up this late.:o

Crystal_Orchid

03-27-2007, 12:43 AM

thanks Jen. This is my first time charting so I am a bit of a newbie. I know what you say is right, and perhaps I am searching for that glimmer of hope in the 2WW period. Thanks for answering my question. What am I doing up this late?

JLRenheos

03-27-2007, 11:13 AM

flygirl What do you think of my chart now, since I've added a few more temps. to my chart since the last time. I took a test this a.m. & I know, it was waay to premature, but I'm anxious and I got a BFN. I'll be re-testing later in about 4-5 days, while on vacation.

Steve's Sweety

03-28-2007, 08:56 AM

When do you think I o'ed?

I ask because if I change the detector on FF from FAM to advanced, it moves my o from CD11 to CD14. Also, I d/l the trial of Ovusoft and it calls it on CD14 also.
And...I didn't get a +OPK, before CD11 but I stopped taking them after the temp rise because my CM had already dried up and my cervix was closing and going back down so I was sure I had o'ed already.

Thoughts?

This was my first time using OPK's.

TIA!

flygirl

03-28-2007, 09:11 AM

JLR ~ So far, so good! Remember it's hard when you don't have any past charts to compare it to, since you don't know how long your LP is, and this temp pattern could be your normal pattern. Your BD schedule looks good, too. If there's a next time, don't be afraid to BD every day. There's a good explanation in this thread: How often to BD? (http://www.constantchatter.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29872)

SS ~ On your previous chats, what are your cover lines, and what days did you O? Try imputing past cycles into OS & see how it calls your O. Based on CM, FF looks right. The problems are that it's a very early O and your CL is much lower than your other CL.

JLRenheos

03-28-2007, 12:10 PM

flygirl ~thanks! I'm getting used to this charting thing. I'm going to try & keep this up. I even brought my bbt w/me on vacation & temped. as close as I could to my reg. time. I've been keeping my FF chart updated. I'll keep you posted!

Annette

03-29-2007, 05:42 AM

Can someone please look at my chart to see if I O'd? This is my first cycle just after my m/c. We are TTA right now. I've been playing around with the temps and still get no O line. Should I add in the flyer point from CD23?

kemaji

03-29-2007, 07:23 AM

To me, it looks as if you O'd, probably on CD20 or 21. I'd like to see a couple more high temps just to be sure, though. Even with that temp on CD23, I think you're still okay as it is still above your other low temps.

Steve's Sweety

03-29-2007, 09:28 AM

SS ~ On your previous chats, what are your cover lines, and what days did you O? Try imputing past cycles into OS & see how it calls your O. Based on CM, FF looks right. The problems are that it's a very early O and your CL is much lower than your other CL.Thanks for the input.
See, that's kind of the thing - these last 2 cycles have been quite different. I think it's my body finally getting itself straightened out/changed after my m/c. Prior to my m/c I used to O around CD19, but after my m/c the first few cycles it was more like CD16, then last month it changed again to even earlier (CD13). My CL has actually been either 97 or 97.1 for the last 4 cycles.
And a side note - Even my LP has changed pretty dramatically. It used to be about 10 days and since my m/c it has been (respectively) 9, 11, 13 & last month it was 14.

flygirl

03-29-2007, 11:04 AM

Annette ~ The reason FF's not calling it is because you don't have three consecutive temps before or after your probably O. It won't call it this cycle so you'll have to input it manually. You've O'd on your Peak Day (last day of fertile CM) on two of the three cycles, so I think you most likely O'd on CD20 with a cover line of 97.7 (based also on those two cycles).

SS ~ That's a tough one, but based on what you wrote, I'd go with FF. I'm guessing that if you input all your previous cycles into OS, it will call CD11 also. Was your O definite in your previous cycles? It's always possible that rather than an earlier O & longer LP, you are simply having weaker Os.

JLRenheos

03-30-2007, 09:27 PM

flygirl Could my .4 of a temp. drop today be due to Implantation??? I re-read back a few pages & it said that implantation could happen from anywhere between 7-12 dpo. I wonder if I ~still~ have any glimmer of hope for this cycle. My Af isn't due till 4/7. My bbs are killing me & have been like this now for almost 2 weeks. I can't imagine them still hurting me by the time my af comes; that is, if AF does come on it's own. By then my bbs will have been hurting me for almost 3 weeks total. uugh.
I did test this morning with fmu with a FRER test & it was a BFN .

What do you think now? I wonder if my af is on it's way. Sigh.

update: AF is here today (3/31-Sat.). Back to cd #1

flygirl How do I determine my LP now, now that I'm on to the next cycle?

Sue

03-31-2007, 08:57 AM

I am a bit confused with this months chart... I think I O'd on CD8, according to CM although my previous temps were not as low as usual. OS called O on CD14 according to temp. Last month I O'd pretty early, I had been averaging around CD10-CD12. Not sure if I should adjust O for this month or leave it when OS called it. I haven't been sleeping with any heat on for a little bit, so I don't know if that affected my temps at all.

JLRenheos sorry about AF showing up. Good luck next cycle!

dancn226

04-11-2007, 09:45 AM

Can I please get some help with my chart. I feel like my temps are all over the place! Anyone have any feelings on it...The more imput the better....:) TIA (oh you should be able to click the link in my sign. block at the bottom)

kemaji

04-11-2007, 10:17 AM

dancn -- What is your question? Your chart shows a clear temp shift and dry up. I agree with FF's O date.

Scooter

04-11-2007, 10:24 AM

Dancn, your chart looks great, just like Kemaji said. You may be making a common mistake when you look at it--a lot of people think the temps moving up and down like that is erratic, but that's why it's really important to step back and look at the pattern as a whole, instead of focusing on each temp. All your pre-O temps are below the coverline, and all your post-O temps are nicely above, so that's the thing to focus on. On 7dpo there was a temp drop, which happens on some charts as you have an estrogen surge (usually around 7 or 8dpo). It's often referred to as an "implantation dip" although that's debatable and having one on your chart doesn't mean implantation happened that day or that you're even pregnant. Good luck!

lilmomma

04-13-2007, 07:51 AM

Hi. I am a newbie to charting and started on cd 14 because that is when I got my thermometer. Anyway, today is cd23 and my temp this am was 96.9. Up til now I was 97.5-97.7. I am hoping that this is the temp drop associated with ovulation. I dont think that I ovualted before cd 14 because my temps were so low. Anyway, if this is the temp drop associated with ovulation, how long do I have to dtd before its too late? My dh and I probably wont be together until tomorrow night. My cd range is usually between 26-33 days, FWIW. TIA.

ETA. I am bf and nad at night so perhaps my temps may be off from that. And I am trying to figure out my cm.

Scooter

04-13-2007, 11:30 AM

lilmomma, if you chart online, do you have a link to your chart?

There is not always a temp drop before ovulation. That can happen the day of ovulation but doesn't always. Also, a temp drop during the follicular phase (the pre-O phase) does not necessarily mean that O is about to happen. The key to remember is that temps don't predict ovulation. You can use your other fertility signs to help predict O--have you been charting your CM (as best as you can so far) or your CP? Or do you use OPKs? Those are going to help you figure out when you're most fertile. If you have fertile CM, I would suggest having sex every day or two until your temp rises, so you know you won't miss your window. You don't have to have sex on the day of O to get pg. Sperm can live anywhere from 2-5 days in fertile CM, so having sex in the several days before O is really going to improve your chances. ;)

lilmomma

04-19-2007, 05:28 AM

Hi. It is now cd 29. My last three temps have been 98,98, 98.4. There definitely seems to be a jump up. As I mentioned in pp, my temps were around 97.5-97.7. I have not had ewcm as far as I can tell since cd 17-20. Just wondering, when does the second temp spike come if you are pregnant? I am growing a cloud baby. Anyway, if af arrives soon, I will definitely try to chart my next cycle online so y'all can help me. In the meantime, I am just hoping for my cloudbaby to materialize. TIA.

tealynn

04-19-2007, 07:07 AM

Lilmomma, typically a fertilized egg will implant anywhere from 5DPO (days past ovulation) to 11DPO...which is when you might see an additional temp rise (making your chart triphasic) or you might keep a sustained high temp of say 98.4 (based on your temps, on any given cycle your temp can hit 98.4 but then usually drops back down). If you ovulated on CD17 (when you CM dried up) at CD 29 you would be 12DPO so your temps should either stay high (if you're PG) or start to drop back down with the appearance of AF (your period) and settle back down into pre ovulation range temps.

If you don't get PG this cycle, come over and join us in the TTC (trying to conceive) with Charting Thread. We have lots of information and lots of opinions (which were not afraid to share) and Fertility Friend (even for those computer challenged people) is a very easy software to get used to and it's free. I'm not sure if it's been mentioned before but you'll also get great information from reading "Taking Charge of Your Fertility" (TCOYF)by Toni Wechsler (sp?). Hopefully you'll have a definitive answer in the next day or two.

lilmomma

04-19-2007, 08:38 AM

Thanks for the info. I will definitely keep you posted.

LauraPerg

04-23-2007, 09:26 AM

I need opinions on my chart this month. A little background: I was diagnosed with PCOS with IR back in Dec. and I've been on metformin ever since hoping to ovulate. I came off the bcp in July of last year and have been charting ever since, but this is the first cycle that I've had a possible ovulation. Also, my temps were high at the beginning of the month because my doc had me on provera to get me to stop spotting and have a period. One more thing, I have uterus didelphys (2 seperate uteri as well as 2 cervices) which accounts for all the "fertile" cm on my chart. I constantly have some cm that appears creamy and I've yet to figure out how to account for that.

So let me know if you agree with FF on my ovulation...

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home
ETA: Link should be fixed now, thanks for the tip mkvh!