Brangelina, vol. 2--Baby Shiloh Nouvel is here [Archive]

fuzzy

05-30-2006, 01:06 PM

I've read a number of reports (on People, I think) that said the baby was breech.

ETA: http://people.aol.com/people/articles/0,19736,1199148,00.html

Brad, Angelina Thank Hospital

Tuesday May 30, 2006 1:55pm EST

CREDIT: SARA JAYE WEISS / INF

Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt, who welcomed daughter Shiloh in Namibia on Saturday, tell PEOPLE in an exclusive statement: “We would like to deeply thank the staff of the Cottage Medi-Clinic Hospital for all their kindness and commitment in assuring the successful birth of our daughter.”

The couple’s obstetrician from Los Angeles, Jason Rothbart, M.D., was assisted by the local staff of the Cottage Medi-Clinic Hospital.

"Angelina underwent a scheduled cesarean due to breech presentation," Dr. Rothbart tells PEOPLE exclusively. "The baby was a healthy 7 lbs. Brad was with Angelina in the operating room the entire time and cut the umbilical cord of his daughter. The surgery and birth went flawlessly. The staff, nurses and doctors I worked with at the Cottage Medi-Clinic Hospital were amazing, it was a team effort."

The Cottage Medi-Clinic, in the coastal town of Swakopmund, Namibia, is a private hospital with nine doctors and nine nurses tending to the eight-bed obstetrics unit.

Doctors in the unit do their best to make childbirth an experience the whole family can share in. They encourage rooming in – that is, babies and mothers staying in the same room – and breastfeeding and feeding on demand. Both parents are encouraged to bathe the baby, and fathers and siblings are welcome to visit – good news for Shiloh's brother Maddox, 4, and sister Zahara, 1.

kris97

05-30-2006, 01:11 PM

This post from Perez Hilton also mentions the breech birth, and says they're headed to Paris soon, and then, eventually, Malibu.

According to In Touch, here is THE LATEST info on the birth of little Shiloh Nouvel Jolie-Pitt.

- Shiloh was born on May 28 at 1:40 a.m. local time (which was May 27 at 8:40 p.m. EST), said the provincial governor.

- Brad Pitt was overcome with emotions as doctors delivered their first biological child in Swakopmund, Namibia.

- The baby weighed in at 7 pounds, says an insider.

- Shiloh was delivered by Angelina's private doctor, who flew in from Los Angeles to perform a C-section.

- Shiloh was in the breech position - feet first - necessitating the surgery.

- Rumors placed the birth at the Cottage Hospital, but insiders insist it took place at the Burning Shore Lodge.

- During the birth, Brad and Angie's son, Maddox was with a babysitter, while Zahara was cradled by a nurse. Angie's brother, James Haven, "hovered near the doorway" during the delivery. Brad's brother, Doug Pitt, who was in Paris, expects to see his new niece soon.

- Brad brought the kids to meet Shiloh and they all gave Angelina gifts. Maddox gave his mom red flowers and Brad gave Angelina a colorful, braided cloth bracelet made by a young girl from a nearby village. He also bought similar bracelets for himself, Shiloh, Maddox and Zahara.

- While friends say Maddox is thrilled with his new baby sister, a witness did hear him complaining to his dad that Shiloh "sleeps a lot." Brad was then heard explaining, "That's what babies do when they've just been born, Mad. They sleep."

- Brad, who once said, "little girls just crush me. They break my heart", has been handing out cigars to everyone he sees and sending emails to friends describing little Shiloh.

- Angelina and Brad have already donated $300,000 to two Namibian state hospitals, as well as $15,000 to a community center in Swakopmund.

- Parenthood definitely agrees with Angelina, who is already talking about adopting more kids - and traveling around the world with them.

- Insiders say the Jolie-Pitt brood will leave their temporary home at the Burning Shore Lodge in Namibia in mid-June, stop in Paris for a short vacation, then return, finally, to their renovated Malibu mansion.

- Angelina really misses her mom, Marcheline, who really regretted not being able to be in Africa for the birth, and can't wait to see her and introduce her to Shiloh.

- Angelina has been estranged from her dad, actor Jon Voight, since 2002, when he revealed that she was adopting Maddox then publicly criticized her. As a peace offering, on May 20, Jon bought Shiloh three gifts - a rattle, a stuffed pig and a stuffed cow - at Glen Kids in Bel Air. "I just wish the best for her," he told a friend soon after the birth. "I hope, at some point, things will be different between us. I wish her the best because I love her."

- The night Angelina gave birth, Brad's ex-wife Jennifer Aniston was alone in her room at The Peninsula Hotel in Chicago - without her boyfriend Vince Vaughn. According to a witness, the next morning, Jen's bodyguard walked her dog Norman and picked up an assortment of newspapers, so she could read about Brad's firstborn child. "Jen's really relieved now that Angelina's given birth," says a friend of the actress. "It's finally over. The baby is born, she'll grow up and maybe now everybody will stop asking her about it."

Hmmm. Probably not anytime soon!

Congratulations to all of our friends at In Touch. You have gained the world's respect with your superb reporting on the birth of The Baby!

We are beyond impressed. And the hard work is in the details of this story.

Amazing stuff! You've put everybody else to shame.

allyray231

05-30-2006, 01:11 PM

"Angelina underwent a scheduled cesarean due to breech presentation,"

Nice to know our kids have something in commen ;)

Rosebud

05-30-2006, 03:21 PM

Some more information on Shiloh's name. Interesting!

Jolie-Pitt baby is the 'Peaceful One'
Child's name drawn from Hebrew, French

NEW YORK (AP) -- Nothing was normal about the birth of Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt's child, so naturally, neither was their baby's name.

The child -- whose pending arrival created a frenzy of hyperbole making it, according to one Web site executive, "the most anticipated baby since Jesus Christ" -- was named Shiloh, which means "Peaceful One" in Hebrew and, according to a Bible dictionary, refers to the Messiah. ("Messiah" comes from "mashiach," Hebrew for "anointed one.")

Shiloh Nouvel Jolie-Pitt was born Saturday evening -- via C-section, according to People magazine -- in Namibia where her famous parents had withdrawn for the birth, aided by considerable protection from the African country's government.

As of Tuesday, the baby was reportedly in good health, though the family was yet to make a public appearance. The couple also have two adopted children, 4-year-old Maddox and 14-month-old Zahara.

In a statement to People magazine, Jolie thanked the staff of Cottage Medi-Clinic Hospital. Jolie's obstetrician from Los Angeles, Dr. Jason Rothbart, told People that he delivered the child, who weighed seven pounds, by Caesarean section "due to breech presentation."

Pitt, he said, "was with Angelina in the operating room the entire time and cut the umbilical cord of his daughter. The surgery and the birth went flawlessly."

A Hebrew name, Shiloh is "generally understood as denoting the Messiah, 'the peaceful one,' " according to Easton's Bible Dictionary, an 1897 work of biblical definitions.

The Web site http://www.babynames.com lists Shiloh as a name that can apply to either a boy or girl. It also points out the famous Battle of Shiloh in 1862, a pivotal battle in the Civil War fought in southwestern Tennessee near a church named Shiloh.

The child's middle name, Nouvel, most obviously translates from the French, meaning "new." If one were to take a literal approach to analyzing the entire name, Jolie and Pitt could appear exceedingly bold in dubbing their daughter the "new Messiah."

Bruce Lansky, a self-described "baby name guru" and author of "100,000-plus Baby Names," says the name is "unusual without being silly."

"What is interesting is Brad and Angelina went all the way to Namibia to have their baby girl and rather than choose a traditional African name to signify the birth -- like many thought they would -- they chose Shiloh, also meaning 'God is great' in Hebrew," Lansky said.

Shiloh Nouvel Jolie-Pitt is only the latest instance of a unique name bestowed on a celebrity child. Lately, names rooted in Hebrew are all the rage.

Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes' baby, who was preceded by nearly as much anticipation as Jolie and Pitt's, was famously named Suri, which the couple said means "princess" in Hebrew (or "red rose" in Persian). Some doubted the Hebrew origin, instead suggesting the more accurate meaning was "pointy nose" from Todas, a language spoken by a Southern India tribe.

Gwyneth Paltrow and Chris Martin named their second child Moses, born in April. Their first child, Apple, remains one of the most renowned examples of esoteric names given to celebrity babies.

Right now, a truly original name for a celebrity's child might simply be Jack, or Jill.

source: CNN

majorgal

05-30-2006, 07:55 PM

wine_o_girlie

05-31-2006, 09:30 AM

maybe this sounds real ignorant? But why would she choose (if infact she did choose) to have a c-section out of the U.S? I'd be worried about a number of different things. :confused:

You do realize people have babies and C-sections and all kinds of other surgeries outside the US and are just fine, right?

savannahgrl

05-31-2006, 10:08 AM

maybe this sounds real ignorant? But why would she choose (if infact she did choose) to have a c-section out of the U.S? I'd be worried about a number of different things. :confused:

We were talking about this in our office today.

Yes, wine-o-girlie, I realize that people have babies and c-sections outside of the US, but we are referring to a location that is not as developed.

keska

05-31-2006, 10:23 AM

She was in a modern medical facility and she did have her L.A. doctor present. Keep in mind that even countries that are generally considered 3rd world have rich people and there are facilities that cater to those people. There are also facilities in many countries that advertise themselves as Western medical facilities to appeal to foreigners.

GoCougs

05-31-2006, 10:26 AM

You know, I used to just think AJ was annoying--for some reason, she just bothered me. But, as I have watched her stay true to what she says and work towards improving the world in whatever way she can, I have warmed to her. I am most impressed by the fact that I have not once seen a photo of a nanny holding her children. She or BP are always there. For celebrities, this is amazingly impressive.

I wish them both well, and I have come to accept that they may just be a really, really good match for one another.

I agree. As an actress, I can take her or leave her...she doesn't really "wow" me in her movies. But as a humanitarian, I definitely think that she has proven herself to be a role model and a very passionate, dedicated person.

cocopops

05-31-2006, 12:57 PM

Voight wants to say
'hello' to Shiloh

Actor Jon Voight (above) is talking reconciliation with his estranged daughter — and new mom — Angelina Jolie (below): 'I hope that one day soon I'll be saying hello to them.'

Jon Voight's long-estranged daughter, Angelina Jolie, apparently still refuses to speak to him.

So the 67-year-old Oscar winner has launched a public lobbying campaign to be allowed to see his new granddaughter, Shiloh.

"The birth of this child is very exciting," Voight told Steppin' Out mag's Chaunce Hayden on Monday afternoon asthey sat in a van parked outside the restaurant Veselka, at Second Ave. and Ninth St. "I'm very, very happy for both of them. My love is with them always. … I hope one day soon that I'll be saying hello to them."

Voight declined to discuss his damaged relationship with Jolie. "I just don't want to talk about that now," he insisted, "because I don't think it's appropriate. I just don't want to go into that."

Voight reached out to his 30-year-old daughter just two days after she delivered the 7-pound girl by Cesarean section at the Cottage Medi-Clinic Hospital in Namibia. Jolie's L.A. obstetrician, Dr. Jason Rothbart, told People magazine: "The surgery and the birth went flawlessly. The staff, nurses and doctors I worked with were amazing. It was a team effort."

Rothbart also said hands-on dad Brad was in the operating room throughout the delivery, even cutting the baby's umbilical cord.

Voight, meanwhile, praised Jolie for the way she has used her fame. "She's always very eloquent when she speaks about the suffering people in Africa. She doesn't say more than she knows, and she makes a heartfelt plea on behalf of those people who need assistance. I think that's very admirable."

In a rambling chat, Voight also expressed support for President Bush's war on terrorism. "This is a hideous, cunning, clever enemy who lives off a program of murderous thoughts," he said.

"There are cells that are waiting in our communities today. Their children are growing up with our children. This is a dangerous time. Do I feel that these people have to be met with military action by using our boys and girls? Yes, I do. I don't believe we can talk about a time of peace on Earth. It is not a time for that. It would be nice if all people got along."

Angie, are you listening?

brenda

05-31-2006, 01:27 PM

Seriously, Mr. Voight, stop speaking publicly about your relationship with your daughter. It makes you appear creepy and incapable of respecting boundaries. If you want to work on your relationship, an appeal through a tabloid isn't the best way to inititate contact,

CindyLouWho

06-01-2006, 06:06 AM

Ok, I'll say it-- $300,000 seems a paltry amount to donate to the maternity units of 2 hospitals in Nambia when you're both millionaires. I think the leaders of that country went above and beyond to make things private and comfortable for BP and AJ. I think it's nice they are making a donation, but I'll bet they are paying 6 figures a day for their resort and security for their own comfort.

Perhaps there is another anonymous donation being made, but I kept thinking they left off a zero when I read this.

My two cents.....

Kimberland30

06-01-2006, 06:33 AM

While I agree somewhat, $300,000 to that country is still A LOT of money, it just doesn't seem like it when compared to what it gets you in the US.

msnicolea

06-01-2006, 07:22 AM

To be fair, they have both given tons of money to various charities/groups over the past few years. Other celebritees could learn a thing or two from them.

And ITA with meganth--that's a TON of money to Namibians. When celebrities give to overseas charities, I'm sure there's a method for deciding upon an appropriate number. Steve Nash donates hospital equipment for a children's heart center in a country in South America--sorry, I'm blanking on it--and he talked about how far the money goes down there.

meganth

06-01-2006, 07:30 AM

$300,000 is about $1,938,000 Namibian dollars. I'm sure that $300,000 will go really far and is probably considered a very generous gift.

cocopops

06-01-2006, 08:20 AM

That is more then likely just the reported amount they have prob given so much more then we will ever know. I bet they have prob paid out of there rear for the security and privacy in that country. Plus if you think about it at least they gave when I am sure most people wouldn't even take a second thought.

Sposa06

06-01-2006, 09:49 AM

at least they gave

Exactly. Their generosity and dedication is admirable. They've been able to help out tons of people all around the world through the amount of time and money they have given to various causes. How are you able to judge what they give?

Rosebud

06-01-2006, 11:09 AM

This shirt just got emailed around my work. I love it! :)

http://goldenfiddle.com/system/files/images/namibiaguys.preview.jpg

jesvet

06-01-2006, 11:13 AM

They didn't HAVE to give anything. I think it was pretty generous.

keska

06-01-2006, 02:13 PM

I don't know where DH got this but he emailed me this quote from Jennifer Aniston regarding Brad's new child

"I really do wish Brad the best of luck because he'll need it when
he's raising that child alone and she's off somewhere adopting another
Third World baby."

ginadc

06-01-2006, 02:20 PM

I don't think that's Jennifer Aniston. First, she's smarter than that; even if she thinks it, no way would she say it in a forum where she might get quoted. Second, it sounds to me very similar to a comment I read in an interview with a woman who had an affair with Angelina; I think her name is Jenny Shimizu. My guess is it's something from her, if not made up entirely.

ssstephanie

06-01-2006, 02:41 PM

Michael Douglas said something very similar to that but not those words exactly.

miaclear

06-01-2006, 03:53 PM

Actually I heard today that Jennifer called Brad's people (I'm guessing PR people) to congratulate him. I guess I'd rather do that than speak to him in person. If she did, hats off to her.

keska

06-01-2006, 05:15 PM

I think she seems too nice to say something like that too.

Sophia

06-01-2006, 05:16 PM

I seriously doubt JA said that.

jasonsgal

06-01-2006, 08:08 PM

I have no idea if this is true or not but I just read:

link: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=104465

Aniston 'sickened' by baby news
Thursday Jun 1 10:00 AEST

Jennifer Aniston felt "nauseous" when she got a phone call telling her Brangelina's baby had been born.
But Aniston later told friends she was relieved that the "sick triangle" was finally over and she could move on with her life.

Her ex-Brad Pitt was in the operating room as new love Angelina Jolie gave birth to baby daughter Shiloh Nouvel Pitt-Jolie.

Aniston, 37, got the news of Pitt's baby on May 27 from an associate from Plan B, the production company she once owned with Pitt.

"The nauseous feeling I expected to have when I heard the news is smaller than I thought," Star magazine quotes Aniston as telling a friend.

"I'm sick to death of having paparazzi ask me how I feel.

"How do they think I feel? I've wanted this to be over for so long. Now, hopefully, my place in this sick triangle will be replaced with the baby.

"I'm finally going to be able to make my own decisions and not have to factor in all this bulls**t."

Aniston also told pals that she fears Pitt will end up raising the baby on his own, according to the magazine.

"I really do wish Brad the best of luck because he'll need it when he's raising that child alone and she's off somewhere adopting another Third World baby.

"I do wish Brad and Angelina luck. Passion is fleeting and their whole relationship is based on passion, however misguided it seems to me."

Pitt and Jolie are holed up in the impoverished African country of Namibia after the birth of Shiloh.

It is expected they will return to Pitt's luxurious Malibu home in June to raise Shiloh.

Splash News/Snapper Media

Raven_Girl

06-01-2006, 11:06 PM

I have no idea if this is true or not but I just read:

link: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=104465

If this is true then she's a bigger bitch than I thought. I'm hoping this is a load of crap.

Chris~n~Jen

06-02-2006, 05:25 AM

If this is true then she's a bigger bitch than I thought. I'm hoping this is a load of crap.

I don't know, I think I would be a little bitter about my ex-husband and his mistress having their love child. I like Brad and Angelina and I think they are doing very good things. But I could totally understand JA being pissed off about the whole situation. It's true that this pregnancy has kept the three of them (including JA) in the tabloids much longer than they would have been just given the divorce. So I can see her feeling relief and yes also some resentment over the whole thing.

Although I don't know if I would actually believe the story, but I don't think its all that far-fetched.

jbenny75

06-02-2006, 07:03 AM

I find it hard to believe JA and her publicist, etc, would let something like that get out, even though she may very well feel that way. It really makes her look bad and that's the last thing they would want. I doubt it's true.

cocopops

06-02-2006, 08:36 AM

Shiloh Nouvel Pitt-Jolie

Pitt-Jolie? Is her last name going to be last like that? Just seems odd to me. But it works :)

ilovepink

06-02-2006, 09:32 AM

Jennifer's been pretty gracious through this whole thing, so why would she start being bitchy now? It doesn't make sense to me. It's probably just some bored writer stirring the pot. Again.

Rico'sAlice

06-02-2006, 12:36 PM

Pitt-Jolie? Is her last name going to be last like that? Just seems odd to me. But it works :)

In the AP article (post 12) it is Jolie-Pitt. It would be really strange to have it different than the siblings. I'm honestly not entirely convinced about the reliability of this article (the one is post 34), but I guess we'll see.

ETA: That article seems to be relying on quotes passed on from a friend to Star magazine. So...

Smittenk

06-05-2006, 12:21 PM

YEY!! can't wait to see them!!

Baby Shiloh Pictures

Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt will give the world its first peek at their newborn daughter by releasing photos of Shiloh Nouvel, with profits going to charity.

The images, taken at a private photo shoot, will be distributed by Getty Images, the photo agency said Monday. All profits will be given to charity, though no specific foundation was announced.

"While we celebrate the joy of the birth of our daughter, we recognize that two million babies born every year in the developing world die on the first day of their lives," the couple said in a joint statement. "These children can be saved, but only if governments around the world make it priority."

Deb Trevino, a spokeswoman for Getty Images, told The Associated Press the family would later name the charity that will receive the funds. She would not disclose how much the photos were being sold for, or when they would be distributed. [AP]

UPDATE :: Baby Shiloh Nouvel Jolie-Pitt will be featured in a set of six photos. "The images are beautiful – very intimate, casual and not Hollywood glitz," Getty Images described.

cocopops

06-05-2006, 12:52 PM

Do we know exactly when these photo's will be released. Why am I dying to see these pics heheh :p

TX Sweetheart

06-05-2006, 12:57 PM

I just want to see what the genes of AJ and BP can produce... can't wait to see Shiloh as she grows up.

Smittenk

06-05-2006, 01:05 PM

cocopops...nope...they won't say when they will be released. Don't worry, you're not the only one dying to see them ;)

ignutzz

06-05-2006, 01:13 PM

Long-time lurker who just had to post this:

from Overheard in New York (http://www.overheardinnewyork.com)

Time to Diss Him from the Cover of Elle

Girl #1: I just don't get it! He said they were just friends... But they were always hanging out. Then all of a sudden he dumps me!!

Girl #2: Girl friend, you've been Jolie'd!

--C train

:D

cocopops

06-05-2006, 01:20 PM

I just want to see what the genes of AJ and BP can produce... can't wait to see Shiloh as she grows up.

I just hope that they don't cancel one another out ;)

jh124

06-05-2006, 03:10 PM

TrulyBlessed

06-05-2006, 09:57 PM

OMG!! I've been Jolie'd before!?!:eek:

LOL...you are so funny jh124 :D

allyray231

06-06-2006, 06:37 AM

I read in the post today that People got the pictures for 4.1 million

sarahh

06-06-2006, 06:48 AM

WHAT???!!! FOUR POINT ONE MILLLLLLION DOLLARS!! Good gawd!!

Someone tell me if I have this right. A photog that is under contract with Getty Images took the photos and then Getty is in charge of selling those photos to the highest payor? So, People must have bought exclusive rights to the photos from Getty right?

All 4.1 of that is going to the charity of Brad and Angelina's choice right?

allyray231

06-06-2006, 06:49 AM

http://www.nypost.com/gossip/pagesix/64771.htm

BRAD Pitt and Angelina Jolie got top dollar for the first pictures of baby Shiloh - but they made the weekly celeb glossies work for it. All the weekly magazine editors were summoned to the offices of the Getty photo agency at Canal and Varick late Saturday night. "We were sequestered into separate and un-air-conditioned offices," said one. "The photos were shown to us around 10 p.m. to midnight, and then we had to submit bids by 6 a.m. Sunday morning. No one got any sleep at all, as it was a manic game of phone-tag to top each other's bids. I'm convinced it was Brangie's revenge on the weekly magazines." The pictures went to People for $4.1 million.

KK812

06-06-2006, 06:50 AM

Correct on all accounts, AFAIK, sarahh. I can't believe they sold for that much more than gwen and gavin baby pics!

sarahh

06-06-2006, 06:55 AM

How much did Gwen and Gavin sell for?

sarahh

06-06-2006, 07:20 AM

Not sure how this got out already? I guess People didn't get exclusive rights....

**image removed...just in case the lawyers come knocking!** ;)

Source: ONTD

Notice the ring on Brad's finger?

tlew12778

06-06-2006, 07:24 AM

Could someone from Hello! have taken a picture of a picture?

Anyway that is his right hand and it's his middle finger.

The baby's cute though. That's assuming the picture is real.

Katyanne

06-06-2006, 07:26 AM

The pictures adorable, they lookvery happy together.
I also posted this comment in the celebrity pregnancy thread but Brittney should take some notes on the look of Angelina's supportive undergarment.

;)

Katie

sarahh

06-06-2006, 07:26 AM

Could someone from Hello! have taken a picture of a picture?

Anyway that is his right hand and it's his middle finger.Hee hee...I didn't even notice that!:p

I would think Hello! Magazine would have a serious law suit on their hands if they took a picture of a picture. I doubt they would put themselves in that position.

tlew12778

06-06-2006, 07:34 AM

I don't think that stopped some magazines when Michael Douglas married Catherine Zeta Jones. They did something similar in selling an exclusive. I think it's a matter of figuring out if your sales margin will beat out whatever court ruling is on your fine.

Did any of you see this picture in NY Metro? They said it was fake when they published it:
http://newyorkmetro.com/news/features/brangelina060410_4_198.jpg
from here (http://www.constantchatter.com/showthread.php?p=778166#post778166).

sarahh

06-06-2006, 07:35 AM

I just read on ONTD that People and Hello! are both owned by Time Warner. That may explain why Hello! is publishing the photos too??

nya

06-06-2006, 08:15 AM

"We were sequestered into separate and un-air-conditioned offices," said one. "The photos were shown to us around 10 p.m. to midnight, and then we had to submit bids by 6 a.m. Sunday morning. No one got any sleep at all, as it was a manic game of phone-tag to top each other's bids. I'm convinced it was Brangie's revenge on the weekly magazines
lol I'm glad they made them sweat for the pics! I'm not surprised they got that much for the pics.

TX Sweetheart

06-06-2006, 08:38 AM

Did any of you see this picture in NY Metro? They said it was fake when they published it:

Yeah that does look kinda fake... that doesn't look like Brad at all... And doesn't really look like Angelina either, in the face anyway...

sarahh

06-06-2006, 08:52 AM

Did any of you see this picture in NY Metro? They said it was fake when they published it:
http://newyorkmetro.com/news/features/brangelina060410_4_198.jpg
from here (http://www.constantchatter.com/showthread.php?p=778166#post778166).Didn't they publish those a few months ago? Yeah...the magazine was pretty up front about the fact that they were "fake"...I mean a dramatization! ;)

Rosebud

06-06-2006, 10:04 AM

Saw this posted on another gossip board re: the first photos of Shiloh:

Hello got the British rights to the pics, People got the US rights and Who got the Australian Rights. I think they are all owned by Time-Warner.

Sophia

06-06-2006, 10:05 AM

I think it's awesome that the bidding process was so uncomfortable. :)

miaclear

06-06-2006, 10:56 AM

I can't imagine that the HELLO cover looks like that. It looks like a snapshot and not something professional.

I love the way they made the magazines bid for the pics. Nice :D And I love how they are approaching the whole matter.

meatpie

06-06-2006, 11:40 AM

Like that AJ is wearing a nursing bra!!!

Raven_Girl

06-06-2006, 12:19 PM

I also posted this comment in the celebrity pregnancy thread but Brittney should take some notes on the look of Angelina's supportive undergarment.

;)

Katie

LMAO!!!
Well said!!!

Sophia

06-07-2006, 05:23 AM

Just FYI

Legal war as Brangelina pic leaked

Wednesday, June 7, 2006; Posted: 7:14 a.m. EDT (11:14 GMT)

LONDON, England (Reuters) -- The celebrity magazine Hello! launched legal action on Wednesday against Internet sites that printed a leaked exclusive shot of Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt with their infant daughter.

Just as People magazine announced it had landed exclusive North American rights to the first pictures of the baby, an image of the newborn Shiloh Nouvel Jolie-Pitt and her parents popped up on at least two Web sites as the cover shot for Hello!

"We were very shocked and horrified to see that this embargo has been breached," Juliet Herd feature editor for Hello! Magazine, which sells in Britain, Spain, Turkey, Russia, Dubai, Thailand and Greece, told Reuters.

"Hello! is taking legal action around the world to stop Internet sites and everyone else who may seek to publish," she said. "We are sending out legal 'Cease and Desist' letters to each of these sites."

"It is very difficult to control the Web and this proves how rampantly out of control it is. We have absolutely no idea how the picture was leaked," she said.

The couple announced on Monday that they had agreed to let photo agency Getty Images market pictures of their newborn with all proceeds going to help the less fortunate.

Experts said worldwide rights to the pictures could sell for anywhere from $5 million to $7 million.

The picture surfaced on celebrity-lampooning Defamer.com and the LiveJournal gossip blog.

Defamer.com, whose image portrays the baby in a golden glow, said: "Mere moments after staring upon the Chosen One's image, we felt as if we were bathed in the same golden light that surrounds the infant's still frail form."

Alison Crombie, press spokeswoman in London for Getty Images, told Reuters: "Our legal team are looking into it and we will take it from there. But I really don't think it will devalue the pictures as everyone is dying to see the full set."

"Other deals are still being negotiated," she said.

The baby was born on May 27 in a hospital in the southern African nation of Namibia where an army of paparazzi had descended, hoping to capture their own photos of the child.

For celebrity magazines and photo agencies, there is increasingly cut-throat competition to land exclusives and sate the appetite of readers obsessed by the lives of the stars.

Prices have gone through the roof in the past two or three years and Alan Williams, head of celebrity agency Big Pictures, told Reuters: "The first pictures of Brad and Angelina with the baby are a massive opportunity.

"It is the photo of the year for U.S. magazines -- they are royalty over there. In Britain it would be fantastic for Hello! even though they are not the stars they are in the United States," he told Reuters.

"This is all part of the blog culture where people are stealing pictures from photographers and agencies and putting them on the Internet."

source (http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Movies/06/07/pitt.jolie.reut/index.html)

sarahh

06-07-2006, 06:01 AM

I saw that a couple of the gossip sites were asked to remove the image and planned on coming here to see if I should do the same for the image I posted yesterday?

jennylou

06-07-2006, 06:16 AM

Hee! It's rather amusing that LiveJournal was listed as having been one of the two sources of leaks.:p

That said, it might be best to take down the image. We wouldn't want Constant Chatter to be the next to make an article. ;) B/c you know, we are so on top of gossip here. :D

sarahh

06-07-2006, 06:50 AM

That said, it might be best to take down the image. We wouldn't want Constant Chatter to be the next to make an article. ;) B/c you know, we are so on top of gossip here. :DAll set...I took the image down! If you haven't seen the photo yet I know there are a few gossip sites that still have it up.

kemaji

06-07-2006, 07:05 AM

I missed the photo...does anyone know if it is still up somewhere?

sarahh

06-07-2006, 07:33 AM

I missed the photo...does anyone know if it is still up somewhere?Just sent you a PM.

MrsD108

06-07-2006, 07:46 AM

sarahh, I would also like to see the photo if you would not mind. Thanks

shopgirl

06-07-2006, 07:52 AM

sarahh...I sent you a PM also. Do you mind sharing the photo? :)

sarahh

06-07-2006, 08:08 AM

Just sent you both a PM! ;)

mloveya

06-07-2006, 08:23 AM

Hi all,

Can someone email me the pic? I am dying to see her!!! :)

sarahh

06-07-2006, 09:10 AM

Hi all,

Can someone email me the pic? I am dying to see her!!! :)Just sent you a PM.

Sophia

06-07-2006, 09:45 AM

I feel sucky about being the bearer of the bad news (re: taking down the photo), but I figure better safe than sorry. :o

nixer

06-07-2006, 10:13 AM

A small pic is available on gawker.com, along with the letters back and forth between the lawyers.

Esq.

06-07-2006, 10:17 AM

can someon PM me the pic? I just have to see what she looks like!

tlew12778

06-07-2006, 10:19 AM

There was a video on CNN saying that a magazine cover mock up was floating around that was proven to be fake. They don't show the cover but it sort of sounds like that one...

Sophia

06-07-2006, 10:23 AM

A small pic is available on gawker.com, along with the letters back and forth between the lawyers.

Here's the link:

http://www.gawker.com/news/brangelina/the-battle-of-shiloh-178844.php

Sophia

06-07-2006, 10:28 AM

There are some small photos of AJ and BP post baby at the link. No pix of the baby, though.

Pitt, Jolie deny wedding rumors
Couple makes first appearance since daughter's birth

Wednesday, June 7, 2006; Posted: 1:12 p.m. EDT (17:12 GMT)

SWAKOPMUND, Namibia (AP) -- Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt denied Wednesday that wedding bells are in the air, saying they want to concentrate for now on their newborn daughter and Jolie's two adopted children.

"There is nothing in the air. The focus is the kids, and we are obviously extremely committed to the children and as parents together," Jolie told a news conference for local journalists at a hotel in the Namibian coastal town of Swakopmund. "So that kind of says it for us, and to have a ceremony on top of it is nothing."

It was the movie star couple's first public appearance since Shiloh Nouvel Jolie-Pitt was born May 27 at a private clinic in Walvis Bay. Delivered by Caesarean section, the baby weighed 7 pounds (3.15 kilograms) and was said to be in good health. She was not present at the press conference.

Pitt and Jolie sold rights to images of Shiloh Nouvel through Getty Images photo agency, saying proceeds would be donated to a charity, not yet named.

People magazine paid a reported US$4 million for the right to release the pictures in North America, while Hello! obtained British rights. (Watch when and how the world will see Shiloh's picture -- 2:28)

Pitt and Jolie thanked the government and its people for the privacy they have enjoyed since arriving in the southwest African nation in April.

"We were afforded a peace here that we could not have at home," Pitt said. "It means very much to us, just getting to spend quality time together, to do the things normal families would do."

Jolie, relaxed and smiling in a long black dress, said the couple had sought a place where they could spend some special time with her two adopted children -- 16-month-old Zahara, from Ethiopia, and 4-year-old Maddox, from Cambodia -- before the birth. Both children had their surnames legally changed to Jolie-Pitt after Pitt announced his intention to adopt them as well.

"We both had traveled to Africa and loved this part of the world," she said.

"On top of that, we received amazing health care," Pitt added. "We had absolute top notch medical assistance from the operation crew to the nurses and pediatricians. We couldn't have received anything better in the States."

The couple said they plan to leave Namibia in the next few days, but did not specify a date.

"We are very proud that our daughter was born here, and we leave with fond memories and definitely hungry to return," Pitt said.

Jolie, 30, is a frequent visitor to Africa and serves as goodwill ambassador for the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees.

Namibian officials put tight security around the celebrity couple's hotel and the hospital where their daughter was born, setting up large green barriers on the beach to shield them from photographers and refusing to grant visas to foreign journalists unless they had written permission from Jolie and Pitt to cover the birth.

Deputy Environment and Tourism Minister Leon Jooste warned local journalists before Wednesday's briefing not to ask any "offensive" questions. Foreign reporters were barred from the press conference, which was attended by Namibian First Lady Penexupifo Pohamba and other officials.

Jolie and Pitt were first linked romantically shortly after appearing together in the 2005 movie "Mr. and Mrs. Smith."

Pitt, 42, and actress Jennifer Aniston divorced last year.

Jolie, who won an Oscar for her supporting role in 1999's "Girl, Interrupted," is divorced from Billy Bob Thornton and Jonny Lee Miller.

source (http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Movies/06/07/namibia.jolie.pitt.ap/index.html)

sarahh

06-07-2006, 10:54 AM

People magazine won't be pleased about this either!

The publication went ballistic yesterday after a photo of Brad, Ange and The Baby spread across the Internets faster than Clay Aiken's butt cheeks at a bathhouse.

Now, less than 24 hours later, Brangelina are devaluing People's exclusive, which they paid a reported $4.1 million for, even further.

The new parents posed with Namibian First Nady Penexupifo Pohamba after a press conference held for the Namibian press exclusively in a hotel in the Namibian city of Swakopmund on Wednesday, June 7th.

Angelina and Brad Pitt thanked Namibia on Wednesday for the privacy and peace they enjoyed for the birth of their daughter.

Doesn't Ange look radiant?

Mommy glow!!!http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/shancock/CC%20Album%202/bradandaneginannm.jpg

Source: Perez Hilton (http://www.perezhilton.com/topics/brangelina/brangelinas_first_public_photo_20060607.php)

KK812

06-07-2006, 11:40 AM

oh. my. gosh. Angelina looks unbelievable! She looks fantastic!

sarahh

06-07-2006, 12:18 PM

My first thought...look at those BOOBS! :p

jenahdawn

06-07-2006, 12:32 PM

Can I get a PM, too? (I'm NOT paying $3.99 to buy People.....yeah, if you hadn't read, they are upping the price of just that issue...)

PinkMartini

06-07-2006, 12:38 PM

Can I get a PM, too?

sarahh

06-07-2006, 12:42 PM

Sophia posted a link above to the photo.

$3.99??!! Good thing I have a subscription!

sarahh

06-07-2006, 01:26 PM

More photos of Brad and Angelina at the press conference...

At first I was sooo against those two, but now I just love them. I think they make a fabu couple.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/shancock/brad-angelina-press-conference04.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/shancock/brad-angelina-press-conference02.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/shancock/brad-angelina-press-conference00.jpg

Source: ONTD

cocoa_femme

06-07-2006, 01:47 PM

...faster than Clay Aiken's butt cheeks at a bathhouse.

Ha ha ha ha! This is so funny (wrong, but funny) :D.

maplekitty

06-07-2006, 02:36 PM

She looks great, having just had a baby - unlike recent Katie pics (poor thing :( )

And woah, holy boobage!

greenbunny

06-07-2006, 02:58 PM

Well, here's an interesting perspective from a (paranoid) blogger at Perez:

According to Christian mythology the Anti-Christ will be accepted by Israel as the Messiah (1st coming). Jolie named her the Hebrew word that means just that.

The AC is supposed to be born out of lust and out of wedlock. It will also be physically beautiful so as to easily sway the simple minded and shallow.

The AC is supposed to take over the world under the guise of bringing world peace and uniting the middle east.

Jolie is already into all this goodwill uniting stuff. You know she's going to groom this child for the same thing. She's collecting children from each continent so she can hold political sway there.

Planned c-section are usually planned 7-14 days before the due date. I have no idea if 6/6/06 was Jolie's original due date was today, but it is quite possible. But it is fact the date that the world laid eyes on the baby is 6/6/06.

Sophia

06-07-2006, 03:04 PM

I have to chuckle at that paranoid conspiracy theory. And I'm slightly jealous I didn't think of it first. LOL

miaclear

06-07-2006, 03:31 PM

Now that is funny (and a little scary)

mia's mama

06-07-2006, 07:30 PM

good. god. she looks freakin' amazing. And Shiloh is totally yummy...what a perfect looking little baby.

TracieB

06-07-2006, 07:53 PM

Brad's sure looking kinda skinny, isn't he?

maplekitty

06-07-2006, 07:57 PM

re: shiloh the anti-christ

LOL...wow...now how's that for conspiracy theory?!?!

Smittenk

06-07-2006, 11:41 PM

Brad's sure looking kinda skinny, isn't he?
I was thinking the same thing. He looks kind of haggard/gaunt/tired.

Smittenk

06-08-2006, 01:57 AM

It's now on People.com for all to see!!

http://img.timeinc.net/people/i/2006/startracks/060619/angelina_jolie.jpg

MrsD108

06-08-2006, 05:16 AM

Those are one of the pictures that you just say awww how sweet until hear that it is worth 4 million:eek: but at least a charity will benefit from it.

Esq.

06-08-2006, 05:29 AM

hmm...she looks like a baby to me...not any prettier than any other baby. I am sorry, but part of me hopes that she is not uber attractive. Maybe then the media will leave her alone a little bit.

Kimberland30

06-08-2006, 06:00 AM

Cute.

Although I'll get the mag just to read about the car crash mix up. Sad story.

greenbunny

06-08-2006, 06:03 AM

Chris~n~Jen

06-08-2006, 06:05 AM

You know, I can't help but feel that Brad is really only "in love" with the kids. You see Brad and Angelina doing a lot of things togeather but they never really look affectionate with each other. I don't know, maybe I'm not seeing the right pics. I just kinda feel like he's with Angie because of the kids, ya know.

allyray231

06-08-2006, 06:21 AM

The NYPost had this GREAT picture of Brad holding the baby and kissing her and a close up. Really moving. Of course it isn't on thier website

meganth

06-08-2006, 06:27 AM

Aww!! I love it! The baby looks so tiny. I also love that Angie is looking at Brad in that photo - she looks so content with life and happy.

And i'm sad to see the VanRyn/Cerek story all over national/international news still - they're a local family and all our hearts break for them.

Sophia

06-08-2006, 06:47 AM

My company gets pallets full of newspapers to use as test material in our machinery, and three different papers today had that People pic on the front page with text saying how People got the exclusive. How is it exclusive if they're also running it?

People has exclusive US rights--which means that anyone else who wants to run the photos has to pay People a fee.

hmm...she looks like a baby to me...not any prettier than any other baby.

Same here.

You know, I can't help but feel that Brad is really only "in love" with the kids. You see Brad and Angelina doing a lot of things togeather but they never really look affectionate with each other. I don't know, maybe I'm not seeing the right pics. I just kinda feel like he's with Angie because of the kids, ya know.

I also love that Angie is looking at Brad in that photo - she looks so content with life and happy.

I've noticed many a time that AJ looks at Brad with this "I'm so in love" expression, but I've never seen that expression on his face when he looks at her. I do see it in the pic where he's looking at the baby, and I've seen it when he's with the other two kids. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he's hanging around just for the kids.

babylove

06-08-2006, 07:02 AM

A friend just sent me this link to more pictures:

http://www.teddyandmoo.com/blog/?cat=243

greenbunny

06-08-2006, 07:02 AM

People has exclusive US rights--which means that anyone else who wants to run the photos has to pay People a fee.

Ah, okay, that makes sense.

Yeah, the NYP is one of the papers I saw here.

I don't think either of them seems particularly emotional. They both come across as sensual, but not loving. That's partly why I find them so squicky.

Esq.

06-08-2006, 07:13 AM

greenbunny- I find them "squicky" too ;) I have always found her yucky...just all of the "Billy and I just f****d in the car on the way here" and going on about her relationship with Jenny whatsherface, etc. She just always seemed to be trying too hard to be the sex goddess, IMO. I didn't dislike him until he was with her.

I know that is not a popular opinion in this thread, but I really do think "dirty" when I see her. And I think "dumb" when I see him now.

Sophia

06-08-2006, 07:15 AM

LOL @ "squicky"

Kyrsten, I love you! But you forgot about her smoochfest with her brother. ;)

allyray231

06-08-2006, 07:17 AM

Really? I think when she first came out she was caught up in that strange way of life but now I acutally have a lot of respect for her. Did anyone ever see the Actors Studio with her? Her childhood was crazy and she did a lot of messed up things, but she has taken her status and turned it into something POSITIVE. When I think "drity" I think of Paris Hilton and people like that. Celebes that do nothing with their fame.

I remeber when I saw her interview with Diane Saywer she was laughing and smiling the whole time and just seemed so happy and at peace. People make mistakes in the public eye. I think she has really tired to get her life together.

Now as for Brad, I have never thought he was very bright, but he seems happy. More power to him :)

Sophia

06-08-2006, 07:18 AM

I don't think either of them seems particularly emotional. They both come across as sensual, but not loving.

I have always found her yucky...just all of the "Billy and I just f****d in the car on the way here"

Come to think of it, the expression I was attributing to love looks an awful lot like the post-O afterglow she had right after having sex in the limo with Billy Bob! Ewww!

Esq.

06-08-2006, 07:19 AM

oh, yeah...I did forget to mention that. And the aftermath, when she was like "what?...What was wrong with it?"

Oh, and didn't she say in some interview that she had an eating disorder and was a cutter?

And now she is world trotting humanitarian. Um, okay. Nice segue.

She just seems to need A LOT of attention.

Sophia

06-08-2006, 07:20 AM

Ally, yeah, she still grosses me out. I know she's involved in a lot of good causes now, but she's not someone I'd want to know or hang out with.

meganth

06-08-2006, 07:21 AM

I'm just glad i'm not in the public eye and don't have to deal all the time with people judging me by the person i used to be instead of the person i am now.

allyray231

06-08-2006, 07:27 AM

I'm just glad i'm not in the public eye and don't have to deal all the time with people judging me by the person i used to be instead of the person i am now.

ITA.

There are lots of celebs who had eating disorders and other issues when they were teenagers and also as adults. These people usually help put a face on it. I think that is a good thing.

I guess I can see where you guys are coming from but I just am happy to see a celeb putting their money where their mouth is. She is a UN Goodwill Ambassador. When was the last time you saw Brintey or Paris do something good with their fame?

Sophia

06-08-2006, 07:29 AM

I guess it does seem like I'm judging her solely on her past, but she still seems to have a need for thrill-seeking and attention, and that's what I don't like about her.

Sophia

06-08-2006, 07:31 AM

When was the last time you saw Brintey or Paris do something good with their fame?

I don't like them either. ;)

allyray231

06-08-2006, 07:32 AM

I guess it does seem like I'm judging her solely on her past, but she still seems to have a need for thrill-seeking and attention, and that's what I don't like about her.

I can understand that.

Esq.

06-08-2006, 07:36 AM

ITA with Sophia. She needs way too much attention for my tastes. And I do not like Paris or Bit Bit either.

She said those things in order to create an image. She is not stupid. She intended for me to judge her. I am just giving her what she wants ;)

Katyanne

06-08-2006, 07:57 AM

TrulyBlessed

06-08-2006, 08:07 AM

I still don't like AJ & BP together but I do respect all the generous work they are doing. And I am LOVING this picture of BP & Shiloh.

http://i6.tinypic.com/122yhwn.jpg

tlew12778

06-08-2006, 08:17 AM

Where did yo find that pic? I'd like to see the rest of the pics online somewhere if they're up. Thanks!

ilovepink

06-08-2006, 08:23 AM

She definitely has her mom's lips. Those pictures are adorable.

tlew Someone posted a link on the previous page.

Islandbride1025

06-08-2006, 08:29 AM

but she still seems to have a need for thrill-seeking and attention, and that's what I don't like about her.

Imagine all of the attention they would have gotten had they just stayed in LA and had the baby. It seems to me they are trying to avoid attention and that's why you never see them photographed kissing/holding hands.

In her defense, when alot of that crazy stuff happend she was in her early to mid 20's. I mean haven't you done crazy stuff at that age or you've done stuff when you were in a relationship with someone and you look back now and cringe or realize how crazy those stunts were?

Add me to the list, I've done things I would NEVER tell my husband or would want my children to know, but I'm not that same girl now.

BooeyJ2

06-08-2006, 09:42 AM

Those pictures are beautiful and all 3 of them look great :)

Sophia

06-08-2006, 09:47 AM

Imagine all of the attention they would have gotten had they just stayed in LA and had the baby. It seems to me they are trying to avoid attention and that's why you never see them photographed kissing/holding hands.

Their seclusion also helped fuel the media obsession with getting the first images. Not only did the photos sell for a carzy amount of money (that they're donating), but media coverage of the photo bidding process/rights issues has also been pretty heavy. Attention. Just on their (very controlled) terms.

allyray231

06-08-2006, 09:52 AM

I do think they are a tad "high" on themselves and feel like they are so much better then others in a way.

kedzieb

06-08-2006, 10:48 AM

I do think they are a tad "high" on themselves and feel like they are so much better then others in a way.

I'm not sure where you're getting that. I've never heard either of them claim to be better. I do think the media reports their charitable work a lot - but that might be since it's so extensive it's a huge part of their lives. I'd assume I'd be proud of my charity work if it was so extensive too.

I for one think even if it's partly done for attention - which I'm not sure of - they do great things with their fame, money and time. Being a celebrity is about getting attention anyway. What's the alternative to their charity work? Sitting in a hotel room bitching? Getting into fights with papparazzi? Shopping? Crashing cars? Getting married 3 times before 30?

Anyway - those photos of them with Shiloh are adorable. They all look so happy together.

Islandbride1025

06-08-2006, 10:49 AM

Now that their pictures have gone for such much $$$$$, I'm sure Tom is trying to figure out how he can have his baby's pics outbid theirs.

Now he's an attention grabbing/needy individual.

allyray231

06-08-2006, 10:53 AM

kedzieb I guess it is just the whole-go to a whole other country to have our baby because we don't want to have to deal. In a way I totally undrestand but just seems like they think a lot of themselves. That is all. Or maybe I am just tired of the media coverage.

Hangin'in

06-08-2006, 11:00 AM

I thought Maddox wanted his baby sister to be born in Africa. I don't think either of them want all the attention the media gives them..... but we want all the gossip.... we want to see their every move...and the media is is willing to give it to us because it makes them money. I never saw them going to Namibia to have the baby as a way to not *deal* with the media. They found a place that would give them privacy and sanctuary...... something they could not get anywhere else, especially in a liberal media grubby place like the US. Hell, I'd go too if I was AJ and BP.

tlew12778

06-08-2006, 11:09 AM

I think they were completely justified in leaving the country. I mean, look at all the attention the photos have gotten. Can you imagine what that would have been like had they been in the US? There is no way they would have enjoyed the same seclusion they got in Namibia in the US.

On a different note, did anyone else notice how Maddox is missing from the 6 pics they sold? Odd that they didn't include one family portrait.

Rose

06-08-2006, 11:19 AM

I thought Maddox wanted his baby sister to be born in Africa.

He's 4. The decision shouldn't be up to him.

Sophia

06-08-2006, 11:36 AM

On a different note, did anyone else notice how Maddox is missing from the 6 pics they sold? Odd that they didn't include one family portrait.

I did notice that.

Rose

06-08-2006, 11:41 AM

I noticed Maddox is missing as well. When will he turn 5? He must be ready to settle down soon and start Kindegarten. I bet he would like to have some friends instead of always moving around.

I think it's been great that Maddox has seen so much of the world but I think he is getting to an age where he needs to be home more.

stevesbabygirl

06-08-2006, 12:18 PM

Does anyone else think that Brad's hand looks like a bad Photoshop job in that People cover page? It just looks weird, like there's an abrupt cutoff.

MaineBelle

06-08-2006, 12:39 PM

Do you think Jen will look at these pictures? I think that picture in post #125 would be tough for her to see.

jbenny75

06-08-2006, 01:13 PM

She's a cute baby..but I think with all of their cash they could have found a cuter outfit for her to wear for the pics. It kind of looks like a ratty-shirt/sweats ensemble.

savannahgrl

06-08-2006, 01:43 PM

She's a cute baby..but I think with all of their cash they could have found a cuter outfit for her to wear for the pics. It kind of looks like a ratty-shirt/sweats ensemble.

How funny, my mom said the same thing this morning. Mom thought it looked like boys clothes. I agree with you. You would think that they could have picked out something a little cuter.

When I saw the pictures, I thought about Jennifer too. I can't imagine what it must feel like for her seeing those pictures.

BooeyJ2

06-08-2006, 04:43 PM

She's a cute baby..but I think with all of their cash they could have found a cuter outfit for her to wear for the pics. It kind of looks like a ratty-shirt/sweats ensemble.

That shirt costs about $40. Ratty or not, it's just their style. Maddox is also dressed pretty "punk", so i'm guessing they didn't want some froo-froo ruffles and lace dress for Shiloh. We all know Angelina isn't the "pink/girly" type and maybe she's steering away from that for Shiloh as well. To each their own :) I personally think it's cute.

Here is the actual tee....
http://www.maxandmaudes.com/product2397.html&return=designer

If it wasn't $40 (tops $20) I would totally get it for my DD.

Raven_Girl

06-08-2006, 05:14 PM

I still don't like AJ & BP together but I do respect all the generous work they are doing. And I am LOVING this picture of BP & Shiloh.

The pic of Brad and Shiloh made me cry!!!

Raven_Girl

06-08-2006, 05:23 PM

In her defense, when alot of that crazy stuff happend she was in her early to mid 20's. I mean haven't you done crazy stuff at that age or you've done stuff when you were in a relationship with someone and you look back now and cringe or realize how crazy those stunts were?

She has mentioned several times that the minute she met Maddox and he entered her life being a mother really centered her and helped her realize that there was more to life then just being a wild child. It brought everything into perspective for her.

I'm very happy for her and BP and I truly hope that things work out for them.

Katie

I remember Angelina doing interviews back when she did Gia and won the Oscar and I will admit she was off her rocker. But since she adopted Maddox she's not as crazy. Yeah I think she will always be a thrill seeker and there's nothing wrong with that but the woman we saw with Billy Bob seem to have disappeared. I loved when she first adopted Maddox she didnt have a nanny for the longest time. She was really hands on. I just remember her plaing with baby Maddox in the park and you knew something was different about her.

Tonysweetie

06-08-2006, 06:09 PM

That pic was adorable!

jbenny75

06-08-2006, 07:08 PM

We all know Angelina isn't the "pink/girly" type and maybe she's steering away from that for Shiloh as well. To each their own

You wouldn't necessarily have to go pink/girly/frilly dress to have a nicer outfit on the baby. I wouldn't pay $10 for that outfit. You're right saying "To each their own," however the purpose of the thread is to comment on Brangelina. That's my comment.

Kimberland30

06-08-2006, 07:18 PM

baby Shiloh is so adorable. She has her dad's eyes and her mom's lips.

greenbunny

06-08-2006, 07:58 PM

I can't help but think this kid is going to look bizarre as she ages. Both her parents have really strong, noticable features. If she inherits all of them, she's going to look like a Mr. Potato Head.

BooeyJ2

06-08-2006, 08:03 PM

You wouldn't necessarily have to go pink/girly/frilly dress to have a nicer outfit on the baby. I wouldn't pay $10 for that outfit. You're right saying "To each their own," however the purpose of the thread is to comment on Brangelina. That's my comment.

No one ever said you couldn't.

All I was saying was that everyone has different taste and different fashion senses. Maybe they didn't want to be like everyone else and put their daughter in typical "baby" outfits.

Either way, who cares. They are a gorgeous family and Shiloh would look adorable even if she was in a burlap sack :)

jesvet

06-08-2006, 09:31 PM

The outfit totally looks like something AJ would pick- kinda funky and punk.

They are a gorgeous family and Shiloh would look adorable even if she was in a burlap sack.

Very true!

IrishMeg

06-09-2006, 05:35 AM

meganth

06-09-2006, 05:36 AM

Even if she ends up having Angies lips, she's lot going to have Angies huge lips unless she has some kind of surgical help.

Esq.

06-09-2006, 05:41 AM

I think she is BP from the nose up. The only thing I see of AJ's is the mouth, which I have always thought is a little freaky. So I am picturing BP with AJ's mouth...not pretty.

Sophia

06-09-2006, 06:19 AM

I can't help but think this kid is going to look bizarre as she ages. Both her parents have really strong, noticable features. If she inherits all of them, she's going to look like a Mr. Potato Head.

Totally. Their features almost make them look like caricatures of themselves. Most people can only handle one or two really strong, unusual features--if Shiloh gets all of them--eek!

Ali

06-09-2006, 06:50 AM

It's hard to know what she will look like. I totally see AJ's eyes, nose, and mouth when I look at Shiloh! I guess time will tell.

greenbunny

06-09-2006, 06:52 AM

A poster on ONTD researched Angie's new tattoos that are covering her old "Billy Bob" tattoo, and they are the longitudes and latitudes of Maddox and Zahara's birth countries.

I'm only going to post the link, because there are pictures. This person is really on the ball, great research.

http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/7084245.html#cutid1

Also, here's a negative article about their stay in Namibia and how they manipulated the goverment:

http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/printable/327/

TX Sweetheart

06-09-2006, 07:59 AM

That is a really neat & unique idea for a tattoo!

cocopops

06-09-2006, 08:02 AM

That is a really neat & unique idea for a tattoo!

yeah it makes me feel almost stupid... ?

ThreeYell

06-09-2006, 09:11 AM

[delurking] My People just arrived and now I understand what the $4.1 million was for. It's for the gorgeous picture of Zahara! Shiloh's pretty cute but she's got a long way to go to catch up with big sister. [/relurking]

Smittenk

06-09-2006, 09:21 AM

BAMZ Set to Return to US

Brad Pitt, Angelina Jolie and their three children will be moving back to Malibu, and the word is they're coming this weekend.

The $9 million Malibu estate has been buzzing with workers this week. They're finishing off the security system, which includes an elaborate set of cameras pointing in every direction.

Most telling, TMZ is told that yesterday a white van arrived at the house and delivered a "massive amount of liquor." As one eyewitness says, it was: "magnums of everything."

The word from the crew is that the famous couple and their kids are arriving this weekend. A cleaning crew has been working feverishly this week and construction workers have been there seven days a week.

As one eyewitness tells TMZ, the entire house is set up for kids. Before the couple left for Namibia, the tennis court was tented and converted into a giant playroom -- especially for Maddox's 4-wheel toys. The party tent was taken down after they left, but this week it was put back up.

As for accommodations in the four bedroom house, Brad and Angelina have the master suite, and each uses a bedroom for an office. That leaves one bedroom left for Maddox, Zahara and baby Shiloh. We're told there is baby furniture in that fourth room, but the word is that Shiloh will sleep in the master suite with Brad and Angelina.

The joke at the house is that all of Brads expensive art is now up, along with his other pricey furnishings and everyone there "is wondering what he's going to do when the kids start destroying it."

We're told there will be a heavy presence of guards 24/7, but there's still a problem. It's a glass house -- literally -- and the paparazzi have a clean view from the ocean, where they often kayak. A solution to this issue has not been figured out yet.

A few days ago, a construction worker at Pitt's estate in the East Hollywood Hills became ill, and the paparazzi showed up with the ambulance. One member of the construction crew told TMZ it was obvious the paparazzi were monitoring emergency frequencies and launched when they heard the address.

We're told the Jolie-Pitts plan to eventually make the East Hollywood estate their primary residence, but it's nowhere near complete. The kitchen, for one, is still being designed.

Source: TMZ

Sophia

06-09-2006, 09:28 AM

Most telling, TMZ is told that yesterday a white van arrived at the house and delivered a "massive amount of liquor." As one eyewitness says, it was: "magnums of everything."

Massive amounts of liquor? :confused:

Smittenk

06-09-2006, 09:34 AM

For those who haven't seen the pics, I just posted some here
http://www.constantchatter.com/showthread.php?p=786232&posted=1#post786232post786232

Raven_Girl

06-09-2006, 11:06 AM

Massive amounts of liquor? :confused:

A party or just refilling the bar.

Astara

06-09-2006, 11:32 AM

I love the cover picture. It's so sweet how Angelina is looking at Brad while he's looking at their new baby. Awww!

greenbunny

06-09-2006, 11:42 AM

A party or just refilling the bar.

Or a wedding? ;)

Rose

06-09-2006, 11:47 AM

As for accommodations in the four bedroom house, Brad and Angelina have the master suite, and each uses a bedroom for an office. That leaves one bedroom left for Maddox, Zahara and baby Shiloh.

Cozy. Maybe Angelina & Brad could share an office so Zahara & Maddox could have their own room.

It's so sweet how Angelina is looking at Brad while he's looking at their new baby.

LOL. I was thinking it really showed the dynamic of the family. Brad is in love with the kids, and Angelina is staring at Brad. Not to imply that she doesn't love her kids, I just don't see the connection between them. To me it's just sex & kids.

savannahgrl

06-09-2006, 11:57 AM

LOL. I was thinking it really showed the dynamic of the family. Brad is in love with the kids, and Angelina is staring at Brad. Not to imply that she doesn't love her kids, I just don't see the connection between them. To me it's just sex & kids.

That was my thoughts too.

bensgirl1222

06-09-2006, 12:00 PM

maplekitty

06-09-2006, 12:05 PM

I think someone else mentioned this, but where the heck is Maddox in those pics????

Rose

06-09-2006, 12:14 PM

I think someone else mentioned this, but where the heck is Maddox in those pics????

I think he & Jen A. had the hardest year. :) They went through the most changes. I wonder if he is jealous of the baby or something. It is pretty odd that he isn't in one picture. Maybe he's old enough to not want to be???

tlew12778

06-10-2006, 02:51 AM

Cozy. Maybe Angelina & Brad could share an office so Zahara & Maddox could have their own room. I dunno... I don't find it that weird that they share a room still. DH shared a bedroom with his sister till he was 10 I believe (she's 2 years younger). And the ILS had an extra BR for her... MIL just wanted them to share for some reason. I'm sure AJ has her reasons for making them share still (other than wanting/needing her own office). My guess is that eventually Zahara will have to share with Shiloh (well unless they move to a bigger house, which I don't think is necessary).

Raven_Girl

06-10-2006, 08:07 AM

I dunno... I don't find it that weird that they share a room still. DH shared a bedroom with his sister till he was 10 I believe (she's 2 years younger). And the ILS had an extra BR for her... MIL just wanted them to share for some reason. I'm sure AJ has her reasons for making them share still (other than wanting/needing her own office). My guess is that eventually Zahara will have to share with Shiloh (well unless they move to a bigger house, which I don't think is necessary).

I know I shared a room with my brother for the longest time. Maybe for Zahara its a comfort thing. Instead of a HUGE house they keep close knit and normal.

Rosebud

06-10-2006, 07:31 PM

They're back in California!

Link to a bunch of photos of Zahara and Maddox with their nanny in Malibu 6-10-06 (http://uselesssn12345.livejournal.com/1117.html)

jbenny75

06-11-2006, 06:39 AM

Wow- that's the first I've ever seen them with a nanny. I didn't think they had one. Not judging either way, just saying....

Rose

06-11-2006, 08:54 AM

Wow- that's the first I've ever seen them with a nanny. I didn't think they had one. Not judging either way, just saying....

I *think* the nanny was also with them in Africa. I think she was in some of the family pictures in People while Angelina was still pregnant.

Chris~n~Jen

06-11-2006, 09:06 AM

I *think* the nanny was also with them in Africa. I think she was in some of the family pictures in People while Angelina was still pregnant.

I remember that also. It seems like they've had the nanny for a while. They just don't leave it up to the nanny to raise their children like some celebs do.

Sophia

06-11-2006, 09:34 AM

Still no sign of Maddox?

meganth

06-11-2006, 09:36 AM

Still no sign of Maddox?
He's the one riding around in the silver toy car, with what appears to be a mini mullet.

Sophia

06-11-2006, 09:37 AM

OMG, I'm going blind. :o

Rose

06-11-2006, 09:40 AM

Maddox is in a couple of the photos in the link that Rosebud posted above. He is driving the little car. You have to look close, I missed him at first.

meganth

06-11-2006, 09:44 AM

OMG, I'm going blind. :o
Na, your mind was probably trying to block out the mohawk/mullet combo he seems to be sporting. That kid is so freaking cute - but WTH is going on with his hair?!

cocopops

06-11-2006, 01:41 PM

wow it looks like Zahara is walking now! What a cutie :D and woah Maddox has a mini toy porche sweet!! The Nanny looks familiar...

Rosebud

06-16-2006, 09:06 PM

Angelina Jolie: 'Terrified' During Birth

Friday Jun 16, 2006 7:20pm EST

Angelina Jolie, in her first U.S. interview since Shiloh Nouvel was born last month, says she was frightening during her daughter's birth.

"You know, because you're there for the birth, which I wasn't for my first two kids, you're just suddenly terrified that they're not gonna take a first breath," the actress says in an interview to air Tuesday on CNN's Anderson Cooper 360, "That was my whole focus. I just wanted to hear her cry."

Jolie's two other children, 16-month-old Zahara and 4-year-old Maddox, are adopted.

Jolie also praises the medical team in Namibia who helped in the delivery – and says Brad Pitt was by her side during the birth.

"He was in the operating room," she says in excerpts of the interview released to the Associated Press. "And we had amazing doctors. And everybody was so lovely."

Jolie, 31, and Pitt, 42, are back in the United States, with their three children. Pitt is in the process of adopting Maddox and Zahara.

Jolie, who sat for the interview in honor of World Refugee Day, tells Cooper that she gives a third of her income to charity: "Yeah, well, I had a stupid income for what I do," she jokes.

source: People Magazine

ilovepink

06-19-2006, 08:10 AM

Angelina Jolie: I'll Adopt Another Child

http://img.timeinc.net/people/i/2006/news/060703/angelina_jolie.jpg

Angelina Jolie, in her first U.S. interview since daughter Shiloh Nouvel was born last month, says she will adopt another child.

"Next, we'll adopt," the actress says in an interview to air Tuesday on CNN's Anderson Cooper 360, the New York Post reports.

Jolie's two other children, 4-year-old Maddox and 16-month-old Zahara, were adopted from Cambodia and Ethiopia, respectively.

Her next child will be from another country, she says, although she hasn't decided which one or whether she's hoping to adopt a boy or a girl. "It's going to be the balance of what would be the best for Mad and for Z right now," she tells Cooper.

Jolie also admits she was terrified during Shiloh's birth, praises her medical team in Namibia and says Brad Pitt was by her side. "He was in the operating room. And we had amazing doctors. And everybody was so lovely."

Jolie, 31, and Pitt, 42, are back in the United States with their three children. Pitt is in the process of adopting Maddox and Zahara.

According to the Post, Jolie tells Cooper she's inspired by the people she helps in her role as UN Goodwill Ambassador.

"You think, 'Jesus, the things these people go through,' " she says. "I owe it to all of them to get myself together and stop whining about being tired and get there and get focused because, God, it's the least I can do with what they live with."

source (http://celebrity.aol.com/people/ataol/articles/0,26618,1205441,00.html)

cocopops

06-19-2006, 09:55 AM

Well gosh I hope they are not planning to adopt very soon :confused: They just adopted Zahara and they just had shiloh! I give it to them for taking care of there children but maybe the best would be to wait at least 1 to 2 yrs before throwing another kid into the mix especially for the kids so they can at least adjust to the change etc. I don't know I hate to sound so judgemental and all and like i said I give them soooooo much credit for doing all that they do but wow.

greenbunny

06-19-2006, 10:44 AM

She's a collector.

MsPeachy

06-19-2006, 10:48 AM

She's a collector. That is an exceedingly disturbing thought.

Sophia

06-19-2006, 11:18 AM

She's a collector.

Yep. And the map coordinate tattoos just underscore that.

bellabonga

06-19-2006, 12:15 PM

Greenbunny and Sophia, I sooo agree with you on that! Although it´s a good thing when celebrities adopt, I think for now she should focus on the children she has.
Btw, has anyone ever seen a picture of Zahara smiling? I always wonder why she looks so discontented on every picture.

Raven_Girl

06-19-2006, 01:07 PM

Sophia

06-19-2006, 01:12 PM

Yeah, it's her life, but it's also the lives of the 3 kids she already has (even though she only mentioned "what would be the best for Mad and for Z right now").

bellabonga

06-19-2006, 01:27 PM

Its obvious she loves her kids, so if she wants to adopt 100 kids thats her business because she can afford it. Too many kids who needs homes and she's helping in her own way. Now people are pissy because she's thinking about adopting again? Its no different from a woman in Iowa giving birth to twins and then say i can't wait to have another. Or like Britney who barely waited 2 months before getting pregnant again. Hell its their life.
I have to disagree. Just because she can afford it doesn´t mean that it´s best for the children she already has. Those kids need parents, not money. With her money she can found orphanages. But I think it´s already tough to divide her time between three small children who all have needs and I don´t understand why she would want to add another one so soon.

Raven_Girl

06-19-2006, 01:31 PM

I have to disagree. Just because she can afford it doesn´t mean that it´s best for the children she already has. Those kids need parents, not money. With her money she can found orphanages. But I think it´s already tough to divide her time between three small children who all have needs and I don´t understand why she would want to add another one so soon.
Like I said in my last post 'its obvious she loves her kids'. Anyone who sees her with those kids knows she loves them and just want to love more. If I could I would do the same thing.

Esq.

06-19-2006, 02:07 PM

silentbunny

06-19-2006, 04:02 PM

I think she just likes the attention. Everything she does, she does for attention. I don't see adopting a bunch of children any differently. She is in love with the process, just like people fall in love with planning a wedding, and all that comes along with it.

Really? Is this based on personal experience with Ms. Jolie? How is it you speak with such authority on the subject?

greenbunny

06-19-2006, 04:24 PM

I just love how, in threads whose purpose are nothing but fourth-hand stories and conjecture, when someone gets pissed about something said about their pet celeb, they start demanding scientific proof.

silentbunny

06-19-2006, 04:48 PM

Don't you just?

I love how people who know nothing about me think they know who my favorite celeb is. I *heart* that.

I have no strong personal feelings about AJ or any other celeb, for that matter (with the exception of Paris Hilton, who seems to be a complete waste of oxygen -- but that's neither here nor there). I usually agree with Kyrsten and find her quite clever. I just don't understand why people are up in arms over someone who has the money and the will to give a lot of orphaned kids a family. I can think of worse characteristics for a human to possess. Stating that she does it because of attention, in an authoritative manner, seems off. It is one thing to say it seems like such and such does so and so. This was something else. I identified it as such.

Sophia

06-19-2006, 04:56 PM

Who said anyone was "up in arms" about it? It's a celebrity gossip thread. Snark is to be expected.

Esq.

06-19-2006, 05:03 PM

I wasn't trying to be authoritative. I started my post with "I think". Maybe I should have started every sentence with "I think", but I thought that might be a tad repetitive.

And I stand by it, as it is my opinion. I don't think anyone in this thread has said anything about AJ and BP that was based on personal experience.

How is this:

Anyone who sees her with those kids knows she loves them and just want to love more.

said with any less authority than what I said?

greenbunny

06-19-2006, 05:20 PM

"A random" celeb doesn't have quite the same punch as "pet", but anyway you are hardly the first or the last person to make such a mention.

I'm hardly up in arms, as Sophia said, but why do I snark about this issue? Mostly, the timing. Birthing/adopting a baker's dozen children is great for whoever wants them and can afford them, but why at light speed? She adopted Maddox a while ago, but Zaharah and Shiloh are pretty darned close together, and if she's planning on having more in the time frame the mags are implying, that's awfully quick. (If that's not the time frame, then, we have nothing more to go on anyway--hence, the whole gossip thing.) Moving around willy nilly and introducing new family members so fast has got to be hard on the kids. Hell, I didn't even get a second cat for almost a year after we got the first one, just so she would adjust well.

Then again, there is the consideration that Shiloh was an accident, despite their implication that she was intentional.

imagirliegirl

06-19-2006, 05:25 PM

Jolie, who sat for the interview in honor of World Refugee Day, tells Cooper that she gives a third of her income to charity: "Yeah, well, I had a stupid income for what I do," she jokes.

You gotta respect her for all of the good work she does with her money.

I don't know what the issue would be about her adopting another child. Even if she began the process now wouldn't it take awhile? It's not like you can adopt over night.

Besides, I don't see how it's any different than regular people who pop out kid after kid. Or people who have quints. At least she has the means to support them. Better than people who have tons of kids they can't afford...

Sophia

06-19-2006, 05:30 PM

I don't know what the issue would be about her adopting another child. Even if she began the process now wouldn't it take awhile? It's not like you can adopt over night.

It can be very fast depending on which country the adoption takes place in and how much money you have.

majorgal

06-19-2006, 07:06 PM

I have a good friend who has adopted a child internationally. It took years. The sentiment in the international adoptive community (from my friend's perspective) is that she was able to adopt maddox and Zahara very quickly because of her celebrity. And, it is recommended that there be good stability in the home--not moving too much, don't adopt too closely, etc. To me, this is common sense.

However, I get the sense that AJ has chosen to adopt because she wants to give these children homes...the notion of her being a 'collector'? I don't buy it. Clearly, I have no basis of 'proof', but I think her intentions are good. Hell, if I had the resources I would be adopting dozens of kids, too.

MsPeachy

06-20-2006, 04:32 AM

Btw, has anyone ever seen a picture of Zahara smiling? I always wonder why she looks so discontented on every picture. I think I saw maybe one. But I was wondering, maybe Zahara is one of those very serious children. It's hard to know what she went through prior to her adoption and maybe it left an impression on her.

meganth

06-20-2006, 05:16 AM

Maybe i missed it, but did she say she was planning on adopting another baby next week?

chefker

06-20-2006, 05:46 AM

Also, here's a negative article about their stay in Namibia and how they manipulated the goverment:

http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/printable/327/

Finally got a chance to read this article....rather disturbing how two celebs basically shut down a country so they could have their privacy. I don't blame them for WANTING privacy, but Brangie having say on who could/couldn't enter Namibia? Insane. I don't think even Queen Elizabeth would have that much 'pull'.

Hangin'in

06-20-2006, 09:16 AM

Maybe i missed it, but did she say she was planning on adopting another baby next week?

I was going to ask that very question. I don't think she said she and brad would be adopting ASAP...... but it is something she will do. She talked about that when she was pregnant...... but if she does adopt ASAP, so what? My parents adopted me, then my sister exactly 1 years and 3 days apart, at birth. Then a couple of months later they found out they were pregnant...... we are all 1 year apart.... it wasn't something I remember having to adjust to. It's just how it was.

Esq.

06-20-2006, 09:35 AM

I guess I see it in the same way I view one of my friends. She just had her fourth child, and in the course of the conversation I had congratuling her on this child, she was talking about the next one. She did the same thing with number 2 and number 3. I just don't understand why she can't enjoy the one she has for now...without planning the next. It seems like an obsession...an enjoyment of the process...and once the process is over, she is itching to start it again.

AJ just had a baby 2 weeks ago. She is already telling Anderson Cooper that she and BP are deciding which country they want to adopt from next. They are already planning the next one, instead of spending more than 2 weeks basking in awe of this one. And they kind of did the same with Zahara, if this pg was planned.

Some people think it is just fine. I don't. I just don't think it is a great idea to have back to back children naturally, adopt children in a fast progression, etc. It could be traumatic, especially on an adopted child that is already making a lot of adjustments as it is. (Maddox and Zahara were not new born when they were adopted, were they? I think that makes it even harder for them to adjust bc they have a heightened sense of awareness of the changes that they are being subjected to)

I think it is more important to try to protect and nurture to the greatest extent possible (for AJ and BP) the ones that they already have before trying to adopt one kid from each regioon of Africa. AS someone else said, AJ and BP can do better than adopt them all. They can create orphanages, they can create schools, they can create a whole network of support for orphaned kids without adopting them in rapid succession.

I have no problem with AJ and BP adopting another child, but I think that they should wait a bit before they do.

nylons73

06-20-2006, 09:51 AM

I wish Angie had room to adopt each and every child who needs her. With her generous heart and kind spirit, there is no doubt that children raised by such a wonderful mother, are going to turn out to be outstanding citizens of the world. I hope she continues to adopt as many as her finances will allow!

To answer someone's question, baby Zahara was nearly newborn when she was adopted. Not that it matters. I believe her mother and father had died of AIDS and that she was an orphan. If I remember correctly she was no more than 6 months old. The circumstances Zahara came out of, I consider traumatic. I think it pales in comparison to any possible 'trauma' the little girl might feel when she gets a new brother or sister in a short span of time.

What a lovely, interesting and diverse family! :)

meganth

06-20-2006, 09:55 AM

AJ just had a baby 2 weeks ago. She is already telling Anderson Cooper that she and BP are deciding which country they want to adopt from next. They are already planning the next one, instead of spending more than 2 weeks basking in awe of this one. And they kind of did the same with Zahara, if this pg was planned.
I guess i'm waiting to see if Anderson asked if they'd be adopting/having more eventually and she responded or she came out and said we'll be adopting/birthing 25 more in the next year.

Esq.

06-20-2006, 10:14 AM

meganth I see your point, but I think that you are missing mine. That they are already picking out the country of the next child seems a bit obsessive to me. Your exaggeration (that they would be adopting 25 more in the next year) misses the point that I am making. I do not understand why they would already be planning the next one, when Shiloh for sure is just barely here, and Zahara could be classified as such as well.

In addition, I have to be fair and say that it really irks me that a person with her issues was able to adopt in the first place, when there are so many people who are found to be not fit. Her money made people forget about her issues, and no one has questioned whether she was fit to be a parent. Apparently, money is all it takes to make one fit to raise a child.

Sophia

06-20-2006, 10:16 AM

I just don't understand why she can't enjoy the one she has for now...without planning the next. It seems like an obsession...an enjoyment of the process...and once the process is over, she is itching to start it again.

That's what bothers me about it, too.

chefker

06-20-2006, 10:22 AM

Sophia, I'll third that. Babies just change and grow SO fast--especially newborns. And both Zahara and Maddox are still at an age where they are both changing every day also.

If it were me, I'd want to revel in my family as it is--without making any intentional additions to is right away.

Regarding status/money helping the adoption process for AJ--yeah...there's a big outcry in the international adoption community that because of AJ's celebrity status and wealth, she's given the 'express line' to adopting, where other eligible families have to wait; those families are starting to feel that they are 'not as important' as AJ since they don't have the celebrity status. I can see how those families might feel that way.

miaclear

06-20-2006, 10:35 AM

My only issue is with her comment about which country, race, gender she wants next. To me that sounds like collecting. But I honestly believe Brangie love their children and to have them so close in age, to me, isn't a bad thing. These are little kids, they adjust a lot faster than if they were say 7 or 8.

Islandbride1025

06-20-2006, 11:40 AM

Originally posted by Kyrsten
Her money made people forget about her issues, and no one has questioned whether she was fit to be a parent. Apparently, money is all it takes to make one fit to raise a child.

What issues do you mean? Not meaning it snarky, just curious.

Sophia

06-20-2006, 11:50 AM

What issues do you mean? Not meaning it snarky, just curious.

AJ has a reputation/history of being emotionally unstable and wild.

Esq.

06-20-2006, 12:12 PM

Well, I just went to Wikipedia, and I found this:
In an interview with CNN's Anderson Cooper (to air June 20, 2006), Jolie revealed that she and Pitt would be adopting another child within a week (from June 19th). The sex or location of the child are still unknown at this point.

So, yeah, she IS adopting a kid within a month of giving birth to Shiloh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelina_Jolie

What issues do you mean? Not meaning it snarky, just curious.

She has stated that she was a cutter. IIRC, she has stated that she attempted suicide and had an eating disorder.

She clearly had a need to flaunt her sexuality in not so great ways, as evidenced by her telling a reporter that she and Billy Bob Thorton had "f*cked in the limo on the way here." They wore vials of each other's blood, for pete's sake.

She kissed her brother in a questionable manner on the red carpet, and then announced in her acceptance speech that she was "so in love with her brother right now."

She was able to adopt Zahara as a single parent. I don't think that happens very often.

She is bisexual. Now, let me be clear and state that I think that this has nothing to do with whether she should be allowed to adopt a child. But many states and countries will not allow gay couples to adopt. But a bisexual single woman with a ton of money is okay. She fits in the loophole. (Again, IMO, gay couples should be allowed to adopt in every state and country).

There is more that I am sure that I am missing. Someone will pick up my slack, I am sure.

I just don't see how all of these issues just magically disappeared when she adopted Maddox. And I don't think money made these issues go away, as she has had money her entire life.

I see this UN and adoptive mom thing as the role that she is playing now.

savannahgrl

06-20-2006, 12:22 PM

She has also admitted to being bipolar. I was in grad school at the time that she announced it and many students used her for their abnormal psych reports. We had to use a famous personality.

http://www.psychiatric-disorders.com/bipolar/index.php

chefker

06-20-2006, 12:22 PM

I think it's really interesting that AJ is playing the role of Grendel's Mother in Beowulf.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0442933/

Even better....Crispin Glover stars as Grendel!

allyray231

06-20-2006, 12:30 PM

I don't know. Having children can really change a person. I am willing to give her the benefit of the doubt.

I do have a feeling she gave birth to a child more for Brad and now feels guilty and wants to adopt.

Raven_Girl

06-20-2006, 12:42 PM

I think she just likes the attention. Everything she does, she does for attention. I don't see adopting a bunch of children any differently. She is in love with the process, just like people fall in love with planning a wedding, and all that comes along with it.

No I think you're wrong about that. She's changed alot since her crazy Billy Bob days.

Esq.

06-20-2006, 12:46 PM

How does adopting a child change a bipolar disorder? How can it change the underlying problems that led her to cut, etc?

As far as her "wild, Billy Bob days", she adopted Maddox during that time.

meganth

06-20-2006, 12:50 PM

I swear we had this same exact discussion in this thread last week.

allyray231

06-20-2006, 12:52 PM

OK I am sure she is not the ONLY PERSON to ever have a child and have a disorder. By change her I mean be more settled and more loving a life.

Plus why is what she doing such a bad thing???? I mean it would be great if other people whuldo adopt these children-because other people are not going to do it. Why is it so bad that she wants to help?

msnicolea

06-20-2006, 12:53 PM

Esq.

06-20-2006, 12:54 PM

The point is that those things had not changed when she was allowed to adopt children. We were discussing how she was able to adopt children when, technically, she is far less attractive a candidate than many who are turned down.

ETA: I agree, Nicole. However, was her condition treated when she adopted Maddox? It surely didn't appear that it was. Further, being bi-polar is not the only issue. She has a long history of issues that were ignored bc of her celebrity. But other people don't get the same concessions.

allyray231

06-20-2006, 01:01 PM

savannahgrl

06-20-2006, 01:05 PM

I don't think anyone here is qualified to diagnose Angelina Jolie's mental health. Regardless, even if she is bipolar or manic depressive, it's a very treatable condition and she could be a perfectly fit partner and parent.

No one mentioned anything about personally diagnosing her. She has been open about having this disorder.

I was just making a statement when someone mentioned her issues. I was not saying that she could not be a fit parent. Obviously, I must have posted in the middle of a debate. Back to lurking!

Esq.

06-20-2006, 01:07 PM

Are there absolutely no standards for international adoption? I find that hard ot believe, especially in light of majorgal's post re: her friend.

Neither Maddox nor Zahara were what is considered to be an "older child" when they were adopted. According to Wikipedia, Maddox was 7 months and Zahara was also around 7 months old.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelina_Jolie

msnicolea

06-20-2006, 01:09 PM

I think Angelina Jolie is more open and honest about her issues than other celebrities. We have no idea what Meg Ryan's mental health status is, or Jamie Lee Curtis, or Kirstie Alley--yet they are all adoptive parents. I received psychiatric treatment for being anorexic and bullimic as a teenager--does that make me unfit to be a parent? Ther are many posters on this very board who are currently taking anti-depressants +/or receiving counseling who are already or will soon become parents.

I have no idea whether or not Angelina Jolie is a "fit" parent--and neither does anyone here.

And of course people with more money get to adopt more quickly--this dichotomy isn't reserved for celebrities. Has anyone looked up some of these foreign adoption agencies and seen the costs? I certainly couldn't afford to be an adoptive parent right now!

Money simply affords you many, many priviliges--right, OJ?

msnicolea

06-20-2006, 01:12 PM

Are there absolutely no standards for international adoption? I find that hard ot believe, especially in light of majorgal's post re: her friend.

I think each country has it's own set of rules/laws governing adoption. Some countries are much easier than others!

allyray231

06-20-2006, 01:13 PM

I think Angelina Jolie is more open and honest about her issues than other celebrities. We have no idea what Meg Ryan's mental health status is, or Jamie Lee Curtis, or Kirstie Alley--yet they are all adoptive parents.

I have no idea whether or not Angelina Jolie is a "fit" parent--and neither does anyone here.

And of course people with more money get to adopt more quickly--this dichotomy isn't reserved for celebrities. Has anyone looked up some of these foreign adoption agencies and seen the costs? I certainly couldn't afford to be an adoptive parent right now!

Money simply affords you many, many priviliges--right, OJ?

ITA. It is true-she has money so it is much easier for her to adopt. Look at Rosie ODonnel and how easy it was for her.

I am just saying I don't think what she is doing is sooo bad. She choose to adopt children that need a home-something not a lot of people whould be willing to do-children who might not have gotten adopted in the first place. I don't see people going to these particualr countries and adopting.

msnicolea

06-20-2006, 01:14 PM

ITA. It is true-she has money so it is much easier for her to adopt. Look at Rosie ODonnel and how easy it was for her.

I am just saying I don't think what she is doing is sooo bad. She choose to adopt children that need a home-something not a lot of people whould be willing to do-children who might not have gotten adopted in the first place. I don't see people going to these particualr countries and adopting.

And Rosie is a LESBIAN which we all know is a MENTAL ILLNESS! ;) :rolleyes:

allyray231

06-20-2006, 01:15 PM

And Rosie is a LESBIAN which we all know is a MENTAL ILLNESS! ;) :rolleyes:

Ah yes don't forget about that!! LOL!!:rolleyes:

Esq.

06-20-2006, 01:18 PM

allyray231

06-20-2006, 01:21 PM

I know that each country has its own standards, but it just seems to me that at the time she adopted Maddox, she wouldn't have met any of those standards (this is based on the way that she was comporting herself in public at that time) except for being rich.

This maybe true but who knows. People can act differently in public. Her relationship ended with Billy for a reason.

And you are right-it could have been that she was just rich and that is why it was easier for her. However, she could have just as easily gone out and gotten pg if she really wanted a child.

Raven_Girl

06-20-2006, 01:24 PM

Its seems like some people in this thread have a problem with Angelina. No matter what she does its wrong, I guess that's the beauty of a gossip thread. Yes, people with money do have an advantage but they still have to go through the process like everyone else.
Angelina can hop on a plane, pay the fees, and whatever else she has to do to get her approval faster. Before Zahara she tried to adopt in Russia and she said there were issues and she had to stop the process. So maybe when she says she's looking at another country to adopt meaning she's just learning about the country and regulations. Doesnt mean she's going to get one tomorrow.
My mother is bi-polar and i'm okay. yeah she drives me nuts but I can say one thing that woman LOVES ME (and my siblings) more than life its self. Being bi-polar doesn't mean you can't love a child.
There is a woman in the mid west who recently had her 16th kid naturally. Do I think she doesnt love her kids? No because from what I've seen they all seem really happy.
JMO

Esq.

06-20-2006, 01:24 PM

She could have, but she was married to Billy Bob at the time, and since he seemed to want nothing to do with adopting Maddox (I think that it has been reported that she adopted Maddox alone, but how that can occur when one is married is beyond me) I would assume that might translate into him not wanting to father a child either.

But, then I guess she could have just gone out and gotten pg with someone else's child. That might have ended thier marriage a bit quicker, though.

Esq.

06-20-2006, 01:28 PM

okay...I think this is the third time that I have said this, but I am going to state it one more time, and I am going to put it in bold

I am not saying that being bi-polar, bi-sexual, a cutter, having an eating disorder or having attempted suicide prevents you from EVER parenting a child.

What I am saying is limited to this:

It did not appear that AJ's psychological, mental and emotional issues were resolved and/or treated at the time that she began adopting children. Any other person who carried on in public (making it clear that she was, indeed, bi-polar and not seemingly medicated) the way that AJ did at that time would not have been allowed to adopt a child.

Hopefully, that clears up any confusion.

greenbunny

06-20-2006, 01:33 PM

I understood you perfectly, Krysten. I think some people just enjoy picking a fight.

allyray231

06-20-2006, 04:23 PM

I understood you perfectly, Krysten. I think some people just enjoy picking a fight.

I am not picking a fight at all. And I understand know what you were saying and I don't disagree with you-however, I just think she has done a good thing and I wonder why people question it that is all.

Esq.

06-20-2006, 04:33 PM

several posts have seemed to be made with the misunderstanding that I thought that AJ could NEVER be fit to be a parent, and I just wanted to make sure everyone understands that is not the case :)

ally- I question it for the same reason that I would question a friend who gave birth, and a week later was trying to get pregnant again. It just seems a bit obsessive to me. It does not take into consideration what they have just begun. IOW, AJ and BP are not taking into consideration what they have just begun by adding S to the family. Maybe M and Z won't take to it as well as everyone seems to think they will. Maybe the changes that come along with S will be a stress on the family. They won't know, bc they are in such a rush to get another one. And another one. And another one. And it will be too late to take a time out at that point bc the new baby will already be there.

You wouldn't wonder why on earth a friend who just delivered a baby was in such a rush to have another one? You wouldn't wonder if it is just for the thrill, the attention?

chefker

06-20-2006, 04:54 PM

You wouldn't wonder why on earth a friend who just delivered a baby was in such a rush to have another one? You wouldn't wonder if it is just for the thrill, the attention?

I do get what you're saying about AJ....something seems odd. If she's just investigating adoption procedures in other countries, fine. I am not sure why she'd want to adopt again ASAP, if that is really what she is intending (and who knows how the gossip rags are slanting this anyway) :)

Speaking from my own experience, right after I had DS, I made comments to my friends that I 'missed being pregnant.' Now, I was not in any hurry to get PG right away, and of course I was glad to have Ian in my arms; but there's something about having that baby in your belly that's more 'personal'--like it's just the two of you. Then baby is born, and you have to share him or her with the rest of the world....it's kind of a happy/sad feeling.

Anyway, I'm rambling here, but I can *kind of* understand someone wanting to get pregnant again right away. I wouldn't do it, and we're not trying for #2 until God knows when--but I do miss having that little baby in my belly.
As for adopting right after giving birth....personally, it's not for me.

Hopefully the kids will adjust fine as AJ thinks they will. And hopefully BP won't leave the relationship, or those kids will be missing only dad they ever knew. But better BP for a father than Billy Bob, I reckon. :)