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chefker
07-13-2005, 07:10 AM
Has anyone read this article from the Boston Globe today? I don't know WHAT to say about this. :rolleyes: But what I'm thinking, it ain't pretty.





Santorum resolute on Boston rebuke
Insists liberalism set stage for abuse
By Susan Milligan, Globe Staff | July 13, 2005

WASHINGTON -- Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, the third-ranking Republican in the Senate, refused yesterday to back off on his earlier statements connecting Boston's ''liberalism" with the Roman Catholic Church pedophile scandal, saying that the city's ''sexual license" and ''sexual freedom" nurtured an environment where sexual abuse would occur.

''The basic liberal attitude in that area . . . has an impact on people's behavior," Santorum said in an interview yesterday at the Capitol.

''If you have a world view that I'm describing [about Boston] . . . that affirms alternative views of sexuality, that can lead to a lot of people taking it the wrong way," Santorum said.

Santorum, a leader among Christian conservatives, was responding to questions about remarks he made three years ago on a website called Catholic Online. In those comments, Santorum said, ''It is no surprise that Boston, a seat of academic, political, and cultural liberalism in America, lies at the center of the storm" of the clergy sexual abuse scandal.

The junior senator is chairman of the Senate Republican Conference and is considered a possible candidate for his party's presidential nomination in 2008, if he wins reelection to a third Senate term next year.

''I was just saying that there's an attitude that is very open to sexual freedom that is more predominant" in Boston, Santorum said yesterday. Reminded that the sexual abuse occurred across the country, Santorum said that ''at the time [in 2002], there was an indication that there was more of a problem there" in Boston.

The senator's words sparked instant reaction from Massachusetts political leaders, who ridiculed Santorum's suggestion that priests were driven to abuse children by the city's liberal culture.

US Representative Barney Frank, a Newton Democrat, called Santorum ''a jerk" and pointed out that the senator tried to use the levers of the federal government to block the removal of Terri Schiavo's feeding tube, an act that Santorum likened to ''execution." An autopsy found that Schiavo's brain was half the normal size and that she could not see anything.

''This is one of those people who claims to have had eye contact with a blind woman," Frank said.

Representative Martin T. Meehan, Democrat of Lowell, said, ''There's not much you can say about someone who claims to have read the Bible cover to cover and came away from it thinking it encourages hatred for fellow human beings."

David Wade, spokesman for Senator John F. Kerry, said, ''Sometimes you wonder whether Rick Santorum can possibly believe the radically wrong words that escape his mouth."

Santorum has startled Washington in the past. In a 2003 interview with the Associated Press, he linked ''man on child" and ''man on dog" sex with homosexuality, describing them as deviant behaviors that threatened traditional marriage. Earlier this year, he apologized for comparing the Democrats blocking President Bush's judicial nominees to the Nazi leader, Adolf Hitler.

The senator faces an unexpectedly tough race for reelection next year. Pennsylvania state treasurer Robert P. Casey Jr., the expected Democratic candidate, has been ahead or even with Santorum in recent polls, although Casey hasn't begun actively campaigning.

Casey, like Santorum, is antiabortion, and Democrats contend that the Pennsylvania contest offers one of their best chances to pick up a Senate seat next year.

Santorum, now 47, came to Washington as a House member in 1991 and joined a group of young, assertive conservatives bent on shaking up the institution. Elected to the Senate in 1994, he quickly moved up the Republican ranks. With his vocal stances against abortion, stem cell research, and the right-to-die movement, he has become a favorite of evangelicals, said Jon Delano, who is a political analyst at Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh.

''He speaks exactly as he feels," Delano said. ''You either accept it or reject it. There's nothing disingenuous about Rick Santorum."

The Pennsylvania senator recently penned a book, ''It Takes a Family," that blasts two-income families, divorce, cohabitation before marriage, and other social trends he considers liberal ills.

The book, set to be released later this month, blames ''radical feminism" for encouraging women to work outside the home. ''In far too many families with young children, both parents are working, when, if they really took an honest look at the budget, they might confess that both of them don't really need to or at least may not need to work as much as they do," Santorum wrote.

Jay Reiff, Casey's campaign manager, predicted that Santorum's outspokenness might get him into trouble with Pennsylvania voters.

''It's sort of being out of touch," Reiff said. ''For hundreds of thousands of families, the option of having a stay-at-home mother is not there from an economic standpoint. ''It's not because they are bad budgeters or are selfish."

But Santorum's comments about Boston, like some of his other stances, may play well with cultural conservatives in Pennsylvania, who appreciate Santorum's opposition to gay marriage and abortion, political observers said.

''I think he probably has written off Massachusetts," said Senator John McCain, an Arizona Republican who is also a potential 2008 contender.

wander_woman
07-13-2005, 07:20 AM
Ughh, Santorum at it again. His comments are ridiculous and stupid, of course. I've pretty much stopped paying attention to anything that man says. He is one of my least favorite people ever. I really hope he loses his race next year.

lawyerlee
07-13-2005, 09:01 AM
Just keep babbling, Santorum. :rolleyes:

What an ass.

KKay
07-13-2005, 09:09 AM
What a jerk!!

It amazes me that people voted him.

chefker
07-13-2005, 09:21 AM
Hopefully if he keeps babbling his nonsense, it'll serve as the final nail in the coffin of his campaign for re-election. I can only hope....someone that bigoted and ignorant is a VERY dangerous person to have on Capitol hill.

LittleFredPunkinHead
07-13-2005, 09:39 AM
"Um, Senator Santorum, I think you've got some Santorum on your tie there..."

Hee hee hee! :D

laurenc
07-13-2005, 10:51 AM
Wow. Seems like *someone* is bitter he didn't get into Harvard/MIT/Boston University...

Irish Elf
07-13-2005, 12:12 PM
Yeah, I am one of those people who believes that consensual sex between two individulas is the same as sex b/w one consenting and one victim. :rolleyes:

amew
07-13-2005, 12:48 PM
Leave it to Santorum to find a way to blame the liberals for the misconduct of Catholic priests. This coming from a man who claims to believe that people should take responsibility for their own actions...

dionysia
07-13-2005, 01:26 PM
LOL Lauren!

Di
(just another MA Liberal Pervert... or is that a Perverted Liberal?)

wendalah
07-13-2005, 02:48 PM
Curious: Any comment from the Archdiocese of Boston on this?

lawyerlee
07-13-2005, 02:51 PM
Curious: Any comment from the Archdiocese of Boston on this?
Curious? Or sarcastic? ;) :D

I'd LOVE to hear their behind-closed-doors thoughts about this. :p

wendalah
07-13-2005, 02:57 PM
No, I'm serious...
I'm sure that they were like, "oh ****, great. Here we go again." But I was genuinely curious as to whether they responded to this or took their usual tight-lipped stance.

wendalah
07-13-2005, 02:58 PM
Hey! CC blotted out "f-ck." I thought we could use it.

bookworm
07-13-2005, 03:12 PM
I haven't seen a comment from the archdiocese. Santorum's comment was apparently made a few months ago--one of the Globe columnists wrote a piece on it yesterday, and today it made the front page as "news."

I believe the archdiocese may be trying to keep a lower profile right now. Their last stunt was closing a Catholic elementary school 2 days before the end of the year, in case it was occupied by parent protestors.

But I may well be proven wrong in tomorrow's paper :).

lawyerlee
07-13-2005, 04:14 PM
Hey! CC blotted out "f-ck." I thought we could use it.
No. Only that and the two big "c" words are blocked on this site. Much to my personal dismay. I LOVE the "f" word. :D

LittleFredPunkinHead
07-14-2005, 08:53 AM
I have a question of my own (which is rather off-topic). I can think of one c-word (the one that rhymes with "hunt"), but for the life of me, I can't think of the other!

lawyerlee
07-14-2005, 08:58 AM
I have a question of my own (which is rather off-topic). I can think of one c-word (the one that rhymes with "hunt"), but for the life of me, I can't think of the other!
Rhymes with "block". :)

LittleFredPunkinHead
07-14-2005, 09:27 AM
Rhymes with "block".
Really!! Huh... I never thought that one was so bad... Can I write "Hitchcock?"

ETA: Okay! Good to know. ;)

msnicolea
07-15-2005, 07:59 AM
He is such an ass.

flygirl
07-15-2005, 08:39 AM
He's just following in Frists' footsteps. His words are already coming back to haunt him, and of course, he's going to stay the course.

chefker
07-16-2005, 02:34 PM
Welp, now Ted Kennedy's all pissed off at Santorum:

From Daily Kos (http://gothamite.dailykos.com/story/2005/7/13/123329/182) :


Kennedy Calls on Santorum to Apologize
by Crystal Patterson
Wed Jul 13th, 2005 at 09:33:29 PDT
Senator Kennedy went to the floor this morning and responded to Senator Rick Santorum's verbal attack on the people of Boston. Santorum earlier stated that he was not surprised that the child abuse associated with the Catholic Church was focused in Boston, with its rampant liberalism. He repeated this statement in an interview at the Capitol on Tuesday.

Apologies in advance for posting a statement from the Senate floor, but I know that everyone on Kos has been following Santorum's thoughtless comments, and thought this was such a good response to his uncalled for comments that it was worth sharing.

"Rick Santorum owes an immediate apology to the tragic, long-suffering victims of sexual abuse and their families in Boston, in Massachusetts, in Pennsylvania and around this country. His outrageous and offensive comments - which he had the indecency to repeat yesterday - blamed the people of Boston for the depraved behavior of sick individuals who stole the innocence of children in the most horrible way imaginable."

Senator Santorum has shown a deep and callous insensitivity to the victims and their suffering in an apparent attempt to score political points with some of the most extreme members of the fringe right wing of his Party. Boston bashing might be in vogue with some Republicans, but Rick Santorum's statements are beyond the pale.

Three years ago, Senator Santorum said "While it is no excuse for this scandal, it is no surprise that Boston, a seat of academic, political and cultural liberalism in America, lies at the center of the storm." When given an opportunity to apologize yesterday, he refused and instead restated these outrageous statements. The people of Boston are to blame for the clergy sexual abuse? That statement is irresponsible, insensitive and inexcusable. Rick Santorum should join all Americans in celebrating the accomplishments of the people of Boston.

Apparently Senator Santorum has never heard of the enormous contributions of our universities and industries to our quality of life, our economic strength, and our national security.

Harvard and MIT have produced 98 Nobel laureates whose work has made an enormous difference to America's strength.

Their graduates contribute to industries, to government, to our communities throughout the nation and the world. In fact, only a quarter of MIT's graduates remain in New England.

Their research keeps our nation secure. The Pentagon, the CIA, the military, the Energy Department, the Veterans Administration, all turn to MIT and Harvard for the technologies and strategies to protect our nation from those who would hurt us.

And their research into cancer, children's health, housing, community development, and so many issues continues to make an enormous difference to the well-being and health of our children and families.

More than a dozen current U.S. Senators were educated in Boston. Senator Frist was trained as a heart surgeon at Harvard Medical School. Senator Dole went to Harvard Law. Senator Alexander went to Harvard's School of Government. Surely, my honorable colleagues wouldn't go to a school that is somehow contributing to the downfall of America? No. They went to a worldwide leading institution to prepare them for incredible careers of service and leadership.

Senator Santorum's self righteousness also fails to take into account the enormous amount of good will the people of Boston demonstrate for the less fortunate.

They started the Massachusetts Childhood Hunger Initiative, working with leaders in 20 low-income communities to end hunger among our children.

Boston's Children's Hospital has been ranked first in the nation every year for the past decade in its care and concern for sick children.

The quality of life for Boston and its families is rated third in America. Massachusetts has the lowest divorce rate in the nation.

Massachusetts ranks in the top ten states in the nation when it comes to addressing the needs of at risk and vulnerable children, including our efforts to address low birth weight babies, teen homicides, high school dropout rates, and other challenges to our children. Pennsylvania does not rank in the top ten.

Boston gave birth to America's liberty. The values that sparked our Revolution continue to inspire Bostonians today - love of freedom, dedication to country, and concern for our fellow citizens.

The men and women of Boston have served honorably in our armed forces. They have fought and died for our country, so that their children might live in freedom and opportunity.

The abuse of children is a horrible perversion and a tragic crime, and I am proud that the good people of Boston and Massachusetts were leaders in coming forward, shedding light and demanding accountability for this devastating violation of children. Sadly, the sexual abuse of children is a problem throughout the world, and it is not confined in any way to members of the clergy or to one city or one town. Every state in the country has reported child sexual abuse, including Pennsylvania.

On behalf of all of the victims of abuse and the people of Boston and Massachusetts, I ask that he retract his unfounded statements and apologize. I think the families of Massachusetts were hurt just as much by this terrible tragedy as the families of Pennsylvania. Abuse against children is not a liberal or conservative issue. It's a horrific and unspeakable tragedy. Sadly, it happens in every state of this great nation - red states and blue states, in the north and in the south, in big cities and small. The victims of child sexual abuse have suffered enough already, and Senator Santorum should stop making a bad and very tragic situation worse."

miel
07-17-2005, 06:25 PM
You know what really gets me? Those conservatives are all preachy about 'personal responsibility.' Yeah, if you grow up in the most horrible conditions, a slum, where you are treated by society as if you have no future and no one gives a damn about you and you do drugs or commit any crime you need to go to prison for life. But if you have every privilege and are a priest in a liberal atmosphere somehow that atmosphere can be blamed for your actions...

They are SUCH HYPOCRITES!

PG-rated
07-18-2005, 12:08 PM
Also, for a Catholic, I think he has a pretty low opinion of priests, don't you think? Apparently the spiritual leaders of his own religion were so incredibly weak that they couldn't resist the "atmosphere" of Massachusetts. Our spiritual leaders are supposed to be a guiding light in a world of sin, right? So if he truly believes his comments, he must not have a lot of faith in Catholicism as a whole. :rolleyes:

Or he was trying to score some cheap political points because he's a hypocrite. Take your pick. ;)

t3h_wookiee
07-22-2005, 09:14 PM
Santorum needs to just shut up