Trade in you CDs for an ipod!

[Littlelamb11]

Or trade 2 CDs you don't want for one that you do want!!


we just got our 60GB Video ipod! shipped our CD's last week and got the free ipod today!!


http://www.millenniummusic.com/index.html

they also have a used CD store where every used CD is $5.


a tip: swap out your cracked jewel cases before you send them off otherwise you won't get credit for them. AND if you have some lame CDs like "Christmas in the Carribean" or "Bob Plays Bagpipes" they probably won't count toward the purchase either. a Rep will call you and let you know the status of your CDs after you ship them. if you're short because of some duds, you can either send them more CDs, pay the difference, switch ipod preferences, or just have them send all your CDs back and scrap the whole deal. :)

[linda_loo]

crap... makes me wish I hadn't thrown out all my jewel cases and booklets, when i moved my cds into a binder.

[princesse]

DOH. I'm the dork who started that phase. Sorry Lin. Or was that you? I tossed all my jewel cases to streamline my collection.... so I have no cases either. Ah well....................

[Txfish]

Ah HA! This is my reward for refusing to get rid of anything... I made dh store all the jewel cases in the attic in huge tubs when we moved to binders LOL

[Mrs. M.]

Ack. My DH has hundreds of CDs. Too bad we left all the jewel cases and booklets when we moved to Europe :rolleyes:

[greenbunny]

So do they ship back the ones they say don't count towards the iPod?

Becuase I sure wouldn't just let them keep them, what's to stop them from doing that all the time and getting a ton of stuff free?

[Littlelamb11]

they'll ship them back, you just have to pay for the shipping.

man, i'm so glad we never got rid of the jewel cases. contemplated it many times in the past several years, though.

[lawyerlee]

Wow! That's awesome. I want a video iPod *so* bad. Maybe this would be a good way to get one. :)

[KarenS]

Oh wow. What a great thing. I need to go home and count CDs. I know we have enough for at least the 30G.

Karen

[shopaholic]

I am confused. You send them your CD's and they send an Ipod. Now, do they load all the CDs onto the ipod for you?

I really don't see the point if you send them all your music and get an empty ipod.

[Littlelamb11]

I am confused. You send them your CD's and they send an Ipod.
yup! :)
Now, do they load all the CDs onto the ipod for you?

no. if you want to keep your music before trading them in so you can put them on your new ipod, then you have to dump everything you want to keep onto your computer before you send them out.

I really don't see the point if you send them all your music and get an empty ipod.

the point is, you get an ipod for no cost with the exception of the $ it costs to ship your CDs to them. so, i got a $400 video ipod for givng them 175 cds i wanted to get rid of adter ii had already dumped what i wanted off of them onto my computer. so not only did i get to keep my music, i got a $400 ipod for nothing but the cost of shipping all my CDs out to them which was like $20.

[KarenS]

no. if you want to keep your music before trading them in so you can put them on your new ipod, then you have to dump everything you want to keep onto your computer before you send them out.
[...]
so not only did i get to keep my music, i got a $400 ipod for nothing but the cost of shippingThat's copyright violation and illegal. If you sell the original CD, then you must remove all the music from any copies and from your computer. Otherwise you're breaking the law. It's theft, plain and simple.

karen

[Littlelamb11]

ACTUALLY it's NOT illegal thanks to the First Sale Doctrine in the US Copyright Act section 109.

[KarenS]

ACTUALLY it's NOT illegal thanks to the First Sale Doctrine in the US Copyright Act section 109.

Actually it is illegal. Sec 109 (of Chap 1) only allows you to resell items that you are the original owner of. It doesn't say you can copy them and then sell them.

Karen

[Littlelamb11]

yes, am i an the original owner of my CDs and i sold them legally. i paid tax on the ipod i recieved as currency to millenium music along with the shipping costs. and i legally copied them as i owned the cds and had the rights to the cds when i made them. having the mp3 is legal as long as i do not sell my mp3s, distribute them to friends or make them available on the internet to share an continue to use them for only my own personal use.

[KarenS]

No, I'm sorry, but you're not correct.

Yes, you are the legal owner of the CDs as long as you *own* them. Once you sell them, you are no longer the owner and therefore have no rights to the music on them.

What you paid to Millennium Music for the iPod has no bearing on your ownership of the CDs. You received the value of the iPod in exchange for your ownership of the CDs.

Once you sell the original, you give up all right to keep any copies as well. That's part of the whole essence of the copyright law - you cannot profit off of someone else's intellectual property. By trading the CDs for the iPod, you have traded the right to make copies as well.

It's very clear. Don't rely on my word. Ask a lawyer. They'll tell you the same thing.

You cannot make and keep copies of a product for which you do not own the original.

Karen

[lawyerlee]

I always enjoy a good copyright lecture.

[KarenS]

As a laywer, do you have any input on this, Diana?

Karen

[lawyerlee]

As a laywer, do you have any input on this, Diana?

Karen
I'd say you're probably correct in what you've shared about the legal issues. However, I do think there is a bit of a fuzziness brought to these considerations by the fact that if I buy I song off iTunes, I am allowed a certain number of uses (not plays, but to put it on a certain number of devices or discs). And one generally pays *less* for a song or album off iTunes than an actual CD. So I think there is (or may be) a grey area. However, I do have a problem with the downloading of music off illegal sites. If you're not paying anything for the music and the artist didn't put it out there, that's a big problem for me (and the law). :)

[Littlelamb11]

It's very clear. Don't rely on my word. Ask a lawyer. They'll tell you the same thing.

well, apparently it's not clear since the attorney at DH's coroprate communuctions company disagrees and feels that as the law stands now, it's legal since both copying a cd you own for personal use and selling said cd is legal. He explained to us that in purchasing the CD we agreed that we would not distribute the music. We have not. The law allows us to take the songs and put them on any other device that we own as long as we do not DISTRIBUTE the music. Just because we sell the physical CD does not mean we have given up our rights to listen to the songs on that CD that were copied legally on a playback device (computer, or Ipod).

[Shapsgrl]

I don't think that there is any case that speaks to the legality of this specific scenario yet. The RIAA just filed a motion to make ripping CDs to mp3 or other digital format a copyright violation .. but the fact of the matter is that it is not yet illegal, and in fact on the RIAA website it says

If you choose to take your own CDs and make copies for yourself on your computer or portable music player, that's great. It's your music and we want you to enjoy it at home, at work, in the car and on the jogging trail.

There is an interesting debate on this subject here link (http://forums.dealnews.com/read.php?8,2520386).

I tend to agree with the poster (as quoted from the link above) who says:

Purchasing cds and making electronic copies for yourself is perfectly legal. Not keeping the cds is the grey area.

With all of your blustering about the artist/producers receiving money for creating something of value. What does it matter if he purchased the cds, made copies and then sold them: the artist/producers received the money for the original purchase cd and that is all he will ever get out of that individual cd.

CD are one time income generators. Once an individual cd has been purchased the only intrinsic value left to the original artist is in the promotional realm. Hence no uproar from the riaa over the proliferation of used cd/dvd store.

[Cali_Katy]

I am confused. You send them your CD's and they send an Ipod. Now, do they load all the CDs onto the ipod for you?

I really don't see the point if you send them all your music and get an empty ipod.

Well, side-stepping the copyright issues, my DH and I have amassed plenty of CDs over the past 15 years which we'll never listen to again. I'm planning on weeding out my collection and sending them CDs I'm tired of. I have too many anyway, and I'd rather get an iPod than a ton of credits at a used CD store for turning them in.

[Kristeen]

Thanks for posting this!

[jmvan74]

This is so cool. I'm going to weed through my CD's right now!

[pocket]

how would anyone ever know whether you rip the cd or not and why would anyone care? i sell old cd's once a year and I rip cd's to my hd all the time and then make playlists. i keep one music library that is electronic and one that is physical. i bought those cd's and they are mine. how is it anyone else's business how i use that music assuming i don't distribute it to someone else for money?

[lawyerlee]

how would anyone ever know whether you rip the cd or not and why would anyone care? i sell old cd's once a year and I rip cd's to my hd all the time and then make playlists. i keep one music library that is electronic and one that is physical. i bought those cd's and they are mine. how is it anyone else's business how i use that music assuming i don't distribute it to someone else for money?
The overzealous RIAA wants to make it their business, would be my answer. They want the industry to run the way it always has, and instead of just accepting the fact that technology has lead to changes in how people use music, they insist on a very archaic way of viewing content - as tied to the media you originally purchased it on. But this way of thinking just doesn't work in the world of legal downloading. Those files aren't attached to *any* media (at least if purchased at iTunes). You can use it however you see fit, and on a number of different devices or more than one CD. They want us to just accept that the right to own the file is tied to continuing ownership of the disc. But it's quite clearly not that simple. And once the door was opened to a new way of thinking about the ownership of music, it is very difficult, if not impossible, to close the door on the freedom this gives us. They may be (and are) in the right on illegal downloading, but they are going to have to give on this issue because they are viewing it from the dark ages.

[pocket]

well i am not concerned about breaking this law even if a ruling were to go their way. sheer enforcement issues would render it moot.

[lawyerlee]

well i am not concerned about breaking this law even if a ruling were to go their way. sheer enforcement issues would render it moot.
I agree. Hopefully they won't get their way, though. I have very bad feelings about the RIAA. :(

[Lilygirl]

Has anyone else besides Littlelamb tried this? I'm digging through our CD tonight!

KarenS - Are you saying that if I dump a CD onto my computer, then put a song from that CD onto my iPod that if I later sell that CD that I must remove that song (and the entire CD for that matter) from my computer and iPod? Just looking for a clarification?

[KarenS]

KarenS - Are you saying that if I dump a CD onto my computer, then put a song from that CD onto my iPod that if I later sell that CD that I must remove that song (and the entire CD for that matter) from my computer and iPod? Just looking for a clarification?That is my understanding of the way the law works. If you own the original, you are allowed to make personal copies for listening. But you are not allowed to keep those copies once you dispose of the original.

Karen

[charliezangel]

That is my understanding of the way the law works. If you own the original, you are allowed to make personal copies for listening. But you are not allowed to keep those copies once you dispose of the original.

I understand the argument, and the law (if that is in fact the law). What I don't understand is where the artist, production managers, compnaies and so forth stand to make any kind of profit once the original CD has been sold. If I purchase a CD for $20 when it is released, and the hand the CD off to my friend, is that illegal? What if she plays the song on that same CD at a party where she is charging a cover fee? is she now making money off of the use of that song? And if i have copied all of my songs on a particular CD to a listening device, and then my CD is stolen, do I have to remove the songs from my listening device because the original is no longer in my possesion? Or is it only if you gain a profit from the original that it is illegal to keep the music? That is where it becomes "grey" to me. When do the legalities come into play (no pun intended)?

[lawyerlee]

I'm honestly not trying to be rude, but I think it is irresponsible to give people legal advice as though an area of law is settled when it is not. I know people wish there was a definitive answer as to these questions, but that isn't how law works. Furthermore, if you are taking the advice of a lay person, always remember to take it for what it's worth.

[Rose]

I so wish I had my cases. I have so many CD's to get rid of.

[Lilygirl]

Bumping up to ask again if anyone else has done this?

I spent the weekend digging though boxes and we have just over 180 CDs that we're thinking about sending in.

[Lilygirl]

I found this blog that discusses this company.
http://www.hiptechblog.com/2005/12/31/trade-in-your-old-cds-for-an-ipod/

DH & I will probably just hit up our local pawn shop & record store and use whatever cash we get from them to put towards an iPod...that will save us the shipping costs.

At least this got me to dig out the CDs that have been boxed up since July and do something will them!:o

[muguet27]

I thought I would reply to this to share what I did. After reading this thread I hemmed & hawwed for weeks trying to decide whether or not to do this. I searched google and read many postings like this trying to see how other people fared. I stumbled across a link for SecondSpin.com (http://www.secondspin.com/). You can enter the UPC off the back of your CDs and it tells you how much they will give you for that CD. It took me a whole evening, but I entered all my CDs and ended up sending 162 CDs to them and they're sending me a check for over $480. A lot of the CDs were worth only $0.25 or $0.50, but most were between $1 & $3, and some were upwards of $7 - $10. One box set of 4 CDs I had was worth $43! Now, when I get the check I can go the the Apple store or Amazon.com or whatever and get my iPod and still have money left over for accessories and music. :p :p :p

[Lilygirl]

Kristi - If you don't mind sharing, how much did it cost you to ship the 162 CDs?

[muguet27]

Kristi - If you don't mind sharing, how much did it cost you to ship the 162 CDs?

I sent my box through the USPS - Media Mail. The box weighted right around 40 lbs and with $500 insurance the total shipping cost was $20 and some odd cents. Without the insurance it was somewhere around $15. I didn't get tracking, though, so I don't know how much that is.

Media Mail is pretty slow - it was 12 business days between when I sent the box and when I heard from the company - but compared to things like UPS it was worth the wait (I think the quote I got from UPS was like $120). I was nervous that my CDs would be damaged because I didn't use any padding in the box (it was overstuffed to begin with), and I didn't put "Fragile" on it or anything, but it must have gotten there unscathed. Though they did take $0.50 away for each damaged jewel case (there were 34, which doesn't surprise me as I was notoriously bad at cracking them just trying to open them up).

[jimmysgirl424]

I thought I would reply to this to share what I did. After reading this thread I hemmed & hawwed for weeks trying to decide whether or not to do this. I searched google and read many postings like this trying to see how other people fared. I stumbled across a link for SecondSpin.com (http://www.secondspin.com/). You can enter the UPC off the back of your CDs and it tells you how much they will give you for that CD. It took me a whole evening, but I entered all my CDs and ended up sending 162 CDs to them and they're sending me a check for over $480. A lot of the CDs were worth only $0.25 or $0.50, but most were between $1 & $3, and some were upwards of $7 - $10. One box set of 4 CDs I had was worth $43! Now, when I get the check I can go the the Apple store or Amazon.com or whatever and get my iPod and still have money left over for accessories and music. :p :p :p


Do you have to the jewel cases and booklets for the cd's? I'm assuming the answer is yes, but I have a ton that I ended up sleeving when I was doing dj work for space and weight consideration.

[Lilygirl]

Do you have to the jewel cases and booklets for the cd's?
Yep, you need both or they'll get rejected. I sent mine in and waiting for my $400+ check. I only had 1 turned away and that's because I had written my initials w/ a Sharpie on the booklet so they sent it back.