TTC w/Charting Vol. 19 - Hoping to start our summer off right = with lots of BFPs!

[Charting is Knowledge]

TTCers of ConstantChatter:
Charting Our Course to the BFPs

http://www.ripleysorlando.com/images2/fertilitystatues.jpg
The fertility statues are known to work for some who rub them around the time of possible conception.
It is said that the baby is the most potent part of the statue.

So rub away! :D It's worth a shot!


Who we are:
This is a group of women using charting (temperatures, CM, CP, OPK/FM results, or a combination of these) to try to conceive and, along the way, are learning a heckuvalot about their own bodies! Many of us use a software program to keep track of our charts as well as allowing us to share them with each other. The most common ones are FertitlityFriend.com and Ovusoft.com.

Your threadmistresses for this thread are gymwidow and cowgirl.

To our members:
This thread gets very busy at times, so in order to keep things less overwhelming and a bit more organized, we start a new thread after 5 BFPs. A link to the new thread is always posted at the end of the current thread to help everyone find their way over. The threadmistresses would really appreciate it if everyone would post their updates in Red. That way, if we get a bit behind, it is much quicker to get the thread up-to-date.


Previous Thread... (http://www.constantchatter.com/showthread.php?t=18187)


KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!

Want to join the fun??
We welcome one and all. It doesn’t matter if you have never charted before or if you’ve been charting to avoid. I am sure you will find lots of help and support in this group.

If you would like to join, CD1 is the time to do it! That way, we can cheer you on
throughout your cycle, rather than 2 days before you test! :cool:

Please don't be discouraged by the number of posts in this thread. You don’t have to read the whole thread to join. Feel free to just jump in on the last page. Just read through these first couple of posts and post a reply with the following information and we will get you added right away. Of course, none of this info is a must but we like to know a little bit about one another.


CC Name:
Me: name/age
DH: name/age
Married since: date
Off BCP since: date
TTC since: date
Charting since: date
Known issues/test results:
Chart: link
Current status: waiting to O, What the bleep .., testing...

How to link a chart from Fertility Friend:
Go to My Chart. In the Menu bar on the right hand side go down to sharing- then home page setup, the link will appear in a text box under the heading "Your Charting Home Page Web Address." Highlight the link and copy it to your signature or a post.

[Charting is Knowledge]

- Member ETF Status -


Think I O'ed- Testing 5/22-5/28:
Chris~n~Jen (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/101143)

Think I O'ed- Testing 5/29-6/4:
ABirney (http://www.ovusoft.com/forum/chart.asp?id=mrsabirney), Kanga 1622 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/28596), LDS Angel 19 (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/64d1c), Sebski (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/8302a)

Think I O'ed- Testing 6/5-6/11:
ChicagoKate (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/c31c5), Felicity (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/db809), miaclear (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/122ae9), Ptcrn (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/bed5d), Sherb, teacher_jessica (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/13251d)


Folliculating:
Waiting to O (aka - Boring Part of the Cycle)
Alioop12345 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1d0d2), Applebee (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/98534), Armadillo (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/f25aa), Berry, byrd's boogie, bumble, cowgirl (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/f3285), CTs Punkin (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/mmthomas), Deanna1018 (http://www.ovusoft.com/forum/chart.asp?id=gabbie1018), fsb2005 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/10ac41), Gymwidow (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/813ab), honeygirl (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/ee424), Janu98, jenjen0713 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/794c9), Jess71903 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/10d126), jessied1025 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/c57c3), Jjsanner (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/24f94), KristieB (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/df6e5), lilhimley (http://www2[url=http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/131d02), Lilo, MrsHill (http://www.ovusoft.com/forum/chart.asp?id=mrshill), MrsJackson05 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/e581e), Mrs Pell (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/11fb25), Mrs.R (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/118b70), Pocahontas (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/12430d), Polkadot (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/b9a0d), pride&prejudice, RoJo, Smittenk (http://www.ovusoft.com/forum/chart.asp?id=smitten), sneak, Tealynn (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/114180)

Stagnating:
What the *bleep* is going on?!?!

Chart not Updated -- Waiting for an update:

Taking a Charting Break/Temporarily TTA:
Charliezangel (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/c97d2), Jnshanna (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/cafa6), neenbean (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/66982), polarama (http://www.ovusoft.com/forum/chart.asp?id=polarama), Stevesbabygirl (http://www.ovusoft.com/forum/chart.asp?id=stevesbabygirl), TazLuv (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/e80b5)


Percolating:
Expecting Mommies!

BFPs in June: (2)
JodyLovesScotty (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/875bf), phillytiger (http://www.tcoyf.com/chart.asp?id=lege)

BFPs in May: (2)
Indiana Bride (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1d936), Tealynn (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/114180)

BFPs in April: (5)
Deanna1018 (http://www.ovusoft.com/forum/chart.asp?id=gabbie1018), giry76 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/781ab), Harmony96 (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/d1b58), Kimmer (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/106fea), Marteneym (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/7fa78)

BFPs in March: (9)
ausi2b (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/f7062), BethIrish (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/105e49), Delaney21 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/e9d11), Ilovemygeek (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/bec65), lattee22 (http://www.tcoyf.com/forum/chart.asp?id=lattee22), Mayham (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/be39e), Roberta (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/10827a), RubberSoul (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/118cd2), Sare79 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/fe765)

BFP’s in February: (10)
Bunnybeth (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/e5de5), Dlj78 (http://www.ovusoft.com/forum/chart.asp?id=dlj78), Ellidew (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/78d2a), jeant ( http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/5ef37), Jenzen01 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/41226), Lilla (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/2c0b6), MichelleRenee (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/e174a), mimieliza (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/b84ec), Quartercentury (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/3313f), Sinclair319

BFP’s in January: (12)
Adam's Pi (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/95990), Dionysia (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/fdec3), Hula1974 (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/905ef), jbemommy ( http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1064ba), Katmg (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/89994), lawgirl4 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/a6770), Lily (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/447e7), MSH, Polkadot (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/b9a0d), octoberkate (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/f8c44), Spencer's_Girl (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/6f9cc), suiej (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/10159a)

BFP's in December: (8)
Abby's Mom, ajlanden (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/2fdee), Aletheia (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/a0c60), Dotsie (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/e00ca), jeggink (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/1c595), Mrs. M. (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/1a234), Sabriel (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/4431c), UTChick (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/bf25d)

BFP's in November: (7)
Almostthere, Ellebelle (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/2f8f5), Jesseybell (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/cd4f1), Lindybug (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/99db2), Linnybubbles (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/f2330), mkvh (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/99502), mrst2b2003

BFPs in October: (19)...We Broke the Record for most BFP's in One Month!!!!
amurphy (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/a5e06), Bottleored (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/44b0a), BunnyBeth (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/e5de5), Calla Lily (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/b025d), Ds2003 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/ds2003), flygirl, Gardenia (http://www.tcoyf.com/forum/chart.asp?id=gardeniacc), jbenny75 (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/803b1), Kaeden's Mommy (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/bcdb2), Lizard (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/af125), Mystikal (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/RaeK622), nuhmah (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/d72dc), Ryan (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/3f12b), SarahnCraig (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/c1846), Shouldaeloped (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/63d7a), Soulmate (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/Soulmate), Klav (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/21291), ShelbyMay (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/67c07), Wrighty26 (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/beb7b)

BFPs in September: (3)
Baby Lust (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/Shanes_Angel), Lowcountrywed (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/c4aeb), Sabriel (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/4431c)


Tributatoring:
Proud Cheerleaders!
T3h_wookie (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/25336)

Please advise if we are off-target with your ETF (Estimated Test-Fest) or other status, or just need a good old-fashioned Ovary Shout!

[Charting is Knowledge]

Our mommies!

BFPs in August: (11)
Akachan93 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/229b9), Crazycaro (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/21ac6), Guinness (http://www.ovusoft.com/forum/chart.asp?cycle=10&id=guinness&tc=0&p=), jeeplover (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/721bb), Indiana Bride (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1d936), LittleStar (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/c204a), Mel7dog (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/ca05d), Missy329 (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/2b4de), MMHinCA (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/c14c1), Sinclair319 (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/sinclair319), Stumbles (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/b1333), Uskiku (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/cdfb0)

BFPs in July: (10)
Elenitsa (http://www.ovusoft.com/forum/chart.asp?cycle=13&id=elenitsa&tc=0&p=), Heidi0622 (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/549f8), Jane&Andy (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/c455f), Kopper (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/9e5e6), MrsCantDecide (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/59e5b), Red_Canuck, Sevilla, ShannonGH (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/ShannonGH), Tracie (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/a18c8), Tunibell (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/59461)

BFPs in June: (2)
Christy5599, Lovin'it

[Charting is Knowledge]

Our Members:

ABirney (http://www.ovusoft.com/forum/chart.asp?id=mrsabirney)
Me: Angie, 31
DH: Scott, 29
Married since: Sept 25, 2004
Off BC since: Dec '04
TTC since: Sept '05
Charting since: Dec 20 '04
Known issues: possible PCOS, starting Metformin 5/4/06

Adam's Pi (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/95990)
Me: 25
DH: 28
Married since: June 29, 2002
DS: June 25, 2004
Off BCP since: October 2002
TTC since: December 2005
Charting since: December 2005 (but we charted when we TTC DS)
Known issues/test results: This is my first known cycle since giving birth to my DS--I BF'ed him and didn't have a PP AF for 17.5 months....I'm still figuring out what my body is up to

Alioop12345 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1d0d2)
Me: Alioop12345 (33)
DH: Aron
DS: Jacob (02/03/04)
TTC #2 since: 5/05
Known issues/test results: Seeking help from RE using Gonal F, progesterone, estrodial, and HcG...probably going to use Viagra next cycle

Applebee (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/98534)
Me: Lori Ann
DH: Ted
Married since: 4.4.03
Charting since: since Feb '05
Known issues/test results: Day3 Test all ok, DH's SA ok, but will have another one done. Motility on the low side

Armadillo (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/f25aa)
Me: 27
DH: 30
Married since: 10/2004
Off BCP since: 7/2005
TTC since: 8/2005
Charting since: 11/2005
Known issues/test results: none

Berry
Me: Connie, 29
DH: K, 31
Married since: 06/08/02
Off BCP since: May 2004
TTC since: May 2006
Charting since: November 2004
Known issues/test results: None

byrd's boogie
me~boogie/32
dh~byrd/33
married~05.05.05
children~stepson and furbaby
off bc since June 05
known issues~miscarriage 08/05, fibroids removed via myomectomy 02.24.06

Bumble
DH: 33
Married since: 8.2003
TTC since: 4.2005
Charting since: 1.2005
Known issues/test results: miscarriage 6.2005 (8 weeks)

Charliezangel (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/c97d2)
Me: Emily 23
DH: Daniel 31
Married since: 5-22-05
Off BCP since: 11-23-05
TTC since: 1-6-06
Charting since: 1-17-06

ChicagoKate (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/c31c5)
Me: Kate, 31
DH: Chris, 33
Married since: 11.12.05
Off BCP since: 12.29.05
TTC since: 12.29.05
Charting since: 12.29.05
Known issues/test results: had a CP on cycle 2, took cycle 3 off from charting temps

Chris~n~Jen (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/101143)
Me: Jenifer/28
DH: Chris/30
Married since: 10/29/05
Off BCP since: 01/01/03
TTC since: 10/29/05
Charting since: 02/19/06
Known issues/test results: none
Current status: Think I O'd, testing 03/11-03/14

cowgirl (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/f3285)
Me: 28
DH: 33
Married since: 6/14/2003
TTC since: 6/14/2004
Charting since: 10/24/2005
Known issues/test results:

CTs Punkin (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/mmthomas)
Me: MMT age 33
DH: CT age 37
Married: 11/04
Off BCP: 12/04
TTC since: 01/05
Known issues/test results: diagnosed with premature ovarian failure 4/06
4/6 Lap - shows open tubes, small bit of endo lasered off
Moving on to IUI in next month or so

Felicity (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/db809)
Me: F/30
DH: Z/31
Married since: Sept 2003
Off BCP since: Sept 2004
TTC since: June 2006
Charting since: Jan 2006

fsb2005 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/10ac41)
Me: 28
DH: 29
Married since: June 14, 2003
Off BCP since: December 2005
TTC since: April 2006
Charting since: December 2005
Known issues/test results: none

Gymwidow (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/813ab)
Me: 29
DH: 29
Married since: June '03
Off BCP since: Feb. '05
TTC since: June '05
Charting since: Feb. '05
Known issues/test results: PCOS diagnosed 9/05; 50 mg Clomid 11/05; 50 mg Clomid 12/05; 100 mg Clomid and IUI 1/06; 100 mg Clomid and IUI 2/06; 100 mg Clomid and IUI 3/06; O'd on my own 4/06!; Gonal-F and IUI 5/06

honeygirl (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/ee424)
Me: Anne
DH: wonderful
Married since: 2003
Off BC since: August 2005
TTC since: May 2006
Charting since: August 2005
Known issues: luteal phase defect (short LP & post-o spotting), in the process of testing/med trials

Janu98
Me: Mona/27
DH: Abdullah/30
Married since: Sept 4, 2004
Off BCP since: Nov/05
TTC and Charting since: Nov/05
Known issues/test results: none

jenjen0713 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/794c9)
Me: 33
DH: 37
Married since: 11/27/04
TTC since: May 2006

Jess71903 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/10d126)
Me: Jessica (27) - December 10
DH: Tony (26)
Married: July 19, 2003
Last BCP: Date August 21, 2005
TTC since: Aug 2005
Charting since Jan 3, 2006

jessied1025 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/c57c3)
Me: Jessie (28)
DH: Jim (29)
Married since: Oct. 25, 2003
Off BC since: July 2005
TTC Since: Sept/Oct 2005
Charting Since: Nov 2005
Known Issues: None

Jjsanner (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/24f94)
Me: Jen, 30
DH: Eric, 33
DS: Elijah, born 2/6/2004
Married since: 4/26/2003
Off BCP since: 10/2004
TTC since: 6/2005
Charting since: 10/2004
Known issues/test results: None

Jnshanna (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/cafa6)
Me: Shanna/30
DH: Jose/31
Married since: 10/01/94
Off BCP since: Haven't been on BCP for many years.
TTC since: July 2005
Charting since: 8/07/05
Known issues/test results: None

[Charting is Knowledge]

Members continued...

Kanga 1622 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/28596)
Me: 25
DH: 28
Married since: 8/31/02
Off BCP since: 7/03
TTC since: 02/06
Charting since: 07/03
Known issues/test results: None

KristieB (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/df6e5)
Me: Kristie/27
DH: Troy/26
Married since: 4/16/05
Off BCP since: N/A
TTC since: 11/05
Charting since: 08/05
Known issues/test results: None

lattee22 (http://www.tcoyf.com/forum/chart.asp?id=lattee22)
Me: Jaime, 29
DH: Brian, 27
Married since: 21 September 2001
Off BCP and charting since: Oct 2003; since first PP AF (11/05) after birth of daughter
TTC since: March 2006
Known issues/test results: none so far; conceived daughter quickly

LDS Angel 19 (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/64d1c)
Me: Michelle, 23
DH: Aaron, 23
Married since: Sept 4th 2004
Angel: Allison Grace, born and died June 17 2005
Off BCP since: Never on BCP
TTC (again) since: August 2005
Charting since: Charted August, took September off, and now starting again.
Known issues/test results: None at this time

lilhimley (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/131d02)
Me: Jennifer 32
DH: Erik 44
Married since: June 7, 2003
Off BCP since: many years
TTC since: August 2005
Charting since: May 2005
Known issues/test results: M/C by D&C 12/07/05

Lilo
Married since: 2002
Off BCP since: late 2004?
TTC since: January 2006
Charting since: November 2004
Known issues/test results: None
Chart: no link at the moment

miaclear (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/122ae9)
Me: Amy 30
DH: Dirk 30
Married since: September 18, 2004
Off BCP since: March 2006
TTC since: March 2006
Charting since: May 2006
Known issues/test results: None known

MrsHill (http://www.ovusoft.com/forum/chart.asp?id=mrshill)
Me: MrsHill/33
DH: B/41
Married since: September 24, 2005
Off BCP since: October 2005
TTC since: May 2006
Charting since: November 2005
Known issues/test results: Diagnosed with PCOS 2003

MrsJackson05 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/e581e)
Me: Jessica/23
DH: Travis/29
Married since: September 10th, 2005
TTC since: October, 2005
Charting since: Ocober 2005
Known issues/test results:

Mrs Pell (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/11fb25)
Me: Cori, age 28
DH: Mark, age 35
Married since: July 12, 2003
Off BCP since: July, 2003
TTC since: "Seeing what happens" for about a year...just now actively trying
Charting since: Feb 28, 2006
Known issues/test results: none
Current status: waiting to O

MrsR (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/118b70)
Me: Jessica/32
DH: Matt/33
Married since: October 18, 2003
Off BCP since: June 2005
TTC since: June 2005
Charting since: February 2006
Known issues/test results: None

neenbean (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/66982)
Me: 30
DH: 30
Married since: 11/15/03
Off BCP since: 2/04
TTC since: waiting until 1/06
Charting since: 10/05/05 (also did before BFP with DD)
Known issues/test results: none

pride&prejudice
Me: Rosie/26
DH: Gary/27
Married since: 5.28.05
Off BCP since: 4.23.06
TTC since: hopefully July!
Charting since: starting next cycle
Known issues/test results: none
Current status: waiting for DH to be off methotrexate for 3 months

Pocahontas (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/12430d)
ME: 35
DH: 33
Married: Sept. 3, 2005
TTC and Charting since: 12/05
Known issues: Fibroids

polarama
Me: Jenn, 30
DH: Chris, 30
Married since: 7/27/2002
Off BCP since: November, 2005
TTC since: November, 2005
Charting since: December, 2005
Known issues/test results: Possible PCOS, but never confirmed.

polkadot (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/b9a0d)
Me: Lauren 26
DH: Brian 27
Married since: Nov. 20, 2004
Off BC since: May 05
TTC since: May 05
Charting since: May 05
Known issues: m/c 1/06

Ptcrn (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/bed5d)
Me: Jen/30
DH: Gerry/30
Married since: July 30th 2005
Off BCP since: August 14th 2005
TTC and Charting since: August 14th 2005
Known issues/test results: none

Purplesunshine7
Me:
DH:
Married since: 4/5/03
Off BCP since:
TTC since: 7/05
Known issues/test results: m/c 6/2/05

RoJo
Me: 32
DH: 32
Married since: 8/02
Off BCP since: 2002
TTC since: June 2005 (some months not TTC)
Charting since: June 2005
Known issues/test results: No known fertility issues

Sebski (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/8302a)
Me: 29
DH: 31
DS: 6 months
Married since: Oct 2002
TTC since: May 2006
Charting since: March 2005
Known issues/test results: High FSH level confirmed May 2006

Sherb
Me: Aimee, 27
DH: R, 31
Married since: 9/18/04
Off BCP since: 5/05 (BCP caused hypertension)
TTC since: 4/01/06
Charting since: 6/05
Known issues/test results:

Smittenk (http://www.ovusoft.com/forum/chart.asp?id=smitten)
Me: Alison/28
DH: Mike/37 on April 12!
Married since: April 03 2004
Off BCP since: Oct 2005
TTC since: Now
Charting since: Oct 2005
Known issues/test results:mild displaysia

sneak
Me: Kristen/25
DH: Jay/33
Married since: 04.04.04
Off BCP since: Jan. 2004
Children: DD Jenalyn March 12, 2005 (2 months trying)
TTC since: Jan. 06
Charting since: May 2006

Stevesbabygirl (http://www.ovusoft.com/forum/chart.asp?id=stevesbabygirl)
Me: Heather, 26
DH: Steve, 28
Married since: August 31, 2003
Off BCP since: February 2006
TTC since: waiting for CD1
Charting since: February 2006
Known issues/test results: Endometriosis

TazLuv (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/e80b5)
Me: CM/29
DH: BM/29
Married since: July 2002
Off BCP since: June 2005
TTC since: Aug 2005
Charting since: 9/23/05
Known issues/test results: Loooooooong cycles

teacher_jessica (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/13251d)
Me: Jessica/29
DH: Brad/32
Married since: 7/23/2005
Off BCP since: About 3 years ago
TTC since: April 2006
Charting since: April 2006
Known issues/test results: N/A

Tealynn (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/114180)
Me: Teresa/35
DH: Phil/41
Married since: Sept 2003
Off BCP since: years
TTC since: For over a year but just a couple of months w/ TCOYF
Charting since: May 2006
Known issues: no known issues

[Charting is Knowledge]

Things I Have Learned About TTC
by WC's Sherylb

* TTC is a journey. You will discover things about yourself that you never expected. You will face fears you never thought you had. You will find joy in little things.

* TTC can bring you closer to your DH, or it can pull you apart. If your marriage is not solid, you will find out quickly.

* No one understands exactly what you are feeling at any given moment, but someone can empathize at least a little bit.

* You will experience an emotional roller coaster ride. There will be highs and lows and fast moments and slow. Sometimes you have to wait in a very, very slow moving line. You may not even get the seat you want. It is not always fun, it can be scary, but in the end it is worth it.

* "Just relax" is the last thing in the world you want to hear from someone, but it is OK if you say it about yourself.

* There will be moments when you question your own decision to start TTC. You will wonder if you should wait or if you should just give up. Those are normal. But you will get past those feelings.

* The blue and green turtle likes to pop its head out! You will hear of someone's pregnancy and turn green with envy and blue inside because it isn't you.

* It isn't fair, it isn't easy, and it isn't pretty. But you keep doing it because the reward is worth it.

* You will be your best friend and your worst enemy. Your body will
surprise you and yet disappoint you.

* Some women do get lucky and conceive right away. Others aren't so lucky and have to struggle to get there. Hope you will be in the first category, but prepare yourself to be in the second.

* Once you decide to TTC, there will be babies and pregnant women everywhere! You could swear there is a baby boom going on!

* You will have questions. No one will ever be in exactly your position, so don't be surprised when no one can give you exactly the answer you are looking for. But there are people that can contribute, so don't be afraid to ask!

* Two lines on a pregnancy test is not the end of the struggle. Pregnancy has lots of struggles in and of itself.

[Charting is Knowledge]

HPT sensitivity chart

These numbers might come in handy when shopping for HPTs.
The lower the amount of mIU measured, the more sensitive the test is!

AimStick Pregnancy Test Strip 20 mIU
AccuHome Midstream Pregnancy Test 25 mIU
Answer Early Result Pregnancy Test 25 mIU
Answer Pregnancy Test (Cup) 25 mIU
Clearblue +/- 25 mIU
Clearblue Digital 25 mIU
Confirm 1-Step Pregnancy Test 25 mIU
Dollar Store Brand Pregnancy Test 25 mIU
Equate Pregnancy Test 25 mIU
First Response Early Result Pregnancy Test 25 mIU
One Step Be Sure Pregnancy Test 25 mIU
Precise Pregnancy Test (doctors office) 25 mIU
Quickview Pregnancy Test (doctors office) 25 mIU
Walgreen Digital 25 mIU
e.p.t. Home Pregnancy Test 40 mIU
Fact Plus Pregnancy Test 40 mIU
CVS Cartridge Pregnancy Test 50 mIU
CVS Midstream Pregnancy Test 50 mIU
Drug Emporium Brand Pregnancy Test 50 mIU
e.p.t. + / - Test 50 mIU
e.p.t. Certainty Digital Test 50 mIU
early Pregnancy test 50 mIU
RiteAid Brand Pregnancy Test 50 mIU
Target Brand Pregnancy Test 50 mIU
WalMart Brand Pregnancy Test 50 mIU
Walgreens Pregnancy Test 100 mIU

[Charting is Knowledge]

- Common TTC abbreviations

This is a list of some of the more common TTC abbreviations. I know as a newcomer to the TTC threads, it can be hard to keep them all straight. I hope these will help, and if anyone has any they would like added, please let me know!


•2WW: "2 week wait" - The approximate time from possible conception to menstruation due date; Pregnancy tests should be taken near the end of the 2WW.
•AF: "Aunt Flo"; Your period; Menstruation
•AFNW: "Aunt Flo Not Wanted"; the day your period is expected to start, but you are hoping it doesn't!
•AO: anovulatory (cycle without ovulation)
•BBs: "boobs"; breasts
•BBL: "be back later"
•BBT: Basal Body Thermometer; This is used to measure your basal body temperature, when you wake up in the morning, after at least 3 hours of sleep, before you start to move around; Use a special BBT thermometer to take your temperature because they measure the small changes in temperature from day to day more accurately than the regular fever thermometers.
•BCP: Birth control pills
•BD'ing: "baby dancing"; baby-making intercourse
•BFN: "Big Fat Neutral" or “Big Fat Negative”; Negative pregnancy test.
•BF'ing: breast-feeding
•BRB: "be right back"
•CD: cycle day; a particular day in your menstrual cycle (example: CD1 is the first day of your period)
•CL: Cover Line; a visual tool used to separate the low (pre-ovulatory) temps from high (post-ovulatory) temps; a coverline is typically based on the temperatures 6 days prior to ovulation.
•CM: cervical mucous; one of the most useful clues your body can give you in predicting your fertility; it can range from dry, creamy, sticky, or (the most fertile) egg white/watery type.
•CF: cervical fluid; same as cervical mucus
•CP: cervical position; an optional, but sometimes really useful, fertility sign; CP will generally be low, firm and closed before and after ovulation, and high, soft and open during your fertile time.
•DD: "dear daughter"
•DH: "dear husband"
•DS: "dear son"
•DPO: Days Past Ovulation; number of days from your post-ovulatory temperature rise. (Example: 1DPO is the day after your ovulation)
•Endo: endometriosis (can be a fertility problem)
•EDC and EDD: estimated date of confinement (antiquated, but still used by physicians) and estimated date of delivery
•EPT: a brand of pregnancy test, or, generic for "early pregnancy test"
•EW or EWCM: egg white cervical mucus; the most fertile quality CM; it is slippery, clear and stretchy, like egg whites; also EWCF
•FAM: Fertility Awareness Method; the method of fertility and/or birth control that correlates the physical changes you experience during your cycle to predict when you are most fertile
•FF: Fertility Friend, an online (free, for basic services) fertility charting site (website); (could also be formula feeding; check context)
•FM: fertility monitor
•FMU: first morning urine
•FP: follicular phase; the phase before ovulation, where the egg matures in the ovaries
•FRED: First Response Early Detection (pregnancy test)
•HCG: human chorionic gonadotropin; the hormone that is present during pregnancy and what the HPT's and blood test measure to determine if you are pregnant
•HTH: "hope that helps"
•HPT: home pregnancy test; a urine pregnancy test you can take at home
•IMHO: "in my humble opinion"
•IMO: "in my opinion"
•IUI: intra-uterine insemination
•IVF: in vitro fertilization
•KU: knocked up
•LH: leutenizing hormone; the LH surge is what is measured by the OPKs; this hormone signals the egg to burst from the ovary
•LP: luteal phase; the phase of your cycle that begins just after ovulation and continues for 10-18 days, ending with the start of your next period; during the LP, your body continues to build up the lining of your uterus, and produce hormones which would support a pregnancy; this is the time when a fertilized egg can implant into the uterine lining
MBFP Mystery big fat positive- When you see a BFP in someone’s chart but they haven’t announced it yet
•NFP: Natural Family Planning; similar to FAM, but with abstinence during the fertile period
•O, Oing, Oed: ovulation, ovulating, or ovulated
•OPK: ovulation predictor kit; tests for presence of LH surge that usually precedes ovulation by 12-48 hours; these tests are quite expensive and not always accurate (if you take medication or depending on your age); these are optional when charting with FF, but if your fertility data is not clear it can bring more light and help interpret difficult cases
•OS: Ovusoft; charting software based on TCOYF
•PCOS: polycystic ovarian syndrome (a fertility problem)
•PG: pregnant
•PIAC: pee in a cup
•POAS: pee on a stick
•RE: reproductive endocrinologist
•SA: semen analysis
•SH: "sweet husband"
•SO: "significant other"
•SYS, SYL : See ya soon! or See ya later!
•TCOYF: Taking Charge Of Your Fertility by Toni Weschler; a book and website about charting and fertility.
•TMI: "too much information" - There is no such thing when TTC!
•TTA: "trying to avoid"
•TTC: "trying to conceive"
•TTFN: "ta-ta for now"
•TTYL, TTYS: "talk to you later" or "talk to you soon"

[Charting is Knowledge]

Resources borrowed from Still At It:

Abbreviations and acronyms
List of TTC & IF acronyms written out (http://womens-place.com/ttc/ttcacronyms.php)

HPT Sensitivity Comparison Charts
Fertility Plus (http://www.fertilityplus.org/faq/hpt.html)
Pee On A Stick (http://www.peeonastick.com/hpts.html)
Mama's Ark (http://www.mamasark.com/hpt.htm)
Baby Hopes (http://www.babyhopes.com/pregnancy-test-sensitivity.html)
Remember, the hCG starts at 1 at implantation and increases as time goes on, so the smaller amount of hCG it measures, the more sensitive the test is!

Books
Taking Charge of Your Fertility by Toni Weschler, MPH (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0060937645/qid=1041654042/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/104-0287896-1655948?v=glance&s=books&n=507846)

The Fertility Sourcebook by M. Sara Rosenthal, PHD (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0737303808/qid=1042220393/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-0287896-1655948?v=glance&s=books)

Inconceivable by Ben Elton (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0385334656/qid=1041659461/sr=1-7/ref=sr_1_7/104-0287896-1655948?v=glance&s=books)
The movie "Maybe Baby" (below) is based on this book

Inconceivable: A Woman's Triumph Over Despair and Statistics
by Julia Indichova (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0767908201/qid=1059292613/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-2812959-1358247?v=glance&s=books)

The Infertility Diet: Get Pregnant & Prevent Miscarriage by Fern Reiss (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1893290395/qid=1059292976/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-2812959-1358247?v=glance&s=books)

Conquering Infertility: Dr. Domar's Mind/Body Guide to Enhancing
Fertility & Coping with Infertility by Alice Domar, Phd (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0670031550/qid=1059293116/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/103-2812959-1358247)


Girlfriend to Girlfriend: A Fertility Companion by Kristen Magnacca (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1588202135/qid=1082306449/sr=8-2/ref=pd_ka_2/104-9895052-8814318?v=glance&s=books&n=507846)

Movies
Maybe Baby (2001) (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000062XKW/qid=1041654127/sr=8-4/ref=sr_8_4/104-0287896-1655948?v=glance&s=video&n=507846)

She's Having A Baby (1988) (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/6300988996/qid%3D1041654195/sr%3D11-1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/104-0287896-1655948)

Websites (by subject)

Charting
Ovusoft aka TCOYF (http://www.ovusoft.com/)
The site for Toni Weschler's book which includes message boards, chat and cycle galleries which are very helpful.

Fertility Friend (www.fertilityfriend.com)
A free charting site which includes a lot of information and cycle galleries.

Local Support
RESOLVE: The National Infertility Association (http://www.resolve.org/main/national/chapters/resolvenearyou.jsp?name=chapters)
Nation-wide referrals to local support groups and therapists.

The American Infertility Association (http://www.americaninfertility.org)
Lots of information and support, including message boards and chat rooms.

Financial Concerns
ARC: Advanced Reproductive Care (http://www.arcfertility.com/)
information on financing infertility treatments

Family Fee Plan (http://www.amerifee.com/fertility-financing/index.asp)
information on financing infertility treatments

State Insurance Requirements (http://www.resolve.org/main/national/advocacy/insurance/index.jsp?name=advocacy&tag=insurance)
Links from the Resolve site about insurance & laws.

Inciid's Insurance pages (http://www.inciid.org/index.php)
Click through menu on right for more financial topics and the insurance forum.

General TTC
Trying To Conceive.com (http://www.tryingtoconceive.com/)
All things TTC! Lots of info as well as a place to buy herbal therapies for
conceiving.

Baby Med (http://www.babymed.com/)
Tons of information. Everything from Chinese gender charts to an FAQ section on pretty much any TTC question you could have.

Baby Hopes (http://www.babyhopes.com)
Baby makin' supplies!

OBGYN.net (http://www.obgyn.net/)
Lots of general info on women's health. They also have doctors on line who
answer questions.

Infertility Sites
INCIID (http://www.inciid.org/)
Pronounced "inside". (The International Council on Infertility Information Dissemination)
Excellent national resource.

Resolve (http://www.resolve.org)
Wonderful site with lots of infertility information and support.

I dream of baby (http://www.idreamofbaby.com/fertility.php)
Learn the basics of fertility issues here. This site also has a great message
board community!

Fertility Plus.org’s list of female hormone levels (http://www.fertilityplus.org/faq/hormonelevels.html#female)
Starting your fertility work-up? Check out this site to see a list of the
commonly tested female hormone levels, the function of each hormone, and the normal levels of each hormone.

Shared Journey (http://www.sharedjourney.com)
Shared Journey is dedicated to providing quality information on topics such as
infertility, miscarriage, surrogacy, pregnancy after infertility, living
child-free, and adoption. Our information is supplied by well noted Reproductive
Endocrinologist's, Psychologists, Adoption professionals and links through
various sites.

FertileHeart (http://www.fertileheart.com)
A community of people exploring holistic approaches to fertility. A site by
author Julia Indichova (see books above)

Specific IF Issues
Soul Cysters (http://www.soulcysters.com)
PCOS site with lots of support and info

Dr. Beer (http://www.repro-med.net)
Reproductive Immunology information, including lists of tests, pricing, local referrals

Reproductive Immunology Support (http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/immunologysupport/)
Yahoo group for RI patients, tons of info and articles

Info for Family and Friends
Empty Arms (http://www.vocalicious.com/empty_arms/empty_arms_mod.html)
This is a great video so they can understand what you're going through. (And get out your kleenex!)


Post away!!!!

http://www.pattiramos.com/daddy_baby_feet_bw_72_3x4.JPG

[Charting is Knowledge]

You guys may notice a couple of minor changes in our opening posts. We literally ran out of space in the post that contains everyone's status, so I've divided our "mommies" section into two: one that contains currently expecting mommies, and another new post that contains the list of mommies who already have their precious babies in their arms. I hope this is okay with everyone!

Bring on the BFPs!!!

[Chris~n~Jen]

Yay! I new thread starting on CD1 for me. That has to be a good sign, right. <<pulling at straws here>> :rolleyes: Here's hoping that this thread closes sooner than the last one did.

Good luck everyone! :D

[cowgirl]

Deanna I'm so sorry for your loss.

Congrats Indiana Bride.

fsb: I have had a drink in the 2ww. Some places say you are safe until 18 DPO.

Well I think I may have finally o'd yesterday. Keep fingers crossed our timing would be pretty good as well.

[phillytiger]

Subscribed!

Deanna - I'm so sorry for your loss, hang in there {{{hugs}}}

CD7 here...just trying to chug away at some work while it's beautiful out!!! Sorry I don't have more s/o's - hopefully later...

[Sherb]

I'm still here at CD 35. Will be calling the Dr. on Monday if AF doesn't show btwn now and then. I'll be testing again on Sunday and Monday.

I'm really at a loss here.

[Bellefior]

Deanna, jsut wanted to let you know I am thinking of you.

[LDS Angel 19]

Just checking in, I know I'm a horrible poster but I always read along with you girls.

FF gave me crosshairs, I'm not sure if I trust them yet though. We'll see in a few days.

Sherb, I hope you get good news!

[gymwidow]

Hi everyone. 10DPO here and I'm actually feeling quite calm and detached from it all. I'm imagining the occasional tummy twinges, etc., as FPS, but am not dwelling on them, which is a nice change. I'm really glad I didn't know I was in the 2WW for so long b/c I think that's helped me mentally this month.

I'm going to try to wait till Tuesday or Wednesday to test. Wish me luck!

Happy weekend everybody!

[fsb2005]

Hi all - just reposting this since it probably got lost in the old thread.

Deanna - so sorry for your loss. Hope you're holding up okay.

Indiana Bride - congrats! I agree this makes 5 - we need a new thread!

polkadot - c'mon now, look at my BD schedule given the Shettles timing -- you're just going to have a girl, like me! ;) Hmm, or a boy, given that last minute BD on your O date.

ptcrn - I am keeping my eye on that nice looking chart of yours. :) When are you testing?

------------------
Nothing new to update. On 5 DPO, so not much going on. I keep telling DH to "pet the baby," and he sticks out his pinky finger and touches my belly. It's cute.

I was planning on not testing until AF was late, but we're having a cocktail party at our house the day I'm 12 DPO. So, I guess I'll try testing then - if I get a BFP I'll know not to drink, and in the much more likely event I get a BFN, well, I'll just have to decide what to do...

What are others doing about drinking during the 2WW?

[jnshanna]

I'm so sorry for your loss Deanna. {{{Hugs}}}

I just have to say that I love our picture for this thread. How cute are those feet?! :D

I figure a new thread is a good time to update on me. :) I said I was taking a break from charting but that only lasted a week or so. :rolleyes: I'm back to charting now and with that have determined that I'm having another annovulatory cycle. :( I'm on CD 43 and have only had two temps just at 98. My temps have been too low all through this cycle. I also had more mid-cycle spotting (and have for the last 5 cycles). So anyway, I'm making an appointment with an RE and hope to get some answers soon. We've been TTC for 10 months now and it's starting to get very frustrating. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that whatever is wrong is something easy to fix.

Threadmistress ~ Could you please move me to "what the bleep is going on"? And change my age to 30 and DH's age to 31? Thank you!

[armadillo]

I gave up not drinking a couple cycles ago. LOL! We're onto our 9th cycle right now and after a few months of NO DRINKING AT ALL, then just drinking during AF, then before O...well, I'm a little bit sick of scheduling my life around whether or not I'm PG. I'm frustrated with TTC and pissed off that I changed my life around to do everything "right" and nothing has happened. So screw it! LOL.

[jnshanna]

Good for you armadillo! My sentiments exactly! ;)

[ChicagoKate]

What are others doing about drinking during the 2WW?

My thought on drinking during the 2ww is that I still drink, but try to keep it at a minimum. I talked to my doctor about this as well and she said that you can't put your life on hold during the 2ww. It will drive you crazy! So, that's what I do. When I'm getting to the end of the 2ww (like now, 11DPO), I don't really drink at all until AF shows or I get a BFP. Although, I may have to get a margharita tonight for Cinco de Mayo.

[teacher_jessica]

Subscribed!

CC Name: teacher_jessica
Me: Jessica/29
DH: Brad/32
Married since: 7/23/2005
Off BCP since: About 3 years ago
TTC since: April 2006
Charting since: April 2006
Known issues/test results: N/A
Chart: Links in Signature
Current status: Testing

Well, it's CD29 for me (13/14 dpo) and still nothing but bfn's when I test. Which of course, probably means that I won't be seeing a bfp this cycle. The s/w has AF showing up tomorrow so I'm waiting on pins and needles to see if she does indeed show. Last night I got extremely nauseous at around 8:30 and it lasted for a little over an hour. That doesn't ahppen to me usually so I thought it was a more than a bit strange~ but I'm trying not to count it as a "sign." :rolleyes: Good luck ladies! I'm hoping to see lots of bfp's because each time I see someone post happy news I get so excited!!! :D

[ptcrn]

fsb2005, thanks for looking at my chart! FF gave me a "possibly triphasic" yesterday, but took it away today. :( I did cave and tested this AM, but BFN. It was an internet cheapie, so not sure how sensitive it is. I'll test again probably Monday if still no AF.

As for drinking in the 2WW, I pretty much don't drink all that much anyway, and I've found that even one drink really affects my temps the next AM. So if I'm being really obsessive about wanting to know my real temp, I won't drink. :rolleyes: But I think it's totally safe.

[Bellefior]

Just wanted to update something else that happened during the aforementioned day/night from hell involving DH's best friend (or should I say former best friend). This is long, but is related to TTC.

M, was in the house painting our master and spare bedrooms. He's done painting before, is good at it, and we agreed to pay him (something like $200 plus we would give him lunch and dinner). Well M and DH always joke around with each other. I don't recall what DH said to him ( it was so innocuous that I don't even remember it), but to "get back" at him M made a really sarcastic cutting comment about DH's low counts. It wasn't said even as a joke, it was intended to be very cruel, DH started to say something to him to tell him off but before DH could really get into it, I completely went off on him at the top of my lungs using lots of profanity (not in my character). M has a habit of making comments that he thinks are funny but are downright cruel, and I think he deliberately means to hurt people with his comments.

Anyway, we calmed down, he gave a half-assed apology which I accepted in the interest of maintaining the peace. But then he did something else and DH just finally had enough with his BS because its always something with this guy. He had been drinking all the beer in our fridge over the two days he was there and basically thought he would have a party at our place for 3-4 days and paint walls in between when he felt like it. Since we were paying him, and he was dragging his a$$ in addition to making us feel like we had to walk on eggshells around him, that was not okay with us. So DH threw him out of the house, told him get his $hit, and not to come back.

He then tried to say to me when he came back for his coat that he had left behind , and to justify the comment he had made, by saying that my husband had "hurt his feelings" and that this was between my husband and him, and didn't involve me, but I told him when he was in my house, creating chaos, insulting my husband and making jokes about the fact we are having trouble conceiving naturally, then it does involve me. I told him that I realized DH could be a jerk, but that he (M) could also punch people's buttons with his comments. I told him that if all his bad day consisted of was getting all pi$$y about some comment that DH made that no one else would have ever thought twice about, then I did not feel sorry for him. That he should walk in our shoes because we had it all over him when it came to having a bad day--between MIL having to go in for a second mammogram because of something they saw, the news from my OB about us having to see an RE, and the bar exam results. He gave me a look that all I could say scared me because it was so full of anger (I think he expected me to take his side), then stalked off.

We've always been good to M. I told DH that if he wanted to make up with him that was fine, and maybe someday I might be able to forgive the cruel comment, but that for present he was no longer welcome in our house and if he chose to get together with him, it would not be at my house. I have enough stress in my life w/o toxic people adding to it. Am I being out of line here?

[armadillo]

Bellefior, no, I don't think you're out of line. M's comment was way over the top and his actions don't seem like that of a friend. Don't feel bad for kicking him out.

[jessied1025]

Bellefior I agree with armadillo M's comment was way out of line. I would have done the same thing.

As for drinking during the 2WW, I will have a couple once and awhile. However, when it is close to AF coming or getting the BFP I try not to drink at all until I know which one is going to happen. With summer coming up it will be a little bit more difficult, since I participate in softball & volleyball during the summer and it is not uncommon to go out afterwards for a drink or 2.

[Bellefior]

Armadillo & JessieD, thanks. I know TTC can make anyone emotional, but wanted to make sure I wasn't being overly harsh.

Now for some good news---looks like I got a positive OPK today! I thought it might be given the temp drop this morning but the OPK I took at work confirmed it. We made sure we DTD this morning, and will keep it up over the weekend. At least something finally went our way this week :) !

re: drinking. I generally don't drink at all during the 2ww, but then agaibI am not a big drinker to begin with.

[Felicity]

Hi all - I have been lurking for a bit in the last thread and I'm ready to join if that is okay!

CC Name: Felicity
Me: F/30
DH: Z/31
Married since: Sept 2003
Off BCP since: Sept 2004
TTC since: June 2006
Charting since: Jan 2006
Chart: http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/db809
Current status: Waiting for AF (last non-TTC cycle), Soon to be Waiting O

I'm on my third cycle of charting, so I'm relatively new to charting. Despite being off BC for quite some time, my cycles have been a little bit wacky, but I think I've O'ed each cycle - so that is good! I'm currently waiting for AF and will then move into my first cycle that we will be TTC! I'm excited to join you ladies for this journey :D

[kanga1622]

Subscribing to the new thread.

Bellefior-based upon the look he gave you and his comments, you are totally right in feeling like he should not be in your home.

Drinking - I'm not a drinker anyway (in fact, I've never had a drink) so I spend my time worrying about heating lunch meat and removing Aspartame from my diet during the 2WW. :rolleyes: DH thinks I'm nuts.

Welcome Felicity!

[Chris~n~Jen]

Welcome Felicity!

RE Drinking: In the beginning I was worried about drinking during the 2WW but now not as much. I just can't see spending 1/2 of my life acting like I'm pregnant when I'm most likely not. So I don't worry about it to much. Although I do try and cut back a little if I'm close to when AF or a bfp is due! ;)

[tealynn]

Welcome Felicity & Kanga

QOTD As far as drinking during the 2WW, I keep it to a minimum during the week, maybe a glass of wine occasionally, on the weekends, I just let my body tell me what it wants. If I want a drink, I'll have one and if it doesn't feel just right, I'll have ice cream instead. As far as being at a party (or hosting one) if I didn't feel like drinking alcohol, I'd probably drink somthing sparkly in highball glass with a lemon or lime and no one would ever know.

I've never heard about abstaining from Aspartame during the 2WW, anyone else? OMG,that would be harder than giving up the wine!

[Janey]

Yay Felicity! Glad you're here. :D It's so great to see so many Maybe Mamas & Charting-to-avoid grads in here!

RE: Drinking - I drink about 3x/year anyway, so giving up drinking is no big thing for me. I don't think it would be harmful to have a glass of wine during the 2WW, but I probably wouldn't drink to excess.

Tealynn - I'm with you about giving up artifiical sweeteners! The diet shakes I make have saccharine :eek: in them, and man I love me some caffeine free diet coke. I'd be sad to give that up.

Anybody know anything about the safety of Splenda during pregnancy?

[Ericka_Jarett]

tealynn and MrsHill - you can have both items (Aspartame and Splenda) during pregnancy. Aspartame is actually nutra-sweet and is safe in pregnancy, you can't have Sweet-N-Low or saccharine though. you are also allowed to have caffeine in pregnancy, just try not to over due it. Diet sodas are actually made with nutra-sweet or Spelnda

Both are items that diabetics have normally and even if they are pregnant (I know cause I am one that has diabetes now)

[Janey]

Huh - that's interesting! I've always heard to stay away from Aspertame. I'd love to have a daily diet coke, so I'm going to have to check into that!


So yesterday, I had some terrible terrible pains. I wrote a post about them in the Charting-To-Avoid thread (http://www.constantchatter.com/showpost.php?p=718550&postcount=549) this morning in case anyone was curious, but basically, they were so bad I thought I might faint, and they lasted strong for about 1.5 hours, and not so strong for an additional 3.5 hours.

In any case, I went to the Dr. today, and got some advice for the TTC cycle...


I got back from the dr's office. I actually saw the nurse practitioner. She was pretty helpful. She said that I looked normal, and that the pains I was feeling could be ovulation pains, but they also could not be. She asked me if I was passing gas/having regular BMs and I said yes - I eat ~10 cups of fruits and veggies a day and am getting plenty of dietary fiber. (However, I kind of wonder if it wasn't a bowel thing... I certainly haven't ruled that out in my brain. But it just seemed so central... I don't know.)

In any case, I had a vaginal ultrasound back in 2003, which is when they found the cysts and diagnosed me as having PCOS. Subsequent to the diagnosis of PCOS is when I lost all the weight. She said she wanted to do a repeat ultrasound for a couple of different reasons -- to check for fibroids, to check my uterus for anomolies, and to see if my ovaries are still polycystic. The U/S will also check my bowels so that's good too. The ultrasound will be in ~2 weeks, since it has to be between CD5-CD9, when my lining is low.

The last fasting blood gucose I had done was back in 2003 as well, and I came back as Insulin Resistant. She ordered another one of those tests to see if I am still insulin resistance, cause apparently that can be a factor in fertility as well. That's on the 10th.

Since we will be TTC this cycle, she also suggested that I go to Costco and get the Clearblue Easy Ovulation Test, to find out if my Luteal Phase is really 11/12 days long. If so, they will put me on progesterone to lengthen my luteal phase in order to help prevent a miscarriage.

That's all I know. But I'm glad I went to the doctor. :)


P.S. Bellefior - I think you are very justified in your reaction.

[honeygirl]

Thanks for the warm welcome ladies. Welcome Felicity, good to see you here!

MrsHill - I am glad to hear that you went to the Dr, and that she even has some ideas of how to assess your situation (isn't that refreshing). Let's hope that you don't have another cyst though! There's a thread on LFD over in the TTC section with some good info (which knowing you you've probably already read).

Bellefior - That "friend" was out of line and sounds a bit toxic. It's good that your DH and you are on the same page about him.

QOTD - I'm not a drinker but I do enjoy splenda.

Well I'm on CD14 and still waiting to O. I seem to have more EWCM than usual this cycle (and earlier), and I'm wondering if it's not really CM. We're BD'ing more than usual now that we're TTC, so maybe it's b/c of that. How do you ladies tell the difference when you're BD every day or every other day? How do you tell what is CM and what is BM (boy mucus).

[Ericka_Jarett]

Mrs Hill - here are a few articles for you:
http://parenting.ivillage.com/pregnancy/psafe/0,,3wdg,00.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=2862125&dopt=Abstract
http://pregnancytoday.com/experts/n-dietsodas.htm

My list from the OB says Nutra-Sweet is ok, just stay away from Sweet and Low

Also make sure to not eat too many fruits that can make your blood sugar high, since fruits are high in natural sugar. Also beans, fall under as carbs or starches according to the diabetic diet.

[Jess71903]

Hi ladies! I haven't posted in a while, but I thought I would X-post this from the SWH thread:
I had a VERY interresting day. DH and I made the 30 minute trip to the little town where the herbalist is. He has a great reputation around here, and I was frustrated, so we went to see him about fertility. We walk in and tell him what we want. He sits us down and gets a note pad and starts writing. He doesn't say a word. Thinks, writes, looks at us, and writes some more. It was strange. Then after he had written everything he starts telling us what's wrong with us. I am too cold- he said I had a thyroid problem and that I was probably having fertilized eggs that werent making it because my core temp was too cold. He said it should be above 97.6 when taken under my right arm (mouth temp today and yesterday am was 97.2. but I didn't tell him that) He gave me a website to look at for Wilson's Syndrome and see if that matched with me. It does. He gave me "raw thyroid" . He told me to take one pill a day, even after pg.

He then moved to DH and told him that he had a left testicle problem (the "main" problem). He said fertility comes from the left side and his was messed up. He asked if his testicles ever ached and pulled and DH's eyes lit up. He has complained about that since he was a teenager. Said it was varicocele. We looked it up and it definitely fits Dh's symptoms. So weird. Also asked about him being tired and getting dizzy, especially when he stands up too fast. He gave him "damiana". Turns out it is also an aphrodisiac....oh great! We've been making jokes about DH's left nut all day! I thought about you, Bellefior, when I read about Damiana. It is supposed to increase sperm count. He described it like DH's testicle needed to be "cleaned out". If you want, I can PM you all the info on it.

He told me I would be pg in 60 days. It all sounds weird, but I have renewed hope. I would rather have what he gave me than some chemical concoction that a traditional Dr. would give me. Anyway, good day girls! I will keep you updayed on how things go!

[berry]

Berry
Me: C, 29
DH: K, 31
Married since: 06/08/02
Off BCP since: May 2004
TTC since: May 2006
Charting since: November 2004
Known issues/test results: None

Hi -- I haven't been in this thread in ages. We were going to start trying in December 2005, but then pushed it back for a while.

We're planning to start this month.

I'm currently waiting to o.

Thanks.

[pocahontas]

NEW THREAD! WOOHOO! (And imagine that...I'm actually late since we're on page 4! :rolleyes: Geesh! I just posted this morning in the old one. lol) Welcome to the new ladies (can't remember all the names.) And a big thank you to whoever recommended Clearblue Easy OPKs. THEY ACTUALLY WORK! (You have to understand I am excited because I used some before that SUCKED...I think they were Answer brand). Anyway...my birthday and yesterday I got a +OPK. DH and I took full advantage. :D I had O pains and watery CM both the past 2 day but then today...nothing. And when I took my third OPK it was - which means I probably O'ed late last night or early this AM...this should be perfect timing! And if my temp is up tomorrow that will confirm it and seal the deal. So now we wait *sigh* :o

[mrs_pell]

New thread!! Yeah! I fell so behind in the last one and a new one is a great time to get all caught up! ;)

Welcome Berry, Felicity, honeygirl (and anyone else that I've missed!)!

Jess71903 ~ So weird that he told you all that!! I think that would have freaked me out! :eek: Glad that you have renewed hope, and I hope that he was right about the 60 days!

Bellefior ~ What an ass! I swear, what is WRONG with people?? I say just delete him! ;) I'm so sorry for everything else that you're going through right now...it really does seem like when it rains it pours. Hang in there! Congrats on the positive OPK! Hope your BDing was successful!

ptcrn ~ Keeping my fingers crossed for you!

Deanna ~ I'm so sorry!! Glad to see you're staying positive, and I hope you won't have to be in again for very long!

Congrats Indiana Bride!!

gymwidow ~ Good for you for being so patient! It's hard, hard, hard during that 2ww! Keeping my fingers crossed for ya!

For anyone that I've missed (which there are many, since I got so far behind! :o )...
Good luck to those getting ready to BD and those getting ready to test! Sorry to those that AF found. :(

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I'm at CD 10 right now, and not really sure what's going on since I have been HORRIBLE at temping this month! For some reason, I've just had a hard time waking up when my cell phone alarm goes off. Before I know it, I'm across the room turning off my other alarm and then I just figure, WTH...it's still fairly early in my cycle...no biggie. BUT...I have temped the last 2 days, as well as 2 days earlier on. I had a huge drop today, which would be really early for me to O. But, I'm having horrible cramps tonight as well. I guess we need to get a BD in tonight just in case.

[ChicagoKate]

Welcome Berry, Felicity, honeygirl! I hope that was everyone. So excited about the new thread!!!

Jess71903 ~ That's so interesting about the herbalist! My FIL had a varicocele and had to have surgery to get it fixed. Turns out that was what was keeping them from having kids. They had tried for 4 years to get PG with no luck. MIL was found to have no fertility issues, turns out FIL's varicocele was the cause! Two months after the surgery (when they were cleared by the MD) MIL got pregnant with DH! (I think it is kind of weird to know this much about your FIL's privates, but what the hey, MIL is a sharing kind of girl!). My understanding is that it is varicose veins and the blood pools in the testicle preventing the swimmers from developing. It most often develops in the left nut! How bizarre!

~~~~~
I'm 12DPO today. Temp still up and I have been tired as all heck this week. Went to bed at 8pm last night. Poor DH! Crossing fingers and saying prayers that the HO stays away!!!!

[Jess71903]

ChicagoKate- How funny that you know so much about your FIL's reproductive organs! I hope the tiredness is a sign for you!
We read about the surgery option, but I don't think DH's is that severe, since the SA showed normal count....not sure what that means but he did have to abstain for 2 days before that. Maybe it comes and goes, because the pain is not all the time. I thought the temp thing for me was interresting. Mouth temp this morning was 97.1 and under R arm temp was 96.7! I always knew my temps were on the low side, but I was always kinda proud of that for some reason. Didn't think it could be an indication of something wrong. You can read about the guy I went to here:http://www.thaumaturge.net. He does a lot more than just fertility and I have heard that he is a member of the same kind of church as I am, so he's no witch doctor or anything.

[fsb2005]

ChicagoKate - your chart is looking great!! When are you testing?

Jess71903 - very interesting about the herbalist. Fingers crossed that it works!

Welcome Berry, Felicity, honeygirl!

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6 DPO for me. Nothing exciting to report.

[Charting is Knowledge]

Updated to here.

Welcome teacher_jessica, Felicity, and welcome back Berry!

[Bellefior]

Jess thank for the offer on the Damiana info, I'd be happy to read up on it if you PM me the info.

[pride&prejudice]

Welcome Felicity, Kanga, Berry, Felicity, and honeygirl.

Nothing exciting, CD 18 here.

[ChicagoKate]

13DPO today for me. Tested and got a BFN. I am still hoping that it is too early to test b/c my temp was way up again today. We'll see what tomorrow brings. . .

[Sherb]

AF finally showed on CD 36/18DPO. On to the next cycle!

Threadmistress, please move me to waiting to O.

[polkadot]

Wow...one day i am not here and we get to page 5!!! I am slacking...

Welcome to Felicity, Kanga, Berry, Felicity, and honeygirl !! Hope your stay is short and sweet...:D

Replies....

Sherb~ So sorry (((hugs))) AF is a witch for making you wait that long....she sucks..:p

Chicago Kate~ I hope its just too early for you to get a BFP...lots of people get them later like 14-15 DPO...fingers crossed for you...your chart looks good...

Me~ 5 DPO and getting a YI...ughhhh :mad: why cant anything be easy!!!!

[Indiana Bride]

Thanks for all Congrats ladies:)

Sorry to those who AF showed up for:(

Good luck to all of the upcoming testers!

[pocahontas]

QUICK QUESTION: For those who used Pro-Gest cream (or any other brand progesterone cream) did you notice whether or not you began to experience an excess of creamy CM? (TMI: I swear I just started that stuff today and I suddenly had all this lotiony CM and I'm like WTF?! :confused: ) Just curious if maybe this is purely coincidental or related in some way...

[ABirney]

Hi ladies, hope everyone is doing well!
I was gone for the weekend so way behind on s/o's... but...
Welcome honeygirl, felicity, and berry! Hope your stays are short and sweet!
So sorry about the m/c Deanna.
Congrats IndianaBride!
Sorry for those AF found and good luck to those O'ing/testing soon.

Thanks everyone for your concern and support about my dr visit!
So far so good on the metformin... no s/e's yet. TMI alert: I did notice today when I went to the bathroom I actually had a fair amt of slippery/EW cm when I wiped... first time that's happened in months! So maybe it's a fluke... but maybe the met is starting to work already????? lol! I really do hope it works for me and I don't have to move on to Clomid or anything.
Well have a great night everyone!

[ChicagoKate]

Well, AF showed for me yesterday. Oh well, more umbrella drinks for me on our upcoming trip to Mexico. Threadmistress, could you move me to waiting to O? Thanks!

[cowgirl]

Welcome:honeygirl, felicity, teacherjessica, and berry

Sherb:So sorry the witch showed.

Chicago Kate: sorry about AF.

QOFTD:I don't give up drinking during the 2ww wait for alot of the reasons already posted.

So FF gave me cross hairs but I am thinking I o'd earlier since I have been spotting since saturday. Would you guys mind looking at my chart. TIA!

[kanga1622]

Wow...you guys move fast on the weekends. CD17 here and still waiting to O. That is normal for me so I'm hoping to gets lots of BD this week. :)

[Charting is Knowledge]

Updated to here.

[Janey]

Sherb I'm sorry to hear about AF. You were this close!!

Ericka_Jarett - Thanks for those links!

Honeygirl - I haven't checked out the Luteal Phase Defect thread. I will do so now that you pointed it out, though!

pocahontas - I'm glad to hear you had success with the Clearblue Easy OPKs. My Dr. actually specifically recommended those over generics because, she says that their office gets a lot better results from the clearblues than the Generics. Also FWIW, she said they've looked around and the cheapest place they can find (not counting ebay, etc., I'm sure) is Costco (http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=10045053&whse=&topnav=&browse=&s=1). I saw them on sale at Target yesterday, but it was $16 for 7 tests; still not as good a price as Costco.

Welcome to Berry!


Page Numbers: We are only on page 2 for me... you gals must still have your pages set to 10 posts per page?? I max it out at 40. Threads like these seem to not go as fast since I made that change.

[jessied1025]

A quick hello...

Sorry that AF showed up for some of you.

Welcome to the newbies, hope you stay is short & sweet.

cowgirl just from a quick glance at your chart I would say you O'd on CD16. Is it normal for your to spot after you O?

CD5 for me, so nothing exciting...

[ptcrn]

15 DPO and tested this morning.... BFN again. :( I'm so depressed! My temp was still up- does anyone think that I could have O'd 2 days later than FF says? In that case I could still have a chance. I guess I'll just wait and see!

Sorry AF showed, Sherb and ChicagoKate. She sucks!

Welcome Berry, Felicity, honeygirl and teacher_jessica!

cowgirl, I looked at your chart, but I'm not really sure. It's hard to tell by your CM, and then with the two temp dips, its possible that you haven't O'd yet. Do you use OPK's too?

[cowgirl]

jessied1025:I have never spotted around O. Usually I spot just before AF.

ptcrn:I didn't use OPK's this cycle.

[MrsR]

cowgirl -- I am not sure what to tell you. I think you may have O'd around CD16 as well.

Welcome to the new members and sorry to Sherb, ChicagoKate and everyone else who AF found.

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Well I am 6 DPO and nothing too exciting to report. Have had a few "phantom" smells (i.e. I swear I smell something and no one else seems to smell it) -- I walked into Costco on Sunday and it smelled like such bad BO to me, but my friend who I was with smelled nothing. Also, I was at a baby shower on Saturday and walked into the kitchen and swore I smelled poop and asked everyone else in there if they smelled it (and the moms even smelled the kid's behinds) and no one else did:rolleyes:

Had some drama last night with our across the street neighbor. Long story short I think he was high on coke or something b/c he threatened to shoot me and DH when all we asked him to do was move his car (he had parked in our driveway -- um, you have a perfectly good driveway not 50 yards away and you did not ask if you could park in ours and you are blocking our garage . . .). . .

anyway, Threadmistress, can you move me to "Think I O'd, Testing 5/14-5/21" (if I can hold out that long;))

[tealynn]

Hey ladies! Hope everyone had a nice weekend.

Cowgirl I would have to agree with the others, looks like you O'ed on CD16 but it also looks like you BDed right around there so that's a good combo. Let's hope your temps stay up!

Sorry Sherb and Chicago Kate:( I really thought this might be your month.

Mrs R WTF??? Sounds like your neighbor's a bit psycho. Sorry for the drama, like anyone needs more of it, right?

I'm very excited because it looks like I actually did O this month when I had pretty much given up at CD20 as an annovulatory cycle. The question is, on a 30 day cycle, if I O later then does that give me a shorter LP or will my cycle just be longer?

I'm definitely happy that I O'ed but I realize a short LP can be a problem. And I'm pretty much not expecting anything this cycle 'cause I gave up a little too soon on the BDing.

Happy Monday!

[fsb2005]

ptcrn - I think FF has your O date right. I think 98.2 is too high for a pre-O temp, generally (of course everyone is different though). Is this the longest LP you've had?

Oops, gotta run - more SOs later.

[Janey]

Tealynn - A delayed O will (should!) just lengthen your entire cycle, so your LP will be its regular length.

[tealynn]

Thanks Mrs. Hill - that's good news, I think!!!:)

[Felicity]

Just wanted to pop in and say thank you for the warm welcome! :)

[ChicagoKate]

tealynn ~ Your LP should remain the same from cycle to cycle. I had a history of cycles right around 30 days. This last cycle I didn't O until day 27! I still had a 13 day LP. So-- this will just be a long cycle for you.

pctrn ~~ I would wait two more days (if you can) and test again. If still a BFN, then go in for a blood test. Some women do not ever test positive on POAS tests for some weird reason. I hope this is your month!

[teacher_jessica]

Well, AF finally showed this morning. It was a strange cycle for me. It was 31 days long and usually I'm right at 28 days. I did take vitamin B supplements every night with my prenatals though so could that have lengthened my cycle? Anyways, I'm on CD1 as of today and am geared up and ready for some BDing in our effort to TTC! :D This thread sure did move quickly over the weekend so I'm not even going to attempt personals today! :p I'm wishing you all lots of luck this month!!!

Threadmistress, could you move me to waiting to O? Thank you!

[pocahontas]

Well, AF finally showed this morning. It was a strange cycle for me. It was 31 days long and usually I'm right at 28 days. I did take vitamin B supplements every night with my prenatals though so could that have lengthened my cycle? Anyways, I'm on CD1 as of today and am geared up and ready for some BDing in our effort to TTC! :D This thread sure did move quickly over the weekend so I'm not even going to attempt personals today! :p I'm wishing you all lots of luck this month!!!

Threadmistress, could you move me to waiting to O? Thank you!Jessica...the B6 w/magnesium added an extra day to my LP the first month I took it (which used to be 11 days up through Feb when I started taking it and made it 12 in March) and then another day when I added zinc last month (for a 13 day LP in April). So it's very possible that is what happened. (BTW...I'm a teacher too! :D What do you teach?)

THREADMISTRESS...would you move me to "I think I O'ed" testing whenever the latest group of testers is (probably around the 17th or so.)

[mrs_pell]

No time for replies to everyone, but I'm so sorry to those that AF found! :(

I'm *hoping* that I O'd today. Like I said earlier, I've been pretty bad about my temping this month, but I have been better the last few days. I had a pretty decent drop this morning. I'm really, really hoping that today was the day, because our timing would be good, and my hubby left for Austin today and won't be back till Thursday (I wasn't so happy about that trip schedule, but what can ya do?).

I'm really starting to not like this TTC thing. I felt pretty guilty this morning because once I saw my temp had dropped, since we didn't BD last night, I really felt we needed to this morning to get one last one in before he left. So...I woke him up. :o I mean, it all turned out great ( ;) ), but I guess I felt guilty because I was only doing it for that reason. Normally, I would've just hit snooze again and gone back to sleep. I think the part that makes it the worst for me is that I'm sure he knows that was the only reason, because he knows this is "the time." *sigh* I really think if this isn't the month, I really may ditch this whole charting thing. I love it that I have a better idea of what's happening, but I really, REALLY hate this scheduling thing. SOOOO not romantic. Anyway, I'm rambling...

[Bellefior]

Threadmistress, please also move me to the I think I O'ed/testing section.

Our timing was good this month. If we didn't have the other issues and the RE appointment next month, I'd be very optimistic about my chances this month. But one can always hope, right? In any event, I won't be torturing myself by testing early this month, and will probably be waiting until 14 DPO, if AF holds off that long.

[fsb2005]

teacher_jessica - sorry AF showed.

mrs_pell - hoping yesterday was the day!

Bellefior - good luck!

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9 DPO for me. I'm a little bummed because I have zero symptoms and this cycle seems exactly like every other one. I might be crazy but I have this sneaking suspicion that I would know if I were pregnant. I'm pretty conscious of my body and can always tell when I'm Oing, so I've just assumed I'd be able to tell if I were pregnant too. So the fact that I don't have any symptoms at all makes me pretty sure I'm not pregnant.

I mean, I know doing the Shettles method decreased my chances a ton of actually conceiving, but I secretly was hoping anyway. :rolleyes:

I'm going to test Friday (12 DPO) only because we're having a party at our apartment and just in case I'd like to know before I drink.

[Charting is Knowledge]

Updated to here.

[gymwidow]

Just a quickie post... I don't feel much like "talking" right now.

Even while taking the progesterone supplements, once again I started spotting yesterday. I missed one of my 3 doses on Sunday, but I'm not sure if missing just the one would have caused this to happen. I emailed my RE and am waiting to hear back from him.

I'm really starting to get scared that this progesterone problem will prevent me from actually sustaining any possible pregnancy. I hope to hear some reassurance from the doc soon.

I'm planning to go in for a blood test tomorrow to rule out pregnancy this month, and then start injectables with my next cycle.

Hugs and love to all. I know a lot of us can use it!

[fsb2005]

gymwidow - sorry to hear about the spotting. I saw you'd had that spotting at 7DPO - I was hoping that was a good sign! Fingers crossed for you...

[Chris~n~Jen]

You know, I started to do s/o's and realize that we say "sorry" and "good luck" in this thread so much. It's sad, really. So in general, I'm sorry to everyone for whatever it is that makes you sad. :(
To those about to test or trying to catch the eggie "Good Luck".

I guess I've just been really down about TTC since AF showed last friday. I also realized that I'm actually on cycle 8 now. I thought it was cycle 7 but I was counting months. My cycles are kinda short and I ended up with another cycle in there. So that bummed me even more. For the first time ever, DH had flowers delivered to my office on Friday (CD1). He knew this one hit me really hard.

I'm sorry to be so down, I'm trying to cheer up but it is so hard. Maybe next week when the fun stuff starts again.

[teacher_jessica]

pocahontas: I teach 2nd grade this year. I'm in a continuous loop which means I start with a group of kiddos in first grade and stay with them all the way through second grade and then I repeat the process all over again... so I start with a new group next year. I love it! How about you? What do you teach?

Chris~n~Jen: That is so very sweet of your husband! Keep you spirits up! I've had so many friends go through all of the trials and tribulations of TTC and have seen a happy ending to each story! ;)

gymwidow: I'm so sorry to hear you're spotting again but I'm glad to hear you have a plan in place for next month! I work with three different ladies who all had injectionables and all have happy, healthy children now! :D

fsb2005: I totally know what you mean about thinking you'd know if you were actually pg. But, after last month I'm convinced my body just may mess with me so who knows. I had all sorts of weird symptoms last cycle that were totally out of the ordinary for me but I wasn't pg. :rolleyes: So, now I'm just trying to roll with the punches. I'm hoping your about to see a bfp in your near future!

Bellefior: Good luck on waiting to test! I'm going to attempt the same thing this month. Well, maybe. :D I'm such an instant gratification girl!

mrs_pell: Hey, I hear ya. Doesn't it just boggle the mind that people actually manage to get pregnant on accident? I never realized how darn hard it is to get pregnant until now! Hope you caught the eggie! ;)

Nothing new for me. I'm on CD2 and it's just so odd to realize that it will be June before this cycle is over! This cycle I'm using a digital bbt instead of the one I was using before but other than that I'm going to pretty much do everything I did last month. Good luck ladies and have a wonderful Tuesday!

[polkadot]

Just a little update....

Well, i called about my cycle days 3 &21 bloodwork....the cycle day 3 bloodwork was normal..which i expected...the 21 day bloodwork was sent for the wrong test. The nurse apologized said it was her fault and that she was sending it to be retested with the correct orders and that she would call me tomorrow with the results. I am kinda prepared for her to come back and say that my proges. was low and that i may not have Oed. I only say this b/c I know that i didnt O until day 18 which meant that at day 21 i was only 3DPO instead of 7 like it should be. I am ok with this b/c i told him that i usually Oed later and he said that if my Progest. was low and I was Oing later then I had two things workign against us...so i will probably be spending my summer on Clomid and progest. suppositories...but i guess it culd be worse....i'll let yall know when she calls me tomorrow...

everyone....thinking only positive thoughts for this group!!!

[cowgirl]

Bellefior:Good luck not testing early.
gymwidow:That sucks about the spotting. Hopefully you can get some answers from the RE about that.
Chris~n~Jen:That was very sweet of your DH.
teacher_jessica:Doesn't it just boggle the mind that people actually manage to get pregnant on accident? I so agree with this.
polkadot:Sending positive thoughts your way.

Well AF found me yesterday so not sure what is going on. I am calling a new OB office this week to check on testing and cost since no insurance coverage for testing. Today is my last day at work so it will be nice to have a 4 day weekend.

[fsb2005]

polkadot - let us know what you hear on the CD 21 bloodwork...

cowgirl - sorry to hear AF showed. Good luck with the OB - I hope the testing isn't too outrageous...

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10 DPO for me today. I am so not pregnant. I put a chart overlay on my FF home page so you can see how this cycle compares to two cycles ago (when I O'd on the same day). See any resemblance? Clearly, I was not pregnant on the prior cycle, and since this one appears identical, I'm pretty sure I'm not pregnant now.

I'm thinking I won't even waste a test on this cycle...Oh well. :rolleyes:

[pocahontas]

pocahontas: I teach 2nd grade this year. I'm in a continuous loop which means I start with a group of kiddos in first grade and stay with them all the way through second grade and then I repeat the process all over again... so I start with a new group next year. I love it! How about you? What do you teach?

JESSICA: Right now, I teach nothing (thankfully ;) ). I am the TC (Tech. Coordinator) for a high school. But in the past decade I have taught both 5th then 4th grade. And for 3 years I was the Science Coordinator of an elementary school (the BEST job of my life next to the one I have now because they involve so much more freedom and flexibility! :) )

LADIES I NEED ANSWERS!! For any of you who are experts on this subject...what is the difference between PCO (Polycystic Ovarian Disorder) and PCOS (which I have seen so many of you ladies have and are dealing with.) What on earth is the difference of leaving off one letter? Are they one in the same or are there slight differences between one and the other? I am about to go look on my RE's website and see what I can find but I know you ladies know all...so I figured someone can break it down to me. :o My CD 21 b/w is tomorrow morning but my RE has already sent me a letter after getting the CD 3 b/w results as well as DH's SA and my HSG and u/s. I will tell you about the potential DX later but let's just say I am ---> :rolleyes:

[ptcrn]

fsb, your charts do look almost identical, but you never know! Your temp could shoot up at any time! ;)

pocahontas, I didn't think there was any difference between the two, but I'm definitely not an expert. Good luck finding some more information- maybe try www.theafa.org- they might have something.

Good luck to those testing or about to O. I'm sorry that AF has shown for so many people (myself included!).
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Well, I'm out for another month. AF showed this morning, which was not a surprise given my temps over the last two days. We are planning to have DH's repeat SA done this week or next and I guess go from there. I have a feeling in the pit of my stomach that we will be heading to an RE next month. Threadmistress, please move me back to waiting to O. :(

[Felicity]

Morning ladies!

I'd like to dole out a fresh round of *hugs* to all here - I know I haven't been around long, but it seems like a few hugs are needed lately :) I promise to do my best to bring some positive energy and baby dust!

Question: Does anyone have short LPs? Have you taken anything to lengthen them? I've read B6, Zinc & Magnesium, but how much? I'm a bit worried mine are too short.

AF showed for me this morning and I realized this is the last time I'll be happy to see her! Threadmistress, please move me to waiting to O. Now I'm officially in cycle 1 of TTC :D

[pocahontas]

Question: Does anyone have short LPs? Have you taken anything to lengthen them? I've read B6, Zinc & Magnesium, but how much? I'm a bit worried mine are too short.

Hey Felicity...I take all 3 of the aforementioned now because my typical LP was 11 days which I heard wasn't really "too" short per se but on the short side of average. (Anything more than 10 days being average but 12 or more being optimal according to TCOYOF.) As of last month after 2 months of those 3 supplements my LP is 13 days.

[Janey]

Pocahontas - I believe they're the same thing. A "Syndrome" is just a combination of symptoms. Here is a pretty good website that explains PCOS with links to further information at the bottom:

http://www.4woman.gov/faq/pcos.htm

Felicity - I have LP's on the shorter side, just like Pocahontas. Mine are 11/12 days. The Dr. suggested that I use the Clearblue Easy OPKs to determine if my LP was really short, or if my progesterone just wasn't kicking in for a few days after ovulation (progesterone causes the temp jump). We shall see.

[Charting is Knowledge]

Updated to here.

[gymwidow]

Just wanted to let you all know that the bleeding continued and is actually heavy enough today for me to count it as AF. Also, I had a blood test this morning that confirmed no pregnancy.

I can deal with the no pregnancy part okay, since we weren't even really trying this month and didn't expect me to O without any meds. It's the bleeding even while on the supplements that has me upset. I'm afraid that no amount of extra progesterone will help. My RE says not to worry, that it shouldn't affect my ability to conceive, but I'm not convinced. :(

Anyway, I go in for CD3 b/w and an u/s on Friday and if all checks out, will start the injectables that night.

Thanks for all the good wishes ladies! I may not be posting much, but I read every day and am always thinking of you all. :)

[Chris~n~Jen]

Hey Felicity...I take all 3 of the aforementioned now because my typical LP was 11 days which I heard wasn't really "too" short per se but on the short side of average. (Anything more than 10 days being average but 12 or more being optimal according to TCOYOF.) As of last month after 2 months of those 3 supplements my LP is 13 days.

So taking the supplements increased your LP, but it didn't effect your normal O day? After the baby asprin mess, I'm afraid to take anything else for fear of delaying my O.



Question: Does anyone have short LPs? Have you taken anything to lengthen them? I've read B6, Zinc & Magnesium, but how much? I'm a bit worried mine are too short.

I consider my LPs short. I average 10 days but have been as short as 9, never any longer than 11. I haven't tried taking any of the supplements that you've mentioned. I had heard that taking baby asprin will help to lengthen your LP. The one cycle I took it, my O was delayed by almost three days and my LP was still only 9 days. So that didn't work for me :rolleyes:

[pocahontas]

So taking the supplements increased your LP, but it didn't effect your normal O day? After the baby asprin mess, I'm afraid to take anything else for fear of delaying my O.




BOY do I know what you mean JEN. BTW...I am keeping my promise. ;) I told you I'd update you on this cycle with NO b/a and I went right back to my regular O date (CD 15). So although there isn't a test I can take to confirm whether or not b/a was to blame I sure as heck am not gonna take it EVER again if it's not highly recommended by a doc. Seems like it did more harm than good because I have NEVER EVER spent 9 out of my 13 day LP spotting and last cycle I did! :eek: It was crazy! This cycle I am already 5 DPO and things have been calm and peaceful! :D

But no, supplements lengthening the LP didn't affect my typical O (or so it appears). Been on them since Feb and with the exception of last month's utter chaos :rolleyes:, Feb, March and now May have been either a CD 15 or 16 O date.

GYMWIDOW: {{{HUGS}}} I'm sorry. That sucks...try to keep your chin up though.

[pride&prejudice]

**Hugs** to all those who need it.

Not much going on here. The good part is, FF finally gave me cross hairs and I'm 5DPO.

Threadmistress can you move me to I O'd, Testing 5/15-5/21

[mrs_pell]

Definitely some hugs needed in here! We need a BFP to bring the energy level up! ;)

Sorry I don't have answers for a lot of the questions asked lately. I'm still relatively new to all the TTC thing and don't know a lot yet myself! :o

I do have a question for y'all. I really think I O'd yesterday. My temp spiked pretty good this morning (from 97.04 to 97.77) and it would be right in sync with the timing of my other O days. Our timing would be decent if that were the case. The weird thing is, though, that I've definitely noticed EWCM (more than I have in a LONG time) last night and all day today. I thought that the CM pretty much dried up right after ovulation. Is it possible to still have it after O'ing?

Oh, and one more question. I used to have noticeable EWCM (didn't know that's what it was then, but anyway...), then when we started to TTC and I started taking pre-natals, I stopped noticing much at all. Well, the last few weeks, I haven't been taking the vitamins (bad me, I know!!) b/c I keep forgetting to get the script filled (samples ran out). Should that have *any* effect on CM, or is it just coincidence? Any ideas?

[miaclear]

Ladies...count me in

Me: Amy 30
DH: Dirk 30
Married since: September 18, 2004
Off BCP since: March 2006
TTC since: March 2006
Charting since: May 2006
Known issues/test results: None known

Well I've officially started my 3rd cycle today. I told myself when we first started that I could start temping on cycle three. So when AF showed up this afternoon I was off to Walgreens for my BBT. I'm mostly excited to know what my body is doing and am praying for a "textbook" chart.

I know there are instructions around here somewhere on how to link your chart so I'm going to try to find them but if someone knows 'em off the top of their head I'd appreciate the help.


Edited to say....figured it out thanks to the charting to avoid ladies :) I've been charting my symptoms and such for the last two cycles so they're there....can't wait to add some temps to this one :D

[polkadot]

So..the nurse called...she said that my bloodwork showed I did not O. Which is not what my chart showed...as you can tell .....the only thing that worries me is that I know that I was only 3DPO on the day of the draw instead of 7DPO..but even still shouldnt it have showed I Oed at all...and just have had lower levels of the hormones....i am so frickin confused...i cant believe that 11 months of charts could be wrong....well this birthday has sucked...

[Chris~n~Jen]

Welcome miaclear!

So sorry you didn't get the results you wanted polkadot. {{{HUGS}}}


Nothing new with me. Just hanging around on CD7 waiting for the fun stuff to start.

[tealynn]

Gymwidow I wish the progesterone were working better for you. Maybe you just need a higher dosage?? Good luck with your tests tomorrow. Hopefully they'll shed some light.

Sorry Polkadot about your test results. I have a hard time too thinking that 11 months of charting could be wrong also. I really don't know if 3 DPO vs. 7 DPO matters in terms of a blood test although they ask you come in at that time for a reason. Did you mention that to whomever was doing your bloodwork? Also, happy belated birthday (even though it sucked). It was yesterday right? I think we had a couple of others out there too!

Mrs. Pell I'm not sure about the PNV causing a less EWCM. I've actually noticed more since I've been taking mine. I'm thinking (and this is my own theory) that the more healthy/hydrated you are the more fluid your body produces. Maybe you've been better about drinking water or taking care of yourself?

Welcome Miaclear and prepare to engage in a love/hate relationship with your BBT.

I was excited to get crosshairs this month also, even if they were late. I'm 6 DPO and not expecting much this month. Please move me to "Think I O'ed" testing May 24th I can already tell that I probably won't need to test though. The same old "AF" is on her way symptoms are sneaking up and no FPS.

*Hugs* for everyone and just think, it's almost Friday!

[fsb2005]

miaclear - welcome! Hope your stay is short and sweet.

polkadot - I replied in your LJ too, but I would definitely find out whether the fact that you were 3 DPO instead of 7 DPO could have affected your results. Also, I would look into whether the fact that you are having temperature shifts but apparently not Oing could mean anything specific -- I would think that most people who don't O also wouldn't have temperature shifts, so maybe the fact that you do have the shifts could shed some light on what is going on. Anyway, *hugs*. I hope you managed to do something nice for your birthday.

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11 DPO for me. Nothing new. Temp went up one degree, but still not very high. And that one other cycle I was at 98.2, so I'm still looking pretty close to the other cycle.

I guess if my temp stays the same tomorrow morning, I might test only because we're having that party tomorrow night and I want to know whether I can drink. But if it drops at all I'm not testing.

Anyone know if an upset stomach (and TMI -- diarrhea) is a FPS? If so, it's my only one, fun for me. :p

[Charting is Knowledge]

Updated to here.

Welcome miaclear!

[pocahontas]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY FELLOW MAY BABY! (Polkadot :D ) Sorry about the b/w. (I had my CD 21 b/w this AM :rolleyes: ) The only suggestion I have is...I have noticed I recently have become one of those folx TCOYOF talks about as having a slow rise in prog. after I O (which is weird 'cuz I never used to be this way. My temp used to shoot up 1 DPO!) Anyhoo, case in point...this cycle it took until 4 DPO for my temp to make it above 98 (it hovered between 97.7 and 97.9 from 1-3 DPO). So if I had done b/w like you did at 3 DPO my results would have probably shown what yours did. Point being...just on the off chance your prog. rises slow it may have looked like you didn't O. (I know I'm grasping at straws here, but I just wanted to throw out the possibility. :confused: )

[phillytiger]

Hi ladies - sorry I've been MIA - I've been travelling for work & really busy!

HUGS to all! Sounds like it's been a rough few days with AF & test results...sounds like we've got a few of us testing soon, and a few others approaching O, so hopefully we'll get some BFP's here real soon!!!

Sorry no individual s/o's - too much to catch up on. But, HAPPY BDAY, Polkadot :-)

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Not much new here, CD13, and waiting for the first signs of EWCM. I usually O CD18-21, so the fun is about to begin :D

[miaclear]

My first morning of temping....ahhhh. I slept awful last night cause I had all these dreams about temping. When I woke up I really wasn't sure if I had already done it or not:rolleyes:

[armadillo]

I'm 15 DPO today and it's FF's test day. My longest LP so far has been 15 days, so I'm holding out. My temps were a bit erratic for some reason this month, so my chart is a mess!

[teacher_jessica]

Hi ladies, I have a questions for you in regards to temping...

I suffer from insomnia and it is quite normal for me to sleep for only 4 hours in a night and when I do sleep through the night I still seem to wake a lot. I've noticed people posting about having things like this affect their morning temp. :( Will my insomnia make my morning temps totally off? Or, since this is the norm for me is it OK?

I'm currently on CD4 and looking forward to our TTC efforts this month! ;)

[MrsR]

armadillo -- fingers crossed. Even though your temps are weird, you still are 15 DPO!!!!

9 DPO here, had a big drop on 5 DPO with my temps increasing since then -- fingers crossed it was an early implantation dip . . .

[Chris~n~Jen]

Fingers crossed for you armadillo!

Hoping that was an implantation dip for you MrsR.

teacher_jessica, I don't really know that answer to your question so I can't be of much help. I will say that I tend to wake up a couple of times during the night. I wake up enough to see what time it is and then fall back asleep. I usually wake up around 4 am so when my alarm goes off at 6:30 I'm really only been asleep for 2 1/2 hours solid. But it doesn't seem to affect my temps. I don't get out of bed so I think that makes a big difference.

[Felicity]

Welcome miaclear!
We need a BFP to bring the energy level up!
mrs_pell - I agree!!!

pocahontas - Thanks for the info on the supplements. Could you tell me what dosage of each you take?

MrsHill - I also appreciate your info about OPK's from your doctor. That is good to know about the slow progesterone rise.

Chris~n~Jen - I am in the same boat as you. After three months of charting I've had 8, 10, & 9 day LPs.

polkadot - I'm so sorry to hear about your test results. I've been following allow for a good month here before I started posting and I'm so sorry things are going rough. I hope some of the others are right and that the DPO 3 vs. 7 makes a difference in your results. And Happy Birthday!

teacher_jessica - I'm excited - you asked a question I have some input for! I'm a *very* light sleeper and had issues with this when I first started temping as well. I've found that my best bet is temping at the same time each day. If I do wake up and need to go the bathroom and it's a bit too early I try to just stick it out in bed until it's within a 1/2 hour of my normal waking time. Then I temp and then get up. If it's a couple hours before my normal temp time, I will still get up and go to the bathroom and it hasn't had too much of an affect on my temps. Temping at crazy times when I *thought* I'd had a solid 3 hours of sleep just didn't work at all.

Good luck to those of you getting ready to test!!!

Nothing exciting from me - heading out for a nice long weekend trip with DH. Since I'm just on CD 2 I'm not even taking my thermometer :) Have a great weekend everyone!

[polkadot]

Well...it wasnt the doc who called it was his nurse...he is out of town until Monday and she knew I didnt want to wait till Monday for the results...so she gave them to me...I got the next availbale appointment which is MAy 24th....which, if i am not PG this cycle...will put me somewhere btwn 8-10 days of my next cycle...which will be just late enough for me to not be able to take the Clomid I think he may want to give me...thinks are really up in the air right now...i KNOW i am Oing its just later than what he thinks is **normal** and i have heard many women who had late O'es say that their docs put them on Clomid b/c it will make the eggs stronger and give the sperm more targets...I am all for that...i wish my appointment was sooner though so i could start the next cycle...oh well...cant change everything....

on another note...The FPS are EVERYWHERE...i had sore bb's this morning...sorta sore throat, dull backpain. and I have been peeing all day long....so for a girl who didnt O I sure feel like I could be PG;) ...who knows...jsut waiting till next week to find out...:confused:

[ChicagoKate]

Good luck armadillo! 15DPO is great! I'm eagerly awaiting your post tomorrow!

teacher_jessica ~ Per FF, try to take your temps as close to the same time everyday as possible. Insomnia can sometimes screw up your chart. The most important things are (1) try to take your temp after at least 3 hours of sleep and (2) as close to the same time every day.

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These are boring days for me. I am interested in any other info people have re: late ovulation. I O'd on CD27 last month which was LATE for me. I wonder what this means?

[fsb2005]

I am interested in any other info people have re: late ovulation. I O'd on CD27 last month which was LATE for me. I wonder what this means?

I'm interested in this info too. I usually O between CD 17-21. I specifically want to know whether a late O by itself is bad, even if your LP is a normal length and you don't have pre-AF spotting...

I should probably wait to learn this stuff until I've been TTC a few months, but I can't help myself. :rolleyes:

[polkadot]

i ** think** most doctors would say you O late anyday past 14 buts thats just becasue they assume people have a 28 day cycle and they think we all O on day 14...which we all know is not the case. I am going through the same problem right now I know that I O its just to get the doctor to realize that is normal for me...and thats just the way my body works. the nurse did say something about low progestrone in my levels but i was talking to her b/c my doctor is out of town..i will call again on Monday when he is back in twon to get an appt earlier if possible...i am hoping to be calling to tell him I am PG...but either way I will ask the questions we have all been having...and I do think you can have a LP deficiency even if you dont spot...i think i have low progestrone and that is making my LP weak...its still 11-13 days long but most people can stick with a straight number i cant....

I hope that wasnt to much information and that I did help you a little...

QOTD: What questions would you ask your RE/Doctor if you were going tomorrow?

[pride&prejudice]

Happy belated birthday polkadot, and crossing my fingers .

Finger crossed armadillo!


Question for you ladies. I have a tendency to wake up about 15 minutes before my alarm goes off and then drift in and out of sleep till the alarm goes off at 6. Then I usually temp. Should I just stop doing that and temp at 5:45? I'm usually not that conscious enough to do anything at that point, so I just didn't know.

QOTD - I really don't have anything, curious to see what others say though.

[lilhimley]

CC Name: lilhimley
Me: Jennifer 32
DH: Erik 44
Married since: June 7, 2003
Off BCP since: many years
TTC since: August 2005
Charting since: May 2005
Known issues/test results: M/C by D&C 12/07/05
Chart: http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/131d02
Current status: waiting to O

Hi, I've been charting a while and really like it. Glad to join the group. I haven't read the whole thread yet, but I will. Good luck everyone!

[Janey]

Welcome, Lilhimley! I'm looking forward to getting to know ya. :)


QOTD: What questions would you ask your RE/Doctor if you were going tomorrow?

I'd ask for the results from my fasting blood glucose test that I had on Tuesday. I don't think I'm far along enough to have questions. I bet i'll have plenty, very soon though!

And - HAPPY BIRTHDAY, polkadot! :D

[ABirney]

Welcome to the new members!! Hope your stays are short and sweet.
Good luck to those testing or O'ing soon!
Sorry to those AF found.
(I'm so far behind have to keep it short... )

[pocahontas]

FELICITY...I take 3 of the Magnesium with B6 tabs. (It says suggested use for adults is 3 tabs). And according to the facts table that contains a total of 25 mg B6 and 400 mg of Magnesium (with some Calcium thrown in). The Zinc tabs (1 a day) say 22 mg Zinc (again with Calcium thrown in...not sure what that's all about. :rolleyes: )

[honeygirl]

Happy Birthday to the birthday-ladies!

gymwidow - I hear you on the spotting frustration. I just started progesterone last cycle and still had spotting (but less). This cycle we're doing a higher dose which I hope helps. Perhaps your dr will recommend the same?

Welcome lilhimley and miaclear.

Well I need a little help. I'm on CD20 and I think I o'd. I also think that I may be one of those slow to rise people due to progesterone. Since I already know I have progesterone problems couldn't this be likely? The reason I think this is b/c my EWCM was a few days back.

So what do you think? I'm wondering if we timed BD right. We started off strong (remember I'm not telling my DH when we're fertile to keep the illusion of "seeing what happens") but got a bit worn out.

(Note that my temps are a bit lower the last 2 cycles b/c of a new Basal Therm, and I've been getting up earlier with my new job.)

[Bellefior]

I'm not going to get my hopes up based on what my doctor said to us and the fact we have an RE appointment next month. But I am wondering if that's a possible implantation dip @ 5 DPO? Miracles do happen. I'm also wondering if I actually O'ed one day earlier than FF called it? Is 5-6 DPO too early for an implantation dip??? Thoughts anyone???

In any event, I'm still not testing until the end of next weekend, if AF even holds off that long.

Answer to Yesterday's QOTD: I'd ask the RE exactly how low my DH's counts were (didn't get exact figures from my OB/GYN and didn't want to ask because I was so upset already), where they stacked up against a normal SA, what if anything could be done to improve it, what our chances are of conceiving on our own, how much medical intervention does she forsee in order for us to conceive, what she would propose for us, and what is the success rate for people in our situation? (Actually these are all things I should ask her at my June 2 appointment, so maybe I should print this out?)

[miaclear]

I was so excited to wake up this morning and temp so that I could have two dots and a line:rolleyes: I thought for sure I'd have an off the wall temp but nope, I went from 97.9 to 97.86.

Thanks for the welcome ladies!

[Charting is Knowledge]

Updated to here.

Welcome lilhimley!

[fsb2005]

Welcome lilhimley!

honeygirl - you could have O'd, but honestly your temps don't look like it to me. Did you have any other secondary signs of O besides the EWCM? I'm not saying it's not possible, but it's just that there's not much of a shift and 97.3 is pretty low for a post-O temp. I guess you'll have to wait and see...sucks, I know. On the BD front, I'd take a break if you two are exhausted, but pay close attention to your CM so that you can BD if you started seeing the EWCM or watery CM again.

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12 DPO for me. AF isn't due for two days, but I'm pretty positive I'm not pregnant. My temps are coming down (and again, as you can see on the chart overlay, looking extremely similar to a non-pregnant cycle). Also, since we're having the cocktail party at our house tonight, I took an internet cheapie test this morning and it was negative. So, I'm almost 100% positive I'm not pregnant.

But, given the BD timing, I'm not at all surprised (though I was hoping for that girl!).

I'm really not too upset about it though -- this is our first cycle, we did the Shettles timing (and FF gave us a "low" rating for intercourse timing because of it), and we're leaving for Sicily in a week, and this means I can drink all vacation, take an Ambien on the plane, and not have morning sickness on our trip.

So really, it's all for the best. I just need to quiet the crazies in my head that tell me this is proof positive I'm infertile. ;)

[Bellefior]

and we're leaving for Sicily in a week, and this means I can drink all vacation, take an Ambien on the plane, and not have morning sickness on our trip.


Totally unrelated to TTC, but my dad is from Sicily (Palermo to be exact). I haven't been back in about 8 years but love it there. Where will you be going???

[fsb2005]

Bellefior - Well, I have had almost no involvement with planning the trip, so I don't know all the details. We're meeting some distant relatives there in a tiny town called Alia, which is in Provincia di Palermo somewhere. My mom has been planning the trip, since it's sort of a family reunion. But, I have the basic itinerary.

We're going for two weeks, and here's the basic itinerary:

Palermo
Cefalu
Alia (tiny town our relatives are from)
Ragusa
Siracusa
Taormina

I'm very excited!! We'll probably be TTC on the trip, towards the end. :)

[Sebski]

Can I join?

CC Name: Sebski
Me: 29
DH: 31
DS: 6 months
Married since: Oct 2002
TTC since: May 2006
Charting since: March 2005
Known issues/test results: High FSH level confirmed May 2006
Chart: http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/8302a
Current status: waiting to O

We have a 6 month old DS and just found out that I have an elevated FSH level of 12 yesterday. We always wanted our kids close, but decided to bump our TTC #2 up a bit as a result of the FSH results and my family history.

I have a question about FF... I just joined for the VIP membership and there are little green boxes showing up on the bottom row of my chart. I'm thinking they are there to show when FF thinks I'm going to O... is this accurate? If so, I like this feature - very handy! They didn't have it when I first joined a couple of years ago!

[Bellefior]

fsb2005,
For some reason, I am drawing a total blank of where Alia might be, but you will love Palermo (Capital city and lots to do and see). Cefalu has a beautiful cathedral and wonderful beaches. But you will absolutely fall in love with Taormina--I've always told DH if we ever go back to Sicily, we will stay in Taormina and my relatives can drive to see us. Enjoy your trip!

[fsb2005]

Welcome Sebski!

Bellefior Really, I think there are 3,000 people in Alia. I am not surprised you don't know where it is. I think it's up in the hills somewhere...I'm excited now for Taormina -- glad we're ending the trip there.

[armadillo]

16DPO, temp jump this morning, but a BFN! Argh!!!

[Janey]

Honeygirl, I don't think you O'ed. If you have the slow progesterone rise, maybe you did... we'll have to wait and see w/ your temps. If you did O, I think you have perfectly timed BD. :)

fsb2005 - You are not infertile. ;) Have FUN in Italy! How exciting!

Welcome Sebski! What is FSH?


As for me, I am not-so-patiently waiting for AF to show up. Both so that I can have a chance of her being gone by the time we leave for Florida next Thursday, and so I can finally be added to the "Waiting to O" section. Which, I suppose theoretically I'm waiting to O right now... but eh I don't know. It seems like I should at least wait 'till CD1. :)

[Sebski]

FSH is follicle stimulating hormone. Normal range is 3 - 10. My # is a 12. Early menopause runs in my family so that's why DH and I aren't going to wait now for #2.

[fsb2005]

armadillo strange! Looking at your previous charts, it looks like your longest LP has been 15 days? Keep us updated...your chart is looking pretty good!

[jenjen0713]

I would like to join.

CC Name: jenjen0713
Me: 33
DH: 37
Married since: 11/27/04
TTC since: May 2006
Chart: http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/794c9
Current status: 2WW

I was a part of this thread back in 2004-2005 when we were trying to conceive DC #1. We have a 7 month old son as a result of charting. This was always such a supportive and wonderful thread that I want to join again since we are trying to conceive #2. I'm in the 2WW and after AF shows we are going to start TTC.

[Chris~n~Jen]

Welcome Sebski & jenjen0713!

Fingers crossed armadillo!

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The green tea seems to be working so far. I'm not yet at the EWCM stage but I have been noticing more creamy cm already. So that is good. Now if the opk's will work for me this cycle, we may be in business! :p

[lilhimley]

Thanks everyone for all of the warm welcomes and super thanks to the threadmistresses also! :D

honeygirl, I would think that your temps would have gone up had you O'd, but you make a valid point with the progesterone slowing the temp rise. I guess you just have to wait to see. I hate waiting. :mad:

fsb, you're funny! One cycle and you already have the crazies in your head? Oh boy!

Welcome Sebski. I just joined too. If you click on the calendar tab at the top of the FF page it will show calendar format which includes more symbols and a legend. In chart format, the dark green squares should be fertile days, but I prefer the calendar view because I think it's more specific.

armadillo, 16 days is a long LP, interesting. Keep us posted.

Welcome jenjen. Good luck to you!

[ABirney]

fsb have fun on your trip!!
Welcome sebski and jenjen
armadillo Hope you get a BFP soon!

[lawgirl4]

just dropping off baby dust for you all (and especially mrsr!!!) looking good! :)

[honeygirl]

Hi ladies. Thanks for the O advice. I'm pretty sure I o'd b/c it's around the time I do and my CM has dried up. Although my temps are only 97.3, if you look at my prior charts that's close to normal and this month I've been temping a full hour earlier than prior months. Last month I was 97.5-6. So I'm guessing CD19 and am pretty sure ovusoft will tell me that tomorrow. Of course I could be wrong. :)

Really I only want to know at this point b/c I need to start my progesterone if I've O'd. Crossing my fingers.

[miaclear]

Ladies, what does it mean on FF when you some of your circles are solid blue dots and others are just blue outlines?

[jodylovesscotty]

I haven't posted much since I am not really charting this month, only charting cm, bd, and opk's.

Sorry to all those AF found. I really wish she knew how much she wasn't wanted.:mad:

Hoping we can excite this board a little by bringing on some BFP's:)


miaclear ~ the open circles means you either temped at a different time or you indicated not good sleep or something that may affect your temp.

[polkadot]

huge temp drop.....:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[fsb2005]

Well, AF showed a couple of days early.

Threadmistress, can you move me to Waiting to O? Thanks...

Not a big surprise, given intercourse timing and the way my temps were looking. But does anyone know whether it's ok for your LP to vary by two days? I've heard one day is normal, but is two days normal too? I've had it be 12, 13, and 14 days long...The last three cycles have been 14 days, so I was surprised to get AF two days early this time, because I thought normally it doesn't vary that much.

[Chris~n~Jen]

fsb, my LP is anywhere from 9-11 days. So I think your 12-14 is normal.

Nothing new with me. CD10 so gearing up for the bding and opk taking starting tomorrow. ;)

[honeygirl]

fsb2005 - I have also heard that a 2 day difference is normal.

polkadot - I am new to this thread, but I am sorry to see your temp drop. This is an especially hard day to have a charting disappointment. ((hugs))

I was right about my o date, both FF and ovusoft think it was on CD19. I'm wondering why my EWCM was so many days before O (it's usually 1-2 days, not 4), but perhaps it was b/c of high stress those days before O. It's been a rough first try at TTC so far. :(

Please move me to waiting to test. We'll be out of the country during that week, so I'll probably wait till we get back (May 25) if AF hasn't appeared. I think our timing was off, so I'm trying not to expect anything. We did BD on my O date, but if I o'd in the am and then bd in the pm would it be too late? How does that work exactly anyway?

[MrsR]

polkadot -- sorry about the temp drop -- you still are in the game though.

well, no temp drop for me but the spotting started today.:(

I am so upset I just don't know what to say.

[Janey]

MrsR & Polkadot - I'm very sorry about AF & Drops.

Please move me to waiting to test. We'll be out of the country during that week, so I'll probably wait till we get back (May 25) if AF hasn't appeared. I think our timing was off, so I'm trying not to expect anything. We did BD on my O date, but if I o'd in the am and then bd in the pm would it be too late? How does that work exactly anyway?

You should be fine, assuming that you BD'ed within 24 hours of ovulation. When you ovulate, the egg only stays viable for 24 hours. However, sperm can live inside you for 3-5 days. So, any intercourse within 3-5 days of ovulation can get you pregnant. Of course, the closer you get to your ovulation date, the better the chances.

If you go into Ovusoft and hit the "Fertility Planner" thing and go to the "Intercourse" tab, it will tell you what your chances of conceiving are based on the data you entered.

[armadillo]

Grr...I'm in the 2WW again. The FF Guide switched me to FAM detector because she can't believe I'd get a BFN and no AF at 18DPO. With the FAM detector, I'm just like 6 DPO or something. I don't quite believe it because the CM doesn't match up, but what else can I do except keep waiting...

[polkadot]

Armadillo....you need to call the doctor for a beta....just in case you are 18 DPO...some people never get a positive on a HPT...call your doctor tomorrow.....fingers crossed!!!:D

[polkadot]

OK so AF is going to drive me nuts. My temp shot back up this morning....:eek: I tested because it went right back up to where it was but still BFN.:mad: I cannot take this...i wish i had an answer....now!!!

I have to go to work today and I know I will be running to the bathroom every half hour checking to see if she has made her appearance.....

Hope every one has a Happy Monday...so far....mine has sucked!!

[cowgirl]

Welcome all new members!!

Sorry no S/O today.

Nothing new here I am cd 7 so nothing exciting.

[Charting is Knowledge]

Updated to here.

Welcome Sebski and jenjen0713!

[gymwidow]

Morning everyone! I started off my week with good news - I went for a blood test and follie check this morning and after only 3 days on Gonal-F, my body is already responding! :) Each ovary has 4-5 good lookin' follies growing and my uterine lining is already at 6 mm. Depending on my b/w results, I might have to decrease my dosage for the next couple of nights and then I'll go back on Thursday for another check. Hopefully I'll be ready to trigger and we can IUI on Friday! :D

Welcome to our new members and good luck to those testing! We need a BFP in here!

[jessied1025]

Good Morning Ladies:

mrsR Sorry to hear about AF and the temp drop.

Originally posted by polkadot
I have to go to work today and I know I will be running to the bathroom every half hour checking to see if she has made her appearance.....


I do this all the time when AF is around the corner. Hopefully temp jump means she isn't making her appearance!! Crossing my fingers for you.

armadillo I totally agree with polkadot, you should go in for a beta draw. Good luck!!!

gymwidow That is great news about the follies. Here's hoping that this is your month!! :)

Welcome to all the newbies. Hope your stay is short & sweet.

CD12 for me. I think I might have O'd yesterday, well at least I am hoping. I have very watery CM and then last night it was definately EWCM plus I had a temp increase today and hoping for 2 more to follow. We BDing twice yesterday, because DH left for Michigan this morning for the next 4 days on business. We should have BD this morning, but just didn't have time.

[fsb2005]

armadillo - I was wondering too whether you didn't O later...your temps would support it, but your CM doesn't really. Is it possible you weren't checking CM the same way since you thought you were post-O, or is the CM chart pretty accurate? Oh well, at least your BD timing is still looking good even with this new estimated O date! You should win a prize though for longest 2WW. :)

MrsR - let us know what happens. My fingers are crossed! It sounds like spotting can happen even if you are pregnant, so don't lose hope yet...

polkadot - interesting that your temp is back up! And this is a pretty long LP for you too...on the other hand, a little strange that you're getting a BFN when you've gotten a BFP at 13 DPO before. Maybe just a late implant?? Fingers crossed for you!

gymwidow - glad to hear things are going well! Fingers crossed that this is your cycle!

Happy Monday everyone!

[ChicagoKate]

armadillo ~ Sorry things are so confusing for you. I think your chart is really hard to read. IMO, no obvious O date for you. I agree that maybe you are just one who does not test positive with urine. Good luck to you!

gymwidow ~ Good news about the follies! I am keeping my fingers crossed for you and your upcoming IUI.

~~~~
CD9 for me. Not much going on other than a LOT of BDing this weekend!

[jenjen0713]

Thanks to everyone for the warm welcome!! I'm just anxiously waiting for AF to show up so we can officially get started TTC.

Chris~n~Jen - I always had great luck with green tea! Good luck with BDing!

polkadot and MrsR - Sorry to hear about the temp drops and spotting. Ugh. :(

fsb2005 - Sorry AF showed up. :mad:

armadillo - Could it be possible that you delayed Oing due to stress or something?? You are right though that the CM doesn't match up. :confused:

gymwidow - What wonderful news for you!! I'm sure you are excited!

I'm on LJ as well if anyone wants me to friend them just let me know!

[armadillo]

Thanks for all your input, guys. I have no idea what the heck is going on, so I'll just stick out another 2WW. I know I was checking my CM at the same time (and even multiple times during the day) when AF time was getting closer, so I don't think I would have missed any fertile CM during the first 2WW. With the first O date that FF gave me (CD14), there was no mistaking the watery CM...I didn't list it every day because I was getting it up to 5 days before O and I didn't believe it. :p It's been a while since I had had a CD14 O. Usually it's been later.

Polkadot, sorry to hear about the temp drop. Hopefully the temp rise is a good sign!

Jessie, sounds like you covered your bases before DH left.

Gymwidow, glad to hear about your good news!!!!

[Felicity]

Whew! It's been busy in here since I left for a long weekend!

Welcome lilhimley, Sebski, & jenjen0713!!!!

pocahontas - Thank you very much for the amounts of the supplements you take. I think I've decided I'm not going to anything until DH & I have been trying for a few months, but I wanted to have all the info in case I decide to! I also have some OPKs on hand for later if I decide to use those as well (as MrsHill's doc suggested).

armadillo - Fingers crossed for you that your *second* 2WW has a great outcome!

fsb2005 - Italy sounds fabulous!!! Enjoy your trip!

Nothing exciting for me. Still just waiting to O. Realizing my long cycles might make all the waiting a bit more maddening, but other than that I'm doing well :)

[kanga1622]

Welcome to all the new folks. Work is nuts for me so I'm sorry I don't have time for individual welcomes.

CD 24 and still waiting to O. Where's a sleeping smiley when you need it? Hopefully we can get in some more BD since work will ease up for both DH and me starting on Wed. :)

[polkadot]

still hangin out...no AF yet...this wait is killing me...:confused:

[gymwidow]

Quickie update..... the doctor wants me to decrease my dosage of the Gonal-F tonight and come back in tomorrow for another round of b/w and u/s. I'm guessing that if all looks good, they'll have me trigger tomorrow night or Wednesday and IUI before the end of the week!

honeygirl, I had already been on an increased dosage of progesterone; I had the same spotting problem during my second month on the supplements. I will definitely be asking about taking more after this week's IUI!

fsb2005, so sorry about AF.

polkadot, yesterday's temp drop was little, and you're only 13DPO, so you're still in it!

Thanks, everyone, for the good wishes!

[honeygirl]

polkadot - I'd be going crazy if I was you as well! It looks like your LP is longer than usual, that's good news!

gymwidow - Good luck, looks like things are lining up for you! Best wishes on this cycle. I have a question about progesterone. Do you find that it raises your temperature more than usual? Does it give you any other false symptoms?

MrsHill - Thanks for the info on BD timing. So maybe we accidentially did it just right. I told DH yesterday and he's freaking out a little. It seems like his desire to TTC comes and goes. Mine doesn't. That said I don't think we're pregnant (even though I'm only 5DPO) b/c I don't feel any different. Wouldn't I feel different?

[Janey]

Gymwidow - Fingers crossed for you! :D

honeygirl - Probably not feeling different at 5dpo. That's early for even implantation... so probably early to feel any differently. :)


Today is CD1 of my first TTC Cycle. Threadmistres, please move me to Waiting to O. Heeeere comes the roller-coaster ride!

[Delaney21]

just stopping in to drop off some *baby dust*!

[Jess71903]

Hi ladies, I am WAY behind...I would just SO what I can remember.

polkadot- good thoughts to you!!

gymwidow- yay on possible triggering! I love that what your dr. had you on it working TOO well!

Delaney- thanks for the baby dust! We need it!

me-not sure really. I am in the "taking a break section" but I charted lightly this month- dumb idea! I forgot to temp every morning until CD 12 and I usually O on CD 14. FF called my O CD 18 but I think 14 looks more likely, although I didn't go up to about 98 degrees until this morning when I temped (missed for 2 days). Anyway could that a big dip at 4DPO could be implantation??? That would be awful early! **Note to self-either chart or don't. Anything in between will make you crazy!!!

[mrs_pell]

**Note to self-either chart or don't. Anything in between will make you crazy!!!

I haven't read anything but the last page from today, but I definitely, DEFINITELY agree with this! I was not so good about it this month, and it's been driving me crazy since I'm pretty sure I did O at CD14, but FF will only give me a dotted line (if I disregard one of my previous temps). I want a pretty solid line! ;)

[Jess71903]

So, this obsession led me to add in a fake CD11 temp in keeping with the others and FF changed my O from CD 18 to CD 14- Good, I guess! So now what does that humungous dip at 4DPO mean???

[Smittenk]

Threadmistress, can you please move me to Waiting to O...Thanks!!

I have a question for you all...How do I know if I am in fact ovulating?? I have read post in other forums with women saying that they weren't o'ing...or their doctor confirmed that they were o'ing etc etc. So how do women know that they aren't ovulating??

[Sebski]

Would someone mind taking a look at my chart? I was surprised by a tiny dip in temp this morning... we tried covering our bases over the w/e (my doc said that BD'ing every other day is better than every day) but now I'm worried about this morning's dip. DH is working late tonight so we can't BD tonight to cover it and he leaves before I temp in the morning so we didn't get any morning action in. I *thought* I o'd on Sat/Sun based on CM, temp and some cramps but maybe I was wrong? What do you think?

[gymwidow]

Another follie check today showed that my lining is thickening, my right ovary has about 4 good follies (2 up to 11 mm), and my left ovary has about 6 getting ready. They'll call me with my blood test results later and let me know when to come in next.

honeygirl, I don't think the fake progesterone raises my temps more than real progesterone does. I think I have a tendency to have a gradual rise in temp after O (I've only O'd on my own 2-3 times, out of about a dozen cycles), so for me when I start taking the progesterone 2 days after O, I see a sharper rise than I would normally. But that's just me. I don't think it matters much; there really isn't a need to temp if you're taking prog. b/c you know it will keep your temps high as long as you're on it, i.e., you can't in that case use temps as a pregnancy indicator. I haven't found that it gives me any other FPS. You might never feel different, even if you are pg. I know a lot of women who had "symptoms" every month they were pregnant and not a single one when they got their BFP!

Mrs Hill, thanks!

Jess71903, yup, I seem to respond really well to these meds! I just hope my body cooperates with the rest of it this time. LOL to your note to self - you're definitely right about that!

Smittenk, from looking at your last few charts, it looks to me like you are ovulating. If you're not sure and want confirmation, your doctor can run blood tests at certain times in your cycle to see (ask to go in a week after you think you O'd and they'll be able to tell by your progesterone level whether you O'd or not).

Sebski, 0.1 is not a dip to be worried about. Your temp will naturally fluctuate from day to day. If you had O'd Saturday or Sunday your temp most likely would have already gone up by now. From looking at your chart I would say you haven't O'd yet. BD tonight if you can when DH gets home, just in case, or just BD tomorrow night instead. If you O today, you still have Sunday's swimmers floating around to take care of things, and if you O tomorrow, a BD tomorrow night will deposit fresh boys to do their job!

[polkadot]

another temp drop....:mad: :( :mad: :( :mad: why does this have to be so hard!!!

[ABirney]

Hey ladies... hope everyone is doing well!
Sorry to those AF showed for.
polkadot hopefully the witch stays away!
gymwidow Hope this is it for you!
Good luck to everyone else I missed! (I'm a bit behind... )

I tried to look at some of your charts but for some reason some of the FF ones are coming up missing the past week or two... (and I know they must be posted because others have commented on them!) So that is really wierd.... yet other FF ones are complete through today.. :confused:
Oh Ovusoft tried telling me yesterday I was pg.. lol... said something to the effect of "due to your extended cycle length you may be pg.. congrats!" hmm nope sorry just annov... so I had to override that. Oh well.
We are on vacation this week... putting in our garden and flowerbeds and doing spring cleaning... love finally having a house and yard!!! I did over sleep this morning so temped late.... not that it matters at this point.. lol.
Well have a great day everyone!

[MrsR]

Hey ladies, no time for SOs -- I will be back later.

Just wanted to let you know I still have no clue what the heck is up with me. I "spotted" (I say "spotted" b/c I am not really sure if it was spotting or just light AF, but so far, no red blood) yesterday morning and last night but nothing in between and so far no spotting today. Could not temp b/c one of our dogs was sick last night so I was up all night . . .

[pocahontas]

Threadmistress, can you please move me to Waiting to O...Thanks!!

I have a question for you all...How do I know if I am in fact ovulating?? I have read post in other forums with women saying that they weren't o'ing...or their doctor confirmed that they were o'ing etc etc. So how do women know that they aren't ovulating??In most cases you can tell if you're o'ing if you have a distinctly biphasic chart. So basically after AF you'd have markedly low temps (97-97.5 on average) for 2-3 weeks followed by a drastic temp rise (for most of us 97.9 and above) that lasts anywhere from 10-16 days which is the average length of a LP (luteal phase) before AF's return again then you can be pretty sure you are O'ing. If you look at your last chart it seems to show exactly what I described.

[ChicagoKate]

Sebeski ~ I looked at your chart and agree that you probably did not O yet. Did you temp early or late today? You have an open circle so I assume you did. Temping at a different time can cause your temp to be off. FF has a temp adjuster feature but I don't use it. I think that you haven't O'd and should continue the BDing. Good luck!

SmittenK ~ Your chart from last cycle definitely looks like you ovulated. If you have an annovulatory cycle, you will not have the clear shift in temps from the pre-O to the post-O periods. Abirney just posted that she is having an annovulatory cycle, so take a look at her chart and see how it differs from yours.

Polka ~~ That sucks about the temp drop! Fingers crossed that the HO stays away for you.

Good luck gymwidow! The follie size looks GREAT!

~~~
CD10 for me. Boooooooring. But my sex drive is through the roof which is always fun!

[armadillo]

Yawn...another 7 days of my SECOND 2WW. Or day 20 of my first "2WW". I'm getting sick of this!!!

Polkadot, sorry to see that temp drop this morning. It's still above the CL, so hopefully it's okay.

[Sebski]

Thanks ladies... I'm so upset because DH has a dinner w/ clients tonight and won't be home until late. I really thought I was set to O on Sunday so we really took advantage that morning/eve etc. How long do his swimmers last? If I O today could we still be in the game for this month? I'll have to tell him to scoot home right after dinner in case I don't O until tomorrow...

Edited to add that I temp'd about an hour later than usual today because DS actually slept in for once.

[Smittenk]

Thanks so much for all your help ladies! That makes alot of sense :)

[fsb2005]

MrsR - when are you testing?

[MrsR]

fsb2005 -- not sure when I will test -- it appears the spotting may have started up again:(. If it stops again, I will probably test tomorrow.

[gymwidow]

polkadot, it's only a little drop, and your temp is still high. It ain't over yet!

ABirney, wouldn't you like to tell the computer off sometimes?! I hope you're having a great vacation!

Mrs R, I'm crossing my fingers for you!

ChicagoKate, thanks!

Armadillo, the 2WW sucks. I usually do pretty good during the first week, but as I get closer to double digit DPO I get more antsy. Good luck waiting!

Sebski, his swimmers can live up to 5 days. So if you O today, Sunday's swimmers should still be floating around, and if you O tomorrow and BD tomorrow night, you'll have a fresh batch to work with.

[fsb2005]

MrsR - a 15 day LP looks long for you. If your temp is still up tomorrow and you're still only spotting, I'd test. Unless a BFN is going to be too demoralizing...

[polkadot]

this sucks!!!!

The spotting has begun...i cant believe that we have been offically trying for a year...i am so sad...:( :(

On to cycle 12:mad: :mad:

[MrsR]

polkadot -- I am so sorry. I know how you feel though. It seems all of my friends and family members are preggers and it is so frustrasting that DH and I can't seem to "get it right" {{{hugs}}}

[gymwidow]

Polkadot, I'm so sorry. Sending you many hugs.....

Another update - the RE wants me to decrease my dosage all the way down to the bare minimum tonight, take nothing tomorrow, and come back Thursday for another check. I'm pretty sure that'll be it and I can trigger and IUI on Friday. They wanted me to come back tomorrow, but I have a business meeting out of town and just can't do it. Hopefully that won't mess anything up!

[jenjen0713]

armadillo - Sorry you are still in the 2WW. Ugh, how frustrating for you.

Felicity - thanks for the welcome!

kanga1622 - Good luck gettign BDing in!

polkadot - So sorry about the spotting. Many hugs to you!

honeygirl - I didn't feel anything until I was 10DPO and I noticed I was thirsty beyond belief. Like someone else posted, some people get symptoms early and some never get any. Good luck!

MrsHill - Hope your first TTC cycle goes quickly.

Sebski - I'm with the others in that I don't think you've O'd yet. DH just needs to suck it up tonight and take one for the team! :p

gymwidow - Sounds like good news about the follies!

ABirney - Congrats on having your first house!

MrsR - I spotted right about the time I was expecting AF when I first got pregnant. Hopefully it just remains spotting and it is a little baby burrowing down! :)

ChicagoKate - Could you share some of that sex drive with me? Mine seems to be lost and I haven't been able to find it. :p

[MrsR]

question for those of you who have taken clomid -- I am going to start this cycle (spotting counts as CD 1 so I am CD 3) and I was told to take it CD 5-9, wait 5 days and then BD every other day for 5 days -- does this sound right to you?? I know clomid can make you O earleir and since I O around CD 18-20 now, I am afraid waiting until CD 14 to start BDing may be too late . . .

[polkadot]

good question Mrs.R...i just asked the same thing in my journal....are you not Oing at all or is it to make your eggs stronger and etc? I am having the same problem...actually i usually dont O until 18-20.

I am seriously thinking of buying some via the internet...b/c i think when I call my dr tomorrow he is going to be reluctant to give it to me for this cycle...

I would like to hear the repsonses....

[MrsR]

are you not Oing at all or is it to make your eggs stronger and etc?

I am Oing, but I am going on clomid to increase the "targets" for DH's sperm

[polkadot]

did he put you on a lower doseage or the standard 50? I am really considering this...does anyone think I am crazy....:o

[Chris~n~Jen]

I didn't even know you could buy drugs like clomid via internet without a prescription. Is it safe?? Normally when your on clomid don't you go to the drs office frequently to be monitored?

polkadot since your starting cycle 12 why don't you think your doctor will be open to starting testing and maybe actually prescribe something for you?

Sorry your going through this. I know it's frustrating, :( {{HUGS}}

[polkadot]

i have only done bloodwork sor far....so i think he will be a little reluctant that s all...i am going to call tomorrow and see what he thinks...i dont know about the interent pharmacies...i was just gonna look into it...but either way i dont think I will do it without him monitoring me...i dotn want to be unsafe...i just really dont want to wait it out another cycle..i want to start it this cycle...i am getting impatient....its been a year....:o

[lilhimley]

Hi Everyone.

I haven't posted in a few days (very unlike me), so there is too much to respond to. Real quick:

Polkadot - I'm so sorry you're sad. I hope you know that you are not alone. Man I hate the temp drops!

MrsR - I hope the dog is feeling better.

As for me, I've been MIA from here because I've been swamped at work. My boss was let go so now I am the only one in my dept(used to be 3 of us) and it's all been dumped on me. Don't get me wrong, I'm looking forward to the opportunity to show what I can do, it's just going to be pretty crazy for a while, if not forever. I have to try to balance work and life so the stress doesn't affect TTC. I'll try to check in here more often to keep up on SO's.

Is it really May 16th and no BFPs? What's up with that? Good luck to everyone in whatever stage you are in.

FYI, the cheap OPKs I got from eBay are working so far. Well, they show a negative so far, but I should see a positive in about a week.

[MrsR]

polkadot -- I am using a 50 mg dose -- no monitoring for me though -- I am just going to hope BDing works this month :rolleyes:

lilhimley -- thanks for the positive thoughts for my dog -- she is my baby:)

Well, took at HPT and came up BFN (shocker). Anyway, I am going to call it as AF is sure to come full force either tonight or tomorrow.

Threadmistress, please move me to "Waiting to O". Thanks!

[Sebski]

Quick post since I should be getting ready for work but thanks for help w/ my chart yesterday... my temp shot up this morning and we got in another BD session late last night after DH got home from his dinner. :) Does the temp jump mean I o'd yesterday sometime or I will w/in 24/72 hours after the rise?

Thanks for all the help!

[Smittenk]

Does the temp jump mean I o'd yesterday sometime or I will w/in 24/72 hours after the rise?


As far as I know it means you O'd yesterday sometime...the temp jump means that you have o'd so getting in the BD session last night was probably pretty great timing!

[jodylovesscotty]

MrsR~ I responded to your question in the Clomid forum, but will respond here as well. I took clomid on days 3 - 7 so a little different from yours. However you may or may not ovulate early. The first month I ovulated 2 days early and then the next two months I ovulated around day 17 like I did pre-clomid. If you do OPK's that will help you too. I took them starting 3 days after my last clomid pill. Hope this information helps.

Polkadot~ I would make an appointment and talk to your doctor about clomid. But dont' be too optimistic about the clomid either. This is my 3rd month of taking it and the last two were busts and I was Oing on my own. Have you had a HSG done and DH a SA? Believe me I know what you are going through, we have been trying for a year and 5 months now.


Well I said that I wasn't going to temp, but I figured this is our last cycle of taking clomid before other measures are taken, I would temp and do OPK's to detect ovulation. I had a huge temp jump this morning and thought I would. I had really bad ovulation pains and the good thing was they were on the left side (where my good tube is)! I will wait a few days to confirm ovulation (even though I played around with FF and it will give me cross hairs after 2 more high temps) and then I may change my status from taking a temping break!

[polkadot]

So, I called the doctor...I have an appt. at 2:30 this afternoon....i am kinda worried that maybe this was another chem pg. This is the longest i've gone without a period including Jan when I had the chem pg...and like Jan, it started with some spotting for a few days then af arrived. I really thought i would wake up with AF today but nope...and the spotting has pretty much stopped...i hope its not another chem pg and that its just my body acting weird....but at least I will get to talk to the doctor and see what his next step will be....

So everyone....fingers crossed this is not another chem pg and that somehting good comes out of this appointment....

[Chris~n~Jen]

Fingers crossed for you polkadot!

[MrsR]

fingers crossed for you polkadot

jodylovesscotty -- thanks for posting again -- I have a fertility monitor so I will continue to use that this cycle and OPKs. Glad you finally got a +!!!

*****
Well after looking back at my notes at home about my "spotting" I decided to change it to light AF on FF since I think technically it was heavier than spotting. I never know how to record spotting, but since TMI ALERT I had tinges of pink/red intermixed with the brown on my tampon, I am going to record it as light AF instead of spotting. So far I have not had more than the small amount of brown and red on the tampon so hopefully today it will become more "full force" but I am going to say today is CD3.

Here is my question, I had brown "spotting" on Sunday so according to my Dr. I am CD 4. All the research I read on the internet said you count the first day of "flow" not spotting as CD1 for purposes of the clomid -- do you think it makes a difference? If I go by my doctor's orders, I will start the clomid tomorrow, if I go by flow, I start on Friday . . . I don't want to start too late -- do you think earlier is better and just start it tomorrow (even though that is technically day 4 of flow . . .)

[Chris~n~Jen]

Sorry I haven't been very good about SO's lately. I'm still reading along daily (ok, all day long :rolleyes: ). I just still haven't been able to shake the TTC blues. Even though I am on CD13 so things to start to get more exciting now.

DH and I have been bickering a lot more about TTC lately. We got in a big fight over the weekend about how long we've been trying. This is cycle 8 for me but only cycle 5 since I've been charting. We got married in October and knew we were not going to prevent and "see what happens" right away. Of course me being impatient pretty much made sure that we timed our bding right from the very start. I started using OPK's and noting CM in November. So to me this is our 8th cycle of "trying". Chris on the other hand doesn't really want to count it as "trying" until we started temping. :eek: Ummm, I keep telling him that there are plenty of couples who never chart and all and only "see what happens" who get pregnant. Would he not consider them as trying to have a baby! :confused:

He then told me that I am probably stressing myself out more (or as I took it, stressing my body and that may be why we haven't gotten preggo) by temping and using OPK and so forth. So I ended up throwing my therometer in the trash (luckily it was in its hard plastic case and the trash bag was new). We eventually pulled it out of the trash and steralized it.

I think it just makes him feel bad and like there is something he is doing wrong that is causing us not to get preggo which is why he is refusing to believe that it is our 8th cycle. So anyway, we're all better and he is making sure I temp. It's just frustrating to have arguments about things like this. It also doesn't help that some of our friends view me as the resident expert in all things pregnancy related. A lot of times we are with our friends they start asking me questions about their cycles and so forth and it turns into a discussion. So it feels like I'm always thinking or talking about TTCing. We've decided to stop all public talking of anything TTC related. I'll just have the tell them that I don't really feel up to answering their questions or something and hope they understand. :(

Ok, Sorry about the vent. I just had to get it out and I knew you girls would understand.

[Bellefior]

I am just so aggravated with my body right now. Despite what the doctor said about DH's SA, despite the fact that we have an appointment with an RE June 2, despite some temp drops after O'ing this cycle, I let myself hope against all hopes when my temp shot up to to 98.7 this morning. Then I went to the bathroom and have started spotting bright red...looks like AF may be on her way. I knew deep down that this month wasn't going to be our month either, so why did I sucker myself into believing that it might have been?If this is going to happen, why couldn't it happen at home where I could allow myself the luxury of a breakdown rather than here at work??????

[armadillo]

Bellefior, I'm with you on the temp jump then AF showing up.

I'm waiting to O again. My chart was a mess this month, so I have no idea when I actually O'd anyway.

[Chris~n~Jen]

Well one good thing is happening...... seems the green tea & grapefruits are working.


I've been drinking green tea almost every day for the last 2 weeks. I haven't really seen any increase until today. This morning I ate a grapefruit and also drank my tea. Well now I'm swimming in CM.

So not really sure if it's the green tea or the grapefruit or maybe a combo of the two. :p But that makes me happy.

Hopefully today I'll get my positive OPK!


This thread has been kinda quite today! I hope everyone is having good days. :)

Bellefior, Big {{{HUGS}}}! So sorry you were dissapointed today. At least you do have a plan of action.

[Chris~n~Jen]

{{{HUGS}}} to you also, armadillo. :(

I can't believe we are so far into this thread without one BFP! It's crazy! :( :mad: :(

[jessied1025]

Hi Ladies,

Sorry no time for SO's. Sorry to all who had AF show...HUGS!!

This definately has been a long time without on BFP!! :(

CD14 here. DH has been out of town since Monday and with my temp jump this morning its looking like I might have O'd yesterday, which doens't match my CM. Who knows!! I am pretty sure if I did O yesterday it will not be our month. :(

[Janey]

Well one good thing is happening...... seems the green tea & grapefruits are working.
WOOT! :D Right on, Chris-n-Jen! Glad it's helping.

Speaking of which... I have a QOTD: Those of you who check CM, do you check Internally or Externally?


No update on my end... except that I got AF just in time for us to go on our mini-vacation to Florida. :rolleyes:

[JayJay]

Bellefior, I'm with you on the temp jump then AF showing up.

Me three! When this first happened to me, I thought for sure I was preggo because of the jump. But , um.....not so much pregnant! ;)

[honeygirl]

QOTD: Those of you who check CM, do you check Internally or Externally?

Externally.

Originally Posted by armadillo
Bellefior, I'm with you on the temp jump then AF showing up.

I've had some very pretty tri-pastic (sp?) charts while TTA. I was sure we were pregnant even though we weren't trying. But no, they were just pretty. ;)

[lilhimley]

Hi Everyone.

I haven't posted in a few days (very unlike me), so there is too much to respond to. Real quick:

Polkadot - I'm thinking positive thoughts for you.

Jenifer - Glad you and DH are over the argument. It's so tough going through this and people who are not going through it don't/can't understand. We're here for you so keep venting when you need to.

QOTD: Externally. I look at the TP and maybe feel around a little. I also read that you should look in the toilet because it often drops into the toilet when you pee.

As for me, I've been MIA from here because I've been swamped at work. My boss was let go so now I am the only one in my dept(used to be 3 of us) and it's all been dumped on me. Don't get me wrong, I'm looking forward to the opportunity to show what I can do, it's just going to be pretty crazy for a while, if not forever. I have to try to balance work and life so the stress doesn't affect TTC. I'll try to check in here more often to keep up on SO's.

Is it really May 17th and no BFPs? What's up with that? Good luck to everyone in whatever stage you are in.

FYI, the cheap OPKs I got from eBay are working so far. Well, they show a negative so far, but I should see a positive in about a week.

[JayJay]

i hope its not another chem pg and that its just my body acting weird....


Lauren, you sparked a question that's been hanging out in the back of my brain.....I see you've tested a couple of times, and that you've had a unusually long LP (compared to your others..) And that you've mentioned that it might be a chemical. Which I'm hoping it's not. I'm so hoping this is a good thing for you! :D

Okay, at the risk of sounding stupid, I'm going to ask this question.

I've had some unusually long LP's. One was 17 days, in fact. I always thought that it was rather unusual for a person to have that long of a LP, and thought maybe I was just going to get a late BFP....nope. Just a super duper long LP is all I got out of that cycle.

Anyway, I was wondering if a person did in fact have a chemical pregnancy, is there a chance that you never test positive? I mean, conception occurs, but you still never get a BFP? Am I making myself clear, or just talking in circle?!

I tested twice that cycle (Dec 15th cycle) and got BFN's both times. It was a fairly decent looking chart, and the temp jump on 14 DPO really threw me off. I guess that's the only reason that I've got this question.

Any insight on this would be wonderful...I'm just curious. TIA!

[polkadot]

So here it is ladies.....

I went to the doctor..they did a urine test : BFN, so that settles that...he is convinced that I did not O this cycle no matter what the monitor or the chart says....when they tested my progest at cycle day 21 it was 4. which is like nill he says. So if i oed either on 18 or 20...still way too low...i am wondering how my temps go up all the time and etc...but i am going with him and agreeing that i didnt O. He asked me what my next course of action was...because i needed to make the decision. I decided to go with the Clomid (duh) so....i have my perscription for Clomid for days 3-7 and for Estrace for days 8-12, then on day 21 (here we go again) i will go for a blood draw to see if I Oed on the Clomid and to test my progest. If i have O'ed I get progest.! Yay! :D

SO thats the plan...i am very happy with it. The only thing I forgot to ask him was if i could take the generic for both the clomid and estrace...anyone had experience with those?

Now..all i have to do is wait for AF to arrive in full force....***tapping foot** never thought i would be so happy to see her ;)

Ohhh another question...do you think i should still temp...i wouldnt want to think that I am Oing when I am really not...by going with my temps...i am trying to decide if i should just use the monitor or do both. opinions please!!!

wow that was long...thanks again to all of you are sticking it out with me...couldnt do it with out ya'll!!;)

[polkadot]

Mrsjackson you are not crazy...it is probably possible for that to happen...because i got my BFp and the next day it was gone...if you only tested every other day and you missed the highest point of you Hcg hormone i guess it possible...i wouldnt freak out though...it was very rough...b/c i had seen the BFP...but if you do get one...dont worry the doctors did nothing different for me in preperation for the next BFP...i am only just starting CLoimd b/c i dont O and my progest. was low...this time...when i did get my bfp my progest was fine...so what are the odds? Pretty low...fingers crossed we all get our bfp's very soon...we need some good news here....:D

I hope that helped answer your question..i have readmany places that chem pg's happen a lot we just never know about them...:rolleyes:
(((hugs))

[JayJay]

Lauren- Thanks for responding so fast!
I only tested twice that cycle...so I guess I could have missed it...but I doubt it. I'll never know, I guess! :D

[Chris~n~Jen]

Jenifer - Glad you and DH are over the argument. It's so tough going through this and people who are not going through it don't/can't understand. We're here for you so keep venting when you need to.

Thank you! I knew you girls would understand me here.

QOTD~I check externally. I usually just look to see what's on the tp. Honestly, I never could really figure out how to check internally. :rolleyes:


TMI Question alert!!! Ok, while Bding is it ok for, ummm... the female to orgasm after the male has? I've heard both ways. One said it is good because the contractions will help pull the sperm closer to the cervix while other things I've read say it's not good because the contractions could actually push the sperm farther away. Anybody have any ideas on this???

[Baby Lust]

Mrs Jackson, When I had my chemical pg, I tested + (very very very light) with one test and a few hours later, complete BFN. And then there are some women who are full blown pg and never test + on a HPT. And some don't even get a + on a blood test!! It can happen, though I don't know the statistics.

Jen, The Discovery Health Channel said it is better for a female to orgasm after the male because it pulls the sperm in. When you orgasm, things go in, not out. Sorry.. wish I had a more technical explanation but I remember that episode clear as day because it was something that applied to me and I had wondered the same thing. So make sure hubby spends a bit of extra time on you afterwards and good luck!!



~ * ~ * ~ * ~BABY DUST~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~

[jodylovesscotty]

Polkadot~ I take the generic form of Clomid and it has worked fine. If you have a Costco by you, I would advise getting it there. It only cost $13.00 for the generic and other places I researched cost around $50. You don't have to be a member to go there either. Good luck on your next step!

Threadmistress can you please move me to I think I Oed, testing week of the 29th.:)

[Chris~n~Jen]

Jen, [/b]The Discovery Health Channel said it is better for a female to orgasm after the male because it pulls the sperm in. When you orgasm, things go in, not out. Sorry.. wish I had a more technical explanation but I remember that episode clear as day because it was something that applied to me and I had wondered the same thing. So make sure hubby spends a bit of extra time on you afterwards and good luck!!

Thank you so much! I'm glad to know we are doing things right. ;)

[kanga1622]

QoTD - externally. I started checking internally when I was first charting but then I was having to write down C or EW for every single day. If I check externally, I only really see it on the very heavy CM days so I know that I'm having a hormone change.

~~~~AF VIBES~~~~ for Polkadot so she can get started on the Clomid.

CD27 here. Lots of EW yesterday so I'm hoping that I O today and have a temp jump tomorrow! :)

[gymwidow]

Quickie post before I go into a meeting..... I had another round of b/w and u/s done this morning. I have 4 mature eggs ready to release and will trigger tonight at home with either Lupron (sp?) or Ovidrel, depending on what my estrogen levels are. We'll IUI on Saturday.

I'm excited and hopeful that this will be it! :D

[Chris~n~Jen]

Crossing fingers for you gymwidow!

[jenjen0713]

Wow, this is an active group...I love it!!

AF arrived and so I'm ready to move on to my first TTC cycle! Never thought I'd be happy to have her as a guest, but I am. So, for those of you in the 2WW, I'm going to try and keep her busy at my house, so she'll forget all about visiting you! :D

Threadmistress, Could you move me to waiting to O?

[Bellefior]

Well ladies, its official AF has arrived full force today.

After 1 year (13 cycles of charting) and the news from the doctor, its pretty clear that we are probably not going to get pregnant on our own without some form of assistance. What that may be, I have yet to find out. Our first RE appointment is June 2nd. Anyway, I guess what I am really trying to say is that I'm going to remove myself from this thread roster, at least for now.

I wish all of you wonderful ladies much luck and lots of baby dust on your journey to motherhood. So while my path on this journey is going in a different direction for now, the ultimate destination is still the same. Best of luck to all of you.

Threadmistress, please remove my name and stats from this thread. Please also make sure my chart link is removed. Thank you.

[Charting is Knowledge]

Updated to here.

Good luck Bellefior!

[pocahontas]

Hey ladies! Just checkin' in and I had to catch up on 4 pages! WHOA! With so much talking going on I was sure I musta missed a BFP! :( *sigh* But alas...we are still without a BFP sighting. And although AF isn't here yet for me my temp has dropped...so I am thinking this cycle won't be it for me either.

Today I have a big RE appt. to go over all the test results (b/w, SA, and u/s) and move on to the next course of action...whatever that may be. (LAUREN! I may be coming to JOIN you! ;) ) We'll see how things go...

[polkadot]

thanks for the vibes Kanga!! Never thought I'd be asking for those..;)

I cant wait to start this next cycle...i am really hoping Clomid does the trick....i know that i should not be all my hope into this cycle and I am not...i am going to try and just temp and use OPK's and stay calm....i know that Clomid gives you pretty charts...so i am going to try and not read too much into it....I will be on vacation during testing time so i wont be able to sit around and think about testing...because i will be on the beach...like this :cool:

Good Luck Bellefior...keep us posted....

Come on girlies...we need some BFP's!!!

[polkadot]

we cross posted...come on girlie...I'll be waiting for you in Clomidland!!!

[ABirney]

Hi ladies!
bellefior we'll miss you here... good luck at the RE and come back and let us know when you get your BFP!
polkadot good luck on the clomid!
gymwidow how exciting! Hope you catch the eggs!
pocahontas good luck at your RE appt!
kanga catch your eggie too!
qotd I always check internal because I don't get much mucous and I would just be "moist" every day... even when I have EWCM I don't get hardly anything external usually.
Sorry to anyone I missed!

[kanga1622]

Good luck Bellefior - hopefully you'll be back very soon to pass on wonderful news with just a little help from the RE.

What a slump we are in for BFPs. Maybe we need to round up a few new members. Or maybe it is just a stressful time of year for all of us and that is causing a few wacky cycles.

[gymwidow]

Mrs R, I was told that you tend to O about 5-7 days after finishing Clomid. That's pretty much when I did (although I triggered my O, but I was ready to O about 5 days after my last dose). But I doubt an earlier BD will hurt anything!

MHO about taking drugs w/o a doc's prescription - I think it's a bad idea. These drugs interact with our own hormones and bodies in different ways and our dosage is often based on our current hormone levels (hence the need for CD3 b/w before starting any meds). There are also potential side effects that cannot be dismissed. Also, you're limited in the number of "allowable" Clomid cycles, so it might not be a good idea to "waste" a cycle or two on your own if your doc might eventually put you on it.

lilhimley, good luck with everything at work!

Sebski, your temp only jumps AFTER you O, so good work getting that BD session in on Tuesday!

Chris~n~Jen, my DH and I had a similar discussion about how to figure out how long we've been "trying." Technically, we stopped preventing last June and "tried" for 3 months before we thought something might be wrong and went for testing. Then we had two cycles (that lasted almost 4 months total) where we "tried" but it was for nothing since they were long annovulatory cycles. We started with treatment in November and have had 5 assisted cycles and one unassisted cycle since then. I say we've been trying for almost a year, but with help since November. DH once accused me of being too obsessed with everything, b/w my reading, charting, chatting with you guys, etc. I told him that it helped me to do those things and that I would be more stressed if I were to give it up and just leave things to Mother Nature (who evidently is falling asleep on the job). I don't think he got it for a while, but finally seems to be understanding of that now and just supports whatever I decide to do. Oh, and I think it's better for the female to orgasm after the male. It definitely sucks all those boys way up inside.

MrsHill, I usually check externally. Sorry about AF's timing - that sucks!

polkadot, my RE is not a fan of charting. He says that's it's not always accurate and that the only true way to tell what's going is through blood tests. And he's been right with me before - I had O'd once and my temp never even went up! I'm glad he's on board with you taking Clomid and I'm glad that AF is here so you can get started! I took generic Clomid and it was fine. I don't know what estrace is. If you're going to be monitored on Clomid (i.e., CD21 b/w) then you don't "need" to temp as the b/w will tell you if you O'd. But if you want to temp just to confirm that you did O (chances are you will on Clomid), then go for it!

Bellefior, hugs and luck. I hope I'll still see you over in SAI.

pocahontas, good luck at your appt!

ABirney, thanks!

[MrsR]

Lauren -- yay for getting an Rx for Clomid -- glad there will be a newbie to it at the same time as me. I am on the generic and it cost $33 at Kroger but I think next month (if needed) I will get it at Costco. Question, did your doctor tell you whether it was better to take it at night or in the morning or to take it with food?

gymwidow -- thanks for the input -- I guess if I get a high reading on my monitor earlier than CD 14, it can't hurt to BD. Not sure why we would have to wait 5 days anyway . . .:rolleyes:

bellefior -- hugs and good luck to you!!!

Well ladies, AF showed up full force yesterday so I am saying I am CD 4 and will start my clomid tomorrow. Fingers crossed that this does the trick . . .

[gymwidow]

MrsR, she probably just meant that by 5 days after you need to start BDing just in case. My GYN initially told me to start BDing around CD8 or 9 and BD every other day till I O'd. (I took it CD3-7.)

[teacher_jessica]

Ladies, I am so behind that I'm not even going to attemps any S/O's! :p I did try to catch up on reading the posts though! Hopefully I'll be able to keep up better the rest of the week (it's been a super busy one so far). I'm still waiting to O and have started to use my OPK's since I am thinking I will O by Tuesday/Wednesday of next week. ;) When I checked my CM today I noticed that my actual cervix was totally soft, high and partially open. :confused: Is that totally weird or totally normal? My temp jumped up today too but I had a few glasses of red wine last night and was up really late... so I was planning on throwing that temp out. The whole cervix position/feel has me a little thrown off though. :rolleyes:

[polkadot]

Question, did your doctor tell you whether it was better to take it at night or in the morning or to take it with food?

My doctor told me it didnt matter...he would rather in the morning...but i wan to avoid some s/e (i already get pretty bad migraines ) and i will probably take it at night before bed with a little snack...

HTH, I am also glad i will have new friends in Clomidland

[pocahontas]

Well, LAUREN, I won't be joining ya 'cuz my RE didn't even entertain the idea of CLOMID. I think she has determined from my b/w and charts that I am O'ing just fine and my hormone levels are to her satisfaction. Actually, she'd sent both me and DH a letter after his SA and my initial b/w and u/s and thought the DX might have been PCO which had me petrified. But it turned out not to be the case. DH had slightly low motility but it was 43% and with the norm being 50%-100% she wants him to retest since maybe it was just a bad day. (Ditto with a mildly abnormal morphology which was 9%...norm being 15%-100%.) But his count and volume were fine (she is sending him to a urologist just in case and he'll do a follow-up test there in a week and a half). Therefore, she is scheduling me for a laparoscopy (sp?) next to take a look around inside. Not sure that anyone here has ever had one, but I thought I saw a thread somewhere about lap procedures. I think I will ask the SAI girls since I was sure one of them had actually started it.

Hey LAUREN, BTW...what is Estrace? :confused:

[Sneak]

Hi. I'm a newbie to charting so thought I'd join the thread for advice, knowledge and support. Details below

CC Name: sneak
Me: Kristen/25
DH: Jay/33
Married since: 04.04.04
Off BCP since: Jan. 2004
Children: DD Jenalyn March 12, 2005 (2 months trying)
TTC since: Jan. 06
Charting since: May 2006

I've never done this before but after 5 cycles of missing when we thought we had the time exactly right, its time to look more into things by charting. We were sure that I was pregnant this time around and even made doc appointment for tomorrow since nothing was coming up on any HPT's, but low and behold AF arrived an hour ago. Quite sad but figure its only a matter of time. We conceived DD after only 2 months of trying so figured that this would be quick too...but apparently not.

So now i'm off to do some research. But one quick question...can I use just a regular digital thermometer or does it have to be a BBT?

[polkadot]

sorry no time for long replies....having HORRIBLE migraine right now...

estrace is estrogen...improves lining of uterus and help the clomid to not dry up you CM...

[ABirney]

Welcome sneak! I recommend using a BBT because the temp variation is slight so you need a really accurate thermometer.
pocahontas good luck with the lap!
teacherjessica cervix sounds ripe.. how's the CM? Get BD'ing!

[Byrd's Boogie]

Hi everyone, another newbie here. I've been following along for a little while, just haven't posted. We decided that we really didn't want a holiday baby and we werent supposed to start offically ttc until next month...but we had an oops! moment this month so we shall see.:)

me~boogie/32
dh~byrd/33
married~05.05.05
children~stepson and furbaby
off bc since June 05
known issues~miscarriage 08/05, fibroids removed via myomectomy 02.24.06

[Sebski]

FF gave me crosshairs this morning so can I please be moved to

Think I O'ed- Testing 5/29-6/4

I woke up 30 min early this morning because it was really chilly... I temped and got a reeeeally low temp. I got under the comforter and waited a few minutes and temped again and got a more normal reading. I used the normal read since I figured the chilly air and earlier time might have affected my temp. Is that ok?

Welcome to the new members! Happy charting to you! :)

[kanga1622]

Welcome Byrd's Boogie and Sneak. Hope your stay here is a short one.

FF is totally smoking something this morning. I had to go in and change my detector because it was trying to give me crosshairs. There is not enough information on my chart to even remotely call an O yet. FF is so stuck on pre-O dips that it freaks itself out looking for things that don't exist.

[Charting is Knowledge]

Updated to here

Welcome sneak & bryd's boogie

[jenjen0713]

Welcome to the new members! Hope your stay is short and sweet.

sneak - I agree, a BBT is the only way to go if you are charting.

[Chris~n~Jen]

Welcome Sneak & Byrd's Boogie!

Definalty the BBT Sneak.

Kanga, that's odd about FF. It takes forever for me to even get crosshairs. Even the FF advisor wasnt' sure why it wasn't giving me crosshairs at one point, eventually it did though. I've never been given crosshairs early. Weird! :rolleyes:

~~~~~~~
CD15, my temp has been rising the last two mornings. However I have yet to get a + OPK and I had quite a bit of CM yesterday so I'm thinking I either O'd yesterday or today. Haven't seen any CM yet today (but I haven't eaten my grapefruit yet either ;) ). So we'll see what the next couple of temps are.

A general Good Luck to everyone!

[ABirney]

Welcome Byrd's Boogie!

[ChicagoKate]

Kanga ~ I agree with you. FF is smoking crack if she thinks that you have O'd yet. I see no sign of that based on your chart.

Sebeski ~ I always take the first temp even if it is wonky. You can always discard it later if needed. I just note "woke up cold" in the notes section so I remember that the temp will be off. I had to discard two temps this cycle b/c I woke up so hot.

TeacherJessica ~ soft high open cervix is GOOD! Get BDing! An open cervix is a receptive cervix!
~~~
CD13 for me. Not much going on. I don't expect to O for at least a week but we're keeping up the BDing just in case. DH called me his "wild woman" this morning. He's a lucky man, I tell ya!

[kanga1622]

Thanks for the backup on the FF issue. They don't like to call O for me most of the time because I don't have "secondary signs" on my chart so they always give me the dotted lines. It really surprised me this morning when I put in my temp and got crosshairs. It is usually EXTREMELY obvious when I O because of my temp shift. I'm hoping that temps are going up this weekend and maybe I'll get real crosshairs when I input my data on Monday.

Hope everyone has a great weekend. We are off to the rummage sales again. :) Maybe we can ditch MIL and pick up a few baby things if the price is right.

[ABirney]

OK... I'm most likely worried about nothing but I'll run this past you guys and see what you think. It's really too early to tell, but I have a feeling I may have O'd. (Just based on CM/CP signs, I did have a small temp rise today also but too soon to tell for sure.) I had 4" EWCM yesterday and my CP was high, soft, and open. Now today it's really low, firm, and closed, and I have just a teeny tiny bit of tacky CM. Based on way back when, when I was actually O'ing, that was my most reliable sign. I was also having some crampy feelings in my uterus area a couple days ago... in fact I thought AF might show. (That went away after a couple hours with no sign of spotting whatsoever.) The Dr wanted us to wait on TTC for a few months while I work on my wt, and while we haven't been trying, we haven't been avoiding either... I know it's too early to call O, but here is my worry... IF I did O, and IF it got fertilized (we did bd yesterday am and a couple days ago)... what are the chances of it sticking in 73-day-old uterine lining??? Am I just asking for a m/c???? Sorry for the rambling post, it's just concerning me a little.

[jenjen0713]

ABirney - I did a quck search in FF in the chart gallery of pregnancy chart with long cycles and I came across some that were 50 days long and one that was 63 days. There was quite a few of them, so I think it is entirely possible for it to stick. Keeping my fingers crossed for you! :)

ETA: I just saw one on there were the BFP didn't occur until Day 98.

[jessied1025]

Alright some general SO's

Bellefior Good luck and keep in touch with us!

polkadot Good luck with the Clomid

Sorry if AF showed.

Good luck to those who O'd or Oing. Hope you caught the eggie.

Welcome sneak & byrds boogie! Hope your stay is short & sweet!

3DPO FF is indicating here. It doesn't totally line up with my CM, but I didn't have any OPK's at home, so I didn't get to test. I am hoping I O'd a bit earlier, since DH was gone from Monday until yesterday. Threadmisstress: Could you please move me to "Think I O'd. Testing week of May 29th". Thanks!

Hope everyone has a good weekend!!

[fsb2005]

No time for SOs, sorry, because we're leaving for Sicily tomorrow!!

I'll be back in two weeks, and hopefully we'll have made ourselves a little Italian baby. :-) I should be Oing sometime the last week of the trip.

I'm crazy, but I am going to bring my thermometer and temp during the trip. Temps may be a little wacky, but as I get close to O time they should have adjusted.

Anyway, good luck to anyone testing while I'm gone!!

[ABirney]

Hi ladies!
jenjen thanks for looking up those charts for me! I'm feeling better now, just had a moment of panic.. lol
jessied yay for O'ing!
fsb I'm sure you're already gone, but if not have a great trip!! Can I stow away in your luggage??

Well I think I did actually O... had a lovely temp jump this morning. FF gave me dotted crosshairs, although I think they have them on the wrong day. Maybe after tomorrow's info it will change.
Time to get cleaning... parents are coming down today to bring me perennials for my flower beds and help me plant...
Have a great day everyone!

[lilhimley]

Bellefior - best wishes to you. If you feel like it, update us when you get some news.

MrsR - go go gadget Clomid!

Pocahontas - it's great to know that you are Oing. Good luck with the further testing.

Welcome Sneak and Byrd!

Polkadot, hope you're feeling better.

Sebski, Jessied1025, and ABirney- good luck in the 2ww.