Members of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy

[JillyBean]

Welcome to the Members of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy!

We had a similar thread running on the other site, and I thought it would be fun to bring it over here. This is the place for all Republicans of the CC to enjoy, comment, and gather.

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[Sposa06]

Glad to see this thread! I'll have more to say later, I'm sure :) - in the meantime, thanks for having started this!

[WisWis]

I'm glad to finally see a thread for the conservatives among us! I'll be back for sure!

[Abby'sMom]

Glad to see the thread made its way over here. It's been awfully liberal 'round these parts... ;)

[Atlanta_eBride]

I'm dancing on in here in my red shoes!

[keska]

Generally, I don't identify myself as right wing or left wing. Maybe because I come from a Southern Baptist family raised in a blue state, I'm a bit of a mix. However, I'm feeling very right wing after the abortion thread and the Christian nanny thread, so I'm going to check in here too.

[mrs_pell]

I'm here!

btw...is this font able to be seen by people? I guess my regular orange was difficult for some people to see on their monitors. :(

[jp'swife]

Oh my my!! What is this??? VRWC on CC? Very nice! You know I'm here!
:D :D

(formally jp'sbride)

[mrs_pell]

Oh my my!! What is this??? VRWC on CC? Very nice! You know I'm here!
:D :D

Ack! You are SOOOO close to having that little 'publican!! :D Any hint of him coming yet??

[JillyBean]

I'm so glad everyone is excited about this thread. Hopefully we'll all learn alot :) Welcome to the old members and newbies :)

Oh my my!! What is this??? VRWC on CC? Very nice! You know I'm here! :D :D
Jill! I hope it's ok that I started the thread here. I can't wait for your little guy to make his apperance!

[LDS Angel 19]

I lurked like crazy in this thread on the WC, so I'll expose myself this time.

It's very funny actually, I was just (like, minutes ago) talking to my friend Tiffany (LylMyssChaos on WC) on the phone about how CC is so overrun with liberals that there isen't even a VRWC thread. I feel like calling her back and telling her there is one now. Thanks for starting this!


Yes, we are huge nerds and talk about WC/CC happenings on the phone and in person....

[jp'swife]

Jill! I hope it's ok that I started the thread here. I can't wait for your little guy to make his apperance!

Hey Jilly! it's totally fine with me! I'm happy to see it over here!!
I can't wait till Alex comes either....hopefully soon!!

Ack! You are SOOOO close to having that little 'publican!! Any hint of him coming yet??
Hey honey! Yeah, I've been getting a lot of crampiness and insomnia lately. Hope that means that his arrival is pending!


I'm happy to see all these new faces (names?) in here!

[LDS Angel 19]

Glad you're here with us now!! :) How's Tiffany doing now? We haven't heard from her in a long time!!

She's doing just fine. They don't have the internet at home right now so that's why she's been so scarce. Her son is 3 months old and is a sumo-baby. :) He weighs only about 5 pounds less then his two yr old sister... :D

[jp'swife]

Her son is 3 months old and is a sumo-baby. He weighs only about 5 pounds less then his two yr old sister...
No way! I'm so happy for her! Seems like just yesterday that he was born!!

[artist]

Okay, you all know I'm a granola liberal, but I am happy to see your thread here. Seriously, I was half tempted to start the thread for you just so CC would look a little more balanced! :D

Okay, I'll let you be now, but had to delurk to say that!

[isign]

I used to lurk all the time too, but I'm going to *try* to be more into this one.

[cyd_96]

Count me in! I lurked over at WC, but am ready to give my 2 cents!

[PookiePrincess]

I'm in too!

[jp'swife]

So nice to see so many new 'faces' in here!

[Aimee]

Hi everyone - I lurked occasionally in the old thread but now that there's a fresh start, I'd love to join in!

[jp'swife]

Welcome, Aimee-Nice to have you here!

baglejake4-I saw that story on the news! What a great guy.
The footage is a little disturbing, ya know? Especially when they translate what the guys were saying as they were filming it and then after they shot him and knocked him down. I'm so glad that he was ok. I think my jaw dropped open when he then mentioned that he went back and helped the sniper after he was shot. Then again, he did say that he was a medic, that is what he is trained to do on the field and the enemy was now unarmed. WOW.

[JillyBean]

Wow, about that video. Does anyone know what the guys are saying in the background?

[mrs_pell]

Just another reason I'm so happy to live in conservative Texas!

SACRAMENTO — Dozens of works by California lawyers are on display inside the cafeteria at the Department of Justice in Sacramento. But one painting in particular has caused such outrage that hundreds of people have signed an online petition to have it removed.

The painting is called "T'anks to Mr. Bush," and it shows a star-spangled United States being flushed down the toilet. The artist, a Berkeley lawyer, says it depicts his view of where President Bush (search) is leading the country.

The nonprofit arts council put together the annual exhibit, and the attorney general — whose office is in the building — says it would be un-American to remove this, or any piece, just because it's controversial.

"For those that it offends, they shouldn't look at it. For those that want to talk about public-policy matters and look at the art, they're free to do so. But it's their free choice," said Nathan Barankin, a spokesman for Attorney General Bill Lockyer (search).

"They have a right to be upset with that piece, it's their right. They have a right to say that they don't like it, it's their right not to look at it," said Ellen Taylor of the California Lawyers for the Arts.

But critics say this isn't about censorship, it's about whether partisan political art belongs in the state government facility. [EXACTLY!!!]

"I find it distasteful, and I find it offensive," said Sacramento resident Peggy Bengs, who visited the exhibit. "I don't like the political implications personally because I believe it is a state building that is financed by the taxpayers."

But another resident, Brian Lavender, said: "I think it's representative of what the Bush administration is doing right now. I think it hits close to home."

The exhibit itself is privately funded and Lockyer maintains he had nothing to do with selecting the pieces on display. But critics suggest the high-ranking Democrat would never have allowed art depicting a negative image of women, for instance, or desecration of the gay pride flag.

"Look, California's top cop should really be focusing on the crime in California, protecting the citizens of California, and probably spend a little less time promoting controversial, in-your-face, political artwork, which is so offensive to so many people," said Karen Hanretty, spokeswoman for the California State Republican Party.

No one wants to deny artists their right to free expression, but long after the art show ends next month, the debate will continue over whether a government building is the best place to display extreme political art.

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[mrs_pell]

Also, CNN has a link to an interview with Private First Class Stephen Tschiderer, the medic in the article that baglejake4 posted. It has the video footage, along with subtitles ("shoot him," "I'm waiting till he straightens up," "god is good."). The guy is pretty amazing. They also talk to his parents, who talk about their reaction to the whole thing.

I can't post the link to the video, but right now it's on the front page of cnn.com, under the "featured video" section.

[jrdhbunny]

Just checking in!

That whole art thing gets me. How horrible to have the Ten Commandments hanging in a government building, but "art" like that is perfectly ok.

Jill- I'm thinking about you!!!! So close!!

[Sposa06]

You've got to be kidding me! I'm all for freedom of expression and interested in seeing the statements artists make with their work - but that is NOT appropriate in a government building!

[Atlanta_eBride]

The nonprofit arts council put together the annual exhibit, and the attorney general — whose office is in the building — says it would be un-American to remove this, or any piece, just because it's controversial.

jrdhbunny, you took the words right out of my mouth!

Just like everything else, they want to shell it out but not take their own medicine.

[Abby'sMom]

Oh, ugh on that 'artwork' junk. That woman and her DH make me so mad. They've been on the local news in the Bay Area twice in the past few months and every time I see them I cringe. Boy, did it piss me off when they hung that 'soldier' in effigy.

[isign]

"For those that it offends, they shouldn't look at it. For those that want to talk about public-policy matters and look at the art, they're free to do so. But it's their free choice," said Nathan Barankin, a spokesman for Attorney General Bill Lockyer (search).

"They have a right to be upset with that piece, it's their right. They have a right to say that they don't like it, it's their right not to look at it," said Ellen Taylor of the California Lawyers for the Arts.

Explain to me then why we can't have the 10 commandments on display or anything related to God or Jesus or Christians. If it offends them, look somewhere else, they have a right not to look at it.

[PookiePrincess]

On July 3rd, we went to my mom's church for services and that's what the sermon was about. He talked all about how no where in the constitution, bill of rights, etc does it say anything about separation of church and state. Actually, it was the exact opposite. They founded this country on Christianity and Christian beliefs.

That's why the world is going to hell in a handbasket...no more religion, discipline, etc. (And I'm not really a religious person.)

[msnicolea]

Mr. President

To messers Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.

Gentlemen

The affectionate sentiments of esteem & approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful & zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, and in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more & more pleasing.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man & his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state. [Congress thus inhibited from acts respecting religion, and the Executive authorised only to execute their acts, I have refrained from presenting even occasional performances of devotion presented indeed legally where an Executive is the legal head of a national church, but subject here, as religious exercises only to the voluntary regulations and discipline of each respective sect.] Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection and blessing of the common Father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves and your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.

(signed) Thomas Jefferson
Jan.1.1802.

[wendalah]

Eh, I don't necessarily think they have to remove the painting. It's part of an exhibit and only represents one lawyer's opinion.

Plus, I have to say--look at the painting. It's juvenile, the pun is on the level of a 5-year-old's humor, and the execution is awful. It looks like a child did it, which doesn't boost the credibility of the statement much. I say keep it up. :)

[jrdhbunny]

Heh. You're right.

[JillyBean]

msnicolea, I really don't want to turn this thread away from it's original purpose (a meeting place for all the Republicans). I'm familiar with the Danbury letter, and it's an interesting topic. Maybe we can start another thread to further discuss it.

[Darlene&Scott]

Explain to me then why we can't have the 10 commandments on display or anything related to God or Jesus or Christians. If it offends them, look somewhere else, they have a right not to look at it.

In a government office this would be offensive to Amercian Buddists, Muslims, Seeks and so on. Art place fine. Government place that needs to treat all faiths the same no.

America may have been founded on Christain beliefs, but they were also founded on slavery and treating women as second class citizens. Child labor was okay. The original settlers were escaping the organised religions of their countries because they were being thrown in jail or worse for being different than their country's offical religion (ex: anglican church is the church of England - nothing else at the time was allowed)

The majority of things we came to this country for originally are not appropriate for today. Would you like a big ol buddah on display in your city office? How about a Tao sign? Most likely not.

To me it's like don't use my tax dollars to put up a christmas tree in city hall. I don't want the government to spend money doing that when they could be giving a raise to police officers or teachers. I'm Jewish I don't give a crap about 'festiveness' in public government places.

[Darlene&Scott]

BTW I am a republican, I just don't like churches trying to push their stuff onto me via displays in government biuldings. I can relate to non-christian people that get just as irritated.

[jrdhbunny]

I didn't bring up the Ten Commandments to start an arguement on separation of church and state. It was more because I find it interesting that something that promotes logical rules on how to get along with your fellow man is seen as taboo to have on government property because of its religious overtones, while a piece of art that promotes divisiveness and hate is apparently ok to display.

[thedoorchick]

Reporting for duty!

http://news.yahoo.com/fc/business/labor_and_workplace

The AFL-CIO fracture is posing potential problems for Democratic leaders, who rely heavily on unions for money and volunteers. And it could play into the hands of Republicans seeking to extend their clout among one of the most traditionally Democratic constituencies.

Two unions representing 3.2 million workers — the Teamsters and the Service Employees International Union — bolted from the AFL-CIO on Monday. Further defections were possible.

The exodus came in a dispute over what dissidents see as AFL-CIO President John Sweeney's inability to halt declining membership and over the future direction of the labor movement. Critics say the union should shift its emphasis from electoral politics to finding new members.

Because the AFL-CIO has played such a major role in supporting Democrats over the years, the rift is producing unease among top Democrats who have seen the control of both Congress and the White House slip from them in recent years.

"I don't know what's going to happen but it's not going to help," said Rep. Charles Rangel (news, bio, voting record), D-N.Y. "I really hoped it wouldn't come to this. It's not the money, it's the lack of unity on the issues and not having a solid front."

Labor experts suggested the dispute could continue to erode the Democratic hold on labor and offer an opening to Republicans. "This put labor up for grabs in American politics again," said Peter Morici, a business professor at the University of Maryland.

In addition, I'm not the thread topic police or anything, but I think that not feeding the trolls is an excellent idea. ;)

[msnicolea]

Perhaps you need some more information about trolls, too, since you seem to be confused about the meaning.

Last time I checked, I can post on whatever thread I like here at the good ole CC--but thanks so much for caring!

[mrs_pell]

:rolleyes:

Fonda Back on Anti-Warpath (http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,17020,00.html?tnews)

Jane Fonda is ready to exercise her political beliefs once again.

The actress announced her plans to embark on a cross-country roadtrip to protest the war in Iraq during an event to promote her autobiography, Jane Fonda: My Life So Far.

"I can't go into any detail except to say that it's going to be pretty exciting," Fonda told an audience Saturday in Santa Fe, New Mexico.

Fonda, 67, has not spoken out on any war since taking her infamous stand against the Vietnam war.

The two-time Oscar winner ignited major controversy and earned the nickname "Hanoi Jane" after she was photographed posing atop a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun while touring Vietnam in support of ending the war.

Though in recent months Fonda said she regretted the photo op, many Vietnam vets remain unwilling to let go of their grudges against the actress.

In April, one veteran decided to remind Fonda that he hadn't forgiven or forgotten the incident by waiting in line for hours at a Kansas City book signing for the sole purpose of spitting a mouthful of tobacco juice in her face.

Another veteran made his anti-Fonda stance clear in May, when he refused to screen Monster-in-Law at either of the two movie theaters he owns in Kentucky.

However, spitting-mad vets or no, Fonda is determined to make her stance on U.S. military operations in Iraq known.

"I've decided I'm coming out," she told the audience members, hundreds of whom cheered in support.

This time around, Fonda will be traveling aboard a vegetable oil-powered bus, accompanied by her daughter and the families of Iraq war veterans.

She told her audience she was urged to break her silence by numerous veterans she has met on her nationwide book tour.

"I have not taken a stand on any war since Vietnam," Fonda said. "I carry a lot of baggage from that."

Her roadtrip is expected to commence in March 2006, though her itinerary has not yet been finalized.

[Atlanta_eBride]

Publicity stunt - she is trully a piece of work - and right in my backyard. While I didn't like the fact that the vet actually spit on her I'm now rethinking my position. Why wait until March of 2006? That just makes no sense to me, if she is so into her cause then do something about it now not nine months away. It totally makes me question her true motives.

[mrs_pell]

Publicity stunt - she is trully a piece of work - and right in my backyard. While I didn't like the fact that the vet actually spit on her I'm now rethinking my position. Why wait until March of 2006? That just makes no sense to me, if she is so into her cause then do something about it now not nine months away. It totally makes me question her true motives.

Maybe she's still trying to figure out how to make her bus run on veg. oil!! :rolleyes:

And, I do agree about the vet spitting on her. But, ya know? If I were went through the hell of Vietnam, and then saw a picture of her sitting on an enemy anti-aircraft gun, I'd spit on her too! :mad:

[Atlanta_eBride]

Maybe she's still trying to figure out how to make her bus run on veg. oil!! :rolleyes:

I think you have figured it out!

[Atlanta_eBride]

Mercedes diesel owner's hooked on vegetable oil
PORTSMOUTH - Dan Hansche's last trip to the garage with his nearly 30-year-old Mercedes produced only one response from his mechanic: Your car smells like a cookout.

Hansche, who purchased the diesel vehicle in August with the intention of converting the car into a vegetable-burning machine, runs his 1976 Mercedes almost exclusively on vegetable oil, causing the exhaust to emit a smell reminiscent of a burger cooked on a grill.

At least we could all say acurately that a big stinch was around. Can you imagine living with that smell?

[Darlene&Scott]

I think she's just trying for attention, since everyone's hated her since Vietnam!

All that buzz for a workout instructor?? :confused:

I get her and farrah faucet confused a lot - they're both coked out and nutzy :p

[mermccau]

I think that Jane Fonda article is biased. I am pretty sure the woman has never apologized for her views. She has also spoken out about the current war. She has been an activist for decades.

[msnicolea]

You guys crack me up--bashing Jane Fonda because she opposes the war in Iraq? Last I checked, so do 60% + of Americans. Freedom of speech doesn't just apply to this who agree with you.

First, Jane Fonda is an intelligent, articulate, academy-award winning actress, not a "fitness instructor."

Secondly, she has apologized for the effects that her visit to North Vietnam had on soldiers, but she has never apologized for her views about that "war" or her many,many years of political activism--and why should she? Last I checked, this is a free country, and we can protest (peacefully) anything we want.

Jane Fonda doesn't need publicity or money--she happens to have strong beliefs and I commend her for being open about them.

[wendalah]

<<I am pretty sure the woman has never apologized for her views. >>

I don't think she has either, but didn't she say something recently about not really understanding what she was doing at the time? I am too tired to look it up but I think it was part of that TV interview where she talked about how her husbands controlled her.

[Sposa06]

I'm sorry, is the title of the thread hard to read? We aren't looking for debates here ... lurk all you'd like, but please, if we were looking for your opinion we would ASK for it. I enjoy political debates as much as anyone else, but this isn't the thread for it.

Incidentally, Cher is also an Academy award-winning actress. So there you go.

[wendalah]

Gwyneth Paltrow is an academy award-winning actress and, shit, she named her kid Apple. :D

[Abby'sMom]

Sorry, I've been out of here for a few days. Just wondering: Have any of us been trolling, or if we prefer the term, lurking, and posting, over in the lib thread? If not, I have to echo others: It would be nice if you could please stay out of our thread. I don't think anyone here wants to start another one of those stupid, childish thread-wars like there were over at the other place. :)

[mermccau]

Sposa06 - just for arguments sake, it could be stated that one can just ignore the posts that they do not agree with.

I plan on lurking and sometimes posting here. I have always been on the fence politically and while I do not consider myself a strong right wing republican, the conversations here certainly are thought provoking.

In general - just a general question: Why is it such a natural human trait to expect others to change or alter their behavior to make ourselves happy? It is not only within out own power to do that?

[mermccau]

By the way, wendalah, that is a pretty funny point about Paltrow! :D

[thedoorchick]

Abby'sMom, I think that's usually referred to as taking the high road. ;)

I for one am happy to be in that camp. I've got better things to do with my time than go out of my way to stir a pot.

As for the current topic (Jane Fonda), I hardly know where to begin, except to say that I think about her as little as possible, lest my head explode with the thought of her self-righteousness and self-involvedness.

[Sposa06]

mermccau, I took less issue with what she actually said and more with how she said it. You guys crack me up--bashing Jane Fonda because she opposes the war in Iraq? It was just disrespectful - first of all, to suggest that our views are laughable, and second, that we are for war. NO ONE in their right mind is for war. Just because we are conservative and support our military does not mean we're dancing in the streets because we have soldiers actively deployed.

You want thought-provoking conversation; I believe that's exactly what this thread was intended for. We won't all agree with each other completely on every issue - that's a given. I hope we can have thoughtful, mature discussions without people barging in here to tell us our beliefs are ridiculous just because they hold differing views.

[mermccau]

Brianna - Ah, got it. :)

[PeanutButter]

Hi!

I was mostly a lurker, occaisionally a contributor on the thread on the OLD site. Just wanted to pop in and say hello!

And, FWIW, I think Jane Fonda is mostly just pathetic... She hasn't had a movie role in 15 years (except for Monster in Law, which I think was sort of a flop, no?). She's clearly struggling to stay relevant.

On a more electoral note, I think it's very interesting that Pataki has decided not to run for re-election in NY - looks like he's running for Pres!

Anyone have any favorites for 2008??? (it's never too early!)

[mermccau]

Seriously ladies, I think there is one misconception about Fonda here.

I am not defending her because I have not really researched much of what happened back in 1972. I do not have a strong opinion of her one way or another.

However, the woman is not looking for relevance or attention, I think. She certainly does not need any money. She is a hard core feminist and activist. I think she probably feels pretty complete without being in the constant public eye. She is just hard core against the war... or any war, apparently.

A person may not agree with her idea. I do not agree with her 100%. However, she has conviction and determination that is enviable. I get more inspired by her feminism than anything else. :)

[wendalah]

I'm not really one way or the other on Jane. She has always struck me in the same way many other actresses strike me--meaning well and wanting to be active, but not really "there." In any case, I find her feminism to be questionable.

From SFgate.com, a review of her memoirs:

"Fonda found herself stuck with a "disease to please," a lifelong tendency to submerge her wishes to the wishes of a mate. All three of her husbands cheated on her, and in the case of Vadim, Fonda writes that she willingly participated in three-way sex and sometimes, desperate to please him, solicited the other woman."

BTW, not bashing the three-way sex if that is what she wanted to do. Nor bashing her husbands for cheating--who knows if she cheated on them simultaneously? But putting it in a memoir as a victimized viewpoint--not very feminist to me.

[Mindy3094]

I wanted to check in............

One thing, and I don't really care about Jane Fonda, but if I had trucks and a car that ran on diesel, I would buy the conversion kits and run them on vegetable oil. Seriously, we have a landscape company with 5 trucks on the road. We buy about 900 gallons of gas a month. If I could convert that to vegetable oil and save the fumes and money, I'd so be on it!

We met a couple from WA when we were in Belize that ran their VW Passat on vegetable oil. Very cool concept! He bought an $800 conversion kit which he said paid for itself within a few months. He got connected with a Chinese restaurant and they call him when they need him to come and pick up the oil. He filters the oil and puts it in a spare tank in his trunk. He still has to start the car on diesel but then flips a switch and it goes over to the vegetable oil.

Ok, sorry to interrupt. I just love the vegetable oil idea, no matter how much I'd smell like a Fry Daddy. :D

[thedoorchick]

mermccau, I think that is part of my issue with Jane Fonda. Hard-core feminists irk me a great deal.

I am all for women having equal opportunities for education, careers, salaries, and in general doing what they feel is best for them and their families. I work FT, and when we have kids I'll be a WOHM, because I bring home the bacon (well, most of it anyway). I'm somewhat of an oddity in our circle of friends, but I'm OK with that. I'm grateful I had the opportunities I did. I certainly would not want to go back to a time when women were expected to do nothing but keep house and weren't given any credit for having a mind and knowing how to use it.

But the brand of "we hate men, the world is against us" feminism just makes me roll my eyes. I think women go a lot farther when they don't approach every situation with the attitude that someone is trying to screw them over.

[Darlene&Scott]

Gwyneth Paltrow is an academy award-winning actress and, shit, she named her kid Apple. :D

That was awesome :D

[lawyerlee]

But the brand of "we hate men, the world is against us" feminism just makes me roll my eyes. I think women go a lot farther when they don't approach every situation with the attitude that someone is trying to screw them over.
I'm a hard-core feminist, and I don't hate men. :)

Most of my friends are hard-core feminists and don't hate men, either. We're all either married or engaged, too, if that means anything. Furthermore, my husband is a staunch feminist, too, and he definitely doesn't hate men! :)

But I don't like Jane Fonda, either. I'm anti-war, and honestly, I wish she'd take up some other cause because I think she's doing more harm than good. :(

[Sposa06]

But there are hard-core feminists, and there are man-wary feminazis. Those are the ones who think that every male in the world is plotting to keep them down.

[thedoorchick]

But there are hard-core feminists, and there are man-wary feminazis. Those are the ones who think that every male in the world is plotting to keep them down.

My point exactly.

I suppose we could go on all week discussing the nuances of feminism, and I'm sure it would be enlightening for us all, but my point was that there are some women out there who aren't helping any of us with their antics.

[isign]

I don't really know much about Jane Fonda except that alot of our military from the Vietnam War time look at her very negativly. I do know that support the war or not, we should support our troops, which she didn't. Really I do think is yet another publicity stunt. I think she makes feminists look bad.

[mrs_pell]

...but as soldiers in our military they have an obligation to our country (it's their job... kind of like how an attorney has a job to do).

Exactly.

I have no problem with people protesting the war. It's a right that many men have died for. HOWEVER, Jane Fonda was completely out of line with what she did in Vietnam, and I will never have any respect for her. I'm glad I'm cracking people up, though. Whatever I can do to make others get through their day.

Also, as far as whether or not the article is biased, it's from E!, so I'd honestly doubt it would be biased toward the right if it were biased.

[msnicolea]

I never suggested anyone on this thread was pro-war. What I find ridiculous if villifying Jane Fonda because she was against Vietnam. Even I don't like the way she expressed her opposition, but I support her right to do it. She was young and trying to make a strong politicial statement--that's all.

For the most part, I ignore what is posted here, but there are times I feel the need to respond. Don't like it? I respect that. But I will continue to post whatever and wherever I like. I will remind you that it was the WC republicans who made the "you can't post in my thread" rule, not the "libs." I am always open for intelligent, informed debate, regardless of the forum. Not sure why so many people run scared and hide away i ntheirn "safe haven." Oh, wait--I think I do know why. . .

And lastly, the use of the term "femi-nazis" is repugnant and ignorant, and you do all people a disservice by using it.

[mrs_pell]

Not sure why so many people run scared and hide away i ntheirn "safe haven." Oh, wait--I think I do know why. . .

Would you consider it rude if someone posted an opposing view in say the "have you had an abortion?" thread? Just wondering.

[Sposa06]

And lastly, the use of the term "femi-nazis" is repugnant and ignorant, and you do all people a disservice by using it.

I'll do you a disservice anytime you'd like!

Honestly, I was using the phrase to distinguish between hard-core feminists and conspiracy-theory feminists.

Now, if you'd please excuse me, you're crowding my safe haven ... :rolleyes:

[thedoorchick]

mrs pell, that's exactly what crossed my mind earlier today. I guess that if the rule is "post whenever and wherever you like," then that means that all bets are off and nobody better be crying in their beer when someone comes in a thread with a view that somebody doesn't like. Regardless of how rude or disrespectful it is.

But then I remember what I was saying earlier about the high road. And what others have said about just plain good manners.

It's too bad that common courtesy is apparently held in such low regard by a few community members (thankfully, it appears to be very few).

[lawyerlee]

Please take a moment to read this announcement:

http://www.constantchatter.com/announcement.php?f=9

Thank you. :)

[msnicolea]

I didn't realize that posting opposing viewpoints = bad manners. I disagreed with posts and commented on them, which I am "allowed" to do. You are more than welcome to disagree with my posts, as you see fit--I actually welcome the discourse.

[thedoorchick]

I didn't realize that posting opposing viewpoints = bad manners.

Well, that explains your apparent confusion about the distinction between the two.

I have no problem with you or anyone else posting in this thread. But if your only purpose in posting is to ridicule others or bait them with below-the-belt comments, then I suggest you read (or re-read) the link Diana posted, as well as the community rules.

[msnicolea]

You're right, Emily--because you are being so very respectful to me right now. Guess the "rules" don't apply to you. The difference is of course, that when I have a problem with what someone posts, I simply tell them that I don't like the post (as in the case of the abortion thread or the femi-nazi comment). I like a more direct approach rather than running off to the mods every time I see or read something I don't like.

I'll continue to post in this thread while making an effort not to attack people, only opinions--that's my best offer, and I'm done for now.

[lawyerlee]

We are each responsible for our own behavior. Conduct yourself according to the rules and treat everyone with respect and let the Mods worry about everyone else. Thank you. :)

[mrs_pell]

*sigh*

[Atlanta_eBride]

Diana, thank you for posting that link. I believe I will implement the ignore option, that's a great idea.

...However, the woman is not looking for relevance or attention, I think. She certainly does not need any money...

I agree with you about people standing up for what they believe in. Unfortunately, while I don't think Fonda is in need of money - believe she got some extra from Ted - I think that egos are in need of stroking at times and publicity stunts can do just that. I'm in PR, and have a division with authors, and this is soooooooo like them to promote a book.

It's kind of like when Newt Gingrich came out with his last book and rumors started circling about him looking at the 2008 election and he didn't deny it. My opinion...he knows how to sell a book. ;)

[lawyerlee]

Diana, thank you for posting that link. I believe I will implement the ignore option, that's a great idea.
I'm glad to be of help. And thank you for reading the announcement. :)

I tend to agree about her becoming vocal to try to sell books. I can't imagine her memoirs are a hot sell, but maybe I'm wrong. ;)

[bookworm]

Warning, somewhat off-topic: I saw an interview (I believe 60 Minutes? I don't usually watch those shows except with my parents, and that time slot would fit :) ) where Jane Fonda said she made Monster in Law for the money (among other reasons).

No idea if it's true, but unlikely that I would have made that up....

[FreakinBecky]

http://aints.net/phpBB2/images/smiles/Drogar-Laugh(LBG).gif

[wendalah]

Please, you guys, I like you all. My dog died today. Please be nice OK? I'm being a little shameless but I just so want everyone to get along right now because I'm hurting bad. Sorry.

[Atlanta_eBride]

wendalah, sorry to hear that. {{{{HUGS}}}}

[flygirl]

Oh wendelah! I am so, so, so sorry. :( I am crying for you. I don't care how much you think you're ready, how much life the dog has led; when he dies, a part of you dies with him. We had to put down my first dog a couple of months ago. She was 15 & led a full life, but that didn't stop me from bawling and missing her for days.

[wendalah]

The vet just said he's mystified as to why Kenny died. Post-mortem showed no conclusive evidence. He wasn't critical. He died peacefully...just shut his eyes and went. Would he have lived if I had been there? God--why did you take my dog? Why wasn't I there with him? God please, give me my dog back. I didn't mean to abandon him at the vet. Oh please. I'm so sorry, Kenny. Ki and I are so sorry. We thought you were tough and would pull through. God why did you take my dog?

[annie_girl]

OMGosh Kenny died??? I am soooooo sorry!! I read a few of the posts when you first got him. I'm a cat person more than a dog person, but Kenny sure was a cutie patootie!! I am so sorry !!!!!!!!!! :'(

Now would be a good time for a real hug.

[JillyBean]

I'm so sorry, Wendalah :( The loss of a pet is never easy. I remember the pictures you posted of Kenny when you were thinking about getting him. He was such an adorable dog. I'm so sorry you're having to go through this. ((((HUGS))))

[mermccau]

Hmmm, I think I was mistaken about Jane .... I saw her on an interview and she came off as strong, intelligent, independent. I based my opinion on that. Guess I should of asked a "second opinion".

All the internet readings I find, and I know that we cannot believe everything on the internet, have not nothing but lousy things to say about her. Interesting...

[Delta]

I saw her being interviewed by someone - I can't remember who - about her book a while back. One minute she was talking about how we live in this patriarchal society and how it is so detrimental to women and their independence, etc. The next minute the interviewer delves into politics and Jane responds that she has always voted Democrat, because her father would roll over in his grave if she didn't. :rolleyes:

[camberne]

I saw an interview on Inside the Actor's Studio with Jane Fonda where she said that after she visited with the North Vietnamese troops and did her little gun-straddle, she had a horrible realization that it was the wrong move to make. You know, when you walk out of a situation and go "oh, f*k, what did I just do?" I know I've felt that way before... and because of that, I'm a little less critical of her than I was. She was young, she was stupid, she was trying to play grown-up in a world situation that was WAY over her head. I think she has paid the price for her stupidity.

[jp'swife]

Wendalah-I'm so so sorry about your Kenny. He was beautiful!!
:( :(

[Witty Username]

wendalah - I'm so sorry to hear about Kenny. He was an adorable dog. I know it's hard, but you did a wonderful thing adopting an older dog, you made the time he had left better.


I saw an interview on Inside the Actor's Studio with Jane Fonda where she said that after she visited with the North Vietnamese troops and did her little gun-straddle, she had a horrible realization that it was the wrong move to make. You know, when you walk out of a situation and go "oh, f*k, what did I just do?" I know I've felt that way before... and because of that, I'm a little less critical of her than I was. She was young, she was stupid, she was trying to play grown-up in a world situation that was WAY over her head. I think she has paid the price for her stupidity.

I think I saw this interview and I agree with your post. However, where she was once "young and stupid" now I think she's "old and stupid". ;)
Having seen interviews with her, I just can't call her a feminist, I think she has let the men in her own life control her and in turn rebels against men. That would be fine if she didn't repeat the pattern over and over again. This is all just my opinion, obviously, but I think she is a very weak person and uses activism to counteract what she dislikes in herself.

I do like the idea of a vegetable oil powered car.

[Atlanta_eBride]

I do like the idea of a vegetable oil powered car.

But it's stinky! ;)

I'm all about saving fuel and such where we can. I have a van and an SUV and I wouldn't mind alternate fules. Even though we have an "endless" supply in the artic and the gulf under our own feet, I do think that we should look to alternatives because one day it will be gone, maybe not for us but our grandchildren, great-granchildren, someone.

[Darlene&Scott]

I would consider a veggie oil car if i had a disel engine.

Where I live, disel cars are rampant and the smoke from them REALLY smells and is horribly black.

At least instead of all that black soot and awful fumes I'd get the urge for McDona'd's fries with a veggie oil car. I would prefer that stink over disel stink.

Would people still be able to kill themselves with veggie oil fumes like they do current car fumes? Knocking out that suicide option might be a side bonus..... ;)

mmmm McDonald's fries......

[Aimee]

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Would people still be able to kill themselves with veggie oil fumes like they do current car fumes? Knocking out that suicide option might be a side bonus..... ;)

mmmm McDonald's fries......

If you've read "Fast Food Nation" or seen "Supersize Me" you just might think so! hehe

I'd totally run a fryguy car - I love VWs and those almost all come in a diesel option - what could be cuter than a VW beetle with a french fry smell?

[dionysia]

But it's stinky! ;) So is diesel! :p

<back to lurking>

Di

[lawyerlee]

I'm so sorry about Kenny, Wendy. :(

[artist]

Oh my gosh! I am so sorry about your dog! I will go visit your journal, but I am sorry to hear that and I know you loved Kenny so much.

[gnatters]

Oh geez. I go on vacation and I missed the start of the VRWC thread. I'm just checking in and getting up to speed on all what's going on.

Here's my opinions of what's been discussed already:

Jane Fonda- Eh. I admit, I laughed at her getting spit on 'cause that happened around the same time as all the Conservative commentators getting hit with food? Or am I just off in right field as always. Whatever, I just thought it was funny. I do understand where all the Vietnam vets are coming from when it comes to their vehament dislike of her, and if I was in their situation, I would feel the same way. Kind of like Sean Penn going to the middle east last year. What a shmuck!

Veggie Oil powered cars: I agree with Darlene. I wouldn't mind smelling like a fry tray...and hopefully the acne wouldn't get bad from the exposure either!

Pataki: Eh. I think he's not running again because I don't think he would get re-elected. He keeps cutting the funding for post secondary education here, and then they have to keep up-ing the tuition costs. Pain in the arse! PLUS, he and the rest of the state legislature do NOTHING to help a dying area here in Buffalo, and much of the money goes to NYC and that area. Honestly, I would like for someone else to run for the Republican Nomination because the philosophy here in NY is Tax and spend and tax some more.
*Have a 100+ million dollar deficit in county funds?! Why, let's tax the residents up the ying-yang to send them away, and the morons who stay, let's tax them more to make up for the budget shortfall*
~I can't wait to leave here...really.

Wendalah: I am SOO sorry for your loss. I can completely sympathize with your situation because the same thing happened to me two weeks ago, where I lost my pet rabbit just a few days into my out of state vacation. She had a very swift moving cancer and passed away just 5 days after finding the tumor which erupted on a toe. Just want to send you some ~*~Hugs~*~ during our difficult times.

I guess I got everything. Sorry for being so long winded :p !

[Darlene&Scott]

If you've read "Fast Food Nation" or seen "Supersize Me" you just might think so! hehe


OMG I just saw supersize me last week!!!

I knew there was a reason why I didn't care for anything on that menu except for the sundays and french fries when AF came to visit!! :rolleyes: :D

[ysolde]

Dear Wendy --

I just read about your dog, and wanted to give you a big (ineffective, I know) cyberhug. You were a great mother to him, and gave him so much love. He is, like all of the furbabies who have gone to our Lord before us, being loved and comforted by his Creator. That is, when he's not out there playing the "chasing game" with the champagne poodle of my childhood, whose photo still sits on my vanity, or wandering about in the sunshine, feeling contented, warm, and totally loved.

Hi, Jill, Jason'sbride, and other ladies of the WC!

And with that, the moderate NYer quietly slinks back to lurkerdom . . . :cool:

[wendalah]

You guys, I'm sorry I kind of broke down in here. It had happened so soon and I just...sort of lost my mind. Thank you ALL so much for your kind words and thoughts re: little Kenny. I appreciate them so much.

[Rose]

Wendy - I am so sorry about Kenny. I know Kenny must have been so happy that you and DH adopted him and gave him a wonderful home.

[mrs_pell]

Wendy, I'm sorry about your dog. It's always so hard to lose a pet. :(

I also wanted to drop this off in here. Hopefully the folks in the liberal thread won't mind that I posted this here, since I saw it over there. I just didn't want to start a debate over there.

August 3, 2005
Bush Remarks Roil Debate Over Teaching of Evolution
By ELISABETH BUMILLER
WASHINGTON, Aug. 2 - A sharp debate between scientists and religious conservatives escalated Tuesday over comments by President Bush that the theory of intelligent design should be taught with evolution in the nation's public schools.

In an interview at the White House on Monday with a group of Texas newspaper reporters, Mr. Bush appeared to endorse the push by many of his conservative Christian supporters to give intelligent design equal treatment with the theory of evolution in public schools.

Recalling his days as Texas governor, Mr. Bush said in the interview, according to a transcript, "I felt like both sides ought to be properly taught." Asked again by a reporter whether he believed that both sides in the debate between evolution and intelligent design should be taught in the schools, Mr. Bush replied that he did, "so people can understand what the debate is about."

Mr. Bush was pressed as to whether he accepted the view that intelligent design was an alternative to evolution, but he did not directly answer. "I think that part of education is to expose people to different schools of thought," he said, adding that "you're asking me whether or not people ought to be exposed to different ideas, and the answer is yes."

On Tuesday, the president's conservative Christian supporters and the leading institute advancing intelligent design embraced Mr. Bush's comments while scientists and advocates of the separation of church and state disparaged them. At the White House, where intelligent design has been discussed in a weekly Bible study group, Mr. Bush's science adviser, John H. Marburger 3rd, sought to play down the president's remarks as common sense and old news.

Mr. Marburger said in a telephone interview that "evolution is the cornerstone of modern biology" and "intelligent design is not a scientific concept." Mr. Marburger also said that Mr. Bush's remarks should be interpreted to mean that the president believes that intelligent design should be discussed as part of the "social context" in science classes.

Intelligent design, advanced by a group of academics and intellectuals and some biblical creationists, disputes the idea that natural selection - the force Charles Darwin suggested drove evolution - fully explains the complexity of life. Instead, intelligent design proponents say that life is so intricate that only a powerful guiding force, or intelligent designer, could have created it.

Intelligent design does not identify the designer, but critics say the theory is a thinly disguised argument for God and the divine creation of the universe. Invigorated by a recent push by conservatives, the theory has been gaining support in school districts in 20 states, with Kansas in the lead.

Mr. Marburger said it would be "over-interpreting" Mr. Bush's remarks to say that the president believed that intelligent design and evolution should be given equal treatment in schools.

But Mr. Bush's conservative supporters said the president had indicated exactly that in his remarks.

"It's what I've been pushing, it's what a lot of us have been pushing," said Richard Land, the president of the ethics and religious liberties commission of the Southern Baptist Convention. Dr. Land, who has close ties to the White House, said that evolution "is too often taught as fact," and that "if you're going to teach the Darwinian theory as evolution, teach it as theory. And then teach another theory that has the most support among scientists."

But critics saw Mr. Bush's comment that "both sides" should be taught as the most troubling aspect of his remarks.

"It sounds like you're being fair, but creationism is a sectarian religious viewpoint, and intelligent design is a sectarian religious viewpoint," said Susan Spath, a spokeswoman for the National Center for Science Education, a group that defends the teaching of evolution in public schools. "It's not fair to privilege one religious viewpoint by calling it the other side of evolution."

Ms. Spath added that intelligent design was viewed as more respectable and sophisticated than biblical creationism, but "if you look at their theological and scientific writings, you see that the movement is fundamentally anti-evolution."

The Rev. Barry W. Lynn, the executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, called the president's comments irresponsible, and said that "when it comes to evolution, there is only one school of scientific thought, and that is evolution occurred and is still occurring." Mr. Lynn added that "when it comes to matters of religion and philosophy, they can be discussed objectively in public schools, but not in biology class."

The Discovery Institute in Seattle, a leader in developing intelligent design, applauded the president's words on Tuesday as a defense of scientists who have been ostracized for advancing the theory.

"We interpret this as the president using his bully pulpit to support freedom of inquiry and free speech about the issue of biblical origins," said Stephen Meyer, the director of the institute's Center for Science and Culture. "It's extremely timely and welcome because so many scientists are experiencing recriminations for breaking with Darwinist orthodoxy."

At the White House, intelligent design was the subject of a weekly Bible study class several years ago when Charles W. Colson, the founder and chairman of Prison Fellowship Ministries, spoke to the group. Mr. Colson has also written a book, "The Good Life," in which a chapter on intelligent design features Michael Gerson, an evangelical Christian who is an assistant to the president for policy and strategic planning.

"It's part of the buzz of the city among Christians," Mr. Colson said in a telephone interview on Tuesday about intelligent design. "It wouldn't surprise me that it got to George Bush. He reads, he picks stuff up, he talks to people. And he's pretty serious about his own Christian beliefs."

Honestly, I agree with Bush on this one. I remember the thread on the WC about this (creationism being included in schools...not about Bush), which is why I really didn't want to post in the liberal thread about this. I didn't want to start that again. But anyway, I do agree that both should be taught, since they are both theories. When my [future] kids are in school, I want them to be taught all the different theories, and not just the evolution theory.

[Atlanta_eBride]

Cori, I agree too that both theories should be taught in the schools. However, what's up with the name "intelligent design"? Sound like aliens and such to me - LOL. Also, it seemed like Marburger was trying to be a little too PC - he came across as a moron, IMO.

When it comes down to it, we teach/learn multiple theories about different topics so why should this be an issue if they are getting equal play? Especially, when the theory being taught here is not necessarily Christianity, it could be of ANY religion that believes in one higher power. To me it's a lot like taking about the aliens I mention above. I personally believe that there has to be more than just us in this great vast universe - maybe they don't look like green men from Mars but it is a theory that I have learned about.

[thedoorchick]

"Intelligent design" is a new term to me as well.

[wendalah]

Never heard of intelligent design. But it's an OK concept to me since it does sound ecumenical--and I agree it's not a bad idea to present it as a theory, since there are quite a few people who do believe in creationism. I agree that it probably isn't appropriate to dissert the subject in Biology class but I don't see the harm of briefly touching on a "sectarian religious viewpoint" as a counterpoint to evolution.

As Bush said, it's all about ideas and understanding where they come from. It's not going to do anyone any good to NOT understand why certain religions don't endorse evolution. Do we want our kids going around thinking fundamentalist Christians are dumb-asses? I personally am not a creationist nor a fundamentalist, but I don't want my kids going around not understanding why a large percentage of people think differently, either. The main problem I have with dismissing creationism is the same I have with dismissing homosexuality and calling it an "aberration." What good does it do to not try to understand common or widespread beliefs/lifestyles?

[Sposa06]

We talked a lot about intelligent design in a philosophy of religion class I recently took. That seemed like the perfect venue for it, and it was incredibly interesting (and is personally the theory I subscribe to). A biology class doesn't seem like the right place for it to be discussed, to me. I do think that evolution should be explained as a theory - as everything else in science is - but I also think that, in a biology class, the material should be based solely on principles of biology.

[wendalah]

BTW, just as an addendum--I have no problem with my kids learning about any belief system in school, as long as it's presented in a matter-of-fact "Let's think about the pros and cons" manner. You can understand things without having to agree with them or follow them, and to continue to have the attitude that the mere presentation of ideas constitutes automatic brainwash is something I really wish this country would get a grip on already and STOP.

[Anna Low]

Wendelah,

I just wanted to say how sorry I am about precious little Kenny. Hope you are doing ok.

Anna L.

[wendalah]

Thank you so much. It still hurts bad but as you can see I'm trying to get back into the swing of things :)

[Aimee]

I attended a public high school in Louisiana. My honors Biology teacher was a self-proclaimed "Born Again" Christian. Apparently she had issues with only teaching evolution, yet she couldn't just teach creationism in a public school. Her solution? She didn't teach either. The class was randomly divided into two sections - Evolution and Creationism and we had a debate. We all learned about both sides, and especially if we were on the side that was farther off from our beliefs. But the teacher herself didn't have to stand up and teach or preach about either one. We researched it all and presented it to the class and our debates were judged by other members of the faculty, whose beliefs were pretty wide-ranging. I thought it was an interesting solution to the problem of teaching one or the other.

[LyLMyssChaos]

HOME AT LAST!!!

Woo-hooo!!! I found you ladies again!!! I look forward to catching up with the latest political musings.

[Atlanta_eBride]

Hey there stranger. Welcome back!

[LyLMyssChaos]

Hey there stranger. Welcome back!

Thank ya very much!!! Oh and I don't usually click on the ads on the sidebars, but I am totally L-O-V-I-N-G this site: www.proudconservative.com
they have some shirts that I just might have to get!

[Graffy]

Just wanted to bump this thread back up so folks know there are conservatives on this board even if we're not always the most outspoken bunch. ;)

[Atlanta_eBride]

We're not exactly loud about it are we? But we are here!

http://www.elephantwedding.com/wc/pres_reagan.jpg

Then again...

http://www.scripting.com/images/archiveScriptingCom/2004/01/25/deanScream.jpg http://photos1.blogger.com/img/175/1702/640/kerry_scream%20(2).jpg

Sorry, I just couldn't resist. Thanks Graffy for making us live again!

[Graffy]

You're very welcome, Atlanta eBride . ;)

[Dotsie]

I'm in!! I didn't even know this thread existed. I come from a loooong line of conservatives :D

[EmilyBronte]

Count me in! I honestly was starting to feel like a fish out of water over here on CC. Glad to see there are some conservatives hanging around these parts.

[KaliLily]

I honestly was starting to feel like a fish out of water over here on CC.

Me too! And I love the thread title. :D

[gnatters]

:mad: *rant* :mad:

I just want to say I am getting so effing fed up with everyone blaming Bush and the federal government for how slow it took for them to get supplies to the people displaced and ravished by Katrina. I mean, the president took the initiative to declare the place a disaster before the hurricane even hit, and people are still not happy because there was a breakdown in the emergency reponse system at the state and local levels. So much of a breakdown, that they are now fingerpointing and blaming everyone else (and ultimately the president because he's the "highest in the chain" you can blame).

Plus, I don't think that it helps that the only way to get around New Orleans is by boat, and so of course supplies can't be trucked in to where they are desperately needed. I'm sure it doesn't help when there are people shooting at the rescue and supply people. I mean, how MORONIC can you be, and people were mad because there was a pause in airlifting people out of the superdome.

I'm sorry. I'm just getting steamed when it seems like every sound bite out of the Mayor of New Orleans sounds like he is taking no responsibility for how he mucked up and didn't adequately plan for the worst possible scenerio.

~Natalie

[EmilyBronte]

:mad: *rant* :mad:

I just want to say I am getting so effing fed up with everyone blaming Bush and the federal government for how slow it took for them to get supplies to the people displaced and ravished by Katrina. I mean, the president took the initiative to declare the place a disaster before the hurricane even hit, and people are still not happy because there was a breakdown in the emergency reponse system at the state and local levels. So much of a breakdown, that they are now fingerpointing and blaming everyone else (and ultimately the president because he's the "highest in the chain" you can blame).

Plus, I don't think that it helps that the only way to get around New Orleans is by boat, and so of course supplies can't be trucked in to where they are desperately needed. I'm sure it doesn't help when there are people shooting at the rescue and supply people. I mean, how MORONIC can you be, and people were mad because there was a pause in airlifting people out of the superdome.

I'm sorry. I'm just getting steamed when it seems like every sound bite out of the Mayor of New Orleans sounds like he is taking no responsibility for how he mucked up and didn't adequately plan for the worst possible scenerio.

~Natalie

I completely agree. My DH (a "flaming liberal," as I call him) and I were talking last night and we both were saying how it seems that no one wants to take responsibility at the state and local levels. We have state and local governments for a reason - the federal government shouldn't be relied upon or blamed every time something doesn't go well. I understand that Bush cut funds for the levees in 2001, but I guess the dissenters are forgetting that he had other fish to fry in 2001.

My opinion: Yes, the federal government was needed after the storm and may have taken longer to get there than expected. BUT it was the responsibility of the local government to evacuate people before the storm.

And don't even get me started on the media - they show video to give whatever twist on a story they choose. CNN, for example, shows the poorest people being the black people (knowing full well there are poor white people, too) and then last night did a story on a more wealthy person and what he lost (they took him back to his home to check it out) and of course he was white (while his neighbor very well could have been black or hispanic or blue for all that matters). Makes me soooo mad!

[BethElena]

Hey guys! Good to see some Republicans...I thought too that the only CCer's were liberals... :)

[QueenofCA]

Count me in! I didn't even know that this thread was here, but I am so glad that it is!

[Atlanta_eBride]

First off, welcome to all of the Conservtive CCers!

As far as Bush being bashed about LA, I don't agree with it either. Like it has been said, there is enough blame to go around. The only thing that I see that I fault Bush for at all is a bad appointment for the head of FEMA. But you know, I own my own business and I've had some terrible hires myself.

The Governor of LA is the worst example of leadership IMO. She needs to take some responsibility and stopping sticking her head up her a$$ thinking things will take care of itself. No lady, other states are now taking care of you and thank goodness they can and will!

I'm glad to see that things are finally getting better there, it's changed so many lives and it may change everything about NOLA. The bottom line is that people have to start preparing for disasters in general, we can not keep counting on others to help us out. I have a client that has been all over the news this past week talking about just that. He even got to talk with Geraldo my new hero - anyone else catch Geraldo going to rescue Florita and her dog Dusty?

[elladee]

I'm with you guys. I usually stay away from political stuff, though.

I did see this on the Drudge Report today. Apparently CC is not a good representation of the country (though I did kinda figure that out before):

CNNUSATODAYGALLUP POLL: ONLY 13% BLAME BUSH?
Wed Sep 07 2005 10:42:26 ET

A CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll of 609 adults taken September 5-6 shows:

Blame Game -- 13% said George W. Bush is "most responsible for the problems in New Orleans after the hurricane"; 18% said "federal agencies"; 25% said "state and local officials"; 38% said "no one is to blame"; 6% had no opinion. -- 29% said that "top officials in the federal agencies responsible for handling emergencies should be fired"; 63% said they should not; 8% had no opinion.

MORE

Government Performance -- 10% said George W. Bush has done a "great" job in "responding to the hurricane and subsequent flooding"; 25% said "good"; 21% said "neither good nor bad"; 18% said "bad"; 24% said "terrible"; 2% had no opinion. -- 8% said federal government agencies responsible for handling emergencies have done a "great" job in "responding to the hurricane and subsequent flooding"; 27% said "good"; 20% said "neither good nor bad"; 20% said "bad"; 22% said "terrible"; 3% had no opinion. -- 7% said state and local officials in Louisiana have done a "great" job in "responding to the hurricane and subsequent flooding"; 30% said "good"; 23% said "neither good nor bad"; 20% said "bad"; 15% said "terrible"; 5% had no opinion.

Developing...

[Graffy]

Ah good, I knew there were more of us than it seemed. I think there aren't necessarily that many (or perhaps any) more on the "other side" :rolleyes: here on CC, it's just that there are a few who post a lot . And perhaps I should be more willing to step into some of those rants and post, but I just don't really care to get flamed. Call me crazy. I know I'm not going to change anyone's mind who feels that strongly about something, and they're certainly not going to change mine, so I choose to remain silent.

[BethElena]

it's just that there are a few who post a lot . And perhaps I should be more willing to step into some of those rants and post, but I just don't really care to get flamed. Call me crazy. I know I'm not going to change anyone's mind who feels that strongly about something, and they're certainly not going to change mine, so I choose to remain silent.

Exactly what I am thinking.

[thedoorchick]

Ah good, I knew there were more of us than it seemed. I think there aren't necessarily that many (or perhaps any) more on the "other side" :rolleyes: here on CC, it's just that there are a few who post a lot . And perhaps I should be more willing to step into some of those rants and post, but I just don't really care to get flamed. Call me crazy. I know I'm not going to change anyone's mind who feels that strongly about something, and they're certainly not going to change mine, so I choose to remain silent.

I couldn't agree more. With some people, it's just not worth the effort to have a reasonable discussion.

[rene']

How come it keeps being brought up that GWB is "playing the blame game" when the only people I hear doing that are the ones that are trying to blame him? Heaven forbid they look at all of the people who failed here. Some of these threads are so frustrating. I don't even want to participate.

[mermccau]

How come it keeps being brought up that GWB is "playing the blame game"? Just a point of view of someone who is "from the other side". ;)

I do not think that Bush is "playing the Blame Game" at all and I have not heard anyone, Bush supporters or not, saying that. If anything, he is sticking by the people he appointed from what I have witnessed.

[LyLMyssChaos]

Whoo Hooo!! This place has been hopping!! I have a lot of catching up to do, and then I'll respond!

[rene']

Just a point of view of someone who is "from the other side". ;)

I do not think that Bush is "playing the Blame Game" at all and I have not heard anyone, Bush supporters or not, saying that. If anything, he is sticking by the people he appointed from what I have witnessed.

That's not the vibe I'm getting from the "What is George doing?" thread. ;)

[LyLMyssChaos]

Just wanted to bump this thread back up so folks know there are conservatives on this board even if we're not always the most outspoken bunch. ;)

Well, some of can be! LOL :D Sorry, I couldn't resist, I tend to find myself being the token loud-mouthed elephant around these parts as well as at "that other site" LOL I'm just stuck on my beliefs I guess! ;) I swear, some lefter's see my name and automatically assume a debate is in the works. I can't even manage to have a thread that specifically states no debate, without debate! LOL

[mermccau]

That's not the vibe I'm getting from the "What is George doing?" thread. ;)Oh, hahaha, I cannot even keep up with that thread! From what I have gathered in conversations outside of this board, people have issues with Bush or they do not, but I, personally, have not heard anyone say that he is playing the blame game. Some feel, such as myself, that he is being detached about it, but blaming others is not what I have heard come out of his mouth. :)

[LyLMyssChaos]

Oh, hahaha, I cannot even keep up with that thread! From what I have gathered in conversations outside of this board, people have issues with Bush or they do not, but I, personally, have not heard anyone say that he is playing the blame game. Some feel, such as myself, that he is being detached about it, but blaming others is not what I have heard come out of his mouth. :)
Thank you for saying that. I think in this situation, the ball was dropped by a lot of people and it's unfortunate that we had to have something so devestating to wake people up and make them see that perhaps we are not as prepared for things as we thought.

[mermccau]

Oh, the ball was dropped on every level applicable. It really is horrible to see such incompetence from almost everyone causing such a nightmare.

Don't get me wrong, I have a very strong dislike for our Prez (and I am being nice here ;) ) but I do not think he is guilty of blaming anyone. I saw him saying what a great job people are doing....

[rene']

LylMyss - That Poll thread you started is making me laugh. Heaven forbid that your views, beliefs be different from "theirs." It's just too funny, really. :rolleyes:

ETA - I totally admire you for being brave enough to say what your views, beliefs are....

[LyLMyssChaos]

ETA - I totally admire you for being brave enough to say what your views, beliefs are....
Yeah, well, it's not a walk in the park. I mean, I was not even involved in a thread and they called me out by name. A friend brought it to my attention! And then a mod comes in asks them to stop, that they are in violation of rules, and to try to NOT do it, "no matter how tempting." I swear, sometimes I have to ask myself, why I even bothered coming here.

[rene']

Well, I may get into trouble for saying this but I was not surprised to see who the mod was that posted that. I had an idea who it was after I read your post, but I went ahead and checked out the thread just to make sure and I was right! :cool: Totally not fair. :(

[LyLMyssChaos]

Yep, but I'm not going to play the victim role. They can say what they want, they are nobody to me.

[Witty Username]

Well, I may get into trouble for saying this but I was not surprised to see who the mod was that posted that. I had an idea who it was after I read your post, but I went ahead and checked out the thread just to make sure and I was right! :cool: Totally not fair. :(

You realize you're doing the same thing... right?

[rene']

You realize you're doing the same thing... right?

Well, thank you "Witty Username" for joining in! But, I don't believe that I mentioned anyone by name, or am I mistaken?

[msnicolea]

Witty Username has AMAZING detective skills--she managed to figure it out all on her own!

[rene']

Wow, thanks msnicolea ! I'm glad that this thread is so exciting that you feel the need to join in!

[LyLMyssChaos]

Okay ladies, do we need to have a written agreement about staying out of the opposing viewpoints political party specific threads?? I mean, really, we are not over in the liberals thread trying to start trouble, do you have to come into the republican's thread and do as such?

[LittleFredPunkinHead]

We have actually had similar visits in the liberals thread.

[rene']

Well, it hasn't been by me, so I'm not sure why I am so special that I am lucky enough to receive these visits....


ETA - Shhhhhh, I'm hiding........

[Atlanta_eBride]

Perhaps this is exactly why this thread went quiet.

[Witty Username]

Okay ladies, do we need to have a written agreement about staying out of the opposing viewpoints political party specific threads?? I mean, really, we are not over in the liberals thread trying to start trouble, do you have to come into the republican's thread and do as such?

I did not post to start trouble, I was just pointing out that regardless of whether or not the "mods" name was mentioned, she was still being talked about.
So a mod steps in to tell people not to talk about you, but it is okay to turn around and talk about her?

That's what causes problems, it has nothing to do with political affiliation.

I guess I could have 'reported' your post (rene), but I thought that would be overkill.

FTR- I don't post in either thread but then again I don't post in the "what are you wearing today" thread either. However, I think I'm allowed to post in any thread on this message board.

[rene']

I did not post to start trouble, I was just pointing out that regardless of whether or not the "mods" name was mentioned, she was still being talked about.
So a mod steps in to tell people not to talk about you, but it is okay to turn around and talk about her?

That's what causes problems, it has nothing to do with political affiliation.

I guess I could have 'reported' your post (rene), but I thought that would be overkill.

FTR- I don't post in either thread but then again I don't post in the "what are you wearing today" thread either. However, I think I'm allowed to post in any thread on this message board.

So, you honestly didn't think that coming in here and posting what you did was going to cause any problems?

ETA - If you feel I should be reported, feel free to do so.

[BethElena]

Perhaps this is exactly why this thread went quiet.

I think you may be right. I'm done with the political threads.

[LyLMyssChaos]

Perhaps this is exactly why this thread went quiet.
we're just too busy posting elsewhere! ;)

[BethElena]

Okay, i lied. i am posting in a political thread, but not in a hate "the other side" kind of way. :)

[Graffy]

I think I'm not only done with political threads, but done with Constant Chatter. It's only okay to have opposing viewpoints here if your viewpoint happens to oppose conservatism. I have seen some very hostile and mean-spirited posts toward anyone who disagrees with a liberal viewpoint, not to mention people ganging up on a poster like a bunch of junior high bullies, and the mods haven't done a thing about it. I'm here mostly for the family planning pages, but I do check out new posts as well. Too many of them are just vitriolic.

So yes, when I feel a ball of angst in the pit of my stomach every time I visit a message board, I think that's probably a signal that it's time to leave.

Best wishes ladies. :)

[Atlanta_eBride]

Graffy, check your Private messages before you leave.

[BethElena]

Graffy-you must be psychic b/c i was thinking how everytime I leave cc i feel so negative...and then i realize it's a lot of people's negativity rubbing off on me....I think I will only stick to the journals//wedding stuff from now on..

[KaliLily]

I think I may need to enter a VR Witness Protection Program...

I just popped into a thread asking what would it take to make you change your mind about President Bush. The thread is basically to ask if Bush could run again, what would it take to keep you from voting for him.

Now, I usually just lurk in political threads. I've felt rather outnumbered politically on CC, but I just couldn't resist. The smart alec in me reared her head, and I couldn't stop from replying...

A worthy opponent.

I now fear for my VR life. ;)

[Atlanta_eBride]

Kim, don't fear. Technically we outnumber them - just look at the election results. ;)

[KaliLily]

Kim, don't fear. Technically we outnumber them - just look at the election results. ;)

LOL!! Good point!

I have to add, Virginia has been such a breath of fresh air. I moved here from Washington, where my boss and I had to whisper to each other during the 2000 and 2004 Presidential elections. I was even afraid to put a Bush-Cheney sign in my yard! Now, I'm volunteering on the campaign for the Republican nominee for Governor. Phone banks can be fun. :)

[Atlanta_eBride]

Kim, Washington is a very tough state for GOPers! My FH comments on that last governor's election a lot and it's not pretty. It was tough having a "W" sticker on my car because I live in the city and I am completely outnumbered there. I even had someone write on it which really ticked me off. To me they invaded what was mine as I'm sure they had their own sticker on their car.

Phone banks, it is amazing what people will tell you! We do polling and the things I hear are hysterical.

[KaliLily]

From what my dad has told me, the Governor issue is still in the courts. That election was my last one in Washington. With the way it's turned out so far, I am VERY happy to have left. The state government has been messed up there for a long time. The fact that a GOP candidate for Governnor nearly won speaks volumes about the dissatisfaction of the people.

[rene']

Do you guys watch Bill O'Reilly? I love him.

[Atlanta_eBride]

Are you kidding? He's in the Conservative Top 10! :D

ETA: For that matter FOX News stays on in our household just about 24/7.

[LyLMyssChaos]

I think I may need to enter a VR Witness Protection Program...

I just popped into a thread asking what would it take to make you change your mind about President Bush. The thread is basically to ask if Bush could run again, what would it take to keep you from voting for him.

Now, I usually just lurk in political threads. I've felt rather outnumbered politically on CC, but I just couldn't resist. The smart alec in me reared her head, and I couldn't stop from replying...

A worthy opponent.

I now fear for my VR life. ;)
Perhaps I should step into that thread and take the heat off of you? LOL ;) I'll check it out most likely tomorrow. I probably could go in there and post nothing but "hello" and they would forget all about you! LOL :eek:

[KaliLily]

Surprisingly, I haven't been blasted for the comment. Someone even agreed with me. :eek:

[EmilyBronte]

Surprisingly, I haven't been blasted for the comment. Someone even agreed with me. :eek:

Probably because it's true! :)

[jp'swife]

Hi ladies!!
Although I'm not on here too often anymore (molding my little conservative)
;) , I'm here in spirit cheering you on!!
Miss you all!

[JillyBean]

Jill! So glad you stopped by! :D We miss you!

[jp'swife]

Thanks Jill!
I miss you guys too!
I can't believe that I'm barely on the computer anymore. Sigh. Hopefully I can be on here more soon once little guy gets a routine going.
I hope you all are doing well!!
:)

[thedoorchick]

Hi Jill - So great to see you!

Hope all is well with the little Republican babe. :D

[jenji]

hi there
I don't typically consider myself right wing or "Republican" per say, but I am conservative for sure. I came in here looking for a thread like this, just to know I'm not the only one of my kind in these parts
whew - I feel like I can breathe again

[Atlanta_eBride]

The last I checked we were a democracy. How can the few change our entire foundation of being a country. If you don't like it here LEAVE.

Judge: School Pledge Is Unconstitutional

A federal judge declared the reciting of the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools unconstitutional Wednesday in a case brought by the same atheist whose previous battle against the words "under God'' was rejected by the U.S. Supreme Court on procedural grounds.

Article here (http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/0001/20050914/1519611288.htm&ewp=ewp_news_0905pledge)

[KaliLily]

The last I checked we were a democracy. How can the few change our entire foundation of being a country. If you don't like it here LEAVE.



Article here (http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/0001/20050914/1519611288.htm&ewp=ewp_news_0905pledge)

OK, I can understand objection to the "Under God" part given the religious diversity in our country - not to mention it was not originally in the pledge of allegiance. But to make reciting it at all unconstitutional? Come on, people! What's next? It's unconstitutional to sing the National Anthem before sporting events?

Now, if someone wants to do something that could be HELPFUL for hardworking Americans, they could try to get the Supreme Court to issue an order that property taxes violate our constitutional right to own property.

[LittleFredPunkinHead]

It's only unconstitutional to require it to be recited with the "under God" part added in. If they go back to the pre-red scare version (the original) then it wouldn't be unconstitutional.

[gayle]

ITA LF..

Pre red scare, it wasn't problematic.

[LyLMyssChaos]

Article here (http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/0001/20050914/1519611288.htm&ewp=ewp_news_0905pledge)

What I don't get is that nobody FORCES anyone to say the pledge. How is it constituional to take away MY rights to say if I CHOOSE TO??? I love how we have to change things in this country to suit the minority (i.e. we are supposed to be tolerant of homosexuality because it's our "ignorant fear" that oppresses them, but the same people REFUSE to be tolerant of our belief in God and tradition. How come their "ignorant fear" of religion doesn't come into play??) I think it's totally ignorant that the majority is reprimanded for making the minority uncomfortable, but to heck with the majority if the minority makes them uncomfortable!
ITA with you Atl! If people don't like how our country is/has been run for so long, hit the road!! I hear Canada is always welcoming newbies!
*sorry to the few of you that do live in CA but...*
And why does this stuff usually come out of California?? I can't help but wonder sometime if there isn't some grand divine design about why that state may someday get sucked into the ocean after an earthquake! ;)

[BethElena]

And why does this stuff usually come out of California?? I can't help but wonder sometime if there isn't some grand divine design about why that state may someday get sucked into the ocean after an earthquake! ;)

I knew I said I wouldn't be participating a lot/anymore on the political threads, but I had to say something. I think that saying this is very rude. I know you have a right to your own opinion, but then you say stuff like this and wonder why people flame you.

[mermccau]

California is a very liberal state and one of many different opinions.

[Atlanta_eBride]

In defense of LyLMyssChaos, I believe she was trying to make a statement about California being so liberal in what should be a fairly "safe" environment/thread. I do believe that a statement like that outside the thread would warrant some backlash with it, but realistically I don't know many Republicans who wouldn't agree with it even if just in jest.

What I do find disturbing is that others feel the need to come into a thread and make statements that were clearly not meant for debate with people from completely opposing political views. For example, in my post that LyLMyssChaos responeded to, there were posts made from those who regularly post in the opposing political thread. The whole purpose for me posting it here was not to insue a debate with opposing political views - if I had wanted that I would have posted an entirely new thread based on that topic. What I was assuming (and I guess for those reading from the liberal thread) was that I would be with similar core beliefs here and wanted to see how others with those same beliefs felt.

Yes, we may not always see eye to eye, and may appear sometimes rude to others, but I think we should feel that we can express our political beliefs with like minded people without interference from people who don't share the same core beliefs. I don't think that LyLMyssChaos was completely out of line feeling she was among friends here. That's not to say that someone can't take offense to it, as others may have to mine, but I don't have a problem with people expressing themselves who would post in here as a conservative.

And yes, California does have many different opinions. ;)

[alootikki]

I don't usually participate in these threads, but as a liberal I often read what "the other side" has to say in an effort to understand opposing viewpoints and gain more insight into views I may not understand.

However, this quote is way more offensive than just a differing viewpoint:

I can't help but wonder sometime if there isn't some grand divine design about why that state may someday get sucked into the ocean after an earthquake!

If someone in the Liberals thread said "I can't stand those red states, and it would serve them right if Osama bombed the hell out of them and all the conservatives were vaporized", I certainly wouldn't think it was funny, appropriate, or assume that most other liberals shared that point of view.

[BethElena]

atlanta - It's not the varying points of view that are rude, it's just the quote about the whole grand design thing. That's what is so offensive to some. But point taken, that you should have the right to state your political and personal viewpoints without being flamed. Except, IMO, I don't think it's appropriate to say a whole state should be wiped out based on those viewpoints.

[Atlanta_eBride]

BethElena, it might not be appropriate to comment about a state being wiped out but I'll be honest and say that I HAVE said I wished that California would just go ahead and fall off when refering to politics. Now by saying that, I don't trully wish harm on those who live in California (my sister and brother-in-law live there as well as some friends) I think it's more of a generalization and probably said out of frusteration. I relate it to saying something like when people refer to others as Nazi (like the WC admin was by many who are now CCers upon the mass exit) but not really believe what they are saying in the true sense of it. Your right, neither one is nice to say and may be inappropriate but I somehow think we have all been guilty of doing something similar.

BTW, I'm not trying to pick in you, I was already frusterated with earlier posts regarding what I said. I think LyLMyssChaos (knowing her from other circles as well) is strong in her beliefs and knows she stirs the pot at times. I just don't think she was trying to when she posted in here. Some of us just love to debate - and she is one who certainly does and I think has fun with it as well. I'll give her credit for speaking up and fighting for what she stands for any day.

Hey, glad you spoke up and joined us in here even though you said you wouldn't! :D

[LyLMyssChaos]

I so think that people are taking what I said about California far too seriously. I put a wink after it to symbalize that I was not serious. I do not think that my Heavenly Father has it in for California. I do however feel that there have been a lot of things coming out of Cali that I feel are far too liberal for my personal taste, and I for one could never live there. Perhaps what I should have said was that I wish that the many viewpoints I disagree with that come from California should be wiped out, not the people that express them. Although, I do find it quite ironic that it's okay for one side to repeatedly make flippant remarks in regards to opposing viewpoints(and personally the people that expresses them,) but if the "other side" desides to do the same, that someone get's all upset. I can totally understand how someone could be offended by my statement if I made it in "general population," but the joke that I made is really quite common around the many right-wingers that I associate with and I thought that those with a similar mindset as I have could appreciate the sarcasm. I am in no way surprised that anyone would flame me. I know that I frequently have what is considered to be a controversial point of view (especially when I'm in a highly-liberal concentration) because I am a very firm believer in the things that I hold dear. If people want to debate with me, that's fine. I'm not perfect, and I may upset people and I apologize if that is the case. I just tend to find myself very frustrated with the state of some things in our society and find that humor is often a way to release said frustration.

[ysolde]

LMC --

I can understand your not wanting to live in California. I lived there for three years, and thought it was a wonderful place to live. I also happen to think our country thrives on the marketplace of ideas, from liberal to conservative to just plain kooky. When lots of ideas are in the mix, we all win.

And, in the vein of strange bedfellows, here's something you might know about -- why does there appear to be a high concentration of LDS members in Nevada, which does not seem to be a "natural" place for them to have gathered? Did the LDS arrive before the gambling, prostitution, etc.?

[LyLMyssChaos]

LMC --

I can understand your not wanting to live in California. I lived there for three years, and thought it was a wonderful place to live. I also happen to think our country thrives on the marketplace of ideas, from liberal to conservative to just plain kooky. When lots of ideas are in the mix, we all win.

And, in the vein of strange bedfellows, here's something you might know about -- why does there appear to be a high concentration of LDS members in Nevada, which does not seem to be a "natural" place for them to have gathered? Did the LDS arrive before the gambling, prostitution, etc.?


I totally get what you are saying. And as far as the Nevada thing?? I really don't know. I believe that they were there before all of the other stuff. I have only been a member for 3 years, and living in the midwest, we don't know a whole lot about much outside of SLC, but I will definitely look into it.

ETA: I'm a born and bread midwestern girl, so that may contribute highly to why I have the strong views that I have. I have never been to California, or New England, or to Texas, or shoot, the only time I've been outside "the mitten" was on trips to Florida, when we drove through other states.

[Atlanta_eBride]

I just tend to find myself very frustrated with the state of some things in our society and find that humor is often a way to release said frustration.

I'm very with you on that!

[Delta]

Because John Smith settled there.

ETA - Oh never mind - that was Utah. Maybe because they are close to Utah.

ETA #2- I mean Joseph. Not John.

Dang!

[LyLMyssChaos]

Because John Smith settled there.
LOL :p
Umm, how bout it's Joseph Smith...or did you see "American Mormon" too?? LOL

But really, Joseph Smith died before the Mormons moved out to Utah, it was actually Brigham Young that led them there.

[Delta]

Yeah, I just corrected myself - twice!

[LyLMyssChaos]

Yeah, I just corrected myself - twice!
It's okay...just don't bring up the idea that we are sex-crazed polygamous lizard people and you'll be all right! LOL :D

[gayle]

I am really trying to behave and stay out of you guy's thread but I just had to say that this
"It's okay...just don't bring up the idea that we are sex-crazed polygamous lizard people and you'll be all right! LOL "

Totally cracked me up :) I wanna see lizard people, where are they?

And yes, humor IS a good diffuser. Just not all people find the same things necessarily humorous.

Ok, back to lurk mode, carry on....

[ysolde]

It's okay...just don't bring up the idea that we are sex-crazed polygamous lizard people and you'll be all right! LOL :D

Nah. I always thought the polygamy was a way to legitimize all the hot lesbian sex! ;)

[LyLMyssChaos]

"It's okay...just don't bring up the idea that we are sex-crazed polygamous lizard people and you'll be all right! LOL "
Totally cracked me up :) I wanna see lizard people, where are they?


I am not kidding, we just got this movie called "American Mormon" and it is a documentary on what people think/know about Mormons in America. And this one guy said something about us being founded by John Smith and that he thought he had heard something about us being lizard people from outer space that came to earth and merged with humans or something crazy like that! LOL And of course, you all know that all the "good Mormons" have horns right?? LOL :p

[BethElena]

Hey, glad you spoke up and joined us in here even though you said you wouldn't! :D

You can blame my boring work schedule this week :)

FYI - i hate that winky thing ( ;) )

[ysolde]

I am not kidding, we just got this movie called "American Mormon" and it is a documentary on what people think/know about Mormons in America. And this one guy said something about us being founded by John Smith and that he thought he had heard something about us being lizard people from outer space that came to earth and merged with humans or something crazy like that! LOL And of course, you all know that all the "good Mormons" have horns right?? LOL :p


If good Mormons have horns, wha