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IrisHope
08-16-2006, 02:31 PM
-- A suspect in the JonBenet Ramsey murder has been arrested in Thailand, Denver TV station KUSA reports. CNN working to confirm.
diam124
08-16-2006, 02:35 PM
I saw that too. The tv station's website says that the person has confessed to parts of the crime not known to the general public. What an odd twist in this story! If this is indeed the person who killed her it's too bad Patsy Ramsey died before this was known.
BethIrish
08-16-2006, 02:39 PM
Wow. I was just watching the True Hollywood Story (or some type of show like that) the other day on this case and was thinking how sad it was that we'd never know the truth.
I really, really hope that this guy did it and that family can finally be at peace.
Sophia
08-16-2006, 02:42 PM
This is the CNN banner:
Authorities arrest a suspect in Bangkok, Thailand, in the JonBenet Ramsey murder case, two law enforcement officials confirm to CNN.
I'm really surprised. It's been so long.
IrisHope
08-16-2006, 02:43 PM
Too bad her mom had to die before this....
IrisHope, you're fast. I was just coming in here to post a thread about this.
If this guy did it and her parents weren't involved, how very sad that they've had to live under suspicion for so long. And how sad that her mother died before finding this man. :(
Sophia
08-16-2006, 02:47 PM
From CNN
Authorities have made an arrest in the JonBenet Ramsey case, law enforcement sources told CNN on Wedesday.
An investigator with the Boulder County, Colorado, District Attorney's office traveled to Bangkok, Thailand, and is bringing a suspect back to the United States, CNN's Denver affiliate KUSA reported.
The suspect was arrested Wednesday morning and has confessed to certain elements of the crime that are unknown to the general public, KUSA reported.
Prosecutors have not confirmed the identity of the suspect, but expect to hold a press conference later today.
JonBenet's beaten and strangled body was found in the basement of the family home in Boulder, Colorado, the day after Christmas in 1996.
A grand jury investigation into the death of the child beauty pageant winner ended without charges in 1999.
The investigation focused a spotlight on the child's parents, John and Patsy Ramsey. Patsy Ramsey died in June.
The Ramseys said an intruder committed the crime, but they remained the subject of suspicion and speculation.
"The Ramseys left Colorado and had a house in Charlevoix, Michigan, where John Ramsey unsuccessfully ran for office in 2004, and in Atlanta, Georgia.
udsweetpea
08-16-2006, 02:51 PM
And this whole time I thought it was the parents... or maybe the brother.
IrisHope
08-16-2006, 02:56 PM
You thought it was her brother? Was he a suspect??
Sophia
08-16-2006, 03:18 PM
Another CNN banner:
The man arrested in the JonBenet Ramsey murder case is a 41-year-old American second-grade schoolteacher, CBS reports.
That's very disturbing, to say the least.
jenahdawn
08-16-2006, 03:20 PM
EVERYONE in that house was a suspect at one point or another....
dionysia
08-16-2006, 03:38 PM
Holy cannoli. :eek:
Somewhat OT: I can't believe that she'd be 16 today if she had lived.
Di
Kimberland30
08-16-2006, 04:07 PM
I just saw this on MSNBC and heard the news, figured I'd come here since they were taking so long to announce "details". All I can say is HOLY CRAP. I can't believe it's been almost 10 years and they are now arresting someone. I'd like to see how it came about that they have arrested a 2nd grade teacher in Thailand. Very interesting.
I feel so sorry for the Ramseys. I didn't think they had anything to do with it from the begining, and I'm assuming that this arrest has nothing to do with them. What I find amazing is that through all of that, the parents stayed together. I can't imagine what a strain it must have been to their family, not only having their beautiful daughter killed, but to live under that suspicion for almost a decade. I'm also sorry that Patsy wasn't here to see this happen.
Sophia
08-16-2006, 04:20 PM
CNN has updated their story.
(CNN) -- A suspect has been arrested "for the December 26, 1996, murder of JonBenet Ramsey," the district attorney in Boulder, Colorado, said Wednesday.
A law enforcement source identified the suspect as 41-year-old John Mark Carr, a one-time school teacher. He was arrested in Bangkok, Thailand, following "several months of a focused and complex investigation," District Attorney Mary Lacy said.
Two law enforcement sources told CNN that Carr was under investigation for an unrelated sex crime.
Carr was arrested Wednesday morning and has confessed to certain elements of the crime that are unknown to the general public, CNN affiliate KUSA reported.
An investigator with the District Attorney's office is bringing Carr to Colorado from Thailand.
JonBenet's parents, John and Patsy Ramsey, were both consulted during the investigation, Lacy said, and the Ramsey family had been notified of the arrest. Patsy Ramsey died in June of ovarian cancer at age 49.
"It is our hope that this arrest will bring some closure to the Ramsey family after a 10-year ordeal," said the family's attorney, Hal Haddon.
JonBenet's father, John Ramsey, told 9NEWS in Denver that he has been notified of the arrest. Asked if he knew Carr, Ramsey replied, "To the best of my knowledge, no," the station's Web site reported.
Prosecutors in Boulder are expected to hold a news conference Thursday.
<snip>
CNN's Kelli Arena contributed to this report.
BridalLace
08-16-2006, 04:44 PM
sooo glad someone was finally arrested. how horrifying that this man was ever a teacher. WTF?! and not surprised that he was arrested in Thailand. some of the most despicable people go to East Asia to enjoy the child sex slave trade. so effing disgusting. but i'm glad that law enforcement in Thailand apparently saw reason to get him off their streets as well.
sorry Patsy Ramsey did not live to see this day.
hope DNA testing proves this guy is the one.
and not surprised that he was arrested in Thailand. some of the most despicable people go to East Asia to enjoy the child sex slave trade.
I was thinking the same thing.
mrs_pell
08-16-2006, 08:42 PM
My husband and I were talking about this earlier. One, I'm glad that at least Patsy knew that they pretty much had a suspect before she died. I wish she would have been able to see his arrest, trial, conviction, and sentence as well though. :( Two, I think that a LOT of people owe the Ramseys a HUGE apology, mainly the media who basically crucified them. Think of the made-for-tv movies that were made about it, totallly making it look like it was the parents. It is so sad that these people were never really allowed to grieve for their daughter b/c they were too busy defending themselves. :(
I hope that this is all finalized very soon.
greenbunny
08-16-2006, 09:18 PM
The story on CNN is now saying the dad doesn't know who the guy is. I really, really thought if it wasn't a family member, it was a close friend or neighbor, at least. A total stranger surprises me.
I feel bad, in the back of my mind I always thought the Ramsey's had something to do with it. I am just glad Patsy knew before they died that there was a real suspect. I hope that brought her some comfort.
summer girl
08-16-2006, 09:45 PM
Wow. I thought that one would never be solved. That poor family.
LeslieandPaul
08-16-2006, 11:22 PM
I just read this on msn. Wow. It's unbelievable that they have a suspect after 10 years.
MSN article (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14379566/?GT1=8404)
paulinaaa
08-17-2006, 02:26 AM
It didn't take long to get this accused man on wikipedia...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mark_Karr
bethnjim
08-17-2006, 05:27 AM
I am so glad they have finally found who appears to be the person who killed JonBenet...I never thought it was her parents...but how did this guy get access to her and the house?? Was it a one time thing because I thought from the evidence that they said she was molested/raped prior to this. :mad:
My heart just breaks for this poor child and family. What a disgusting PIG and to say it was an accident and he was in love with her. If found guilty, he needs to go to the chair.:mad:
I never thought it was her parents...but how did this guy get access to her and the house??
i thought her parents were at a party when she went missing. i am not sure, though. also, if it happened in the basement, i know that it is hard to hear what is going on in our basment when we are in other parts of the house.
cosmic
08-17-2006, 05:37 AM
BANGKOK, Thailand (AP) -- The suspect in the JonBenet Ramsey
slaying has told The Associated Press he's "very sorry for what
happened to JonBenet" and that he loves her "very much."
paulinaaa
08-17-2006, 05:39 AM
And the Smoking Gun. (which shows a picture of him)
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/jonbenet/jonbenet_casefile.html
"very sorry for what
happened to JonBenet" and that he loves her "very much."
that's so sick.
Kimberland30
08-17-2006, 06:13 AM
More info than what's been posted already...
BANGKOK, Thailand - A former American school teacher said publicly Thursday he was with JonBenet Ramsey when she was killed and called the 6-year-old's death "an accident," a stunning admission that should help answer 10 years of questions in the unsolved murder case.
John Mark Karr, 41, will be taken within the week to Colorado, where he will face charges of first degree murder, kidnapping and child sexual assault, Ann Hurst of the Department of Homeland Security told a news conference in Bangkok.
"I was with JonBenet when she died," John Mark Karr told reporters afterward, visibly nervous and stuttering as he spoke. "Her death was an accident."
Asked if he was innocent of the crime, Karr said: "No."
Karr confessed to the killing after his arrest Wednesday at his downtown Bangkok apartment by Thai and American authorities, said Lt. Gen. Suwat Tumrongsiskul, head of Thailand's immigration police.
He said Karr insisted his crime was not first-degree murder but that she died during a kidnapping attempt that went awry.
"He said it was second-degree murder. He said it was unintentional. He said he was in love with the child, she was a pageant queen," Suwat said.
Karr declined to say what his connection was to the Ramsey family. Dressed in a turquoise polo shirt and khaki trousers, he appeared ashen with an expressionless look on his face.
An attorney for the Ramsey family said Wednesday that Karr once lived near the family in Conyers, Ga.
JonBenet was found beaten and strangled in the basement of the family's home in Boulder, Colo., on Dec. 26, 1996.
Wednesday's arrest was a surprise development in one of America's most lurid murder cases, which had left a cloud of suspicion over her family after years went by with no arrests. Some feared the case would never be solved.
Striking video images of the blonde-haired girl in child beauty pageants helped propel the case into one of the highest-profile mysteries in the United States.
A law enforcement source, speaking on condition of anonymity, told the AP that Karr had been communicating periodically with somebody in Boulder who had been following the case and cooperating with law enforcement officials.
A University of Colorado spokesman, Barrie Hartman, said journalism professor Michael Tracey communicated with Karr over several months and contacted police. The university spokesman said he didn't know what prompted Tracey to become suspicious of Karr.
Tracey produced a documentary in 2004 called "Who Killed JonBenet?" A woman who answered the phone at a number under his name said he didn't live there anymore; his office phone mailbox was full.
The Ramseys learned that police were investigating Karr at least a month before the June death of JonBenet's mother, Patsy Ramsey, of ovarian cancer, the family said.
In a statement Wednesday, father John Ramsey said that if his wife had lived to see Karr's arrest, she "would no doubt have been as pleased as I am with today's development almost 10 years after our daughter's murder."
Suwat quoted Karr as saying he tried to kidnap JonBenet for a $118,000 ransom but that his plan went awry and he strangled her. Patsy Ramsey reported finding a ransom note in the house demanding $118,000 for her daughter.
Investigators said at one point that JonBenet's parents were under an "umbrella of suspicion" in the slaying, and some news accounts cast suspicion on JonBenet's older brother, Burke. But the Ramseys insisted an intruder killed their daughter, and no one was ever charged.
Over the years, some experts suggested that investigators had botched the case so thoroughly that it might never be solved. The Ramseys moved back to Atlanta after their daughter's slaying.
"It's been a very long 10 years, and I'm just sorry Patsy isn't here for me to hug her neck," said Lin Wood, the family's longtime attorney.
"John and Patsy lived their lives knowing they were innocent, trying to raise a son despite the furor around them," Wood told MSNBC.
Suwat said U.S. authorities informed Thai police on Aug. 11 that an arrest warrant had been issued for Karr on charges of premeditated murder. The warrant was sent to Thai police on Wednesday.
"Through investigation we were able to determine where his residence was and the Thais arrested him," Hurst said. "He did not resist. He did express surprise."
Hurst said Karr has been "very cooperative" with authorities and that he's shown a "variety of emotions."
Suwat said Karr arrived in Bangkok on June 6 from Malaysia to look for a teaching job. It was not clear whether he had gotten a job, the police officer said.
Karr's visa has been revoked as an "undesirable person" given the accusations against him, and U.S. authorities were expected to take him to the United States in the next few days, Suwat said.
Hurst, with the department's U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement in Bangkok, said that Karr had left the United States several years ago and had not returned.
The immigration and customs office had assisted the Boulder County District Attorney's Office and the Royal Thai Police in the investigation.
The suspect, who has been in Thailand five times over the past two years, was being detained by immigration police pending arrival of U.S. officials, Suwat said.
When asked how he could travel for so many years in Asia, and whether he was independently wealthy, Hurst responded, "We're asking the same questions."
Police said Karr had been living in a dormitory-style hotel called The Blooms in a neighborhood of massage parlors and travel agents that cater to expatriate residents and sex tourists. The nine-story hotel offers rooms for as short as three-hour rentals.
The district attorney in Boulder, Mary Lacy, said the arrest followed several months of work.
She said Karr, who had traveled extensively across the world, may also be connected to a prior case in Santa Rosa County, Calif. She did not provide further details.
Sonoma County Chief Deputy District Attorney Joan Risse confirmed the child pornography charges and arrest warrant against a John Mark Karr, though she cautioned that she didn't know if he was the same person held Bangkok. State records show Karr lost his teaching credential in 2002.
Source: Yahoo News
camberne
08-17-2006, 06:16 AM
I'm glad that there is a lead, but I'm still pretty skeptical about it. Why did this man hold a press conference?? I'm really afraid that this guy is just a loon who is looking for his 15 minutes of fame. I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't have a good feeling about him.
thedoorchick
08-17-2006, 06:17 AM
I'm glad that there is a lead, but I'm still pretty skeptical about it. Why did this man hold a press conference?? I'm really afraid that this guy is just a loon who is looking for his 15 minutes of fame. I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't have a good feeling about him.
This is how I feel too. It just seems too weird that after 10 years, this guy is not only being arrested but is admitting to it as well?
IrisHope
08-17-2006, 06:30 AM
"He said it was second-degree murder. He said it was unintentional. He said he was in love with the child, she was a pageant queen," Suwat said.
I am just sick to my stomach.
bethnjim
08-17-2006, 06:36 AM
I'm glad that there is a lead, but I'm still pretty skeptical about it. Why did this man hold a press conference?? I'm really afraid that this guy is just a loon who is looking for his 15 minutes of fame. I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't have a good feeling about him.
I thought the same thing when I first watched it, but then I went over CNN and they are saying they found DNA in her underwear and they think it might have red flagged when he was arrested because it matched. I don't know if that is confirmed or what someone thinks. Also, they say he knew things that no one else knew about the case...things never made public!
why would he have ransomed her for a $118,000? that's a strange number to choose. it's just strange that a person with his profile would even consider ransoming. it sounds more premeditated to me, and he wrote the ransom note to throw the police off.
akacharlotte
08-17-2006, 06:55 AM
As a couple of PP poster's mentioned I am hoping this individual is not looking for his 15 minutes of fame because that would be heartwrenching. However, with the DNA they found on her body at the scene it may match his own. I truly hope that is the case.
I'm wondering if he was stalking the family without their knowledge. He gained access to their home without their knowledge but again the Ramsey's were active in their community and had numerous parties. It is possible he was a guest in their home at least once.
It was also mentioned that he picked her up at school. I'm confused over that statement. It was the day after Christmas. Why was she at school?
Sin Nombre
08-17-2006, 07:04 AM
I don't think he's looking for his 15 minutes...apparently, this arrest has been in the works for months and months.
To us, it's out of the blue and shocking 'new' news. To the police, it's the fruition of many months, perhaps years, of following the lead to someone they know committed the crime, and finally securing the evidence necessary to make an arrest. Similar to Scott Peterson; the police knew he did it from day one; they just needed time to gather the evidence.
I'm glad Patsy knew it was in the works when she died.
He said he was in love with the child, she was a pageant queen
That just turns my stomach. That poor little girls was dressed up to look like a grown woman w/makeup and done up hair, and this sick, sick bastard thought that meant she was a grown woman who he could be "in love" with.
IrisHope
08-17-2006, 07:11 AM
Which is why I am so against those type of beauty pageants!
BlackMagicRose
08-17-2006, 07:11 AM
I just mentioned this case to my FH the other day and wondered what happend. To my surprise....there was this guy's face on the front of Yahoo...
This guy looks a lot like Jeffery Dahmer to me...the same spooky quality..
I can not believe he used to be a school teacher. It is scary.
I have not been up to date with this lately. Can someone tell me how Patsy died??
since he mentioned her being a pageant queen, i wondered if he originally first saw her in a pageant and then started stalking her through the pageants. are the pageants just open to anyone who wants to watch? also, sometimes the post those pageants in the newspapers. was her picture ever in a newspaper and he may have become fixated on her from seeing her picture in a newspaper?
has anyone noticed that the media has started using more "normal" pictures of jon benet for the news stories?
greenbunny
08-17-2006, 07:13 AM
Can someone tell me how Patsy died??
Ovarian cancer.
BlackMagicRose
08-17-2006, 07:15 AM
Ovarian cancer.
Thanks for letting me know. I am so sorry she will not be able to see this man get what he deserves.
Adaya
08-17-2006, 07:22 AM
has anyone noticed that the media has started using more "normal" pictures of jon benet for the news stories?
Yes I immediately noticed this. I have seen much coverage about this being here in Atlanta since the family lives here. For instance, the whole first segment of the 6 and 11 pm news was about this story.
Anyway, it's like now all of the pictures are just regular pics of Jon Benet. I guess since this suspect has said that he fell in love with her after seeing her in a pagaent, the media wants to get those pictures out of our minds.
But it was okay to use the "dolled up" pictures when her parents were suspects and when all these tv shows and media outlets considered the Ramseys bad parents to have put Jon Benet in these pagaents.
I swear the media is a trip....so fickle.
akacharlotte
08-17-2006, 07:27 AM
has anyone noticed that the media has started using more "normal" pictures of jon benet for the news stories?
Actually no. On Nancy Grace last night and either CNN or MSNBC they were showing her pageant videos alot. She was such a cutie. I can't believe it has been 10 years.
oh, i still saw some of her pageant pictures, but i don't recall ever seeing a normal picture of her until now.
gayle
08-17-2006, 07:31 AM
My husband and I were talking about this earlier. One, I'm glad that at least Patsy knew that they pretty much had a suspect before she died. I wish she would have been able to see his arrest, trial, conviction, and sentence as well though. :( Two, I think that a LOT of people owe the Ramseys a HUGE apology, mainly the media who basically crucified them. Think of the made-for-tv movies that were made about it, totallly making it look like it was the parents. It is so sad that these people were never really allowed to grieve for their daughter b/c they were too busy defending themselves. :(
I hope that this is all finalized very soon.
I could not agree more. I never believed for a minute that her parents had anything to do with it, yet the media was hell-bent on making them appear so. Not only did the Ramsey's have to deal with the horror of her murder, the media all but ruined their lives emotionally,and economically. IMHO, the stress of all that may actually have had something to do with Patsy developing the cancer that killed her.
The media owes that family a HUGE apology, and that is very little restitution for the horrible travesty they exacted on the Ramseys, during what had to be the most painful experience of their lives.
IrisHope
08-17-2006, 07:33 AM
http://9news.com/media/2006August11083346/1a17fbf2-0abe-421a-01e9-6066181b8ff1.jpg
If the family wanted to sue the people who made all of those made for TV movies and wrote all those books that made it look like her parents killed her, would they be able to?
ETA: It just makes me sick to think that people made money by making this family look guilty. That seems so wrong. :(
akacharlotte
08-17-2006, 07:43 AM
oh, i still saw some of her pageant pictures, but i don't recall ever seeing a normal picture of her until now.
Ah, yes. They did show a few informal family photos last night.
IrisHope
08-17-2006, 07:55 AM
MLA I'm not sure since there was reason to believe it was true. I think that's different than defamation of character because the latter the people know it's not true. I'm so not a lawyer and could be very wrong thoug. Lawyers?
diam124
08-17-2006, 07:58 AM
I don't know...I hope this is the right guy but there are an awful lot of unexplained details.
- The suspect said he picked her up at school? But they were home that night since it was Christmas. How did he have a relationship with a 6 year old? My nephew is 6 and there isn't a time in the day where my sister or another adult is with him.
-There weren't any footprints in the snow by the basement window, so how did he get in the front door? (I read the Ramseys gave out over a dozen keys to the house!)
-The suspect's ex-wife says he was with her in California that night.
-Why did he ask for $118,000 in ransom since that was the amount of John Ramsey's bonus?
-The Ramseys moved from GA to CO when JonBenet was a baby, so why is that considered a connection to the family?
-The suspect was obsessed with the case. Isn't it possible that he learned some of the details not made public through his research?
If this guy did it, I'm thinking he had some connection to the family through some friend or relative of theirs. Otherwise I just don't see how he would have known anything about JonBenet and gained access to the house.
IrisHope
08-17-2006, 08:00 AM
diam, I read that he mentioned details taht were not given out to the public. Who knows.
philnikki
08-17-2006, 08:01 AM
I have been listening to talk radio about this this morning and someone mentioned how this guy never actually "confessed". He said that he was with her when she died. He said her death was an accident. He said that he is not innocent. But he never actually said, "I killed her". I keep wondering if his statements are admissable, seeing as how they were made in Thailand. I wonder if he will claim that he was coerced once he is back in the US?
Some others have also mentioned that he was being held on charges in Thailand and that he might be eager to confess to get a ticket back to US. I would imagine being in a Thai prison is somewhat worse than being in one in the US.
Personally, I think that this guy is guilty. I never thought that the parents were involved. One of my mom's friends knew Patsy Ramsey from high school. She was a little stuck up, but was never a person she could have EVER thought would have been involved with the murder of her own child.
I hope that she and her mother are looking down on this and have found some peace that the truth has been found.
diam124
08-17-2006, 08:08 AM
diam, I read that he mentioned details taht were not given out to the public. Who nows.
See when I read that he knew things that weren't publicly known, I could see it as he knows things that weren't reported in the media, but may have been available in documents related to the investigation. KWIM? If someone is truly obsessed with the case I bet there is a lot that they could find out if they really tried.
fuzzy
08-17-2006, 08:09 AM
-The suspect was obsessed with the case. Isn't it possible that he learned some of the details not made public through his research?
The AP is reporting that he was also obsessed with the Polly Klaas case, too.
I hope this is the guy...but, still, something's fishy here.
It was also mentioned that he picked her up at school. I'm confused over that statement. It was the day after Christmas. Why was she at school?
I'm wondering the same thing. Did anyone clarified this?
i agree that something is fishy here. i kept watching his "press conference" and the thing that struck me the most was his "confession." he claimed he was there, he claimed the murder was an accident but not once did he say "i killed her." i still think there is some connection to someone the family knows. it is very rare that a little girl is killed or even kidnapped by a stranger. it obviously happens but 9 times out of 10 it is someone the family knows.
Missy2U
08-17-2006, 10:27 AM
I'm wondering the same thing. Did anyone clarified this?
He probably is talking about before she was killed - that in the past he had picked her up at school.
He probably is talking about before she was killed - that in the past he had picked her up at school.
That still doesn't make a lot of sense since her father's said that he didn't know this man. Why would a man the family didn't know be picking her up from school?
I'll be interested to see how this case plays out. I really, really hope they have the right person.
IrisHope
08-17-2006, 10:37 AM
It seems the father is saying no comment to knowing him now.
Missy2U
08-17-2006, 11:01 AM
That still doesn't make a lot of sense since her father's said that he didn't know this man. Why would a man the family didn't know be picking her up from school?
I'll be interested to see how this case plays out. I really, really hope they have the right person.
I'm hoping they have the right person too - this has just been so horrible for that whole family. :(
Oh - I thought about that and then called my mom (edited to add that I called her to ask her if my "hunch" might be correct). There were plenty of people that my mom knew that my dad didn't as she was a stay at home mom - just because dad didn't know him, doesn't mean mom doesn't, especially in the context of something to do with the kids or school, know what I mean?
jimmysgirl424
08-17-2006, 11:30 AM
See when I read that he knew things that weren't publicly known, I could see it as he knows things that weren't reported in the media, but may have been available in documents related to the investigation. KWIM? If someone is truly obsessed with the case I bet there is a lot that they could find out if they really tried.
Yes, but they also have DNA that supposably connects him to the case. They found his DNA in JonBenet's underwear. I think this guy is the one. But we will all have to wait for this to play out (a) In the media and (b) In the courtroom before we'll really know for sure
I can say that personally, when I saw his picture for the first time today; I broke out in goosebumps instantly and got a very clear feeling of....badness or evil or something when I looked at his eyes. This is the picture that I saw:
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/060817/060817_karr_hmed_1250a.rp600x350.jpg
chefker
08-17-2006, 11:32 AM
I just read a story off the AP wire, where this guy now admits to having drugged JonBenet and having sex with her.
I am feeling more and more ill, the more I read about this guy's confessions.
:(
Kimberland30
08-17-2006, 11:37 AM
[quote] BANGKOK, Thailand - The suspect in the slaying of JonBenet Ramsey said he loved the 6-year-old beauty queen "very much" and is "very sorry for what happened."
In an exclusive interview with The Associated Press, John Mark Karr said that he contacted JonBenet's mother, Patsy, before she died of cancer in June to express his remorse for the killing.
"I conveyed to her many things, among them that I am so very sorry for what happened to JonBenet," Karr said as U.S. and Thai authorities escorted him from his Bangkok hotel, where he spent over an hour packing his belongings.
Karr said it was his understanding that Patsy Ramsey read letters that he sent to her. He said JonBenet's death was "an accident."
"It's very important for me that everyone knows that I love her very much and that her death was unintentional," said Karr, who sweated and stuttered occasionally as he spoke in a quiet voice.
Karr, 41, was arrested Wednesday, halfway around the world from Boulder, Colo., where JonBenet's body was found beaten and strangled in her parent's basement on Dec. 26, 1996.
He declined to disclose the nature of his supposed relationship to the Ramsey family, or how he may have known JonBenet.
Asked for details of how she died, Karr replied: "It would take several hours to describe — to describe that."
"There's no way I could be brief about it. It's a very involved series of events," said Karr, who speaks with a thick Southern accent. "It's very painful for me to talk about."
Earlier in the day, Karr spoke briefly to reporters after a news conference by American and Thai authorities.
"I was with JonBenet when she died," he told reporters. Asked if he was innocent, he said: "No."
Karr will be taken within the week to Colorado, where he will face charges of first-degree murder, kidnapping and child sexual assault, said Ann Hurst of the Department of Homeland Security, one of several officials who accompanied the suspect back to his hotel.
In the run-up to Karr's arrest, U.S. authorities had rented rooms at The Blooms, the budget hotel where Karr was staying in a central Bangkok neighborhood of massage parlors and travel agencies catering to expatriates and sex tourists.
The hotel offers rooms for as little as three hours — for $8 — and monthly stays starting at $170.
Karr was staying on the top floor of the nine-story hotel in a small single room.
U.S. and Thai authorities wearing plastic gloves sorted through his possessions, which were wheeled away on a luggage rack, and included a laptop computer and two suitcases.
Dressed in a baggy turquoise polo shirt and khaki pants, Karr said that JonBenet's death was "not what it seems to be," though he declined to elaborate.
"In every way," he added, as authorities bundled him into a waiting vehicle. "It's not at all what it seems to be."
I just read a story off the AP wire, where this guy now admits to having drugged JonBenet and having sex with her.
I am feeling more and more ill, the more I read about this guy's confessions.
:(
It's upsetting, but it's also sort of comforting to think that she was drugged when he raped her. Hopefully she wasn't really aware of what was happening to her.
Missy2U
08-17-2006, 11:55 AM
Do y'all remember the psychic's sketch?
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a203/Missy2U_/12a.jpg
maggieb
08-17-2006, 11:56 AM
MLA I was thinking the same thing. I hope she was drugged.
I really hope and pray that this is the end for the Ramsey family. I can't even begin to imagine the heartache they have had to face.
Do y'all remember the psychic's sketch?
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a203/Missy2U_/12a.jpg
OMG. NowTHAT is creepy. It looks so much like him!
chefker
08-17-2006, 11:57 AM
It's upsetting, but it's also sort of comforting to think that she was drugged when he raped her. Hopefully she wasn't really aware of what was happening to her.
I think I read though, that the autopsy report didn't show any trace of drugs or alcohol in her body. I hope she blacked out or something.
This asshole keeps saying it was an 'accident' with a noose. I bet he was trying to engage in auto-erotic asphyxiation or some crap. :mad: It's just a damn shame he didn't hang HIMSELF.
diam124
08-17-2006, 12:00 PM
Yes, but they also have DNA that supposably connects him to the case. They found his DNA in JonBenet's underwear. I think this guy is the one. But we will all have to wait for this to play out (a) In the media and (b) In the courtroom before we'll really know for sure
Oh, I really, really hope he is the guy. Did you hear that his DNA matched the sample? I just wonder if they have compared his to what they have yet. From the press conference today it sounds like they arrested him when they did because they didn't want him working with kids and he also might have been a flight risk.
And I agree that he is very creepy looking. Regardless of whether or not he killed JonBenet, there is something very sinister about him.
I think I read though, that the autopsy report didn't show any trace of drugs or alcohol in her body.
Hmm . . . I didn't really follow the case back when it happened, so I don't know all the details. The more I find out, though, the more it sounds like this guy might be exaggerating some things -- like maybe he's getting some sort of sick thrill out of it. I don't know.
:confused: :confused: :confused:
chefker
08-17-2006, 12:06 PM
Hmm . . . I didn't really follow the case back when it happened, so I don't know all the details. The more I find out, though, the more it sounds like this guy might be exaggerating some things -- like maybe he's getting some sort of sick thrill out of it. I don't know.
:confused: :confused: :confused:
I'm fuzzy on some of the facts too. I believe that some drugs (inhalants) do not show up in the bloodstream, but I could be wrong on that.
It sounds though, like they have a BIG case against this guy, and it's been building up for months. They must have had some major evidence against him, if Patsy Ramsey was informed that an arrest was imminent, prior to her death.
savannahgrl
08-17-2006, 12:18 PM
It sounds though, like they have a BIG case against this guy, and it's been building up for months. They must have had some major evidence against him, if Patsy Ramsey was informed that an arrest was imminent, prior to her death.
I agree.
Did anyone catch Nightline last night? Barbara Walters interviewed Mr. Ramsey. They said that the authorities have been investigating and watching this guy for the past 6 months. Patsey Ramsey knew that an arrest was coming. I'm so glad that she had some sort of closure before she died.
On Nightline, they also stated that the details that the police have got from this guy were so disturbing that they did not feel comfortable telling them to Mr. Ramsey. So sad.
Sophia
08-17-2006, 12:41 PM
I'm watching CNN, and just a few minutes ago they said the autopsy results had shown no trace of drugs in her system, and that whether or not she'd been drugged could become a point of contention now in determining whether he's really the killer. Several of the legal experts have been saying things seem fishy or don't add up.
I really hope he's not making stuff up and that there can finally be some closure for the family.
Kimberland30
08-17-2006, 12:50 PM
I think I read though, that the autopsy report didn't show any trace of drugs or alcohol in her body.
I remember hearing that too.
Here's a litte snippet on how he became a suspect.
The investigation that led law enforcement to John Mark Karr can be traced to a single e-mail, sent some four years ago.
Karr sent the correspondence to University of Colorado journalism professor Michael Tracey after viewing the first of three Tracey-produced documentaries on the JonBenet Ramsey case.
Apparently, Karr was intrigued by what he saw and wanted to talk things over with Tracey, a man whose rigorous documentaries have challenged conventional police theories about the case and criticized what he saw as a rush to convict John and Patsy Ramsey in the court of public opinion.
Since then, Karr and Tracey swapped hundreds of e-mails in an exchange that led the Boulder County District Attorney's Office on Wednesday to name Karr as the prime suspect in the murder of 6-year-old JonBenet almost 10 years ago.
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Gray said he and his associates initially struggled to get officials at the Boulder DA's office interested in pursuing the suspect.
It wasn't until he and his associates considered going to Paris - where Karr apparently was sending e-mails at some point - and confronting the suspect themselves that prosecutors "got interested," Gray said.
Then they got damn serious in a big hurry," Gray added. "I would characterize it this way: I think the DA's office did a great job when they finally got started working on the case, which is what we said needed to be done all along."
Lacy has said she will discuss the details of the case during a news conference today.
Tracey hinted in his third documentary that a major break was coming in the case.
A 2004 CU press release promoting Tracey's third documentary said, "A new team of investigators has uncovered dramatic new evidence about the murder, resulting in the identification of a key suspect."
But it's not clear if that was the suspect now under arrest.
"This compelling evidence points to a new way of thinking about who it was that actually killed JonBenet," Tracey said in the December 2004 press release. "Previously, media leaks about the evidence and absurd theories as to how JonBenet died helped to convince the public that the parents did it.
"A whole new theory of who should have been investigated - but was not - is at the forefront of the investigation reported in the documentary."
i was listening to news radio in my car this afternoon and they said that Patsy Ramsey had received correspondance in the form of a letter from this guy and that she turned those letters over to investigators.
if this guy is in fact the killer, someone should do a documentary about how the media crucified this poor family.
diam124
08-17-2006, 01:18 PM
OK, the more I read about this case the more confused I get! If the suspect was planning on kidnapping JonBenet, why would he drug and rape her? And then why would he strangle her "accidentally" if she was drugged?
The biggest reason I doubt the guy is that his ex-wife says he was with her. BUT, now an Atlanta media outlet (I forget which) says that the suspect's brother spent Christmas of 1996 "in Boulder with the Ramseys". Huh?
eta - This is the quote from CBSNews:
"Nate Karr, the suspect's brother, told an Atlanta television station that John Karr was with the Ramsey family in Colorado over the Christmas holidays when JonBenet died. However, the suspect's ex-wife, Lara Karr, who divorced him in 2001, told KGO-TV that during Christmas season of 1996, when JonBenet Ramsey was strangled and beaten to death in Colorado, she and her then-husband were living in Alabama, and she was with him the entire Christmas season."
Apparently, his ex-wife says he was with her the entire 1996 Christmas break. From Boston.com:
There is much more work to be done now that the suspect is in custody," she said. "John Karr is presumed innocent."
Questions arose about Karr's story when his ex-wife, Laura, was reported by KGO-TV in San Francisco to have said that Karr was with her in Alabama the entire Christmas season when JonBenet was killed.Lacy's chief investigator, Tom Bennett, said talks were under way with authorities in Thailand to have Karr returned to the United States. Law-enforcement officials in Washington said Karr, who had worked as a substitute teacher in Northern California in 2001, would not require extradition from Bangkok and could simply be deported.
jimmysgirl424
08-17-2006, 01:47 PM
"Nate Karr, the suspect's brother, told an Atlanta television station that John Karr was with the Ramsey family in Colorado over the Christmas holidays when JonBenet died. However, the suspect's ex-wife, Lara Karr, who divorced him in 2001, told KGO-TV that during Christmas season of 1996, when JonBenet Ramsey was strangled and beaten to death in Colorado, she and her then-husband were living in Alabama, and she was with him the entire Christmas season."
:confused: :confused:
I guess its going to take awhile for the facts to become clear. The problem is that there are now probably thousands of different news networks picking the headline up and running with it. This is how stories like this end up getting skewed all to h*ll.
Based on what has been made public so far, I'm having trouble believing that this guy did this crime.
He definitely seems disturbed, but some things just don't add up. I realize that we do not know all the information.
I hate seeing the pics/video of Jon Benet again. It makes me sad to see little girls made up to look like 25-year-olds.
hockeybrat
08-17-2006, 08:41 PM
What a sick f***!
knoelani
08-17-2006, 08:43 PM
I agree with you ejs...while I really hope that this is the guy and the family can finally get some closure, there's a lot of strange details too. Things just don't add up right now, and probably won't until more facts of the investigation are released or there's a trial. That psychic drawing is creepy and they just showed the same picture on dateline or 20/20 (not sure what hubby's watching right now). I just feel so sad for this poor girl and her family for the hell that they've been through the last 10 years.
BridalLace
08-17-2006, 08:50 PM
haven't had time to skim the entire thread yet, but i've heard some speculation that John Karr wants to be extradited to the United States on a false charge so he can escape the Bangkok prison system, which is probably horrible compared to the jails here. that way, maybe he can be proved delusional/innocent of the charges and walk free, and not have to face whatever fate was awaiting him in Thailand.
i am having trouble believing he did it as well, although obviously he's a sicko and i find the pictures of him to be absolutely creepy.
diam124
08-18-2006, 07:21 AM
I saw this about a message from the suspect to the professor and thought it was interesting. I'm assuming this is one of the things that police say was never made public:
In a related development Thursday, the Daily Camera reported that Tracey shared details of his research into the Ramsey case with students months before he alerted authorities.
The paper reported former students as saying that someone sent Tracey a childhood picture of himself holding a white Santa Claus teddy bear and purportedly taken on a Christmas morning. The stuffed animal was apparently just like the one that mysteriously showed up in JonBenet's bedroom and stumped the family and investigators
I also saw this from the investigator in Thailand:
On Friday, Suwat confirmed to the AP his account of the sexual assault. But asked Friday if Karr gave the girl drugs, Suwat said the suspect described the encounter with JonBenet Ramsey as "a blur."
"It may have been drugs, or it may have been something else because (Karr said) it was a blur, blur," Suwat said.
Suwat also said Friday that his statement about the girl being picked from school was based on a documentary he had seen and not the interrogation.
Sounds like some of the strange statements supposedly made during the interrogation may have come from the investigator himself and not Karr.
summer girl
08-18-2006, 10:22 AM
I don't know if I believe this guy did it, but he definitely is a creep! I just read about how he was fired from several school systems for inappropriate behavior with students (elementary). Also, he married a 13 year old when he was 19 before he married his ex-wife at 16. Creepy!
summer girl
08-18-2006, 10:24 AM
And not to mention he was in the pedophile capital of the world!
rene'
08-22-2006, 07:35 AM
Did you guys hear those creepy phone calls that were taped between John Karr and that lady? Creepy, creepy, creep!
rene'
08-22-2006, 01:06 PM
I guess he was talking via phone to a woman that was intrigued by the Richard Allen Davis/Polly Klaas case. The police got her to start recording their phone conversations. They released one to CBS and they were playing it this morning. He was talking about JonBenet and her murder and it was just really creepy.
Kimberland30
08-23-2006, 01:14 PM
I saw that on TV too and was pretty freaked out. It was just chilling.
Anyone else see the special on it last night? About the evidence of an intruder that was overlooked by police (the basement door, the dust ruffle of the guest bedroom bed - where Karr says he hid - etc. It was pretty good evidence (from my unprofessional standpoint) and wonder why it wasn't checked in to more. And have they explained away the burn marks on JonBenet's body? They really did look like stun gun marks to me, not something you'd get from buttons.
Etoile
08-23-2006, 08:56 PM
We live about 20 minutes outside of Boulder, CO; I lived in Boulder when it happened and both my husband and I work in Boulder. I truly never thought they would arrest anyone for this, this is a big shock to everyone I've talked to that lives here. I am not sure whether I think he did it, although I read the book that came out about 6 years ago and before I read that book I was sure that the mother did it. The book really went into the evidence that an intruder did it and after reading it I was no longer convinced.
My husband always thought that the older brother did it, and that the parents covered it up.
My husband was quoted in a major New York newspaper--he works in sales at the Pearl Street mall which is a major tourist area so I'm sure there have been lots of reporters around trying to get the local residents' take on the situation. He said something to the effect that it was ridiculous that they spent the amount of money they did sending him back here on business class, especially when our local programs are always getting cut, particularly school funding.
melnv
08-23-2006, 09:03 PM
I was sure he didn't do it, but now this signature thing is making me re think my stance. Just a bit too much of a coincidence that he would sign his yearbook and love notes to girlfriends SBTC.
My husband was quoted in a major New York newspaper--he works in sales at the Pearl Street mall which is a major tourist area so I'm sure there have been lots of reporters around trying to get the local residents' take on the situation. He said something to the effect that it was ridiculous that they spent the amount of money they did sending him back here on business class, especially when our local programs are always getting cut, particularly school funding.
Did you hear what all the legal experts said about this tactic? They think it's brilliant. The goal was to get Karr to really relax and feel comfortable and possibly start talking about the crime.
they spent the amount of money they did sending him back here on business class, especially when our local programs are always getting cut, particularly school funding.
it would make no sense for them to sit him in coach. do you think any passenger is going to sit within close proximity to that man? even if he didn't kill her, he is still sick. so, they would have had to reserve a lot of coach seats if he were going to fly coach in order that no regular passenger would have to sit by him.
Just a bit too much of a coincidence that he would sign his yearbook and love notes to girlfriends SBTC.
__________________
i am confused. what does this mean?
I thought it was STBTC. And I thought that the ransom note had those initials, and that they only thought that it was suspicious due to a yearbook entry where he states at the end that he is "soon to be the conqueror", but did not use the initials (he spelled it out).
Camdynlyn
08-24-2006, 05:33 PM
Please remember that if you quote from the news/media, you MUST provide a source!
rene'
08-25-2006, 07:34 AM
The ransome note was actually signed SBTC and John Karr signed a yearbook and some other things with "Shall Be The Conqueror".
But never the initials, right? The only time the initials appear is on the ransom note. Otherwise, he has just used a sentence that happens to have the same acronym.
Here is an article from CNN that discusses it: CNN John Karr (http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/19/ramsey.arrest/index.html)
The yearbook entry ends with Karr writing in capital block letters, "Though, deep in the future, maybe I shall be the conquerer [sic] and live in multiple peace." (Watch details emerge of Karr's background -- 3:30)
A ransom note found in the Ramsey home ended with the word "Victory!" and was signed "S.B.T.C." Authorities want to know whether those letters might stand for "shall be the conquerer" and whether they could have been written by the same person
Etoile
08-25-2006, 11:58 AM
it would make no sense for them to sit him in coach. do you think any passenger is going to sit within close proximity to that man? even if he didn't kill her, he is still sick. so, they would have had to reserve a lot of coach seats if he were going to fly coach in order that no regular passenger would have to sit by him.
Well I didn't say it, my husband did, and I was just kind of excited that he was quoted in a New York Newspaper.
If camdynlyn's posting was directed at me, I did not directly quote the article because I did not want to post my husband's last name. That is why I did not include the source and I paraphrased his quote.
Well I didn't say it, my husband did, and I was just kind of excited that he was quoted in a New York Newspaper.
sorry etoile, i hope i didn't diminish your excitement about your dh's quote in the newspaper. i was more responding to the general hoopla around him traveling in business class.
rene'
08-25-2006, 01:53 PM
But never the initials, right? The only time the initials appear is on the ransom note. Otherwise, he has just used a sentence that happens to have the same acronym.
You're right. The only place the initials appear is on the ransom note.
aussie
08-25-2006, 02:34 PM
I thought it was STBTC. And I thought that the ransom note had those initials, and that they only thought that it was suspicious due to a yearbook entry where he states at the end that he is "soon to be the conqueror", but did not use the initials (he spelled it out).
I saw the interview with the girl he "married" when she was 13 and her parents. Her parents said the same STBTC was also in the letters that he wrote her.
Did they produce the letters?
IrisHope
08-28-2006, 02:22 PM
-- DNA found on JonBenet Ramsey's body does not match sample DNA from suspect John Mark Karr, Denver, Colorado's KUSA television station reports.
paulinaaa
08-28-2006, 02:31 PM
I don't believe what they were trying to match was a definitive sample that would prove guilt. Not finding a DNA match just means you didn't find a DNA match. It's not the same level of proof as finding a DNA match on a sample of something that would have indicated guilt, such as semen or blood.
Not finding a DNA match just means you didn't find a DNA match.
Huh? What do you mean?
IrisHope
08-28-2006, 02:42 PM
I don't think they said they didn't find a match, they said his does not match the DNA on JonBonet's body. Is that what you mean?
PrincessButrcup
08-28-2006, 03:01 PM
Charges have been dropped
Link to MSN article
(http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14553130/?GT1=8404)
Attorney: Charges against Karr dropped
JonBenet murder suspect's DNA no match in case
BOULDER, Colo. - KUSA, a television station in Denver, reported Monday that two sources said the DNA sample taken from Karr was not a match with the DNA found on JonBenet Ramsey's body when she was slain in 1996.
Samples of Karr's saliva and hair were taken in Boulder after his arrival on Thursday, KUSA, an NBC affiliate, reported. Those samples were tested over the weekend at the Denver Police Department's crime lab, the station reported.
Public Defender Seth Temin, Karr's lawyer, told a news conference that the charges against Karr had been dropped.
In addition to first-degree murder, the charges against Karr included felony murder, first-degree kidnapping, second-degree kidnapping and sexual assault on a child.
Temin said he was “deeply distressed” at Karr's extradition from Bangkok, Thailand, to face charges in the Ramsey case.
He also said a hearing for Karr on Monday afternoon had been canceled.
NBC News affiliate KUSA in Denver and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
Source: MSN
jnettie
08-28-2006, 04:00 PM
Well, DNA evidence is not enough to stand alone, is that what you mean? For example, you need other physical evidence in addition to DNA. However, lack of DNA does not prove inoccense, either. Meaning, his DNA not matching the DNA in Jon Bennet's underwear only means he did rape her. It doesn't mean he didn't kill her. KWIM?
In any even, it's too bad the family can't have closure just yet. But I did hear they might be sending him to California where there are some child porn charges against him.
not surprised. this guy is a nut job. this was a terrible thing to put her family through.
bensgirl1222
08-28-2006, 06:27 PM
OMG! I really thought this guy was her killer. How sad for her family :(
cocopops
08-28-2006, 09:12 PM
Okay so he didn't do it. That is established :rolleyes: So now do they let this OBVIOUSLY very very very sick and disturbed individual back into society? Are they going to wait till he actually duplicates this crime before the prosecute him? :confused: UGH!
Okay so he didn't do it. That is established :rolleyes: So now do they let this OBVIOUSLY very very very sick and disturbed individual back into society? Are they going to wait till he actually duplicates this crime before the prosecute him? :confused: UGH!
No. He is probably going to be sent to California to face the child porn charges he ran from years ago.
No. He is probably going to be sent to California to face the child porn charges he ran from years ago.
i thought i heard that those were misdemeanor charges. he probably won't even get much prison/jail time for that. he'll probably run off to another country again.
IrisHope
08-29-2006, 06:46 AM
Isn't it a crime to make false allegations? He really should be sent to a mental institution.
Isn't it a crime to make false allegations?
didn't he make those allegation in thailand? i think it would be hard to prosecute him for a crime he committed in another country. also, i believe it is very hard to forcefully commit an adult to a mental institution.
The porn possession charges are misdemeanor charges, which means that the maximum jail time he could ever be sentenced is one year.
He is disturbed, true. But he did not commit this crime. I doubt that he will try to copy cat the crime. That just hasn't been the case with people who give false confessions. He clearly is a pedophile, but until he actually acts on those predilictions, then there is nothing that can be done about it. You cannto punish someone for contemplating something illegal, or even for fantasizing about it.
He didn't give a false report. He gave a false confession, which happens every day :)
rene'
08-29-2006, 07:38 AM
Although I had doubts that he really did it, I am very sad that he didn't. It would be great to finally close the door on this, but now it's still wide open.
He is a creep and I'm hoping that after all of this, he will have a hard time going anywhere that he's not noticed.
sem426
08-29-2006, 08:42 AM
I thought I heard that he had committed crimes in Thailand and that he "wanted" to be brought back to the US to face charges here since a US prison would be much KINDER to him that a Thai one.
I say ship his arse back to Thailand and let them have their way with him.
BrownEyedGirl
08-29-2006, 11:55 AM
I say ship his arse back to Thailand and let them have their way with him.
ITA!!!! They can take care of him over there.
bethnjim
08-29-2006, 11:56 AM
Did anyone see this article from PEOPLE magazine?? He is distrubed and SHOULD NOT be allowed out and around children...
People magazine:
http://people.aol.com/people/article/0,26334,1449009,00.html
excerpts from John Mark Karr's e-mails and phone calls to University of Colorado, Boulder journalism professor Michael Tracey were posted Monday on the Boulder County District Attorney's Web site after the case against Karr in the 1996 slaying of JonBenet Ramsey was dropped.
The e-mails to Tracey, who has produced several documentaries about the Ramsey case supporting the theory that the 6-year-old was killed by an intruder, come from Karr's arrest affidavit. Karr was released Monday and promptly rearrested for 2001 child pornography charges.
At various points in the e-mails, Karr uses the alias "Daxis." Some excerpts:
April 2, 2006
Karr talks about his fascination with young girls: "The end of 9 years old is usually the stopping point for me due to the physical height and development of the child. In some parts of the world however I have been highly attracted to girls who were 12 though they were the size of the girls who were 8 in the U.S. I cannot say I was actually attracted to the 12-year-olds but it was a little more tempting. I am attracted to dolls. When they get past the doll stage I am no longer physically attracted."
April 19, 2006
He claims he accidentally strangled JonBenet during sex and then hit her on the head with a flashlight in case she was still suffering: "This was when the tragedy began. Seconds easily turned into minutes in the heat of passion. The deliverer, deriving unreal pleasure both emotionally and sexually, can lose track of that critical time especially with a little girl who is small and more fragile, it is easier to lose her. JonBenet was lost, or so it was believed. ... But the trauma to her head haunts me – so horrible."
May 9, 2006
"(JonBenet's parents) need to know that she had a lover named Daxis, that a dashing prince was with her when she died; that she was not viciously murdered; that I cared for her and tried to revive her when I though she was dead. I loved her so much and I am so sorry that she died in my arms. But it is important that they know WHO she was with and how she died. For instance, she did not suffer."
Sound clips of phone calls between Karr and Tracey were also released. In a July 29, 2006, phone call Tracey placed to Karr, who claimed to be speaking from his Jaguar in the driveway of the Ramsey home in Atlanta, Karr said he wanted Johnny Depp to play him in a movie and that it would make a billion dollars.
He also said of JonBenet, "I loved her so much and I am so sorry that she died in my arms." He claimed that when she died he said, " 'Oh, babydoll, please come back to me.' " Karr also told Tracey, "If it is ever revealed that JonBenet died by my hand, I would be one of the most wanted killers in history."
IrisHope
08-29-2006, 12:06 PM
Wow, he is one scary motherf*cker.
I thought I heard that he had committed crimes in Thailand and that he "wanted" to be brought back to the US to face charges here since a US prison would be much KINDER to him that a Thai one.
I say ship his arse back to Thailand and let them have their way with him.
It is my understanding that this is not the case at all. That was just idle speculation. He was taken into custody in Thailand by the request of Colorado police.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/17/ramsey.arrest/index.html
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents and Thai authorities worked closely on the case for two months prior to his arrest on Wednesday, Hurst said.
At the time of his arrest, Karr was under investigation for an unrelated sex crime, two law enforcement sources told CNN. Officials in Bangkok said he had traveled to Thailand -- a country notorious for its child sex trade -- five times in the past two years.
It is amazing to me how many falsities are making the rounds and being propagated further in this case. My DH came home just yesterday, and was saying that Karr was just trying to get out of a Thailand prison. This is not true, and I really wish the media would be more careful in what they are reporting.
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