Interpret my chart!

[jellybeany]

I was wondering if someone could take a look at my chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1c06c1)? Is 6 dpo too early for an implantation dip? Also, is it too big of a drop to be implantation?

TIA!

[PalmBch2002]

I believe implantation dips can occur anywhere between 6-12 days. You're chart looks great!! Good luck!

[Mickey&B]

jellybeany Looks good!!!!

I don't really know what to make of my chart, my temps have never been this crazy. Can someone take a look and tell me what they think.

[PalmBch2002]

I'm bored :) so I'll take a stab at it!

Did you do anything out of the ordinary this weekend? Stay up later? Drink? pee in the middle of the night? Sleep with something differently? That might affect your temps. They look good though. A dip on 6 dpo is a promising one!

Good luck to you!!

[Mickey&B]

I can't think of anything different I am doing. I had a few drinks the night before last, and yesterday I was at a fair all day and I had maybe 1/2 a beer. Maybe it's just that it's getting cooler in the mornings, it's just that I have never had that much flucation after O. Well see if it a good sign in a little over a week!

[jellybeany]

So my temp did jump right back up this morning but then ff moved my coverline up. It now shows me a 6 dpo with the "dip" being 5 dpo. I don't know. I took my temp several times on cd 30 and it start at 97.44 then jumped to 97.7 then down to 97.52 all while I was laying down before I got up. I recorded my very first temp but if I adjust it up to 97.5 it puts my O date back to cd 27. Any ideas? Sorry - this is my first month charting. :)

[mkvh]

jellybeany--Not to be a Monday morning QB, but that's what I was going to say about your O yesterday. FF likes the dip, but your temp on CD28 still was in line with your pre-O temps. With a dip like that, it could just be a post-O estrogen surge (I nearly always got one around 4 DPO) which is normal. Hang in there.

Oh--and ALWAYS use your first temp. ALWAYS. :D

[MLA]

Okay, so I need a little help. My cycle's been super wacky. I usually chart w/ovusoft, but it kept not calling an o date, so I thought I'd put my info into my old FF account. Well, FF called CD 13. Then a day later, it called CD 15. Then ovusoft called CD 20. I have no idea when I actually ovulated. Part of the problem is that I don't think I had good CM data -- DH and I are TTC-ing, so it was sort of hard to tell what was EWCM and what wasn't. So, CDs 14-16, I'm not 100% sure that what I was seeing was actually fertile CM or if it was . . . er . . . something else. :o

Other things to note are that I had ovulation pain on CDs 12 & 13. And I spotted on CD 22, and today (CD 24)

Anyone want to give me a hand in figuring out if I o'ed on CD 13, 15, or 20?

Thanks!

Here's a link to my Ovusoft Chart (http://forums.ovusoft.com/chart.asp?id=mla)

And a link to the FF Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/168925)

:confused:

[PalmBch2002]

Ok MLA - here's my thoughts...

I looked through your charts on Ovusoft and they are all pretty similar except chart #10 which looks a lot like this one - early O and low post O temps...so I would go with O on CD13, especially if you had O pains.

I would go with the CD13 and just count it as an odd cycle among your others. Either way good luck!!! I always hate it when I have an odd cycle thrown in there...I'm in one now myself!!!

[MLA]

Thanks, PalmBch. I'm thinking CD 13, too, because once I change the CM to reflect that I couldn't really tell what was going on, ovusoft moved me to O-ing on CD 13, too.

Anyone else agree?

[Scooter]

MLA, CD 15 doesn't make a lot of sense to me because of the temperatures afterwards. But you know that FF loves the pre-O dip, and calls a lot of O dates erroneously because of it. :rolleyes: If you do the classic chart technique (stand back and squint), you notice that the temps from cd14-cd20 are all in the same range. So I'd rule out cd15.

The cd21-23 temps are slightly higher, but CM gives no indication that cd20 was your peak day, so I would rule that one out.

Overall, looks like cd13 has the best match of temps and CM for the O date. Looks to me more like the chart went a bit triphasic starting 8dpo, and between that and the spotting on 9 and 11dpo, unless AF's coming early I'd say your chances are looking pretty darn good this month. :) So if you're 13dpo, when are you testing?

[MLA]

Scooter -- Well, if I did, indeed, O on CD 13, then I'm actually 11 dpo right now. That's about as long as my LP ever gets, so I'll probably break down and test sometime soon. I don't have my hopes up because I'm not feeling any symptoms at all -- and last time (which ended in m/c), I had super-tender breasts starting very early (earlier than 11 dpo).

Thanks for the feedback!

[Scooter]

Duh, I can't count. :o So the spotting could definitely be pre-AF then. Well, some people don't get any symptoms when they're pg, so hopefully that'll be the case for you.

[MLA]

Duh, I can't count. :o So the spotting could definitely be pre-AF then. Well, some people don't get any symptoms when they're pg, so hopefully that'll be the case for you.

Well, I'm 12 DPO today, and still no AF, so who knows? If it doesn't show up in the next few days, I'll definitely test.

[NotDesperate]

I have a question...

My FF calendar is telling me that today is a fertile day but I am not sure why...

I just finished my period yesterday. I am wondering if it is because I chose that I had "watery" CM. I am not too sure how to describe CM yet because I just started checking it but it seems watery I think because of all the grapefruit juice I have been drinking...

Anyway, it could also be that FF is just getting to know me since I just started a week or so ago.

What do you think?

[Mickey&B]

NotDesperate your right, if you chose watery CM and you have not O'd yet FF would assume that you are fertile. Do you know when you usually O? Sometimes women get fertile CM many days before they O, so if your not sure it's better to cover your bases :D

[NotDesperate]

Mickey- I don't think I have O'ed for 7 years as I was on the pill that long! I just went off this month so I have no clue when I will O. I am doing OPKs and temping to help me figure it out. Thank you for your help!

[Mystikal]

NotDesperate I just wanted to post that I usually get fertile CM for about 8 days prior to O'ing.

[Mrsbuw]

I forget how to link my FF chart but need a little help. I am 8 DPO and I had a temp dip yesterday that went back up pretty high today. This morning I started spotting (red) so I thoughtI my period was coming early. My question - once your period arrives, do your temperatures stay below the cover line or can they stay high even though you are on your period. I hope this makes sense. I have always stopped charting once my period arrives so I can’t compare my temperatures at the beginning of a cycle.
Thanks for your help

[tealynn]

Mrsbuw, my temps typically stay high several days into AF starting but I'm willing to wager that what you are experiencing is an implanation dip and potentially implantation spotting. See what happens in the next couple of days. Implantation spotting will probably only last a couple of days and shouldn't be pretty light. What is your luteal phase usually?

[Mrsbuw]

thanks tealynn,

I figured out how to link my chart. I am hoping it is implantation spotting. I never had it with my first pregnancy . I know only time will tell but cross my fingers the spotting seems to have stopped.

[PalmBch2002]

MrsBuw - that sounds just like my last cycle! I had a dip and then the following two days I had spotting...thought for sure my period was going to start and then when it didn't come full force but my temp stayed up, I tested and lo and behold I was PG!! Good luck!!!

[Scooter]

mrsbuw, that chart link doesn't work. Log in to FF, go to "sharing" in the left column, click "home page setup" and then you'll see at the top of the page it will say "Your Charting Home Page Web Address:" Copy that url and past it into your sig instead.

[Mrsbuw]

thanks Palmbch2002- congrats on your BFP
Thanks Scooter, I think it should work now :)

[Mrsbuw]

Well I think I am out, my temperature really dropped again:( I guess I will see what happens today

[PalmBch2002]

:mad: Good luck next month Mrsbuw - That sucks.

[Eloo]

I need a few extra sets of eyes! This is my second cycle post m/c and third cycle post BCP. I wasn't temping faithfully on the weekends because I slept in and knew I wouldn't get anything consistent. I've also been under a lot of stress this last month and a half which has eased up considerably in the last two weeks. FF hasn't called ovulation yet - but by looking at my chart the temps have been consistently higher (with the exception of CD 41) in the last week or so. My questions are these:
1. Do you think I might have ovulated?
2. Do you think it could have been between CD 31 and CD 34?
3. Should I look at CD 41 as the drop in temp before ovulation or should I use the "rule of thumb" and exclude it?

I guess at this point I'd be thrilled if I ovulated - regardless of whether or not I got pg.

Thanks!!!

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/Eloo

[Julss05]

Eloo Before FF drew a dotted line I was guessing O was CD41. I don't know though, that temp. drop a few days later is weird unless it's implantation? I'd say if your temps. stay low then you didn't O but if they rise again and stay high you did O on CD41. Sorry I couldn't help much. Hope you O'd! Good luck:).

I'm having a weird cycle too, first one TTC, go figure:rolleyes:. Got EWCM and low temp early, thought I might be oing. Then two days later the same thing happened but with O pain. I think I O'd on CD12 but considering FF hasn't drawn a line yet (think it does after 3 high temps) I'm guessing if I get another high temp. tomorrow it will say I O'd on CD13 instead.:confused:

[ktina0803]

Has any one had their temps drop and then AF show for a day and have your temps go back to post o range? There really shouldn't be a way that I am pregnant mainly because the one time we did the deed that could even be close we used a condom. (obviously it could have broken) But I also took and HPT test last night and got a negative. We were heading out to a party and wanted to be sure. My chart is in my sig if anyone has any ideas. :confused:

ETA: My temp dropped again this morning so I am back to normal.

[Julss05]

Has any one had their temps drop and then AF show for a day and have your temps go back to post o range?
Yes mine does that a lot. It usually almost always drops the day of AF (not always) and then will spike for a while and then go back down before O.

Still confused by my chart. I put in a normal post O temp. to see what FF would give me and it said my O would be CD13 but my real temp. for today is only 97.7 which is not considererd a post O temp. for me so I can only assume I haven't ovulated yet.:confused: I don't understand the O pain and EWCM I had earlier though if I haven't which is now gone. Oh well, I guess we'll just continue to BD and see what happens....

[Annette]

Can someone look at my chart and tell me if FF is calling my O right? I've been spotting (need to wear a pad)since Sunday and my post O temps seems awfully low compared to my prior history. I'm not sure if it's because the room has been cooler at night or if I didn't even O. I know I'm not pg. We've been avoiding because I have to get an HSG. Thanks!

[tealynn]

Annette, hmmmm...it's hard to say. The temp spike looks like O but then your low temps for the past couple of days...and the spotting. The temps are definitely low for post O. Is there any reason your temp would have spiked? Feeling sick?

The spotting could be O spotting. Are you feeling any cramping? What about CM?

I think you may have to wait for a couple more temps to determine if it's annov.

I hate wacky cycles.

[mkvh]

Annette--I typicially have a big day or 2 dip like that after O. So I think tomorrow's temp will be telling. If it goes back up to post-O range, I would agree with FF. If it stays down, I would toss the high temps and say you haven't O'd yet.

Looks like you had a dry up that corresponds to the temps, yes? If so keep and eye out for fertile CM again just to be sure.

[Annette]

Thanks! I figured I'll see what happens. I really want to get my 7dpo prog test taken care of this cycle too. I hate when my body frustrates me.

[first-time mom]

So I dont chart but I wanted to put my info out there to see what you think

I am on cd 16 today and my cycles are usually 28-29 days each month. I cant even tell you the last time they were anything longer than that. I started to notice some EWCM on Tuesday and Wednesday. On both those days I had mild cramping and on Wednesday(CD15) I had pains in my right ovary. I assume that meant ovulation? Today CD16 I tried to examine my mucus but how do u do that if you BD the night before? So here is the question I BD for the last 4 days in a row. Would you assume the pains in the right ovary meant I already ovulated? I hope I covered my bases. I mean if I was going to ovulate today BD today would be too late right? Well I mean it wouldnt be too late but isnt BDing before ovulation that is key?


I guess I am trying to figure out if I covered my bases well this month to TTC. Dh wont be home tonight so I cant BD tonight. I can Friday but I am assuming that I have already ovulated. I just wish there was a way I could tell if I truly ovulated. I assume the pain was a good sign

[MLA]

Ovulation pains don't necessarily mean that you're in the process of ovulating -- sometimes they can be a precursor. I sometimes get them a few days before ovulation.

In terms of evaluating your CM, if you put it in a glass of water and it stays together, it's EWCM. If it dissolves, it's semen.

[first-time mom]

Hmmm interesting about the CM so if I truly ovulated yesterday would I have any EWCM today? Would it still be left over from yesterday?

[lcarlson90]

This is my 2nd cycle off BCP. Last month I charted but I am not sure when I ovulated because I had a sinus infection with a fever the week I should have ovulated so my temps were all over the place. I may not have even ovulated. My cycle last month was 28 days.

This month I have been charting my temps every morning and I am on CD10. My pre-ovulation temps are usually in the 97.2 - 97.6 range. Yesterday and today my temp was 97.9. Is it normal to have a temp spike 2 days in a row before ovulation. Shoudn't the temps stay relatively low? I highly doubt that I ovulated on CD8.

I know I shouldn't be surprised by the wacky cycles since it's only my 2nd month off BCP, but the other times that I went off the pill my cycles were fairly regular.

Thanks

[tealynn]

first-time mom, my input would be to keep covering your bases, until you know for sure. I also get O pain 4-5 days before Oing. There's a chance you could still have a little EWCM after Oing...it happens but typically a CM dry up can help determine that you've O'ed in conjunction w/ temp rise, etc.

lcarlson, a .2-.3 degree temp rise can be a normal fluctuation w/in pre-O temps. Typically (for me) my post O temps are almost a full degree higher. I would agree, it is unlikely that you O'ed on CD8. Possibly though, you may see a trend in your temps spiking a little before O, if that's the case, it gives you another method to anticipate your O date!

[MizLarner]

Here is my chart:
http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/993ed

Here are my questions:
1)Do my post-O temps look good?

2)I had a previous O date of cd18.. would you agree that FF's current O date (cd26) is more likely? I feel like I'm having symptoms that probably aren't likely at 6dpo but might be possible at 14dpo (nausea, gas, diarrhea)

3) My average LP is 14 days, but last cycle was 17 days, out of the blue. Should I go by my average for a test date, or should I go past 17 days?

Thanks!

[Baby Lust]

MizLarner, I am certainly not an expert, as many of my TTC cycles we annov but from what I have learned over the years, here are my thoughts:

1) I think your post-O temps look good. Had you temped consistently pre-O, you might see that those missing temps were pretty consistent with the ones that are on your chart, and it might have made your chart "easier to interpret" (sorry if that didn't make much sense... :o)

2) I would agree with the current O date. I see why FF would have given you CHs at CD18 due to the 2-temp rise, but then they dropped and evened out, which is indicative of impending O. So I think the current CHs are correct!

3) I would go by your average LP. That is what FF does if you have a paid membership. Some gals test with cheapie tests early and if there is a hint of a line, they will test with an Equate or digital.

Good luck! :)

[MizLarner]

Thanks! I went ahead and bought a 2-pack of Answer (my preferred test) and I will be testing in the AM.. if its BFN and AF doesnt show Ill test again next Sat.

[lcarlson90]

I am so confused this month. Please help...

My temps and CM have been all over the place this month. I took OPK tests on CD 10, 11, 12, 13 at about 5:00 pm and all of them were negative. Yesterday on CD 14 I got a positive OPK at about 5:00 pm. I also had some brownish/pinkish tinged creamy CM yesterday. As you can see from my chart my temp was up to 98.1 this morning. Why are my temps so wacky? If I wouldn't have gotten the positive OPK I would have never known that I ovulated.

Here is my question... Do you think the egg already popped? The OPK says that you will ovulate within 24 - 36 hours after the positive. But it's possible since I only test 1 time a day that I got the positive at the tail end of the surge. My DH has been away on a business trip and he gets home tonight. Do you think it's to late to BD. I thought I heard that the sperm have to be waiting for the egg already and I am not sure how long it takes for them to get up there. Do you think there is still hope or did we miss the window this month?

My chart link is in my signature :)

Thanks

[Baby Lust]

lcarlson, It looks like FF has adjusted your O date since you posted, but I agree with where it is now (CD17). Your temps have the classic shift and your CM matches up really well!! I hope you got some good BDing in when your DH got home!! ;) Good luck!!

[MMHinCA]

Can anyone tell me if / when I O'd?

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/c14c1

Ovusoft has me Oing on CD 15???? :confused:

[Scooter]

MMH, although you have a +OPK on cd14, I don't see a biphasic temp shift. I also only see CM recorded on days 13 and 14...can you add any more information about that? The only reason ovusoft is calling it on cd15 is the lack of CM and the +OPK. If you recorded fertile CM on cd15 or 16, I bet it would stop calling your O. Looks like you might have either a delayed O or a delayed temp rise--either way, you can't tell an O day yet any better than ovusoft already did.

[MMHinCA]

Thanks Scooter. I really have no clue what my CM was (so I have just removed it for now). I will just wait and see what happens.

I am so clueless on all of this! :( :confused:

[NotDesperate]

Hi ladies, I need your expertise! ;)

This is my 2nd month TTC/off the pill/charting.

Last month I don't think I O'ed but can you interpret my chart for this month so far and see if you think I O'ed? My temp went up on Sat and has stayed the exact temp for the past 4 days since then.

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/ttc/chartgraph_module.php?d=2007-11-10

What do you think?

[jellybeany]

NotDesperate ~ I think something may be wrong with your image link. I am seeing my own chart there instead of yours.

[NotDesperate]

Really? When I look at my post, I don't see a link but the image of my chart...

Maybe I posted it wrong, how do you post a FF chart?

[jellybeany]

Now I just see a broken image. When you are in ff on the left side go to Sharing and then Home Page Setup. This is the link that you will want to use for sharing your chart. :)

[MMHinCA]

NotDesperate... I see my chart in your post! :)

[NotDesperate]

Ok, try this...

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1d44d2/?i=2630375&

This is my 2nd month TTC/off the pill/charting.

Last month I don't think I O'ed but can you interpret my chart for this month so far and see if you think I O'ed? My temp went up on Sat and has stayed the exact temp for the past 4 days since then.

What do you think?

ETA: Why are those 2 dots empty instead of filled in? I put in data for those days...

[jellybeany]

Much better!

Did you take your temp at a different time on those 2 mornings? If so, that is why you have the empty circles.

It doesn't look like you've O'd yet. Your temps aren't really above your coverline and you still have fertile CM. It looks like you may be gearing up to though.

[Scooter]

NotDesperate, if you follow this advice:
When you are in ff on the left side go to Sharing and then Home Page Setup. This is the link that you will want to use for sharing your chart. :)
On home page setup there will be a link at the top of the page, labelled "Your Charting Home Page Web Address." Instead of having to post the image, you can just post that link. It's not only easier but that way you won't have to post a new image everyday--it will always be updated. Plus, it will show us your previous chart(s) for comparison.

Your temp hasn't really "gone up"--it's still in the same range as the rest of the temps. See, it's no higher than it was on cd14? Also, if it really went up, you wouldn't start having fertile quality CM after ovulation like that. It looks nice and stable right now, which happens sometimes when you're gearing up to O. Your +OPK was only 2 days ago, so you still fall in that 12-48hr time frame we were talking about in the other thread. Chances are you are Oing/o'd today and tomorrow your temp will rise and your CM will dry up.

Open circles mean that you took the temp earlier or later than usual. IT usually gives you a 30min range of your average times, and when you go outside that you get open circles.

[NotDesperate]

Oh thank you for your help! I am not good at checking CM at all and I think the only reason it seems like good CM is because I drink a lot of GFP. It is probably better not to when you are first learning to check CM, but I can't help it.

Well if I am O'ing today or tomorrow, I better go find DH ;)

[Scooter]

GFJ is not going to give you fertile CM by itself. It's only going to increase the amount/quality of what you already have. It is not going to give you fertile CM at the wrong time of your cycle.

Just to make sure I was clear, if you had a +OPK on Monday and didn't O yesterday, then you are either Oing sometime in the next few hours or already did earlier today. I didn't say you will Oing tomorrow. If you BD'd the last couple days you should be covered, although tonight couldn't hurt. ;)

[NotDesperate]

Thansk Scooter, I really am a dummy when it comes to all this stuff. I appreciate all the help.

I had a positive OPK on Sunday and then one today. The one today is fainter, though not by much.

I thought you O'ed when your temp went up, if they haven't gone up then how could I be Oing today/around today sometime?

So if I O'ed today but DTD 2 days ago, that would be considered good timing? I guess I thought you had to do it the day of or before but I guess that wouldn't make much sense.

All this is so complicated! Especially for someone who is supposed to be only SWHs, lol :)

[Scooter]

Are you sure you're getting positive OPKs? The test line was AS dark or darker than the control line? It's unusual that you would get one three days in a row. What about yesterday, did you test? I didn't notice your +OPK today, sorry. the 12-48hr rule still applies, but starting when you get a fully positive one.

After you O, your temp does go up. I tried to explain it a couple posts above, but your temperature has to rise into a higher range. Looking at your chart, I'd expect your post ovulation temps to ALL be above 98.1 degrees. That's because your pre-O temps for the last week are in the 97.6-98.0 range.

Your fertility signs all should match up, too. You should get a +OPK and then a day or two later your temp will shoot up AND your CM will stop being EWCM or wet and will become dry, sticky, or maybe creamy. When you see those things all happening at once, it'll be more clear that you O'd. As of today, none of those 3 signs show that you've O'd.

As far as DTD, there are a couple threads around here that discuss the specifics, if you search. If your DH has no issues, every day around O is your best bet. Every other day is also good, but too much longer than that is going to lower your chances.

Have you read TCOYF?

[NotDesperate]

No I haven't read it but I will. Thank you. I only did an OPK on Sunday and today, I ran out and couldn't do one yesterday until I bought more today.

I didn't know it had to be AS dark, or darker than the control line- which is one thing I was confused about.

Thank you so much!

[Goddess Tiff]

9 DPO and going crazy in this 2ww. Any opinions on my chart? Link's in my sig. What a Thanksgiving gift it would be.

[Scooter]

Looks good to me, Tiff! :) When are you going to test?

[Baby Lust]

Ooh! Love that 5DPO dip! :D Looks very promising!!!

[Goddess Tiff]

I DON'T KNOW!!!

Honestly, I imagine I won't be able to resist testing starting tomorrow. It'll be 10DPO and a little early, but it's been a long 10 days so far!

I hope this is it!!

[FoxyBlue]

I got my BFP at about 9DPO :) I say test!

(And my chart was UGLY... I am a horrible sleeper so I had jumpy temps)

[Goddess Tiff]

Well, my temp went down just a little this morning and I got a BFN. :( I'm only 10 DPO so maybe it'll turn around,

[FoxyBlue]

You're still above your coverline, so keep temping accurately and maybe you'll get a positive :)

I went up and down a little too, then went biphasic. Sending BPO dust!

[Goddess Tiff]

11 DPO today, and my temp dropped further, and I got another BFN. I just don't have a good feeling about this anymore. :(

[FoxyBlue]

:( Sorry.

[NotDesperate]

Can I get another interpretation please? I finally have cross hairs on my whacked out chart. In fact, it is so whacked out the crosshairs jumped back a few days today, lol!

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1d44d2/?i=2630375&

So I have no clue what is going on but I least I have crosshairs this month. It is only my 2nd month but this charting stuff gets old, doesn't it? ;)

TIA!

[jellybeany]

I think I would agree with FF on the cross hairs & O date. There is an obvious temp shift along with the cm and the positive opk. You had 1 day below your coverline but that happens sometimes and is normal.

[NotDesperate]

Well thank you jellybeany. I will keep you posted! ;)

[mpc863]

i'm 10DPO, tested this morning, BFN. do you think that there is any hope left in this cycle?

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/31c13

[Scooter]

I notice that several of you have been posting your chart images instead of a chart link. I just want to give a gentle reminder that chart images can get really big as the month goes on and will mess up the screen width for the entire page. Please post links instead of big pics, just like you would on the rest of the boards. If you need help figuring out how, it was just explained in this thread in posts 301 and 305. Thank you! :)


OK, mod hat off---
mpc831, of course there is hope! 10dpo is really early for testing. Looks like your chart has gone triphasic, which is a hopeful sign as well. Some people don't get BFPs until 14 or 15dpo (or later) so there's a definite chance. Implantation happens between 5-12dpo, average is 7-10dpo. It then takes a few days to build up enough hCG (pregnancy hormone) for the test to be able to pick it up, so that's why I'm calling 10dpo early.

[mpc863]

scooter, i got rid of the picture. sorry about that!

i knew i shouldn't have tested this orning. i'm going to wait until AF day to test. our timing was poor this cycle so i didn't expect anything to happen but these high temps are getting my hopes up.

[JillyBean]

Anyone care to look at my two charts? I usually chart with ovusoft, but I like to put my info into FF just to see if the two agree. Ovusoft said it couldn't detect ovulation this cycle, and FF said I o'd on CD15. Which (if either) is correct?

Ovusoft: http://www.tcoyf.com/chart.asp?id=jillyb
FF: http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/170c59

Thanks :)

[mindy2137]

I haven't been on in a long time but was wondering what ya'll think my chart looks like, my average lp is 14 and today is day 13! Thanks!
http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/186913

[FoxyBlue]

*Fingers crossed*!

[jellybeany]

I was wondering if someone could take a look at my chart (link in sig). What day do you think I O'd? I think I agree with ff. All of the signs except OPK point to CD 20.

[MizLarner]

I agree with FF also. Any way the OPKs could have been duds?

[jellybeany]

Thanks MizLarner - I used the internet cheapies. I got some darker lines around the time I think I O'd but never as dark as the control line. It may be a possibility that i missed the surge I guess.

[katiems118]

Jellybeany- Im thinking CD 28, thats when your temps all seem to have shifted, as opposed to up/down.

[Scooter]

Internet cheapies don't always work--I never had a true positive with them. Even with brandname ones you can miss the surge if you're only testing once a day. So I wouldn't put too much stock in the negatives. Which day did you get the darkest line on the OPKs?

I disagree with the cd28 O day, because cd25 and 27 both had temps in the same range, the cervical position wasn't right, and you had no CM then. CD 20 makes sense with all three--temps, cervical position, and CM.

[jellybeany]

Which day did you get the darkest line on the OPKs?

I think it was CD 18. I was testing at 1pm every day.

[Scooter]

I think it was CD 18. I was testing at 1pm every day.
That fits in perfectly with the cd20 O then. :) If you're not testing at multiple times a day with those OPKs already, I'd suggest trying that next time. And if you already are doing that, you might want to try some regular ones instead. If you want to use them.

[Smilin13]

Okay, I have some questions.

This is my second month off BCP. Last month seemed to be pretty predictable. Unfortunately this month could not be quite as easy for me. I got sick this month. (boo hiss). I started feeling sick on CD8. Last month I O'd on CD10. My question is, how much can being sick effect O-day?

If I remember correctly being sick may (not definitely) put O off? My temp rose the day before I started feeling icky, and I was sick for 5 days, so I don't think I can really count any of that information.

Also my other question is about CM. I'm still getting the hang of figuring out what type of CM I'm getting. My question is, can all CM be stretched, or is it really just EWCM that is stretchy?

Thanks for all your wealth of information :)

[FoxyBlue]

To me, EWCM truly strrreetches. Other CM seems to 'stretch', but in retrospect it's more 'tacky' with a slight stretch than truly stretchy.

[JFlo]

Morning ladies! I'm not sure which thread to ask my question on, but since you all are so educated on your cycles, I thought I'd start here.

I've been off BCP and charting for a little over a year now (TTC for 10 unsuccessful months). For the first 8 cycles, everything was like clockwork...ovulated on CD14 or CD15.

Then, things started to get whacky. The next 3 cycles, I was ovulating later and later...day CD18, CD 19, CD 21 in that order. I mentioned this to my doctor during my annual exam and she said not to worry, just adjust BD timing. She also said that if we have no success with getting pregnant after 1 year of trying, to make an appointment to come in.

Now, onto the next cycle. I ovulated on CD15, but I had an ovarian cyst rupture that cycle...ouch!

This last cycle, I didn't ovulate until CD28!! This just doesn't seem right. I always had very normal cycles before I went on BCP (which I was on for 6 years), never missed a period, usually felt ovulation mid-cycle. And now, when we're trying to TTC things are getting strange.

I guess my questions are...has anyone started off with normal cycles and then suddenly things got out of whack? Could the ovarian cyst have screwed up the subsequent cycle causing me to ovulate late? One thing that occured to me that I've read is that women can stress when when TTC isn't working, causing ovulation to happen later in the cycle. But, I normally don't feel stressed at the beginning of my cycle while waiting for ovulation to occur, I normally get nervous during the 2WW.

OK, I've babled on enough. If you think there is a better place to ask this question, please let me know. Thanks!

[mpc863]

good morning!

i am on 7DPO and i had a big temp drop today. my temp was 98.42 yesterday (taken at 8 AM, my "usual" time is 7:15). Today it was 97.75. could this be an implantation dip?

chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/31c13)

[Scooter]

JFlo, I'm hearing two things that make me think of PCOS--irregular cycles and cysts. I would explore that possibility first. There is a PCOS thread here (http://www.constantchatter.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13546) where you can read about it and there is also this site which has symptom info: soulcysters (http://www.soulcysters.com/do_have_pcos.html). The good thing is that you are ovulating, but if you're consistently having late and irregular ovulation, that tends to signal a hormone imbalance. Which is part of PCOS. Luckily you are Oing, so at this point charting (and maybe investing in a monitor) are your best bets for ttc. If you do suspect PCOS, you should make an appt with your ob/gyn for testing and an u/s to confirm the diagnosis.

mpc863, yes, it could be an "implantation" dip (also possibly caused by an estrogen surge that happens around that time). One thing I notice is that your coverline is .5 degrees higher this cycle than last. It's rare for a coverline to vary that much. When I look at your post-O temp range, it is consistent with last cycle's temp range. So unless you've drastically changed your sleeping environment (blasting the heater, etc) I'm thinking there might be a mistake with your coverline. Especially because the last 5 days before O your temps were erratic and not taken at the right time.

[mpc863]

scooter, thank you for responding so quickly! the temps that were mostly taken 45 minutes earlier than usual (cd6, 8, 9) and on cd 10 it was taken 2 hours later. we were out of town sunday morning and if forgot my thermometer. given that, do you still think that the coverline is wrong? if it is wrong, can i even use my temps to interpret anything (read: obsess :))

thanks again for all of your help!

[Scooter]

mpc863, I think you don't have enough charts yet (with temps) to be able to see a clear pattern. It may take another cycle or two to get a clear picture of your patterns. Hopefully you'll be pg by then. :) But no, your coverline should not vary that much, and therefore one or the other of your coverlines is incorrect--hard to say, with only 2 charts!

I strongly caution against using temps to obsess. That's a great way to build your hopes up and really make you feel devastated if AF arrives. They don't usually tell you anything. I've had charts with dips, that were triphasic, that had high temps, that had long LPs, and where my temps didn't drop until after AF arrived. Not to mention all the "symptoms" I had that convinced me I was pg. And you know what? Not one of those was a pregnancy cycle. Symptoms and charts don't tell you that you're pregnant ahead of time, nothing is going to tell you that except an HPT. ;)

[mpc863]

scooter, thank you for your thoughtful reply. i really appreciate your help :)

[bug]

I have a question about EWCM. I have been charting since July (sorry my charts aren't linked, I'll have to go read about how to do that) and up until about October, FF was clear on the ovulation date and my symptoms matched in that there was EWCM and then the next day, my temps jumped and stayed up.

Now since Oct, I have been experiencing lots of EWCM (and drinking grapefruit juice) but I have not had the temp rise until about 4-6 days AFTER the EWCM. Does anyone have any insight about why this could be? Or what it means? FF is calling O date based on the temp spikes (which I understand) but I thought your most fertile days were when there is a lot of EWCM? (other factors to consider are that I am hypothyroid and my meds were increased around that time up to 75 then 88 mcg, but since trying to get your TSH under control is a good thing for TTC, I am confused). Timing for us is crucial becuase we have to do IUI's.

Any input is appreciated, thanks very much.

[Scooter]

Bug, it's hard to say why there would be such a discrepancy between the CM and the temp rise, especially without seeing the chart. One possibility is that you are a person who tends to have a slow rise, instead of an immediate temp jump. Have you been checking any other fertility signs? TCOYF (http://tcoyf.com) explains how to also check your cervical position, which would give you more info. There's also an lymph node at the top of your leg that TCOYF describes, you could try that (it was always a good predictor for me, when I felt like my chart was a little confusing). And of course, there are always OPKs, ferning (saliva) microscopes, the ovulation watch, and fertility monitors, if you want to get more scientific about it.

It sounds strange to me that you would be doing an IUI and have no input from the RE about when you're Oing? No ultrasound is scheduled? They're not telling you to do OPKs?

[bug]

Scooter--Thanks for the reply. I have done 2 IUI's with OPK's and only 1 with an ultrasound. I don't really like my RE's office, they seem pretty laid back about my procedures. When I brought them my charts to start with, they weren't that interested (almost to the point that I wondered if they even knew what they were, but of course I am sure that they did). They also prescribe clomid on days 1-5 instead of 3-7 which I thought was odd. And come to find out, they went ahead with the procedures when my TSH levels were higher than they should have been. So, I am probably in the process of looking for a new RE. (We have MF IF which is why the IUI and since it is so expensive, I'm really trying to not waste procedures).

I did have an ultrasound for my last IUI, and then got a positive OPK, went in for the IUI, and then FF called O 2 days later! When my symptoms matched in earlier months, I did have some months when I had a + OPK at the same time as the + on the ferning test as well and then the temp jump. I guess that is why I am so confused about what has happened lately. I do have a copy of TCOYF that I read and still refer too. I asked my Gyn at my last appointment about checking cervix position, and she seemed to think it was pretty difficult to tell. Maybe I'll give it a try. We're taking this cycle and last cycle off so hopefully I can adjust to the increased meds and maybe I'll get back on track. Thanks again!

[RainGirl]

Hoping for some opinions on the O date on my chart http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/d5f9d

FF is calling Monday 1/7 as my O date, but I'm really hoping there is a possiblity that Tuesday 1/8 is my O date. My CBEFM hit peak on 1/8 and 1/9. I had my HSG on 1/7 so we weren't BDing until after that time as it seemed pointless. I have O'd early before but more typically around CD 14 so this really caught me by surprise. Thoughts?

[KRL626]

Raingirl Well according to TCOYF you are supposed to consider the six previous temps and if you do that then the day they called it for would be incorrect because the rise did not go above the sixth temp before it. I would say to you 1/8 is probable too. FF always gets it wrong. I think mine is similarly incorrect. HtH

[RainGirl]

Thanks for your input KRL626! I was hoping that it was more than wishful thinking on my part.

[ktina0803]

Sorry in advance for the long post. I use this site for information alot and can usually find my answer but today my charts are confusing me.

I have been using FF and for the most part have agreed with when it calls my O, when I didn't agree I would just change it. I decided to get the OS program so that I could see more of the details (CM, and PS). However, when I put my last two cycles in it didn't call my O. On the current cycle I figured it was because I hadn't been real good about writing down my CM so I decided to put in my previous cycle. However, it didn't call an O date for that cycle either. The only thing that would have been strange in my previous cycle is that I went home on the 12th of Dec. The time change is one hour backwards, however, I temped as if it was the same time. In other words I temped at 5:00 there but it would be 6:00 here (my normal time). And my temps stayed in there normal pattern. 97's before O and 98's after O. Do you gals have any ideas? Thanks for any insight.

[ktina0803]

I got it to add the O. I wasn't putting in that I had dry cm after the date I ovulated. :)

[LauraPerg]

This is driving me crazy, I ovulated approximately 10 days earlier than normal and I skipped a day in taking my temp thinking I had plenty of time before they were extra important if you know what I mean. My temp went up the next day and stayed and I realized that missing that temp was a big problem. So, I know you girls have great advice and suggestions, so when did you guys think I ovulated? Also, I did an override and marked my o-day as cd 15 and my cm was somewhat obscured, so those are not concrete.

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/11b50f

TIA!!

[Scooter]

Laura, No one can tell you that it was cd14 or 15, but going by CM Id guess cd15.

The only other thing that would help is seeing any of your previous charts. What is your coverline usually? If it's normally around there and your post O temps are usually 97.7 and above, then that lets you know it was cd 14 or 15.

[LauraPerg]

Scooter - thanks for the reply, I added another chart to my page. My coverline is typically 97.35 and the temps after O seem to stick around 97.7, some are higher, but not many are lower. The chart I added (I use the basic account so I can only have 2 charts to share) is very similar to my current chart as far as post O temps. I think I'll stick with cd 15 as the O date and go from there. Thanks for your input.

[NotDesperate]

Laura, I looked at your chart but I'm not sure. :( Sorry! Are you TTC? If so, it looks pretty good so far, I think!


Anyone care to look at my chart? The link is in my signature. TIA :)

[LauraPerg]

Laura, I looked at your chart but I'm not sure. :( Sorry! Are you TTC? If so, it looks pretty good so far, I think!


Anyone care to look at my chart? The link is in my signature. TIA :)

Hi Katie! We are not really TTC, but no big deal if it happens. That was (accidentally) remarkably good timing! I was kind of expecting O in about 10 more days, which would've been consistent with my previous 4 charts, but this one came really early. I took a test yesterday and got a bfn, but that was pretty early, so I guess there's still a pretty good chance for me.

Your chart is looking really promising to me, especially the cm, but I'm certainly not a charting expert! :D

[Ilovemygeek]

I am hoping some of you ladies have some insight on my crazy chart. My temps are kind of wacky as this is my first cycle off BCPs, but I suspect I might have ovulated on CD27 based on CM and some cramping. Does it look like that is a possibility or are my temps just being random. Last time we were TTC, I only ovulated 3 out of 5 cycles and I tend to have long cycles (around 50 days), so if this is just a long anovulatory cycle it would not be abnormal for me.

If I did ovulate on that day, our timing would be great though. :)

ETA: The link to my chart is in my signature.

[sea74]

It looks to me like you could have ovulated :) I guess a few more days and you'll know or not. But w/your temps I would have thought that FF would have given you crosshairs yet.

Hope it all ends up in a BFP for you :)

[Scooter]

NotDesperate, just checked your chart, sorry about AF. I've had some cycles like that, too, where your temp goes up right before AF. In at least one chart, my highest temp was the day AF started, and it took another day or two to come down--talk about getting your hopes up! :(


Ilovemygeek, Looks like an O to me! You just don't have crosshairs because you're missing some pre-O temps. If you put a fake temp in at cd26, I bet it'll pop up with some crosshairs. Maybe a coverline at 97.9 or so. (Oh--and when I add fake temps in my chart like that I'll justmake sure I put that fact in the "notes" section.)

[Ilovemygeek]

Scooter I took your advice about the fake temp and crosshairs appeared. Thanks! :)

[NotDesperate]

Scooter, I just saw your reply to me. Thanks, it was pretty disappointing.


I think my chart this month looks even more promising as my temps have steadily increased.... but I'm *trying* not to get my hopes up though.


Laura, what ever happened with you?

[FoxyBlue]

Test Already!! :)

[NotDesperate]

Me?

lol

[MelissaLovesPugs]

Hello all,
I am wondering how common it is to start AF with temps still above coverline? Maybe my temps aren't accurate...

FF & Ovusoft drew different coverlines (and diff O days for that matter) for me, but on both charts my temp is still above the coverline. :confused:

Ovusoft chart (http://forums.ovusoft.com/chart.asp?cycle=6&id=melissalovespugs&tc=0&p=)

Fertility friend, scroll down for the cycle I am referring to (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1e0d42)

Thanks in advance. (I am kind of just relieved this cycle is over, even if it wasn't a success. 61 day cycle, when the longest I had in the previous 7 months was 33 days.)

[NotDesperate]

Hi Melissa,

If you scroll up a little bit in this thread you will see where Scooter got AF when her temps were still high. So yea it can happen but could this just PG-related spotting for you? I hope so! If not, at least your long cycle is over!

[MelissaLovesPugs]

Hi Melissa,

If you scroll up a little bit in this thread you will see where Scooter got AF when her temps were still high. So yea it can happen but could this just PG-related spotting for you? I hope so! If not, at least your long cycle is over!

Oh, thank you for the heads up! :o I should have read through a bit more, but with 37 pages I figure I'd catch up later after DD goes to bed. :) I am not 100% sure on the spotting. It is still fairly light but def. reddish now & getting heavier then it had been the past 2 days.

[NotDesperate]

Oh that's ok! I often post something that has already been answered! Sorry about the spotting...

[FoxyBlue]

I am wondering how common it is to start AF with temps still above coverline?

I remember at least one cycle where my temp didn't drop for a day or two.

[ktina0803]

My temps never used to do that until just recently and now the tend to stay up for a day or two and then drop. It freaked me out the first time it happened. This month it dropped yesterday but then went right back up this morning. I am curious to see what it does tomorrow. Does anyone know why this happens?

[NotDesperate]

Question for all you charters. What dpo, in a BFN cycle, does your temp usually drop? Just looking for opinions. I know, based on the above question, that for some it doesn't drop until after AF. Last cycle, my temp dropped on 12dpo and I got spotting. This cycle I am now on 12dpo and my temp rose but I am trying not to get excited. Just wondering what a typical cycle is like for you all! ;)

[LauraPerg]

Laura, what ever happened with you?

Hey, I've been on vacation and just made my way back. My temps started dropping on dpo 14 and continued until AF arrived on dpo 16. I was definitely disappointed, but we aren't actively TTC, so it wasn't as big of a deal for me as it is for some of you TTCers. It did give me a good dose of "the bug" though, so maybe we'll start soon!

Sorry about your cycle, that's so disappointing!! Good luck on this one though! :D

[a_spark]

OMG, NotDesperate! Test already! :D

[NotDesperate]

LOL @ Spark!

I did test this morning when I saw my temp rose again but it was a BFN :( :( :(

Seriously bummed as I thought 12dpo was not too early and I also used a First Response.

I'm scared to test tomorrow......

[ktina0803]

Would someone look at my chart (actually #3 and #4) and tell me what you think. My temp dropped below the coverline once but then went right back up. It has been a week now, usually it stays below by now. TIA

The link is in my sig.

[sea74]

ktina: Not sure exactly what you're asking, but your #3 and #4 charts look okay to me. If it's your temps this month you're wondering about, all I can say is my coverline changes nearly every month.

Not Desperate: Just a thought because you did have four temps over the coverline, do you think that maybe you did not O until CD17? Otherwise your chart did look really hopeful.
If you change the "method" setting to "fertility awareness" (that's way TCOYF uses) does it change your O date at all?

[NotDesperate]

Sea, I guess it's possible to have O'ed on CD17 but if I did then our timing pretty much sucks. I did get +OPKs before CD14 and also had a lot of CM then so I hope it was CD14 but who knows. Thanks though, I hadn't thought of that. I don't know how to change my method setting...? Also, so what do the 4 temps above the coverline (pre-O) mean?
Thanks! :)

[sea74]

Not Desperate: If you got a +OPK before CD14 then I'm sure your O date is correct. I didn't see the +OPK when I clicked on your link :) Here is was FF says about Fertility Awareness Method:

The Fertility Awareness Detector is based on the Fertility Awareness Method (FAM) as it is widely published (ovulation is detected after 3 temperatures above the previous 6) with some enhancements. This detector is best suited to those with regular chart patterns who are already familiar with this method.
It's just another way to set your chart. With that being said, I think the OPK is a great predictor of your O date.

On your FF screen there's the "ovulation Detector" box. In the box it will tell you when your O was detected. Under that it will say Method: Advanced. Under the box there is a box that says "Turning/override." If you click on that you can change the setting and see if your O date stays the same or changes using the other methods.

[NotDesperate]

Oh ok, thanks Sea. I changed it to FAM but none of my data changed. I guess I did O on CD14. I never entered the +OPK I guess. Oops!
Today is 13dpo and I got another BFN. Wouldn't it show up by now on an HPT?

[sea74]

I would think at bfp would show up 95% of the time at 13 dpo. BUT! it's not over 'til it's over! I know it's hard to keep going through all this waiting. Waiting to ovulate. Waiting to test. Waiting to finally get pregnant. It's pretty crappy isn't it? Try and hang in there!!!!

[NotDesperate]

Yes it is pretty crappy! I went into this so naive! :(

[ktina0803]

Sea74 - Thanks! Mine usually stay pretty much in the same pattern, but my body has been doing weired things lately.

[FoxyBlue]

Honestly ND, I've heard of and known people who never got positive tests- WHILE pregnant. My chiropractor's secretary didn't get a positive till 7 months, I think.

It's not common, it's just that a negative is less 'for-sure' than a positive. So yes, it's possible that you are going to have a temp drop and then AF, but it's also still very possible that you *could* be pregnant. Not everyone's body cooperates with testing.

Are you getting anything at all, even after the test has sat?

[NotDesperate]

Foxy, thanks for your reply! I check the tests several times and not even a faint line. :( I know I am not out yet but I guess I was so sure that by now it would show up but I guess that is not the case! Last month my temps were crashed by 12dpo and I also had spotting by then. This month my temps are still up and not even spotting yet. I do have weird cramps though that are different from AF and much higher so I am so hoping it is from being PG! If it doesn't happen, I know people wait much longer than this. It just sucks and I can't help throw my own pity party every month. :o

ETA: Does dipping a test that is the POAS kind make any kind of difference? I usually dip but I follow the directions....

[ktina0803]

NotDesperate - I am keeping my fingers crossed for you!

[NotDesperate]

Thank you! :)

[mkvh]

NotDesperate--As long as you dip for the correct amount of time, it shouldn't matter. I always dipped. Usually, there are instructions for dipping even in the POAS test.

FWIW, I think it's possible you Od as late as CD17. While your CM pattern doesn't exactly coincide, it's possible. Which would mean that the BFNs were at 9, 10, and 11 DPO...which is definitely early . With both of my pgcys, I tested BFN at 9 or 10 DPO and then BFP at 4 or 5 days later. I completely agree with the others who said that's one PG looking chart!

ETA: I just read back about the +OPK. Are you SURE that it was +? 'Cause that pretty much rules out a CD17 O UNLESS you geared up to O, didn't, then Od a couple days later....

[NotDesperate]

Well I am not 100% sure. I didn't start using OPKs until CD12 b/c I thought that was far too early for me as I usually O late but I was getting faint lines. However as time went out, they got fainter and then would get no test line. So I think that I caught the tail end of a surge. What do you think?

[FoxyBlue]

Eeek! I was almost afraid to come check but you're still up there!

I hope this is the cycle for you. :)

[NotDesperate]

Thanks Foxy! I am afriad to temp every morning. Just a bundle of nerves and saying in my head over and over, "Please be up, please be up."

[mkvh]

Katie--Okay, I am now pretty much convinced you should disregard the OPKs and that you Od later (CD17). Hang in there!

[sea74]

Katie--Okay, I am now pretty much convinced you should disregard the OPKs and that you Od later (CD17). Hang in there!

I agree with this, it seems you did not get a truly +opk.
Not Desperate I think you Oed later than FF is telling you. If you are not PG this cycle maybe invest in a CBEFM or get a digital OPK so there's no guess work over -/+ opks. Sometimes it's so hard to tell if those lines are equal in darkness or not.

[linekelei]

ND-I think you probably ovulated on day 17, not day 14. With your temps going up but being pretty even for days 15-17, and then a rise on 18, ovulation on day 17 would make sense. When I am charting, I get the same pattern-a low dip in temp a few days before ovulation, a slight rise, and then a bigger jump after I finally ovulate. Also, fertility friend is notorious for being off on ovulation dates. I almost always manually adjusted mine based on my CM and ovulation cramping, which never corresponded exactly right to my temperature rise.

[NotDesperate]

Thanks everyone for your feedback! I think I agree now that it was CD17 as well. I never heard of a digital OPK but I am off to google one now. If not, I am going to buy a bunch of OPKs and use them twice a day starting like as soon as my period ends! I really want a CBEFM but I shouldn't spend the money! BTW, I started spotting today and got another BFN. :( I do believe I am out again this month, darn it.

[linekelei]

ND-It's probably just because you ovulated on day 17 and you're timing wasn't all that great. If it makes you feel any better, it took us 9 cycles. I started fertility testing after the 6th cycle and the only thing that could have been a problem was a blocked tube, but my doctor isn't even convinced that it was blocked (it may have just spasmed during the HSG test). I spent a lot of months crying, too, after about the 4th month of a BFN. If anything, you might just want to buy the CBEFM. It's not perfect (the cycle I got pregnant, it gave me a bunch of highs but I never got a peak), but it will give you a better idea as to when you will ovulate. And in the long run, if you use two OPKs a day, the price will be about the same.

Good luck!

[MMHinCA]

Anyone want to check out my chart and see if they agree with FF?

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/c14c1

[mkvh]

MMH--Based on your data, it's either CD13 or 14. CD13 violates the 3 over 6 rule, but it's only that one temp... Either way, your timing looks good, and it's only a day's difference. Good luck in the 2ww!

ND--Sorry about the spotting :( I know it's easy to get discouraged. BUT--remember that you need to keep BDing until you've confirmed ovulation with a sustained temp rise AND a CM dry-up. Even taking OPKs religiously won't guarantee that you don't stop BDing too soon. And even with perfect timing you only have about a 20% chance of conceiving each cycle!

[MMHinCA]

mkvh: I have to ask... what is the 3 over 6 rule?

[mkvh]

To confirm ovulation, "the rules" (I forget which ones specifically) state that you should have a sustained temp rise. You draw the coverline at .1 over your highest temp from O day thru 5 days prior and then you must have 3 consecutive temps above that CL. That's my paraphrase, and I'm rusty... You can use the "rule of thumb" to disregard one outlying higher temp in the 6, which is what you would have to do with a CD 13 O but not with a CD 14 O b/c your CL would be higher with a CD 14 O. Make sense? Again, I'm rusty at explaining, so I'm sure that someone else could make it clearer...

[FoxyBlue]

If you do get AF, have a Chocolatini for me! lol There is an upside to no BFP :)

But I will have my fingers crossed for the itty bitty chance left, as well as for next month! (Possible December baby?!)

[MelissaLovesPugs]

Thanks everyone for your feedback! I think I agree now that it was CD17 as well. I never heard of a digital OPK but I am off to google one now. If not, I am going to buy a bunch of OPKs and use them twice a day starting like as soon as my period ends! I really want a CBEFM but I shouldn't spend the money! BTW, I started spotting today and got another BFN. :( I do believe I am out again this month, darn it.

ND, so sorry to hear about the spotting! :( I did spot some with my DD though...so it isn't over til it's over. :)

If you have any money available in a flexible spending account, it looked like drugstore.com sells the CBEFM and it is FSA eligible. Just an FYI. I bought pre-seed & some digital preg tests from drugstore.com (for confirming my internet cheapy bfp whenever that may be) using our FSA account. I too am going to use OPKs for a couple more months and if that doesn't work will look into the CBEFM later. I was testing 2x a day last cycle, and continued for a couple days (while monitoring temps) with negatives just to make sure it wasn't another surge with no O.

Have you ever tried Ovusoft charting software? They have a 15 day trial. I didn't like it at first, then I got used to it and paid the $30 to keep it. I had a disk that came with the book TCOYF, but you can also download it. Their charts go by the FAM principles. I like having both though. (Weird thing about FF-- even when I switched my settings to FAM, it didn't change a thing and was still diff. then Ovusoft.)

Good luck!

[NotDesperate]

Foxy, a chocolatini sounds good, lol!

Mkvh, thank you. I am bidding on a CBEFM now!

[first-time mom]

coming in from the sidelines to say I have been following along with you ND. I too have been TTC for about 6 cycles I think we started at the same time:) I too havent fallen pregnant. But I wanted to put my .2 cents in on the CBEFM.

I bought mine in 2005 and used it for one cycle and got pregnant with DD.

I have used it for about 5 cycles so far and havent fallen pregnant yet:( So even with perfect timing it still just hasnt happened:( I hear ya on getting bummed each month its hard.

But I love the CBEFM, it has given me my highs and peaks each month so I know I am ovulating and when:) Good luck to u.

Back to the sidelines:)

Do u have livejournal? I do and that is where I post the most if u do let me know I will add ya:)

[NotDesperate]

Hi First-time-mom!

Well I won the CBEFM so hopefully it will help us out this month! I hope we have the same beginners luck with it as you did the first time around!

Yes I am on LJ, my name is Sweets2005, friend me! :)

[lindybug]

What do you ladies think of this?

We are not TTC. I am usually pretty regular, O'ing on CD 13/14. My FF chart told me I had O'd on CD 13 this month, so I figured day 16 was "safe." Well this morning (CD 18) I enter my temp and FF tells me they have changed my O date to CD 16! So of course now I am freaking out.

Looking at the chart, what do you think: MY CHART (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/99db2)?

[MelissaLovesPugs]

lindybug- I think 13 or 14 looks more likely to me, based on the temps and rise. Do you have any cm info to add, maybe that would help FF figure things out?

[mkvh]

lindy--Without CM, it's hard to tell. If you had a dry-up that corresponded with the CD 14 O, I'd be convinced (as would FF, I would think). You definitely have a significant enough temp jump on CD 14 (NOT 13), and the lower CL makes more sense with the previous chart you're showing. CD 16 still is cutting it a little close for comfort with UDD for TTA rules, though I forget exactly what they are...

[lindybug]

Thanks, MelissaLovesPugs and mkvh, for your thoughts. I don't really track my CM, so I can't help there. I agree, looking at the chart, that CD 14 might make more sense as an O date. And yes, we may have cut it a little close by BDing on CD 16 anyway, but I didn't think it was DAY OF O close!

This is going to be a long 2 weeks. LOL

[ambula704]

Hey all you wise chart readers! Can someone look at my chart in my signature and tell me they think I have ovulated or am still going to? I am on my 2nd cycle off the Nuvaring (BC) and I know things will be wacky...but Im ready to go ahead and ovulate (we are trying to avoid.) Anyway, my temp went up high that ONE day and since then has gone back down...but I did have alot of EWCM...which you can see. I still havent "dried up" either, so I dont know if I am still going to ovulate or what...

Help!

[heather1029]

Hey Amber,

I don't think you Oed yet. You need at least three temps higher than the previous five, and while one of the temps got high, it went back down on CD 16 & 17. Ovulation could be today, though!

[dec27bride]

Hi girls-
Can you take a look at my chart? http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/9e33f Don't you think I o'd on cd24? I don't see why I'm not getting crosshairs, maybe b/c a lot of my pre-o temps were around what my 'post-o' (according to me) temps are?
Thanks for your input!

[dec27bride]

Never mind! When I put in today's temp, it did go back in and give me crosshairs for cd24. :)

[Reenie]

Does my chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1002c9) look triphasic to you or am I too hopeful?

(note: I have been charting for 32 cycles; I typically use TCOYF software, which is downloaded onto my home PC and does not have internet anymore; I put this info in FF to share my chart, but FF set my O date for April 16 [TCOYF said April 14]. I coverline is always 97.6 so I did an override on FF, esp. based on my CM patterns, but if you think my/TCOYF's projected O date is wrong, please tell me. We BD'd April 11, 13, 14, and I took HPTs, both negative on Sunday and Tuesday [way early... 6 and 8 DPO if I have my O date correct]. Also, I realize that I am missing many temps early on, but I know I hadn't O'd yet, and we were remodeling our bathroom, so we weren't staying at home).

What do you all think?

[Scooter]

Your chart looks good! The last two temps do look like it's started to go triphasic, so that's hopeful. :) Although I have to caution that triphasic doesn't *always* lead to a BFP. I think the O date makes sense, more sense than FF's date. FF relies more on temperature, but TCOYF takes CM more into account, as it should.

Missing early temps aren't such a big deal when you've been charting awhile and know when you're getting close to ovulation. My chart in my sig has only 1 or 2 real pre-O temps--I just filled in a couple fake ones to give me the crosshairs! ;) Oh, and that one went triphasic, too.

[Reenie]

Thanks, Scooter, for the input and for backing up my thoughts regarding my O date (which I really started to wonder about after I changed it). A few more days should hopefully get me an answer...

[dusthappy]

Be prepared, if AF doesn't show today I am going to be posting my chart. Actually, nevermind, i am posting it anyways. Last month I had a 19 day cycle. Ovulated at day 15, so I had a super short luteal phase. This month I ovulated at cd12, am currently on day 19 so I am looking for interpretation. Here is my chart:
http://www.fertilityfriend.com/ttc/index.php

Thanks in advance! Oh for the record, on day 5 dpo I had some very light spotting and cramping, I thought AF was going to show up

[Reenie]

Dusthappy That link doesn't show your chart. Sorry. :(

[Scooter]

dusthappy, you've got to go to your chart, click "sharing" and choose "homepage setup." Select how you want your chart viewed. At the top of that same page you'll see the url of your chart--post that link for us instead.

[indie_girl01]

I normally have a 31 day cycle and ovulate around CD17.

FF thinks its CD22. Can you help me figure this out?

Thanks in advance for your help.
Chart Here (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3129/2443086829_28fd6bb0da.jpg?v=0)

[Reenie]

indie_girl01 It's hard for me to tell because you have that really high temp there on CD 18 and then no temps at all for a few days thereafter. By CM patterns, it would seem that you ovulated around CD 17 or 18, but your temps are really wacky... are they typically like that, or were you ill/running a fever?

[dusthappy]

see if it works this way:http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/makingbaby4

[Mystikal]

Dustie lookin' good! But I think you ovulated a day later than FF says. Day 13 O corresponds better with your temp rise and your CM dry up. Good luck! I'm favoriting (is that a word?) your chart! lol.

[indie_girl01]

Thanks Reenie. I had taken that "high" temp in the evening, that's possibly why its so high. I should discard it.

Thanks for your input.

[Reenie]

Dusty That chart is looking great so far!

indie_girl Sorry I couldn't help you more... you might try discarding that temp as you said in your last post and see what happens from there.

[dusthappy]

Anybody want to stalk again? I had another temp drop this morning, but in my charts defense, I had already gotten up, used the bathroom and gotten a drink of water.

[Mystikal]

Dustie Congrats. ;)

[ambula704]

Can someone help me interpret my chart??

First of all, I normally ovulate around day 17 (I say normally...Ive only been charting for about 4 months, so what is normal!?) But this month I supposedly did at day 12?? Well, we are TTA-sort of...we arent trying but I also know I am could have gotten pregnant even though he pulled out on days 8 & 10 (sorry, way TMI!) Anyway, I keep spotting and thinking its my period because it starts out as brown, then a bit of red, then back to brown, then nothing...all in about 3 hours. So now Im wondering if my period is coming...or if I could be pregnant. I spotted on 9 DPO and 12 DPO...no feeling that a period is coming but also no pregnancy symptoms! I took a test yesterday, it was negative.

Either way, Im tired of this roller coaster. First I think I could be pregnant and get worred, as we are TTA, then get excited because we would love a surprise, then get bummed again because I think AF is here, then confused because it turns into spotting. Help!

[KRL626]

AMBULA- Well I do agree with your O date. Your temp could be on the way down, but your BFN could also have been too early. I'd say if your temp goes back up tomorrow or stays the same, try another test. FYI, my DH and I were charting to TTA exactly 3 years ago, but made a few slip ups and ended up with a beautiful January surprise! So I know exactly what you are going through, wanting it but not wanting it at the same time! Good Luck!

[ambula704]

Thanks KRL! I think I WANT it to show Im pregnant...haha, but at the same time we werent trying and we arent planning to try for a few months, so I wont be too upset. I just hate that I dont understand my body!

Anyone else care to interpret!?

[Smilin13]

Ambula> How confident are you on your CM checking? I can see why FF called O on day 12...you had EWCM on CD 10 and 11 then went to just straight C for practically the rest of your cycle.

*ponders* I'm no expert by any stretch of the imagination, but that seems completely backwards from your previous cycle.

I don't know that I have any real good interpretation for you *laughs* But I was wondering about the CM....because I think that is the definite reason that FF called O on CD 12.....your temps would lead me to think it was later, but when you add CM.....it does look like CD 12.

*giggles* You'll find out soon though ;-)

[ambula704]

Smilin-
Well, I feel pretty confident that I DID have EWCM those two days...and I agree it seemed really early. But I didnt see any more any other day. Even when I had a TINY bit of EWCM I was marking it as that, since it is the most fertile. I didnt agree with my O date at first either...but Im with you, I guess time will tell. I keep getting negatives on my pregnancy tests...but maybe its because I o'ed later and Im not that far into it yet? Who knows! Thanks for your help!!

[Scooter]

Ambula, your CM pattern doesn't show it, but you might not have O'd until cd17. Several reasons make me think that's possible:
1. That's when your chart became more biphasic. With a cd12 O date, that means the last 6 temps were NOT below the coverline, which is a TCOYF rule.

2. Your coverline is way too low with a cd12 O. It's 97.2 but last month was 97.6. They don't usually vary much, if at all. With a cd17 O, the coverline would be 97.6.

3. When you put those two facts together, it just happens to match up with your previous cycles, when you also O'd on cd17. That's more likely than the O date moving around so much.

[ambula704]

Scooter,
Thanks so much for your input! I agree with you, that Im not sure I O'd on day 12 because of the temps. After FF said that I actually had to re-read sections of TCOYF because I didnt understand what was going on. Day 17 sounds much better.

I am still spotting, but no full AF yet. I guess I will have to continue to wait and see? I still think AF will show, but since I dont know when I O'd its hard to know when she will make her visit!



I went back and did the manual override on FF...so now Im thinking if my period comes today or tomorrow (like I am feeling) I have the problem of a too short luteal phase...IF I did ovulate on day 17. Ugh! Not to mention the spotting, which my doctor was not happy about...looks like Im going to have to give her a call about this possible LPD...

[JMD]

I am temping again this cycle because I'm supposed to have a progesterone test at 7 dpo...the PROBLEM is, I have no idea when I actually O'd (or if I have yet).

I know that there is a thermal shift on my chart, but I am a very light sleeper and have been waking up at odd times. So, I'm thinking that my higher temps are caused by my sleeping, not ovulation. I think that because I am having lots of O pain today and my CP is still High. If I take Monday and Tuesday's temps out - it says I haven't O'd yet. We BD'd today just in case...but that doesn't solve my problem of figuring out when 7 dpo is for my progesterone test...HELP! Do you think I've O'd yet, or could I be O'ing today? Thanks!

[tealynn]

Can you take another OPK? Based on your CM and ++opks, it looks like you've O'ed, but if you take another one today and it comes up positive then I'd say keep on BDing. Without another completed chart to compare it to, it's hard to tell.

When you've charted in the past, what CD have you O'ed?

[JMD]

I will take an OPK when I get home from work, this afternoon. The question about when I usually O - that is the million dollar Q...ever since I became an attorney and started working in a super stressful environment, my O has been all over the place.

I can O anywhere from CD16 to CD21. Today is CD21. The last two cycles I O'd on CD21. Sorry none of my old temperature charts are showing up...I cancelled my paid subscription to FF awhile ago so that must be what's wrong. Thanks for your reply.

[JMD]

Yeah, the OPK was negative. The O pain is slowly subsiding. It really feels like I O'd today (despite my temps). I think I would rather play it safe and assume I O'd today for the purposes of my progesterone test...I'll tell my doc that I'm either 7 or 9 dpo. I don't want to freak out about a low level if it isn't really low because I'm only 5 or 6 dpo. I'll watch my temps and talk to the doc Friday or Monday. Thanks for your help.

[Smilin13]

So I'm not really asking a question about my chart per se.....but about charting in general.


I'm in my 7th cycle of charting, and at the end of cycle 6, my work scheduled changed making it necessary for me to wake up an hour earlier than I normally had been.
Well this entire cycle my temps are just wacky, they are lower (to be expected) and instead of occasional spikes up, they spike down. It's been almost 3 weeks since I started temping earlier and it doesn't seem to be as 'nice' as it used to.

My question is has anyone else changed their wake up time and how long until your temps seemed to equal out?

Thanks.

[JMD]

Smilin: I have changed temping times sometimes and never really thought about the effect it would have on my temps. I'm sorry they aren't as nice. Are you still able to see a pattern? If so, then it doesn't really matter. Other than being lower, I don't think it would effect things. Maybe you aren't sleeping as well or something. Sorry I can't be of more help - as you can see from above, I'm not expert.

[jmvan74]

Smilin: I have changed temping times sometimes and never really thought about the effect it would have on my temps. I'm sorry they aren't as nice. Are you still able to see a pattern? If so, then it doesn't really matter. Other than being lower, I don't think it would effect things. Maybe you aren't sleeping as well or something. Sorry I can't be of more help - as you can see from above, I'm not expert.

(Bolding mine) This is what I was thinking, too. Not only did the time you temp change, but your sleep pattern changed, too. It's probably having an effect on your chart. :(
I haven't changed my temp time too much, but I do notice larger swings in temp when I'm not getting a good night's sleep. Good luck!

[Smilin13]

I guess part of me is also frustrated that my O dates are seeming to get later and later. And right now I'm on CD 23 and with my temps fluctuating like they have been I don't see how I can call an O. *laughs* I don't think I've had a stretch of 4 days without a dip or spike.

But I think ultimately you are right....I'm probably not getting as good of a nights sleep as I used to.

Hopefully my body will adjust sometime in the next cycle or two *oh the drama* *laughs* And I can get back to thinking I know what I'm doing.

Thanks for your input.

:)

[JMD]

Smilin: Sorry about the later and later O dates! I so know that frustration. I used to always O on CD16. Since last October I have started O'ing any time between CD16 and CD21. It is impossible to time anything and DH and I are exhausted from trying to time everything perfectly. I wish my body would stabilize.

Are you under significant stress? I ask because I think that is what is causing my crazy O timing. My O started jumping around after I started the job I work at now. I'm thinking of getting weekly massages and trying other stress releasors next month if we aren't PG this time around.

Good luck!

[Reenie]

Okay, I would set my O date for CD 14, but then FF changed it today to CD 13 and now I'm sort of wondering... what do you think? (Link in sig) Oh, the obsession!

[JMD]

Reenie: Hmmm, I'm not positive, but maybe your temp was slow rising and you did O on CD13 or the fact that you had such a large temp dip on CD13 made it take longer for your temp to climb after O.

I agree with the dotted cross hairs because it isn't clear. But I can see why FF may be giving you CD13. Temps can be so confusing!

[Reenie]

Thanks, JMD.

To make matters worse, my TCOYF/Ovusoft sets it for CD 15. So I'm either 8 DPO (TCOYF), 9 DPO (personal interpretation), or 10 DPO (FF). Kind of makes knowing when to test annoying....

[JMD]

Haha, I'm right there with you - seriously - postive OPK Sunday, temp rise and positive OPK Monday (but temp was probably due to bad sleep and my Tuesday temp was messed up by DH setting his alarm at a weird time), THEN awful O pain Tuesday night and all day Wednesday. So I am anywhere between 8 and 11 dpo today. So annoying!

[ambula704]

I ask way too many questions in this thread, I need to stop overanalyzing!! However...

Can someone help interpret my chart...we have moved to TTC after avoiding for 3 months. Now I am wondering if I ovulated on day 17 (which is when I usually do) or if I o'ed on day 15, like FF is saying.

I did NOT have a positive OPK...but after doing them for 6 days I did get the darkest reading on CD 16, so thats why I put that there. I kept testing and went from getting a darkish line to no line at all...

The reason Im really wanting to know when I O'ed is so that I can start to test early...my doc wants me to come in as soon as I get a positive to check progesterone levels since Ill be out of down when typical "7 days after O" testing would occur.

Anyway, I think I would draw my coverline higher, according to TCOYF...but FF likes it low. What do you girls think?? Im leaving for vacation and will not be temping (want to relax!) so until them Im going back and forth about when to test.

Thanks in advance! Chart is in sig...

[Scooter]

ambula, hmm, that's a confusing one! On one hand, O on cd15 makes sense because your coverline would continue to be around 97.6 (except one odd high temp on cd12, but I'm looking at the overall pattern here). Also, it would fit better with your CM pattern. CM can vary, more for some people than others. Has the weather been warmer at your house lately? I kind of wonder if you are one of those people who have a slightly higher coverline in the warmer months than in the winter.

OTOH, O on cd17 works with your other fertility signs. It matches up with your CP, your OPK, your previous O dates, and you also have some O spotting there. I'm torn, but slightly leaning toward cd17. I'd probably mark cd17 but start testing a little early just in case. If you get some cheapie internet tests or some dollar store tests, you could start testing on 7 or 8dpo. ;)

[ambula704]

Thank you Scooter! Thats what I was thinking, but I guess I needed another opinion, ya know? I was really banking on O'ing on day 17 so we took Wednesday off...and now Im hoping that didnt hurt us!

Anyway, thanks for your help!

[manda_kate]

This is my first time charting, and I began mid-cycle since that is when I got all the necessary knowledge and materials. You ladies are so helpful, and I am actually looking forward to my next period so I can have a full cycle to look at! If it wasn't for you awesome ladies on here, I never would have known about any of this.
Just wanted to toot some horns. :)

[iheartjustin]

Hi all,

I just wanted to say hi and introduce myself. I am starting charting this month, so I am sure I will be around with questions, etc. I'm so happy this thread exists.

--Jenni :)

[sea74]

iheartjustin: Hope you're successful soon :D
You should check out this TTC w/charting thread. http://www.constantchatter.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40257

[iheartjustin]

Sea Thank you! We're not officially starting until the Fall, so I'm just getting a leg up with the charting early. I will check out the thread you suggest. Thank you! :)

[PeanutButter]

This is our second month TTC, but only my first month charting. Yesterday, FF changed my coverline and O date from CD15 to CD17.

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/20d765

I guess I am wondering if that seems correct? Because it's my first month, I am not 100% confident in my CM analysis... particularly at the end. Also, if I switch to "research" mode, it goes back to CD15.

Any thoughts from more expert charters? I suppose it doesn't matter TOO much, but our BD timing was much better for a O date of CD 15!

[mkvh]

I agree with FF. Especially since you admit you're not sure of your CM interpretation. The temps CLEARLY show a CD17 O.

And FWIW, your BD pattern is nearly spot-on mine from the cycle during which DD1 was conceived!

[PeanutButter]

Thanks, mkvh!

I hope I have the same luck as you!!

[NotDesperate]

I have a question about my chart, why is there a countdown on there counting down from 5 to 1 on the day I should expect AF? Thanks!

[Loud_curly]

ND - I actually think that's the countdown to test day, based on your past cycle history. (I believe the default for a first cycle is 19 DPO.) So, the best odds of you being pg are if you make it to day 0 w/o AF arriving. (Although it can also be viewed as a countdown to AF.) Of course, I could never hold out that long to test! Good luck - your chart is certainly pretty so far!

[NotDesperate]

Thanks Loud Curly, I thought that is what it meant. Oh and I have had really pretty charts before only for them to turn ugly on 13 or 14dpo so I stopped getting excited about them, but thank you anyway! :)

[Blondie]

I'm desperate! Can someone help me figure out my chart? I am having weird temps and I don't know what to make of it. I am still having some fertile looking CM but in a weird sporadic way, like one day I'll have EW and the next nothing and then watery and then nothing etc. I keep thinking I'm going to O, but my temps suggest otherwise. Is this normal? My other chart was so easy, so now I'm all :confused:

[Mystikal]

Blondie I'm guessing from your FF bio that you haven't been on any hormonal birth control? At least for a long while? Have you been sick recently or under any stress? That could possibly delay O. The cycle I got pg this time I was dealing with a lot of family stress and I didn't O until CD23. FWIW I don't think you o'ed until CD20 last cycle. Since we can only see two cycles worth of charts I don't know if that's normal for you or not? There's a chance this may be an annov cycle for you...

[Blondie]

You know what? I was also convinced that I O'd on CD20 last cycle too. I just went along with the FF thing but I always called myself on one less DPO than they did. I was using all of my TCOYF knowledge to make that interpretation. ;)

I have been off and on bcp for the last year. I was on it and got accidentally pg TWICE and had chemical's both times. One in October and one in January. THen I missed a month of bcp. Then I started taking it again for a couple of months and then I quit for good and started charting on May 1st. Maybe the hormones are making my cycle really weird. I thought the first cycle was pretty straightforward even though it was a slightly late O. At any rate, I felt all the signals were clear even though I didn't agree with FF's O date. This time, I am all confused! I am stressing out but nothing major. It's natural to stress over this stuff a little right? I am working a LOT (like I have ONE day off until July 14th :rolleyes:) and my job is physically demanding most days. So maybe that is contributing to stress a little even though I love my job and it's not something I generally stress over. It just takes a toll on my feet! ;) Thank you for your advice though and for checking it out. I know it's hard since I don't have enough charts to compare anything too. I guess I should relax.

[manda_kate]

This is only my 2nd cycle charting, but I was wondering if anyone else thinks I o'd on day 16, not day 15. I think the temp shift makes much more sense for that day! Link to my chart is in my sig!

[Mystikal]

Manda_Kate definitely. Your thermal shift and CM dry up correspond much better with a CD16 O. FF is just really wacky sometimes.

Blondie If you've been on and off BCP recently there is a chance that it will take a while for your cycles to regulate on their own. When I went off BCP it took me 9 months for my cycles to get "normal". (Of course, I was on the pill for three years.) It is completely normal to have one "regular" cycle followed by an annov, or one with a late O. Hang in there! :)

[manda_kate]

Thanks Mystikal. I thought I had the hang of it enough to understand, it looked pretty obvious to me! I wonder why FF put it there. Oh, well!

[Mystikal]

Thanks Mystikal. I thought I had the hang of it enough to understand, it looked pretty obvious to me! I wonder why FF put it there. Oh, well!

Because FF likes to smoke crack. ;) :D

[manda_kate]

Ah, so that's the reason. Should've guessed that one! :)

[Blondie]

mystikal- Thanks for the advice but aww man, that wasn't what I wanted to hear for sure! ;) I appreciate the input though, because I was kind of figuring that going off the bcp probably had something to do with this. I just didn't know it would be normal one cycle and wacky the next. The funny thing is I was totally expecting my last cycle to be completely wonky and it wasn't that bad. And since I wasn't expecting anything from that one, I was a LOT more relaxed about it.

Because FF likes to smoke crack

LOL! :D

[Reenie]

Ugh, I don't know WTH is up with this chart. My TCOYF says I'm still pre-O (sorry, it's not online), but my FF chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1002c9) says I O'd. My BB's certainly hurt like they do during my LP... I don't trust my CM analysis too well this month, either... I just haven't had very much at all, of any quality. I have also been known, in 35+ cycles, to O anywhere from CD 13 to 20. GAH, please help interpret...

[Mystikal]

How funny, I was just stalking your chart earlier. lol. ;)

I do see a thermal shift, but I wouldn't say it happened until CD13 (with a CL of 97.3). As far as your CM (or lack thereof) if you aren't hydrated enough that can mess with quantity...not sure if that could be the case or not.

Either way, good luck! :D

[Reenie]

Thanks, Mystikal. I was actually going closer to FF's interpretation than Ovusoft on this one, too (for once). Been drinking plenty of fluids, but I've also been sweating A LOT :o so maybe that has something to do with it.

[MMHinCA]

Would you girls mind looking at my chart and let me know what day you think I O'd?

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/c14c1

[Reenie]

Hiya, MMHinCA. I think FF has your O date correct, and here's why:
1) You have the three over six pattern.
2) Your CM pattern jives with it.
3) Your OPK positives jive with it.
:D Good luck!

[jesseybell]

I think it is either right or the next day. I haven't temped in a while so I would always manually put in O as my second Peak day on the monitor (looking back at the 3 cycles I did temp with the monitor, my dip was on the second peak day, 2 of which I got pregnant) - I think you've got your bases covered well - I got pg last year with DTD only on my first Peak Day.

My Experience with the Monitor (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/cd4f1)

[manda_kate]

Any ideas why my temps keep going up and down? 2 previous cycles have been pretty textbook, all the standard signs of temp shifts, EWCM, etc. both ovulating on CD 16. I thought with my temp shift yesterday, I might have had an early O, but then it went back down today. It's been a weird one for me this cycle so far!

[Mystikal]

manda_kate sometimes you just have a wacky cycle. It looks like your fertile CM just started up, so you may O late this month...have you been under any stress, lost or gained any significant amount of weight, or had your sleep pattern messed up?

[manda_kate]

Nope, nothing has been different this month. I guess we'll just have to wait and see when the eggie comes! :)

[2kCougar]

My chart seems to be inconclusive:
http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/21c4e5
FF has my date on the 27th, I had a + OPK on the 24th, and TCOYF says that I O'ed on 22nd. I wish they were a little bit closer. Any opinions?

[heather1029]

2kCougar: It looks like you Oed right where you've got the dotted line. Did you continue to use OPKs after getting the negative? Sometimes you can get a few positives (and a few negatives) before getting a really dark positive the day you ovulate. Your temps definitely indicate an O date of the 27th.

[2kCougar]

Heather--I didn't test after b/c I had oral surgery on the 25th. Nothing was going to happen after that! ;)

Thanks for looking! I may try the digital OPK this month just so I don't have to worry about determining how dark or light the line is. Last month was a trial-run just to see where everything fell.

[mkvh]

Your chart looks good to me, too! Remember NOT to take OPKs