TTC w/Charting Vol. 19 - Hoping to start our summer off right = with lots of BFPs!

[pride&prejudice]

Can you move me to the waiting to O. AF showed today.

[ABirney]

pride&prejudice sorry the witch showed.

Well after today's temp, both Ovusoft and FF gave me an O date of Thurs, which I agree with. (CD72!) And even though I was supposed to be temporarily TTA for a couple months, our timing was actually pretty good for TTC... (At that point in my cycle I was sure it would be annov, so I didn't put any stock at that time in the fact I had EWCM... )
So, threadmistress, please move me to "Think I O'd, testing June 1! (I have been waiting since last August to say that!)

[Chris~n~Jen]

Yay for Oing ABriney!

Sorry about AF pride&prejudice!

[Charting is Knowledge]

Updated to here.

[gymwidow]

Yesterday went well. We got there and DH went in for his thing and they called my name right away. Turns out the doc had ordered another round of b/w and u/s for me. I did the b/w and was waiting for the u/s and then asked if we could just do that when we do the IUI and was on my out the door to get breakfast when they called me again. So I got all the way to undressed, sitting on the table with a paper sheet over me, when the nurse came in again and apologized and said I could go ahead and go and do the u/s later on. Hmph. I saw the doc on my way out then and he explained that this was unusual, that he doesn't normally do b/w and u/s on IUI day, but because of my high estrogen levels and copious number of eggs, he wanted to just check one more time to make sure all was okay. I said it wasn't a problem. So off we went to get food, and then back an hour later for the IUI. We talked again about my discomfort level and why I used the Lupron instead of the HCG and what I should be on the lookout for (any significant pain or discomfort in the next few days) and that I should go ahead and start the progesterone today. And then we checked my ovaries again - 4 on the right, about 5-6 on the left, and I got, erm, basted (as a friend so eloquently puts it), and that was that. I felt a little more discomfort than I have before (mild to medium cramps, but still not as bad as CD1 or 2 ones), so went to bed for a bit when we got home and just took it easy after that yesterday. Today I feel back to normal.

The doc was very sweet yesterday - said "we're going to get you pregnant already!" He said in a woman my age with my good health, he would have hoped I'd be pregnant already, but that sometimes it just doesn't happen right away. He said that infertility is still somewhat of an "inefficient" science. He said that he hopes this is it, as he knows that this hasn't been an easy cycle for me what with all the continuous testing, etc. He said if this isn't it, then we know next month to put me on a lower dosage to begin with.

So that's that. I feel very optimistic and hopeful this month and am keeping only those thoughts in my head. I go in on June 2 for a pregnancy test, so 12 more days to wait!

[Chris~n~Jen]

gymwidow ~ Thinking positive thoughts for you!

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Today, I'm confused about my TTC chart. Friday night I purposely didn't drink so that my Saturday temp wouldn't be off. Well I wake up when the alarm goes off, take my temp and then fall asleep. When I woke up I checked the thermometer to see what my temp was. It was 96.78! :eek: That was a huge drop in temp. I was expecting it to be more like 97.78. In fact when I put in my temp as 97.78 (just to see what it would do), I got crosshairs and FF showed me as being 3DPO. Of course I couldn't leave a fake temp in so I discarded it and thought I'd just wait until today to get a higher temp and my crosshairs. Well this mornings temp is 97.47. I needed my temp to be at 97.8 in order to even get my crosshairs. My CM has dried up so I'm pretty sure that I did O. The last couple of cycles I haven't even gotten a + on an OPK! I'm assuming its just because I'm missing my surge also I've been using IC tests. I have yet to get a + from the IC's that I have. The only cycle I got a + was on some Answer brand OPK's that I bought at Target. So maybe the IC's don't work for me. Now I'm worried that maybe I'm not really Oing or something.

[Sebski]

Does anyone else have low temps? Mine are in the 96's pre-O and then 97's post-O... these seem low to me. Maybe I need a new thermometer? I just replaced the battery a couple of months ago though. :confused: My thyroid is underactive and I started meds just this week for it. Do you think that could affect my temps, making them lower?

[phillytiger]

Hi ladies - I've been reading along but it's been a long, busy week so I haven't done much posting. I was sure I'd O'd on Thurs or Fri, but my Sat temp is whacked b/c I fell asleep before I rolled over to take my temp Sat AM, so it's a later temp...and today my temp is down!!! So I guess maybe this is a pre-O dip? But I dont' seem to have anymore EWCM. ARGH! Hate when my cycle messes with me!!!

Sorry no s/o's - I'm working today & have a TON to get done.

ETA: I discarded the Sat temp b/c it was so far off. Now my temps look like i'm getting ready to O, while my CM looks like I already have...guess a big mug of green tea is in order :-)

Assuming this isn't our month, since I can't tell what the heck my body is doing, I think I'm going to start using OPK's next month...

[mrs_pell]

ABirney ~ Yeah for the O!! Fingers crossed that this is your month! :)

pride&prejudice ~ Sorry that AF showed. :(

gymwidow ~ Glad to hear your doc was so nice! Keeping my fingers crossed for you!!!

Sebski ~ My temps are usually high 96s to low 97s pre-O, and then high 97s to low 98 post-O.

phillytiger ~ Sorry your temps are messing w/you! I've had a whacky month too, but mostly because I've been horrible about not really waking up before temping. I'll stick it in, then fall back asleep, and never know if I got an accurate reading so I'll take it again. They're usually different and I never know which one to use. :rolleyes:

Bellefior ~ Good luck to you guys!! I really hope you get your BFP soon! :)

Since I've been away for a few days (and things move so quickly around here)...a few more general comments for those I missed!!

Sorry to all those who AF found, and best of luck to those who are BDing and who have O'd!

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As for me, I'm pretty sure I O'd on CD 14, but since I wasn't so good at temping pre-O, I'm not 100% positive. There's one pre-O temp that's abnormally high (especially compared to other charts). If I leave that one in, I get dotted crosshairs on day 17. If I disregard it, I get a solid crosshairs on CD14, so that's what I've done for now. Hopefully it really was CD14 since our timing would be MUCH better for that than it would for CD17. So, anyway, threadmistress, can you please move me to "think I O'd, testing 5/22 to 5/28?. The 27th will be 17 DPO, and I usually have a 16 day LP, so I'll probably at least wait till the 27th. We're having a party at our house on the 29th, though, so if she hasn't showed by then, I'll definitely test so I know if I can have a few drinks or not.

[Baby Lust]

Sebski, My temps were similar to yours before I started Clomid. It may be possible that your progesterone is low. Of course, I may be completely wrong, but once I started Clomid, my temps went to a "normal" range, and Clomid ups your progesterone. Anyway, might be something to mention to your dr. You could always take supps post-O.

[lilhimley]

pride&prejudice - sorry about AF

ABirney - congrats on the O! Wow, you really waited a long time for it. Hopefully, it ends with a BFP!

gymwidow - Sounds exciting! Keep us posted on how you feel and any symptoms during the 2ww.

Chris~n~Jen - Hmm, I don't know. The signs sound like you didn't O. Or is it possible that when you temped, the BBT got displaced when you fell back asleep? That happens to me once in a while and it's kind of hanging out of my mouth.

Sebski - mine go from 96.8 to 98.2.

Mrs Pell - I'm looking forward to you testing. BFP thoughts for you.

[pride&prejudice]

Thanks everyone. And sorry for everyone that AF showed.

Good thought for you gymwidow.

Finger crossed for you mrs pell.

[Jess71903]

UH! Back to CD 1 for me, and while I am on a mini-vacation! i guess I will re-join, since I can't stand not knowing when I can quit being crazy about BDing.

Threadmistress, please move me out of "taking a break" and to "waiting to O"

Welcome to cycle 11 TTC!

[mrs_pell]

Jess71903 ~ So sorry that AF showed. :( Welcome back, but sorry that you have to be back (if that makes sense!).

[polkadot]

Just checking in....

Sorry for all of you to whom AF showed...she sucks....

Good luck to everyone trying to catch the egg and

those in the two week wait....fingers crossed...

as for me...i am on day 2 of clomid and terrified that i will miss my O...i am hoping that the OPK's will pick up the surge and then the meds wont dry up my cm....

off to watch tv :D

[pocahontas]

Does anyone else have low temps? Mine are in the 96's pre-O and then 97's post-O... these seem low to me. Maybe I need a new thermometer? I just replaced the battery a couple of months ago though. :confused: My thyroid is underactive and I started meds just this week for it. Do you think that could affect my temps, making them lower?
SEBSKI...although I don't have low temps, I think you are right in your assumption because I remember TCOYOF saying that thyroid issues can affect temps and underactive makes them low while overactive makes them higher than normal. So if you are on meds now you may see a difference next cycle.

[Chris~n~Jen]

Chris~n~Jen - Hmm, I don't know. The signs sound like you didn't O. Or is it possible that when you temped, the BBT got displaced when you fell back asleep? That happens to me once in a while and it's kind of hanging out of my mouth.


I was hoping that the BBT maybe fell out of my mouth a bit, but it doesn't look like it. My temp was low again today and I was fully awake to make sure there was no slippage!

Sorry about AF Jess :(

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My average O date is CD14-16. Today is CD18 and still no O. My temp keeps getting lower instead of higher. :mad: DH and I are going away over memerial day (AF or test dates) and I just wanted to relax and not think about TTC and hopefully come back to a BFP. But if I haven't even O'd yet then it looks like that may be out. Unless I am having a non-O cycle.

How common is it to have a non-O cycle for someone with no known medical problems?

[cowgirl]

Wow I can not believe we have not had any BFP yet. Sorry I have been MIA from here just have not felt like posting.

Good Luck to all in the 2 ww and :( to those who got AF.

[kanga1622]

Chris~n~Jen -it is very common to have an annovulatory cycle. I think Toni even talks about it in TCOYF.

Sorry for those of you that had AF show up.

Good luck to everyone in the 2WW. I may be joining you in another day or two when I've confirmed my O that happened sometime over the weekend.

[phillytiger]

Hey ladies! I'm pretty sure I O'd yesterday...not sure how our timing will be b/c I was sure I'd O'd on Friday, so we didn't BD Fri or Sat...but we did BD last night. Guess we'll just wait & see.

Threadmistress, please move me to "I think I O'd - testing June 4". We're going to be out of town at DH's college reunion that weekend, so I"ll have to decide how to deal with that!

My dr today told me that if we don't get pg this cycle, she wants me to stop charting for a few months. With all the crap going on with my mom (she was in & out of the hospital again this weekend), she thinks it's stressing me out even more - being one more thing I'm trying so hard to control when I really have no control over it. I'm going to start lurking on SWH thread...guess we'll see in a couple weeks...

Sorry to all those AF found

Fingers crossed for everyone trying to catch the eggie or in the 2ww!

[Charting is Knowledge]

Updated to Here

[teacher_jessica]

How is it that I keep falling so far behind? :rolleyes: I'm, once again, not even going to attempt the s/o's but am making a point to follow along all this week so that I can actually get to them! :D

CD 15 for me today and I have had eggwhite cm since Saturday (CD13). I've been using the Safeway brand OPK's since CD 10. I didn't notice a line at all until CD12 and it seems to have gotten progressively darker each time I test. I just tested this AM and the line was darker than yesterdays. :D Last month I O'd on CD 15 or 16 (depending on whether I refer to FF or Ovusoft). So, given the OPK results do you ladies think I'm going to O sometime between today and CD17? I think we're doing a pretty good job of BDing but we did miss out on Saturday so who knows! :rolleyes: I have only been able to update my FF Chart since I haven't gotten on my computer at home to update the Ovusoft one yet. I'll do that tonight.

Yesterday I went to a baptism down in Portland for our God Daughter (who is just darling). It was so much fun and there were a ton of young babies between ages 4-9 months. One of the babies (our God Daughter's cousin) was born in mid-September of 2005 and she is SO LONG! When the cousins were laid next to each other the September baby was more than twice the length of our God Daughter even though she is less than two months older than her. Seriously, she looks to be the length of a child that is nearly 3 years old! I have never in my life seen such a long child at that age and neither of her parents are particularly tall. They said that she was incredibly long from the get go and her mom said that when she gave birth she felt like the baby just kept coming and coming before she was all the way out. :p She was the most darling thing and I can't help but wonder how tall she will grow to be! ;)

[mrs_pell]

teacher_jessica ~ It's so darned easy to fall behind in this thread!! Too funny about the long baby! It would be funny if she ended up being 4'11" or something! ;)

Quick question...could you guys look at my chart and see if there's any way that it looks like I could have O'd on CD17, even if I keep the discarded temp in? When I leave that temp in, it gives me an O date of CD17. I just don't see it! I'm wanting to believe that the real day is CD14, but I don't want to "just believe" it because the timing would have been better! :p

[polkadot]

pell~ i would say 14...i cant believe a temp that early would make your O day later...but i say 14 and stick with that....good luck...

[mrs_pell]

polkadot ~ Thanks. That's what I was thinking too. I couldn't believe that it would change it either. Plus, I just don't see those later temps as being enough of a jump from the previous two. Hmmm...oh well. I guess I'll just go with 14 then. Much better if that's the case, anyway! ;)

[Jess71903]

Does anyone else have low temps? Mine are in the 96's pre-O and then 97's post-O... these seem low to me. Maybe I need a new thermometer? I just replaced the battery a couple of months ago though. :confused: My thyroid is underactive and I started meds just this week for it. Do you think that could affect my temps, making them lower?

Definitely- I know not everyone believes this stuff, but my herbalist (who is also a Dr.) said that this is my problem. He told me that if my temps were always that low to check out www.wilsonssyndrome.com. Hope that helps!

ETA: I forgot that you are being treated for thyroid issues...if you are newly diagnosed, give it a month or 2 and see if they come up some.

[honeygirl]

Hello ladies, greetings from Australia. I'm 1/2 way through our vacation and I think I'm 12DPO. I must admit the time change (a day and a half ahead) has confused me a lot! Right now it is tuesday afternoon, but it is something like monday evening back home. I haven't been temping b/c I figured it wouldn't be reliable anyway. I've got lots of symptoms, but with all of the traveling and time-changes I can't tell what the source is. I only brought one POAS, and I haven't used it yet. I've been spotting so I don't have very high hopes. We'll see. I hope to find some BFP's in this thread when I get back to the US!

Sebski - I have temps in the 96-97 range now as well. They used to be a little higher, but after changing thermometers and getting up 1.5 hrs earlier I've found that it's dropped a bit.

[Chris~n~Jen]

Yay, I finally got crosshairs. I was beginning to think this was a non-Oing cycle. I really hope it is accurate because our BD timing was good then. Would someone please look at my chart and tell me if you agree with FF that I O'd on CD13, pretty please. :D

[kanga1622]

Well, I guess I am joining the 2WW crowd. My temp may be a little artificially high today as I feel awful (all the BD made me catch DH's cold/sore throat).

So, I think I Oed testing sometime around June 2nd. I may have Oed earlier with a slow rise but I'm going to go with the farthest date to make sure I'm not wasting tests.

Chris~n~Jen - I've got to say that I don't think you Oed on CD13. I'd believe CD18 if you had more temps. By looking at your chart overlay, it appears that you don't normally drop back below coverline after O so CD13 seems a little off to me.

[Chris~n~Jen]

Chris~n~Jen - I've got to say that I don't think you Oed on CD13. I'd believe CD18 if you had more temps. By looking at your chart overlay, it appears that you don't normally drop back below coverline after O so CD13 seems a little off to me.

Unfortunely, I agree with you on this. I wonder if FF will change my O date after a couple more temps. Urgh! DH wanted to BD last night but I was really wiped out and not feeling so well. Now I'm going to kick myself if it turns out that I did O yesterday. Urgh! :mad:

[jenjen0713]

Chris~n~Jen - I agree that I am not convinced you O'd on CD13. The CM lines up with it, but your temp and the OPK don't. Maybe once you get more temps recorded in the next few days, FF might change its mind.

MrsPell - I agree that it looks like CD14 is when you O'd. That is a pretty chart you have! :)

On CD6 here, should be Oing sometime next week. Am trying to decide if I want to get more obsessive and get some OPKs for this cycle?? I mean I'm already obsessive in that I check FF a couple times a days, do I really need OPKs to make me even more certifiable? :p

[pocahontas]

WOW...I am so late! THREADMISTRESS...I just realized it's CD 6 already and I forgot to say I need to be moved to "Waiting to O". I haven't been keeping up lately. :(

[tealynn]

Hey Ladies!

Sorry I've been MIA for the past week. I was really disappointed last Tuesday(my birthday) when I started spotting. I could tell AF was on her way not mention getting older is a little depressing so I bailed on temping, charting, posting, all of it.

Spotting stopped several days after. This has happened with many cycles I've had then AF comes full force several days later.

It's been almost a week since the spotting stopped and FF (who interestingly enough took my cross hairs away and my O date) had me originally testing tomorrow. Since we were having a big lobster dinner tonight with friends and drinks I decided to test a day early.

I have no symptoms really. I was mildly nauseous yesterday. Not only that I drank this weekend (birthday celebration) anticipating AF in full force. So after testing today, I get a BFP:eek:!

http://images1.snapfish.com/346%3B64559%7Ffp346%3Enu%3D3248%3E43%3B%3E45%3B%3E WSNRCG%3D323376%3A%3A87435nu0mrj

OMG, I am freaking out!!!! I was completely ready to move on the the next charting cycle. I'm surprised, scared, happy and feeling like it might be premature, based on so many stories. Nobody knows but you all!

I haven't decided how to tell my husband tonight when I get home from work. I've got butterflies in my stomach!

Like I said, I'm also worried about the drinking this weekend but I remember someone saying that you're probably okay up to 18 DPO?

Okay, take a deep breath, get through the day!

[Felicity]

Congratulations tealynn!!!! That is wonderful & exciting news!!!!

Also - I have heard there is a window you can accidently be drinking and it won't affect the baby. One of my close friends got really drunk on a Tuesday and had BFP on a Friday! Oops! She & her baby are doing just fine.

Nothing much new from me - still waiting to O. My DH travels a lot so I'm hoping my body's timing isn't too out of sync with his travel schedule!

[MrsR]

congrats tealynn -- H&H 9 months!!!

Well not much new going on here, today is my last day of clomid, however I have been spotting this whole time -- I usually spot at most 1 day at the end of AF so I am not sure what is up there . . . monitor reads low so until it goes to high, we are going to hold off on the BDing . . .

[teacher_jessica]

OMG!!! :D Congratulations tealynn!!!

That is just so exciting! And, please don't worry about the drinks. I always think about all of the child development classes I took in college and one consistent thing we were always told was that one thing that gives a developing embryo a better chance of survival is that it doesn't share in the things a mommy ingests for the first several weeks (I think it was about 6 we were always told). So, you are just dandy I'm sure! ;)

[Chris~n~Jen]

Yay! Our first BFP in the new thread! Congrats tealynn.Crazy that FF actually took your crosshairs away but here you are, all knocked up! :D

I wouldn't worry to much about drinking this weekend. I've also heard that the baby doesn't partake in your activities for the first several weeks.

[Janey]

Congratulations Tealynn! I'm sooo excited for you! :D

Nothing new here. Back from Florida on Monday. I decided to leave the BBT at home (I'm too far pre-o for it to make a difference anyway), so I'm back to taking my temp as of this morning. I will be buying OPKs at Costco this week, and we'll see what happens.

I called the Ultrasound people today, and they won't do my vaginal ultrasound until next month now, because I was out of town while I was on my period. Apparently they want to do it the day that it ends, and of course I was out ouf town. So I get to wait another month for that. :rolleyes:

[Charting is Knowledge]

Updated to here.

Ladies, please remember to post all updates in red. Thanks!


Congratulations Tealynn! A happy and healthy 9 months to you!

[LDS Angel 19]

woooooo, it's about time we had a BFP!! Congrats, tealynn!!!!!


I've been horribly MIA, just really annoyed by all things TTC recently. I'm in the midst of another LONG cycle, but it actually is starting to look like I *may* have finally O'd. We shall see....

[tealynn]

Thanks for all the well wishes!!! I'm still reeling a little from the BFP. I think I'm just going to lay low with the info for a few weeks and see how things go. It just doesn't feel real yet. I'm sure it will soon enough.

[jenjen0713]

tealynn - Huge congrats to you and happy and healthy 9 months!!

[kanga1622]

CongratsTealynn! Don't worry about the drinking; I echo what everyone else is saying about the baby not really getting what you are drinking/eating quite yet. I remember that we covered that in my Child Growth class this spring.

[polkadot]

CongratsTealynn...now we have one BFP....we need to keep the ball rolling....;)

[pocahontas]

CongratsTealynn...now we have one BFP....we need to keep the ball rolling....;) I toally agree, POLKA! No stoppin' now because it shouldn't take another 30 pages before we get another BFP! So who's next!? ;)

CONGRATS TEALYNN...that is so funny that I was just looking at your chart today ('cuz we were the only 2 remaining in the first testing dates) and thinking, is that what an anovulatory cycle looks like? :confused: I don't see any crosshairs! And lo and behold, you're PREGGO! :D Wonderful news!

[ABirney]

Congrats tealynn!!! H&H 9 months!

[charliezangel]

TEALYNN Congrats girl. H&H 9 months to you.

Just checkin in ladies. We're still on our break, but I've been feeling a little...weird lately. Granted I did get AF on time, i have just been feeling a little icky, having headaches, and some food aversions. Probably just stress getting ready for this move!!! I'm not really charting at all anymore. For the first couple months I was CTA, but now i'm just counting the days in my head and pretty much guessing when we need to use condoms...lol...I know, not the best plan. I'll let you all know if this "weirdness" is something to get excited about. Glad to see everyone is doing well.

[phillytiger]

Good morning ladies! I need a little chart interpretation...I was dead sure I had O'd last Friday, but Sat I fell back to sleep without taking my temp, so took it at 10am. Then I had a low temp on Sunday & my temps have been up ever since. When I put in the Saturday temp it gives me an O date of Friday, which matches my CM, but if I discard it, it gives me a Sunday O date. And both Ovusoft & FF are in agreement on both - go figure!!! It doesn't really matter - either way I'll be testing the first weekend of June...but I'd love to hear your thoughts.......................

[jenjen0713]

phillytiger - I'm leaning towards the Sunday date since you had that low temp.

[phillytiger]

I know...it's so wierd. This is the interpretation from Ovusoft:

You are in the post-ovulatory infertile phase of your cycle. A fallback thermal shift has occurred. It has been accompanied by a complete cervical fluid dry-up. TCOYF estimates that ovulation occurred on Friday, May 19, 2006. This was estimated using temperature and cervical fluid dry-up signs.

Fall-back Thermal Shift: The first temperature is above the coverline, the second dips back to or below the coverline, followed by at least two temperatures above the coverline. Since the first temperature might also be eliminated using the Rule of Thumb (which would then make this shift mimic the Standard Thermal Shift) this thermal shift pattern must be corroborated by cervical fluid dry-up patterns.

News to me...at least I know I O'd...and I'll know more in 9-11 days :)

ETA: And since I'm not supposed to be stressing...I'm playing it :cool:

[tealynn]

Phillytiger I agree with JenJen. Temping late could have caused your temp to be high and with the really low temp next, I'd put your O date at Sunday/Monday. Either way, looks like you've got some pretty good BD timing at either end! It'll be a long 9 to 11 days, I'm sure.;)

[cowgirl]

Congrats Tealyn!! Happy and Healthy 9 months.

Maybe we should go back to 3 bfps to claose a thread if it is a bigger thread and use 5 if we get alot in a short period of time.

[ChicagoKate]

Congrats tealyn! Very exciting!! Hopefully your dust will rub off on all of us!

Not much new to report. I may have O'd today as the temps up a bit. Although it could be due to this cold I've had for the last week. Blah. I hope it clears up in time for this weekend as the weather's supposed to be WARM!

[teacher_jessica]

I'd like some chart interpretation too if no one minds! :D I'm on CD17 and last month I O'd on CD16. Both Ovusoft and FF predicted yesterday to be my O date but when I entered my info onto FF and Ovusoft this morning FF told me I was 3dpo. Color me confused! What do you ladies think? I know I'll know more after several more days of temping but I'm terrible at waiting! :)

Also, this is only my 2nd cycle of charting so neither software program has much of a cycle history to go on.

[Janey]

Jessica - I would be very hesitant to call O for you yet. Your temperatures have not risen above the coverline, and you still have EWCM. I think Ovusoft thinks you ovulated because of the change in your cervix position? I'm voting No O. In any case - Keep on BDn'! Are you planning to use OPK's again this cycle?

[jessied1025]

Hurray for finally have a BFP!!!Congrats Tealyn!!! H&H 9 months to you!!

Sorry I have been MIA...been extremely busy at work. Plus I have a good feeling that this isn't our month (again) so I am just in a dull mood.

[Sneak]

Congrats Tealyn!! I wish you a Happy and Healthy 9 months.

As a newbie, this charting stuff is so over my head. I'm being consistent and temping every morning and recording the temps, but when it will come to reading the chart and interpreting I'll have no clue what to do and look for. I have read what I can but still seem confused as to what I'm looking for/at. Not sure either how to post a link to my FF chart...maybe someone can PM me instead of wasting space in the thread for this stuff? TIA

[teacher_jessica]

MrsHill, I used OPK's on CD10-16. I got positives from CD19-22 but the darkest one was on CD's 20 & 21. I really think I O'd sometime between CD15-17 but I guess I probably won't know for several more days huh? :confused:

[Janey]

Sneak - it's not wasting space! If you're asking the question, 10 other people want to ask but don't. :) I'm not familiar with FF, so someone who uses it will have to help you out with that part.

However.. for charting... You may want to read the first few posts in the Charting To Avoid (http://www.constantchatter.com/showthread.php?t=17140) thread. They are using charting to avoid pregnancy rather than attain it... but the information is valuable to us TTC'ers anyway. I think they have the most informationon charting of any of the family planning threads.

Also... I cannot reccommend reading Taking Charge of Your Fertility (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060937645/sr=8-1/qid=1148490382/ref=sr_1_1/002-7475066-4611242?%5Fencoding=UTF8) enough. If you don't want to spend the $15 on it (it's a good investment, I promise!) then check it out at the library. The book will answer so many questions that you didn't even know you had. It's an easy, well-written, and extrorardinarily informative book. I read the whole thing in 6 hours, so it won't take long.

Good luck, and let us know if you have further questions!

[Smittenk]

Just popping in to say Congratulations tealynn!!!

Nothing new with me...I am still Waiting to O

[Sneak]

MrsHill: Thanks for the response. Its just so overwhelming to start. I think I'll check out that other thread for information and perhaps look for the book at our local library or at the bookstore. I hear lots of people online raving about it but haven't gotten around to purchasing it yet. I guess I'm still in the mindset that we got pg so easy the first time around and hoping it would be the case again but appears it is not. I know I shouldn't complain or anything since it has only been 5ish months trying - but when you want a baby you want a baby! :)

I'm glad there is a thread like this - for information and support. I can see this is a very supportive group and am glad to be a part of it.

[Jess71903]

Congrats, tealynn! So exciting! Your story makes me want to test, even though I am pretty sure the little bit I have had is AF. She is gone today, though (CD3). She comes and goes as she pleases. No cramps or anything this time.

I agree with the 3BFPs for a long thread thing. This is getting so long! If we keep going at this pace, it will take 100+ pages to get 5!

[Janey]

You gals ought to switch your User CP to read 40 posts/page. :p We're still only on Page 8 for me!

Sneak I forgot to say earlier that This Page (http://www.fertilityuk.org/nfps25.html) also has some good information. It's from the UK so it's all in Celcius but it's good info nonetheless.

[teacher_jessica]

Ditto MrsHill! I have mine set to 40 posts to a page too and it makes scrolling through posts much easier!!! ;)

[Sneak]

MrsHill: I'm in Canada so the celcius information suits me just fine! :)

ETA question:

Ok - really dumb question. So charting will tell me when I ovulate - so until I chart a few months I won't really know when my prime bd days are right? Since when I notice the O spike its already too late?

[teacher_jessica]

I believe you'll be able to tell what's going on with your body within a month or two. You won't know as well as you will after several months from what I gather but you'll know enough to better plan BDing than you would if you were not charting. Are you just going to do the temperature thing or will you be charting cervix position and fluid too? For me that has been the most telling part of charting about when I may be ovulating. Also, you could make use of OPK's, especially in those first few months. ;) I'm still a newbie to all of this so I could be totally wrong! :p

[kanga1622]

Teacher Jessica - I'm not convinced yet that you Oed. You seem to have good fertile CM so if I were you I'd keep BD.

[teacher_jessica]

Yeah ladies, I have to say I'm totally perplexed by my CM this time around. I mean, there is no mistaking the EWCM that I have had for SEVERAL days now. Is that normal? It's just so strange. I'm not taking anything to try to create more EWCM so I'm not sure what is going on. Anyone else experience multiple days of EWCM? I've had it for a week now... there were two days in the middle (Saturday & Sunday I think it was) where it wasn't quite as "there." :p Argh. I'm totally confused by my body right now. :rolleyes: :confused: :rolleyes:

[Janey]

Sneak - You will know when your prime BD days are by the quality of Cervical Fluid (or Cervical Mucus) coming out of your body. That UK website I gave you has pretty good pictures of what different CM looks like. Also you could check out TCOYF from the library for full-color shots. ;) In any case, if you see Watery, or Eggwhite Cervical fluid -- get Baby Dancin'! The temperatures are only to confirm your ovulation... but with temps, you will only be able to confirm ovulation after you have ovulated, which won't do you any good for getting pregnant.


Jessica - it is normal for me to have 6-8 days of EWCM in a row before I Ovulate. Especially once I started checking my CM internally, I had a lot more days marked EWCM. More EWCM = More Fertile, so be thankful you have so many days of it. :)

I still haven't charted my cervix. I don't know why. I should start this month! Any tips on finding/charting the cervix?

[mrs_pell]

Congrats Tealyn!!!!!! It's funny b/c this weekend I was thinking that even though we didn't have a BFP yet, maybe there was a MBFP so I started looking through charts. I saw yours and wondered why there were no crosshairs because there was a definite shift in temps. So, I was definitely thinking about you! Soooo exciting! :D

I'm still waiting a few days before I test (mostly because I don't have one here and I'm not tempted to do it! ;) ). I had a little drop in temp this morning, but nothing major (I hope). I've been feeling a little nauseaus the last few days, but the thing that has me the most convinced that *MAYBE* this is it is I've been feeling a little dizzy throughout the day. I've had the nausea before but not the dizziness. So...we'll see! I'll test on Friday if she's not here yet. That will be CD17 and I've had 16 day LPs the last two months.

[JayJay]

....he is convinced that I did not O this cycle no matter what the monitor or the chart says....

Okay. Another question from me....

After going back and reading old posts, I got to thinking about what Lauren said.

If one doesn't Ovulate, and still gets high """"Post O"""" temps, what is causing the rise in temps?

I mean, could I seriously be getting a temp rise every month, and STILL not be ovulating? I'm confused. And nervous.

Insights, please.

Oh, BTW....Threadmistress.....Please move me From "taking a break" to "Waiting to O". I've been temping, but trying not to take is so damn seriously. Hopefully, I'll be able to contain myself, and not have to remove myself from the list again. :D :o

[Chris~n~Jen]

Sneak ~ I think MrsHill answered your question really well. Good luck to you, I know how confusing it all is in the beginning.

teacher_jessica ~ I agree, keep BDing.

MrsHill ~ Sorry no tips on finding/charting cervical position. I haven't even attempted that yet.

mrs_pell ~ Fingers crossed for you!

MrsJackson05 ~ Welcome back! Hopefully you can stay :cool:!


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CD21, 8DPO according to FF. After a couple more days of temps FF is still giving me an O day of CD13. I'm going to stick with that, I guess. This cycle my temps have been much lower than normal. Usually post O my temps are in the 98 range. Today was my highest temp so far and it was only 97.87, so that's weird. So, threadmistress can you please move me to Think I O'd, testing this weekend, I guess! :D

[kanga1622]

I threw out my last two temps because I've been sick and they've been unusually high. Of course, now FF took away my crosshairs because I don't have 3 consecutive high temps. Hopefully they will give them back to me again on Tuesday after I input my temps from the weekend.

Chris~n~Jen - I'm still thinking that CD18 is a more likely O date for you.

[Charting is Knowledge]

Updated to here.

[gymwidow]

Hi all. I've just been lurking lately, waiting through the boring part of the 2WW. 5DPO here, mild cramps now and then, but nothing else really. I'm really looking forward to the long weekend to hopefully take my mind off the fact that I won't know anything till next Friday!

Hugs to all, just because we can always use some extra ones... :)

[ChicagoKate]

Chris~n~Jen ~ I agree with Kanga that I don't think you O'd until CD18. It's hard to tell though because you did not have any CM data for those days. Did you ask a FF advisor what she thought?

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CD19 for me. Looks like I'm likely 2DPO as my temp's up this morning. Not sure as I have been sick this whole week. We'll see what tomorrow brings!

[Janey]

I have a FF question: A lot of times I see blank data under CM. Does that mean "Dry" or no CM? Or does that mean that the charter did not enter that data that day?

[jenjen0713]

MrsHill - If it is blank, the charter didn't enter any information about their CM that day.

[jenjen0713]

QOTD - When you get your BFP (which I'm hoping we all do in the next few months! :D ) how will you tell your DH that you are pregnant?

[Janey]

Thanks jenjen! I've been giving advice all this time thinking that Blank = Dry ... :rolleyes: oops. No wonder I've been so confused! I really should use the two programs together for a few months so I can answer questions better.


QOTD - When you get your BFP (which I'm hoping we all do in the next few months! ) how will you tell your DH that you are pregnant?

I'm not sure how I will tell him. He's usually gone by the time I am up in the morning, so I'd have the day to figure it out. If by some miracle we got pregnant this first cycle, we'd know basically on Father's Day that we got the +HPT... so he'd probably be there to hear me fall over onto the floor after I'd fainted. ;)

There are a lot of cute Father-related things in the stores now since Father's Day is right around the corner. I'm thinking about buying something now and just hanging onto it until we get the +HPT. I also want to buy my dad some "World's Greatest Grandpa" t-shirt or "I *heart* Grandpa" bib or something while they're in the stores and just hang onto it 'till I can give it to him.

[teacher_jessica]

Good morning ladies!

Well, I temped this morning and my temp was up a bit. FF has me at 4dpo and Ovusoft is still not quite convinced I've O'd so we shall see. I took out my OPK readings since I got several in a row and thought perhaps I'd just go on temps, CM, CP, etc. I guess only time will tell now huh? We did get a BD session in last night though so that's good.

QOTD:

I'm a bit of a freakish planner when it comes to things like this. For example, when one of my best friends finally decided to conceive after waiting 2 years for her husband to be ready I ordered her a onesie & hat that say "I Was Worth the Wait" and gave it to her the day she told me she was pregnant (after 2 short months of trying). :)

Now, for telling DH I have a few things set aside for him: a SkipHop brown corduroy diaper bag (man friendly), the book "My Boys Can Swim" and then a little UW Huskies Onesie (he's a super fan). So, I'm all set. The hard part is keeping it all hidden in my closet. :rolleyes:

[kanga1622]

QoTD - I've cross stitched 2 bibs for DH (one with the first letter of our last name and one with his favorite college team logo) and also purchased a baby rattle with his favorite college logo. I'm planning to pack them all in a box and see if I can convince anyone at the post office to postmark it so DH thinks that he just got a package in the mail. When he opens it he will know exactly what it means. I am contemplating adding a college logo onesie to the mix also if I can figure out a way to reduce the size of the logo to a more manageable size to fit on a onesie.

[Chris~n~Jen]

Kanga & ChicagoKate ~ Thanks for looking at my chart. I just requested a FF advisor to look and see what they think. AF is due this Sunday and I usually only have 24-26 day cycles. So given my average LP it makes sense that I would have O'd around CD13, but we will see. Either way, DH and I are going on a mini-vacation this weekend so that should keep me occupied and not stressing to much about TTC. I guess if she hasn't shown by Monday then I'll test but keep in mind that I may only be 6DPO instead of 11! Either way I'm keeping :cool: !

MrsHill ~ For me, no CM data = dry. I only enter data when I have something to enter. :D

QOTD ~ Unfortunatly DH and I carpool to work so he would know immediatly if I got a + during the week. There is no way I could contain information like that. I usually have to give warning if I plan on testing over the weekend because DH is a very social guy and we always have people around us (ei sleeping in our guest room because they drank to much the night before and I wouldn't let them drive) on the weekends. After a couple ummm, misunderstandings, I've learned to give him warning and then he knows not to even invite or encourage behavior that is going to have people over on a morning that I am going to test. I did buy a cute bib that I have in a little box that I'm hoping I can give to him when the time comes, although I'm sure he'll know exactly what's going on before I can even get there since he's usually pacing the floor right outside the bathroom on test days. :rolleyes:

[Chris~n~Jen]

QoTD - I've cross stitched 2 bibs for DH (one with the first letter of our last name and one with his favorite college team logo).


Ohhh, I love the idea of a crosstitched bib with the last initial. I may have to start working on something like that. That would be a great keepsake to have. :D

[tealynn]

Mrs. Pell,that's so funny that you were thinking that! I was so mad when FF took my crosshairs away. I decided it was because my trial "VIP" membership was over and I didn't renew it, so they yanked my crosshairs. Guess who showed them:cool: I'm so keeping my fingers crossed for you. Please let us know as soon as you test!

Teacher_Jessica all I can say is just BD as much as possible until your fluid goes away. Seriously, last cycle I was SICK of BDing but still had EWCM and based on the encouragement from the ladies here that I should keep it up, I did. And it apparently worked.

How to tell the hubby..., first time I thought I was pregnant a couple of months ago (I made the mistake of looking back at an HPT the next morning after POAS and swear I saw a faint line-admit it, we've all done it) any who, I put a hamburger bun in the oven, turned it on, and asked my DH to take a look at the oven because it didn't seem to be working, he pulled the oven open and said, "it's seems to be working just fine and why is there a hamburger bun in the oven" and I said, "because there's a bun in the oven". And he just looked at me and repeated "there's a bun in the oven." And I'm like, "Yep". And being the rocket scientist that he is, I put my hands on my belly and said "there's a bun in the oven". Jeeze, he finally got it.

[Smittenk]

QOTD - When you get your BFP (which I'm hoping we all do in the next few months! ) how will you tell your DH that you are pregnant?

I have a little silver airplane (he's a pilot) moneybank that I am going to wrap up and give him...I am going to write a note or card to go with it. I have been thinking about this very question for the last little while now.

ETA: Everyone has really great ideas!!

[polkadot]

QOTD - When you get your BFP (which I'm hoping we all do in the next few months! ) how will you tell your DH that you are pregnant?


I dont think I will have to tell him...he will hear my scream when I see the lines...or as someone else said...he'll hear me when I hit the floor. ;)

[teacher_jessica]

Quick Question:

If you click on the link for my FF Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/13251d ) I just changed my settings to show a chart overlay of this cycle and my last cycle. Last month I was using a plain old digital thermometer and this month I'm using a BBT. Doesn't it look like both charts are following a similar "up/down" pattern? If they are following a similar pattern, that's a good thing right because it shows my body is being consistent?

[Janey]

Chris-N-Jen - Okay Good! So maybe I'm not as confused as I thought I was. :p I still think I oughta go through one month of FF so I see how it does things.

Jessica - It's hard to say quite yet. If you're ovulating every month, that's a GOOD thing. I think FF is wrong in calling your last month's O-date. I also think your crosshairs for this month's O-date are wrong. I would be inclined to call your this-month's ovulation on May 24, since you have a CM dry-up, and a higher temp on May 25. A few more days of higher temperatures will confirm.


Updated answer to the QOTD: I stopped at Target this morning on the way out to my cousins' house (I help her take care of her 2 "Irish Twin" babies on Thursdays) and I bought my dad a World's Greatest Grandpa t-shirt. Then... I saw another T-shirt I could not pass up. It is a washed-out brown color, and it has Snoopy wearing sunglasses on the front and it says "Cool Daddy." For my Vince Guaraldi/Jazz/Peanuts loving husband -- it is soooo perfect. :D So I guess that's how I'm telling him!

[Chris~n~Jen]

It is a washed-out brown color, and it has Snoopy wearing sunglasses on the front and it says "Cool Daddy."

That's it! Now I have to get over to Target! :D


So I finally heard back from a FF advisor. She said that it looks most likely that I O'd on CD13 because of my CM especially. Although she said a couple more days temps my change my O date. One thing that she posted that I hadn't even asked about was some information on short lp's. So I guess she is thinking that my lp's are really short and I should mention it to my doctor (since the article said you should talk to your doctor about short (10 or 11 days) LP's. I have to schedule my annual for next month so I'm thinking I will print out my charts and talk to her about TTC then. Last year we were two months away from starting TTC and I told her about it. She told me "See you in a year, or sooner if you get pregnant." So it's been a year since I first talked to her. :eek:

[honeygirl]

Hi ladies, I'm back in the states and completely jet-lagged. I'm sure that is making my chart and cycle a little wacky. I left Australia at 1:30 today (thurs) and arrived here in Arizona at 1:30 today (thurs). Needless to say I am dizzy, tired and a bit nauseous.

I got a BFN on tuesday night (aus time), and I wasn't too surprised. But interestingly I haven't spotted since tuesday and my temps appear to still be up. I'm 15DPO which is late for me, my last cycles ended on 11DPO and 12DPO. So I'm wondering if I could be pregnant? That or maybe the higher dose of progesterone is working this cycle, although I did spot for 4 days, then stopped.

What do you think? I bought a couple more POAS tests, and could take one tonight or wait till tomorrow am. Any thoughts?

tealynn - Congratulations!! Happy and Healthy 9 months to you!

QOTD - When you get your BFP (which I'm hoping we all do in the next few months! ) how will you tell your DH that you are pregnant? - I really have no idea. I'd like to do something memorable, but most likely I'll just start yelling and jumping around with the stick in my hand. ;)

[Chris~n~Jen]

honeygirl ~ Welcome back! I say test in the morning. Fingers crossed! :D

[mrs_pell]

Well...No need to wait till Friday to test. Lovely miss AF showed last night (when I totally wasn't expecting her for at least 2 more days). I was so pissed, but hey...what can ya do? So, anyway, Can you please move me to "Waiting to O?".

QOTD: I've thought about this a lot, and have had so many different ideas, but I really don't know for sure. I think it will depend on when I test. If he's home, he'll know immediately I'm sure. If not, I'm sure I'll run to the store and buy some daddy stuff. I've also thought about buying him a card, and writing him a note "from the baby" in crayon or something about how he'll be such a good daddy, that he has 9 months to help mommy pick out a name, and that he'd better take good care of mommy. :p

honeygirl ~ Welcome back! I'd definitely say test in the morning! :) Keeping my fingers crossed for you!

[Sneak]

Since you guys are so helpful and knowledgable about this stuff I have a quick question...i'm on cd 8 and had a big temp drop this am. Is that normal? I know its different for everyone - just curious as to if there is reasoning for this...it was at exactly the same time as every other day - same blankets and temp in house. hmm...not a big deal..just curious. :) sorry to be asking so many questions...

[Janey]

Sneak - first, no apologizing for asking questions. That's exactly what this thread is for. :D Second... it's pretty normal to have a way-low temp every so often. What that may mean is that you were sleeping with your mouth open. When I get a temp that is SUPER low -- like - out of the realm of possibility low -- I usually retake my temp a 2nd time to see if it still registers at that super low temp. If it does, I enter my first temp. If it shoots way up to 97 or above, then I use the 2nd temp.

There is a gal in the Charting To Avoid thread that used to temp with her mouth but her temperatures were sooo inaccurate/erratic because she always slept with her mouth open. She started temping vaginally, and she got MUCH more accurate readings. I'll see if I can find the post where she showed the two charts -- it was amazing. Anyway - if you find it is becoming a regular thing to have very irregular temps, that is something you may want to consider.


Honeygirl - WELCOME BACK! I think - go ahead and test... but you know the stress of traveling very well may be affecting all sorts of weirdness in your body. If you can (not saying I could ;)) ... maybe wait till Saturday? You'll be CD16 at that point and if AF hasn't shown by then, I don't think she's gonna!


Chris-N-Jen - I'm glad you are going to talk to your Dr. about your LPs. It seems quite a few of us around here have LP's on the shorter side. I'll be interested to hear what she tells you!

[Chris~n~Jen]

Sorry about AF MrsPell! :mad:
Sneak ~ Again, ITA with MrsHill! :D
MrsHill ~ I'll be sure to let you all know what she says. AF is due for me this weekend so if she shows then I'll be making the appointment in about two weeks.


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CD22, 9DPO according to FF! My temps are continuing to climb. I finally made it above 98 degrees. I thought maybe FF would change my O date, but it kept it at CD13. Could it be that CD18 was an implantation dip??? May be pulling at straws but just wondering... :)

[Sneak]

K. No more apologizing - promise. There will be lots of questions I'm sure.

Sleeping with mouth open..interesting...never would have thought that would skew the temp reading. I temped this am 1/2 hour early since DD was already crying in crib so knew I'd be too awake and stuff by the time 530 came around - but I don't know what the temp is - forgot to check. At least the thermometer will store the last reading taken so I can check it tonight and chart it. But now I'll be wondering all day. :)

Thanks for all the information MrsHill and ChrisnJen.

Oh - didn't answer QOTD. Not sure how I'll tell DH this time. Last time he was there so said right away - but the response I got was "are you sure...are you really sure...don't want to get hopes up". Thanks hon! Be a little excited! hehe. Once it sunk it, all was good. This time I'd like to do something different but know I won't be able to keep my mouth shut long enough!

[Chris~n~Jen]

Oh - didn't answer QOTD. Not sure how I'll tell DH this time. Last time he was there so said right away - but the response I got was "are you sure...are you really sure...don't want to get hopes up". Thanks hon! Be a little excited! hehe. Once it sunk it, all was good. This time I'd like to do something different but know I won't be able to keep my mouth shut long enough!

Have you thought about making a t-shirt for DD that says something like "I'm the Big Sister". Then put it on her and just wait for DH to notice. I've always thought this was a cute idea and something I'm going to try and do if/when we get pregnant with #2. Still working on #1 but always thinking ahead! ;)

[honeygirl]

Not pregnant, BFN this morning and my temp dropped a little. However, still no AF and I'm 16DPO. I figure AF will come sometime today or tonight. I guess I'm late b/c of all the traveling. I'm disappointed, I was hoping that by some miracle we would be fertile despite my LPD and what comes along with it. Oh well, there's always next cycle! :(

Chris N Jen - Your chart looks beautiful! The temps seem to be going up more than prior cycles. Good luck!!

[Janey]

Sneak (and others who are interested) - I found the post where TheMarieke compared temping orally to vaginally (http://www.constantchatter.com/showpost.php?p=688269&postcount=415). Check out how nice and clear the 2nd cycle's ovulation was, versus the first cycle, which was all over the place.

[Sneak]

Chrisnjen - I've thought of doing something like that for our parents to tell them they are going to be grandparents again. Our moms would notice. Can't say DH would though - you know men! haha Not exactly the most observant! Since we work together I'm thinking that after I have told my boss formally, I will bring DD in wearing the tshirt to share the news with the rest of the staff. That could be cute...

Honeygirl - HUGS - its so hard to see the BFN.

Mrshill - thanks for the link. What a difference! For some reason, the thought of temping vaginally seems wierd. Maybe cause I'm used to the idea of "thermometer under tongue". :)

I also have an OPK that I was hoping to use this month. Now to figure out WHEN to start with it. I think I'll do it based on CM and when there was EWCM last month. Is that how I determine when? I'm sure it probably says in the box, but of course I'm at work and can't check from here.

[Byrd's Boogie]

Hi Ladies,

Well it looks like there is no oops! for us this month. Temp dropped and AF showed today. It's just as well, when I had my myomectomy in Feb. the Dr. said that he wanted me to schedule an HSG before ttc again. So, I have an appt. for June 1.

QOTD ~ DH wants to be there there when I test, I think he's more anxious than I am to get pregnant!

[mrs_pell]

Quick question...I know that it isn't supposed to matter what time of day AF shows - it's still CD1. If she shows around 11pm, do y'all still count that as CD1? It wasn't really spotting, it was definitely red (I'd say "light", but not spotting, which I never have pre-AF). Should I count that as CD1?

[honeygirl]

MrsPell - If it's after bedtime I tend to put the next day for CD1. Sorry btw, I think I'll be in the same boat later tonight as well. I'm pissed too! :(

[Chris~n~Jen]

I may be with you girls also. I'm feeling really crampy and I'm definatly moody. I just feel like I'll be waking up to AF. Great way to start off my weekend getaway! :mad:

[polkadot]

to all you girls who AF is paying a visit.....(((hugs))) and invision me ***shaking fists at her**

FOr those of us waiting to O ....please let us catch the eggie...

[jenjen0713]

Sorry to everyone that AF found! :mad: Wicked ole hag!

Still waiting to O. (yawning) I did get some OPKs to try this month, so I'll start POAS in the next couple days.

QOTD - When I found out I was pregnant with DS, I went and bought a camcorder and was playing around with it when DH got home from work. I made up an excuse how I was just testing out the new camera and was following him around the house. When he got to the bathroom, he found the pregnancy test, so I was able to get his reaction to becoming a father on video! I think I might try something similar this time again. I'll have DS "make" him a gift and wrap it and then video him opening the gift.

[LDS Angel 19]

QOTD: Telling DH. Well, this time, he'll most likely be home when I test, and if it's positive he'll know by hearing me scream :D

Speaking of testing, I'm going to be testing around 6/3 so could the threadmistress please move me to the appropriate spot. Also, I had my birthday about two weeks ago, I'm now 23. THANKS!

Hope everyone has a nice weekend!

[Smittenk]

so I was able to get his reaction to becoming a father on video!

How awesome...and what a great idea! I would love to capture DH's reaction t he news when the time comes. I will have to remember that...we want to buy a camcorder when we have a baby anyways :p

[lilhimley]

Okay, it's the weekend and I actually have three days off from both jobs so I can finally catch up here. I don't want to do shout outs because I'm afraid I'll miss somebody, so I will just offer positive vibes to everyone, dirty looks at AF, and baby dust to the group.

For me, I had EWCM on Tues, Wed, and Thurs, but didn't get a positive OPK until Friday, so we didn't BD until Friday and the EWCM had just turned to watery by then, so I think we might have missed it. I've been making DH wait until a +OPK to get the most spermies out at the right time, but maybe we should just start doing it every other day as soon as EWCM appears. Any opinions on this? Will that be our best shot to catch the egg? We used to do it every day of EWCM until it went away and I got no more +OPKs, but that could be like 6 or 7 days in a row and DH can't do that.

I promise to keep up better this weekend and hopefully I will make time to do so during the week too. Good luck everyone!

[honeygirl]

AF came late last night. Please move me to waiting to O. I had a bit of a cry last night and talked to DH about it. He didn't seem as disappointed as me, I think he's still getting used to the idea of TTC and was maybe even relieved. I know it was only our 1st official try, so I shouldn't get too worked up yet, but I'm still disappointed. On the bright side at least I can stop taking the progesterone suppositories for a couple weeks, I hate them!

Best wishes to those of you waiting to test. Have a great memorial day everyone!

[Janey]

Honeygirl - I'm sorry you had some tears. I want to say something sensitive yet encouraging to you, so that you will do the same for me in about 2.5 weeks. So here's my best shot: Just keep telling yourself: "20% Chance. First month. It's okay." And know that in two short weeks, you get another shot. :)

lilhimley - I would think, BD every other day as soon as EWCM appears, and try to hit every +OPK day.

MrsJackson05 - I forgot to say this before... but I too wonder about temp shift without ovulating. I asked about that in the "Interpret My Chart!" thread but didn't get an answer. If you find an answer, I'd be interested to know!

[Sherb]

I can't believe this is the first chance I've had to stop by in a couple of weeks.

Threadmistress, Please move me to Think I O'd, testing 6/05

Good luck to all that are testing soon. Better luck next time to all those with BFNs.

[ABirney]

Hi ladies...
Sorry I'm behind so some general s/o's...
Sorry to all the hag found.
Good luck to those O'ing or testing soon.

Well for me I'm on CD82... 10DPO.... no FPS yet.. but I had a *slight* dip 8DPO and now today I'm up a bit again to 98.2.. .looked through my past charts and the highest I've been with exception of a couple times I wasn't feeling well was 98.0... so maybe that's a good thing... or maybe I"m just reading too much into it. :rolleyes: DH still insists that he knows I am... he says I have a glow. lol just today I asked him how he is so sure and he said when we BD'd at O time he heard the sperm working on the egg with little jackhammers... LOL! He's so wierd.
Anyway I hope everyone has a good day and a happy Memorial Day tomorrow!

[miaclear]

Hi ladies. This is my first time charting and I'm not sure I've Oed or not. My temp is gradually rising (I didn't temp yesterday morning cause we partied pretty hard and didn't even go to bed till 6am. I did temp at 11:00 when I woke up but my temp of 98.4 was off the charts so I didn't use it). Can anyone look at my chart and give me their charting experience oppinion? FF said based on my last two cycles (where I didn't temp but recorded CM and such) that I could O from last Friday through tomorrow).

Thanks :D

[Janey]

Miaclear - it's hard to say. A couple of more days of high temperatures could prove that you ovulated on CD17 or 18, but it is a wait-n-see for you, I think.

[gymwidow]

Hi all. Just a quick post - I'm not much in the mood for chatting right now. AF arrived this weekend, only a week after my IUI and while I was taking 800 mg a day of progesterone. I'm totally confused and upset (and the nurse I talked to this morning was just as confused) and I have no idea what's going on. I'm really worried that there's something else that might be wrong, that's either causing this consistently early bleeding or preventing us from getting pregnant, or both. I'm supposed to go in Tuesday for CD3 b/w and u/s to start a fresh cycle, but I'm not sure I want to right away. It hasn't even been 2 weeks since I finished the last round of shots and I think I might want to give my ovaries a break before I start overstimulating them again. I emailed my RE and am going to try to talk with him tomorrow to get his opinion, and then will discuss with DH and make a decision.

Sigh. Here we go again.

[Charting is Knowledge]

Updated to here.

[ABirney]

miaclear I agree with MrsHill... see what the next few days brings.
gymwidow {{{HUGS}}} I was so hoping this was your month!

[flygirl]

Gym, is it possible this is implantation bleeding? It's usually light spotting, but it's not at all unheard of to have a full day of bleeding...especially if you're taking the prog.

Mia, it's impossible to say yet based on your temps yet. It's very likely you O'd CD17 or CD18, but you can't tell for sure without 3 sustained temps.

MrsJackson & Mrs.Hill, it's possible to have temp shifts & not O, but not likely. The only way to tell for sure if you've O'd is with an ultrasound. In Polka's case, her temp shift is showing a few days past her last peak day (last day of fertile CM). This usually means either a) her body is slow to react to the progesterone or b) the CL is simply not producing enough prog, which can inhibit proper implantation. Since Polka tested low on prog, it's most likely the latter, but that doesn't mean she isn't Oing (tell that to your doc :p).

ABirney, I've got everything crossed for you! I know how long you've been waiting for this. This is such a clear O & your temps are still going up!

honeygirl, try not to be discouraged! The sups obviously helped your LP, which is a start! Just think how difficult this would be if you hadn't been charting. And just think how much more fun it'll be to tell DH when he's just as anxious :).

[honeygirl]

MrsHill and Flygirl - Thank you both, you are so encouraging. Flygirl, you made some good points and I am glad that my LP was extended this cycle. And MrsHill, yes, only a couple more weeks till we start again. :)

gymwidow - Sorry to hear of your early AF, what a dissapointment. :(

[Janey]

Flygirl - Thanks for coming in to answer questions! It's nice to have an Expert stop by every once in a while. :D

[Jess71903]

I am so sorry your body is not cooperating, gymwidow! I hope your Dr. can figure out what's going on with you and get you knocked up!

I haven't posted in a while so I will update. It's either CD 5 or 8. Again, I don't know what to chart as CD 1. If I leave it where I thought it was, I would have had a 14 day LP last cycle, but then CD1-light CD2 and 3- spotting, then CD 3 and 4 with cramping and medium flow and that would make this an 8 day period so far. CD 1 was crampy and med-heavy pre-BCP. I changed CD 1 to the 1st day of the cramps and med. flow, but that makes last cycles LP 17 days long, which seems too long. I don't know.

The bigger thing that I need yall's help with is buying a new thermometer. Mine that I got in Jan is already dying and it cost as much to replace the battery as it would be to just get another one. Any suggestions as to what kind to get. I like the soft tip, like my regular digital thermometer, but I want a good one, so that doesn't really matter that much.

Last thing- my BFF had her baby night before last. I got to be there and it was an awesome experience! I think I am the only one in the room that cried when he was born! I love being with them and the baby and I am fine while I am there, but I fall to pieces when I am just thinking about them. We started TTC within 2 months of each other. I just knew I would be pg by the time she gave birth. I am just an emotional mess these last few days. So many things remind me that I'm still childless...even our trip to the USVIs. I just knew I would need a maternity bathing suit, but now I am just expecting to get AF when I get there.
Ok, so not the last thing- I talked to my dad today, which is a once-a-week thing, and while I was telling him about my friend, he said "You know, I am the only 54 year old man down here that's not a grandfather". I about freaked out! Kinda in a good way(he doesn't know we're TTC) . I NEVER thought he would be the one saying things like that! He followed it up by saying he was kidding and no pressure, and we both had plenty of time for that. Anyway, enough rambling!

[ABirney]

Hi ladies...
Jess congrats to your friend. I was in the room for the birth of my niece about a year ago.. it truly is an awesome experience! Oh, and hopefully your dad will be a grandpa soon!
flygirl thanks for crossing your fingers for me!

Well I had the urge to POAS this am.. of course BFN..:rolleyes: Depending on what my temps do and any spotting that may start (I've been having AF-like cramps since yesterday afternoon) I'll test again either Wed or Thurs.

[ChicagoKate]

ABirney ~~ Lots of dust to you!! Your chart looks geat!
Gymwidow ~ So sorry that AF found you. What a dissapointment.
Miaclear ~ Hard to call O based on your chart. Give it a couple more days and continue the BDing JIC.

~~~
FF gave me crosshairs today and said that I am 6DPO. Not sure if I'm buying though b/c I've had definitely EWCM for the past few days. So I'm thinking I'm more likely 3DPO. Any input? Also, I had the worst cold last week so my chart could be wonky b/c of that. Either way, I'm testing the week of 6/5.

[lilhimley]

honeygirl, sorry about AF's arrival

ABirney, I hope this is it for you!

miaclear, can't tell yet if you O'd, have to wait a few days

gymwidow, that totally stinks! I wish you well at the Dr. I recommend writing down all of your questions and not leaving until you get them all answered. I always forget to ask something.

jess, I like the BD brand BBThermometer. The battery lasted about 8 months, but I bought a new one and read the instructions. I'm going to start turning it off after I take my morning temp since it always stays on a whole hour after temping. By pressing it again to turn it off, I'm hoping it will last longer. I bought a Walgreens brand one and it was awful. The button was too hard to push.

Thanks Mrs. Hill. I think next cycle we'll try BDing every other day from beginning EWCM until my temp goes up. This cycle, my CM dried up Fri/Sat with +OPKs on Friday so I thought I must have O'd around Friday, but now it's Monday and my temp hasn't gone up yet, so I don't know what is going on! I think my temp is slow to rise, but this is really slow. I'm supposed to go to the lab a week after O to check my progesterone, but I don't even know when I O'd or if I O'd. Agh, frustrating. Thanks for listening to me vent.

[Janey]

Jess - I also use the BD brand Thermometer. This one (http://www.drugstore.com/products/prod.asp?pid=40512&catid=1332&trx=PLST-0-SEARCH&trxp1=1332&trxp2=40512&trxp3=1&trxp4=0&btrx=BUY-PLST-0-SEARCH). I like it fine, but I've never had anything to compare it against. :)

lilhimley - Give it a couple of days. Your chart could be a 'fall back rise' chart as well. I'd be tempted to call O for you on the CD24 if you have another 2-3 days of sustained high temps.

[JayJay]

Holy Goodness! I have EWCM! It's been about a year since I've had it (That I've noticed.) I've had small batches of it, after ovulation, but I've had it for the past two days. I'm impressed with my body. :D

I was doing so well about temping, and not making a huge thing about it. But I almost think that I've been a little too lax about not making a huge stink. I didn't temp Saturday or Sunday morning, because I was soooo tired. And that was stupid time not to temp, because I think I may have O'ed sometime this weekend. Now FF will be all wonky about my chart because I'm missing temps. Grrr......

[JayJay]

Thank you flygirl, for that explanation. I was getting nervous that all this temping that I've done, and obsessing that I've done was pointless if I wasn't O'ing at all. I know you're not saying for sure that I am, but your post made me feel a bit better! Thanks again!

[ABirney]

Well of course since I tested this am, I started spotting this pm.. oh well, dr wanted me to wait until I lose some wt first anyway and I'm just happy to have O'd at all! So just waiting for full-fledged AF here. Thanks to everyone who had their fingers crossed anyways!
It's late here and we just got back home from my grandparents, so I'll post individual s/o's tomorrow. Have a great night everyone!

[Sebski]

Okay I'm totally lost w/ this cycle. AF should have shown up on Sunday, but lost her way. I've been getting BFNs and my temp dipped yesterday and today, but not below coverline or enough for me to know that she's arriving today. So confused!!! I've never been this late w/out a BFP before! :confused:

Edited to add, if I remove my CM info surrounding my O dates, FF leaves my coverlines put and just changes them to dotted lines. I started thyroid meds for my underactive thryoid on 5/17 so that might be the cause for such a high thermal shift so late in the cycle.

[Smittenk]

I have a question for you charting pros...I noticed this last month as I was paying particular attention to CF.

Is it possible to have fertile CM after your temp rise?? I usually get a bit of creamy CF (sorry if this is TMI) before the temp hike but no EWCF...then about 2-3 days after my temp rise I start getting EWCF and quite a bit of it. Is this possible that I am still fertile?? Is my body just out of whack still (Stopped BCP October 05)??

Anyone heard of this before? I appreciate the help!

[ChicagoKate]

SmittenK ~ I too get fertile CM after O sometimes, like this cycle. Here's some info from FF:

Why do I have eggwhite cervical fluid after I have already ovulated?

Some cervical fluid after ovulation is possible because the corpus luteum, though its main function is to produce progesterone, produces estrogen in small amounts. This may cause you to see some fertile-looking cervical fluid, even after ovulation.

If your temperatures and other signs show clearly that you have already ovulated, then you can be confident that you are no longer fertile. It is also not uncommon to confuse semen and eggwhite or watery cervical fluid. Some women also notice some fertile-looking cervical fluid just before menstruation.

However, if your chart does not show clearly that you have already ovulated (with a clear and sustained thermal shift) do not stop having intercourse. Keep on considering the possibility that you are still fertile as long as you see fertile cervical fluid to make sure you don't miss a chance to conceive.

[kanga1622]

Wow...busy weekend for everyone.

Sorry for those that had AF show up. I'm expecting her toward the end of this week. I just don't think this is our month. I have a free VIP trial right now which is kinda nice. I'm hoping it sticks around until this cycle ends.

[Chris~n~Jen]

Just got back from my weekend getaway! I had to read a few pages back to get caught up. So I won't do S/O's.
Sorry for those with AF!
Good Luck to those about to Test or trying to catch the eggie!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
We went to Key West for memorial day weekend. AF was due to show on Sunday. I honestly did not think about testing at all. I really only thought about it a couple of times when I went to the bathroom and thought "huh, still no AF" It was great to be away and not stress.

Well, now the stressing begins. FF had me testing on Sunday. Which I did not do. :p Now I am 13DPO (which would be my longest LP ever). So last night when we got home around 10 pm, I decided to take an I/C test that I had. It's the one where you use the dropper and put a couple drops of pee in the little circle that is on the stick. When I went back to check I had a very faint second line. However, I'm wondering if it wasn't just an evap line because I did wait a while before checking it. I finished eating a cheeseburget that I had and then went back so I don't even know for sure how long I waited. :rolleyes: Then this morning I took another of the tests and checked at 3 minutes and again at 8 minutes. There is a very, very, very faint second line (much lighter than the one last night). I don't know if I should believe it or not?!? These tests were sent to me by a former graduate along with some OPK's and I don't really have the directions to see how long I"m supposed to wait. Also I'm wondering how reliable they are. Maybe I'm just seeing traces of the dye coming through because they are cheap????

I didn't have time to stop and get another test on my way to work, so I'm stuck here all day wondering what's going on. Anyone have any experiences with this type of test?

Crazy waiting game..... There is always something to stress about! :rolleyes:

[Charting is Knowledge]

Updated to here.

[jenjen0713]

Chris~n~Jen - Holy moly!! :eek: I say you go get yourself another BFP and retest!!! Keeping my fingers crossed for you! :D

As for me I'm on CD13 and supposedly I got a positive OPK yesterday. Not sure that I entirely believe it, but I guess the next few days will tell. DH and I BDed last night and will try to BD again tonight. Then it will be into the dreaded 2WW.

[ChicagoKate]

Fingers crossed for you Chris~n~Jen! That sounds really promising! Definitely get a new test and try again. Fingers crossed for you!!

[gymwidow]

Thanks, everyone, for all the good wishes. It's been a pretty sucky few days. I talked to the doc this morning and he says it's odd, but that a 9 day LP (counted from my date of trigger) isn't too terrible, and that we should still be able to treat it with drugs. In short, he wants to do another injectables cycle with a more traditional trigger (instead of the Lupron) and have me take Cronine instead of Prometrium during my LP. He said if that doesn't work, we might have to consider IVF. DH and I are going to talk today and discuss with our family friend the OB/GYN and then decide what to do. I'm going in tomorrow for b/w and u/s just to see what's up and will speak with the doc again and then decide if I want to start right back up or take a couple of weeks to a month off. I'll keep you guys posted!

Chris~n~Jen, can you run out and pick up a test?

[Chris~n~Jen]

jenjen, ChicagoKate, & gymwidow ~ Thanks for the finger crossing! :D DH and I carpool to work so I'm stuck without the car. I'm trying to talk my co-worker/friend into going out to lunch and stopping at Wal-greens. We have to drop off our film from this weekend, so hoping she will go for it. Otherwise DH and I are stopping on the way home from work. We did stop at 7-11 for coffee this morning and he wanted me to get another test there. But it was some brand I'd never even heard off (Good Sense or something similar). I didn't want to get another cheapie brand and maybe get my hopes crushed if it was BFN. Then if it was BFN, I would still be wondering if it was accurate or not. So here I sit.......:cool:

[Jess71903]

Thinking BFP thoughts for you Chris-n-Jen! I would tend to lean on the "line is a line" thing...I am thinking if the lines you saw had color then that's really promising! I will be checking back soon!

Thank you for the thermometer suggestions, girls. I was going to buy another one, but just to see I asked the jewelry lady at Wal-Mart again, and they had the battery I needed for like $2.50. It was $9.30 or something like that at JCPenney!
Got to hold BFF's baby for like 2 hours yesterday, so I got my temporary fix. He is so sweet! He slept on my chest and was so comfy!

[Felicity]

Chris~n~Jen - Sounds very promising!!! Especially since there were two seperate tests! Keep us posted!!!

I haven't been around much lately, but I did read back and get caught up! Whew! It's been busy around here!

Technically my chart still has me as waiting to O. However, my temp shot up considerably this morning, so I'm hoping I O'ed yesterday. If I did O yesterday our timing was really good! Kind excited/anxious to enter my first 2WW!!! :D

[tealynn]

ChrisnJen, I really,really hope this is it for you! As they say, a line is a line. We need another BFP!!

I'm SO bummed you guys! I started spotting on Sunday, light brown which shouldn't be a worry but yesterday, it turned into red spotting and then a full on heavy flow. I've tried to call my health care provider but waited almost an hour to speak to an advice nurse (Kaiser) and finally hung up. I don't think there's any chance I'm still PG, considering the amount of blood I lost, however, a PG test yesterday morning showed a faint line (much, much lighter than my previous tests) and this morning my temp was still high and the bleeding stopped? Am I grasping at straws??? Could I have a tubal PG? I'm flipping out.

I really don't know what to do. I was just thinking about how I would tell my parents the news.:(

I'm thinking about sneaking out and testing again but I guess I should just try to make an appt. with my OB/GYN.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

BTW, welcome back Flygirl! It's nice to see you around the boards again.

[Jess71903]

Tealyn- if you can't get in touch with your Dr. and you are losing that much blood, go to the ER! Don't wait around!

[Janey]

gymwidow - I can only imagine how stressful all of this is for you. I am keeping you in my thoughts.

Chris~N~Jen - Holy Moly, Sister!! Go get another test if you have to walk to Wallgreens! :D

Tealynn - soooo hard to say. If you are concerned, however, definitely call your doctor! The 'worst' thing that will happen is they'll say nothing's wrong with you... which sounds pretty good to me.


Nothing new here. Using OPK's now on Dr's orders. CD15 today and still a negative ... I don't expect to ovulate until CD19, however.

Oh ... I had a dream about charting & cycles last night. I dreamed I ovulated, and then 2 days later I got my period. But it was only a one-day period. So I enter this data into Ovusoft in my dreams (what other geek besides me dreams about computing??) and Ovusoft says, in big bold letters - PCOS. And so of course, I was like, "Why is it saying that?? I don't want it to say that! What if I took yesterday's data out and put this in, instead?" And then I realized that I had a progesterone prescription, and messed up taking it... and that's why I bled early. I'm sure it's just an anxiety dream, but I don't really feel that anxious. Weird.

[Chris~n~Jen]

Oh, tealynn {{{HUGS}}}! Try and get ahold of your dr asap! I can't believe they would have you on hold that long. This sounds like an emergancy to me. I'm so sorry you are going through this! :(

[flygirl]

Hee :D. I miss answering questions. Thanks for the welcome-backs :).

tealynn, I'm so sorry! Call the doc NOW. There are so many possibilities at this point and you need to know how to proceed. Obviously if this is a tubal, it can be life-threatening. If it's a vanishing twin, you need to verify that the other is still viable. If it's a natural m/c, you need to have your blood levels monitored back to 0. No matter how you look at it, you *need* to see a doc ASAP. You are too far along to consider this a simple chem pg.

Chris~n~Jen, I'm sorry you have to sit there, waiting! However (and I don't know if you've addressed this yet), given your history of a short LP, I'd be on the phone with the doc, pronto, to get a blood test & progesterone supps. I don't agree with FF's call of O on CD13. Based on your temps, CD18 is much more likely. It is still possible to get a BFP at 8 DPO :).

SmittenK, there are actually a couple of different reasons for fertile CM after O. There is a slight estrogen surge around the middle of the LP, usually causing a slight dip in temps & wetter CM. Also, as the CL dies out at the end of the LP, the drop in prog. leads to wetter CM. Personally, I have a noticeable dry-up right after O, but a day later I have lots of creamy/watery CM, and don't really dry up until the second half of the LP. Your charts aren't totally clear, so as the TCOYF quote above states, don't stop BDing if you have EWCM a few days after a temp shift.

Sebski, hypothyroid meds will *definitely* raise your body temp significantly, and your chart temps this cycle are practically useless as your body adjusts to the meds. However, if your CM is correct, then an O on CD15 or 16 is likely, and your chances for a BFP are good.

BTW, the dotted lines appear when two or more signs don't line up, such as fertile CM or +OPK well after a temp shift. Since you don't have any other stats on your public page, I can't tell why FF gives you the dottted lines. When you're on your FF home page, scroll down past the chart and look under Fertility Analyzer. It'll explain where it seeIf yous a discrepency, but remember to always take it with a grain of salt.

jess, how neat to be a part of the birthing experience! I'm sorry it's so bittersweet for you, though. Try to take away the positive energy you felt & put it toward BDing :). As to the start of your cycle: how many cycles have you charted? What is your normal LP, and how long is your average period? The first thought that jumped into my mind is that it doesn't really matter when you consider Day1, since both a 14-day & 17-day LP are healthy & normal. Spotting prior to AF is not really cause for concern, unlike heavy brown spotting afterward. However, if these things are unusual, give your doc a call.

My rundown of four (:eek: ) different therms. The first one from Wallgreens (http://www.walgreens.com/store/product.jsp?CATID=100125&navAction=jump&navCount=0&id=prod1159737) is good; I used it for well over a year. It only beeps lightly at the end so it doesn't disturb your partner, and it has temp re-call so you can look at it later. But it doesn't have a backlight for looking at it in the dark (I used to tip over my alarm clock to try to read it) and the temp-recall only lets you look at it once, so it's easy to lose it.

Then my friend started temping with this Brite-Life therm (http://www-training.rxsolutions.com/a/ShoppingCart/ProductDetail.asp?qsCatalogNum=550489) and I thought it was so cool that it read to the 100th of a degree. Turns out it takes *forever* to read your temp, the screen is very difficult to read & it's very easy to lose the recall.

Next came the BD (http://www.drugstore.com/products/prod.asp?pid=40512&catid=1332&trx=PLST-0-SEARCH&trxp1=1332&trxp2=40512&trxp3=1&trxp4=0&btrx=BUY-PLST-0-SEARCH) which I continue to use. I don't like that the loud beeping which wakes me up rather than lets me doze (not to mention DH), but the recall lasts until you temp again, the screen is very clear & the backlight makes it so easy to see.

Finally I bought this one from Healthy Living (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CFRB14/102-5868599-0572968?v=glance&n=3760901) after forgetting mine on vacation. It also reads to the 100th but doesn't take nearly as long as the other one, and the reading stays on the therm for a long time. It beeps softly which allows me to stay half-asleep if I'm not ready to get up.

[Chris~n~Jen]

Chris~n~Jen, I'm sorry you have to sit there, waiting! However (and I don't know if you've addressed this yet), given your history of a short LP, I'd be on the phone with the doc, pronto, to get a blood test & progesterone supps. I don't agree with FF's call of O on CD13. Based on your temps, CD18 is much more likely. It is still possible to get a BFP at 8 DPO :).

Thanks for the info flygirl! I really hadn't thought much about the short LP and needing progesterone supps. I did remember you girls thinking that it was more likly I O'd on CD18, making me only 8DPO which I thought could be the reason for such a light second line. I will put in a call to my doctor, I just hate to call if it turns out I'm not prego and I read the tests wrong or something. :o


Question for everyone. ~ What test do you recommend for early testing in the middle of the day??? I'm going to run out and grab some tests over my lunch break. Since it won't be EMU which test would be best to get??


I have been running to the bathroom to check for AF (although I have no typical AF type cramps) so much that I'm starting to get sore from all the wipping. ;)

[Ericka_Jarett]

Jen - I commented in your other thread, but I used Equate and CBE Digital mid-day and of course first thing in the AM and got my BFP's. Just remember if you really are only DPO8 you may get negatives on the other tests for another couple of days, even if you are preggers. Hope you get your BFP though this cycle.

[Jess71903]

As to the start of your cycle: how many cycles have you charted? What is your normal LP, and how long is your average period? The first thought that jumped into my mind is that it doesn't really matter when you consider Day1, since both a 14-day & 17-day LP are healthy & normal. Spotting prior to AF is not really cause for concern, unlike heavy brown spotting afterward. However, if these things are unusual, give your doc a call.

Thank you so much for the detail! I have charted for 5 cycles (started in Jan and took one cycle off). My average cycle is 28 days with O on CD 14 (how average can I get??) Average LP is 15 days, but that is with at least 2 cycles not calling CD 1 until after a few days of what I called spotting...that would change if I called the spotting CD 1. What confuses me is that when that first day of spotting starts, it is obvious that it is AF coming. It is red or pink and usually plenty on the TP. Then it goes away and I spot brown with maybe tinges of red for a couple of days. Before BC, if I saw that pink or red show it was continuous until the last couple of days of AF, when it would go away at night and be light in the day.

I guess the only thing that concerns me right now is that I want to know when to expect O, and not be off by 4 days, but I got OPKs yesterday, so that should take care of that. I just have to decide when to take them.

Thanks for the therm reviews too, but I have just replaced the battery in mine for a lot less than I thought I could (see above post). I hope your review will help someone else pick one!

[jenjen0713]

Chris~n~Jen - I think on the first page of this thread (right after everyone's stats) there is a list of pregnancy tests and which ones are the most sensitive. The lower the number, the more sensitive. Also, I would be limiting my intake of liquids for a couple of hours before taking another test. Good luck!!

[Chris~n~Jen]

Chris~n~Jen - I think on the first page of this thread (right after everyone's stats) there is a list of pregnancy tests and which ones are the most sensitive. The lower the number, the more sensitive. Also, I would be limiting my intake of liquids for a couple of hours before taking another test. Good luck!!

Thanks! After I posted my question, I remembered that the list was on the first page. I've already read through it! :D Thanks for the liquid tip. I hadn't thought of that, but haven't drank anything since my morning coffee so I should be good to go!

I'm getting excited but also scared! I just really, really want to see a dark second line (or plus sign depending on what I end up with :D ).

note to self: Must remain calm and :cool: if I don't get a +. Must remember I may only be 8PDO and not far enough along for a +)

flygirl ~ You are always so knowledgeable and full of answers. Do you work in the medical field? Just wondering!

[JayJay]

Chris-N-Jen------Man, I swear...If I was there, I would be making a trip for an HPT for you! I'm sittin' pins and needles for you! :D So exciting!

[Smittenk]

Thankyou for you help with the CF after O Flygirl and ChicagoKate!! That makes alot of sense...I guess we will continue to BD after temp rise just cover it just in case!

[jessied1025]

chris n jenn Crossing my fingers that this is your month. Your chart is looking great!

Threadmisstress: Please move me to "waiting to O". Thanks. I started spotting late last week and by Saturday morning it was AF coming in. It was light the first couple of days, but today has been heavier. I guess its onto another cycle, ugh. :(

Unfortantely with AF coming a couple of days early I will now have to rescheduled my annual appointment with my OBGYN. Plus I want to speak to her about not getting pregnant yet and my short LPs. It currently it set for June 22 which would be CD26 and I usually am spotting by then. So I will have to rescheduled it for after the 4th of July when we are in Colorado.

[Jess71903]

What time do you get to take lunch, Jen???? I think we're all sitting impatiently at our computers hoping for "the post" from you!

[Jess71903]

aw, sorry AF found you, Jessied! I am having trouble typing because my dog (in my avatar) keeps putting her head under my arm to be loved on and messing me up!

[teacher_jessica]

Well, I am on CD23 and depending on which s/w you go by I'm either 5 or 6dpo. For a long time FF had me ovulating on CD14 so I'm glad it finally changed because I was totally confused. I'm still not sure which s/w program has my O date right though. What do you ladies think? Links to my charts are in my siggy I believe.

I feel a lot more calm in this 2ww than I did the first time around. ;) DH will be gone to a weekend golfing/bachelor party down in Oregon from Friday-Sunday so I'm hoping that will make it even easier for me to wait on testing. We'll see. Knowing me I won't hold out on testing. :D

Well, after the 3-day weekend I'm feeling totally behind so I'll attempt s/o's later today after I get the chance to go through and read everyone's entries. Although I will say this, GOOD LUCK Chris~n~Jen! Also, my fingers are crossed for you Tealynn and I'm hoping that everything with your pg is a-okay!

Threadmistress, please move me to 2WW/Waiting to Test~ THANKS!!!

[Jess71903]

teacher Jess- I am not great at chart interpretation, so take this with a grain of salt, but I guess since both programs called O on CD 18, that's what I would believe, but that dip at CD 14 would have had me convinced that I O'd then. Looks like you are pretty well covered either way. BTW- what the heck was that humungous temp difference about last cycle? WOW! There was no question as to whether or not you Od, huh?

[jenjen0713]

teacher jess - I could go either way with CD 14 or CD 18. I like CD 14 just because it seems your CP and CM match up better with that.

[teacher_jessica]

Jess71903 Weren't my temps last month nuts? I was so excited last month just because as I plugged my temps in I could completely tell when I O'd. I'm not really sure what the deal was with the hug temperature shift though. Last month I was using a different thermometer though. This month I've been using a digital BBT. FF has me Oing on CD17 and Ovusoft has me Oing on CD18. The funny part is that the two s/w programs were off of each other by one day last cycle too. :rolleyes:

jenjen0713 I'm thinking I O'd earlier than CD17 or 18 too just because of CP. It was high, soft and open on CD's 15 and 16. So thanks for your input! :)

[tealynn]

Okay, Flygirl significantly scared the poop out of me. I had to rough up one of the advice nurses to get an appt. but I'm being seen at 2:30. I just know I'm not PG anymore. I can feel it. I pretty much came to terms with it yesterday but after the advice nurse listened to my symptoms she was like "okay, so the worst of it is over", I'm like, thanks for letting me down easy, sister.

I'm not coming back to work today so I'll let you all know what's up tomorrow...although I'm pretty darn sure I can't wait to find out what's up with ChrisnJen. I don't leave til 2 so I'll be checking back in until then.

Post, post, post Jen.

[Chris~n~Jen]

Thanks for thinking of me girls! Just got back from lunch. I took a First Response and got a BFN. :( It's a two pack so I'll test again in the morning if still no AF.

[tealynn]

Chin up, Jen. We're still keeping everything crossed for you!

[Chris~n~Jen]

Thanks tealynn! Good luck at your doctors appointment. I'm glad you were able to get in today. Let us know what happens.

[Charting is Knowledge]

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[honeygirl]

This thread is hopping today!

Chris n Jen - Oh my I'd be going crazy if I was you. Crossing my fingers that your next test is a BFP!

tealynn - So sorry to hear about your bleeding, that must be so stressful. I hope that you get some good news at your appt this afternoon, take care of yourself!

Update:
I scheduled my endometrial biopsy for the end of June. I missed having it done this last cycle b/c of our trip. Has anyone here had one of those? How painful are they?

[flygirl]

tealynn, I'm sorry for scaring you! But I'm glad you're getting in to see a doc. It sucks that the nurse was so insensitive, though, and I hate to say this, but she's not totally correct. The first time I experienced the exact same things you are, including a light AF, and the cramps hit in full force the day *after* I stopped bleeding. You might want to check out the Support for Ladies Who Have Miscarried (http://www.constantchatter.com/showthread.php?t=8736), even in this time of uncertainty. I truly hope this isn't it for you, but if it is, the thread is one of the most amazing support groups I've experienced, and there is a wealth of information. This is one of those things that NO ONE can understand unless they've been through it. My thoughts are with you.

Jen, if you can handle it, consider waiting until you get a blood test. If you're only 8 DPO you may still get BFNs for a few days & that will drive you insane. I hope you can get in to see the doc ASAP! And no, I'm not in the medical field, just passionate about this stuff. Enough so that I'm actually considering pursuing an MS in Public Health & joining the field. :)

teacher, I agree that CD18 is much more likely, as was CD17 last cycle. FF just loves that temp dip which in reality only occurs 10% of the time. CP is only a secondary sign & can change throughout the day, in fact, you're only supposed to check it once a day, at the same time every day. It's really a better tool to tell you that you're getting ready to O and that you've already O'd, but not to pinpoint O.

Jessied, I'm sorry AF reared her ugly head. It's good that your Dr. appt. is coming up. In fact, I wouldn't worry about rescheduling, especially with short LPs. If anything, I would see if you can get in earlier (maybe there's a waiting list for cancelations?). Either way, if you see her during your LP she can test your prog. levels.

[ptcrn]

Hi ladies!

Sorry I've been MIA so long. I feel like its a common theme for me lately, but I just haven't felt up to posting. I have been reading along though, and cheering everyone on in my head! ;) I'm way too far behind to catch up on SO's, so I'll just say good luck to everyone testing and sorry to everyone AF found.

I do want to say good luck to tealynn and Chris-n-Jen. I hope you both get good results from your doctors!

I'm home from work today with really bad neck pain- I went to the chiropracter this morning and got adjusted. I slept horrible last night- awake every couple of hours, I'm wondering if that is why my temp was so high. My chart looks crazy- not sure what its all about! I was noticing, though, ChicagoKate, that our charts are amazingly similar! Hopefully they will both end the same- with BFPs! :D

We did get some good news last week- DH's second SA came back normal. The only thing borderline was the count, which was 60 million- still normal, just on the low end of normal. So that was good, but it still doesn't answer the question of why we are still not pregnant after 10 months! I keep trying to remind myself of the statistics- I'm a big math geek- and realize that only 75-80% of women in their early 30's conceive within the first year. I just have to keep myself calm about it and stay positive.

So even though I'm not sure whether or not to believe it, FF has me at 7 DPO today. Threadmistres