Athletes Spark White House Flip-Flop Flap

[Georgiana]

TAKEN FROM YAHOO.COM


A photo of Northwestern University's national championship women's lacrosse team, taken during the athletes' visit to the White House last week, shows four of the nine women in the front row wearing flip-flop sandals along with their dresses and skirts.

The choice of footwear has prompted a mini-controversy — a flip-flop flap, if you will.

A front-page story in the Chicago Tribune included the headline "YOU WORE FLIP-FLOPS TO THE WHITE HOUSE?!" inspired by an e-mail sent to player Kate Darmody from her older brother after he saw the photo on the team's Web site.

Family members of other players expressed similar dismay, insisting the summer footwear staple was too casual for a visit with the president.

"Don't even ask me about the flip-flops," said the mother of player Aly Josephs. "It mortified me."

During an appearance Monday on NBC's "Today," Darmody and teammate Shelby Chlopak said players planned to auction off the flip-flops they wore to the White House, with the proceeds to go toward a fund for a 10-year-old girl with a brain tumor.

The women have defended their attire, arguing they wore a dressier version of the casual sandal.

"Nobody was wearing old beach flip-flops," said Josephs, who wore a $16 brown pair with rhinestones.

Darmody, 22, added: "I tried to think of something that would go well with my outfit and at the same time not be that uncomfortable. But at the same time not disrespect the White House."

In 2001, Bush's daughter Jenna, then 19, wore black flip-flops in court, along with pink capri pants and a sleeveless black shirt, when she pleaded no contest to a misdemeanor charge of being a minor in possession of alcohol.

The term "flip-flop" was used heavily during last fall's presidential debates when Bush repeatedly accused Democratic opponent Kerry of switching positions on issues.


Thoughts?

[hockeybrat]

I think there are more issues to get in a tizzy about than flip-flops :rolleyes:

[Georgiana]

I agree..


But I guess that the lack of ettiqute(sp) is what people are pissed off about... I think it was tacky of them to wear them and to not use common sense.

[JenniferEC]

I don't think common sense has anything to do with it. These are college lacrosse players who were visiting the white house. Most of them probably wear flip flops every day of the week and it sounds like the ones they wore went with what they had. Besides, where is it written that anyone needs to wear pumps or heels of any kind to visit the president? Perhaps the ones that wore them had recent pedicures and were proud to show off their toes/feet. I can't even believe this has made the headlines.


ETA: I'm sure the Pres didn't even notice himself.

[Alicia]

as trendy flip-flops are right now (even the "dressy" ones), i have to say that The White House is NO place for flip-flops. I think it's just plain rude. If you're on one of the tours, I don't have a problem.... but if you're an INVITED GUEST, i think a more formal attire (and no that doesn't have to be heels) should be worn. I mean seriously, would you wear flip-flops to a formal wedding? or a church service? ... i don't know... it just doesn't sit well with me... (no matter WHO the president is).

ETA: i would hope that a college athlete would be able to tell the difference between what they can wear on their way to practice vs. a more formal situation.

[camberne]

I guess my question to these girls would be "would you wear flip flops to a dinner that your parents were giving for all their friends?" If I go somewhere where I know that decorum is important, I always think of what my mother would approve of. But, that's just me.

[Georgiana]

It is apparent that my age is showing here. But when I was their age, We dressed more respectable for important occasions such as this.

No there is no place *ahem* written that you must wear pumps or heels. Why does it need to be? That is why I say there is a lack of common sense used by these ladies..I take that back.. girls..... Are people that slow that they have to have everything in writing? Is that the excuse that is needed when one has to defend their lack of judgement when they do things that are not right? "Uh, I didn't do so- and- so bececause it's not in writing". Give me a break.
I see it as the fact that they were (IMO) improperly dressed. I could care less if they were college lacross players or not. I think being properly dressed is alot more important that "cute toes". If it is really that important to them to show off their "cute toes", they could have worn a dressy sandal. If they were just hanging out on campus, that is fine. Going to the mall, that is fine, But when you are meeting with someone of importance (ex: a potential employer, or ...The President of the United States) you should exercise better ettiquite(sp) and/or dressing habits. I don't think that it should have made headlines, but since it is in the headlines I just wondered what the thoughts were in regards to this. If one of thoise girls were my daughter, I would be livid. Then again, I would not have to worry because she would have known better.

It's sad how lazy this society is/has become and how these kids coming up these days lack the respect for themselves.

[Georgiana]

If you see any college team or even any professional team that comes to the White House, they are ALL properly dressed. Even rappers that are the hoodiest of all, come in suits......

[hockeybrat]

It is apparent that my age is showing here. But when I was their age, We dressed more respectable for important occasions such as this.

No there is no place *ahem* written that you must wear pumps or heels. Why does it need to be? That is why I say there is a lack of common sense used by these ladies..I take that back.. girls..... Are people that slow that they have to have everything in writing? Is that they excuse that is needed when one has to defend their lack of judgement when they do things that are not right? "Uh, I didn't do so- and- so bececause it's not in writing". Give me a break.
I see it as the fact that they were (IMO) improperly dressed. I could care less if they were college lacross players or not. I think being properly dressed is alot more important that "cute toes". If it is really that important to them to show off their "cute toes", they could have worn a dressy sandal. If they were just hanging out on campus, that is fine. Going to the mall, that is fine, But when you are meeting with someone of importance (ex: a potential employer, or ...The President of the United States) you should exercise better ettiquite(sp) and/or dressing habits. I don't think that it should have made headlines, but since it is in the headlines I just wondered what the thoughts were in regards to this. If one of thoise girls were my daughter, I would be livid. Then again, I would not have to worry because she would have known better.

It's sad how lazy this society is/has become and how these kids coming up these days lack the respect for themselves.

Georgiana, I agree especially with the last sentence. Earlier I had said that it shouldn't be such a tizzy because it should be common sense to dress up nice and maybe wear a pair of dressy sandles instead of flip flops. My mother would rag on me forever if I had done that.

And yes, I've seen females wear flip flops to weddings.

[hockeybrat]

Georgiana, I hope you weren't offended when I posted my first message. I didn't mean that you shouldn't get in a tizzy, but the media.

I apologize if there was any misunderstanding. I just re-read it and I didn't want you to think I was stirring the pot.

[LittleFredPunkinHead]

Who was harmed by the wearing of the flip-flops? No one. So, who cares? If Jenna can wear flip-flops to court, I can't imagine Bush and wife being discombobulated by a few lacrosse players wearing them to the White House.

My guess- Miss Manners would probably agree that flip-flops are not appropriate, but would probably also say that it's even less seemly for people to get on their high horses about attire that really didn't "hurt" anyone.

[Georgiana]

Georgiana, I hope you weren't offended when I posted my first message. I didn't mean that you shouldn't get in a tizzy, but the media.

I apologize if there was any misunderstanding. I just re-read it and I didn't want you to think I was stirring the pot.


Nah I wasn't offended.... I knew you meant the media and I agree whole-heartedly there are alot of things that the media needs to cover -besides this.. But over the last few days, I have been seeing this more and more. They even had the nerve to give Matt Lauer from the Today Show a pair.... :rolleyes:

[LDS Angel 19]

I think I'd have to see a pic of how they looked before making judgement. But I do agree that there are much bigger issues out there than peoples shoes.

[JenniferEC]

I guess I just don't see why this is a big deal. I saw the picture of the team with Pres. Bush and I thought all of the girls looked really nice. It didn't look (at least to me) that any of them were dressed like they were on their way to practice. The segment on the Today show had a couple of the girls with their mothers. One of them talked about getting her dress and Ann Taylor, so I believe they all had the intention of looking nice. I just hope the flip flops can make $$ to help the girl with the brain tumor.

[Georgiana]

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050718/capt.wx10907182033.flip_flop_flap_wx109.jpg?x=380&y=253&sig=0eodEYFruY37l7HpUnOT8Q--

[laurenc]

i'm so glad to see that reporters are letting the american public in on the very most important issues in this troubled time. war? poverty? political turmoil? civil rights? footwear? all crucial topics of our day. i'm so fortunate to be in the know.

/sarcasm.

[PookiePrincess]

I don't really see this as a big deal either. I'm 26 years old and I wear flip flops A LOT. Would I wear flip flops to meet the president? No. But looking at the picture, they were all dressed nice. Yes, they could have picked different shoes to go with their outfits. My mom would be reacting like some of their moms are. But if W didn't notice/care, I don't think the media should care. He has two daughters who were raised in the middle of a flip flop crazed generation. Teens and people into mid 20's see flip flops as perfectly acceptable footwear.

[lawyerlee]

I think it's kinda funny. But I can't fault them, since their hearts are obviously in the right place with their plan to auction off the shoes and give the money to a child who really, really needs it. :)

[Georgiana]

I think it's kinda funny. But I can't fault them, since their hearts are obviously in the right place with their plan to auction off the shoes and give the money to a child who really, really needs it. :)


That's the only good part....

[young lioness]

Anyone else see a flip-flop advertisement at the bottom of this page? LOL! :D

[Georgiana]

Anyone else see a flip-flop advertisement at the bottom of this page? LOL! :D


Yep!!!

They're cute too!!!

[SingleWhiteFemale]

It is apparent that my age is showing here. But when I was their age, We dressed more respectable for important occasions such as this.

No there is no place *ahem* written that you must wear pumps or heels. Why does it need to be? That is why I say there is a lack of common sense used by these ladies..I take that back.. girls..... Are people that slow that they have to have everything in writing? Is that the excuse that is needed when one has to defend their lack of judgement when they do things that are not right? "Uh, I didn't do so- and- so bececause it's not in writing". Give me a break.
I see it as the fact that they were (IMO) improperly dressed. I could care less if they were college lacross players or not. I think being properly dressed is alot more important that "cute toes". If it is really that important to them to show off their "cute toes", they could have worn a dressy sandal. If they were just hanging out on campus, that is fine. Going to the mall, that is fine, But when you are meeting with someone of importance (ex: a potential employer, or ...The President of the United States) you should exercise better ettiquite(sp) and/or dressing habits. I don't think that it should have made headlines, but since it is in the headlines I just wondered what the thoughts were in regards to this. If one of thoise girls were my daughter, I would be livid. Then again, I would not have to worry because she would have known better.

It's sad how lazy this society is/has become and how these kids coming up these days lack the respect for themselves.
Then I don't think you would have been happy if I was one of them--I would have worn sneakers. I am young, I'm not even old enough to drink. But the reality of it is, heels aren't good for you. It pitches you forward, which in turn moves the pelvis out of it's "natural" position, and also the weight is being carried on the ball of the foot (instead of the ball and heel), putting extra/wrong stress on the back/spine. I don't care if Manolos and Jimmy Choos are all the rage with their huge heels, I won't wear them. I like my back, and want as few problems as possible. It is NOT a thing of disrespect by wearing flip-flops. You say they should have worn a "dressy sandal" , flip flops don't qualify how? They are a sandal. Furthermore, they were dressy, and it stated that one had rhinestones on them. It's assinine to give a crap what they're wearing, honestly. Did it hurt anyone? No. Were the flip flops clean? Probably. The buck stops there. These girls were dressed appropriately... what, should they have been in satin ballgowns? I think it's important to mention that one's attention shouldn't be focused on another's feet. When you meet someone, do you look to see what type of shoes they're wearing to see if they're appropriate (I'm not talking about shoe whores who are always interested for the sake of fashion ;) )? God help us if people do. I've never had anyone say anything to me about my sneakers (if you're wondering what I tend to wear when I need to look nice, I go for the white Reebok classics), never ever. I went on a field trip somewhere when I was in middle school and told only heels were acceptable. No one noticed my sneakers until the end of the day. My graduation had the same guidelines, but they stopped me. They didn't want to let me walk for that fact (and another girl for wearing pants...). Told them that they were out of line, because I was following the school dress code and if they didn't want to let me walk, I'd sue. Guess who walked?? (I have spina bifida, so I used to wear sneakers in the best interest of my feet and my doctor agreed; at this point, she agrees that there is no real reason to have to wear heels for anyone, and they shouldn't be forced to. And with graduation, I never even told them I was handicapped--it was someone who didn't know me or know I was handicapped.)

[Georgiana]

Then I don't think you would have been happy if I was one of them--I would have worn sneakers. I am young, I'm not even old enough to drink. But the reality of it is, heels aren't good for you. It pitches you forward, which in turn moves the pelvis out of it's "natural" position, and also the weight is being carried on the ball of the foot (instead of the ball and heel), putting extra/wrong stress on the back/spine. I don't care if Manolos and Jimmy Choos are all the rage with their huge heels, I won't wear them. I like my back, and want as few problems as possible. It is NOT a thing of disrespect by wearing flip-flops. You say they should have worn a "dressy sandal" , flip flops don't qualify how? They are a sandal. Furthermore, they were dressy, and it stated that one had rhinestones on them. It's assinine to give a crap what they're wearing, honestly. Did it hurt anyone? No. Were the flip flops clean? Probably. The buck stops there. These girls were dressed appropriately... what, should they have been in satin ballgowns? I think it's important to mention that one's attention shouldn't be focused on another's feet. When you meet someone, do you look to see what type of shoes they're wearing to see if they're appropriate (I'm not talking about shoe whores who are always interested for the sake of fashion ;) )? God help us if people do. I've never had anyone say anything to me about my sneakers (if you're wondering what I tend to wear when I need to look nice, I go for the white Reebok classics), never ever. I went on a field trip somewhere when I was in middle school and told only heels were acceptable. No one noticed my sneakers until the end of the day. My graduation had the same guidelines, but they stopped me. They didn't want to let me walk for that fact (and another girl for wearing pants...). Told them that they were out of line, because I was following the school dress code and if they didn't want to let me walk, I'd sue. Guess who walked?? (I have spina bifida, so I used to wear sneakers in the best interest of my feet and my doctor agreed; at this point, she agrees that there is no real reason to have to wear heels for anyone, and they shouldn't be forced to. And with graduation, I never even told them I was handicapped--it was someone who didn't know me or know I was handicapped.)


Well, If you read what I posted, I NEVER said to wear heels.... However the medical analysis you provided to defend your postion (even though you didn't need to), does not justify wearing those flip flops. I still think that Flip Flops STILL were inappropriate for this occasion. They could wear Haute Coutre, but if they are still numb brained to wear flip flops at a Presidential visit, I would still feel the same way. They could have done better than that. Your situation is different. So really trying to validate them dressing inappropriately (IMO) because of your condition does not make it right. So I am not seeing your argument here.

I can take this further, but I am not going to because if I did I would be steering off the subject and this thread would wind up all about you.

However, I thank you for your thoughts!

[mrs_pell]

I definitely don't think this is news-worthy, but since it was in the news, I'll give my 2 cents. FOR ME, I think it's a little inappropriate. *I* don't even wear flip-flops to church, but that's just me. I think for something like this, they could have dressed it up a little. If it were my daughter, I'd be pretty upset. If it were my friend, I'd be a little shocked. But, with this world having MUCH bigger issues than what some girls wear to the WH, it *really* doesn't matter that much. Ya know?

But the reality of it is, heels aren't good for you.
I don't like heels, either. I wear shoes that are comfy, good for my feet/posutre, and some are ever pretty darn dressy. Much dressier than flip-flops, and actually much better for my feet than flip-flops!!

[Georgiana]

In the pic there are some girls that are wearing nice sandals that is appropriate(IMO) for the occasion.....

[amew]

I think this is a silly thing for the media to get all wrapped up in, but I do think the flip flops were inappropriate. A few of the girls in the picture are wearing what appear to be very casual, rubber-soled flip flops -- they do not, IMO, look sufficiently put together for a White House event. I would not be able to get away with any of those shoes at work, let alone at the White House. I know that college students were flip flops 24/7 (I wear them most of the time that I am not at work myself), but it seems they should have known that the White House called for something other than standard dress.

All that said, I do think the coverage this is getting is silly, and I also agree that criticizing these women for their poor ettiquette is in itself very poor ettiquette. So I will stop now.

[amew]

In the pic there are some girls that are wearing nice sandals that is appropriate(IMO) for the occasion.....

I actually don't think open-toed shoes are White House appropriate in general, but I realize that I am probably in the minority there. Maybe I just feel that way because I can't wear open toes in my "business casual" office, and I imagine that the White House is a bit dressier than that.

[t3h_wookiee]

I don't understand how someone can think that sandals are ok, but a dressy pair of flip-flops isn't! There really isn't much difference at all, often times just a single strap of leather, between the two.

I see nothing wrong at all with it. I would have done the same thing. And in fact I did wear a pair of leather flip-flops to weddings this year.

[gayle]

I am from a whole different generation than most of you, but I personally think it was inappropriate.

For me, it's about being respectful of the office, and dressing appropriately for the situation.

When I worked as an admissions counselor, I would have never worn flip flops to work, it just would have not been approprate to my job, and it's title.

And, I am not saying they should have worn heels. A nice pair of loafers, or other business equivalent flat shoes would have been more than acceptable.

[nordey]

:rolleyes: I have no opinion about this what-so-ever.

But I wanted to share what I heard on the radio this morning while they were discussing the topic. A guy called in and said (I'm paraphrasing here) "Who cares what footwear a bunch of college girls wore to meet the president? And besides, Jesus wore flip flops, do you think the president would turn him away from the White House?"

I laughed so hard I almost had to pull over to the side of the road!

[greenbunny]

My first thought was that I bet flip-flops are easier to search for shoe bombs.

My second thought is that I don't see how this can be condemned in any non-hypocritical fashion. Lambasting people for lacking classy behavior is not something a classy person would do.

[wendalah]

How did I miss this thread? As someone who loves clothes and fashion, this is right up my alley.

And I say--Flip-flops at the White House are TACKY AS SHIT.

[southhavenjen]

There is no doubt there are some dressier flipflops (with rhinestones, jewels, etc.) but I still don't think they're appropriate for the White House. They still make that awful "flipflop" sound when you walk - just too casual for the White House, IMHO.

[Georgiana]

I am from a whole different generation than most of you, but I personally think it was inappropriate.

For me, it's about being respectful of the office, and dressing appropriately for the situation.

When I worked as an admissions counselor, I would have never worn flip flops to work, it just would have not been approprate to my job, and it's title.

And, I am not saying they should have worn heels. A nice pair of loafers, or other business equivalent flat shoes would have been more than acceptable.


ITA Gayle

It is apparent that most in this generation have no concept of of what is appropriate or inappropriate. Heck, if they think that just because a flip flop is dressy enough to wear to meet a Head of State, because it has *belch* sequence on it, something is dead wrong.

[Bellefior]

Heck, if they think that just because a flip flop is dressy enough to wear to meet a Head of State, because it has *belch* sequence on it, something is dead wrong.

Personally, I would like to see someone wearing a pair of flip-flops attempt to drop a curtsey to Queen Elizabeth while wearing them! :D

[kiddo]

I don't see it as a big deal. I, personally wouldn't wear flip-flops to the White House, but I'm not going to judge someone who did.

I think it has more to do with intent than anything. I am sure all of these girls intended to look nice for their meeting, and some even to help out a sick girl.

Just like at my wedding, some of my DH's relatives don't have a lot of money opportunities to dress up, wore their best shirts (plaid work shirts) and pants (carharts) when the rest of the guests were in suits. That was their attempt at dressing up and I appreciated it. On the other hand, my cousin, whom I know has 'dressy' clothes, showed up in kahkis and a polo. I was annoyed by him because it felt like he didn't care enough to make and effort.

I think these girls made an effort to look nice and that is what counts.

[wendalah]

The art of appropriate dressing...sigh...it's gone out the window.
I still dress up for nice dinners, the theater, weddings, job interviews, etc.
I think it's a shame more people don't.

[hockeybrat]

The art of appropriate dressing...sigh...it's gone out the window.
I still dress up for nice dinners, the theater, weddings, job interviews, etc.
I think it's a shame more people don't.

When I worked at the airport, I was forever commenting on that. It used to be people dressed nice when they travelled but now, they show up in sweats and jammie pants and stuff.

(*sigh* I probably had a previous life in a different era like the 20s or 30s)

[fuzzy]

I wouldn't wear flip-flops.

But I think its odd that this team didn't have a stricter dress code. I was a DivI soccer player and anytime we were representing the team in any capacity, we were told EXACTLY what to wear. The only things that weren't dictated were our undergarments and our hair.

[MLA]

I really don't care what they wore. It's not like they wore hoochy-mamma dresses. I would not have worn flip flops and I think it's pretty inappropriate, but a few college athletes being inappropriate in dress seems like the least of our problems . . . Maybe it's symptomatic of larger issues, but still, I can't see getting worked up about it.

It used to be people dressed nice when they travelled but now, they show up in sweats and jammie pants and stuff.

Off-topic, but I think people used to dress nicely when they travelled because they were treated nicely and travelling was a treat. With the long waits and (often but not always) poor customer service travellers receive now, I can't see why anyone would consider flying a treat. I don't get dressed up for travelling. There have been too many times when I've ended up sleeping on an airport bench waiting for my delayed flight to warrant dressing nicely.

[LittleFredPunkinHead]

Feh on "this generation" not knowing what is and is not appropriate etiquette, dress, etc.
What is "appropriate" is not some concrete thing. It evolves and changes over time.

[Georgiana]

Flip Flops are still inappropriate for this occassion.

[LittleFredPunkinHead]

Flip Flops are still inappropriate for this occassion.
Depending on who the judge is for what is and is not appropriate.

[kugrrly]

I have some flips that I guess I would consider "dressy," but I would never never wear them to a job interview. Having everyone hearing me filp flop flip flop down the hall to a potential employer would not be very professional. Saying this I do wear them to work some times... I am a teacher.

[Bellefior]

In my mind, meeting the president is on the same level as a job interview, which was why I asked the question

FWIW, I do wear sandals to work in the summer--its a relaxed atmosphere and we are allowed to dress casually (but no jeans, t-shirts or sneakers except on Fridays and no shorts ever) provided we are not meeting the public or have company in the office. I did wear a suit and dress shoes for my interview. I have never worn flip-flops and neither does anyone else (with one exception) in my office (though the boss has been known to occassionally don his fancy leather slippers late in the day)! The one person who does wear flip flops occassionally (and we are not talking dressy or leather one's either) drives us up the wall with the flap-flap sound as she goes down the hall.

I was also reading somewhere that wearing flip-flops is apparently a lacrosse thing, but even so, I still don't think you should be wearing them to the White House. That's just my opinion.

[kugrrly]

I would wear some cute sandals if I was going to the White House.

[t3h_wookiee]

Feh on "this generation" not knowing what is and is not appropriate etiquette, dress, etc.
What is "appropriate" is not some concrete thing. It evolves and changes over time.

I thought that this was worth repeating.

[anjuli]

I'm a little late on this discussion, but I don't think the girls should have worn flip flops to the White House. Flip flops, whether they are fancy ones with sequins or not, are too casual for a formal setting like the White House. Even with American society shifting to more casual attire, there are still certain "norms" that still remain. We haven't gotten to the point to which the President will show up for work in shorts and T-shirt to meet with dignitaries (thank goodness!). Don't get me wrong, I love wearing flip flops on the weekends, but I would never even consider them for more formal occasions like an interview, wedding, business meeting, etc.

[Cohl]

Ok...Usally I stay as far away from these controversial threads as possible, but I felt the need to post here. Would I wear flip flops to the White House? Probably not. OK..definately not. However, if these girls were looking to raise money for a girl with brain cancer, what better way than to stir up controversy by wearing flip flops to the White House? I am sure enough people are now talking about this that they will get decent bids when they auction them off on Ebay. Mission accomplished, no? I think it's just sad that with everything going on in the world..this is news.

[southhavenjen]

Ok...Usally I stay as far away from these controversial threads as possible, but I felt the need to post here. Would I wear flip flops to the White House? Probably not. OK..definately not. However, if these girls were looking to raise money for a girl with brain cancer, what better way than to stir up controversy by wearing flip flops to the White House? I am sure enough people are now talking about this that they will get decent bids when they auction them off on Ebay. Mission accomplished, no? I think it's just sad that with everything going on in the world..this is news.

My feeling was that the girls decided to auction off the flip flops AFTER they were called out on wearing them by one of the girls' brothers and subsequently the media. So it wasn't a planned thing. I think it's great they turned the situation around and are auctioning them off for a worthy cause.

[greenbunny]

Also, I think people are getting stirred up at even the words "flip flops". They automatically make you think of grungy college kids. I've seen plenty of dressy leather mules with kitten heels, and other similar styles, that also slap against the back of the foot and make noise when you walk.

[scarlett]

Would anybody's opinion change if the girls were wearing healed flip flops?

http://slimages.macys.com/is/image/MCY/products/6/optimized/165536_fpx.tif?

[paiger]

i wear flip-flops all the time. in fact, i forgot to change my shoes this morning after taking the dog out, so i have them on right now, which since i work in a lab means i'm hiding my feet ;)! i have several pairs of flip-flops that have decoration, thick sole heels, etc. i wear them for dress up to parties, church, weddings, broadway etc as that i what i have. in fact, before i got all my dressy flip flops i wore birkenstocks or chacos (i wore these to my college graduation) everywhere. i only have a few pairs of dressy sandals that are colored and go w/ definite outfits. i consider them my nice flip-flops to be dressy for me, so i wouldn't think twice about it. i also have some that i don't consider dressy that i wouldn't wear except for errands and things. the pair i have on today are like that, but i always wear them to the airport w/ a cute outfit as i know from experience i won't have to take them off to go through the security line.

i couldn't wear them on a job interview, b/c i would have a lab/manufacturing floor tour which means i'm supposed to have closed toe shoes on.

[gayle]

"Would anybody's opinion change if the girls were wearing healed flip flops?"

Mine would, but, the fact is, they weren't wearing something like that.

They were wearing rubber beach shoes.

Not that it really matters. I agree with earlier posters that it's sad that this makes news, but since it did, as usual, I had to throw in my opinion :)

[bethnjim]

I would wear flip flops to the White House...to meet the President if they went with my outfit.

It is funny because I think a lot of the older generation would not dream of it, but most 20 year olds would wear them in a minute. I wear flip flops every day to work and we are business casual...I also wear capris and Old Navy short sleeve tops...GASP :eek: !! Honestly, I always get complimented on my outfits with flip flops and all!!

I think it is all in how you wear your clothes and the condition of it. Some people can wear a horrid outfit and really pull it off...ya know what I mean?!

[scarlett]

I am just trying to get an idea where people draw the line. So, some flip flops are okay, but others are inappropriate. And since this is an opinion, to these girls, the flip flops they wore were dressy enough.

I don't have an opinion on the topic, other than I think it's silly that it made the news. I personally wouldn't have worn flip flops, but that's because I don't wear them in general - I can't stand that piece between the toes and can't figure out how anyone finds them comfortable. But I probably would have worn sandels.

[bethnjim]

What I am GASPING about even more is the attention this is getting. Good lord people, there are countries being attacked, people starving, hurricanes hitting and we are worried about what a bunch of college girls wore on their FEET to meet the President!! :rolleyes:

[kugrrly]

I really do not see those as "dressy." I see those as pool flops. I would not wear those to the White House.

[hockeybrat]

I really do not see those as "dressy." I see those as pool flops. I would not wear those to the White House.


ITA. I would wear them to the beach or to a pool but not to the White House.

[kugrrly]

I remember when they were on the today show, they kept saying they picked out shoes to match their outfits and that they were "dressy" The fouth one down is NO WAY dressy. Those are the ones that really stuck out in the group photo.

[kugrrly]

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050718/capt.wx10907182033.flip_flop_flap_wx109.jpg?x=380&y=253&sig=0eodEYFruY37l7HpUnOT8Q--


The third girl from the right looks a little casual.

[southhavenjen]

The second and fourth pairs to me were in no way appropriate for the White House. They are your run of the mill rubber flip flops like you would throw on to go to the grocery store. They just do not look right with a nice dress or skirt/top.

The first pair (the pink ones) look plastic, I wouldn't wear those to the WH either.

The turquoise pair with the wedge heel is a little better; I might consider wearing those.

I am torn on the fifth pair, the black and rhinestone ones.

[southhavenjen]

Would anybody's opinion change if the girls were wearing healed flip flops?

http://slimages.macys.com/is/image/MCY/products/6/optimized/165536_fpx.tif?

I would wear these to the White House, but then I don't consider them flip flops. The heel and styling of the straps put them in the dressy sandal category.

[amew]

I do not think any of the flip flops being auctioned qualify as "dressy" in the least. I think the bottom two pairs posted are particularly casual. As for the heeled thong-style sandals that someone posed earlier, I do think those are somewhat more appropriate. I personally would not wear something like that to the White House, but I am a stodgy 28-year old attorney, not a 20 year-old college athlete. I would wear a closed-toe shoe to the White House, a business meeting, court, a job interview, the office, etc. I would wear a dressy, thong-style sandal to a wedding, shower, dinner out, the theater, or another social event requiring nice attire. I would wear the flip flops the girls are auctioning off to the pool or beach, to hang out around my house, or to run errands on a weekend.

I saw the girls on the Today Show, and they seemed like well-intentioned people. They even went out and bought new clothes for the occassion. I think they missed the mark, but given their intentions and efforts, I hate to fault them for it too much.

[paiger]

I have the 1st and 3rd pairs and consider them to be some of my dressy flip flops :D! They are from the loft, and I have a couple of outfits with which they match.

[wendalah]

Look, I'm an ancient 34 years old and I "get" flip flops. I have nothing against flip-flops. I live in California, for heaven's sake; I love Sofia Coppolla's style. I just would not wear them anywhere I was trying to be "dressed up."

First of all, they do NOT go with every outfit. There is an art to putting them with non-beachwear to create a cool look (again, think Sofia Coppolla). The whole point of putting flip-flops with a skirt or dress is to downplay the formality of the skirt or dress...give it a breezier look.

Second of all, wearing them with nice dresses to the White House does not constitute a successful execution of aforementioned art. It just looks dumb.

This is my stylist self talking, not my stodgy mid-30s age factor.

[wendalah]

BTW, these:

http://graphics.fansonly.com/graphics/ebay/photos/nw/FFSCHLOPAK_300.jpg

Lack ANY style flexibility aside from board shorts and a tank top.

[LittleFredPunkinHead]

The problem with fashion is that it's an art. And therefore, there's a great degree of latitude in what is "right" and what is "wrong." For every learned fashionista that says X is right, you can find another who will say that X is wrong.

[wendalah]

I bet Carson and Clinton would agree with me! :D

[Irish Elf]

I would not hire anyone who wore flip flops shown to an interview. Well, i would if I was interviewing for a lifeguard or pool hand.

I don't have a problem with flip flops per se, it's just when they are worn. And meeting the president is not an occasion to wear them.

However I do agree that this shouldn't be newsworthy, at least not anywhere except the oddly enough section. :D

[wendalah]

I'm actually finding it sort of a blast of fresh air that the world is going to hell in a handbasket and we can all sit around and discuss flip-flops at the White House. ;)

[BTB]

I'm actually finding it sort of a blast of fresh air that the world is going to hell in a handbasket and we can all sit around and discuss flip-flops at the White House. ;)

Me too - can't be serious and globally-minded every second, and even if I could, my restraint in not discussing flip-flops would not do anything to remedy poverty, hurricanes, wars, or any of the world's other maladies.

I love my flip-flops, but I'd never wear them to the White House, and the idea that those beach shoes in the photographs could be seen as "dressy" - SNORT! :D

[TX Sweetheart]

I wear flip-flops all the time... even have two dressy-ish pairs I wear to church (one black and one white)... but even my dressy ones I wouldn't wear to the White House...

[wendalah]

I have worn (nicer) thongs to church in the summertime--I am in Southern California, my parish is casual, and it does not have air conditioning. I think the specific pair I have in mind is my brown leather Banana Republic thongs, with thin straps. I still would not wear them to the White House though, nor would I wear them on Easter or Christmas or to a more formal church.

[msnicolea]

The problem with fashion is that it's an art. And therefore, there's a great degree of latitude in what is "right" and what is "wrong." For every learned fashionista that says X is right, you can find another who will say that X is wrong.


Exactly. For example: skorts and fanny packs are terribly WRONG but are still mysteriously embraced by many of my fellow Wisconsintes. Go figure.

[wendalah]

But that's not art. That's wrong!

[J&T2005]

Wendelah - I completely agree with literally everything you've said :D

As a young professional who works for the gov't - not smaht, not smaht at all to wear flippies for a meet and greet. *shrug* oh well, guess they didn't want to impress. Missed opportunity for them. They did, however raise some money - so, meh, I'm still not wearin flips to work.

[BTB]

Can I just say how much I enjoy the phrase "flip-flop flap"? :D

[Camdynlyn]

I wear my Rainbows (flip flops) almost 365 days of the year. I am known for wearing my 'bows with a coat on. Big deal. I live at the beach. BUT-- I can see where this is inappropriate but honestly, I would have worn a dressy heel and probably not pumps (which I doubt those girls even own). I think they look nice and that this is a really stupid debate. There are more important things in this world to worry about. War? Homeless? Medical insurance? Republican president?


By the way, I may have to have me those lime green flops at the bottom... or maybe the black!:D

[chefker]

OK, weighing in: Yes, the footwear choice was inappropriate for a White House visit.

BUT, remember: these are 20 year old college students. Looking back, I can't believe the crap I used to wear that I thought was 'stylish' or even presentable. (I was in a weird sort of Stevie Nicks/deadhead fashion phase in college....don't ask!) I used to wear gypsy skirts with combat boots, and think nothing of it; heck, I probably would have worn just that outfit to the White House!

Naturally, my mother would have the same reaction as the mothers of these girls did--horrified. My mom did ask me to wear 'proper' shoes to church, which I did. But still, I wanted to wear what *I* wanted to wear when I was 20 years old--and not all 20 year olds have great fashion sense. Some do, but some just hop on the latest fad---and flip flops are HUGE right now.

I'd wager a guess that these girls did not intend any disrespect to W or the White house by their choice of footwear; it was an innocent faux pas.

[katmg]

Wow - I totally missed this thread before so I'm way late to the party here.

Personal opinion - The flip flops were inappropriate and I wouldn't have done it.

Doesn't the White House have an office that takes care of things such as invitations? Wouldn't they give an invitee information on appropriate attire? It appears these ladies were told to wear "chuch clothes." I would have thought business attire might be more appropriate, but I don't know all the specifics. I would think that *if* such office exists at the White House, that they would have given info. on what to wear.

[Georgiana]

Wow - I totally missed this thread before so I'm way late to the party here.

Personal opinion - The flip flops were inappropriate and I wouldn't have done it.

Doesn't the White House have an office that takes care of things such as invitations? Wouldn't they give an invitee information on appropriate attire? It appears these ladies were told to wear "chuch clothes." I would have thought business attire might be more appropriate, but I don't know all the specifics. I would think that *if* such office exists at the White House, that they would have given info. on what to wear.

That is what I thought.... I thought people are briefed on stuff like that before meeing with the President.... :confused: