TTC with Charting in October - Hoping October Brings us our Own Future Pumpkins!

[Cosmogirl]

Thanks for your thoughts, ladies. I just can't figure out what went on this cycle. When did I O? What did we do wrong? Did I O on CD23? We didn't BD that day (DH was out of town). Was that it? Did we BD too much? Too early?

As I was saying before in a previous post, the last 4 cycles I had, we BD EVERYTIME on O-3 day, O-2 day, O-1 Day, O and O+1 day. EVERYMONTH since 4 months. And I'm still not pg either. These were perfect timing all the time.
I'm sure there is nothing wrong with you, and even if you had the perfect timing this month, like somebody said, I think you still have only 25% chances of conceiving. As far as the signs, I'm really stronlgy starting to beleive that we make those signs appear by wanting it too much. I has all of those and the perfect chart not so long ago, and like for you, it ended up being a fluke. Why did I get all those symptoms? I don't know. The one month I did get preggo with DS, I had a medical emergency right after O and was told that it was impossible that month. I trusted the doctor, and recall that that month, I had NO signs of being pregnant. Nada, nothing, zilch. I wasn't expecting it either. And these last months, I had pre AF spotting (I NEVER get that) boob engorgment, I'm REGULARLY nauseous, and yet I'm still not pg. I really think our minds pays trick on us. I'm SURE you felt all those signs, but the power of the mind is something underrated.
Praying for you that mext month brings better news!

Sammy: Sorry your temps drops. I sure hope they get back up tomorrow!

Katie: I sure hope you get the BFP everybody is lusting after!:p

[DianeCourt]

SQ2: Hang in there! I just hate it that, even when everything is perfect, you still only have a 20% chance each cycle. When I got PG with #1, it was the most "imperfect" month we had in terms of timing, etc. There's still so much that's out of your control. :(

[Loud_curly]

SQ2 - I'm so sorry AF showed!! That witch!! And you're certainly not doing anything wrong; if anything, more inspire to be as active in the bedroom as you are. But it does suck to have to wait for your turn when it seems as if everyone else is pregnant around you!

Katie - Yay for the high temp! Let's hope it stays there!

Thanks for all the birthday wishes, ladies. It's actually not until Wednesday, but we usually celebrate over the long Columbus Day weekend.

My temp shot even higher this morning. I can't believe that I've had a temperature range of almost 1.5 degrees over the month - our bodies are certainly amazing.

Well, onto vacuuming! Have a great weekend!

[SQ2]

FSUSammy ~Hang in there. Hopefully this next cycle will be the one for the both of us! Thanks. I hope you're right!

cat_lover ~but just trust that things will happen when they are meant to happen. I'm sorry, sweetie, but I don't have this same belief. I appreciate the thought and I understand why many people believe this, but I don't believe in fate. I don't believe that there's a time I'm "meant" to get pregnant or that "everything happens for a reason". I believe it will happen when my body is biologically ready for it to happen (and maybe this is what you meant and if so, sorry for misunderstanding). And when it doesn't work, there's something biologically not working, or biologically timed wrong. So I guess maybe I do believe that everything happens for a reason, but for me it's a scientific reason. I just wish I knew what that reason was. Again, I hope this is not offensive to you, I'm just being honest. Thanks for your thoughts! :)

Jess ~ Thanks for your thoughts. It's frustrating, but at least I know there are people on here that understand how I feel.

Katie ~ Good luck tomorrow!

Robyn ~ I thought that 20% change was if you weren't charting? :confused:

Cosmogirl ~ It's so weird, isn't it. I just don't see how I could be making all the symptoms up with my mind. It seriously felt like a water balloon was about to explode in my stomach, that my belly button was on fire, and that someone was twisting my stomach muscles around. How can you make something like that up? I'm convinced that I wasn't making them up, but that my AF symptoms are getting stronger and stronger each month that I'm off the pill. I've really never experienced PMS since I've been on the pill for so long so that's probably what's happening.

Diane ~ Thanks for thinking of me. So I'm curious, what happens biologically that makes it only a 20% chance? It just seems like if the conditions are perfect (EWCM, good BD timing) and both people are healthy, why wouldn't it work? That's what I don't get. What are the other factors that I'm not aware of?

Loud_curly ~ Happy Birthday! It does seems like everyone is pregnant. I see pg women whereever I go. I'm so sick of waiting. Glad you're inspired by our BD schedule. But I do wonder if maybe we did it too much? Perhaps got the sperm count too low? Who knows.

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DH is being such an a$$. He's being so unsupportive and is clearly bothered by the fact that I'm upset about this. He just wants me to RELAX and doesn't understand these emotional ups and downs that women go through when TTC. He's making me feeling like I'm crazy. I've told him I'm going to try to relax this next cycle, but I'm not going to be perfect. I want to feel like I can have a down day, or have a good cry if I feel like it in my own home, kwim? But I don't feel like I can. I feel really alone right now. :(

[ADSigMel]

SQ2 - I agree with the others that our minds can definitely make our bodies give us the signs we want to see. I'm sure there's nothing wrong with you, and it's important to keep in mind that, all things considered, even in the best of circumstances, the chances of getting pregnant any given month are relatively small. It won't happen until it happens. And it will happen for you! I'm sorry your DH is being unsupportive. :( You're right, men just don't understand. But please don't feel alone...we're all here for you, we feel your pain, and we're cheering for you to have a BFP this cycle.(((HUGS)))

Sam - I'm sorry it looks like AF is on the way. But it ain't over 'til it's over, right? (And by "over," I mean the moment when you have your new little bundle of joy in your arms :).)

RobynScott - You are one hard-working woman! Hope you don't have to stay so late tonight!

Loud_curly - Your chart is looking good...might a birthday BFP be in order? ;)

As for me, CD23 here. CM is still dry and OPK is still negative. CP is high and soft, and my temp was up a little this morning, but I don't think it's O. I'm still waiting... I'm starting to get nervous, though. I never thought a delayed O was anything to worry about, but I've been reading that delayed O is associated with poor egg quality, so even when I do ovulate, there is a decreased chance of a successful pregnancy. I suppose that's something else to discuss with the doctor next month.

[mkvh]

Ducking in to give some {{{HUGS}}} to SQ2. I'm so sorry AF showed and that you're feelind down and betrayed.

Robyn ~ I thought that 20% change was if you weren't charting? :confused:


We talked about this in this group when I was TTC #1...and Robyn is right. Even with textbook cycles and perfect timing, the likelihood of a sperm fertilizing the egg and the embryo implanting to produce a BFP is only about 20%. Looking back at my charts, we "should have been" pg twice before we actually got a BFP. Hang in there. It's hard, I know.

[Cosmogirl]

Cosmogirl ~ It's so weird, isn't it. I just don't see how I could be making all the symptoms up with my mind. It seriously felt like a water balloon was about to explode in my stomach, that my belly button was on fire, and that someone was twisting my stomach muscles around. How can you make something like that up? I'm convinced that I wasn't making them up, but that my AF symptoms are getting stronger and stronger each month that I'm off the pill. I've really never experienced PMS since I've been on the pill for so long so that's probably what's happening.



Girl, I'm SURE that you are not making this up. I'm SURE you truly felt all those things. I've felt them too, trust me!
But I know of something called in french "grossesse nerveuse", or false pregnancy. We see this in mothers that are really wanting kids. It is a pshysic thing where the mother is able to feel and have symptoms of being pregnant: nausea, af being late, sore boobs, vomiting, and even weight gain!
http://www.minddisorders.com/Ob-Ps/Pseudocyesis.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_pregnancy
Those are extreme cases, but if our minds can do that, I'm sure they can play tricks on us while TTC!

The pill explaination is also possible. What I'm realising is that I'm getting stronger symptoms since I got DS. I NEVER had nausea around the time of O before, and now I do every month. I don't remember when I got off the pill (months before I got pg the first time) if I had stronger symptoms at that time.
I'm sorry about the reaction of your DH. I know in those times we need an extra hugs from the people around us, and also mainly from the guy are are going through this journey with... I hope you feel better soon. What is amazing with this, is you get another chance next month.
Hugs to you girl!

[granada]

I agree that your mind can play tricks on you when you really want something. I won't go into extensive detail, because many ladies here have already discussed this issue, but last month, I had some symptoms that I don't usually have, and for a while there, I was convinced I was pregnant. It made it all that more frustrating when AF arrived. This month, I'm going to try hard not to speculate at all. :rolleyes:

Anyway, I wanted to address SQ2's concern about BD'ing too much. I think I read somewhere that although BD'ing everyday does lower the sperm count, if your DH does not have a sperm count problem, enough sperm will regenerate that BD'ing everyday will still increase your chances of getting pg during that month. Here's a link (http://forums.ovusoft.com/tm.asp?m=4363008&appid=&p=&mpage=1&key=&language=&tmode=&s=#4363008) to an article about intercourse timing that I found on www.tcoyf.com.

Quote from that article:
Timing and Frequency of Intercourse During the Fertile Window
Intercourse on multiple days throughout the 6 days of the "fertile window" raises the overall probability of conception further, though not additively. In couples of apparently normal fertility, daily intercourse during the fertile window is preferable to less frequent intercourse because each day of intercourse raises the probability of pregnancy. Although sperm concentrations drop with increasing frequency of intercourse, in most men performing daily intercourse the drop does not reach a threshold that would reduce the added conception benefit of each act of daily intercourse. Whether intercourse less often than daily would be of benefit in men with baseline low sperm concentrations has not been studied.

Because sperm counts are maximized after about 5 days of abstinence, couples may be advised to abstain from intercourse for 5 days before the beginning of the fertile window. This would theoretically maximize the sperm count at the first act of intercourse during the fertile interval and throughout the rest of the interval. However, this has not been studied empirically.

[Cosmogirl]

Anyway, I wanted to address SQ2's concern about BD'ing too much. I think I read somewhere that although BD'ing everyday does lower the sperm count, if your DH does not have a sperm count problem, enough sperm will regenerate that BD'ing everyday will still increase your chances of getting pg during that month. ...
Because sperm counts are maximized after about 5 days of abstinence, couples may be advised to abstain from intercourse for 5 days before the beginning of the fertile window. This would theoretically maximize the sperm count at the first act of intercourse during the fertile interval and throughout the rest of the interval. However, this has not been studied empirically.

You know, I raised that point a couple of pages back, because we were BDing everyday starting at least 7 days before O (and sometimes more :p ) And the cycle I got pg, I had BD less (concept less is more lol) and it worked. So maybe this answers my question about this. Keeping on doing it everyday, but starting later in the cycle. Now if O can quit paying tricks of coming earlier or later...:p
Thanks for that info:D

[risa00]

I'm freaking out here and really need some opinions and advice. My longest LP has been 12 and it's showing that I'm on 15.. this is of course if I really did O on the day FF potentially is saying I did. My temp dropped today but still above coverline. I took a Target pregnancy test and have a faint blue line. I can't wait until tomorrow morning to test and I'm thinking that if the hormone was that weak in the morning it wouldn't be any better in the afternoon. What do you think? Did I really O on the 17th? Am I pregnant? I can tell you I haven't had any pregnancy symptoms but if I think hard, I bet I could come up some that could potentially be. (not much energy at gym, eatting more, moody, eatting bad (pizza, chocolate, salt... so not like me)) But at the same time I might be just becoming more lazy. :)

Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/risa00)

http://www.seanandlisa.net/img_1372.jpg

[Loud_curly]

Risa - That certainly looks like a BFP!!! Looking at your chart - you definitely Oed no later than CD18 (at least, without knowing your earlier temps and CM). As far as not having pg symptoms, plenty of women don't even know until they miss a period. In terms of retesting, I don't know if you'll get a darker line in the afternoon, but the HcG(?) hormone continues to build throughout the days of early pregnancy, so it may get darker. Better yet, maybe get a digital - then it's very clear pregnant or not pregnant! But I'm going to go ahead and congratulate you!!!

[Cosmogirl]

That is one clear preggo test!
Congrat Risa!!!:D :D :D

With my first, I didn,t have any signs until like 6 w or something! DoN,t sweat!

[polkadot]

Risa~ if we are only needing a vertical line and not a Plus...you are definitley preggo!!! Congrats!!! Thats is not faint that is positive....Congrats!!!

[stevesbabygirl]

SQ2, I'm so sorry sweetie :(. Here's hoping next month will be better for you!

Risa, congrats :D!

[SQ2]

ADSigMel ~ Thanks so much. I don't know what I'd do without you guys. This sucks, but knowing I have a place to vent about it really helps. Hope O is soon for you.

mkvh ~ Thank you. :) So what is the reason behind the only 20% chance? Does anyone even know or is it just a mystery of our bodies that we don't know yet?

Cosmogirl ~ Holy crap, I had no idea about pseudocyesis! :eek: If that's actually a real condition then it's definitely a possbility for me and others that experience FPS. I really think the pill has a lot to do with me though. Thanks for those links. Interesting.

granada ~ Thanks for posting that link. I was pretty sure BD everyday was ok since I'd read that in TCOYF but after this cycle I wasn't so convinced. :( But it sounds like we did fine. We did get worn out though so I think this next cycle we'll try to hold off on starting the BD fest too soon. It's too bad I don't know exactly when O will be. Wouldn't that be nice? ;)

risa ~ Congratulations! :) Have to be honest, super jealous, especially since AF just arrived for me, but I'm really and truly happy for you! H&H 9 months to you!

stevesbabygirl ~ Thanks. :)

[FSUSammy]

Risa - That is most definitely a line! Congrats!!! Happy and Healthy 9 months to you!!!!!

[FSUSammy]

Hey ladies. Quick update. I'm 12 DPO today. Temp went to the coverline this morning. I've had some AF-like cramps today but she has not arrived yet. I did go ahead and fill my prescription for Clomid though. I got it filled at Costco and since their pharmacy is closed tomorrow I went ahead and waited to get the meds today even though my doc wants me to take it CD 2-6. Costco was the cheapest at just under $16. I called arround since my insurance does not cover it and the most expensive I found was at Walgreens for just under $30.

OK so I have a question. If my temp does not go under my coverline tomorrow should I still test???

Sam

[Cosmogirl]

Hey ladies. Quick update. I'm 12 DPO today. Temp went to the coverline this morning. I've had some AF-like cramps today but she has not arrived yet. I did go ahead and fill my prescription for Clomid though. I got it filled at Costco and since their pharmacy is closed tomorrow I went ahead and waited to get the meds today even though my doc wants me to take it CD 2-6. Costco was the cheapest at just under $16. I called arround since my insurance does not cover it and the most expensive I found was at Walgreens for just under $30.

OK so I have a question. If my temp does not go under my coverline tomorrow should I still test???

Sam
But if your temps don't go under the coverline, it is a good sign. What is your usual LP lenght?

[ADSigMel]

Risa - That's totally a BFP...you're pregnant! Congratulations, and a H&H 9 months to you!

Sam - Thanks for the info on Clomid prices...I was wondering how bad the damage would be, since, at least to my knowledge, insurance generally doesn't cover such things. I would go ahead and test tomorrow if your temp is still up above the cover line and AF has not yet arrived.

[Jess71903]

Risa- that is SO not a faint line, unless, like Polkadot said, it's supposed to be a +....but then, you would have a horizontal line, not a vertical one...so CONGRATS! You're pregnant, girl!

Sammy- I would wait until Monday at 14 DPO if I were you, just to be sure.

SQ2- I remember seeing the breakdown of how many sperm actually make it to the egg. I will see if I can find it and post it.

[DelSol]

SQ2 ~ sorry that AF showed. :(


Risa ~ congratualtions! Happy & Healthy 9 Months!

[risa00]

I just took a digital Clearblue Easy test and it came up Pregnant. :) I'm in total shock! Thank you to everyone for the well wishes. I hope to see you all very soon in the other thread! Good luck to those about to test or about to catch their egg.

SQ2 - I'm sorry. :( I know how incredibly frustrating it must be. Hopefully next month will be your month!

[Jess71903]

From iWon.com Understanding the Natural Way to Conceive (http://www1.iwon.com/home/parenting/parenting_article/0,18900,%7Cbaby%7C13246,00.html)
[speaking of the sperm's journey to the egg]This is a long and arduous journey and has been likened in terms of relative length to a human swimming the English Channel back and forth seven times. Amazingly, the sperm can complete this journey in just a few minutes. Of the millions of sperm deposited in the vagina, only a few hundred survive and make it into the fallopian tube—true survival of the fittest. The vast majority of the sperm in the ejaculate do not reach the cervical mucus and are killed in the acidic environment of the vagina.....here [on the surface of the egg]are many protective cells surrounding the egg, and many sperm are lost while actively removing these cells in order to gain access to the egg.

This is not what I was talking about, but maybe it will help. I will keep looking.

[magrat]

This has definitely been the strangest cycle I've had yet. On 8dpo my temp dropped to 97.3, which is the lowest I usually get, but also the most common pre-O temp I get. No AF that day, and the next morning my temp was above the coverline again. The evening of 9dpo I had several drops of bright red blood on the TP when I went to the bathroom. I accepted that AF had arrived, but the next morning my temp was above the coverline again and still no bleeding until the same thing happened that evening (10dpo) with a couple drops of red blood. Not much in the way of spotting in between these sightings. Temp was still up today (dpo11) and I am puzzled to say the least. The midwife said usually the first AF following a CP is heavier than normal, so I was expecting more blood then I get when I get a papercut... So I'm not too hopeful, but I'm still in the game. Talk about confusing.

[FSUSammy]

Cosmogirl - My LP hasn't been consistent at all. My longest was last cycle at 15 days.

ADSigMel - Your welcome for the prices of Clomid. I was expecting it to be a lot more expensive but I'm glad that I found it at Costco for cheap. I heard Sam's Club is cheap as well. Regardless I recommend anyone call around before purchasing it and get it at the cheapest place possible.

[Jess71903]

Ha! I found it! It was posted by honeygirl in the August thread, so not long ago!

Interesting sperm facts anyone? I was reading in my new book "What to Do When You Can't Get Pregnant" (I'm researching before my RE appt) and found that healthy ejaculations release 80-100 million sperm and of those only:

10 million make it to the vagina
100,000> make it to the cervix/uterus
2,000> to the Correct fallopian tube
200> to the distal fallopian tube
10> to the egg
1 fertalization

[honeygirl]

Congrats Risa00!!! Your chart was very pretty and I am so happy for you and your BFP! Have a safe and happy pregnancy! Best wishes.

magrat - Sounds like you are having a very strange cycle. I wonder if it has anything to do with your m/c last time?

FSUSammy - Interesting on clomid prices. I think that my insurance covers it, but if it doesn't I'm going to Costco. Were you asking whether or not to buy it b/c you want to be prepared if AF comes this weekend? I'd wait till CD1 or CD2 to purchase it so that you don't waste your money (if you're pregnant :) ). You could always take it towards the end of the day on CD2. I think my perscription is for CD5-9, but I'm not sure. Anyway, I read an interesting thread over on the Ovusoft message board about Clomid. You might want to check it out: All About Clomid (http://forums.ovusoft.com/tm.asp?m=893457&p=2&tmode=1)

They have some other info (clomid and otherwise) in their Infertility section: Infertility Discussions on OS (http://forums.ovusoft.com/tt.asp?appid=16&p=2&tmode=1)

SQ2 - I know I already said it last night but I'm sorry that this cycle ended in disappointment for you. I hear you on our DH's not understanding (sometimes) how/why we take it so hard. I hope things look brighter in a day or two.

Me: Well guess what ladies. After all my whining about drying up I had a little bit of wet and then EWCM yesterday afternoon!!! I was so excited and made sure that DH knew we had to get on it. :) My temp went up this morning and I've been very teary/emotional today, so I think we O'd. Time will tell of course.

I started reading a book called "When the cradle is Empty" last night (about infertility). I've learned a fair bit so far. For example, gyno's usually only have 4-6 wks of training in infertility while RE's have 2-4 years.

Have a great Saturday everyone!!

[Cosmogirl]

Ha! I found it! It was posted by honeygirl in the August thread, so not long ago!

Hey! That was fun to read!
Thanks for that!:D

Risa Told you before, but again, congrats on your pregnancy! :D


oh and Threadmistress move me to I think I O'ed testing 10/16-10/22

[FSUSammy]

Honeygirl - Thanks for the links. I actually went ahead and bought the Clomid just because Costco's pharmacy is closed tomorrow and there would be no way for me to get to Costco during the week since I don't get home till late. I figured if I am PG then it was only $16, but if I'm not then I'm glad I got it when I did.

[magrat]

For example, gyno's usually only have 4-6 wks of training in infertility while RE's have 2-4 years.

Wow, that definitely explains a lot.

[FSUSammy]

Good morning ladies. Well SQ2 did I NOT tell you that I'd be joining you today!?!? LOL I was greeted by the old hag at 5am this morning. I took my temp as usual and then went to the bathroom and was greeted by my good ole pal that I haven't seen since July!!!! Damn AF where has she been LOL! Of course she hasn't allowed me to sleep either since then because of the awful cramps. So onto my 1st Clomid cycle. Hopefully this will be THE cycle for us. I don't like the idea of having to take medication to help but I refuse to have another 70+ day cycle, that's just rediculous!!!

Threadmistress can you please move me to Waiting to O

Sam

[Loud_curly]

Sammy - Oh no, that witch! Sorry about AF's arrival:mad:

Honeygirl - Hope you and DH had fun BDing!

Magrat - Maybe the spotting is implantation spotting? Seems like your spotting would have been followed more closely by AF...just a guess!

As for me, my temp went way back down this morning, which is a bummer. Still above the coverline, but not consistent pattern. I wonder if my waking up an hour or so before my temp reading to pee is having an impact? This morning, after I temped at my normal time, I slept solidly for 2 more hours, and my temp jumped up about 0.65 degrees. Oh well, I'll know soon enough one way or the other.

Enjoy the day, ladies!

[katiems118]

Sorry for AF SQ2 and Sammy..

Temp went up this morning, very strange...havent tested yet....kinda nervous..

[Cosmogirl]

LOL I was greeted by the old hag at 5am this morning. I took my temp as usual and then went to the bathroom and was greeted by my good ole pal that I haven't seen since July!!!! Damn AF where has she been LOL!
Aww shoosh. She really is being a pain this month isn't she? I hope the clomid taking is going to make this next cycle easier for you, and most of all, give you a BFP!




Temp went up this morning, very strange...havent tested yet....kinda nervous..
OMG, this is good news! When are you testing? Good luck to you!!

Loud_curly:
You are still above the coverline. I think there is still a good chance.
I know when I go pee before hhaving to take my temp doesn,t affect it much (tried again this morning just for fun) but for some other ladies, it can make a big difference. As you say, time will tell...Good luck!

Me I'm at 5 DPO. Got my standard dip this morning (temps ALWAYS dips at 5 DPO.) Nothing is going on, and I'm not expecting anything either. I'd love to fast forward to next cycle and hopefully time better this time!:p
Off to study and enjoy the beautiful day!

Hopefully some more BFP will appear soon!!! Risa's new was fun yesterday!

[katiems118]

BFN at 13dpo, maybe FF has my O date wrong? I dont have any symptoms---at all.

[FSUSammy]

Katie - Sorry about the BFN. I'd probably move your O date to CD 22.

[SQ2]

I'm feeling better today. Not great, but a bit better. Looking at my past charts I've realized that my cycle seems like it's finally evening out. I had some whacked out cycles over this past year (including a 90+ day cycle :eek: - FSUSammy, you know how not fun those are). But now it seems like I'm hovering right around 30 days with an O date around CD17. (The cycle before this I was going to O around that time but my traveling through it off I think.) Anyways, so maybe my body is saying, "I'm not quite ready yet. You had me on these hormones for so long. I need a little more time to get ready for a baby." It's a nice thought anyways. But it's nice to know that I can be pretty confident I'll be getting ready to O in about 2 weeks. Something to look forward to.

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FSUSammy ~ I'm so sorry about AF. :( Even though I'm sad for you it's "nice" to have company if you know what I mean. On to the next cycle for both of us. Good luck with the Clomid. I hope that helps and hope your cycle is a lot shorter this time around.

Loud_curly & katie: AF, stay away!!! :)

Cosmogirl ~ ot my standard dip this morning (temps ALWAYS dips at 5 DPO.) I'm starting to think that my temps are always going to be triphasic. :rolleyes: They have been the last 2 charts.

[DelSol]

Katie ~ sorry about the BFN.

Sammy ~ sorry about AF.

loud_curly ~ I hope she stays away for you.

Honeygirl ~ have fun BDing.

cosmogirl ~ I am right with you about fast forwarding to the next cycle.


Threadmistress ~ please move me to Think I O'ed - Testing 10/16 - 10/22 but I most likely will not test since our timing was bad.


CD17 ~ 3DPO, not much really going. Just waiting to see if what happens since we didn't have a good BDing session, thanks to DH. Things are going ok, he's trying to be nice but I can still hear a tone in his voice every now and then. We did go look at sofa sleepers last night so that was nice because I didn't think he would go for it. I still need to talk to him about TTC and see where he stands.

[SQ2]

honeygirl ~ I forgot to mention...great news about possibly O'ing! :D Hope you were able to get on that egg. ;)

DelSol ~ Wanted to say I'm so sorry you're doing through this frustrating time with your DH. I hope things get better soon. Sorry I'm late in saying that. I was a bit preoccupied the last few days. ;)

[DelSol]

SQ2 ~ no apologies necessary, I totally understand about your situation. It’s such a frustrating time when all we want to have a baby and it doesn’t happen.


I was searching on FF to see what charts match mine for pregnancy and there are at least 10 that match my O date and BDing frequency so that gives me a glimmer of hope.

[DianeCourt]

Sam: Damn AF! I'm sorry. :(

Risa: BIG congrats to you! :D

I'm still in the boring part of the cycle! I usually O around CD 17, so I've got another week of "boringness" ahead! :rolleyes:

[SQ2]

DelSol ~ Sperm live 2-3 days in EWCM. Sometimes they can even live up to 5 days. You BD'd on CD13, your first day of EW and then there were two more days after that of EW until O, so it's really not out of the question that it could have worked. I don't want to get your hopes up but you definitely BD during your fertile window.

[SQ2]

I just remembered something. So last night DH and I went out to eat and to a concert - his birthday gift from me. Well, our waitress was pregnant. And there were like, 2 adorable infants sitting near our table. It's like it was right in my face at the wrong time, kwim? I had a hard time keeping my composure. But we did enjoy our dinner and I'm doing better today. This is so hard. I don't think I've EVER wanted something this bad before. :( I know you all understand.

[Cosmogirl]

Cosmogirl ~ I'm starting to think that my temps are always going to be triphasic. :rolleys: They have been the last 2 charts.
Glad you are feeling a tiny bit better :p

I've been charting for a while now, and even though my charts are never the exact same, they have always a similar pattern that I do recognise. Raise at 1 and 2 DPO, then a plateau usually at 3 and 4, dip at 5, and sometimes also 6 DPO, then a raise again at 7 DPO, and then I have little ups and down until I get to 11, where I start to decline, and 12 is low.
It is possible that you have normally triphasic charts. I ALWAYS get an "implantation" dip...I think it happened once that I didn't. What I like about it is that now knowing this, I don't stress as much over my chart over a possible dip or triphasic chart :p at least, I'm trying to:p
And I agree about everybody being pg in our faces. Honnestly, there are so many around me, it is nearly ridiculous!

Katie : Sorry about the BFN :( But it ain't over until it is over...

Delsol: good luck! i hope you managed to catch that egg!

Dianecourt Have fun getting ready to move it!:p Hope you catch that egg!

[mrs_pell]

Hi ladies...I haven't been in here in a few days so I'm way behind. I've been sick, so I've fallen behind on a lot of things. :rolleyes: So, I'm not even going to attempt SO's, but just wanted to say congrats to Risa, and I'm so sorry to those that AF found. :(

I'm pretty sure that I'm out this month. Our timing was horrible, and I'm not sure if I really O'd when FF said I did. If I did, then we got one BD in the night before O, but I quit temping right after I got the CH because I just didn't want to do it anymore this month. ;) But, I've had some EWCM since then, so who knows. If I did, then I'm 9dpo right now. I do kinda like this no temping thing b/c I really haven't been thinking about it much.

Oh, and I forgot to mention one other thing that came out of our dr's appointment. My hubby is in the process of quitting smoking. He's smoked between 1-2 ppd for YEARS, so it's pretty tough. I've told him that smoking can lower the chances of conceiving, but I think it took having the doctor telling him that for him to really take it to heart. So, it's tough, but he's working on it. :)

[DianeCourt]

It's like it was right in my face at the wrong time, kwim?

SQ2: I totally know where you're coming from. I remember trying for #1, and I swear to God that, everytime I turned around, one of our friends was announcing their pregnancy or I just seemed to notice more pregnant women around for some reason. It seemed like everybody was PG except me! Here's hoping it's your time soon! It'll be the 2WW again before you know it.

[granada]

SQ2 ~ I totally know what you mean. I see babies and preggo women everywhere nowadays, and it's usually when I'm most anxious about TTC. lol. It is hard, because we want this so much, but it's something that we don't have total control over... ETA: Glad to hear you're feeling a little better though. :)

[polkadot]

oh yes...no matter where I go no, matter what I am doing there is always a preggo woman or a plethra of babies...and I mean everywhere...its doesnt help that two of my very good friends are both pg right now. I am reading this book called Conquering Infertility and it really gives you some good excercises...to use when you are feeling stressed or just upset...I am really enjoying reading it...

I am in the fertile part of my cycle this weekend and I have been having EW or watery CM we are bding...but i am not really trying tp put much stock in this month...just really waiting for AF to arrive so I can start all the meds again...

Congrats again to Risa!! And good luck to everyone else...

[Jess71903]

Not sure what's going on. 10DPO and I am already spotting, even though I am still taking the prometrium. My LPs have been a min of 11 days and a max of 17 (I think a fluke), so if today is CD1, 9 days is a new low for me. There is no way I O'd any earlier. I am having a hard time today anyway...this is JUST what I needed!

[RobynScott]

Hey Ladies,

even though I've been working this weekend (and still am) - I'm way behind - just got to do a general hello all and CONGRATS RISA!

Sorry to everyone else that AF found (Sammy, SQ2) - good luck to everyone that is waiting to O or waiting to test.

I'm in the boring part of the cylce - nothing much going on except that I am working all of the time so I am soooo tired. And I'm eating a lot (of junk no less!) =- I'm not getting my period so no reason for me to be craving junk the way I am ...

Anyway - I'll be around but crazy busy with work for the next week - and then out of town for work the week after (O week).

So, I'm here - reading when I can - but not lost if I'm not posting.

Have a good night all - I've got to get back to work!

[polkadot]

Jess~ I am so sorry... i had a cycle like that and I was really excited b/c i had a huge dip and spotting on day 9 and then BAM...Af showed...sometimes you just have weird cycles....and I assure they come at the worst times...like take me for instance I CANNOT WAIT for AF to show this month so that we can start all the meds and have one normal cycle after the m/c I am sure this one will drag on FOREVER!!

Good luck to all!!

[Jess71903]

I am posting this again because it's been a busy weekend and I am afraid my other one might have gotten buried in all the talk. I am amazed at how many people we have active in this thread and how fast it goes!

Threadmistress- I am still listed in the "taking a break" section. Could you please move me to " I think I O'd, testing 10-9 to 10-15". Thanks!

polkadot- thanks. I got really down yesterday. I started to think that the spotting was just happening because the prometrium was iritating my cervix or something, but it was followed by brown, so I think it was just regular old pre-AF spotting.

My temp is back up this morning, but that could be due to the prometruim. Today is the last day of that. I am just ready to quit the whole TTC thing and move on to adoption, even though it hasn't been as long as most people would wait before moving to that. It doesn't matter to me if I have a bio child, I just want to be a mommy. DH, OTH, thinks we should do everything medically possible before "resorting" to that.*sigh* I am tired of being told no. I guess this is just one of those valleys. I will be fine. I always am. And we will keep chugging along. We always do.

[lawphil]

Hi Ladies,

I am not a member of this thread but I thought I would come to all of you for your expert opinions.

I am 6dpo and I woke up at 4am - I had to go to the bathroom so I thought I would temp since I have to wake up at 6 am less than two hours later. Anyway, my temp was 98.8. Out of curiosity I temped at 6am and it was 98.4. So which temp should I record? To throw another wrench in this I am on clomid so I could have been waking up because of a lovely hot flash - which would explain the super high temp followed by a lower temp.

So which temp should I use? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated!

THank you!!

[filmgirl7]

Hi Ladies,
Just stopping in to say "hey" as this 2ww drags on. We're waiting until Saturday to do a test, assuming AF doesn't show up before then, but not knowing is so frustrating. I'm just sitting here thinking "what's going on in there?" :rolleyes: If my temp is still high on Thursday, I'll be optimistic.
I'm either 11 or 12 DPO....I think 12, but FF says 11. I felt ovulation on Sept 28th.

Risa - Congrats on your BFP! I hope you have happy and healthy pregnancy!

Oh, I had to agree with the comment about seeing prego women everywhere. For me the worst is Target; it seems that all the prego women are there!!! I have to go there today to pick up a baby gift for another pregnant friend. :p

Good luck to everyone who is testing this week, and everyone who is BD'ing as well! I hope we can all end up in the June or July moms threads!

[FSUSammy]

Jess - sorry about the spotting. How long have you been TTC?? Have you had any blood tests done or by chance have you ever been prescribed clomid?

lawphil - You should use the first temp. On your chart I'd make a note of the second temp and that you had a hot flash that way if you have to disgard this temp later on you'll know why.

Me - CD 2. I will start Clomid tonight. I read somewhere that the side effects are minimized if you take it at night. I really hope I don't have many side effects, but whatever hopefully this will be the only cycle I need to take it. I also ordered preseed as well as some OPKs and HPT strips yesterday and they should be on their way today so I should have them before we need to beging BDing. So far the cramps from good ole AF are over and she really isn't as heavy as I thought she'd be seeing that she's been gone for almost 3 months.

Sam

[Loud_curly]

Morning ladies!

Filmgirl - your chart is looking really good!!

Sammy - Let's hope the Clomid helps!

Katie - Sorry about yesterday's BFN - maybe today's the day?

Jess - Hope the spotting isn't the start of AF.

As for me, my temp dropped way down, basically to the coverline, so I'm guessing I'll be sticking around this thread for another month. I expect AF will make her appearance sometime on Wednesday. Luckily, my birthday has been a great distraction, so I'll just keep focusing on that and everything else, and not on all the pregnant women I see everywhere :rolleyes:

[cat_loverpq]

CONGRATULATIONS RISA!!

lawphil ~ I agree with Sam, use the first temp but make a note on your chart.

SQ2 ~ I was speaking biologically, but I guess I wasn't very clear. No offense taken. :)

CD21 for me, and still no O. *sigh* It sucks having a late/erratic O date all the time. :rolleyes:

[DianeCourt]

filmgirl: Your chart IS looking really good! Fingers crossed for you!

Sammy: A good friend of mine has been on Clomid for a few month now and she hasn't experienced ANY side effects. Good luck.

[Cosmogirl]

Filmgirl: looks good indeed!!!
Crossing fingers for you!

Jess: I'm sorry you are going through this. I hope things resolve soon, and you finally get your BFP. Wanting to be a mommy, and not have the baby to make that happen is really hard.:(

Sammy: good luck with the Clomid cycle! I hope you don't get too much (or none ) side effect!

CatloverI hope you O soon!!!

Lawphil I agree with PP!


Me: Nothing. Really nothing. I'm having a weirder chart then I thought, but this is not going anywhere since my temps are not rising. I just know that this cycle is out, please, fast forward to next month now...

...and a good friend of mine has her little girl yesterday :D

[tealynn]

Risa, Congrats girl! I guess that Naughty Nurse uniform really worked! Maybe we should add that to our list of tricks for TTCing...:D

LawPhil, I would agree that you should keep your first temp...even though it was earlier than you would normally temp. I think it's probably more accurate by several tenths of a degree than going back to sleep for two hours would be.

SQ2, I'm kind of late to the pity party but I just wanted to say I'm sorry that you're feeling so sad about your TTC journey so far. I think the longer you and your DH TTC the more understanding and appreciative your hubby will become of your ups and downs...I know the first couple of times I POAS, DH didn't care all that much, and was probably hoping it wasn't + but now he's right there with cheering me on. Plus, a 20% chance doesn't sound all that great unless you compare it to winning the lottery...then the odds look amazing.

Jess, maybe it's just implantation spotting (a girl can dream, right?) Let us know what's up!

Honeygirl,isn't it a little early to get weepy? That's usually my 9DPO symptom...;) Good luck w/ the 2WW!

Katieyour chart looks good! Hopefully you will be our next BFP. Yours too Filmgirl!

FSUSammy, sorry about the witch showing but that's awesome you got your script filled (for less!) and I'm sure you're anxious to move on to your next (hopefully normal) cycle since your last one was such a killer!

AdSigMel, I wonder how late your O must be to have it considered a delayed O? I personally don't O until CD19 most cycles but it's pretty regular. That's interesting that the egg quality in a delayed O is less...now I've got one more thing to stress over!

One other thing I read in another thread about BDing everyday is that not only is it okay but that it increases the quality of the sperm. So would you rather have more average sperm that aren't going to make it to the egg anyway or less supersperm that might be the one of 20 that make it through the fallopian tube????? Either way, still better odds than winning the lottery ;)

I'm officially in my fertile phase, the EWCM started yesterday and I expect it will be about 4-7 more days before O. Don't know if I can keep up the everyday BD schedule but I'll give it my best shot and there's no doubt that DH won't have a problem with it!

[lawphil]

Thank you for all of the wonderful advice ladies. I am going to keep it at 98.8 but put a note in there with the 98.4 temp. Now if I could just fast foward to 14 dpo!

DH is away until Friday - so that leaves me too much time to focus on every fps in the book!

Thanks again! Good luck to everyone!

[DelSol]

lawphil ~ I would take the 1st temp and change your time to 4AM.

filmgirl ~ good luck w/ the 2WW, I hope it goes by fast.

Sammy ~ I hope the side effects are minimal from Clomid.

Cat_lover ~ sorry no O yet, I hope it happens soon.

Cosmogirl ~ don't give up hope yet.

tealynn ~ who hoo for being fertile.

me ~ CD19 - 4DPO. Not much going on. Yesterday I was having some major acid reflux, it was yucky. DH & I talked and we will be on the "every other day" BDing schedule, since he really can't keep up. I just hope it works for us and hopefully when I know it's a crucial day I can get him to BD 2 days in a row. I told him that schedule was for men with low sperm count so that will have to be him since he can't do it every day. :p

[katiems118]

Hi all, temp went down a tad today, still way above the coverline which is nothing like any of the other cycles Ive had...strange..

No cramps, nothing, AF should be here today...you guys will be the first to know! I went to the store and bought one more pg test just in case, and then a pack of OPK's...never tried them before.

Im hoping the OPK's will help with timing next month...I guess you can say I feel physically out of it this cycle...my DH keeps saying, why are the tests coming back negative, your temps are up? I dont have an answer for him, I just say its the way it is...my body is strange...

[FSUSammy]

Katie - If your temp is still way above the CL then more than likely AF won't show up today. Usually your temp dips way below the CL the day she arrives. Or at least thats how it usually is in TCOYF. Did you test today?

[katiems118]

Sammy- I didnt test today I probably should have but I wasnt in the mood...

My temps in the past cycles, have been like this (I know you cant see FF at work)
11dpo:97.9
12dpo:97.7
13dpo:97.6 Yesterday's temp was 98.3
14dpo:97.7 Today's temp was 98.21
Coverline is at 97.7

It makes sense to test, I hate setting myself up for disappointment and the past cycles it was like its ok either way, but this cycle Ive tested too much already so Im feeling let down...Tomorrow for sure though.

[mkvh]

Katie--I would move your O date to CD22. And your CL to 97.8something. But you're still well above THAT. Hmmm...although that makes you 13 DPO, you should be getting a + by now UNLESS you implanted late. My 14 DPO BFP was faint on the internet tests.

You haven't been off BCP for that long; your cycle COULD still be regulating. And a variation of a couple of days in LP isn't uncommon.

Regardless, I HOPE you get what you're hoping for!

[katiems118]

Thanks I moved my O date from CD 21 to CD 22, that makes me 13dpo, so maybe AF isnt due til tomorrow then?

[ADSigMel]

honeygirl - GRRR...I was sure you had O'd! :confused:

Val - Your chart is still looking pretty promising to me.

Sam - I'm excited for you for getting to start your Clomid today, and I hope you get a BFP fast and don't experience any side effects.

Loud curly - Wow, that's quite the nosedive your temp took today. How long is your LP ususally?

katie - I don't see any signs of impending AF on your chart...can't wait to see the results of your next test. I really hope it's a BFP!

SQ2 - I'm so glad you're starting to feel better. An expected O around CD17 sounds pretty promising to me...you know that your body is coming around, and that it functions pretty much as it was intended to...we should all be so lucky. :)

Dana - Glad to hear things are better between you and DH. BTW, your BD timing doesn't look all that bad to me...you've still got a fine chance of conceiving this cycle.

Mrs. Pell - Does the no-temping thing really help you? I can't stand it, even during my LP. I guess for me, though, I've had several false O's in the past, so I keep temping until AF arrives just to make sure my temps don't drop back to pre-O levels.

Me - I think TTC is taking over my life. I was up until 1 o'clock this morning surfing the BRU website. :o I spent the entire weekend watching Birth Day and Bringing Home Baby and A Baby Story. I nearly burst into tears last week at a burger joint because there were pregnant women everywhere I looked! And then, to top it all off, MIL called me Friday to say that her baby sister, DH's aunt (who is my age) is pregnant. She has no husband and no college education, and I'm pretty sure she doesn't want this baby, but she's 8 weeks pg. The inefficiency of this whole process is just maddening. People who don't want kids end up with them, and people who desperately want them just can't seem to get one. It's stupid, and I hate it.

[polkadot]

honeygirl - that is quite confusing..jsut when you think you have things figured out...:rolleyes:

Val - Chart looks good...its not over until she shows!!

Sam - I have taken Clomid for 2 cycles now...the first cycle (50mg) I had mild headaches and took it at night the 2nd cycle (100mg)..I took it in the morning and never had any side effects...it worked for me on the 2nd try but ended in m/c...:( Hopefully it will give you the baby you want...:)

Loud curly - Thats a big dip...maybe it could go back up...I am trying to be optimistic...that always helps...and remember its not over till she shows!!

katie - Cant wait for you to test again...your chart looks good.

SQ2 - Glad to hear you are feeling better....at least you are Oing around a normal time ...I dont think that doctors consider it a late O till day 20 or 21....like me...i dont O soemtimes...and sometimes I dont O until day 25...My body is sooo screwed...Good luck!!

Dana - Glad to hear you and the hubby are better and thats some good bd you got going...fingers crossed

Mrs. Pell - I love the no temping thing...I had started to temp again this cycle...but i forgot a few day so I didnt go back to it...she'll arrive soon anyway...It does feel kinda libnerating though...and I am sure myhubby doesnt mind not hearing the beeping of my thermometer...

ADsigMel~ Welcome to the club Mel! I feel like I do that once a week...its is amazing how soemthing that some people find so easy is so hard for another group of people...somedays are good somedays are bad...there is nothing much you can do about it...I hope you feel better soon....how long TTC?

Me~ i am feeling something in my back on the lower left side...I cant possibly be O so who knows...I jsut wish she would show so that I can get on to the next cycle with the meds

[FSUSammy]

ADSigMel - I hear ya on how people that don't want kids get them so easily! And then there are those of us that have problems, very frustrating. I guess its a test in some way. I know everything will happen when the time is right. Oh and I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only Baby Story junkie. LOL I tivo it and watch it when I get home from work. So sad! But I think I'm even more pathetic....I tend to only want to watch those episodes where its their first child to see the reaction of both parents. LOL

polkadot - what meds will you be going on next cycle?

Sam

[polkadot]

next cycle...

clomid 2-6
estrogen 7-11
and
progesterone 17-30

its worked last month...hopefully it will work again ;)

the third time has GOT to be the charm!!

[ADSigMel]

Jess - Looks like your temp shot back up and the spotting hasn't reappeared...these are very good signs! Big (((HUGS))), and don't give up!

RobynScott - Sorry you're having to be so busy with work. We're thinking of you! Are you going to try to BD around being out of town during O week?

polkadot - Do you have any way of knowing what's going on with your cycle? I mean, are you folliculating, did you O, are you going to O? I hope you get either an AF or a BFP soon, so you'll know what's going on! You asked how long I've been TTC...in the grand scheme of things, about five minutes, LOL. We haven't really been TTA or TTC since we got married last November, but we've been gradually leaning more toward TTC since around June. Of course, I've only had one full cycle since then (I O'd on CD96 last cycle), and we didn't really start considering ourselves as TTC until around the time I O'd. So, for real, about a month. Not nearly enough time for me to have worked myself into the frenzy that I have. :rolleyes:

filmgirl - Your chart is looking promising. Good for you for waiting until Saturday to test.

cat lover - Welcome to my world. I'm at CD25, and our charts are looking pretty similar. :(

tealynn - From what I was reading, a late O would be considered a cycle length of more than 35 days. So I'm thinking you're probably okay on that front. I personally don't consider an O delayed until you start hitting around CD40 and still haven't O'd....but I guess that's because my earliest O in the past two years has been on CD23. Yay for starting the BD fest...catch that egg!

[Cosmogirl]

Katie - If your temp is still way above the CL then more than likely AF won't show up today. Usually your temp dips way below the CL the day she arrives. Or at least thats how it usually is in TCOYF. Did you test today?

I know that I had some cycles where my temps was still above coverline, and AF did show :confused: I never understood...but I guess it is possible.
Anyhow Katie I hope for the best! Keep us posted for sure!



Val - Your chart is still looking pretty promising to me.

Me - I think TTC is taking over my life. ...
People who don't want kids end up with them, and people who desperately want them just can't seem to get one. It's stupid, and I hate it.

I just So don't feel it KWIM? Although the last month I thought I didn't and I was SO off track!

Ohhh, I hear ya!!! Madenning you say??



the third time has GOT to be the charm!!
Crossing fingers for ya!!

[FSUSammy]

polkadot - That's quite a plan for next cycle. I really really hope that works for you!!!

[cat_loverpq]

It seems like our co-threadmistresses are very busy these days, and understandably so. Would it make sense to have another co-threadmistress? I volunteer, so if one of you (Jen or Robyn) would PM me and let me know what I need to do I would be happy to help!

[risa00]

Risa, Congrats girl! I guess that Naughty Nurse uniform really worked! Maybe we should add that to our list of tricks for TTCing...:D

Seriously.. you should. ;)

[Amuse Bouche]

Can I join? We're not quite trying this month, but we're doing everything but (ie, I am obsessing)


CC Name: AmuseBouches
Me: name/age AB/28
DH: name/age DH/27
Married since: 3/1/03
Off BCP since: I don't know -- sometime in '04 or '05
TTC since: 10/10
Charting since: 3/06, irregularly
Known issues/test results: none/LP on the short side
Chart: http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/44b75
Current status: What the bleep ...

[katiems118]

ok Im a little obsessive, just was browsing FF charts and overlayed my chart on this pg one...mine is the green line..isnt it interesting how mine is almost following this one? (or perhaps its all in my head?)

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/ChartGallery/index.php?c=overlay&chart=53038&sub=View&Cycle=2006-09-05&pattern=0&Action=Update+Overlay

[Cosmogirl]

ok Im a little obsessive, just was browsing FF charts and overlayed my chart on this pg one...mine is the green line..isnt it interesting how mine is almost following this one? (or perhaps its all in my head?)

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/ChartGallery/index.php?c=overlay&chart=53038&sub=View&Cycle=2006-09-05&pattern=0&Action=Update+Overlay

Can't see for some reason...:confused:

[Cosmogirl]

Seriously.. you should. ;)
The question is did you REALY use it? If so, ship it here already!:D :p

[FSUSammy]

So Katie, when are you planning on testing again???? huh huh huh????

[katiems118]

It has to be tomorrow doesnt it? It should be first morning urine right? Do you think its worth it to even try testing tonight when I get home from work? Is there a time limit of how long I should hold it(urine) before testing?

[RobynScott]

Ok - I tried using the multi-quote option but I am just not smart enough to figure it out!

I'll try and come back later (I'll be at work for a while yet!) -

catlover - thanks for the offer! I was afraid to ask but I was really thinking we could use a third - I'm happy to do it but the next two weeks are just INSANE!

I'll be back later - I'm sure we'll (well, not me) be making another run to fed ex at the airport.

Sorry for not doing SO's right now -- I promise to get better! (or at least try!) - I'm reading when I can and thinking BFP thoughts for you all!

[Jess71903]

Jess - sorry about the spotting. How long have you been TTC?? Have you had any blood tests done or by chance have you ever been prescribed clomid?
Thanks! The spotting has not returned. We have been TTC for about 14 months I think...since Aug 05. I have had CD 21 and thyroid b/w, as well as a lap, which showed one blocked tube. My dr. said we could move forward with IUI, clomid, both, or she would refer me to a RE if I wanted her to. We decided to hang tight for a couple of months following the lap, but this is the 1st cycle since and I am already impatient. I don't know what we will do.


Jess, maybe it's just implantation spotting (a girl can dream, right?) Let us know what's up!
I'm officially in my fertile phase, the EWCM started yesterday and I expect it will be about 4-7 more days before O. Don't know if I can keep up the everyday BD schedule but I'll give it my best shot and there's no doubt that DH won't have a problem with it!
Thanks for the hope, girl! I have secretly thought that it could be implantation spotting, but it's hard to keep the faith when it's been so long.

As for you, have fun during this fertile time!!

I know that I had some cycles where my temps was still above coverline, and AF did show :confused: I never understood...but I guess it is possible.

Mine usually drops a day or 2 after AF shows up, so you're not weird!

Can I join?
Welcome!
Ok - I tried using the multi-quote option but I am just not smart enough to figure it out!
Just hit the little + with the " in the bottom right corner. It will turn red and change to a -. Just read through and hit the button on the ones you want to quote. When you get to the end, hit "post reply" and the reply message will have the messages you wanted to quote in it. HTH:p

Like I said, spotting is gone. Not sure what, if anything, that means. I am just trying to hang tight.

[honeygirl]

AdSigMel & Polkadot - It is so sweet of you ladies to chart stalk me and notice my wacky cycle. Thank you. :)

Yes, I must be having a extra delayed O or annovulatory cycle. Weirdly enough I am not upset by this. Sadly we need to keep up the BDing, but otherwise it is good news b/c the later my O is this cycle the greater the odds we'll catch it next cycle (with the clomid helping). So...I'm just hanging in there.

Busy day at work (and home, they're ripping up our floors today) so I can't do more SO's. Have a great afternoon everyone!!

[RobynScott]

Just hit the little + with the " in the bottom right corner. It will turn red and change to a -. Just read through and hit the button on the ones you want to quote. When you get to the end, hit "post reply" and the reply message will have the messages you wanted to quote in it. HTH:p



Wow - thanks for the lesson Jess -that helps a lot! I knew what button to press but I didn't know what to do next. Hopefully this will make catching up later a lot easier :)


RobynScott - Sorry you're having to be so busy with work. We're thinking of you! Are you going to try to BD around being out of town during O week?



Thanks! We'll try - but since I will be away the 15th to the 21st - and FF is predicting I'll O on the 18th - I don't think we'll have much luck - but what can you do? Did I mention DH will be away the 11th to the morning of the 14th? :rolleyes: I told him I don't care how tired he is - he's on notice now! *lol*

Can I join? We're not quite trying this month, but we're doing everything but (ie, I am obsessing)



Welcome Amuse!

Ok - this is so cool - I'm procrastinating from work. I'll be back later.

Katie - good luck testing!

Jess - I missed what day the spotting was but yay! for it stopping and hopefully it was something good!

Talk to you ladies later - I needed this break but now I need to work (for a few minutes anyway :) )

[numberlady]

Hi ladies, sorry I have been mia. DH has been ill and we pretty much missed our chance this month. Not only that, but I some how never got into the swing of temping this month, so only have a basic idea of when I O'd. It has been nice not stressing, though. Threadmistress please move me to testing10/16 - 10/22

Risa - Congrats - H & H 9 months
There are some pretty good looking charts out there, so I hope we get some pumpkins soon!

[Amuse Bouche]

Hey -- I have a charting question for y'all. My temp rose this month earlier than it usually does, but I'm still getting serious fertile quality CM. Has this happened to anyone?

[FSUSammy]

Katie - It's probably too late. But yes I think you should test tomorrow morning LOL. Unless you already broke down and tested tonight.

Jess - I hope whatever you guys decide to do works immediately. I know you are impatient, but aren't we all on this board. LOL At least we have each other.

Amuse Bouche - Do you have a link to your chart?

[Loud_curly]

Katie - I'm not sure about testing again - at this point, maybe just wait until the morning? Your chart sure looks good though... I'll be waiting to see your test results.

Polkadot - Wow, that's some regimen - hope it brings you a BFP!

Jess - your chart does look much better today. YAY!

DelSol - Every other day BDing is still really good, especially if this keeps him more in control and interested. I think it's a really good compromise for you two.

ADSigMel and Polkadot - Thanks for the encouraging words, but it's obviously hard to be optimistic about this cycle. It's my first month charting so I don't have a handle on my usual temp. pattern, but I'm guessing my LP has been 13 or 14 days since I've been off BCP (June). My first cycle was 35 days, but I've pretty much been 28-29 days since then, which would put AFs arrival tomorrow or Wednesday. I'm guessing I'll hover near or drop below the CL tomorrow.

Me - Engaged in a bit of retail therapy this afternoon, and found some good stuff. But there were babies and pregnant women everywhere - guess not that many people had off besides the Feds today. It was so distracting! And I picked up tampons and grapefruit juice for this next go round. Now I have to work around DHs' travel schedule, which does not look pretty towards the end of the month. I think that's why I'm most disappointed - we had really good timing for us, even with our travels, and it's going to be harder to get in the BDing as the year comes to an end.

Well, enough of my pity party - let's see some BFPs!!! (Katie or filmgirl)

[DelSol]

ADSigMel ~ things are better and I hope the new Bding schedule works out for. Thank you for saying I still have a chance, if it does happen I will be pleasantly surprised. I know I have had those same feelings as you, it’s very unfair to see people who don’t want children having them.

Polkadot ~ things are better. I know it only takes one but I feel like we should have done at least one more time, unfortunately that didn’t happen. Love the new avatar!

Amuse Bouche ~ Welcome!

Katie ~ I can only see your chart, sending you positive vibes!

Robyn ~ hope work calms down for you, what do you do?

Jess ~ glad to hear the spotting is gone.


Sorry if I missed anyone.

I think I might go take a walk tonight, it's really nice out. DH is in Atlantic City so I have no clue when he'll be back. I gotta go see what's wrong with the cat since he just left me an unpleasant gift on the floor.

[magrat]

You know that dark BFP I ordered? It arrived this morning :)

[katiems118]

Magrat---CONGRATS!!!! YAY

[Amuse Bouche]

Congratulations Magrat! We have the same wedding date -- crossing my fingers I'll follow in your footsteps!

Link to my chart. I'm pretty regular on my o date, and I was pretty surprised to get that high temp on Saturday. Then I forgot my freaking thermometer on Saturday night when I stayed over at my parents' and was surprised to see the high temp again this morning. I even tested my thermometer an hour after getting up to see if it was broken and stuck at 97.7 (99.3 -- nope):

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/44b75

[Loud_curly]

Magrat - YAY!!! Congrats!!! H&H 9 months!

[Jess71903]

Magrat, AWESOME!!!!!! Congrats, girl! Glad it happened again so fast!

[magrat]

Thanks :) I was totally not prepared for it this time because of the red blood I had a few days ago, so I guess it was implantation spotting (though I mentally scowled at anyone who suggested it, sorry! :p ). Last time I was 14 or 15 dpo when I tested and it took the full 3 minutes for a line to show up, and that was so faint I had to hold it to the light and squint. This time I was 13dpo and the test was less sensitive and the line showed up immediately. I wasn't even going to look at it for 3 minutes but as I was putting it down I noticed the line already there. And I haven't had any spotting today and have been having the weirdest twinges and cramps in my abdomen since last night. I had to wait all day to tell DH because he's in England visiting his family until next Monday and I had to wait for him to call. That's why I didn't post and obsess earlier today - he's been known to check my posts on CC and I didn't want him to find out that way :) So I feel much more positive about this pregnancy than the last one when I barely got a line and never had any FPS, but obviously we're not out of the woods yet, so I would rather not graduate for a bit. Now I'm just going to have to figure out how to fess up to my midwife that I didn't follow her instructions...

Oh, and FF thinks I've been pregnant all month, don't know how to fix that: http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/70df2

[RobynScott]

CONGRATS MAGRAT! How exciting! H & H 9 months!

Yay for a nice dark line - I hope that we're all joining you soon!

[polkadot]

Magrat~ That is GREAT news...Congrats and H&H 9 months to you...i hope I get as lucky as you, and get PG this cycle...that would be a miracle with our bd schedule but who knows ;)

Congrats!!!

[DelSol]

Congratulations Magrat! Happy & Healthy 9 Months! That's wonderful news!

[Jess71903]

Magrat- I am so excited for you! On the FF thing...have you tried putting in m/c as one of your symptoms?

[granada]

Congrats to magrat and Risa!

magrat ~ The easiest way I can think of to fix FF is to take out the two postive BFPs you inputted last month.

[DianeCourt]

Congrats, Magrat! :D

Welcome, Amuse Bouche!

[katiems118]

Amuse Bouche-perhaps you O'ed on CD10? You might get EWCM after O...you probably haev to wait a few more temps to see what happens to your chart.

[magrat]

have you tried putting in m/c as one of your symptoms?

I didn't know that was there, but I just tried it and it didn't work. Ah well, *hopefully* I won't need to be looking at ff much longer :)

[ADSigMel]

You know that dark BFP I ordered? It arrived this morning :)

Oh my gosh, CONGRATULATIONS! How fantastic for you! H&H 9 months!

Link to my chart. I'm pretty regular on my o date, and I was pretty surprised to get that high temp on Saturday. Then I forgot my freaking thermometer on Saturday night when I stayed over at my parents' and was surprised to see the high temp again this morning. I even tested my thermometer an hour after getting up to see if it was broken and stuck at 97.7 (99.3 -- nope):

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/44b75

Your chart looks good. I'm thinking you'll get crosshairs tomorrow. I sometimes get fertile CM after O, too.

[risa00]

Congratulations Magrat!!! H&H 9 months to you! :D

[ABirney]

Hi ladies...
Still petsitting, just popped home for a couple hours to do a couple things. (Such as check CC ;) )
Congrats risa and magrat!! H&H 9 months to both of you!
Welcome AmuseBouche!
Sorry to those AF found, and good luck to those testing soon.

I just took my last dose of Provera tonight, so hopefully I'll have AF by the end of the week. I really hope I O next cycle... these annov are frustrating. If I'm not pg by January, I think I'll ask my dr about Clomid.

[polkadot]

Magrat if you look at my chart from last month...i chose miscarriage as a symptom...and it switched my chart...check it out....
http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/b9a0d

[honeygirl]

Wow Magrat, how exciting! I guess we can officially call you fertile now. :) Best wishes for a happy and healthy pregnancy!!!

[granada]

Hey -- I have a charting question for y'all. My temp rose this month earlier than it usually does, but I'm still getting serious fertile quality CM. Has this happened to anyone?

It is possible to still have fertile quality CM after O. I was reading in the TTC rookie thread that the hormones associated with O can still be present after you O and cause the CM. You do have a definite temp jump, so it is possible that you O'ed on CD10. BUT I also noticed that last cycle, you O'ed on CD15. If the later O is more typical for you, and you are TTC, just to cover your bases, I would probably continue BD'ing and see what the next couple of temps tell you. Hope that makes sense.

[magrat]

I guess we can officially call you fertile now.

Not if it doesn't stick. This morning my temp dropped and I'm pretty upset. No blood yet, but definitely not a good sign. I would imagine it's too late to take any progesterone supplements (not that any one knows for sure if they work).

[Cosmogirl]

CONGRATS MAGrAT!!!
H&H pregnancy!:D


This is something I've noted though. The ladies that M/C one month often gets pregoo the month after. I don't know why, or how, but I have so many people around me for who it happened!

[Cosmogirl]

Not if it doesn't stick. This morning my temp dropped and I'm pretty upset. No blood yet, but definitely not a good sign. I would imagine it's too late to take any progesterone supplements (not that any one knows for sure if they work).
My advise to you is stop charting now that you have your BFP. Last time your BFP was weak, but not this time. I had some ups and down when I had mine, and I eventually stopped, because I was just getting crazy about this. Trust your feeling, and go with the flow at this point.
If you have a concern, go and see the doc. He'll be able to draw betas that are much more reliable then temps at this point in time
Good luck girl, hoping for a sticky!:D

[magrat]

cosmogirl Thank you for that, I really appreciate the hope you've given me. I just have to wait and see really I guess. Of course I haven't had the magic 18 high temps yet...today is going to be hard.

[melandtim]

Congrats magrat and Risa - sending sticky thoughts your way :)

AF arrived Saturday so onto cycle #6. DH has his appointment tomorrow with the urologist so hopefully they can do something to help him out.

There is no way I can catch up on SO's since you guys have been so busy so I am sending major babydust to everyone!

[Cosmogirl]

cosmogirl Thank you for that, I really appreciate the hope you've given me. I just have to wait and see really I guess. Of course I haven't had the magic 18 high temps yet...today is going to be hard.
But you have a good BFP. Rely on THAT ;)
Good luck girl, just try not to think about this today. Hugs!

[Cosmogirl]

OK, I have this crazy story to share. I'm sure you are all going to think I'm some nutjob, but anyhow.

The last 2 cycles (not the one I'm going through right now) I had the feeling. You the THE feeling that it was it, I was pregnant. I had M/S, nausea all day long, I was exhasuted, I even had heartburn, heck I even had pre AF spotting once (and that has NEVER happened in my LIFE, except when I got PG). That first cycle, the one that I had preAF spotting, I even had a triphasic chart, I NEVER get that. The only time I did was when I got PG. I was SURE. tested at 12 DPO, it was negative. Onto the next month. Again, all the symptoms, I had the feeling, and yet nothing again. I was getting NUTS. I spend some much time analysing my chart, I just knew. and I was always getting BFN.
A couple of days after I got AF that second month, my sister came home to annouce that she was preggo....2 months preggo. I thought the timing was weird that I SO had the feeling on being preggo these 2 months, and that she came to tell us that she was (and she basically became pregnant on that first cycle where I had pre AF spotting, and a triphasic chart...). But I thought the feelings I had were just because I'm obsessing over wanting to the pg again. Well, get this, this month I don't feel ANYTHING. No feeling, no nausea, even my chart is different then those 2 months (NO triphasique looking chart at all, not even a "implantation dip" that I always get.) not fatigue, or heartbrun or ANYTHING.

Now, I know you guy are going to think I'm nuts, but it ain't the first time I have feeling that something is going to happpen, or flashes like that. It is pretty normal for me. But this time, it was so strong, that I acutally though that is was me being pregnant, and not somebody else. This month, I'm not even obsessing over my chart, I just know nothing is going on.

Ok, I'm sure you all think I'm nuts now...but I had to say it to somebody...:p


ETA!
OMG DH just reminded me something!
When I got preggo, and told my sister, she confessed that that particular month that I got PG, she thought SHE was pg, even though at the time she didn,t have a regular boyfriend, and was not TTC, She even TESTED for it.
:shock: We are nuts!

[kanga1622]

Cosmogirl - That is kinda freaky.:eek: I knew when my sis was pregnant before she did so I totally believe that sometimes our lives become so wrapped up in each other that we get a little cross over.

My temps are wacko. :rolleyes: :( I can't tell if they are artificially high due to the antibiotics and the sinus infection or if I actually have Oed. I'm going to assume that I'm still preO and just keep an eye out for AF signs. I go in later this week for thyroid testing so I'm a little nervous that they will find something wrong and we'll have to stop TTC until they get it figured out. On the other hand I'm worried that they won't find anything wrong and we'll have no idea why we aren't getting pregnant.

:D Congrats Magrat!

[cat_loverpq]

Congratulations Magrat! Sending major *sticky vibes* your way!


catlover - thanks for the offer! I was afraid to ask but I was really thinking we could use a third - I'm happy to do it but the next two weeks are just INSANE!

Just send me a PM with the info and I'll be ready to go! :)

Kanga ~ I hope your testing goes well this week. If it does turn out to be your thyroid, at least it's an easy fix. My dr told me it was better to hold off on TTC until we got my thyroid under control (which took about 6 months) since the condition causes a higher risk of miscarriage. Just an FYI...

[ceaserbride]

Okay, unfortunatly I really don't have time for SO's right now but I just had a quick question. This is my 1st month charting and I try and be as consistant as possible but

Does my chart look too erratic so far???

[FSUSammy]

magrat - Conrats on the BFP!!!! H&H 9 months! Sorry about the temp dip. I'd call up your ob/gyn to see if they can check your numbers to make sure that you are ok. It shouldn't be too late to start progesterone.

mel - Sorry about AF. There are several of us that got hit by AF this weekend. Hopefully this will be the one for all of us.

cosmogirl - That's a very interesting story. It reminds me of one that my aunt told me. She told me that when she was PG with my cousin my uncle had tons of pg symptoms. Very strange, but I guess it can happen.

Kanga - Hope your testing goes well and I hope you feel better.

Me - CD 3 today. Took my first Clomid last night. So far no symptoms. I do have a minor headache, but I doubt its related. AF is super light which I don't mind. It's so light that I don't know if I should maybe consider it spotting. TMI alert TMI alert..... I use tampons during the day at work and typically use the lite versions because the regular is too much for me. Well in the 6-7 hours I'm hardly even filling up one. Whatever is there is bright red so is this AF or spotting?

Sam

[Loud_curly]

Morning ladies!

Kanga - Hope your testing goes well!

Sammy - Not sure about the light flow. I think that if it's bright red, then it's AF, regardless of flow rate.

Mel - Sorry about AF.

Magrat - Sticky vibes!!! Hope your temp stays up!

Caesarbride - I don't think your chart looks that erratic. My temps were all over the place during the first week of my cycle before settling down.

Cosmogirl - Great story! Hope that maybe this is it for you with no symptoms!

Me - Still waiting for AF to arrive. My temp crept up a bit this morning, so I'm still above the CL, but not expecting anything. My DH was so sweet last night comforting me, saying it'll happen when it happens and we have plenty of time and other things to distract ourselves with until that time, which is completely true.

[RobynScott]

Hey Ladies,

Another quick drive by - I wish I was PG so I had an excuse to blame my out-of-control bad mood on! Ugh - I am in a foul mood right now - ready to bite everyone's head off. Of course, it could have something to do with how tired I am - right now, I really wish I drank coffee - b/c I am like a coffee drinker without her morning cup of coffee - not nice!

Ugh!

Magrat - CONGRATULATIONS!

Catlover - I will PM you later.

Cosmo - I think that is really cool about you and your sis!

Frantically waving hello to everyone else!

Ok - back to work - see you all later - have a great day!

[tealynn]

Magrat, I don't think it's too late to start the progesterone. Please call your midwife ASAP and let her know what's up! SOs later!

[melandtim]

Sammy - I have the same issue, mine is so light most of the time I am not sure when to actually put down CD1.

Ceasarbride - HCarting in the beginning can be difficult. Hopefully your cycels will be pretty similar each month and you will be able to notice a pattern. Mine are completely different each month so its confusing.

[katiems118]

temp dropped to the CL today. Guess AF will be here today. Gotta get ready for work,

[SQ2]

Welcome, Amuse Bouche!

Congratulations, magrat! Sticky vibes to you!

* * *

Ok, I'm an idiot, I still don't get the quoting thing. I see the button at the bottom right corner, and I click on it, but what do you do after that? Do you have to highlight each part you want to quote and then hit the button after each highlight? :confused:

[Cosmogirl]

Ok, I'm an idiot, I still don't get the quoting thing. I see the button at the bottom right corner, and I click on it, but what do you do after that? Do you have to highlight each part you want to quote and then hit the button after each highlight? :confused:
Just click on every button of the post you want to quote, and then click post reply.:D

[SQ2]

Just click on every button of the post you want to quote, and then click post reply.:D Yay, it worked! Thanks! :)

[cat_loverpq]

ceasarbride ~ No, your chart looks just fine. :) It may take a couple months but you will begin to see where you pre-O temp range is and post-O temp range. Spike-y looking charts are perfectly normal so long as they stay within the same general range(s).

Robyn ~ I'll be on the lookout!

[tealynn]

Cosmogirl, are you and your sister twins? Or just close IRL...

Sorry Katie about your temp drop...I'm sure you're bummed out!

Ceasarbride, after you chart a couple of months you'll see that it's the overall picture that counts and not the day to day ups and downs.

FSUSammy, that's a tough call about spotting or actual flow. I guess the rule is bright red, right? Is AF usually very light?

Loud_curly, that's really sweet of your DH to be so supportive. I've seen many of them be the complete opposite—including mine!

Kanga, your temps do seem kind of erratic. I would blame it on your SI and keep BDing! Good luck w/ your thyroid test...hopefully it's an easy fix.

Magrat, I hope you're doing okay. Check in with us later and let us know what's up!

Told DH that it was 5 straight nights of BDing from now until Sunday. As I suspected, he just said giddyup.

I ordered some books yesterday from Amazon.com, Conception Chronicles "The Uncensored Truth About Sex, Love & Marriage When You're Trying to Get Pregnant" that RobynScott had mentioned, Laughin'fertility: A Bundle of Observations for the Baby-making Challenged and Girlfriend to Girlfriend: A Fertility Companion

I just needed a lighthearted look at what I'm experiencing. Plus, it never hurts to realize that many, many people have had the same challenges and overcome them. I'll be sure to report back when I'm done.

[ADSigMel]

Cosmogirl - You don't sound like a nutjob at all. My mom and my sister and I are all like that. Once, when I was away at boarding school, I had a terrible pain in my right eye all of a sudden, and it got all red and irritated. I called my mom and she said that one of my sister's classmates had accidentally poked my sister in the eye that day. Also, my mom sometimes accidentally calls my sister by my name. Sometimes I hear her, and call her to remind her which one of her daughters is which, LOL. :)

My temps are wacko. :rolleyes: :( I can't tell if they are artificially high due to the antibiotics and the sinus infection or if I actually have Oed. I'm going to assume that I'm still preO and just keep an eye out for AF signs. I go in later this week for thyroid testing so I'm a little nervous that they will find something wrong and we'll have to stop TTC until they get it figured out. On the other hand I'm worried that they won't find anything wrong and we'll have no idea why we aren't getting pregnant.

I hope everything goes well with your appointment. To be honest, I was disappointed to find out that my thyroid was functioning normally. If there's no discernible hormonal reason, then why don't I ovulate?! :confused:

Okay, unfortunatly I really don't have time for SO's right now but I just had a quick question. This is my 1st month charting and I try and be as consistant as possible but

Does my chart look too erratic so far???

Your chart looks fine to me.

CD 3 today. Took my first Clomid last night. So far no symptoms. I do have a minor headache, but I doubt its related. AF is super light which I don't mind. It's so light that I don't know if I should maybe consider it spotting. TMI alert TMI alert..... I use tampons during the day at work and typically use the lite versions because the regular is too much for me. Well in the 6-7 hours I'm hardly even filling up one. Whatever is there is bright red so is this AF or spotting?

Sam

I'd call it AF if it's red. I'm glad you're not experiencing too much in the way of side effects.

Morning ladies!

Me - Still waiting for AF to arrive. My temp crept up a bit this morning, so I'm still above the CL, but not expecting anything. My DH was so sweet last night comforting me, saying it'll happen when it happens and we have plenty of time and other things to distract ourselves with until that time, which is completely true.

I don't know, I still like your chart. It ain't over 'til it's over, you know?

Hey Ladies,

Another quick drive by - I wish I was PG so I had an excuse to blame my out-of-control bad mood on! Ugh - I am in a foul mood right now - ready to bite everyone's head off. Of course, it could have something to do with how tired I am - right now, I really wish I drank coffee - b/c I am like a coffee drinker without her morning cup of coffee - not nice!

Ugh!



Oh, you poor darling. You have another two weeks of this crazy schedule? :(

temp dropped to the CL today. Guess AF will be here today. Gotta get ready for work,

Sorry to see that your temp dropped. But at least the chart pattern this month was nice and clear, and similar to previous cycles. That's a good thing, right?

[ADSigMel]

Told DH that it was 5 straight nights of BDing from now until Sunday. As I suspected, he just said giddyup.


LOL, that statement totally just made my day. :p Can't wait to hear what you thought of the books.

[magrat]

I called the clinic and the same nurse who was so nice last time said to come in right away and she would take some blood to test my betas. I've never had blood drawn before so it was a bit of a challenge, she dug around in one arm but couldn't get it in so had to do the other one ::shiver:: What we do for children, huh? She said she'd get the results this afternoon but I don't know that she'll call me. So I have another appointment Thursday morning for the second draw, if I make it that long. She said to stop temping, not sure if I will or not. I would be a huge relief to see it go back up tomorrow and at that point I would stop, but if it's still down...well, I'll be where I am now anyway.

Still no spotting at all though.

[katiems118]

I moved my O date to CD 22, which makes today 14dpo, very crampy, with the lower temp I didnt test this morning because I "feel" like AF will be here today, who knows what time, she seems to just walk in when ever she feels like it, morning, noon, night...shes not very consistent with her arrival times, since going off the pill, on the pill she would show up at 9am like clockwork....

tealynn-have fun with the BDing marathon!
cesearbride-I think your chart looks fine, give it a few more days and it might be a little easier to read.
magrat-thats great you had the blood draw, hopefully the betas will go up up up up up up

[Loud_curly]

Tealynn - Your BD statement just cracked me up - have fun the next few days ;) ! Keep us posted about the books.

Magrat - Hope the clinic calls with the results to put you at ease.

ADSigMel - Thanks for the support, but I'm really not optimistic. However, at least I have a better idea of the way my body works now for future purposes.

Katie - I'm with you on the AF symptoms. I've been crampy for the past 2 days, which corresponds to my low temps, and everytime I go to the bathroom I think she's arrived.

[FSUSammy]

FSUSammy, that's a tough call about spotting or actual flow. I guess the rule is bright red, right? Is AF usually very light?


AF is usually light but this is awfully light!

[magrat]

right now, I really wish I drank coffee - b/c I am like a coffee drinker without her morning cup of coffee - not nice!

I know exactly what you mean, I often feel like I need a coffee, but I don't drink it! Makes me wonder if the people who do drink it actually need a cup or if it's an excuse? :)

It feels so weird to be going through all this with DH thousands of miles away. Of course, we got engaged over the phone with him thousands of miles away, so I guess I'm kind of used to it. I'm sure it's really hard for him right now too, but on the other hand, it's probably kind of nice to be away from the crazy :) I'm sure he'd rather not know about every little twinge or spot or temp fluctuation, and if he were here I would have to share with him :)

The nurse actually said something about checking for a bunch of different things with the blood she took, but for some reason I didn't ask. What is it about doctors and nurses that make someone so totally pro-active and into research just sit there meekly and not say anything??

[ceaserbride]

Thanks girls! I just noticed that I'm becoming addicted to trying to "interpret" my chart...even though there is nothing to see yet!

Sorry I can't keep up with SO's and stuff but I love all the info. and to follow along.

I hope no one minds if I just jump in once in a while to ask a question or two or to just update.

Good luck everybody:)

[magrat]

AF is usually light but this is awfully light!

One thing I've learned from this journey is to expect the unexpected. As soon as you get used to something happening one way it changes!

[Amuse Bouche]

Well, I got dotted crosshairs this morning. Apparently, FF is just as confused as I am. I do usually (ie, always) ovulate on CD15, but I've been taking Vitex to lengthen my LP and it may have moved my O date earlier.

[magrat]

My betas are 424! That's just right. Now we just have to see if it doubles. I know I'm not out of the woods, but it sure makes me feel a lot better!

[FSUSammy]

My betas are 424! That's just right. Now we just have to see if it doubles. I know I'm not out of the woods, but it sure makes me feel a lot better!

YAY!!!! Do you have to go for another blood test in a few days?

[magrat]

YAY!!!! Do you have to go for another blood test in a few days?

Yep, Thursday morning. No wonder my HPT came up positive so fast yesterday, it could detect HCG of 50!

[RobynScott]

YAY Magrat!!!!!! CONGRATULATIONS!

Now, could you start passing out some of that babydust? (not all of it - just some to share ;))

[cat_loverpq]

Yay, magrat! That's great news!

[tealynn]

Magrat, what a relief...and what a great nurse. I'm thinking very sticky thoughts for you!

[DianeCourt]

Magrat: What awesome news. Hang in there 'till Thursday & I agree with some of the others....stop taking your temp!

[FSUSammy]

Hey ladies. Doing a quick check-in. I'm suffering my 1st Clomid side effect, mild headaches. I've had a mild/borderline migraine ALL DAY!!! And of course I have no pain killers with me at work. So I'm suffering like crazy. I'd go buy a coke for the caffeine but I haven't had caffeine since August due to my reflux and I don't want to go down that road. I plan on stopping by a drugstore to pick up some pain killers to keep at work for when this happens. Hopefully tomorrow will be a better day.

Sam

[SQ2]

Yay, magrat! :D

FSUSammy....that sucks about the headaches. Hope you feel better soon.

[Loud_curly]

Magrat - YAY! Most welcome news, I'm sure.

Sammy - So sorry that the headaches have found you. Hope you get some pain relief soon!

I'm heading out for the evening - going to see the So You Think You Can Dance tour this evening in DC. Still no AF - she'll probably come tomorrow.

[Jess71903]

Pretty sure AF decided today was the day:mad: . I am devistated, but DH's comforting thought was "what did you expect?" Thanks, hon. Glad to know you're there for me:rolleyes: . Now I have to decide what I want to do this month, if anything. I am just so sick of this.:(

ETA: I am such a selfish jerk. I meant to say
Sammy- I am sorry about your headaches. Clomid may be in my very near future.

Magrat- I knew it! I am so glad your betas look good and I am sure they will double by Thurs. Throw that thermometer in the drawer!

[katiems118]

Sorry about AF Jess

Not sure what is going on, earlier today I had a lot of creamy CM, then now, I had just the smallest amount of brown...no red though, guess Im crazy with the low temp still holding out?

[honeygirl]

The multi-quote button sure makes SO's easier!

Hey ladies. Doing a quick check-in. I'm suffering my 1st Clomid side effect, mild headaches. I've had a mild/borderline migraine ALL DAY!!! And of course I have no pain killers with me at work. So I'm suffering like crazy. I'd go buy a coke for the caffeine but I haven't had caffeine since August due to my reflux and I don't want to go down that road. I plan on stopping by a drugstore to pick up some pain killers to keep at work for when this happens. Hopefully tomorrow will be a better day.
Sam
Sorry to hear about the headaches. :( Do you have a history of migraines? I hope that it goes away soon!

My betas are 424! That's just right. Now we just have to see if it doubles. I know I'm not out of the woods, but it sure makes me feel a lot better!
Congrats again Magrat!! 424 sounds pretty high to me. When does your DH come back home? I can imagine I'd be a bit jumpy going through early pregnancy with my sweetie far away. You can keep checking in with us. :)

I moved my O date to CD 22, which makes today 14dpo, very crampy, with the lower temp I didnt test this morning because I "feel" like AF will be here today, who knows what time, she seems to just walk in when ever she feels like it, morning, noon, night...shes not very consistent with her arrival times, since going off the pill, on the pill she would show up at 9am like clockwork....
Sounds like you're in another stressful part of your cycle right now. Hang in there, think calm happy thoughs and keep praying that AF stays away! Best wishes.

My temps are wacko. I can't tell if they are artificially high due to the antibiotics and the sinus infection or if I actually have Oed. I'm going to assume that I'm still preO and just keep an eye out for AF signs. I go in later this week for thyroid testing so I'm a little nervous that they will find something wrong and we'll have to stop TTC until they get it figured out. On the other hand I'm worried that they won't find anything wrong and we'll have no idea why we aren't getting pregnant.

Kanga, sounds like things are very stressful for you right now. Doesn't it seem like there are too many things to worry about with TTC? If it's not one thing it's another. Good luck with identifying your O date, I can completely relate with that right now!

I'm heading out for the evening - going to see the So You Think You Can Dance tour this evening in DC. Still no AF - she'll probably come tomorrow.
Oooo, I am so jealous. I was a complete fan of that show. Have fun tonight!! You should post about it in the thread for that show.

Pretty sure AF decided today was the day:mad: . I am devistated, but DH's comforting thought was "what did you expect?" Thanks, hon. Glad to know you're there for me:rolleyes: . Now I have to decide what I want to do this month, if anything. I am just so sick of this.
ETA: I am such a selfish jerk.
Jess, first off you are not a selfish jerk. You are allowed to be upset about your cycles. I am so sorry to hear that AF arrived. Also that your DH didn't respond the way you'd have liked. I pray that you will have a overwhelming sense of peace today.

Me: I wasn't successful in getting DH to BD last night. He thought we were done for the cycle already. It is hard with such a LONG fertile window to keep up the every other day schedule. We're not bunnies dammit!! I was pretty disappointed (I know you all understand this) and decided that we'd just give up for this cycle. However, this morning we were able to BD (despite the workmen right outside ;) ). Honestly I don't know how much longer we can go on this way. And I don't think we're fertile right now anyway (CM not very fertile). Sigh. Time will tell.

[polkadot]

sammy~Sorry about the headache...that was my only s/e the first cycle but it never happened the 2nd cycle...I hope you start to feel better soon.

magrat~ I am so glad that your betas are good....I was so sad this morning when I read your temp dipped...your betas are great and I agree with the previous poster...Throw away the thermometer!! H&H 9 months!!

jess~ Sorry about AF....hubby's never know what to say...they are usually just freaked out to see us so upset about something like a period. I think its b/c they are all so confident it will happen that they just think " On to next month" with out even thinking about our feelings...sending lots of (((hugs))) your way.

honeygirl~ I understand your frustration...I usually O late unless I am on Clomid, and its hard to not start bding to early...you get tired very quickly...the thing you have to remember that as long as you bd every 2-3 days you should have your bases covered....

Me~ Still waiting on Af...I just wish she would hurry the hell up...i am getting impatient...I want to cycle to be O-V-E-R!!

[DelSol]

Sorry I was MIA today.

magrat ~ woo hoo for the good betas!

sammy ~ sorry about the headache.

jess ~ sorry about AF.

katie ~ anything happen that could throw the temp off?

honeygirl ~ I’m sorry you are disappointed, we've all been there. I had to LOL about the bunnies, unfortunately we are not bunnies, if we were it'd be a lot easier.

polkadot ~ I hope AF shows soon, so you can move onto your next cycle.





I am exhausted, I don't know why but I really couldn't keep my eyes open today. I went to bed at 11PM and up by 7AM so I shouldn't be tired, sleep really well too. I thought water aerobics would help but no such luck, I feel good that I worked out but still tired. I don't know if that's a FPS or what but I'm feeling that today.

[Chris~n~Jen]

Oh my goodness! I haven't been able to get online since Saturday and I come back today and see I've missed 20 pages!! :eek: That's just how freakin' fast this thread moves.

First of all Congrats to Risa & magrat!
Secondly thanks so much cat_lover for offering to help. I'm not sure if Robyn set you the info yet but I just pm'd you.
Finally I really need to apoligize to you all for being such a horrible threadmistress. With the new job and moving I just haven't had time to get on-line at all. I'm actually at a friends house tonight since my computer is still not set up at home yet. Also AF showed on Saturday and really just put me in a bad mood. I wasn't sure when I O'd so I really wasn't sure when to expect it. So that sucked. Chris and I have decided that since I'm switching insurance and we are getting ready to go on vacation in a couple of weeks that we are going to go back to taking a break and just seeing what happens. I never did get around to getting a new thermometer anyway. :( I just really feel that we aren't going to get preggo without some kind of medical help and we are going to have to wait a couple of weeks for the new insurance to switch over. After 14 cycles, it gets kinda discouraging. :( Sorry to be in a foul mood, just so much going on. I'll try and be around more often.

[polkadot]

oh jen...that is perfectly fine...you do what you think it right for you and chris...taking a break and waiting for insurance may be just what yall need.

Brian is looking into a different job at the moment and we are hoping that he gets i