TTC w/ Charting Vol. 21 - Starting summer off right!

[Charting is Knowledge]

TTCers of ConstantChatter:
Charting Our Course to the BFPs

http://www.ripleysorlando.com/images2/fertilitystatues.jpg
The fertility statues are known to work for some who rub them around the time of possible conception.
It is said that the baby is the most potent part of the statue.

So rub away! :D It's worth a shot!


Who we are:
This is a group of women using charting (temperatures, CM, CP, OPK/FM results, or a combination of these) to try to conceive and, along the way, are learning a heckuvalot about their own bodies! Many of us use a software program to keep track of our charts as well as allowing us to share them with each other. The most common ones are FertitlityFriend.com and Ovusoft.com.

Your threadmistresses for this thread are gymwidow and cowgirl.

To our members:
This thread gets very busy at times, so in order to keep things less overwhelming and a bit more organized, we start a new thread after 5 BFPs. A link to the new thread is always posted at the end of the current thread to help everyone find their way over. The threadmistresses would really appreciate it if everyone would post their updates in Red. That way, if we get a bit behind, it is much quicker to get the thread up-to-date.


Previous Thread... (http://www.constantchatter.com/showthread.php?t=20428)


KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!

Want to join the fun??
We welcome one and all. It doesn’t matter if you have never charted before or if you’ve been charting to avoid. I am sure you will find lots of help and support in this group.

If you would like to join, CD1 is the time to do it! That way, we can cheer you on
throughout your cycle, rather than 2 days before you test! :cool:

Please don't be discouraged by the number of posts in this thread. You don’t have to read the whole thread to join. Feel free to just jump in on the last page. Just read through these first couple of posts and post a reply with the following information and we will get you added right away. Of course, none of this info is a must but we like to know a little bit about one another.


CC Name:
Me: name/age
DH: name/age
Married since: date
Off BCP since: date
TTC since: date
Charting since: date
Known issues/test results:
Chart: link
Current status: waiting to O, What the bleep .., testing...

How to link a chart from Fertility Friend:
Go to My Chart. In the Menu bar on the right hand side go down to sharing- then home page setup, the link will appear in a text box under the heading "Your Charting Home Page Web Address." Highlight the link and copy it to your signature or a post.

[Charting is Knowledge]

- Member ETF Status -

Think I O'ed- Testing 7/3 -7/9:
Armadillo (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/f25aa), kris97 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/12de87), Ptcrn (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/bed5d), Pug Lover (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/25e5a), teacher_jessica (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/13251d)

Think I O'ed- Testing 7/10 -7/16:
ChicagoKate (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/c31c5), miaclear (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/122ae9)


Folliculating:
Waiting to O (aka - Boring Part of the Cycle)
ABirney (http://www.ovusoft.com/forum/chart.asp?id=mrsabirney), Alioop12345 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1d0d2), Applebee (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/98534), Berry, byrd's boogie, bumble, chelsea524 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1914c), CTs Punkin (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/mmthomas), Deanna1018 (http://www.ovusoft.com/forum/chart.asp?id=gabbie1018), Gymwidow (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/813ab), honeygirl (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/ee424), Janu98, Jess71903 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/10d126), Jjsanner (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/24f94), Kanga 1622 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/28596), Lilo, MrsJackson05 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/e581e), Mrs Pell (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/11fb25), Mrs.R (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/118b70), Pocahontas (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/12430d), Pootle (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/11075d), Risa00 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/risa00), RoJo, Smittenk (http://www.ovusoft.com/forum/chart.asp?id=smitten), sneak (http://www.tcoyf.com/forum/chart.asp?id=sneak), Sunshine (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/13cf5c), SweetRed (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/128004), Tealynn (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/114180)

Stagnating:
What the *bleep* is going on?!?!

Chart not Updated -- Waiting for an update:

Taking a Charting Break/Temporarily TTA:
Charliezangel (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/c97d2), Chris~n~Jen (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/101143), cowgirl (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/f3285), j*east (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/132a93), jessied1025 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/c57c3), Jnshanna (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/cafa6), polarama (http://www.ovusoft.com/forum/chart.asp?id=polarama), Polkadot (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/b9a0d), pride&prejudice, Stevesbabygirl (http://www.ovusoft.com/forum/chart.asp?id=stevesbabygirl), TazLuv (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/e80b5)


Percolating:
Expecting Mommies!

BFPs in July: (2)
MrsKinnison (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/89c6c), Sherb

BFPs in June: (10)
Felicity (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/db809), fsb2005 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/10ac41), jenjen0713 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/794c9), JodyLovesScotty (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/875bf), KristieB (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/df6e5), LDS Angel 19 (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/64d1c), lilhimley (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/131d02), MrsHill (http://www.ovusoft.com/forum/chart.asp?id=mrshill), phillytiger (http://www.tcoyf.com/chart.asp?id=lege), Sebski (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/8302a)

BFPs in May: (3)
Indiana Bride (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1d936), lattee22 (http://www.tcoyf.com/forum/chart.asp?id=lattee22), Tealynn (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/114180)

BFPs in April: (5)
Deanna1018 (http://www.ovusoft.com/forum/chart.asp?id=gabbie1018), giry76 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/781ab), Harmony96 (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/d1b58), Kimmer (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/106fea), Marteneym (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/7fa78)

BFPs in March: (9)
ausi2b (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/f7062), BethIrish (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/105e49), Delaney21 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/e9d11), Ilovemygeek (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/bec65), Mayham (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/be39e), neenbean (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/66982), Roberta (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/10827a), RubberSoul (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/118cd2), Sare79 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/fe765)

BFP’s in February: (10)
Bunnybeth (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/e5de5), Dlj78 (http://www.ovusoft.com/forum/chart.asp?id=dlj78), Ellidew (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/78d2a), jeant ( http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/5ef37), Jenzen01 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/41226), Lilla (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/2c0b6), MichelleRenee (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/e174a), mimieliza (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/b84ec), Quartercentury (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/3313f), Sinclair319

BFP’s in January: (12)
Adam's Pi (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/95990), Dionysia (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/fdec3), Hula1974 (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/905ef), jbemommy ( http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1064ba), Katmg (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/89994), lawgirl4 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/a6770), Lily (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/447e7), MSH, Polkadot (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/b9a0d), octoberkate (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/f8c44), Spencer's_Girl (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/6f9cc), suiej (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/10159a)

BFP's in December: (8)
Abby's Mom, ajlanden (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/2fdee), Aletheia (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/a0c60), Dotsie (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/e00ca), jeggink (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/1c595), Mrs. M. (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/1a234), Sabriel (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/4431c), UTChick (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/bf25d)

BFP's in November: (7)
Almostthere, Ellebelle (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/2f8f5), Jesseybell (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/cd4f1), Lindybug (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/99db2), Linnybubbles (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/f2330), mkvh (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/99502), mrst2b2003

BFPs in October: (19)...We Broke the Record for most BFP's in One Month!!!!
amurphy (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/a5e06), Bottleored (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/44b0a), BunnyBeth (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/e5de5), Calla Lily (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/b025d), Ds2003 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/ds2003), flygirl, Gardenia (http://www.tcoyf.com/forum/chart.asp?id=gardeniacc), jbenny75 (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/803b1), Kaeden's Mommy (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/bcdb2), Lizard (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/af125), Mystikal (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/RaeK622), nuhmah (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/d72dc), Ryan (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/3f12b), SarahnCraig (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/c1846), Shouldaeloped (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/63d7a), Soulmate (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/Soulmate), Klav (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/21291), ShelbyMay (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/67c07), Wrighty26 (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/beb7b)


Tributatoring:
Proud Cheerleaders!
T3h_wookie (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/25336)

Please advise if we are off-target with your ETF (Estimated Test-Fest) or other status, or just need a good old-fashioned Ovary Shout!

[Charting is Knowledge]

Our mommies!

BFPs in September: (3)
Baby Lust (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/Shanes_Angel), Lowcountrywed (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/c4aeb), Sabriel (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/4431c)

BFPs in August: (11)
Akachan93 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/229b9), Crazycaro (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/21ac6), Guinness (http://www.ovusoft.com/forum/chart.asp?cycle=10&id=guinness&tc=0&p=), jeeplover (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/721bb), Indiana Bride (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1d936), LittleStar (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/c204a), Mel7dog (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/ca05d), Missy329 (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/2b4de), MMHinCA (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/c14c1), Sinclair319 (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/sinclair319), Stumbles (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/b1333), Uskiku (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/cdfb0)

BFPs in July: (10)
Elenitsa (http://www.ovusoft.com/forum/chart.asp?cycle=13&id=elenitsa&tc=0&p=), Heidi0622 (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/549f8), Jane&Andy (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/c455f), Kopper (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/9e5e6), MrsCantDecide (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/59e5b), Red_Canuck, Sevilla, ShannonGH (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/ShannonGH), Tracie (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/a18c8), Tunibell (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/59461)

BFPs in June: (2)
Christy5599, Lovin'it

[Charting is Knowledge]

Our Members:

ABirney (http://www.ovusoft.com/forum/chart.asp?id=mrsabirney)
Me: Angie, 31
DH: Scott, 29
Married since: Sept 25, 2004
Off BC since: Dec '04
TTC since: Sept '05
Charting since: Dec 20 '04
Known issues: possible PCOS, starting Metformin 5/4/06

Adam's Pi (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/95990)
Me: 25
DH: 28
Married since: June 29, 2002
DS: June 25, 2004
Off BCP since: October 2002
TTC since: December 2005
Charting since: December 2005 (but we charted when we TTC DS)
Known issues/test results: This is my first known cycle since giving birth to my DS--I BF'ed him and didn't have a PP AF for 17.5 months....I'm still figuring out what my body is up to

Alioop12345 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1d0d2)
Me: Alioop12345 (33)
DH: Aron
DS: Jacob (02/03/04)
TTC #2 since: 5/05
Known issues/test results: Seeking help from RE using Gonal F, progesterone, estrodial, and HcG...probably going to use Viagra next cycle

Applebee (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/98534)
Me: Lori Ann
DH: Ted
Married since: 4.4.03
Charting since: since Feb '05
Known issues/test results: Day3 Test all ok, DH's SA ok, but will have another one done. Motility on the low side

Armadillo (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/f25aa)
Me: 27
DH: 30
Married since: 10/2004
Off BCP since: 7/2005
TTC since: 8/2005
Charting since: 11/2005
Known issues/test results: none

Berry
Me: Connie, 29
DH: K, 31
Married since: 06/08/02
Off BCP since: May 2004
TTC since: May 2006
Charting since: November 2004
Known issues/test results: None

byrd's boogie
me~boogie/32
dh~byrd/33
married~05.05.05
children~stepson and furbaby
off bc since June 05
known issues~miscarriage 08/05, fibroids removed via myomectomy 02.24.06

Bumble
DH: 33
Married since: 8.2003
TTC since: 4.2005
Charting since: 1.2005
Known issues/test results: miscarriage 6.2005 (8 weeks)

Charliezangel (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/c97d2)
Me: Emily 23
DH: Daniel 31
Married since: 5-22-05
Off BCP since: 11-23-05
TTC since: 1-6-06
Charting since: 1-17-06

chelsea524 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1914c)
Me: Chelsea (23)
DH: Jonathan (34)
Married since: 9/4/02
Off BCP since: IUD out on 5/5/06
TTC since: 5/5/06
Charting since: 6/06
Known issues/test results:none

ChicagoKate (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/c31c5)
Me: Kate, 31
DH: Chris, 33
Married since: 11.12.05
Off BCP since: 12.29.05
TTC since: 12.29.05
Charting since: 12.29.05
Known issues/test results: had a CP on cycle 2, took cycle 3 off from charting temps

Chris~n~Jen (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/101143)
Me: Jenifer/28
DH: Chris/30
Married since: 10/29/05
Off BCP since: 01/01/03
TTC since: 10/29/05
Charting since: 02/19/06
Known issues/test results: none
Current status: Think I O'd, testing 03/11-03/14

cowgirl (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/f3285)
Me: 28
DH: 33
Married since: 6/14/2003
TTC since: 6/14/2004
Charting since: 10/24/2005
Known issues/test results:

CTs Punkin (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/mmthomas)
Me: MMT age 33
DH: CT age 37
Married: 11/04
Off BCP: 12/04
TTC since: 01/05
Known issues/test results: diagnosed with premature ovarian failure 4/06
4/6 Lap - shows open tubes, small bit of endo lasered off
Moving on to IUI in next month or so

Gymwidow (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/813ab)
Me: 29
DH: 29
Married since: June '03
Off BCP since: Feb. '05
TTC since: June '05
Charting since: Feb. '05
Known issues/test results: PCOS diagnosed 9/05; 50 mg Clomid 11/05; 50 mg Clomid 12/05; 100 mg Clomid and IUI 1/06; 100 mg Clomid and IUI 2/06; 100 mg Clomid and IUI 3/06; O'd on my own 4/06!; Gonal-F and IUI 5/06

honeygirl (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/ee424)
Me: Anne
DH: wonderful
Married since: 2003
Off BC since: August 2005
TTC since: May 2006
Charting since: August 2005
Known issues: luteal phase defect (short LP & post-o spotting), in the process of testing/med trials

j*east (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/132a93)
Me: J, 31
DH: T, 31
Married since: July 2004
Off BCP since: April 1, 2006
TTC since: May 2006
Charting since: June 1, 2006
Known issues/test results: Endometriosis, should conceive ASAP

Janu98
Me: Mona/27
DH: Abdullah/30
Married since: Sept 4, 2004
Off BCP since: Nov/05
TTC and Charting since: Nov/05
Known issues/test results: none

Jess71903 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/10d126)
Me: Jessica (27) - December 10
DH: Tony (26)
Married: July 19, 2003
Last BCP: Date August 21, 2005
TTC since: Aug 2005
Charting since Jan 3, 2006

jessied1025 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/c57c3)
Me: Jessie (28)
DH: Jim (29)
Married since: Oct. 25, 2003
Off BC since: July 2005
TTC Since: Sept/Oct 2005
Charting Since: Nov 2005
Known Issues: None

Jjsanner (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/24f94)
Me: Jen, 30
DH: Eric, 33
DS: Elijah, born 2/6/2004
Married since: 4/26/2003
Off BCP since: 10/2004
TTC since: 6/2005
Charting since: 10/2004
Known issues/test results: None

Jnshanna (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/cafa6)
Me: Shanna/30
DH: Jose/31
Married since: 10/01/94
Off BCP since: Haven't been on BCP for many years.
TTC since: July 2005
Charting since: 8/07/05
Known issues/test results: None

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Members continued...

Kanga 1622 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/28596)
Me: 26
DH: 28
Married since: 8/31/02
Off BCP since: 7/03
TTC since: 02/06
Charting since: 07/03
Known issues/test results: None

kris97 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/12de87)
Me: Kristin, 31
DH: Ryan, 31
Married since: 5/2/4
TTC since: 4/06
Charting since: 5/06
Known issues/test results

LDS Angel 19 (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/64d1c)
Me: Michelle, 23
DH: Aaron, 23
Married since: Sept 4th 2004
Angel: Allison Grace, born and died June 17 2005
Off BCP since: Never on BCP
TTC (again) since: August 2005
Charting since: Charted August, took September off, and now starting again.
Known issues/test results: None at this time

Lilo
Married since: 2002
Off BCP since: late 2004?
TTC since: January 2006
Charting since: November 2004
Known issues/test results: None
Chart: no link at the moment

miaclear (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/122ae9)
Me: Amy 30
DH: Dirk 30
Married since: September 18, 2004
Off BCP since: March 2006
TTC since: March 2006
Charting since: May 2006
Known issues/test results: None known

MrsJackson05 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/e581e)
Me: Jessica/23
DH: Travis/29
Married since: September 10th, 2005
TTC since: October, 2005
Charting since: Ocober 2005
Known issues/test results:

Mrs Pell (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/11fb25)
Me: Cori, age 28
DH: Mark, age 35
Married since: July 12, 2003
Off BCP since: July, 2003
TTC since: "Seeing what happens" for about a year...just now actively trying
Charting since: Feb 28, 2006
Known issues/test results: none
Current status: waiting to O

MrsR (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/118b70)
Me: Jessica/32
DH: Matt/33
Married since: October 18, 2003
Off BCP since: June 2005
TTC since: June 2005
Charting since: February 2006
Known issues/test results: None

Pocahontas (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/12430d)
ME: 35
DH: 33
Married: Sept. 3, 2005
TTC and Charting since: 12/05
Known issues: Fibroids

polarama
Me: Jenn, 30
DH: Chris, 30
Married since: 7/27/2002
Off BCP since: November, 2005
TTC since: November, 2005
Charting since: December, 2005
Known issues/test results: Possible PCOS, but never confirmed.

polkadot (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/b9a0d)
Me: Lauren 26
DH: Brian 27
Married since: Nov. 20, 2004
Off BC since: May 05
TTC since: May 05
Charting since: May 05
Known issues: m/c 1/06; Me: Irregular O, and low Progest. Clomid 50mg May 06; DH: Varicocele 5/06

Pootle (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/11075d)
Me: 27
DH: 27
Married since: 12/31/2005
Off BCP since: 1/23/06
TTC since: 6/1/06
Charting since: 1/23/06
Known issues/test results:None that I know of

pride&prejudice
Me: Rosie/27
DH: Gary/27
Married since: 5.28.05
Off BCP since: 4.23.06
TTC since: hopefully July!
Charting since: starting next cycle
Known issues/test results: none
Current status: waiting for DH to be off methotrexate for 3 months

Ptcrn (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/bed5d)
Me: Jen/30
DH: Gerry/30
Married since: July 30th 2005
Off BCP since: August 14th 2005
TTC and Charting since: August 14th 2005
Known issues/test results: none

Pug Lover (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/25e5a)
Me: Julie - 26
DH: Josh - 28
Married since: 4/20/02
Off BCP since: was only on it for maybe 4 months when I was first married
TTC since: June '06
Charting since: June '03
Known issues/test results: none yet! First TTC Cycle!

Purplesunshine7
Me:
DH:
Married since: 4/5/03
Off BCP since:
TTC since: 7/05
Known issues/test results: m/c 6/2/05

Risa00 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/risa00)
Me: Lisa/28
DH: Sean/35
Married since: 2003
Off BCP since: 2/06
TTC since: 6/06
Charting since: 6/06

RoJo
Me: 32
DH: 32
Married since: 8/02
Off BCP since: 2002
TTC since: June 2005 (some months not TTC)
Charting since: June 2005
Known issues/test results: No known fertility issues

Sebski (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/8302a)
Me: 29
DH: 31
DS: 6 months
Married since: Oct 2002
TTC since: May 2006
Charting since: March 2005
Known issues/test results: High FSH level confirmed May 2006

Smittenk (http://www.ovusoft.com/forum/chart.asp?id=smitten)
Me: Alison/28
DH: Mike/37 on April 12!
Married since: April 03 2004
Off BCP since: Oct 2005
TTC since: Now
Charting since: Oct 2005
Known issues/test results:mild displaysia

sneak (http://www.tcoyf.com/forum/chart.asp?id=sneak)
Me: Kristen/26
DH: Jay/33
Married since: 04.04.04
Off BCP since: Jan. 2004
Children: DD Jenalyn March 12, 2005 (2 months trying)
TTC since: Jan. 06
Charting since: May 2006

Stevesbabygirl (http://www.ovusoft.com/forum/chart.asp?id=stevesbabygirl)
Me: Heather, 27
DH: Steve, 28
Married since: August 31, 2003
Off BCP since: February 2006
TTC since: waiting for CD1
Charting since: February 2006
Known issues/test results: Endometriosis

Sunshine (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/13cf5c)
Me: Tamara/26
DH: Dell/30(this Friday)
Married since: August 27, 2005
Off BCP since: May 6, 2006
TTC since: May 6, 2006
Charting since: May 9, 2006
Known issues/test results: N/A

SweetRed (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/128004)
Me: 33
DH: 38
Married since: 7/2005
Off BCP since: 3/2006
TTC since: This month???
Charting since: 3/2006
Known issues/test results: Very irregular periods pre-BCP

TazLuv (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/e80b5)
Me: CM/29
DH: BM/29
Married since: July 2002
Off BCP since: June 2005
TTC since: Aug 2005
Charting since: 9/23/05
Known issues/test results: Loooooooong cycles

teacher_jessica (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/13251d)
Me: Jessica/29
DH: Brad/32
Married since: 7/23/2005
Off BCP since: About 3 years ago
TTC since: April 2006
Charting since: April 2006
Known issues/test results: N/A

Tealynn (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/114180)
Me: Teresa/35
DH: Phil/41
Married since: Sept 2003
Off BCP since: years
TTC since: For over a year but just a couple of months w/ TCOYF
Charting since: May 2006
Known issues: no known issues

[Charting is Knowledge]

Things I Have Learned About TTC
by WC's Sherylb

* TTC is a journey. You will discover things about yourself that you never expected. You will face fears you never thought you had. You will find joy in little things.

* TTC can bring you closer to your DH, or it can pull you apart. If your marriage is not solid, you will find out quickly.

* No one understands exactly what you are feeling at any given moment, but someone can empathize at least a little bit.

* You will experience an emotional roller coaster ride. There will be highs and lows and fast moments and slow. Sometimes you have to wait in a very, very slow moving line. You may not even get the seat you want. It is not always fun, it can be scary, but in the end it is worth it.

* "Just relax" is the last thing in the world you want to hear from someone, but it is OK if you say it about yourself.

* There will be moments when you question your own decision to start TTC. You will wonder if you should wait or if you should just give up. Those are normal. But you will get past those feelings.

* The blue and green turtle likes to pop its head out! You will hear of someone's pregnancy and turn green with envy and blue inside because it isn't you.

* It isn't fair, it isn't easy, and it isn't pretty. But you keep doing it because the reward is worth it.

* You will be your best friend and your worst enemy. Your body will
surprise you and yet disappoint you.

* Some women do get lucky and conceive right away. Others aren't so lucky and have to struggle to get there. Hope you will be in the first category, but prepare yourself to be in the second.

* Once you decide to TTC, there will be babies and pregnant women everywhere! You could swear there is a baby boom going on!

* You will have questions. No one will ever be in exactly your position, so don't be surprised when no one can give you exactly the answer you are looking for. But there are people that can contribute, so don't be afraid to ask!

* Two lines on a pregnancy test is not the end of the struggle. Pregnancy has lots of struggles in and of itself.

[Charting is Knowledge]

HPT sensitivity chart

These numbers might come in handy when shopping for HPTs.
The lower the amount of mIU measured, the more sensitive the test is!

AimStick Pregnancy Test Strip 20 mIU
AccuHome Midstream Pregnancy Test 25 mIU
Answer Early Result Pregnancy Test 25 mIU
Answer Pregnancy Test (Cup) 25 mIU
Clearblue +/- 25 mIU
Clearblue Digital 25 mIU
Confirm 1-Step Pregnancy Test 25 mIU
Dollar Store Brand Pregnancy Test 25 mIU
Equate Pregnancy Test 25 mIU
First Response Early Result Pregnancy Test 25 mIU
One Step Be Sure Pregnancy Test 25 mIU
Precise Pregnancy Test (doctors office) 25 mIU
Quickview Pregnancy Test (doctors office) 25 mIU
Walgreen Digital 25 mIU
e.p.t. Home Pregnancy Test 40 mIU
Fact Plus Pregnancy Test 40 mIU
CVS Cartridge Pregnancy Test 50 mIU
CVS Midstream Pregnancy Test 50 mIU
Drug Emporium Brand Pregnancy Test 50 mIU
e.p.t. + / - Test 50 mIU
e.p.t. Certainty Digital Test 50 mIU
early Pregnancy test 50 mIU
RiteAid Brand Pregnancy Test 50 mIU
Target Brand Pregnancy Test 50 mIU
WalMart Brand Pregnancy Test 50 mIU
Walgreens Pregnancy Test 100 mIU

[Charting is Knowledge]

- Common TTC abbreviations

This is a list of some of the more common TTC abbreviations. I know as a newcomer to the TTC threads, it can be hard to keep them all straight. I hope these will help, and if anyone has any they would like added, please let me know!


•2WW: "2 week wait" - The approximate time from possible conception to menstruation due date; Pregnancy tests should be taken near the end of the 2WW.
•AF: "Aunt Flo"; Your period; Menstruation
•AFNW: "Aunt Flo Not Wanted"; the day your period is expected to start, but you are hoping it doesn't!
•AO: anovulatory (cycle without ovulation)
•BBs: "boobs"; breasts
•BBL: "be back later"
•BBT: Basal Body Thermometer; This is used to measure your basal body temperature, when you wake up in the morning, after at least 3 hours of sleep, before you start to move around; Use a special BBT thermometer to take your temperature because they measure the small changes in temperature from day to day more accurately than the regular fever thermometers.
•BCP: Birth control pills
•BD'ing: "baby dancing"; baby-making intercourse
•BFN: "Big Fat Neutral" or “Big Fat Negative”; Negative pregnancy test.
•BF'ing: breast-feeding
•BRB: "be right back"
•CD: cycle day; a particular day in your menstrual cycle (example: CD1 is the first day of your period)
•CL: Cover Line; a visual tool used to separate the low (pre-ovulatory) temps from high (post-ovulatory) temps; a coverline is typically based on the temperatures 6 days prior to ovulation.
•CM: cervical mucous; one of the most useful clues your body can give you in predicting your fertility; it can range from dry, creamy, sticky, or (the most fertile) egg white/watery type.
•CF: cervical fluid; same as cervical mucus
•CP: cervical position; an optional, but sometimes really useful, fertility sign; CP will generally be low, firm and closed before and after ovulation, and high, soft and open during your fertile time.
•DD: "dear daughter"
•DH: "dear husband"
•DS: "dear son"
•DPO: Days Past Ovulation; number of days from your post-ovulatory temperature rise. (Example: 1DPO is the day after your ovulation)
•Endo: endometriosis (can be a fertility problem)
•EDC and EDD: estimated date of confinement (antiquated, but still used by physicians) and estimated date of delivery
•EPT: a brand of pregnancy test, or, generic for "early pregnancy test"
•EW or EWCM: egg white cervical mucus; the most fertile quality CM; it is slippery, clear and stretchy, like egg whites; also EWCF
•FAM: Fertility Awareness Method; the method of fertility and/or birth control that correlates the physical changes you experience during your cycle to predict when you are most fertile
•FF: Fertility Friend, an online (free, for basic services) fertility charting site (website); (could also be formula feeding; check context)
•FM: fertility monitor
•FMU: first morning urine
•FP: follicular phase; the phase before ovulation, where the egg matures in the ovaries
•FRED: First Response Early Detection (pregnancy test)
•HCG: human chorionic gonadotropin; the hormone that is present during pregnancy and what the HPT's and blood test measure to determine if you are pregnant
•HTH: "hope that helps"
•HPT: home pregnancy test; a urine pregnancy test you can take at home
•IMHO: "in my humble opinion"
•IMO: "in my opinion"
•IUI: intra-uterine insemination
•IVF: in vitro fertilization
•KU: knocked up
•LH: leutenizing hormone; the LH surge is what is measured by the OPKs; this hormone signals the egg to burst from the ovary
•LP: luteal phase; the phase of your cycle that begins just after ovulation and continues for 10-18 days, ending with the start of your next period; during the LP, your body continues to build up the lining of your uterus, and produce hormones which would support a pregnancy; this is the time when a fertilized egg can implant into the uterine lining
MBFP Mystery big fat positive- When you see a BFP in someone’s chart but they haven’t announced it yet
•NFP: Natural Family Planning; similar to FAM, but with abstinence during the fertile period
•O, Oing, Oed: ovulation, ovulating, or ovulated
•OPK: ovulation predictor kit; tests for presence of LH surge that usually precedes ovulation by 12-48 hours; these tests are quite expensive and not always accurate (if you take medication or depending on your age); these are optional when charting with FF, but if your fertility data is not clear it can bring more light and help interpret difficult cases
•OS: Ovusoft; charting software based on TCOYF
•PCOS: polycystic ovarian syndrome (a fertility problem)
•PG: pregnant
•PIAC: pee in a cup
•POAS: pee on a stick
•RE: reproductive endocrinologist
•SA: semen analysis
•SH: "sweet husband"
•SO: "significant other"
•SYS, SYL : See ya soon! or See ya later!
•TCOYF: Taking Charge Of Your Fertility by Toni Weschler; a book and website about charting and fertility.
•TMI: "too much information" - There is no such thing when TTC!
•TTA: "trying to avoid"
•TTC: "trying to conceive"
•TTFN: "ta-ta for now"
•TTYL, TTYS: "talk to you later" or "talk to you soon"

[Charting is Knowledge]

Resources borrowed from Still At It:

Abbreviations and acronyms
List of TTC & IF acronyms written out (http://womens-place.com/ttc/ttcacronyms.php)

HPT Sensitivity Comparison Charts
Fertility Plus (http://www.fertilityplus.org/faq/hpt.html)
Pee On A Stick (http://www.peeonastick.com/hpts.html)
Mama's Ark (http://www.mamasark.com/hpt.htm)
Baby Hopes (http://www.babyhopes.com/pregnancy-test-sensitivity.html)
Remember, the hCG starts at 1 at implantation and increases as time goes on, so the smaller amount of hCG it measures, the more sensitive the test is!

Books
Taking Charge of Your Fertility by Toni Weschler, MPH (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0060937645/qid=1041654042/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/104-0287896-1655948?v=glance&s=books&n=507846)

The Fertility Sourcebook by M. Sara Rosenthal, PHD (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0737303808/qid=1042220393/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-0287896-1655948?v=glance&s=books)

Inconceivable by Ben Elton (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0385334656/qid=1041659461/sr=1-7/ref=sr_1_7/104-0287896-1655948?v=glance&s=books)
The movie "Maybe Baby" (below) is based on this book

Inconceivable: A Woman's Triumph Over Despair and Statistics
by Julia Indichova (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0767908201/qid=1059292613/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-2812959-1358247?v=glance&s=books)

The Infertility Diet: Get Pregnant & Prevent Miscarriage by Fern Reiss (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1893290395/qid=1059292976/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-2812959-1358247?v=glance&s=books)

Conquering Infertility: Dr. Domar's Mind/Body Guide to Enhancing
Fertility & Coping with Infertility by Alice Domar, Phd (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0670031550/qid=1059293116/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/103-2812959-1358247)


Girlfriend to Girlfriend: A Fertility Companion by Kristen Magnacca (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1588202135/qid=1082306449/sr=8-2/ref=pd_ka_2/104-9895052-8814318?v=glance&s=books&n=507846)

Movies
Maybe Baby (2001) (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000062XKW/qid=1041654127/sr=8-4/ref=sr_8_4/104-0287896-1655948?v=glance&s=video&n=507846)

She's Having A Baby (1988) (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/6300988996/qid%3D1041654195/sr%3D11-1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/104-0287896-1655948)

Websites (by subject)

Charting
Ovusoft aka TCOYF (http://www.ovusoft.com/)
The site for Toni Weschler's book which includes message boards, chat and cycle galleries which are very helpful.

Fertility Friend (www.fertilityfriend.com)
A free charting site which includes a lot of information and cycle galleries.

Local Support
RESOLVE: The National Infertility Association (http://www.resolve.org/main/national/chapters/resolvenearyou.jsp?name=chapters)
Nation-wide referrals to local support groups and therapists.

The American Infertility Association (http://www.americaninfertility.org)
Lots of information and support, including message boards and chat rooms.

Financial Concerns
ARC: Advanced Reproductive Care (http://www.arcfertility.com/)
information on financing infertility treatments

Family Fee Plan (http://www.amerifee.com/fertility-financing/index.asp)
information on financing infertility treatments

State Insurance Requirements (http://www.resolve.org/main/national/advocacy/insurance/index.jsp?name=advocacy&tag=insurance)
Links from the Resolve site about insurance & laws.

Inciid's Insurance pages (http://www.inciid.org/index.php)
Click through menu on right for more financial topics and the insurance forum.

General TTC
Trying To Conceive.com (http://www.tryingtoconceive.com/)
All things TTC! Lots of info as well as a place to buy herbal therapies for
conceiving.

Baby Med (http://www.babymed.com/)
Tons of information. Everything from Chinese gender charts to an FAQ section on pretty much any TTC question you could have.

Baby Hopes (http://www.babyhopes.com)
Baby makin' supplies!

OBGYN.net (http://www.obgyn.net/)
Lots of general info on women's health. They also have doctors on line who
answer questions.

Infertility Sites
INCIID (http://www.inciid.org/)
Pronounced "inside". (The International Council on Infertility Information Dissemination)
Excellent national resource.

Resolve (http://www.resolve.org)
Wonderful site with lots of infertility information and support.

I dream of baby (http://www.idreamofbaby.com/fertility.php)
Learn the basics of fertility issues here. This site also has a great message
board community!

Fertility Plus.org’s list of female hormone levels (http://www.fertilityplus.org/faq/hormonelevels.html#female)
Starting your fertility work-up? Check out this site to see a list of the
commonly tested female hormone levels, the function of each hormone, and the normal levels of each hormone.

Shared Journey (http://www.sharedjourney.com)
Shared Journey is dedicated to providing quality information on topics such as
infertility, miscarriage, surrogacy, pregnancy after infertility, living
child-free, and adoption. Our information is supplied by well noted Reproductive
Endocrinologist's, Psychologists, Adoption professionals and links through
various sites.

FertileHeart (http://www.fertileheart.com)
A community of people exploring holistic approaches to fertility. A site by
author Julia Indichova (see books above)

Specific IF Issues
Soul Cysters (http://www.soulcysters.com)
PCOS site with lots of support and info

Dr. Beer (http://www.repro-med.net)
Reproductive Immunology information, including lists of tests, pricing, local referrals

Reproductive Immunology Support (http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/immunologysupport/)
Yahoo group for RI patients, tons of info and articles

Info for Family and Friends
Empty Arms (http://www.vocalicious.com/empty_arms/empty_arms_mod.html)
This is a great video so they can understand what you're going through. (And get out your kleenex!)


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http://www.girarddna.com/baby%20bottoms%20182.jpg

[Chris~n~Jen]

Yay, I'm the first to post in the new thread. Let's keep this streak of bfp's going.

Good Luck to everyone! :D

[gymwidow]

Today we had our 5th IUI. I hope this is it. DH's count was pretty good, and for the first time he came into the room with me for the procedure. I told him I needed him as my good luck charm, and he sucked it up and dealt with his fear/worry/freaking-out-ed-ness about seeing me in the stirrups. We'll also BD tonight and tomorrow just in case. The doctor who did the IUI today mentioned that I have a ton of CM (probably because of the lack of drugs I'm on this month!), so hopefully that will help.

fsb2005 & lilhimley, cautious congrats to you both!

MrsKinnison, welcome! We've a great trend going here of first-time-trying-BFPs. I hope you can continue it! :)

[ptcrn]

Wow, I go away for a couple of days and 3 new BFP's! I like the trend we've got going in here!

Congrats Felicity, fsb, and lilhimley! Happy and healthy 9 months to all of you! It's so exciting to see good news in here. :)

gymwidow, thinking good implantation thoughts for you! It sounds promising that you have good CM- I hope this IUI does the trick!

Welcome, MrsKinnison! Hope your stay here is short and sweet.

miaclear, I'm not sure, but I would start the green tea and grapefruit about a week before you expect to O. I think it does take a few days at least to build up in your system (though I have nothing scientific to back my thoughts up!) I'm starting the green tea today and I'm only on CD 4.

[mrs_pell]

Yeah for the new thread already! :) MUCH better than the last one! Yikes...that one seemed like it took forever!

MrsKinnison ~ Welcome!!!

gymwidow ~ Hopefully this is it for ya! Great for DH coming in with you! He'll need to get used to it anyway for all those pregnacy appointments! :)

As for me...patiently waiting. I'm 4dpo and won't test until at least 16 dpo, since that's what my LP's been. Here's to a long 2ww! :)

[JayJay]

Well, 10 DPO for me...the good news is that my temp isn't falling. (Yet.)

Seriously, though...for lunch I made steaks, and sweetcorn. I ate and ate and ate. Then we went to sit on the couch. Not even half an hour later, I am starving. So, I just ate another ear of corn, and what was leftover of my steak. Now, about 20 minutes later, I'm hungry. again. What the hell is going on?!?

And I mentioned in the other thread before it got closed, that yesterday I only cried three times on the way to Wal-Mart. Of course it is about an hour drive, but everytime a sappy song would come on, I would start crying. So, if you can picture it, I was driving along, crying and singing. Wow. I'm either preggers, or I have M.A.J.O.R PMS symptoms hitting me. Whew....


pctrn, it's a nice trend isn't it?! I would love to be aboard the BFP train!

gymwidow, I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you. Maybe your DH will be your good luck charm....that was very brave of him to conquer that fear, to be with you! :D


Thank you very much for the new thread, Threadmistress! Your hard work is greatly appreciated. :D

[mrs_pell]

MrsJackson ~ Your chart is looking very nice!! :) Hopefully this is it for you too!!

[flygirl]

Mia, there aren't really any studies showing definitively that green tea affects CM (almost entirely anecdotal), so there are no specifics on when and how to drink it. On the one hand, green tea is encouraged to be a regular part of your diet because of the antioxidents. On the other, studies show that tea can have positive effects on DNA markers within hours. It's up to you to decide how you want to incorporate it into your diet.

A few other suggestions (from traditional Chinese medicine):
Evening Primrose Oil: 1,000 IU per day should be taken
from Cycle Day 1 to Ovulation.
Flax Seed Oil: 2,000 mg per day from Ovulation to AF
Red Raspberry: as tea or 1,000 mg daily. Start anytime in cycle.
Can be taken during pregnancy until a month prior to labor/delivery.
Strengthens the uterine lining which in turn lengthens luteal phase.

Gym: I'll keep my fingers crossed for the next 12 days :).

[MrsR]

gymwidow -- my fingers are crossed for you.

MrsKinnison -- hope your stay is short and sweet.

MrsJackson -- your chart looks great -- fingers crossed:)

*************
Well ladies, I am not feeling to good about this cycle -- my temps have dropped the last two days and since my uterine lining was so thin this cycle I have been trying not to get too hopeful about this cycle -- so, I am bracing myself for AF to arrive while we are in Chicago next weekend for my BIL's graduation from journalism school.

The other bad news is that my blood results came back this week and it turns out I am a carrier for one of the cystic fibrosis mutations -- DH is going in tomorrow to get tested to see if he is a carrier too. If he's not, then we have nothing to worry about, I just have a really bad feeling. Also, since the RE does not accept my DH's insurance we have to pay for these blood tests out of our pocket -- I am hopeful they are not too expensive but I am bracing myself for $400-$500 since we are talking about medical care . . .

[miaclear]

Flygirl....thanks for posting that information! I'll have to check into some of those therapys.

As for now I just got back from the grocery store and bought 3 large grapefruit (not sure how long they keep so I thought I'd just start with 3) and a big ol jug of Arizona Green Tea with ginsing. I bought some lemons too in case I can't stomach it. Who knows....never had the stuff. However I was VERY pleased to come home and see we already had a jug in the fridge! Apparantly DH drinks the stuff...(go figure for my lack of observational skills in my DH's drinking habits). So if for whatever reason I can't stand it....it won't go to waste :) And it sounds like it has a lot more benefits than just CM so I'm going to try to like it.

Not sure if I mentioned before but I also bought Pre-Seed which should be here by the end of the week. Just in time for a BD fest :D

I feel like I'm pulling out all my weapons at once....I hope they do the trick.

[polkadot]

just checking in...and subscribing...we are taking a break but I cant help but wanna take the Evening Primrose Oil anyway...its so hard to stop thinking baby when thats all youve been doing for the last year....ugh...off to lurk...

anyone mind checking out my chart...i think I have had my first anvo cycle...thanks

[Chris~n~Jen]

flygirl, what does the evening primrose and flax seed do?

[Sherb]

Wow, a new thread already! We all know what we've been doing! :D

As for me, I'm just sitting here waiting to O. Which will happen a week and a half from now. Ho hum, *yawn*

Go spemies and eggs for the rest of you!

[miaclear]

Been doing some research and this quote seemed to sum it up the most

http://www.babyhopes.com/articles/herbs.html

Evening Primrose Oil - helps to increase fertile quality cervical fluid and also contains essential fatty acids which are good for the brain. You may take this EPO from menstruation to ovulation and switch to Flax Seed Oil after ovulation. Flax Seed Oil contains the fatty acids needed to maintain a healthy lifestyle. Evening Primrose Oil causes uterine contractions - which is why you should not take it after ovulation in the event that conception did occur.


This link has some more information as well: http://www.babyhopes.com/articles/epo.html


I think I'll be heading out to buy some tomorrow :D

[honeygirl]

Still waiting to O. :)

Quick question: Does anyone else feel uber silly waiting after BD with your legs up? I tried it last night and felt like such a goon. I did it for a few minutes but then gave up. Is it really necessary to wait after BD? If so, how long?

Thanks ladies!

[j*east]

Threadmistress, I finally figured out how to link my chart. (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/132a93) Can you add it to my roll call? Thank you, and thanks for the new thread!

gymwidow, I hope this is it for you! I'm thinking fertile thoughts. :)

polka, I'm just a newbie, but I don't see definitive Oing on your chart. :confused: I'm sure others know more than I do though.

miaclear, I've got the PreSeed too. I just can't bring myself to drink things yet...I'm too picky. I'll be curious to hear how it works for you. :)

MrsR, good luck with the tests...at least this way you'll know, one way or the other.

MrsJackson, I agree, your chart does look nice!

Me...CD 11 and starting the BD fest. I love this part of the cycle b/c I can just let myself be optimistic. DH seems pretty excited too. Yay!

[mrs_pell]

honeygirl ~ I usually just try to stay in bed for at least 20-30 minutes after BDing. If it's a morning quickie, than that usually doesn't work. I don't usually keep my legs up though. Maybe I should start, though!! ;)

Polkadot ~ I'm definitely not a chart expert, but it doesn't look like you've O'd to me. Maybe it's just a delayed O this month. Considering all the stress you've had, it could be a possibility.

j*east ~ Happy BDing! :D

Sherb ~ Waiting to O is definitely the longest phase of this whole TTC thing for me!

MrsR ~ Your temps are still well above coverline, so I wouldn't get too worried yet. Also, I googled some info on CF testing, and from what I could find, typical costs are around $200-$300, but none of that info was very recent. Hopefully it won't be too expensive. Sorry that you have to worry about that, but hopefully he won't be a carrier.

I think that's it. This has been pretty active for a Sunday afternoon! :)

[Jess71903]

anyone mind checking out my chart...i think I have had my first anvo cycle...thanks

Me too! It totally sucks! No, I am not an expert either, but as much as I hate to agree with you, it does look anov to me. I know it's frustrating since you are doing what you can to help your chances. This is the 1st cycle we have BDd SO much! We were all set to cover our bases, and the game got rained out! BOO!

honeygirl- Not a silly question at all! I have finally, after 11 cycles, gotten to where I can go to sleep after BD. I usually wake up at 2 or 3 in the morning and go to the bathroom, but I used to count the minutes until I could go clean up! I don't put my legs up. I have found than any moving around: drawing my knees up, rolling over, tensing up to slide a pillow under my butt, all causes me to tense up my abdomen and TMI- squeeze things out. So, I just try to lay still for at least 15 or 20 minutes.

[mrs_pell]

Jess ~ Depending on tomorrow's temp, it looks like you could've O'd on CD17. Don't give up yet! :)

[polkadot]

hey Jess~ i agree with mrs pell....i think day 17 could be O if your temp stays up fingers crossed for ya....

I just wish af would arrive so this suck ass cycle could be over....next cycle we arent doing anything...but bding when we feel like it...

I am calling tomorrow for my cycle day 21 progest result...although I already know what they will be...:rolleyes:

[miaclear]

Honeygirl...I usually just wait about five to ten minutes after BDing before I get up. But I only just lay there...sometimes fall asleep :o I suppose a little extra gravity wouldn't hurt though.

[jenjen0713]

Well, I'm up at 1:30 in the morning and what do I do, but POAS and I get this....

http://images1.snapfish.com/34732%3C%3A5%3B%7Ffp346%3Enu%3D3255%3E84%3B%3E349% 3EWSNRCG%3D323382%3C9%3A%3A59%3Anu0mrj :eek: :eek: :eek:

Are you serious??? Me, pregnant??? If I didn't actually see the word, I wouldn't believe it. I took an Equate first and it was so light that I thought it was an evaporation line so I took the digital one and up popped the word. I took an Equate yesterday and a FRER and got faint lines but had to take the tests apart and really look at them to see the line. I'm going to wait to tell Patrick until Father's Day and make it a surprise. I'm hoping to get into my doctor's today for blood confirmation. Please send me all the sticky vibes you can spare!! :D

I'm going to be watching each and every one of you and hope to see you all get that BFP soon!

Threadmistress...will you hold off making me graduate for a bit? Thanks!

And now.......

~~~~~~BABY DUST~~~~ (with a little special bit of dust for my cycle buddy MrsJackson!);)

[Jess71903]

Big congrats, jenjen! How cool to tell your DH on Father's Day, although I would not be able to keep that secret for that long!!!

Thank you Mrs. Pell and Polkadot for the encouragement, and as it turns out, you were right, or at least FF agrees with you. Solid lines, too. I never would have guessed. Thankfully Friday (supposed O day) was the last day of the BD marathon! We leave for the US Virgin Islands this Friday and this delayed O will hopefully keep AF away during my much needed vacation! That is such a relief! I was just telling DH last night that it sucked so bad that we pulled out all the stops this cycle and I couldn't do my part.

That said, maybe you are just delayed this much, polkadot! You have been under so much stress with all of the testing and stuff, it wouldn't surprise me. I will be thinking about you and hope that you O!

So, threadmistress, could you please move me to "I think I O'd, testing 6/27-6/30 or so

[Chris~n~Jen]

Congrats and sticky vibes jenjen! I think it's awesome to be able to tell your DH on fathers day. :D

[cowgirl]

Congrats to all the recent BFPs

gymwidow:Thanks for the new thread. Keeping my fingers crossed for you.

Holy cow go away for a weekend and there are BFPs everwhere.

Well I did not temp over the weekend because of getting up at differnt times and going to bed late. I put in todays temp and FF took away my cross hairs :( so not sure whats up. My stomache has been acting strange all week and weekend. Hopefully my temp goes up in the next few days.

[j*east]

jenjen, tentative congratulations to you! That's awesome! :) +-+-+Sticky sticky sticky vibes for you!+-+-+-

Honeygirl, I seem to remember reading in TCOYF that special positions or waiting aren't necessary. The sperm that will go the distance are already where they need to be (past the cervix, presumably) before anything leaks out, and what leaks are the slow guys who won't make it anyway. I'm paraphrasing a bit. I do still wait a few minutes before getting up. :p

Jess, I'm so glad you O'd. :) Yay! You have definitely covered yourself this cycle.

Me--temp drop this morning, so I hope O is coming. Yay!

[tealynn]

Congrats JenJen!!!! I just knew we would be including you w/ the BFPs this month!

Mrs. Jackson, those are such clear signs of a BFP, I think it's just a matter of time. When will you be testing?

Good luck Gymwidow, here's hoping the 5th time is the charm-and all that CM has got to be a good sign too! (You might never know whether it was the IUI or just you and your hubby that created the BFP!)

Mrs. R, don't get too down about the temp drop. Like Mrs.Pell said, you're still way above the cover line and I think all the creamy CM might be a good sign! I'm keeping my finger crossed for you!

Cowgirl, FF took my cross hairs away the month I got my BFP so you never know!

Jess, congrats for O'ing! Sometimes you have to celebrate the little things ;) I hate it when I think my body has failed me in some way. BTW, where are you going in the Virgin Islands? I was there this past Winter and we had such an amazing time!

Flygirl and Miaclear, thanks for the info on green tea and other herbal supplements, and I completely believe I may have some hormones drifting around in me still.

I was just here yesterday and this has turned into a mighty long post but I don't want to forget anyone SO Welcome Mrs. Kinnison, J*east, let the BD fest begin, hi ChrisnJen and Sherb hoping time flies, Honeygirl I would definitely feel like a big dork with my legs up. I usually just wait as long as I can and then jump out of bed and run.

Polkadot, I don't see any clear signs of ovulation...sorry 'bout that.

I apologize if I missed anyone.

[MrsKinnison]

CONGRATULATONS JenJen!!! It will be a tough secret to keep, but the very best Fathers Day gift your DH will ever get!!

MrsJackson & gymwidow ~ I am keeping my fingers crossed for you!!

As for [B]green tea[B], I've tried it and haven't noticed a difference at all. I feel like I never have enough of the right kind of cm, so maybe I will try evening primrose oil & flax seed next cycle (if there is a next cycle :D ), since it's probably too late to start this one. I wonder if I could get preseed in time though....

Also, a couple of you have mentioned feeling like you need to "clean-up" after bd'ing... That doesn't happen for me so I wonder, is it a good thing because they are all swimming right up there, or should I be a little worried??

[Janey]

My goodness there has been a lot going on just since Yesterday!

JenJen - Congratulations! :D Your chart was so hot, I knew it had to be it for you!!

Gymwidow - I am keeping all my crossables crossed for you.

Honeygirl - I wait with my legs up for a while. Not too long, though. We also put a pillow underneath my hips during BD ... we don't when i'm not fertile. Who knows if it helps... but that's what we do. :p


10 DPO. I tested this morning with an EPT Digital. Negative. It's pretty early to get a positive, but I just think ... because of my short-ish LP's (11-13 days) ... if I was pregnant, wouldn't it show at 10? Owell. A few more days will tell for certain.

[ChicagoKate]

Congrats jenjen! Very exciting! And thanks for the dust! I'm rolling around in it for this cycle.

MrsHill ~ I wouldn't get discouraged yet. 10DPO is very early for a BFP and the digital tests are less sensitive than some of the traditional line tests. Dollar Tree has some great sensitive POAS tests for only a dollar (for those obsessive testers. . .) It is my understanding that a short LP would not necessarily mean that you would get a BFP any earlier. BFP just measures the hCG which would all depends on when implantation occurs.

~~~~~~
Nothing exciting for me. AF just left the building so I'm gearing up for some BDing in the coming weeks. Just started using a Fertility monitor. Anyone else use one of these? Thoughts?

[flygirl]

Congrats, jenjen!! I just knew that temp jump yesterday spelled good things :).

Polka, I think it's too early to call annov, but it could still be a delayed O. It'll be interesting to see what your prog levels are.

MrsK, Flax seed, red rasberry & green tea can be taken at any time of the cycle so there's no reason to wait with either of those. Most likely, you're still several days away from O and it's not too late at all to start reaping the benefits.

cowgirl, try not to worry too much about what FF does with the CH; the software is not at all reliable :). For one thing, I don't agree with FF that you O'd last cycle. That said, based on your temps, I really don't see an O. Your temps this entire cycle are in lower than FF's coverline from last cycle and they're actually somewhat consistent between 97.6-98.0. CD24/25 could easily have been a delayed O, so don't stop charting or trying :).

[flygirl]

MrsH, ditto what ChicagoKat said. When you get a BFP has nothing to do with your LP length & everything to do with implantation & how your body metabolizes the hCG.

[kris97]

congrats jenjen! wow, what a fortuitous time to join the thread! :)

[cowgirl]

MrsKinnison:Welcome!

tealynn:I have been keeping that in mind.

flygirl:Thanks for keeping me positive. I try to not worry about ff but I am so new at reading charts.

[polkadot]

Congrats...JenJen H&H 9 months to you.....

I am off to call the doc for my test results....

[jessied1025]

WOW...this thread has been very busy and with lots of BFPs!!!!

Congrats to felicity, fsb, lilhimley & jenjen!! H&H 9 months to you.

I don't know what is going on with my chart. FF hasn't indicated that I O'd yet. My temp has been all over the place and I don't seem to be as "wet" as I was on CD11 or so. I usually have been Oing around CD13, but it doesn't look like it. I guess DH and I will just have to keep covering our basis. Also, I need to get some more ovulation tests, I only had one and of course when I took it this cycle it was negative. I have been very stressed lately along with being (TMI) constipated and I think I also had a small case of hemroids. All of which could have an effect on what is going on this month.

[polkadot]

Ok girls....I am cleaning up my bathroom and I must get rid of all the baby making supplies if I am really taking a break,.....heres a list of supplies i have...


instead cups~ 7
equate Ovulation test~1
internet cheapie PG tst~ 5
Dollar tree pg test~ 4

Ok...first person to PM me.....gets em FREE, I have to get them out of my house!!!!....i will mail them today!!!

:D :D

[Chris~n~Jen]

CD11 for me! The BD fest has begun. ;)

For breakfast this morning I had a grapefruit along with some Arizona Green Tea. I just got back from the bathroom and I am swimming in EWCM! :D For me, it seems that the two of them togeather give me the best results. I mean I havent' noticed any CM of any kind at all until today. I don't check internally, just what's on the toilet paper. I'm super excited.

QOTD: What brand of OPK's do you all use? What time of day do you test?
My first cycle using them I purchased The Answer brand and I managed to get two + tests. After that I was given some internet cheapies from a former graduate. I have yet to get a + on any of those and I'm going on my 4th cycle with them. I could just be missing my surge since I usually test when I get home from work around 5:30 pm. I'm thinking I may need to test more than once a day or just need to go buy a different brand. :p

[Janey]

FlyGirl & ChicagoKate - Thank you both for the reality check. :) You are right about them being less sensitive than some. The tests I used this morning were 40 mIU... that's the mid/upper end of sensitivity. It's entirely too easy to freak myself out during the 2WW! Okay, back to breathing deep, and waiting until 14DPO for the next test.


QOTD: What brand of OPK's do you all use? What time of day do you test?
My NP suggested that I use OPK's last month to see if I was really ovulating when I thought I was, or if I was ovulating earlier, and it was just taking a while for my progesterone to kick in. She specifically suggested Clearblue Easy OPKs (http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=10045053&whse=&topnav=&browse=&s=1), and said Costco had the best price around on them. She said they have had women who have gotten negative results with other brands, and postiive results with the Clearblue Easy ones, so their office specifically suggested those.

I test first thing in the morning, since morning pee is the strongest.

[Sneak]

Wow a new thread! Things move fast around here. Congrats felicity, fsb, lilhimley & jenjen! What an exciting time for you. :)

QOTD: I have only used first response (this cycle) - did it right when I got home from work - 5:00pm - I didn't want to bother with doing it at work and someone finding out! I think next time I would try a different kind though. Its not that I had problems, but results didn't seem very "obvious" - maybe because I had never used an OPK before.

Currently I am 9DPO - had a bit of a temperature jump today for some reason. I'm not quite sure how to interpret my chart but figure that in the next few days there should be some changes in temps to give me some indication of what MAY be going on. Perhaps it is psychological, but had some cramping all day on 7DPO, nausea off and on, constant peeing, headaches, that sort of thing. I'm probably only feeling this cause we want this to be "the month" this time.

Guess I'll be temping this weekend - if I can hold out (though FF is saying not to temp til next week...strange) - what a wonderful way to share the news with our parents and my DH ... on Fathers Day.

[tealynn]

Wow Sneak, your chart is smokin'!!! Obviously we don't have the BD schedule but I'm guessing w/ those OPK tests, you've got your bases covered. I'd say you could probably test Friday and get a good idea of what's up. I'm hoping your temps stay high!

[Sneak]

Thanks tealynn...I am hoping its all good too. (bd CD14,15,16,18,19 - blanketed the time well. hehe) How exciting if it was my first month charting too! Seems to be the trend around here lately!

my bd is on Wednesday but WILL NOT temp then - too early and don't want a bfn on my birthday. :) I'm sure I won't be able to hold out any longer than Friday though.

[ChicagoKate]

Sneak ~ FF tells you to wait until 18DPO to test until you have two FF cycles under your belt. You really only need to wait until 14DPO or so to get a reliable result.

Jessied1025 ~ I would say you definitely have not O'd yet. Sorry! But your last cycle post-O temps were 98.0 and above. So far your temps are below that so keep up the BDing!

cowgirl ~ I also agree that you may not have O'd last cycle, and it doesn't look like this cycle shows O either. Have you had a FF guide look at your charts for you?

QOTD ~ I have not used OPKs in a while but am using a fertility monitor this month. I read that you are supposed to test with FMU (first morning urine) for PG tests, but later in the day for OPKs b/c the FSH builds up in your urine as the day goes on. Do tests differ in this?

[flygirl]

Sneak, (not that you asked :o ) I think you O'd on CD19 which would put you at 7DPO (If you change it to FAM tuner it should change your CH). Just so you don't get too anxious expecting a BFP before it's possible :).

[Chris~n~Jen]

QOTD ~ I read that you are supposed to test with FMU (first morning urine) for PG tests, but later in the day for OPKs b/c the FSH builds up in your urine as the day goes on. Do tests differ in this?

I had also heard not to use FMU for OPKs. That's why I haven't been testing until I get home from work. I really can't see myself bringing my test strips and pee cup into the public bathroom. :rolleyes: Which fertility monitor are you using. I need to start doing a bit more research when it comes to these things. I feel clueless. About how much do fertility monitors cost and where is the best place to purchase them?

[ChicagoKate]

Sneak, (not that you asked :o ) I think you O'd on CD19 which would put you at 7DPO (If you change it to FAM tuner it should change your CH). Just so you don't get too anxious expecting a BFP before it's possible :).

I agree on this.

[Janey]

Sneak - I agree with both FlyGirl & Chicagokate -- I think you ovulated 2 days later than FF says you did.

Question for the gals who use FF ... do you know what criteria it uses to tell you if you ovulated? It amazes me how often I disagree with FF's analyses. I keep trying to figure out how it makes the calls I'm seeing, and I just get more confused. :p

Speaking of which... MrsJackson05, did you decide to override your coverline?

[tealynn]

Originally posted by Flygirl,

"Sneak, (not that you asked ) I think you O'd on CD19 which would put you at 7DPO (If you change it to FAM tuner it should change your CH). Just so you don't get too anxious expecting a BFP before it's possible ."

Flygirl and Chicago Kate, As a novice chart reader, please give me some insight on why you would change her (Sneak's) O date? Because her temp dipped below the coverline on CD 18?

Thanks!

[Janey]

Flygirl and Chicago Kate, As a novice chart reader, please give me some insight on why you would change her (Sneak's) O date? Because her temp dipped below the coverline on CD 18?

I would change it because of two things. 1) She still has EWCM on Day 18. CM dry-up + Temp Jump means she's ovulated. 2) Even though she has gone above the coverline, she doesn't get the nice strong jump of at least .3 degrees until the next day.


Re: OPK & when to test, here is what the Clearblue Easy insert says:
You may test at any time of the day, but you should test at around the same time each day. It is important that you should not have urinated for at least 4 hours before taking the test. (avoid excessive fluid intake before testing as this may dilute the hormone and may make the result difficult to read). Many women find it easiest to test first thing in the morning.

The only time that I don't urinate for the previous 4 hours is first thing in the morning, and I could be pretty sure that it was at about the same time each day if i did it First Thing, so that's when I did it.

[ChicagoKate]

tealynn ~ I think that Sneak O'd on CD19 b/c she was using OPKs and using the FAM (fertilty awareness method) you would O the day after you last + OPK. Plus, her temp rise on CD 17 and 18 wasn't that much, which makes me think CD19 is the most likely. And also, CD18 was her last day of fertile CM.

Chris~n~Jen ~ I am using the CBE digital fertility monitor. It was on sale at drugstore.com for (gasp) $140. To me, it is still worth it to see what's going on with me.

[gymwidow]

And THIS is why you can't always rely on charting: I know I O'd yesterday, thanks to that handy HCG shot on Friday night, yet my temp has not gone up yet. I'm going to assume that the shot didn't malfunction or anything, but just in case I will get another BD out of DH tonight!

ptcrn, flygirl, MrsR, j*east, tealynn, MrsKinnison, & MrsHill, thanks!

mrs pell, lol, that's what I told him! I told him just wait till we're in L&D! Good luck waiting through your 2WW.

MrsJackson, thanks, I'm crossing my fingers for you, too!

MrsR, hugs to you. I hope that DH's blood work is not too costly, and comes back with good results soon!

polkadot, I'm so sorry. That does look annovulatory. But so did my first cycle on Clomid. It was my b/w that proved I had indeed O'd without my temps reflecting it.

honeygirl, yup, I feel silly. I don't know if it does any good or not, but I try to lay there with a pillow under my hips for at least 10-15 minutes before cleaning up a bit.

jenjen0713, cautious congrats to you! Hurry up and test again. We love moving members over the graduates section!

Jess71903, congrats on that O! Woohoo! Enjoy your vacation. I hope it helps the 2WW fly by.

cowgirl, ugh, I am so sorry. Hugs to you.

Sneak, good luck waiting it out! That's an awesome temp jump today.

[tealynn]

That makes sense Mrs. Hill & Chicago Kate, when looking at charts, I need to take the CM data into consideration as well. Thanks for the info :D

[Sneak]

I have a popular chart today! I appreciate all the comments and interpretation! I have so much to learn!

Flygirl, chicagokate, mrshill - thank you so much. I agree that there wasn't much of a temp change on they day that ff thinks I o'd and CD19 looks more accurate (also based on CM and my personal CM pattern in past cycles).

gymwidow - thanks. i'm hoping this temp jump means something...

[Sarah051504]

I hope you girls don't mind me jumping in with a plee for help interupting my chart. I've just started charting part way through my current cycle. I was wondering if someone could take a look at my chart and tell me if it looks like I might have O'd or what might be going on.

Background
I have PCOS, hence the CD54 :rolleyes: I've been off of the pill since Feb and am on my second cycle. First cycle was 28 days, second cycle was 36 days, both with about 11 days of tender BBs before AF showed. This cycle, I've been using OPKs and have gotten about 30 - and not a single +, from CD49 - 52 I was all crampy and nothing since then, I got a BFN on Sat, and today I'm all bloated.

Could I have O'd on CD52? Is AF on her way even though I'm not crampy anymore? I'm so new to charting I have no idea what to think of my temps, they just seem all over the place. TIA

Here's my chart:
http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/12ad6d

[flygirl]

tealynn, the others did a great job of explaining it. To be honest, I think it's so friggin' obvious that she O'd CD19 & I'm absolutely baffled why FF called it earlier.

MrsH, FF has 4 different "tuners" to call O & CL. Here's a good explanation of their Interpretation Methods (http://fertilityfriend.com/Faqs/Fertility_Friend_Interpretation_Methods.html). The default tuner (Advanced) can sometimes do a good job when you have a long history of charts, but there are some that make you go 'huh.' (Check out these two charts (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/flygirl) The first one FF called correctly amidst some strange temps; the second is annov & one of those that makes you go 'huh'.) For some unfathomable reason, though, without a history the first thing FF looks for is a pre-O dip. :rolleyes: I use both OS & FF, and I think the former is generally more reliable *when* it calls O; it just doesn't always (and I'm talking about 4-5 charts out of 28) call an O when your temps don't line up with the 2 or 3 above 6 rule, even with the Rule of Thumb. It, too, takes your past history into consideration and gets better over time.

Sarah, though it's impossible to tell without more temps, I'd guess that you haven't O'd. Anything's possible, of course, but as you know, annov or very long cycles are par for the course with PCOS. So are O signs & crazy temps, since your body is developing the folicles but not releasing them. I notice you're taking Met; is that for diabetes or PCOS? How long have you been on it? There's a good chance that your doc will think you're ready to try Clomid. You'll find a ton of info & support in the Still At It (http://www.constantchatter.com/showthread.php?t=17906) thread for ladies who've been trying for 6 months or longer or have diagnosed infertility issues.

[flygirl]

OPKs: The reason behind testing in the afternoon is because the LH surge usually occurs early in the morning and isn't metabolized until late afternoon. Just as with hCG, some women metabolize it faster or better than others & have no problem getting a +. Women who metabolize slowly may find the hormone levels dropping before they test & never get a +.

ETA: Enough of me already! I'm sounding like such an idiot :rolleyes:.

[ChicagoKate]

Sarah ~ I agree with Flygirl and don't believe you have O'd yet. Sorry!

[Sarah051504]

Thanks girls, I didn't think I O'd but with all the cramps and then AF not showing up, I wasn't sure. I'm on Met for PCOS, have been on it for a year and a half but this was only our first cycle trying. I forgot to mention on cd 20 I started to get some good CM but then I got in a car accident and it went away. SO I don't know if the met is working and the stress messed up the cycle or if it's not working and I jsut got two cycles of "normal" length by chance. MY RE has already offered up clomid but since we hadn't even started TTC yet I declined it. Thanks again girls.

[Janey]

Sarah - Glad to see you here. :) As for your chart, I agree with CK & FG.

ETA: Enough of me already! I'm sounding like such an idiot :rolleyes:.
Umm - Hardly! I'm so glad you're here, answering these questions that keep popping up. I am learning a lot from you & the others thread, the same way I learned from Clattercote, Tlew, and Kemaji & the rest of the folks in the CTA thread.

I get why people use FF -- it's free, and you can access it from anywhere. Those are very attractive features! I think if I were to use FF, however, I'd change the interpretiation to FAM rather than the Advanced method. I think their Advanced method might be what I'm disagreeing with so often.

So far I've found Ovusoft to do exactly what I thought it should except for my 2nd cycle (http://www.ovusoft.com/forum/chart.asp?cycle=2&id=mrshill&tc=0&p=), where I told it I ovulated on CD16 rather than CD15. This month, it called my ovulation the day after I had my +OPK, which is also the same day my temp jumped pretty far. It usually waits to call my ovulation until I've had 3 over 6, so I assume it was using the +OPK in its calculations this month.

[JayJay]

Holy Buckets! Gone for a day, and look at all the action that goes on in this thread! Wow...

11 DPO. I had another temp rise again this morning. It wasn't much, but it went from 98.48 to 98.58. Still looks nice on my chart. I'm still trying not to get my hopes up, because I honestly can't handle being let down. DH really wants me to wait until FF's test date, but it's starting to eat me alive, ecspecially with these temps I've been having. Today I've had a headache again, off and on all day. I've been crampy a little bit today, and I've been starving for 3 days now...I feel like such a hog.
Maybe if my temps stays up tomorrow, I might test. We'll see. :o

Frist of all,jenjen!!!!! I'm so happy for you, cycle buddy! I wanted to wish you a happy and healthy nine months! Congrats, girl! Thanks a billion for the *special* baby dust! I need it.

tealynn, Hopefully, if my temp stays up, I might test tomorrow. But, most likely, I'll be a chickensh*t, and not. I'm funny like that.

cowgirl Sorry you can't figure out what's going on. That's a very frustrating feeling. I've been there. I think that majority of us have, so we all feel for you!

polkadot, just so you know, I really like your new avatar...it's a cute one!

Chris~n~Jen, YAY for EWCM! I too, had some this month, and I rarely get it. It's a good feeling to know that your body can do those little things, huh?!

MrsHill, sorry for the BFN, but I think the other girls are right. Keep your chin up, and keep testing...you're a little too early. For some strange reason the testing hasn't bothered me as much as it usually does this month. Well, until today it didn't bother me. :o

sneak your chart is looking great! Nice temp jump!

[miaclear]

Lots of action here! Just a few replies

Congrats JenJen!!! What a nice surprise in the middle of the night! Did you wake up this morning and think you may have dreamt it?

Mrs Jackson...your chart is looking really good! When is the FF test date? If I were you and got another rise tomorrow I'd be running to the store for a stick.

Myself...after work I went and got my Evening Primrose Oil. Yuck they are stinky! And it says to take one pill three times a day. Yuck. Oh well....I'll handle it. Good thing is you only have to take it till O. I also bought some OPKs. I only got the walgreens brand cause they were $10 cheaper. yeah maybe there's a reason for that but I'll try these out. I got home and my Pre-Seed was here (complete with some packaged baby dust...how cute!). So I am geared up and ready to go!

[MrsR]

jenjen -- congrats!!!

Sorry guys, this has to be quick -- DH went and got the CF test today -- cost $265 so not as bad as I thought -- we even called his PCP to see if he would do it so all we would pay was the copay but no go -- fingers crossed he is not a CF carrier . . .

As for me, 10 DPO and temp went back up -- of course that may have been due to the fact that I woke up abount an hour before I tested and just laid in bed trying to go back to sleep and to forget about my really full bladder ;) . . . fingers crossed it is actually just another temp rise without any connection to my morning activities;)

[miaclear]

MrsR....what did his CF test consist of? Did he just have his regular Dr do it? DH and I were going to test but haven't yet....seems to be maybe the same boat you're in (getting the test after starting TTC). Maybe before my next cycle I'll have him do it. Fingers crossed for a negative.

[Jess71903]

Busy group today! I love it!

BTW, where are you going in the Virgin Islands? I was there this past Winter and we had such an amazing time!

We will be staying on St. Croix for a week. We are SO excited. It is the first REAL tropical vacation for both of us. Where did you go? If St. Croix, do you have any activity suggestions? We plan on snorkeling for sure, and horseback riding if they will let us fudge a little on DH's weight.

Mrs. Jackson "Holy Buckets!" I love your intros! Makes me think of Batman and Robin!

flygirl- I agree with Mrs. Hill!! What would we do without you?


Also, a couple of you have mentioned feeling like you need to "clean-up" after bd'ing... That doesn't happen for me so I wonder, is it a good thing because they are all swimming right up there, or should I be a little worried??

I don't think there's anything wrong with you at all. Do you not feel any...wetness after BDing? I can't stand that feeling and thinking I may get it on the sheets or something and that's why I usually get up. Maybe you are just built different and don't leak as easy. Also, I tend to sleep on my side or stomach but I don't really feel that ick feeling when I am on my back, so if you are a back sleeper, that may be it too.


I am SO much better today since I know I O'd. Temps still aren't as high as I'd like, giving me more reason to believe I have Wilson's Syndrome (discussed in the last thread, but here's the link FYI Wilsons Syndrome (http://www.wilsonssyndrome.com).) It was getting bad with the mood. I was worried that I wouldn't enjoy my vacation for worrying about it...how could you NOT enjoy the USVI????

[pride&prejudice]

Sorry haven't been around much. Keeping up but just haven't had much to post.

Can you move me to "Think I O'd: Testing 6/18-6/25"
Thanks!

[charliezangel]

JenJen Congrats girl. What a way to kick off a new thread

MrsJackson If you get a BFP, I'm going to POAS...Our symptoms are way to similar.

I need to stop hanging around here because i cannot kick this baby bug. I think I'm craying more because we decided to wait than I am about being emotional if I even am PG. Sigh...i hate this

[MrsR]

miaclear -- DH just had 1 vial of blood drawn today. They did not tell him when we could expect his results so I am just hoping it is this week . . .DH's regular doctor would not do it (he said he no longer runs blood tests for other doctors for billing reasons :mad: ) so DH went to the RE to have the blood drawn this morning.

[polkadot]

:rolleyes: well i talked to the doctors nurse...not a big surprise but i didnt O....so she told me that if I dont see AF by day 40 to call and they will give me something to induce AF...yippee....i really hope she shows before then....


ETA: Thanks mrs jackson...i really like it too...and its very fitting right now...

[Sneak]

Sneak, (not that you asked :o ) I think you O'd on CD19 which would put you at 7DPO (If you change it to FAM tuner it should change your CH). Just so you don't get too anxious expecting a BFP before it's possible :).

How do I change it to FAM tuner? (what is 'FAM' and 'CH')

ETA: Figured it out...

[jenjen0713]

Aw shuck, thanks everyone!! It still seems a little unreal! I'm going to continue to lurk in here and keep tabs on everyone and hope each and every one of you get that BFP very soon!! :D

If anyone is on LJ and wants to be friended, just let me know. My username is the same over there as it is here.

[JayJay]

Okay, I'm starting to feel really crampy right now....like AF could show any minute....I hope she stays away!

[lilhimley]

gymwidow, thanks and I hope this time is it for you. FYI, my temp doesn't go up for one to three days after I "O".

Thanks for the good wishes ptcrn, jessied, and sneak.

Sneak, I hope you temps stay up. Happy Birthday! :D

MrsJackson, you are an emotional mess! :p I hope it means good things to come!

MrsR, I'm thinking positive thoughts for your DH's test results.

honeygirl, I'm not sure keeping my legs up helped since I laughed so hard when I was like that, I think I lost spermies! I stay lying down with a pillow under my butt for 30 minutes.

j*east, enjoy the BD fest!

polkadot, sorry no O was confirmed. I guess I hope AF comes for you soon then. On a positive note, totally awesome avatar!

Go jenjen! Wow, we have a lot of pregnant jen's on cc!

jessied, hope you O'd or will O soon.

Chris~n~Jen, yay for the EWCM! I hope it works for you.

QOTD: I'm tossing out all of my internet cheapie tests. It turns out they totally SUCK!

Oh, chariezangel, I hope you feel better about things soon.

Update on me:

I spoke with the Nurse Practitioner today and she said not to worry, that I should be fine starting the progesterone when I did. I have an appt with her to do an exam and ultrasound on June 27th - 15 days from now! It seems so far away. I'm trying not to get excited while I wait until my appt. We're supposed to be able to see the heart beating that day. I sooo hope it's there this time. I'm nervous because I don't have any symptoms besides sore BBs. I think I'll feel much better after I hear that everything is fine at my appt.

I would totally love to hang around here until I'm sure everything is okay at my appt. Let me know if that's okay.

I'm throwing, not tossing or lightly shaking, but throwing clumps of baby dust at you people!

Jen

[lilhimley]

Don't you go near MrsJackson AF!!! :mad: We want more BFPs! :D

[JayJay]

Don't you go near MrsJackson AF!!! :mad: We want more BFPs! :D


He he...thanks so much, lilhimley! I need all the support I can get right now! :D

[Sneak]

GO AWAY AF! There's enough of us here to fight ya! :)

[polkadot]

mrsjackson...your chart is lookign really good...the cramping could be implant...your temps are really high too...fingers crossed...

~~~~stay away AF vibes~~~~~~~

[mrs_pell]

OH my! I think I would have to quit my job to stay current on this thread (or get a job that allows me access to CC! :p )! This thread moves FAST! So, here's my attempt to cover everything...

First of all...HUGE congrats to jenjen!!! I'm so loving all these BFPs!! Second, you are a MUCH better woman than I am if you can seriously wait almost a WEEK to tell your hubby!!! I will be very, very impressed if you hold out that long! ;)

Jess71903 ~ Glad we were right about your O date! I was almost positive when I looked at your chart last night that you'd get those CHs today! Hopefully your trip will keep your mind off of testing!

cowgirl ~ Sorry ff took those CH away. Not that you want to hear it, but I agree with the others...it definitely doesn't look like you O'd yet.

j*east ~ Here's hoping for that you O soon!

MrsHill ~ Sorry for the BFN, but it's still pretty early! Keeping my fingers crossed for you! Your chart's still looking good! OH, and btw, I just now figured out your "tee-tee-cee chart." I always looked at it and for some reason though "tee hee" chart (like your "naughty" chart or something). I know...I'm juvinile! ;)

ChicagoKate ~ Haven't used a fertility monitor, although I've thought about it. Honestly, I keep thinking I'll just hold out a few more months until I start doing more than just charting. I haven't even used an OPK yet (though I think I may try those next month if this month doesn't end with a BFP).

jessied1025 ~ I would definitely think that all those things could cause a delayed O. Have you only charted one other month? I saw that your last month's O was on CD13. Mine has ranged from CD13 to CD16 (at least since I've been charting). Keep BDing!!

Chris~n~Jen ~ Happy BDing! Is it sad that even thinking about it (not thinking of YOU doing it, but just BD in general!) makes me tired and worn out?? :o Yeah for the EWCM!!!

Sneak ~ nice looking chart you have going there! I do agree with the others (FWIW) that it looks like your O date was more like CD 19 instead of 17. Looks like your timing would be fine either way, though. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you too! Gotta say...more power to ya with all those "x's" in the BD line!!! (oh...neverming...i was thinking that was am AND pm but that's "xx.")

Sarah051504 ~ I know nothing about PCOS, but hopefully you got your answers from the other girls! Good luck, and feel free to join or ask questions in here (so the other girls can answer better than me!! ;) ).

FlyGirl ~ You, sound like an idiot? I don't think so! I love all your knowledge...it definitely is a great help to all us "newbies."

MrsJackson ~ Yikes...that chart looks NICE! I think I'd be rushing to test earlier than the FF date, too! I'm definitely keeping my fingers crossed for you that AF will STAY AWAY!!

MrsR ~ Keeping my fingers crossed that your DHs test results come back good! Also, glad it wasn't too expensive, especially considering how expensive lab work can be these days!! Yeah for the temp rise! Your chart's looking good!

pride&prejudice ~ Yeah for the O!!

polka ~ Sorry for the "no O" news. Here's hoping AF shows up soon and you can start again with a fresh cycle. Keep hanging in there!!

lilhimley ~ Yeah for the good news from the NP!! Of course you can stay around! Keep throwing some more of that baby dust!!!

~~~~~~~

Nothing too exciting on my part...just waiting out the 2W(+2day)W. I'm 5dpo right now. I think I'm going to join the YMCA tomorrow and start swimming. I keep putting off losing this extra weight because "what's the point?" if I get pregnant? But, I really know that's a stupid mindset, so I'm just going to do it. I started my new "diet," though it's just more of cutting out the crap, and hopefully will get a new exercise program going soon. It's just so damn hard...especially when it's already 95 degrees out! Blah... Does anyone know if I do start a new workout program if that will affect my temps at all...at least in the beginning?

[honeygirl]

I am late to the thread today, but work was a LONG 12 hr day with minimal CC time! Like mrs_pell I can't keep up! Ladies thank you so much for answering my relatively silly BD/leg up question. ;) I'll try the pillow rather than legs up next cycle. At least I know I'm in good company with my bd antics.

Congratulations to jenjen, our latest BFP in a exciting long line! Happy and healthy 9 months to you!

CD17 and I had a huge temp drop this morning and my CM has been drying up (last 2 days). I'm guessing that I o'd today, which would be 2 days earlier than my earliest o (I'm a CD19-23 o'er). I wonder if taking progesterone during prior cycles somehow helps shorten/normalize my next cycle?

Anyway, if we did O today we're in good shape BD wise, much better than our last cycle. Hopefully I'll see a temp jump tomorrow or wednesday. :)

Have a great tuesday everyone, good luck to the am testers.

[JayJay]

CD 12. Too chicken to test. Imagine that.

My temp stayed about the same, but down a smidge. I don't know why, but I start thinking that AF is going to show the second my temp starts on the downhill slide. Someone please remind me that it's not over till she shows, and that there are plenty of charts out there that have major temp fluctuations. Please?! :o :p

Crampiness has gone away for the most part. I just have really bad gas. :o :o :o Boy, the joys of TTC.

[kanga1622]

Wow...one day at work where I'm too busy to check CC and I come back to a new thread and have no clue what anyone is talking about because I'm quickly skimming the thread before getting to work.

Congrats to all the new BFPs and good luck to everyone in the 2WW.

Busy week for me as I've got training and I'm going to be cleaning the office while my boss is on vacation (read: throwing away useless stuff). I should be fairly busy but hopefully a lot will get accomplished and then next week we are off on our baseball trip! :)

[Charting is Knowledge]

Updated to Here

Congrats jenjen Happy and Healthy 9 months.
I put you with the BFPS for june but did not remove your stats.

[jessied1025]

chicagokate & mrs pell I think you are right I probably didn't O yet. However, I did have a temp jump this morning (98.0) and we BD last night. I totally agree that only one of those factors would have an effect on when I O. My average O date is usually around CD13. Thank goodness things are feeling much better! ;)

Since it looks like I am going to O late, I wish I would have kept my appoiment with my OBGYN at the end of the month instead of moving it. I did however, put myself on the waiting list should there be any openings before then.

~~~~~~AF stay far away from here....we want more BFPs!!!! :)

[gymwidow]

Hi ladies. Disappointing news here - I'm spotting already. Only 2DPO. I'm sad, angry, everything. My RE wants me to come in tomorrow for b/w and an u/s and if we're not pregnant this month (which seems really unlikely), then he'll do a saline u/s next month. I'm not to start the progesterone today - he wants to see what my levels are without help and also check my estrogen to see if I need extra of that as well.

My DH is being just amazing. We just said goodbye a half hour ago and he's already called me to tell me how much he loves me and that he wishes it were him instead of me going through all this. He also offered to come and meet me for coffee or lunch or something today and asked if I wanted him to buy me a present. I'm so glad he's my partner in all of this.

Thanks for "listening." Now, bring on some more good news. I need to smile today!

[JayJay]

gymwidow,maybe it's the crazy emotions that I've been having lately, but your post just brought tears to my eyes. It sounds like you've got a really great hubby. I'm glad you have such a wonderful support system.

PS......take hime up on that present! Get something good! ;)

[Chris~n~Jen]

Quick Question: How long do leftovers take to come out? In other words, DH and I BD last night before dinner. ;) I used the toliet before going to bed and I when I wiped it was completely dry. Wiped clean again this morning. After finishing my breakfast of green tea and grapefruit I went to the bathroom. The toliet paper was covered in EWCM. I had to wipe four times just to feel like I was "clean" . Could that be leftovers from yesterday's BD or would you think I'm still having EWCM?


Fingers crossed for you MrsJackson!

[Janey]

MrsHill ~ Sorry for the BFN, but it's still pretty early! Keeping my fingers crossed for you! Your chart's still looking good! OH, and btw, I just now figured out your "tee-tee-cee chart." I always looked at it and for some reason though "tee hee" chart (like your "naughty" chart or something). I know...I'm juvinile! ;)
Juvenile... or hilarious?? You be the judge. That totally cracked me up so I'm going with hilarious.

I named it "Tee-tee-cee" because that's what I say. It used to be in my sig as TTA chart, and when I changed it to TTC I would think in my head, "I get to change it to tee-tee-cee now! How exciting!" So I stuck it in there as that. Also... I think it's sort of funny, and I was hoping to remind myself by seeing it that this process is supposed to be fun, and that I hope to not get bent out of shape by daily temperature fluctuations, little signs, missing signs, etc. I'm going to try to have fun.


gymwidow - I just said 'the process is supposed to be fun' ... but it isn't always, for certain. I can't tell you how sorry I am that you are on this roller coaster. Your DH, however, sounds like he's an absolute dream! I hope you decide to meet him for coffee. It'll be good to connect with him for a few moments during this frustrating day.

MrsJackson - Your chart looks awesome! That "Down" temperature you're talking about isn't even one tenth of a degree ... that's a normal daily fluctuation, not the first sign of AF, sister! So chin up! :)

MrsR - Your chart is lookin' great too! When will you test?


I have to say - even if I'm not pregnant, I have a really pretty chart this month. A nice clear ovulation, 4 consecutive days of EWCM, BD at the most opportune times (I suppose we could've BD'ed on CD19 'just in case' but eh), and now a nice pretty LP that is at least 11 days long. That chart looks freaking awesome for someone who was diagnosed with PCOS 3 years ago, and lost 80 lbs to try to solve the problem. Yay for me!

Trying to stay positive; can you tell?

[jessied1025]

gymwidow (((HUGS))) to you. I am so sorry you are going through all this. Your hubby sounds like such a wonderful person. I am glad you have a great partner that will be there for you through all of this. I agree with MrsJackson - take him up on the present!! :)

chris n jenn Usually my leftovers come out when I go to the bathroom after. Sometimes I will have some leftovers a couple hours later, but usually not much. It possibly could be EWCM...I guess I am not much help. Sorry!

[jodylovesscotty]

Ladies, I think I am ready to join this thread again. DH and I had a long talk and we do not want to wait to try again. From what I have been reading along with what my doctor friend (she is a ped.) there is no reason not start trying again because we had a natural miscarriage. She said the only reason they tell you to wait a month is to make sure you are emotionally ready. I think that DH and I are mentally Okay with it, we know that the m/c happened for a reason. I am just thankful it happened so early. I went out yesterday and bought some OPK's because from what I read you can ovulate after your miscarriage (the usual 14 or so days). So with that here are my stats:

Me: Jody, 32
DH: Scott, 32
Married since: August 30, 2003
Off BCP since: a long, long time ago
TTC since: January 2005
Charting since: January 2005
Known issues/test results: pregnant with clomid but had natural m/c on June 8th

Congratulations to all the recent BFP's:)

[JayJay]

okay, ladies...check out this overlay on a pregnancy chart (with mine being the green...) I found in the FF gallery! It's almost identical!

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/journal/revfScn6r.png

This woman apparently got her BFP on 11 DPO. I wish I weren't such a chicken!

[JayJay]

Welcome back, Jody!

I agree with you, MrsHill! YAY FOR YOU! :D

[Felicity]

I like to keep checking in on you ladies - hope you don't mind!!!

Congrats jenjen0713!!!

MrsJackson05 - As long as you have something other than an internet cheapie test, I'd say go for it! I tested positive at 11 DPO with a Fact Plus test. And, I will tell you, I had many cramps in my 2WW that felt a lot like I had gas, or was going to have diarrhea. I say test! ;)

Welcome back jodylovesscotty!! Good for you & your DH - you have a wonderful & inspiring attitude!

[JayJay]

All I have at home right now is an equate, an answer, and three internet cheapies. Should I go for it?! :D

[ptcrn]

MrsJackson, (starting up the chant) TEST, TEST, TEST...!!

[Janey]

Jody - I'm so glad to see you back here! :D

MrsJackson - I'd wait until tomorrow morning, both for morning pee and for one more day's temp. But I'm just scared of another BFN, so take that with a grain of salt!

[MrsR]

MrsHill -- I too am scared to get a BFN so I am going to try to hold out until Friday so that I will know if I am (if I get a BFP) before we see DH's family in Chicago this weekend. I am worried that my trigger shot is why I have so much CM.

*********
Well, my temperature we back down a bit again today (0.1 degree) but I am still pretty high as temps go for me . . . I have begun to see the dreaded light pink spots the size of pin heads when I wipe occasionally so I fear AF is on her way and we will be on to IUIs next month . . .

[tealynn]

Gymwidow, I am so sorry you're having such a tough time of it. I know I can't say anything to make you feel better, just know we're here for you.

ChrisnJen you kind of threw me for a loop. I really thought (for a brief moment) you were talking about food. I would say, most likely, it was EWCM.

Jody, good to have you back. I'm glad you're ready to try again.

Mrs.Jackson, if you can handle a possible BFN, then go for it! You know we're dying to know... but after seeing your chart overlayed on a PG chart, girl, it's hard to believe it would be anything but a bfp (lower case, means I'm whispering)

[honeygirl]

ChrisnJen - I usually "clean up leftovers" right after, a few hours after, and into the day after. I'm thinking that my DH must have lots of spermies. :) It probably takes 24 hrs for it to all expel. That's why it is tricky to accurately mark CM during my fertile phase!

MrsJackson - Wow, your chart does match that BFP one pretty closely! Good luck.

gymwidow - Sorry to hear about the spotting already, how frustrating! It is great that you have a supportive DH though! I'm not sure if you use ovusoft but they have a "spotting queen" support thread over there.

Well I had the big jump I was hoping for this morning, but ovusoft put a thumb over my temp. Does anyone know why? I don't know how to make the thumb go away. :(

[Janey]

MrsR - That sounds very wise. I am also holding out until Friday (my original test day).

ChrisNJen - I forgot to say this before. If it is Opaque, I count it as leftovers, or "Semen Obscured CM" as Ovusoft calls it. If it is Clear or mostly clear, I count it as EWCM. I have no idea if that's right, but that's what I do.

Tealynn - your 'leftovers = food' thought cracks me up. :D

Honeygirl - I bet if you have a second sustained high temp, Ovusoft will take the thumb away. My guess is that it's looking at your previous data and guessing that this is an odd high temp for you. With additional high temps, I bet it'll take the thumb away.


Okay. So I'm an overanalyzing data geek, as we've previously discussed. ;) Looking at my previous six cycles charting, 4 of them had descending temperatures on 11DPO, and 2 of them had flat temperatures on 11DPO (both of those two cycles subsequently plummeted on 13DPO). This is my only cycle so far where my temp has gone up on CD11. I'll say it again: Even if I'm not pregnant, I *heart* my chart. :D

[miaclear]

copied from SWH

Day 1 on all my potions and pills. So far so good. The Evening Primrose Oil is a gel pak but it is HUGE. yuck. I have to concentrate so hard to get it down. And to do this three times a day. Wowza. I just poured my first glass of green tea and put some lemon in it. Not too shabby. I think I can stomach one or two glasses a day. And I plan on having my grapefruit this evening as an after work snack. I'm on CD7 and am not starting my OPKs till CD11 so those are just hanging out for now. Man this is a lot of work. I think if this isn't my cycle I'll pick and choose my favorite weapons for next one, to do all of this at once is a bit much ;)

In other news I talked with my former boss at my part time job last night. I worked the desk at the City Rec Center. My goal is to quit my FT job after a baby and start working there again. The hours were perfect and would allow for no daycare needed. I'd work 2-3 days a week from 6pm to 10pm, and one day during the weekend from like 1-6 or 1-7. Plus since it's a city job there are very descent benefits even for the part timers. My exboss just had a little girl so she's all on the baby train and is very excited for me. In fact when she saw me she asked if I was there for the prenatal yoga. (sigh). Now I just need the baby part to make this equation work!

[MrsKinnison]

Holy smokes, this thread moves fast!!! I'm going to do my best here, but please forgive me if I miss anyone!

MrsHill, I have to agree that that is one damn fine looking chart :D

MrsJackson, If you can resist the urge to test you are a much stronger woman than I! Your chart looks amazing!!

gymwidow, I am so sorry that this has been so tough for you & it is absolutely not fair. BUT I am very happy to hear that you have such a wonderful husband!

miaclear, I don't know how you do it all! If it is based on effort, then you will definately get a BFP this month!!!

Chris~n~Jen, ROFLMAO! I totally thought you were talking about food leftovers too....boy am I a dork! I'm sorry I don't have any advice for you as I seem to always "eat" all of mine and not have any leftover :D

Jody, Welcome Back!

As for me, I just ordered some Preseed. I've never tried it, but since I don't ever have much CM I figured I should give it a shot. I paid more for shipping that the actual product so I can get it before DH and I leave to go camping on Friday morning. {WARNING TMI TO FOLLOW} We've always both thought camping sex was the best (must be something about being outdoors & all the fresh air) and since it will be right around O time it might be just what we need to get a bfp (and might as well throw in some preseed for an extra boost)!!! Its just us & the dogs going, so if nothing else if will be a wonderful mini family vacation ~ its been a long time since we've just done a family camping trip so we can't wait!!!

[charliezangel]

MrsJackson I'm on the edge of my seat. I actually ran to my mom's house on my lunch break to see if you tested, lol.

[JayJay]

MrsJackson I'm on the edge of my seat. I actually ran to my mom's house on my lunch break to see if you tested, lol.


HA! Well, I hope if I get a BFP, you sure as heck do!

As you can tell, I haven't tested yet. I'm still feeling a little crampy, and my lower back hurts.

How far is your mom's house from your workplace? I hope it wasn't too far!

[gymwidow]

Sarah, it's hard to tell from your chart w/o more early temps, but it doesn't look like you've O'd. When I had cycles that went that long (I also have PCOS), I called my doc and got a script for Provera to bring on AF. That being said, it is possible to still O this late in the game. It's up to you to decide how you want to proceed.

MrsR, fingers crossed for your DH's test results! I hope this isn't AF on its way for you and that you never get to try an IUI, but if you do, know that they aren't bad at all.

polkadot, I'm so sorry. I hope your time off the rest of the summer gets your body ready to work again!

jenjen0713, I'm so happy for you! So good to hear more good news in here.

mrs pell, that's how I was with the extra weight, especially since it keeps piling on (thank you so much, infertility drugs). Now I'm just trying to lose as much as I can before we get our BFP.

jody, welcome back. I hope we can graduate you again very soon!

Everyone, thanks for all the hugs and good wishes. Part of me is already resigned to the idea that I might never be able to have children. I keep thinking that if I'm bleeding every month so early, it means that my lining just won't hold and that that would mean an egg would never implant, etc., etc. I'm probably getting ahead of myself, but I guess I'm just trying to get used to the idea in case that's what turns up. I don't even know what to ask my doc when I see him tomorrow. I guess I'll just see what he says and go from there. In the meantime, I'm off to spend some QT with my mom, so that will help!

[polkadot]

Mrs.Jackson~ You better test girl..that cahrt is amazing...this has got to be it....

[j*east]

Wow. This was an insane day in this thread!

Just a few SO's...

gymwidow, I'm sorry you're spotting already. I hope you had a good time with your mom. I'm glad your DH is awesome...that makes it all a little easier and more worthwhile.

MrsHill, I'm glad you're proud of your pretty, pretty chart. :)

MrsJackson, I can understand your testing reluctance. Do what you feel is best. One month I got to 16DPO (or so I thought) and no AF, so I tested. As soon as I POAS (and I mean within 30 seconds), I realized that I was indeed getting my period. Ugh. That was bad. So if you feel like AF is coming, maybe you should wait a little....or maybe testing will make you feel better, whatever the result. Do what you feel is best.

Me...yesterday I had a low temp and EWCM. Today, I'm back to watery with a little rise in temp. Sometimes my EWCM skips a day and comes back, but it bothers me that it doesn't hang out longer. Ah well. We do have the preseed so I'll be using that on the non-EW but close to O days.

To everyone else, good luck and stay well! :)

[JayJay]

Well, I just went pee for the 5th time today. I hardly ever go that often. While I was in there, I checked my CM, and it's a little brown tinged. Which doesn't give me a good feeling.

The cramping and backache are still here, but not very severe..more like a very low, dull ache.

The 'spotting' (can I call it spotting, or wait to call it that until I can see it when I wipe?) is a dark brown, which I know means old blood, but anything that is that color coming out of me, usually doesn't not mean the ending I'm hoping for. Boo.

[jenjen0713]

MrsJackson - You sooooo need to test. I'm having dark brown spotting (totally normal...implantation spotting) and have lower backache and increased bathroom trips. All the symptoms are looking good! :D

[polkadot]

test already...ya killin me here!!!!

[tealynn]

I don't know we can take a BFN, Polka. I think we should wait for 1st moring urine.

HA! Your chart, has become our chart Mrs. Jackson. I think you should do what you feel comfortable with as J*east suggested.

But you better believe my a$$ is going to be here first thing in the morning to read what's up!

BTW, I'm doing a stay away AF dance for you right now as well as a dance to keep your temps up!

[Felicity]

MrsJackson05 - I had spotting around 9/10 DPO and often got AF around that time. Prior to my BFP I spotted at 9 DPO too. I also had that kind of low, dull ache - like a heavy feeling in your lower abdomen. If I were you, as long as your temp is still up, I would test! Wait until tomorrow morning if you're worried, but definitely test!

[JayJay]

HA! Your chart, has become our chart Mrs. Jackson.

I love it! Isn't that what being in a group like this is all about?! I wouldn't have it any other way!

I'm thinking that I'm going to wait and test in the morning. IF my temp stays up. If it starts falling darastically, I'm not testing. I know, I know, I'm a bummer.

[SweetRed]

First, I cannot believe I have the guts to post in this thread... :o

Second, we're in the "what happens happens" camp right now, not actively TTC. I came off BCP in March, had one really long cycle where I clearly O'd with pretty high temps and am now wondering whether or not I've O'd in Cycle 2:

My Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/128004)

Do you think I O'd? Are those temps high enough to count as a shift? The discarded temps earlier in the month were super hot nights where I had very disrupted sleep. If I do discard them, I think I did O.

Why am I so concerned? Well, #1, I had very iffy cycles pre-BCP and am concerned about actually O-ing. And #2, I've had these very low, dull "cramps" for the past 7 days that I have never felt before. I'd like to know if I'm in the 2WW or not!

Baby Dust to all!

(P.S. MrsJackson05 that is one HOT chart!)

[ChicagoKate]

MrsJackson ~ I wouldn't stress about the brown CF. You're still in until AF shows. Just wondering. . . what time will you post tomorrow (so that I can be completely stalkerish . . LOTS AND LOTS of dust for you!!!!!!!!!

Sweetred ~ I am not sure if I'd call O yet for you this cycle. Have you asked a FF guide what she thinks is going on with your cycle? I just don't see enough of a shift for there to be a definite O. Plus you had fertile CM after your supposed O date. I'm going with no O on this one, Sorry!

[Janey]

SweetRed - My running buddy! Glad to see you here. No guts required -- come on in! :)

As for your chart ... I can't tell. :/ I see that you had two outlying temps on CDs 15 & 17. If you count those as 'real' temps, I'd think your cycle looks annov... or at least no O yet. If you don't count them, it looks like you may have ovulated? If you did ovulate... I think FF has called it correctly. The second patch of Watery CM confuses me, however. I'm not ready to say you've Ovulated for sure.

ETA - MrsJackson - We are ALL rooting for you! Can't wait to find out what happens tomorrow AM!!

[SweetRed]

Well, I am not the world's best judge on what qualifies as CM; those are "guesses". Silly (and kind of stupid), I know.

As far as the outlying temps, if you were sweltering hot while sleeping and up and down several times that night, would you count them? I tend to think not, but I'm new so that's why I ask. :) This gives me plenty of ammo for us to turn on the A/C when then next heat wave hits! I didn't O until CD39 last time, so who knows?

Thanks for chiming in! :D

MrsHill... From one challenge to the next!!!!

[polkadot]

MrsJackson~ i am so sorry i am pressuring you...but i gotta live through somebody and I like to pick the people with the best charts..;)

I totally understand waiting until tomorrow...fingers crossed for ya...

[miaclear]

MrsJackson...I'm praying for high temps for you tomorrow!!!

I just finished my grapefruit after work snack. Man I do like me a grapefruit. I just find it such a pain to eat fruit cause I buy it and blink...and it's gone bad.

I had sent my mom an email about my ex boss and her comments about me coming back to work there after we have kids. My mom doesn't know that we're TTC. She wrote that it been awhile since I had talked about kids and it's nice to know that we still want them. I replied that I go to the bathroom every day also but don't talk about that either ;) I like to keep her guessing.

[JayJay]

Polkadot-No worries! I'm not an easily persuaded girl! I'm pretty stubborn when it comes to my own thinking. I understand about the living through others charts....I think I've become obsessed! :D

j*east, thanks so much for the kind, understanding words. I've tested the same day that AF has shown. That does suck.

jenjen, did you have the brown spotting before you got your BFP, or after?

Felicity, was your spotting more red, or darker brown? I'm still not sure if I can call what I found spotting, because I had to be checking internally to get any brown CM.

SweetRed, thanks! A girl always loves to hear her chart is lookin' good!

ChicagoKate, I get up at about 7, but won't post until probably 8:30 or so, when I get to work. (Which will be about 6:30 CC time.)

Thanks, MrsHill!! I'm rooting for you too! I hope that your temp keeps going up!

MiaClear, thanks! It's nice to know you guys are here for me, even when things might not go as well as hoped. I'm not a grapefruit girl, I envy your dedication to that stuff! :D

[jenjen0713]

MrsJackson - I had a little bit yesterday and today which is not normal for me (My period was supposed to start tomorrow). In my first pregnancy, I had it about 2-3 days before I got my BFP and before I was expecting AF.

[charliezangel]

HA! Well, I hope if I get a BFP, you sure as heck do!

As you can tell, I haven't tested yet. I'm still feeling a little crampy, and my lower back hurts.

How far is your mom's house from your workplace? I hope it wasn't too far!

LOL, she doesn't live far. About 2 minutes, really. And I was planning to go there for lunch anyway. But I decided to go a little early so i could use her computer to check.... :)

[JayJay]

Well, ladies. Here I sit looking at 2.....yes, two BFN's. I'm actually pretty suprised, this sucks.

I used an Answer, and an Equate. They're pretty accurate, right?

[charliezangel]

Those are 2 of the most sensative HPTs. Don't lose hope yet. When is AF due to arrive?? Did you see more of that brown "spotting" this morning??? FWIW, I took an equate this morning and got a BFN too. I'm officially late, but it could come today. I'd wait until AF is late to take another one.

[kris97]

Oh, I'm so sorry Mrs. Jackson. I will still keep my fingers crossed for you!

[Charting is Knowledge]

Updated to Here
Welcome back Jody

[kanga1622]

So sorry to hear about the BFNs. Let's hope you are simple a tester that gets BFPs a little later. I'm hoping for good news when I get a chance to peek in here tomorrow!

[ChicagoKate]

Mrs.Jackson ~ I am so sorry (and surprised) to hear about the BFNs. I would say, don't lose hope. I still think you might have O'd on CD27 and not CD25 as FF says, so then you'd only be 11DPO, which is early to test. Plus, I know someone who got a BFN on 13DPO and got a BFP 15DPO. So--hang in there for a couple more days. Your temp still looks GREAT!

[cowgirl]

Jody:Welcome back.
gymwidow:I am sorry you are going through this again.
Mrs.Jackson:Sorry about the BFN. Don't lose hope yet the spotting could have been implant and maybe it was to early for a BFP.


Well I am confused has heck. FF gave me cross hairs back yesterday temp was down again today. I think we maybe moving on to testing soon since most of my charts don't show O.

In Happier news it is my 3 year anniversary today. (was hoping for a big surprise. :(

[JayJay]

Thanks a bunch ladies. I'm feeling pretty down about it. I figured the tests I used would pick up something. My temp did dive a little today, but not that much. Usually, it takes a big nose dive. Much bigger than it has so far this month.

DH has a pretty good attitude about the negative. When he was just leaving, he said: "Keep your chin up, honey. It's not over yet." He about made me cry!

As for the 'spotting', I have yet to see any on the tp when I wipe. It's only when I'm checking internally for CM. My emotions are way whacked out right now, I really thought this was it.

[Felicity]

I'm so sorry MrsJackson05!!! *Hugs* I'm really surprised you got a BFN too. I feel like we probably egged you on here too - sorry if we worked to get your hopes up.

To answer your question - my spotting at 9 DPO was mostly brown. I had a little more around 10 DPO, but it easied up by the end of that day. Also, don't worry too much about a small downturn in tempurature. I've continued to take my temp since I got my BFP - seeing it remain high makes me feel a bit calmer until my first Dr. appointment.
In case you're curious:
http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/db809

Don't get too down until AF shows! You never know - everyone is different in terms of when a test would pick up the HCG. Good luck!

[tealynn]

Mrs. Jackson, I'm sorry!!!! I hope we didn't make you test sooner than you would have. There's still no reason to lose hope just yet, I know, easier said than done.

Mrs. R, I'm wondering when you'll be testing? Looks like you have nice temp increase this morning!!!

Pocohontas, you've got to check back in soon and let us know if my dream about your BFP means I've got some real intuition, then I'll quit my job and become a palm reader :D

Mrs. Hill, I noticed you haven't update your chart yet, just wondering how your temps are this morning?

Cowgirl, Happy Anniversary!!! Sorry your chart isn't as clear cut as you'd like it to be. It's hard to tell but I think there's not a real temp shift as well to show that you O'ed.

Nothing new to report with me! I forgot to temp this morning (alarm didn't go off so I literally jumped out of bed) so I have no idea what's up w/ my cycle, but I'm typically a pretty patient person so I'll just try to stay :cool: until I figure out what's up.

[MrsR]

tealynn -- I think the temp jump was due to the three glasses of wine I had last night at a work function so I am going to wait and see what tomorrow's temp brings.

I also have some cramps today so I think AF is on her way . . .

[MrsKinnison]

Sorry about the BFN's ladies, I know how crappy it feels, but it's not over till it's over right!?!

[Sneak]

Sorry for the BFN's - it really can ruin a day seeing that (or actually seeing nothing). Stinks the best time to test is first thing am. Keep your chin up - maybe tomorrow or in a few days! :) And sorry for those who have AF knocking on their door - or pounding!

As for me, still a million 'symptoms' - whether they are or not. Temps dropped today and yesterday (though don't think I can really count Tuesday's since I only had 2 hours of sleep - no exaggeration! from Mon-Tues). Not sure what the drop means - if anything. Any ideas?

[fsb2005]

Still lurking around here while I wait until I feel comfortable joining the Feb. mommies thread.

MrsJackson Sorry about the BFN. Your symptoms were sounding really good. But, you never know -- AF's not here yet!

MrsR - your temps are looking great! I made all kinds of excuses to avoid believing my temps too (jet lag, waking up too early, etc.), but in hindsight I think they were right. Although of course every person is different, I don't think temps vary wildly over every little thing we do. I hope tomorrow's temp is still high!

[polkadot]

mrsjackson~ i am so sorry about the BFN's and especially since i was pressuring you to test. Maybe its just to early. Your hubby is great and he's right...its not over till its over...

[Janey]

MrsJackson - I'm sorry about the BFN, but I'm still thinking your coverline is in the wrong spot, which would give you a different O date. Just for grins, turn the FF Monitor thing onto FAM and see if it changes your O-date? Your temps are still way above either coverline, so I'm going to side with your hubby on this one. :)

Tealynn - Chart is now updated. Thanks for checkin' on me ... this west coast girl does not wake up until 10AM eastern. ;)


12DPO, and my temp is still 98.4. However ... I wrote a big 'book' about this in the Maybe Mama's Thread (http://www.constantchatter.com/showpost.php?p=795551&postcount=1073) which I will spare all of you from unless you want to click the link there. Nutshell version: I'm wondering now how many of these recent temps are real, since I have been mildly sick since Saturday. Monday night & last night I have had slight fevers of 99.0. We'll know by Friday either way!

[JayJay]

MrsHill, I changed the setting on my chart, and nothing. I even changed it to research. Nothing there either.

When I changed it to the OPK one, it moved my O date to the 24th. With that setting, I am at 14 DPO.

I'm still hungry as ever, and flushed in the face. I just wish I knew either way. Boo for this TTC month. ;)

What do you suggest that I put my coverline at?

ETA: Since I woke up eariler this morning (about 45 minutes) should I adjust my temp? When I do, it's at 98.53...which isn't much differnt from 98.41, but I still like it more....or should I just not worry about it, since it's so late in my cycle?

[jessied1025]

mrs jackson Sorry to hear about the BFNs. (((HUGS))) Hang in there, she hasn't show yet!!!

Still waiting to determine if I O'd or not yet. I had a temp rise yesterday and some watery CM, but this morning my temp fell a bit. Either way I told DH that we will have to do some BD toinght, just in case. ;)

[gymwidow]

Pretty good news here = my u/s showed a perfectly normal luteal phase lining! :D The RE expects my b/w will come back fine as well. He's checking all my hormone levels, including HCG to make sure I gave myself the trigger shot properly on Friday and didn't get a defective dose. I'm starting the progesterone today just in case and will do a test in about 10 days assuming AF doesn't show.

As for the spotting, he said I have him "scratching his head." He said it's most likely caused by a very sensitive cervix, which I already knew I had. I have to keep reminding myself that I have *always* spotted, for years now. And none of my doctors have ever been concerned about it. So I guess I have to keep on having faith that they know what they're talking about. The doc said we still have a chance this month, so I'm here at 3DPO waiting. My anniversary is next week and it will be very tempting to test a little early, but I'm going to try to hold off!

If we're not pregnant this month, we'll probably do a saline u/s next month, just to check. I will probably start IVF prep testing then, too. I don't know if he'll let us do another IUI cycle or if would just be best to move on. I'm not going to worry about that now and will think about it if/when we need to.

Off to gather some baby dust.....

j*east, it looks like you're covering your bases. I hope you catch that egg!

Mrs Jackson, ugh. Hang in there! I also think you might have O'd 2 days later, so hopefully you'll still get good news in a couple of days! BTW, I also woke up 45 min. early this morning and I did adjust my temp accordingly.

SweetRed, I think it looks like you might've O'd. It's hard to tell sometimes (which really sucks). Sometimes it takes a few months after BCP to really see a pattern. I'm sorry I'm not more help!

miaclear, lol! When people IRL ask us if we're planning to have a baby, we just tell them we're practicing real hard. ;)

cowgirl, thanks. FF is really messing with you this month, huh? Sending you hugs and some good testing vibes! Have a great anniversary. Are you and DH doing anything special?

[Janey]

MrsJackson - If I was to draw a coverline on a paper chart for you, I'd draw it at 97.8. I don't know if that'll do anything as far as FF is concerned; you're still above the coverline for those first two temps. But it just seems weird to me that FF would ignore so many of your pre-o temps in drawing the CL. :confused: As for adjusting your temp ... yes; I'd adjust it. Why not... it certainly can't hurt! FWIW, I have Ovusoft set to auto-adjust mine.


ETA - Gymwidow, Good news about your lining! I am certainly keeping my fingers crossed for you! I hope your Dr. is right about the spotting being from your cervix.

SweetRed: I forgot to say -- I LOVE this attitude: MrsHill... From one challenge to the next!!!! You go, sister! :D

[flygirl]

MrsJ, I'm sorry for the BFNs :(. To answer your question about your chart: DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT!!!!! :p. Seriously, at this point (or any point, for that matter), changing your chart will not change what's happening in your body. This said by one who did (& still does) the exact same thing as you're doing, so I'm a complete hypocrite. I know how difficult it is at this point because you're searching for any knowledge that may give you answer, but you simply won't find anything definitive. Can you step away from your chart for the rest of the day? Close your eyes and imagine taking those thoughts away from your brain & leaving them outside of your body. Keep your eyes closed for a good 5 minutes as you let your mind dance around unrelated subjects until it settles on something that's going to keep you occupied for awhile.

All that said, aside from any pg thoughts, your question is about changing temps because of waking early. A very general rule of thumb is that your temp gets .05-.1 deg warmer each half hour. But guess what? That's one of the vaguest rules out there. My temp has done everything from go *down* as it gets later to go up by a an entire degree after 2 hours of solid sleep. You're better off not messing with your temps, especially if it's within an hour on either side. OS has a modifiable temp adjuster (I have it set to .05/half hour) and my charts still look the same at the important part: detecting O. And that's really the *only* time you should be concerned about what your temp is (unless one is looking for an LP defect, which you aren't).

[flygirl]

Gym, that's great news!!!

[jodylovesscotty]

gymwidow~ That is great news! Thinking positive thoughts for you this cycle!

MrsJackson I know how bumed you must feel after the BFN when everything looks so good. I had that happen to me many months before so I understand. I hope that positive things happen for you soon.

As for me I rescheduled my appointment with my RE. I had cancelled it when I got pregnant. Even though I was able to get pregnant with clomid I still have so many questions. My doctor (obgyn) didn't do any bloodwork, didn't do any precautionary things, and then wouldn't do bloodwork to check progesterone so I felt like I am just there taking drugs with no real diagnosis or anyone monitoring me. The RE's office agreed with me, so we will go in on the 26th. Maybe he will also make DH feel more comfortable with the idea of Clomid (since he is really uncomfortable about it).

[MrsKinnison]

Thats great news gymwidow!!!

[Sunshine]

CC Name: Sunshine
Me: Tamara/26
DH: Dell/30(this Friday)
Married since: August 27, 2005
Off BCP since: May 6, 2006
TTC since: May 6, 2006
Charting since: May 9, 2006
Known issues/test results: N/A
Chart: link (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/13cf5c) (I'm just charting, not temping yet.....
Current status: waiting to O (Should be this Fri/Sat)

I look forward to joining into this thread! THANK YOU:D

[MrsKinnison]

Welcome Sunshine!!!

[ABirney]

Hi ladies! Haven't been online for a couple days so not going to attempt s/o's except:
Congrats jenjen!
and Welcome sunshine!

Well I had my follow-up appt today. The dr was happy that I O'd and got AF on my own after starting the meds and also that I lost 11# since my last visit. He said my bloodwork came back that I definitely have insulin resistance and that's probably why I wasn't O'ing. (He didn't give me exact numbers on my b/w and I didn't ask at that time, but I did email him later today and asked him to send me the values just for curiousity sake.) He did say if I hadn't started on the meds and watching my diet/exercise I'd have a 80-90% chance of developing diabetes. Yikes! I asked him if we were supposed to be strictly TTA for a couple months until I lose some more wt, and he said, no, to keep trying and just work on the wt at the same time. In fact, he wants me to start using OPK's (he doesn't trust charting to predict O) but I think I'll just stick to the charts for another couple cycles before starting the OPK's. I did buy some grapefruit and green tea today too... see if I notice a difference!

[Sneak]

Welcome Sunshine! This is one great, knowledgeable group! You will learn so much.

i have a quick, possibly TMI question. How do you know if it is "implantation spotting"? i'm on 9 or 11 dpo and had a big temp drop this am. When I came home from work I had a wonderful bday present waiting for me - some spotting. (very light brownish and only a tiny bit in underwear) Now I'm worried. normally AF isn't for another 5 days or so could she just be coming for an early and unappreciated visit or could this be something better? I guess only time will tell...but any opinons would be wonderful...I feel pretty crampy today - normally only get that the day of AF arrival. TIA

[MrsR]

sneak -- i think you can only tell if it is implantation spotting in hindsight -- but it sure sounds like it might be:)

As for me, quietly saying that so far no spotting today - my last 4 cycles I started spotting on 12 DPO so we shall see . . .fingers crossed ladies!!!!

[j*east]

Well...now I have more than 5 minutes to read this thread.

MrsR, that sounds like a good sign!

ABirney, congrats on the weight loss and good dr. visit! It seems like several drs. aren't big into charting, based on what I've seen here. I wonder why?

Welcome, sunshine! I hope your stay is happy and (re)productive!

Jody, I hope your RE visit goes well. That sounds like a good idea to be monitored and have support.

flygirl, I agree with your temp thoughts. Mine seems to get lower when I sleep longer. So far I'm not sweating it.

gymwidow, yay for good news! Go luteal lining, go! And thanks...we're definitely trying to cover all bases. ;)

jessied, good luck BDing!

MrsJackson, grrrrrr. No fun getting BFN's. Your chart still looks great though. Hang in there. Oh, and I don't adjust temps yet...maybe I will when I see a clear pattern.

MrsHill, your chart still looks pretty. I'm crossing my fingers. We'll see...oh, and I hope you feel better.

fsb, hang out all you like. It's nice to have a PG lady to consult with. :)

Sneak, I have no clue about your temp drops, but they don't look too big, so let's hope they don't mean anything bad. I'm thinking good thoughts for you. I think a little light brown spotting is OK, too.

cowgirl, happy anniversary! I hope it's a good one and you get to celebrate. :)

charliezangel, I'm sorry about the BFN. I hope you have better news soon.

miaclear, your bathroom analogy is funny. :)

SweetRed, I'm not sure you O'd, but I'm not sure you didn't. I haven't made it through even a month of charting yet, though, so I'm no expert. :)

Whoever posted about Dollar Tree HPT's...thanks! I checked them out today but didn't buy any yet. Everyone keeps talking about dollar HPT's but I didn't know which chain actually had them.

Me...day 4 or 5 of BD today. I'm beginning to think it's baby duty, not baby dance. I'm sure you can relate! I'll be glad to move into the 2WW. Wait, did I actually just type that?

[Janey]

Sunshine - Welcome!

ABirney - CONGRATS on the weight loss! That is awesome! I swear, from everything you wrote, I was exactly where you were. PCOS, Insulin Resistance soon to be Diabetes, etc.

Sneak - I still think you O'ed on CD 19, which would put you at 9 DPO. Way too early for AF ... Fingers crossed that what you're seeing is an implantation dip & spotting! :D

J*east - Thanks for the get well wishes. I do feel better this afternoon finally. If the temp stays up tomorrow, I will believe it. I think your looking forward to 2ww thing is one of those 'grass is greener' type things. ;)


When I spoke to her this afternoon, my mother suggested that perhaps it was The Baby that was making me sick. :rolleyes: I said, "Mom, I'm pretty sure The Baby isn't giving me post-nasal drip." The funny thing is that she has been playing it so cool :cool: this whole time -- baby, no baby, whatever! -- but now that we're down to the wire she calls me and says, "So how's your temperature??" ... not that she'd understand the answer if I told her. She's hilarious.

[Sneak]

mrsr - all crossables are crossed - need some more BFP's around here

j*east - i hate that bd' seems to become a bit of a "chore" or only done to make baby too and then can't wait for the next 2 weeks to be done to see if it "worked". Sometimes I wonder that if we just bd'd for FUN, things might happen on their own... DH sure doesn't mind though when it comes time to BD like crazy - not one complaint there - typical!

mrshill - aren't mom's crazy! Once mine found out we were trying again she said now she had to make another quilt - its not like I'd need it for at least another 9 months!

mrsr, j*east, mrshill - thanks for responses. I'm kinda freaking out right now and am emotionally all over the place - expecting the worst although could be good. Why in the world am I trying not to cry! Stupid emotions. I think it is time to go eat cake - maybe that'll make me feel better. Thanks for the pep talks. I know this is nothing compared to other issues out there - I need to have some of the positive attitudes that the rest of you do.

[Sunshine]

Thank you for the Welcome MrsKinnison, ABirney, Sneak, j*east, and MrsHill!

ABirney~Great news that you dont have to TTA! A coworker just found out pretty well the same thing you did, but they never really told him what not or what to do.....I thought that was so strange, but urged his GF to look up info online just in case.

Sneak~Good Luck! I hope it is implantation spotting:)

MrsR~Oh, Sounds like this could be it! Good Luck!

j*east~LOL! I Know exactly what you mean! And we are starting the first day of at least 4 in a row today:p

MrsHill~LOL, that is so sweet! My MIL and Dad are getting crazier as the days go by. My Dad asks me everyday if I am pregnant now, and cant HELP but tell me I look like my mother does when she was pregnant with me.......and MIL always emails me with these weird dreams she is having of us and children. Last one she saw us with 2 redheaded twins....
Oh well, at least we know they want grandchildren;)

[ABirney]

I'll try to stay a bit more caught up on s/o's (until I leave to petsit again Friday! :rolleyes: )
sneak hopefully it's implant spotting... will just have to wait and see!
MrsR nice chart! And yay for no spotting yet!
MrsHill that's cute what your mom said about being sick and your temps.
sunshine maybe your MIL's dream will come true soon!
Thanks to everyone for your congrats on my wt loss. Hopefully it will help regulate my cycles soon!

[Sneak]

Hey sunshine - I just realized you are in Alberta - I'm in Manitoba! nice to see an almost neighbour on here. :)

[pocahontas]

Pocohontas, you've got to check back in soon and let us know if my dream about your BFP means I've got some real intuition, then I'll quit my job and become a palm reader :D
:D too funny...well don't quit your day job yet 'cuz my chart looks just like it does every other month. I haven't gotten back up over 98.1 since 4-5 days ago when I made it up to 98.3. But if this was my cycle I'm sure I'd have some nice temp jump to 98.4 or higher by now (at 11 DPO). I'm soooo NOT testing 'cuz I am NOT convinced AF won't be here within' 48 hours (although oddly enough I haven't had my usual pre-AF headache). :rolleyes: I have an RE appt tomorrow at least that I can be excited about since we will be discussing Clomid.

[ABirney]

I was bored and just looking at some charts.... and I spy a MBFP! (it's from someone who hasn't posted in a while, so if you still read this thread, congrats!)

[pocahontas]

I was bored and just looking at some charts.... and I spy a MBFP! (it's from someone who hasn't posted in a while, so if you still read this thread, congrats!)
It is rare I catch one of these, but I SEE IT TOO! So how many does this make for this thread? Are we closing threads after 3 BFPs or is it back to 5?

[honeygirl]

I found the MBFP too! Congrats, hope she comes by to drop some babydust off. :)

[flygirl]

Congrats, MFBP!!!

Welcome Sunshine :).

[polkadot]

I see it too...Congrats!!!! :D :D

[risa00]

Newbie here.. This thread took off like crazy since the day it started. Here are my stats:

CC Name: Risa00
Me: Lisa/28
DH: Sean/35
Married since: 2003
Off BCP since: 2/06
TTC since: 6/06
Charting since: 6/06
Known issues/test results:
Chart:
Current status: waiting to O

I just started charting 2 days ago so I'm curious to see how it will turn out. I'm not a fan of the thermometer beeping loudly in my ear in the morning. :)

[Sneak]

Welcome risa00!

Well, I'm out for this month - AF showed this am so I guess it wasn't implant spotting after all. I guess I shouldnt' be, but I'm terribly disappointed. Try again next month.

One question though - I changed my O date to CD19 as all of you thought it should be (and I agree) - but that makes my leutal phase only 9 days - doesn't that have to be at least 14 to become pregnant? I'm quite confused. And to top it off, last cycle was 37 days, now this one is 29 - all over the board. Is there anyway to regulate the length of cycle?

[JayJay]

Awww, Sneak. You and I are in the same boat. My temp dropped majorly this morning. I feel like AF could be here any moment, but she hasn't shown yet.

Sorry AF showed, she's an old b*tch. ;) :D

Welcome Sunshine and risa00! As always, we hope your stays are short and sweet. :D

[Sneak]

Sorry MrsJackson - maybe she won't show (can always hope right?!). When I saw how much my temp dropped this am too I just wanted to cry - I just KNEW - then the cramping feelings kicked in.

[Jess71903]

I really need to get going, but...
Congrats to the MBFP

So sorry AF found you Sneak, and I am sorry for the temp drop Mrs. Jackson!

Welcome to the Dark Side, Sunshine! I see you were alread over here before I suggested it in SWH! Duh!

me-We are leaving today for Memphis and staying with my parents, then flying out in the morning for a week in the Virgin Islands! I hope there is some good news to give when I get back! 14DPO is the last day of our trip and I have packed just one HPT! I also hope to come back to some great news from yall!
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[JayJay]

It just down right sucks doesn't it?! I honestly thought this was it for us, but now I'm guessing not. :( But, the upside it that there is always next month, right?

I tried talking to my mom about it yesterday. She was the sort of person that didn't have to try very long to get pregnant. She just kept telling me to "Be patient, good things come to those who wait." And "It'll happen, just relax, or Why don't you try some of those Ovulation test things?"

She seriously has no idea how hard we've been trying, and I wanted to reach through the computer screen and slap her. :o

Is it bad when you want to slap your own mom?!

[JayJay]

Congrats, MBFP! I finally spotted one, without any clues or hints from the other ladies! YAY for you, and me! :D :o

[MrsR]

Well I got a temp drop and a BFN this am so I am betting AF is on her way -- she needs to get here today so I can go in and have my bloodwork done before I leave for Chicago tomorrow.

I am off to find the MBFP . . .

[Sneak]

MrsJackson - no its not bad to want to slap your mom-happens to all of us. :) I'm sure our kids will be saying the same thing one day. We were sure it was our month too - we'll be in this next month together!

DH and I were saying this morning that it sucks that so many people can get pregnant and not even WANT the pregnancies and ones that want it can't have it. I know I shouldn't complain since we have a wonderful 1 year old DD, but it doesn't take away the desire for another. Our first only took 2 months to conceive - definately not the case this time! I always thought people got pregnant easily - my eyes have definately been opened the past while from both personal experience and from the experience of many friends IRL and online.

[Sneak]

MrsR - sorry for the temp drop. AF SUCKS!

[fsb2005]

MrsR so sorry about the temp drop. :( I was just looking at your chart this morning and thinking how good it looked...I hope at least AF gets here in time for your bloodwork.

[Janey]

I found the MBFP! Congrats to you!

MrsJackson05, Sneak, & MrsR - I'm sorry for your temp drops & spotting. MrsJackson, I really thought this was it for you too.

Sneak - Your LP needs to be At least 10 days to sustain a pregnancy. This 9 day luteal phase may be a fluke? but if it happens again, that warrants a visit to the doctor to see if they want to put you on Progesterone. Bring your charts with you.

Jess71903 - Have FUN on your vacation! Virgin Islands - holy smoly! Take lots of pictures to show us upon your return.

risa00 - Welcome! It bothered me too, at first, to have a beeping thermometer. Now I can practically sleep through it. ;)


So... I'm 13 DPO and my temp went up this morning. I took it at 6:00 because that's when I happened to wake up (after having dreams about taking my temperature a million times :rolleyes: ). It was 98.5. I didn't have a fever last night, though I still have a sore throat. When I stuck it into Ovusoft, it wanted to adjust it upward .2, making it 98.7. I overrode that and stuck it in as 98.5.

Only two cycles out of my previous six have even had a day 13, and the two that have, are days the temperature has dropped way low and I've started spotting. Never have I had a temperature that has gone up on day 13.

B & I had a big "do we test today?" discussion in the bathroom this morning. We agreed that we wait until tomorrow, as was originally planned. A while back, I signed up for a Thai Cooking Class, and it's today. I'm really glad it's today, otherwise I'd be going stir-crazy.

[honeygirl]

MrsHill I'm hoping this is it for you! Fingers crossed and all that. When are you testing again?

MrsJackson - Sorry to hear about the temp drop! :(

My temp is still up although a bit lower than yesterday, probably b/c I'm up early this morning! Threadmistress please move me to "I think I o'd", I'm not sure when I'll be testing. So it does look like I o'd 2 days earlier (than my shortest cycle), now I'll probably have to re-schedule my endo bioposy. I'm not exactly looking forward to the bioposy and am hoping that I get pregnant instead!

Have a great day ladies!

[j*east]

Oh my gosh, MrsHill, your chart looks beautiful! :)

Sneak, MrsR, and MrsJackson, sorry about the AF and temps. :( I know there's nothing really good to say, but we're here for you.

MBFP, there are so many charts on the first page...how did you find it?

Threadmistress, could you please add my chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/132a93) to the first page? Thank you!

Jess,have a great vacation! I hope you bring back some good news after your record-breaking BD fest! :)

Risa, welcome! Ah, the melodious sounds of the BBT.

Me--temp went up .5 today so I think our BD time is over for now. It's not really a chore, exactly, but I know that if I truly just waited for when I felt like it, I might get PG this month...or in 3 years. I'm not sure if .5 is a significant hike, though. Can anyone give me some input? I'm also checking TCOYF. Should I wait for another jump tomorrow?

Hope everyone is doing well!

[tealynn]

Mrs. Hill, I'm so excited for you! This really seems like it could be it! Especially w/ your temp rise today. And thank goodness you have a distraction this evening w/ your Thai cooking class.

Mrs. Jackson, I'm so bummed for you. I really thought this would be your month. Of course, that being said, it's still not over.

Sneak, sorry about AF! Your chart seemed very promising, but that's what makes TTCing such a challenge.

Pocohontas, yeah, I probably won't quit my day job just yet but it's still not over for you, my ESPN :D might not be wrong yet!

Mrs. R your temps are still high. I'm still keeping my fingers crossed for you!

Jess, have a great time in the islands, mon! We actually chartered a sailboat and island hopped so we got to hit the USVI and the BVI. I'm sure you'll have an awesome trip and come back to give us some good
news!

Sunshine and Risa,welcome to the thread that never slows down!

My mom actually got PG w/ me quickly when she was 19, and then had to TTC w/ my sister for quite some time. But it was funny when we were discussing the fact that I was temping and charting, she was like, don't you remember when I was doing that? I'm like, uh, I was 7, I wasn't really all that aware of your birth control measures.

Mom's are just silly sometimes.:)

[tealynn]

J*east, I'm definitely not the chart expert (I'm sure they'll be along shortly) but it doesn't appear that you've ovulated. Your temps started really high and haven't gone above since and based on your CM, it looks like you might still be fertile. I'd be interested to find out how your CM is throughout the day and into tomorrow. And, that being said, I'd keep BDing until you have more info.

[Charting is Knowledge]

Updated to here.

Welcome Sunshine & risa00!

Reminder: please post all updates in red.

In doing a little chart stalking this morning (congrats MBFP!) I noticed that there are a number of us who are in the wrong section. Would you ladies mind if we threadmistresses moved you to the proper section when we notice this sort of thing, or would you rather we wait to move you until you specifically request it?

[pocahontas]

Well I got a temp drop and a BFN this am so I am betting AF is on her way -- she needs to get here today so I can go in and have my bloodwork done before I leave for Chicago tomorrow.

I am off to find the MBFP . . .
Okay, so that's me and you, Sneak, and my wedding month twin MrsJackson who sound like we could ALL use a DRINK right about now! :cool: Ditto here...temp drop and cramping at 12DPO and 13 has been my longest. So we know what is right around the corner. :rolleyes: (I'll give the hag 24 hours before she rears her head.) So glad I didn't bother to waste a test. Guess we are all pretty much cycle twins (or quads in this case). ;)

[JayJay]

Threadmistress: I vote that you guys change it if you notice something's off. Personally, sometimes I forget that I need to 'say' that to get moved to the right section.

Just my two cents.

Pocahontas, I would totally love to get drinky with you ladies! I think we all deserve it! :D

[pocahontas]

Updated to here.

Welcome Sunshine & risa00!

Reminder: please post all updates in red.

In doing a little chart stalking this morning (congrats MBFP!) I noticed that there are a number of us who are in the wrong section. Would you ladies mind if we threadmistresses moved you to the proper section when we notice this sort of thing, or would you rather we wait to move you until you specifically request it?THREADMISTRESS...I will cast a vote for the "don't mind" catagory. I think it's natural for you in your role to move people when they are clearly CD3 and still in the "testing 6/6" section. Actually, I was going to mention that I see my name in both the "testing" and "waiting to O" sections. LOL :D I know that was probably an oversight but with my temp drop this morning even though the witch isn't here...I am throwing my hat in the ring. Please remove my name from the testing section and let it just remain in the "Waiting to O". Thanks.

[MrsR]

pocahontas -- I need a drink RIGHT NOW!!!

threadmistress -- I vote for go ahead and move people if they are in the wrong section!!!! Pretty soon I bet you can move me back to "waiting to O":rolleyes:

[Charting is Knowledge]

Pocahontas, oops! Gotcha in the right spot now. :D

[Sneak]

I'm in for the drinks! There sure are a lot of us at the same point of our cycle!

Aw crap! Our building just is starting a fire drill. Cutting into my CC time!

Threadmistress, can you put a link to my chart with my name under "waiting to o" http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/135daf

[j*east]

Tealynn, thank you so much for looking at my chart! I don't know how to explain that big temp jump around CD9. I read that some people stay high into AF b/c of lingering effects of progesterone, which could explain starting so high, but that pre-O jump just confuses me. I thought it was too early to tell about O, but I really appreciate your support. :) Not sure about CM yet since we BD this a.m., but I'm pretty sure it's watery at best, not EW.

Anyone else want to take a look? Thank you in advance!

Threadmistress, thank you for posting my chart! Feel free to move me whenever, though I'll certainly let you know when I've O'd.

[Janey]

I'm not sure if .5 is a significant hike, though. Can anyone give me some input? I'm also checking TCOYF. Should I wait for another jump tomorrow?
I would watch your CM and let that be your guide. But also know that those Spermies can live inside you for 3-5 days ... so if you are getting burnt out, take the night off. I don't really think it'll hurt your chances. :) If you don't see a sustained high temp tomorrow, and you are still having fertile CM, I'd give it another go.

Honeygirl - I will be testing Tomorrow AM. I opened the shower curtain to show B the thermometer, and he said, "Hmmmmmm." heheheehe. I wanted to test this morning but I remembered someone (in this thread??) saying that they knew someone who got a BFN on Day 13 only to get a BFP on day 15, so I decided... maybe we should wait one more day and test when we originally said we would.

Tealynn - Thanks for the well wishes! Thankfully the Thai class is from 9:30A - 2:30P today so it'll take up a good chunk of the day.


ETA: Threadmistress, I think cleaning up the thread as much as possible can only be a good thing. :)

[Sunshine]

Abirney~Well, twins run in my and DH's family.....sigh. It COULD happen...

Sneak~Oh, in Manitoba? How Great! I always love to see other Canadians on the boards! Have you been having rain lately? It has rained non stop for 2 days now...ugh.
I'm sorry you got AF:(

flygirl~Thank you for the welcome!

risa00~Welcome!

MrsJackson05~Thank you for the welcome...I hope AF stays away......My Dad keeps telling me how my Mom got pregnant first try with both of us kids, I feel like slapping him when he says that too....so yah, its okay;) LOL!

Jess71903~Thank you for the welcome! And I So know what you meant in that thread now:p LOL! I replied to you over "there" too!
GOOD LUCK!!!!!

MrsR~STill hoping AF stays away......

Mrs.Hill~I cant WAIT until tommorow!!!!! I hope this is it for you:D

j*east~I'm picking up TCOYF tonight, hopefully it will help me understand all of this a little bit better. I'm so new at all of this, it still sounds like a different language to me. I hope it is a sign for you!

tealynn~I was just thinking the same thing to myself, Ijust checked in again last night and it has already advanced 3 pages today.....LOL, your mom is so cute!

pocahontas~ugh, sorry you feel like AF is coming:(

THREADMISTRESS~I also vote for you to move when you see someone is in the wrong section! I can see myself forgetting at times!

I should be O'ing in the next few days so the BD marathon has begun. DH had to go out of town this morning, so he woke up 2 hours earlier than normal, I didnt mind getting up early;)
Good luck to the testers!!!!!

[gymwidow]

MrsHill, flygirl, jody, MrsKinnison, & j*east, thanks!

jody, I'm glad you're going forward with the RE appointment. I hope your DH gets more comfortable with things. Clomid really isn't that big a deal (at least it didn't seem that way to me). Hugs to you! You are dealing with everything so well and I really admire you for that.

Sunshine & risa00, welcome! Don't stay with us long!

ABirney, that's great news! WTG!

MrsR, phooey. I hope you can get the b/w done in time.

MrsHill, lol to your mom. I finally just gave my mom a copy of The Infertility Survival Handbook (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&isbn=1573223816&itm=1) to read. She knows what we're up against in our TTC battle (it really feels like a battle more than a journey lately), so it's been quite helpful.

Sneak, cake always makes things better. Especially when it has ice cream on top. 9 days is a little short for an LP, but I think there are some vitamins and other supps that people have posted about that you can take to help with that. Worst case, call your doc and ask for progesterone supplements.

Mrs Jackson, hugs to you.

Jess71903, have a GREAT time!

I have to stop there b/c I have a meeting in 5 minutes, but I'll be back later to finish SO's.

For me, I started the Crinone last night and have had hardly any spotting since. I hope I'm not jinxing myself by saying that! I hope it stays away.....

Back later!

[JayJay]

MrsHill, my vote is that if you get a BFP in the AM, you have to stick around this thread, just to continue giving us the great advice and insight that you do! :D

[Chris~n~Jen]

Sorry for not posting more often. I've been reading along but it is so hard to keep up. Plus I've been really down since last cycle I really thought was it.

General S/O's!
Sorry to everyone with AF showing up.
Good luck to everyone testing or trying to catch the eggie.
Welcome to the those joining the thread.

~~~~~
CD14. I had a big temp drop on cd11 followed by huge temp spikes so I was thinking I had maybe O'd on CD11. This mornings temp went back down to my average. So we're going to keep on BDing. I'm really, really hoping that this is our month. Reason being: My parents live in another state and I usually only get to see them once a year. In four weeks Chris and I are meeting them 1/2 way for a vacation togeather. I would love to be able to tell them in person that we are expecting. After last cycle I had all kinds of ideas of how I would surprise them. So I was especially dissapointed when aF showed. This is my last chance at getting preggo and being able to tell them in person. Although like Chris keeps telling me (in an atempt to not get my hopes up) if we aren't preggo then the timing is perfect for us to create our baby while on vacation as I should be Oing sometime during that week. So trying to stay positive


Side note~ The last three days I have been so naucious (sp?). I even went home from work on Tuesday because of it. I never do that! It just keeps hitting me in waves. Also yesterday and had really bad all over stomach cramps. Today I am extremely irritable. Everyone is annoying me. If I didn't know I was right in the middle of my cycle, I'd wonder if I wasn't preggo. It's really odd because I never feel that sick for so many days in a row. Just weird how your body can play tricks on you, I guess. I suppose I could have some sort of stomach flu, but nobody else around me is sick. :confused:

[miaclear]

Sorry for all the temp drops ladies! That is just unfair :(

MrsHill....looking good, will be checking in tomorrow and hoping to see congratulations spread about.

Threadmistress...I vote for update as you see it...keep us all on track :D

Chris N Jen... I could have written your post!!! We were hoping for a BFP last cycle so I could tell my parents in person. Turns out now I should (NOT) be getting AF at the end of our vacation with them. So I still have this cycle. Although I was hoping to let it sink in a bit and not find out and tell them right away. I also have been so naseaus lately. From my 2WW last cycle through just yesterday I was feeling it. And my smell factor is off the roof. I would have sworn I was pg if I hadn't been charting. Given that I've vowed to NOT TRUST any symptom I might be having here on out.

[gymwidow]

Sneak, I think it comes as a surprise to a lot of people that getting pregnant isn't always easy. I knew it might not happen right away for us, but a year and 7 medically assisted cycles later (plus another unassisted cycle), I know differently.

MrsHill, I'm crossing EVERYTHING for you! :)

honeygirl, pregnancy sounds a lot better than having a biopsy! Good luck!

j*east, it can't hurt to BD the day of your first temp rise, just in case. Think you have one more in you? ;)

Chris~n~Jen, I hope you get the good news you want to share with your folks in person.

So, the spotting seems to have stopped (crossing fingers, knocking on wood, anti-jinxing myself).... I'm trying not to get my hopes back up, b/c who knows - I could start again any minute and I could also start spotting for real in a week or so. Back to waiting. 4DPO and an endless 2WW ahead. :rolleyes:

[Charting is Knowledge]

Updated to here.

Congrats KristieB! Happy and healthy 9 months to you!

[Chris~n~Jen]

Chris N Jen... I could have written your post!!!

Isn't that weird. Both of us really thinking last cycle was IT, needing to be preggo this cycle in order to tell our parents in person, and having such strong symptoms! Well at least we are here for each other. I'm really hoping this is it for you because I know how special it would be to get to tell your parents in person. Fingers crossed!!!! :D

[MrsKinnison]

I only have a few minutes, but I wanted to pop in and say sorry to all those AF is visiting! And welcome to risa!!

[MrsR]

jumping in for a quick update -- no spotting or AF yet -- maybe my temp will go back up tomorrow . . .

welcome everyone and sorry to those who AF found. I will try to stop in tomorrow morning before I leave for the weekend but now I am off to get my hair cut and colored:)

[JayJay]

Well, ladies...I'm out. She has officially shown up.
I'm actually doing okay, I think I was more upset yesterday with the BFN.

I'm thinking that it might be time to stop TTC all together and see if I can continue to lose some more weight. Maybe that's what's keeping us.

I'm also contemplating having DH complete an SA. He says he's willing, but then I get to thinking that we've only been trying for 6 cycles, would that be rushing it?!

But, until I decide what to do, Threadmistress,move me to Waiting to O, please.

Thanks for all your support ladies!

[Sunshine]

So I just picked up TCOYF, but it is the 2001 edition...was there one issued after this date? If so, will it matter all that much? I am SO EXCITED to start reading!!!!!!!!!

gymwidow~Thank you! I hope my stay isnt long, but if it is, at least I know I found a very helpful thread with so many great ladies to share my experiences with:D
ugh, the 2WW Stinks:( I hope it was implantation bleeding:)

MrsJackson05~Darn it:( You know, last cycle, I was more upset with the BFN than actually getting AF too:p Whatever you decide, good luck!

[jjsanner]

Mrs. R, not to get your hopes up or anything, but I have just published my son's pregnancy chart (2nd chart down in my signature), and you can clearly see that I had temp jumps/drops of more than .3 degrees. So no, you are definately not out of it yet ;) .

[MrsR]

jjsanner -- thanks for that -- I also did some searching on ff today and found 3 charts that had a .3 degree or more drop in temp on 13DPO which wound up being pregnancy charts. Two of them tested on 12DPO with a BFN and then had a positive on 14DPO and one had BFNs 11DPO, 12DPO and 13DPO with a positive on 14DPO.

I know I am not out yet, but I just wish AF would hurry up and come if this cycle is a bust. I am going to have to call the RE if I get AF tomorrow to see what to do about my blood work since I will be gone on CD 2 and CD 3. Hopefully they can do it (if needed;)) on CD 4. . .

I had cramps on and off throughout the day today and some weird pinching low down on my right side this afternoon . . . boobs are a bit achy but not really sore . . .

The end result is I have no clue what is going on but here's hoping for a BFP or AF soon!!!!

[Janey]

MrsJackson05 - I am sorry you're out. :( Re: Testing ... have you been having clear ovulatory cycles for each of the six cycles you've been trying? Do you have a LP of at least 10 days? Have you had good BD timing, etc., the whole time? If so, I might consider a SA. It can't hurt (anything except the pocketbook), yeah?

As for sticking around for additional advice... if this IS it, my due date would be 2/25. All (grandmother, aunts cousins, my mother's cousins, my 2nd cousins, etc.) of the women in my family go way late, and I doubt I'll be the one who breaks that rule. I'm thinking I'll probably have a March baby. So maybe I'll stick around until a March Mamas thread is created.

Chris~N~Jen & Miaclear - I hope this is a good cycle for you both! It would be great to tell your parents in person! My cousin who lived out of town sent a "newspaper clipping" that she created on the computer tell her parents. It was cute... but not nearly as exciting as it would be to see the looks on their faces, I'm sure.

Sunshine - If you search at amazon.com, you'll see that the 2001 edition of TCOYF is the most recent. :)

MrsR - I am keeping everything crossed for you!!


I think I have B convinced that I need to test tonight. :p I told him there are THREE tests in that pack and the third one is going to expire before we have a 2nd pregnancy so shouldn't we not waste it? He said, "Can you at least wait until I get home??" I said, "Maybe. Try not to be TOO awfully late." hahahah!

When we were doing the Asian Grocery tour at about 10 AM, I started getting dull achy period cramps. And then I felt 'something' ... and I thought, "Oh man, here we go... here's my period. I'm not pregnant after all." But then we got back to the classroom site, and... nothing. Still no bleeding, no spotting, no nothing.

I called my Dr's office because of my shortish luteal phase to ask if they would put me on progesterone if I was pregnant. She said, "How about you come in for a blood test and we'll go from there." I said OK. If the digital comes back negative, I will cancel the appointment.

[ABirney]

Hey ladies, just a quick check-in before I leave to petsit for the weekend.
Welcome risa00!
Sorry AF showed sneak and MrsJackson.
Have fun on vacation jess! Hopefully you'll bring back good news.
MrsR sorry about the BFN. Hopefully AF stays away and you get a BFP soon though.
MrsHill looking good! Hope to hear good news when I get back Monday.
pocahontas I hope AF stays away!
gymwidow glad to hear the new meds have stopped the spotting... hope it stays away!
chris-n-jen Hope you feel better soon.
Good luck to those O'ing/O'd, hope you catch your eggies!
Sorry to anyone I missed.

[flygirl]

I think I have B convinced that I need to test tonight. :p Then test already! :p Re: your LP, 12-13 days isn't short. If your temps were low (not a clear temp shift) then maybe you'd have something to worry about. On top of that, even if you did have a short LP, if you get a solid implantation with a healthy embryo, it don' matter what your LP is; the CL will be producing enough prog to maintain the pg. Extra prog won't hurt, but why mess with nature's perfect miracle if you don't have to?

Here's the thing: if one has a short LP, the problem is most often due to a low level of prog. The prog is produced by the corpeus leutem, which we all know is the used egg follicle. If the follie is strong, then so shall be the CL, and thus a high level of prog. If you have a weak follie and eggie, you'll likely have a weak CL & low prog. Most of the time, treating a short LP with prog is only a band aid on the real problem: a weak O. And a conception with a weak O does not have a strong chance for survival on its own anyway. Supplementing prog for a conception that normally wouldn't implant or grow properly is only postponing the inevitable.

Clomid is most commonly known as a follie-stimulating drug, but it's also used to "help extend the LP." Except that it doesn't, by itself, extend the LP. By stimulating & strengthening the follie, Clomid increases the chances of a strong corpeus leutem, more prog secretion, a stronger endometrium and a longer LP.

This is all just a "most cases" scenario. There are other reasons for low prog even if you have strong follies, and supps can help support a healthy pg. But taking them *before* you get a BFP is kinda pointless; again, most likely a band aid on a bigger problem.

gym, you're doing everything possible to stay at the forfront of my thoughts!

Welcome Risa :).

MrsJ & anyone else visited by the witch, I'm sorry :(. To all those still waiting, fingers are crossed!

[charliezangel]

MrsJackson Sorry to hear the hag came to visit. I think having those tests done may be a good idea. Hopefully nothing is wrong and you can stop stressing and get back to babymaking!!!

ME!!!! CD32, my longest cycle EVER, 12-15 DPO. 2 tests, both BFN. I have no clue, but i'm a little worried because we are suppoed to be taking a break and are not in the least ready for a baby now.

OH, Congrats KristieB on your BFP.

[Janey]

So guess what. :D

http://static.flickr.com/73/168120376_e809f0b373.jpg?v=0

I fell asleep before B came home & he woke me up. I went in to POAS and he was standing there, and I said, "Baby I can't have you watching me pee on this stick." So he laughed and said ok and went into our bedroom. So I did it, put it on the counter, turned around, turned back around, and by that time -- not even a minute! -- it said Pregnant. I said: "BABY!! It came back REALLY FAST!!" and B comes in and says ... "WOW." Then he pauses, looks at me, and says, "WOW." I said, uh-huh. And he says, "We made a BABY."

So we did. :)

We went out to Thai On Alki for dinner after we found out, and then took a really nice walk on Alki Beach and watched the sun go down. :)

[polkadot]

Congrats!!!! H&H 9 months to you:)

[honeygirl]

Yay mrshill!!!!!!!!!!! I am so excited for you both, but to be honest (and selfish) I will miss you in the TTC threads. You'd better stop by to visit. :) Have a happy and healthy pregnancy!

btw - I didn't know that you lived in WA, how was Alki? (I grew up in WA)

flygirl - Quick question about LP and progesterone (it seems like you know more about this than me).

But taking them *before* you get a BFP is kinda pointless; again, most likely a band aid on a bigger problem
I take suppositories b/c of my LPD and the dr said without them I wouldn't be able to keep a pregnancy most likely. However, that's not why I started taking them. I started taking them b/c of post O spotting (usually within a day or two of O I'd spot all the way thru AF). With the progesterone I don't spot as early and my LP is longer (I'm doing better at 100mg a day then I did at 25mg). Do I fit the scenerio that you were talking about before?

[Ericka_Jarett]

Congrats MrsHill. Happy Healthy 9 (10) months to you.

[SweetRed]

Congrats Mrs Hill!!! H&H 9 months :D

I'm going to have to go back and reread this entire thread and get to know everyone so I can do SO's. I have a feeling this thread is going to take a little effort on my part ;)

I guess that means I should also officially join this thread. YIKES!!! :eek:

CC Name: SweetRed
Me: 33
DH: 38
Married since: 7/2005
Off BCP since: 3/2006
TTC since: This month???
Charting since: 3/2006
Known issues/test results: Very irregular periods pre-BCP
Chart: Fertility Friend (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/128004)
Current status: 2WW

For now, I'm going to keep my chart out of my siggie and just link each time I post. For whatever reason, I'm not up for putting it out there in the Chit Chat threads :)

Coming back to say it looks like I did O this month. I've also done a little homework in TCOYF and changed one of my CM days from W to C. Regardless, I have a definite jump in temps. Now the question is whether O happened on CD21 or CD29. I "feel" (if one can do that) that it was CD21. From CD22 until today, I had this very low, dull "twitching" of the uterus, something I can't remember ever experiencing before. Today it switched to pre-AF symptoms. Guess I'll find out soon enough, right?

Question: I know I read a little about this in TCOYF, but does a smaller "jump" in temps mean a potential problem? I know this cycle isn't done yet, but last cycle my temps went up into the 98's. This time, I'm possibly 11 DPO and still at 97.9. If this continues cycle to cycle, should I be concerned?

Be back later to do my homework and start officially cheering :D

[MrsR]

congrats MrsHill -- H&H 9 months!

Me - 14DPO and another temp jump and another BFN -- I really have no clue what is going on . . .

[Charting is Knowledge]

Updtaed to Here
Congrats Mrs.Hill Happy and Healthy 9 Months.
Welcome SweetRed!

[cowgirl]

Thanks for the Anniversary wishes.
Mrs.J:Sorry about AF that stinks.
Congrats Mrs.Hill H & H 9 months to you.

Nothing new to report no AF but my temps are down. I am wondering if I am having anovulatory cycle again. ugh

[Sneak]

Congrats MrsHill! Happy and Healthy 9 months! We'll definately miss you around here but are so happy you get to move on! :)

[gymwidow]

Morning, ladies. 5DPO here and not a sign of spotting, thank goodness! I’ve got a busy day ahead of me, so I probably won’t be around much, so everyone: have a great weekend!

MrsJackson, hugs to you. I’m working on my own weight loss battle (thank you, fertility drugs), so I can empathize with you on that. I’m sure it will only help in TTC! Have you talked to your doc about doing the test on DH?

Sunshine, yes, this is a wonderful thread with amazing women. They’ll help you through every part of TTC!

MrsR, wow, what a nice temp jump today! Crossing everything for you still….. Yes, CD3 b/w can also be done on CD4.

ABirney, thanks!

flygirl, awww, thank you!

Mrs Hill, WOOHOO! What a wonderful way to celebrate. H&H 9 months to you!

SweetRed, welcome!

cowgirl, how frustrating. I'm so sorry. Hugs to you.....

[kanga1622]

Hooray MrsHill!

Welcome SweetRed!

Hang in there MrsR. Hopefully you get an answer soon.

Nothing new here. CD16 so I'm probably 5-10 days from O. We will be frantically cleaning this weekend so that we have a clean house to come back to after vacation. I will check in on Monday and hopefully there are more BFPs!

[JayJay]

Congrats, MrsHill! Hope you have a happy and healthy nine months!

[pocahontas]

Well, ladies...I'm out. She has officially shown up.
I'm actually doing okay, I think I was more upset yesterday with the BFN.

I'm thinking that it might be time to stop TTC all together and see if I can continue to lose some more weight. Maybe that's what's keeping us.

I'm also contemplating having DH complete an SA. He says he's willing, but then I get to thinking that we've only been trying for 6 cycles, would that be rushing it?!

But, until I decide what to do, Threadmistress,move me to Waiting to O, please.

Thanks for all your support ladies!
MRSJACKSON...I don't think that would be rushing it at all. DH had an SA last month at the suggestion of my RE and another this month with a urologist. And I guess that we are more than just wedding month twins...looks like weight loss twins too because my RE told me that losing 10% of my body weight could improve TTC. So I'm in the same boat as you. :rolleyes:

MRSHILL! CONGRATS!

[fsb2005]

Ok, I have to admit I'm still lurking around here some.

Yay MrsHill!! I'm so glad you'll be with me in the Feb mommies group!

MrsR - your temps are certainly looking good, sorry about the BFNs. Just a question -- have you tried other brands of tests?

[Felicity]

Ok, I have to admit I'm still lurking around here some.
Me too fsb2005! ;)

Congrats MrsHill!

[Chris~n~Jen]

Congrats Mrs. Hill!

[tealynn]

Mrs. Hill, I'm really happy for you. You've gone to great lengths to understand your body and your cycles—you've definitely earned that BFP! Happy & Healthy 9 months to you...

Welcome Sweet Red, hope your stay is short and sweet. We've actually had quite a run of luck on new charters getting a BFP.

fsb2005, hope you're doing well and not feeling the affects of m/s.

Mrs. R & Cowgirl, keeping my fingers crossed for both of you!

Check back in later...

[Jenzen01]

Ok, I have to admit I'm still lurking around here some.

Me too fsb2005!


I'm still lurking, too. :)

~~~~~Babydust~~~~~

[jenjen0713]

Ok, I have to admit I'm still lurking around here some.



Me three!!

Congratulations MrsHill!!!! Digital tests are the best!!! Happy and healthy 9 months!!

[charliezangel]

Congrats mrs.hill. SOOOO excited for you. H&H 9 months.

[j*east]

Congratulations Mrs. Hill! That's AWESOME! We knew you had a pretty chart! :)

Well. My temp stayed steady, but I guess I still have to wait and see if it stays up to confirm O. A little rise would help too. My waking times have varied from 6-9 a.m. (usually 6:30-7:30) so I have a lot of circles (not solid dots) on my FF chart. But I'm reluctant to adjust them since it's my first month and there doesn't seem to be a pattern of sleeping in=higher temps. In fact, it seems to be the opposite.

So...in another day or two I'll be ready for "think I O'd" officially. I really hope I did, though.

[flygirl]

Congratulations, MrsH!! H&H the remaining 8 months :).

cowgirl, yeah, I kinda think it could be annov. I'm sorry :(.

Welcome, SweetRed!

honeygirl, it's something I just learned :). Docs are starting to move away from prog supps as a precaution because while it can help strengthen the lining and prolong the LP, it's not addressing the real problem: why aren't you producing enough prog. on your own? It's just like taking a pain killer for a headache caused by a brain tumor; you'd feel fine, but it doesn't make the tumor go away.

There are three main causes for LPD: Poor follicle production, premature failure of the corpeus leutem and failure of the endometrium to respond to progesterone.

The majority of LPDs are caused by poor follie production. As I explained below, a poor follie turns into a poor corpeus leutem which cannot produce enough progesterone. It also usually means a poor-quality egg which, though it can be fertilized, won't be viable. If you try to treat this with progesterone you might create a strong enough lining, but that won't matter if the egg or zygote itself isn't viable.

Failure of the endometrium to respond to progesterone is obviously not treatable by progesterone :), but premature failure of the CL is. In this case you're very likely to have a strong, viable egg so the added progesterone will help support it until it creates enough on its own. Unlike with poor follie production, CL failure does not directly affect a zygote.

Has your doc tested for & diagnosed the cause of your LPD? You will usually need an u/s or biopsy to determine the official cause.

ETA: Here's a great site that explains it better than I did: www.inciid.org (http://www.inciid.org/printpage.php?cat=infertility101&id=7) (The InterNational Council on Infertility Information Dissemination)

[Janey]

Thank you everyone for the congrats!! It means a lot to me. :o


SweetRed - I'm glad you've joined "for real" now. Welcome! It sure would be nice if you could have forum-specific sigs, wouldn't it. :)

Honeygirl - I know what you mean. I am sad to leave too, in a way. I was sad to leave the CTA thread, too. As for WA ... look over to the right of my post... it says I am in Seattle. I love it when people put their locations in. I think it's sorta cool to see all these women from all over talking about random girl-stuff. :D Where did you grow up in WA? Alki was soooo nice last night. It was 70 degrees, a bit of a breeze, and the sky was this amazing dark-bright blue behind our awesome skyline. It wasn't this dark (http://www.flickr.com/photos/capnqwest/35675905/) when we were there, but that was our view.

Tealynn - My only research was reading TCOYF, a whole bunch of information on PCOS, and hanging out in the Charting To Avoid thread for six months. Of the three, I think that CTA helped me immensely in learning my body, so I already had a pretty good handle of what was going on once I got here. I'd recommend it to anyone.

ABirney - (who I realize is out of town and will probably not see this anyway :p ) I hope my BFP gives you some encouragement. It CAN happen for a pre-diabetic/PCOSer. Don't give up on that weight loss goal. 11 pounds is an amazing start. You can do it, sister!

MrsR - I think things are looking very positive for you. I also think FF may have called your Ovulation a day or two early (I say that because of the EWCM)... so you might just be too early to test?

CharliezAngel - Every time I see your pink ribbon avatar, I realize that I forgot to tell you in the Before & After thread how FANTASTIC you look!! CONGRATS!


Let the ride begin!

[Sunshine]

MrsHill~:p I feel so silly. I checked last night and realized that 2001 was the most recent:p Sheesh. I thought for some reason there was another revised edition in 2003.
Thank You!
And OMG, CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am *SO* HAPPY FOR YOU!!!!!!!!!

Welcome SweetRed!

[MrsR]

fsb -- I have only used the CBE digital early results. If AF does not come by tomorrow, I will break down and buy another brand.

MrsHill -- unfortunately since I triggered on Thursday night, I know FF called my O date correctly.

tealynn and everyone else -- thanks for the positive thoughts.

Cramps were back for awhile this morning but have left for a bit -- no AF or spotting so far. . .

[Chris~n~Jen]

Ok chart stalkers! Will someone take a look at my chart and tell me if it looks like I've O'd yet.

DH and I are going out of town this weekend. Unfortuanly sleeping on a blow up mattress on IL's living room floor is not very condusive to BDing. So I'm just wondering if I may have O'd already. I wasn't feeling very well earlier in the week and I think I may have had a slight fever, hense the big temp spike.

[lawgirl4]

well, I still lurk too! ;)

mrsr - I wonder if you implanted late? and therefore you just aren't producing enough hcg for a HPT to pick up on yet? I would definitely buy at least 2 other HPT brands - some are indeed more sensitive than others. and I would make sure that one of them is a digital. those are great because you don't have to scrutinze the lines. I am really hoping this will be it for you!

[polkadot]

hey girls...i am wayyyyy to behing to give everyone a shout-outs..but Congrats to all you newly pg ladies...H&H 9 months to all of you....

As for me...its cycle day 30 and i still havent Oed :rolleyes: I am feeling killer cramps that are on one definite side that **could** be O pains...but I wonder whats the latest you can O? Anyone know? We are leaving for vacation tomorrow morning..but we are taking the laptop so i will be able to check in...If i do get a temp jump yall will know...;)

mrsR i think your chart looks really good. I know a few people who never get + HPT's but they were defintly PG...fingers crossed for you....:cool:

[polkadot]

so...i wasted my time typing the previous post...Af has just arrived...UGHHHHHHHHHH

:mad: :mad: :mad:


just in time for my vacation...:rolleyes:

[pride&prejudice]

Congrats MsHill, H&H 9 months!

Polka and anyone else the witch arrived to, :mad:

[LDS Angel 19]

As for me...its cycle day 30 and i still havent Oed :rolleyes: I am feeling killer cramps that are on one definite side that **could** be O pains...but I wonder whats the latest you can O? Anyone know?

This cycle I O'd on CD 45 or 46. As far as I know, theoretically one could O at any point. I've heard of people O'ing around day 90. Someone else might know better than me though.

(There really must be something about this thread that makes all us graduates not want to leave.... :cool: )

ETA: Ugh, sorry, polkadot!

[polkadot]

thanks for the info LDS...but i guess it doesnt matter now...i guess i am really just bummed b/c i took the 50 mg and clomid and I didnt even O which doesnt make much sense...also...this is waaaaaayyyy TMI..but my doc gave me estrogen to help my lining after i finshed my clomid and now ****my flow is really clotty and thick** do you think thats what its from? It was kinda alarming at first but then I am figuring that is what it is...thanks for any info...

Ok so this month I am not temping ...just taking Evening Primrose Oil. anyone taken/taking that? I need to dig up some info on how much...how long...etc I know they say not to take it after O...so I guess I will stop after day 21 and see what happens...

thanks for all the support ....:)

[mkvh]

I still lurk, too...and I got my BFP in NOVEMBER! :o

~*~*~*BABY DUST~*~*~*~

[Soulmate]

**jumping in from lurkdom**

Polkadot Be careful with EPO. I would O no matter what and have never had an annovulatory cycle. I would not O when taking EPO. It would be very late in my cycle with no O, I'd stop EPO and O about a week later. It was like that with EPO and flaxseed oil. I think I am a wierdo with that but just wanted to add my experience. Acupuncture was the only thing that ever worked for me and I tried everything (including clomid).

[polkadot]

oh crap...should I not take it now? I am wondering what I should do....crap crap crap....

[Soulmate]

oh crap...should I not take it now? I am wondering what I should do....crap crap crap.... I will say that my body's response to EPO was incredibly rare. No one I've seen on WC/CC had the same response though maybe one or two did on the FF boards. But I did want to put that out there as a possibility. I've been involved in the FP boards here and WC for 3-4 years maybe and have found no natural supplement to really consistently work for people. And there are trends. Fertility Blend was a biggie for a while, then instead cups. Of course people will get more EWCM with green tea, robitussin, etc. But does it lead to conception?? For some it does...others it does not. Some people find that natural something that really works for them. It is all such a crap shoot and, after a while TTC, one is willing to do anything and everything possible. Also know (I didn't at the time) that a lot of the use of natural supplements come from acupuncture treatment. There is a book called "The Infertility Cure" that lists most of the ones I've seen around over the years. The catch is that they are used to treat specific diagnoses (Yin deficient, blood deficient, etc). I think that is why EPO messed me up so badly. I think what has happened is that people either with this book or treated by acupuncture come back to a message board (I've seen this mostly with FF) and say "I'm pregnant after so long and I used EPO, flaxseed, etc). Then a bunch of people jump on that hoping that it'll work for them too. I've seen so many people mess their cycles up that way. I will say that the only thing I've seen really work consistently is acupuncture. Even then it doesn't work for everyone. But I think it has appeared as though it works and is not just a possible coincidence. Long story short, if you do not know what your diagnosis is in acupuncture, I'd stay away from those things.

For those interested, acupuncture is pretty expensive, but my rationale is that it is cheaper than injectibles which is where I was headed next if I did the medical route. I feel it is most effective for those with the "unexplained" diagnosis. My acupunturist even got a woman with consistently annovulatory cycles to ovulate close to CD14 but she got pregnant before he got her to that point (I think she was stuck at ~CD19). He was working to get me to ovulate from CD21 to CD14 but I got pregnant the first cycle!

Anyway...those are my thoughts...

ETA: Here is a thread on acupuncture (http://www.constantchatter.com/showthread.php?t=7269) for those interested.

[charliezangel]

MrsHill Thank you for the compliments. You, BTW, look amazing as well. I was your before/afters at the beginning of that thread. WOW!!!!!

[SweetRed]

polkadot, I'm so sorry! Just follow your heart and your head. Only you know what you're comfortable doing.

chris~n~jen I took a look at your chart, but as you can expect from a newcomer, I haven't any more idea than you do!

Well, today I took my very first HPT. It was a BFN. :(

I have no real reason to suspect I am pg at this point, and normally I'm the type of person who will wade it out to 15 DPO or so to test. But, I am going on a pub crawl tonight and the LAST thing I wanted is to be thinking with every sip of adult beverage, "I wonder if I'm PG." Even if this turns out to be a false BFN, at least I did the responsible thing.

The good news is that last cycle my LP was 11 days. Today I am 12 DPO and no significant temp drop! That was one of the reasons I tested... that and the fact that FF calls my chart "possibly triphasic". I don't trust their interpretations, but it did make me think twice before tonight.

And yes... I write books when I post ;)

My Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/128004)