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12700. jenjen0713 said in October 2nd, 2007

Just curious, in those months you were trying to get over the fact you were having a boy, were you not rejoicing in the fact you were having a HEALTHY baby?

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12701. Kat said in October 2nd, 2007

Well if you’re anything like my mom, your third will be a boy, but the 4th one - 7 years after you thought you were ‘done’ will be a girl. :D

DH and I have very polar gender preferences, and we’ve recently concluded that there will be no shettles or gender u/s for us. We figure we can’t really have too much resentment for the babe when he/she is delivered.

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12703. ladybug777 said in October 2nd, 2007

Wow. Since noone else has said this, I’m gonna be the first. As someone who struggled w/ infertility for 3 years, I’m offended by your post. I can understand having a “preference” for a certain gender, but to be crushed and devestated? Get over yourself. There are plenty of people who would kill just to be able to get pg.

I’m shocked and a bit pissed that CC would even allow this blog given how many CC members are dealing with or have dealt w/ IF. Unbelievable.

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12704. kris97 said in October 2nd, 2007

I think the issue is a really difficult one. While I too have always wanted a daughter, and can totally see myself being disappointed if I weren’t fortunate enough to have one, the longer we’ve tried (unsuccessfully) to have any child, boy or girl, the less important that’s become. As we approach our second year of trying, all the preferences I thought I had- a girl, a baby born a couple months from the December holidays, a pregnancy timed so I don’t have to be late term in the heat of summmer - all that’s gone out the window. Now, we would just like to have a healthy baby.

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12705. Sebski said in October 2nd, 2007

I wasn’t going to post a comment… but I just can’t help it because this blog has been bugging me all morning. I believe in freedom of speech, and yes, everyone is entitled to their emotions and all that… but, I find your approach toward blogging about this topic very insensitive. Especially given the number of women who frequent the message boards here looking for support in dealing with infertility, stillbirths, m/c’s and the like.

I really hope that your 2nd son never reads this blog.

Just my $.02

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12706. lml41981 said in October 2nd, 2007

So…was your second son healthy? Cause you don’t say that anywhere in your blog.

I guess it is hard for me to relate. I mean, I wanted a boy this time and we’re having a girl. I was bummed for a minute, but only because my instinct was completely wrong this time. And I didn’t get bummed until after I was thrilled that the baby was healthy.

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12707. sea74 said in October 2nd, 2007

You say you were “crushed. Devastated” and “cried” because the healthy baby you were carrying and that took 1 month to conceive was a boy.

Wow. That’s EXACTLY how I feel every month. But it’s not because I was lucky enough to conceive a second healthy baby. It’s because I can’t even conceive the first one.

And to say, “It was pure torture to go into stores and see mountains of cute girl clothes, only to find very few cute boys clothes.” Again, I can relate but I feel that way when I walk by a baby carriage, see pregnant ladies, go to baby showers, etc.

I understand that “gender disappointment” (shudder) happens, that with all things being equal, you’d prefer to have a girl over a boy, I truly get that. But the part that I just can’t wrap my head around is this: “For many weeks, I barely thought about the baby I was carrying. I thought about the next one. The one that would be a girl. I regretted getting pregnant so quickly, since I learned many more methods to influence gender than I knew about before.” It just really makes my head spin.

I guess it’s all a matter or perspective. If your greatest struggle is “gender disappointment” I suppose this is a pretty big issues. If you’re greatest struggle is conceiving in the first place, or keeping a pregnancy, or delivering a healthy child, or coming up with the $$$ for infertility treatments, or recovering from yet another failed cycle then gender doesn’t really matter.

Hope microsort works for you and your husband next time so that your third child’s gender isn’t a disappointment for you.

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12709. t3h_wookiee said in October 2nd, 2007

I will be honest right up front, this blog was extremely difficult for me to read. I used to have all sorts of preferences, like Kris97 posted, such as as boy first, then a girl, born in the spring of fall, etc. After struggling through 4 years of infertility however, I quickly realized that I would be happy with whatever I got, and all that I really wanted to make sure of was that my baby was healthy. Yeah a boy would be great, as I love having an older brother myself, but any baby would be best. I would feel blessed with whatever I am able to finally conceive.

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12710. dreshny said in October 2nd, 2007

You are brave for posting this. I can relate. As the older sister to three little brothers, I grew up always wanting a sister. Years later, when I found myself pregnant (and thought I’d be thrilled with either gender), I was surprised by how desperately I wanted a daughter. When the 20-week ultrasound revealed we were having a son, it took me a few months to process and to grieve what felt like a loss before I could begin to look forward to having my baby.

Now that we are thinking about having a second child, I am realizing there’s a very good chance (well, 50% anyway), that we’ll have another son. And I’m worried about how I will feel if that happens.

Of course we all want healthy children, but for one reason or another, some of us also have gender preferences, and whether or not we get the gender we want, these are legitimate feelings that we need to examine and face.

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12711. jenahdawn said in October 2nd, 2007

Exactly one year ago today, my husband and I went to the cemetary to watch the ashes of our twin daughters spread (born sleeping 9/27/06).

If the baby is healthy, THAT is what matters. I understand being disappointed, but, as someone else has posted, GET OVER IT! If you get to bring this one home, you are LUCKY!

I agree, I am all for free speach….which is why I feel perfectly comfortable stating my opinion right back!

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12714. Lydia said in October 2nd, 2007

I was sort of seeing your point of view when I started reading this. I know a couple of people who went through gender disappointment. They were ashamed of their feelings. As someone who really couldn’t relate, I offered my support and reassurance that (having read about it but certainly not being an expert of any kind) it is common.

I don’t know your style of writing or how you speak in every day life but it seems to me that “crushed” and “devastated” are a little harsh to describe getting the gender you did not want. In fact, I think I used those words when my husband’s mother died.

But I really got a sour taste in my mouth reading your last paragraph: “Still, if one thing has kept me going, and allowed me to accept this baby boy, it’s knowing we will have a third. And that one will be a girl. Next time, we’re not leaving it up to chance. Next time, we’ll use microsort, which has a 92% success rate in producing girls. And if that still nets us a boy, then I guess it just wasn’t meant to be.”

So to accept your baby boy you had to think about the possibility of getting something else (better, in your eyes)? Is he a consolation prize? Next time you post in a public forum you may do well to choose your words (and your choice of topic) wisely. And next time please consider your audience.

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12715. Rosebud said in October 2nd, 2007

I understand why this article makes some people emotional or angry, but I think the author experienced some legitimate and not uncommon emotions during her pregnancy and it’s not right for anyone to tell her she’s a terrible person for sharing those emotions. Many people experience some disappointment if they were particularly hoping for one gender and end up with another. It doesn’t mean that you won’t love your baby and it doesn’t mean that you aren’t grateful for a healthy baby.

A co-worker just went through gender selection for their second child as they were set on only having two children. They were hoping for a girl this time and are now expecting twin girls! After a moment of shock, they are thrilled.

Pregnancy and trying to get pregnant are very emotional and often difficult journeys and we all react to it differently. I thought this article was very interesting.

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12716. Wendalah said in October 2nd, 2007

Emschwar: Just wanted to say–when I found out I was pregnant, I had a very strong preference for a girl baby. I knew I should really just hope for a healthy baby, and I did (and do) of course. But I will admit I was a little more estatic than I should really have been when I found out that she was, indeed, a girl.

So, I understand. My main concern is that my baby is born healthy. But I’ll admit my selfish little greedy glee that she’s a girl. People can criticize me if they want…I’m just being honest. I’m bad, I guess.

FWIW, I was a Catholic mistake, typical “oops” baby. My parents already had two girls, so they REALLY wanted a boy. They even gave me a boy’s name while I was still in the womb, and called me that all nine months! When I came out a girl, they were pretty disappointed. But I assure you (and everyone else who is worried about your second son), I grew up just fine…felt loved and wanted. Even though I knew they had wanted a boy. I don’t know, it never bothered me much, simply because I was smart enough to rationalize “Well, mom and dad already had two girls, so OF COURSE they wanted a boy,” even from an early age. I also realized that well, heck, shit happens and I’m a girl, and they still love me!

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12717. erin16nj said in October 2nd, 2007

I understand alot of where you are coming from as I also always imagined myself a girl mom and I just had my second son (who I am thrilled and blessed is healthy and I know I am very lucky to be blessed with two children that I love beyond words) I will admit I had some disappointment when everyone convinced me that I was having a girl before the ultrasound and I was not but I was more prepared for that the second time around. My disappointment is more related to never having a daughter. I am not sure where we are at if we will have a third or not but after losing my mother this past year the yearning for a girl has only deepened. Its not something I voice alot unless with close friends and family becuase I know its a sensitive topic and it can unintentionally hurt others who are struggling.

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12718. Happy1 said in October 2nd, 2007

The only thing I have to say is that if you don’t want your child because they aren’t the gender you want, PLEASE send them my way. My DH and I are desperately waiting to adopt (after what’s been a very long and hard journey for healthy children to start our own family) and we would be happy to give your child a loving, caring home regardless of the gender they are. If you want more information, please email me. I’ll be happy to let you know the adoption agency we’re currently signed up with so we can get the process going.

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12719. sea74 said in October 2nd, 2007

“Many people experience some disappointment if they were particularly hoping for one gender and end up with another.”

Yes, disappointment I understand. It’s the “pure torture” and devastation that most of us can’t get past.

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12720. Lvella43 said in October 2nd, 2007

You should be embarrased and disgusted with your comments and thoughts. Seriously, did you write this thinking that you might stir up the pot?

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12721. lawyerlee said in October 2nd, 2007

God forbid someone should be honest in her thoughts and not just pretend her very first thought was to rejoice that her baby is healthy.

Does she honestly need to state that she was thrilled she’s having a healthy baby and was able to get pregnant relatively easily? Doesn’t that kinda go without saying?

This is obviously just my opinion, but it seems to me that if a woman is lucky enough to get pregnant and carry the baby to term, she’s not allowed to say another damned thing lest she be accused of being ungrateful and horribly insensitive. That’s ridiculous.

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12722. lml41981 said in October 2nd, 2007

My heart is breaking for people like teh_wookie and Happy1…people who have been trying soooo hard and for sooo long to get even one healthy child. Emschwar, I really think that your blog entry was incredibly insensitive and needlessly cruel.

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12723. kris97 said in October 2nd, 2007

Diana, respectfully, of course she’s allowed to express her opinion, but certainly others are equally allowed to voice discomfort or disagreement with the post.

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12724. Kelly said in October 2nd, 2007

Thank you for writing this and being honest about it. I also had some gender disappointment, on some level (although definately not as strong as yours).
I have 2 daughters and I’m glad that they’re both girls, so the disappointment is more a disappointment for my husband because I know how much he wants sons. Even though he is a great father to his two daughters.

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12725. TazLuv said in October 2nd, 2007

I wasn’t going to post a comment but I thought lawyerlee’s comment rang true.

I am one of the many women on this board that have dealt with infertility. No I haven’t had to do IVF or adoption but it did take us 18 months and three different doctors to finally get a diagnosis and a successful conception.

All pregnant women go through a range of emotions regardless of how they conceived their baby. Of course the first thing you think about is health but its also perfectly normal to have a gender preference. The author has a right to express her views, yes maybe the words crushed and devestated are a little strong but the disappointment is completely valid in my opinion.

I know infertility hurts really deep but we shouldn’t hold successful or “easy” conceptions against those women that have been blessed with them.

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12726. littelfredpunkinhead said in October 2nd, 2007

Am I the only one concerned about the use of something like Microsort? IMO, messing with gender ratio is likely to lead to a whole mess of problems. I’m sure it’s preferable to a society where babies are aborted because they’re the wrong gender, but in the end, you still come up with a skewed population- most likely with too many males to females.

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12727. Bellefior said in October 2nd, 2007

While I get that it is totally normal to have a preference for one gender over another, ask yourself this question. Which of these is more important: that your child be a specific gender or that your child be healthy, regardless of gender?

We are all entitled to our opinions, whether we agree or disagree. But ask the woman who has miscarried her child, whose IVF cycle has failed, or who has had a stillbirth if the sex of a child would matter to her.

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12728. jenjen0713 said in October 2nd, 2007

I totally agree everyone is entitled to their opinions, but I think the writer could have worded her blog ALOT better and still conveyed she was disappointed. I get it, gender disappointment happens. What I don’t get is gender DEVASTATION..being CRUSHED and not getting over it for MONTHS.

Also, the writer said, “I regretted getting pregnant so quickly.” Was this really necessary??? She is a mod on this board and should know how many women on this board belong to infertility threads or miscarriage threads or stillborn/early loss threads. Sorry, but in my opinion very tactless to write such a thing considering who your audience is.

So glad that retail therapy helped her get over her gender DEVASTATION. Nothing like a cute pair of overalls to help I guess. Because that’s what is important in life, right….having your kids in cute clothes. I think asking her if she was happy she had a healthy baby is reasonable considering she never mentioned it, but she sure did mention how shopping helped cure her problem.

Again, just curious, but is she going to write in her son’s baby book that on the day of the ultrasound she was devasted, crushed and cried?? What a warm, cozy, Kodak moment that would be when her son reads that.

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12729. mar5195 said in October 2nd, 2007

While you are allowed to feel the way you feel. You really should consider getting some help. If the thought of having a healthy baby boy is a unsatisfing event perhaps you shouldn’t have anymore children. I seriously question if you can take the disappointment.

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12730. msnicolea said in October 2nd, 2007

Wow. Your post is beyond offensive. I agree 100% with what ladybug and others have posted.

I feel very sad for your son and hope he never learns about your disappointment and “devastation.”

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12731. msnicolea said in October 2nd, 2007

And “gender disappointment” is different than saying you are “devastated.” Many people have a preference or would pick a certain gender of they had their say–but this is way beyond that.

I am so sorry for posters like happy1 and teh_wookie and the MANY other women here who have struggled with infertility and loss.

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12732. ldsangel19 said in October 2nd, 2007

Most of what I would have said has been said. I just think this topic could have been handled a lot better and been written diffrently to be much less hurtful to those of us who have suffered infertility and/or loss of a child.

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12734. lawgirl4 said in October 2nd, 2007

as the mother of one child - a daughter, which was what I “wanted” - I understand where you are coming from. I very much wanted a daughter and I know it would have been difficult to have had a boy. In fact, when my DH and I TTC for #2 next year, we are hoping that we will have another daughter. With that said, I do know that I would love a son as much as I love my daughter - but I don’t think there is anything wrong with “wanting” one sex over the other.

“devastation” is a strong word, but it’s one I would have used to have described how I felt after I “had” to have a c-section to deliver my daughter last year. when I wrote about this in my LJ, many of my LJ friends told me, point blank, that they thought I was overreacting and that I should be grateful that I had a healthy daughter who had been conceived on our first cycle TTC. What I learned from that posting & the many comments that ensued was that *everything is relative*!!

As “kris97″ said:

“As we approach our second year of trying, all the preferences I thought I had…all that’s gone out the window. Now, we would just like to have a healthy baby.”

That’s exactly my point. It’s all relative. Of course that’s how someone in her situation would feel. But for those of us who are lucky enough (and believe me, I can definitely understand how lucky I am) to conceive and carry to term easily, why should we be made out to be awful/insensitive/”focused on the wrong things” because our frame of reference is entirely different?

“Lawyerlee” - I couldn’t have said it better.

I’m also very impressed with “Tazluv’s” reply here - I will echo her sentiments, and say that everyone is entitled to their opinions and feelings, and “we shouldn’t hold successful or “easy” conceptions against those women that have been blessed with them.”

And *I* apologize if I have offended anyone - that is not my intention; I just post to express my opinions.

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12733. PG-Rated said in October 2nd, 2007

I think these feelings are normal for a lot of women, and I do have sympathy. But two things still bother me, several hours after I first read this blog entry:
1. The main thing that allowed you to accept this baby was the thought of another one with the “right” gender. That doesn’t sound to me like you’ve accepted your son at all.
2. You’ve posted some very strong language about your extreme disappointment over your child in a public forum. Your words will forever be available to friends, family, and even your son someday.

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12736. attybernie said in October 2nd, 2007

I wasn’t going to post, but after reading all of the other posts, I think I have the same sentiment as the majority, but from a different perspective. I am extremely fortunate not to have dealt with infertility or any other pregnancy complications and am blessed with two beautiful children and another on the way. That being said, my initial reaction to the post was utter disbelief. Not at the poster’s feelings of disappointment - that is completely normal. In fact I was secretly hoping for a boy first and was elated when he was born. The second time around I wanted a boy again (I think because my son was all I knew and I knew how much I loved him). I’ll admit, I was slightly “disappointed” when the doctor announced that my second child was a girl. That lasted about a second and I was over it. (In retrospect, I think it was more surprise than disappointment). Nevertheless, I never, for one mili-second, ever attempted to legitimize her gender with the thought of having another boy sometime in the future. Like littlefredpunkinhead said, I am most appalled at the poster’s decision to use Microsort for her next pregnancy! I will not go into the moral implications, but there are many! My point is, this post shocked more than just the the labeled “sensitive” population that suffer from infertility.

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12737. girlygirl_7 said in October 2nd, 2007

Wow. I am going to have to agree with most of the other ladies and say that I find your blog, well, just very strange. I understand that some parents hope for a particular sex. When I was pg with #1, I was convinced it was a girl. I had always dreamed of having a daughter and my first motherly feeling was that it was a girl. I was quite shocked and I guess a little disappointed to find that it was a boy. But, that went away in a matter of minutes. Either way, I was having a healthy baby. I fell in love with my son and watched the DVD of his ultasound about a thousand times.

I don’t understand how as a mother, knowing how wonderful a baby is, you can say that the only thing that got you through accepting another son was that you knew you would have a 3rd baby and that it would be a girl. How would your boys feel if they found this out when they are little older?

If people want to try positions or other natural ways to try to conceive a girl or boy, fine. I guess I find it as silly. But I really disagree with the actual science to do so. There are many people in the world who can’t have kids. And many who have kids who have cancer or other diseases. I thank God every day that I have 2 healthy kids and I think you should too instead of dreaming about your one day girl.

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12738. lauren f s said in October 2nd, 2007

I, too, find the idea of using Microsort disturbing for the reasons stated by littelfredpunkinhead. I also like to think that we’re all given the baby we’re supposed to have. When I was pregnant with my daughter I wanted a girl more than anything in the world and I was thrilled to learn I was having a girl. When I was pregnant last summer I wanted another girl. I always wanted a house full of girls. We had a boy. I always suspected it was a boy so this was not surprising to me. I can’t imagine if I had used something like Microsort to get the second girl I had originally wanted. If I had done that, I wouldn’t have been blessed with the most adorable, sweet, delicious little boy I have now.

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12739. PaulaR said in October 2nd, 2007

You have a right to post your feelings. Its not that you are insensitive to others but what you felt was real to YOU.

I feel your pain. I always KNEW I would have girls. The thought that I could produce a boy never crossed my mind. Alas, I have two sons and I’m afraid to try again because of the disappointment I felt when finding out I was having a boy. I love my boys but I still long for the little girl I will never have.

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12740. laura said in October 2nd, 2007

I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you did not think your post would create the shitstorm it has created. That said, I think we could ALL use a little perspective and consideration for “the other side”. I wouldn’t say I thought there were 2 distinct sides to this issue, but now I see it clearly. Everyone is entitled to her own opinion, but everyone else is entitled to that person sharing it with a little tact.

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12741. Femmie said in October 2nd, 2007

What is it about a girl that you so desperately want? The cute clothes? The pink? The future wedding to plan?

What if your third child is indeed a girl, yet she is a hard-core tomboy and wants nothing to do with “girly” clothes? Or doesn’t want to get married? Or wants to get married to a woman? Will you feel just as crushed as you do now?

I am honestly asking these questions, not trying to be snarky. I genuinely want to know, because I know a lot of people who prefer girls, including my ILs who never held back their very opinionated thoughts about wanting a granddaughter.

I always scratch my head at the gender bias thing. I guess I just see past gender and instead choose to focus on the *individual* personality.

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12742. geekgirl said in October 2nd, 2007

I am the fourth-generation firstborn girl to be born in October on my mother’s side - so if my DH and I *do* choose to have children someday, there’s more than a little bit of pressure to have a girl born in October. My mother is nigh unto obsessed with it** - we have yet to plan for a child, but my mom is ALREADY buying things for a granddaughter. I personally have no preference, but I keep teasing my mom and telling her that maybe if I have a boy, he will be gay, which would make him even better than a daughter! Or what would she do if I DID have a daughter, but she was such a complete tomboy that she wanted nothing to do with the frilly things my mother has obsessively socked away?

We’re all entitled to our opinions and preferences, and Lord knows the differences between us are what makes the world go ’round. But thank goodness that even if we CAN select our babies’ gender, we can never select their personality! That way at least *some* things are still left to chance.

**And just for some perspective, my mom had eight miscarriages before having me - her firstborn daughter born in October!!!

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12743. lawyerlee said in October 2nd, 2007

You’re absolutely right, Kris. My post was more just trying to say that I think there are a lot of assumptions being made that this blog author is ungrateful for her good fortune. In the best of circumstances, everyone could discuss this issue without personally attacking each other. Everyone should be free to share her opinions, even those that are highly unpopular.

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12744. gardenmommy said in October 2nd, 2007

I generally like to hang out in the “If you don’t have something nice to say, don’t say anything at all” camp, but found yself compelled to respond. I was just coming to post EXACTLY what Femmie wrote…What is it about either gender that has you so emotionally attached? Babies and people are individuals, not carbon copies of some “acceptable standard” that must be met. I can’t think of one thing that is a given with either gender.

I wonder if your child wasn’t “cute enough” or “smart enough” what sort of reaction will you have??

Most of all I hope you have expressed your true thoughts with your immediate family and friends so they can watch you during this emotional time and make sure your son recieves the love and care he deserves.

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12746. Ironhair said in October 2nd, 2007

I seriously thought I had just read an advertisement for microsort. I wasn’t offended, I didn’t rally to support the author, I was simply disapointed that I had just wasted those minutes reading an advertisement. I still feel that way…

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12749. Elle said in October 2nd, 2007

I am of the women on here experiencing infertility, having gone through 2 fresh IVF, 2 frozen IVF, and 1 IUI, all negative. I agree with many of the ladies above who feel your posting is inappropriate, and you should just be glad to have healthy babies after only trying for ONE month, but then I realized that it’s all about perspective. For example:

I would kill to have one healthy child, boy or girl. Not only that–I would love to just get pregnant once, but am experiencing implantation failure. Won’t one IVF work for me?

A colleague’s daughter got pregnant, but lost the baby in her 4th month. Like I said, I would love to just get pregnant like her, but she considers herself unlucky.

My friend has 1 boy and can’t have any more. I think she’s lucky to have one, but she is miserable because she wants another.

It’s all about perspective. I won’t beat you down, because it’s all been said, but I will let you have your opinion and feelings.

But, if you were a close friend complaining to me like this, I would tell you to keep your feelings to yourself.

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12750. jenzen01 said in October 2nd, 2007

Interesting comments.

I’ll say this:

1. I can’t understand the intensity of the author’s emotions.
2. I think it’s sad that she accepted her second son on the hope of having a girl the next time around.
3. However, we can admit that gender disappointment exists, although I think it’s usually more diluted in normal circumstances.

When I had my first baby, I was sort of hoping for a girl. When we found out at the ultrasound it was a boy, my first reaction was tears … of joy … because I was having a SON! Not a baby, a SON! My DH was crying, I was crying. It was a fabulous moment. Yeah, it took me a few weeks to get used to the idea because I had been visualizing pink things and dollies and whatnot. Those dreams were quickly replaced with visions of trucks and frogs stuffed in pockets and dirty fingers and hands.

With my second baby, it was just the reverse. I loved having a boy and I caught myself dreaming of two little boys chasing around the back yard. Imagine my surprise when we found out it was girl!

I think the root of this conversation is that as soon as we become pregnant or even think of becoming pregnant, we create a fantasy in our minds of what that baby will be like. And just like the rest of life, those dreams don’t always come true.

We have two choices: Embrace reality and love it or cling to our dreams and ignore the blessings we’ve been given. I’ll choose the former.

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12751. magrat said in October 2nd, 2007

I just wanted to say I think it’s a bit strange all the people saying you should be grateful you’re not infertile and to just get over it. How would infertile couples like to be told they should be grateful they are healthy in all other ways? Or that they’re even alive? It’s okay to mourn for a child you’ll never have. I can understand being afraid of not having a girl, I was very afraid of that and so happy when my first child was a girl. It’s not that I want a girly girl or anything, I just wanted to experience once the unique relationship mothers and daughters have from the other side. It’s a complicated and thought-provoking subject and it was interesting reading your post. Isn’t that what blogs are for?

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12752. krl626 said in October 2nd, 2007

I agree with a lot of what the previous poster just said. I too was hoping for a girl as was my DH. I think it’s normal to do this and obviously to all of us the most important thing is a healthy baby. I was surprisingly excited when we found out it was a boy but my DH still laments that he did not get his girl. That being said we both feel blessed to have a child in the first place. I don’t think the author feels differently.

While I understand people reacting negatively to the posters comments I think it’s really important to remember that our feelings are framed around our own experiences not someone elses. Those of us who have not experienced infertility really can’t imagine what that is like and so our minds and hearts don’t deal with that.

In life all our disapointments are different because all of our experiences are different. Someone from a poverty stricken country where people are dying from hunger might take offense to someone on here lamenting about their battle with infertility. It’s all relative.

I don’t think the author was trying to offend anyone although certain words might have been extreme. She’s just sharing her own feelings about her own experience.

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12753. Delta said in October 2nd, 2007

The biggest concern I have about this blog is that one day your son might find it. Don’t get me wrong, I have my days when I get frustrated with my kids and post about it on my LJ, but I am trying not to do it so much on the ‘public’ internet. I guess my point is that I don’t feel comfortable writing anything I wouldn’t want them to read also.

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12755. kk812 said in October 2nd, 2007

Most of what I was thinking has been said concerning the insensitivity of your post and the danger of MicroSort. I have to say I feel terribly sorry for your sons if you have a daughter. She is sure to be the obvious favorite.

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12758. tin roof rusted said in October 2nd, 2007

Yeah, you have a right to your feelings, absolutely. But this is ridiculous. I can’t believe you were devastated over having another (healthy) boy. Honestly, have you examined why you want a girl so badly? What is driving you to feel so crushed about being blessed with two boys?

I understand gender disappointment; when I learned #2 was a boy, I was a smidge disappointed that I wouldn’t be having one of each. That lasted about two minutes and I started to be incredibly grateful that I was going to be the mom to two boys, to brothers. And if we have a third, in all honesty I’d prefer another boy. I think boys totally rock.

How are you going to feel if #3 turns out to be a boy, despite your best efforts? Are you going to keep trying until you have a girl? At what point would you stop?

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12760. SiValleySteph said in October 2nd, 2007

I just want to reiterate what Femmie wrote. I think this could not be more true:

“What is it about a girl that you so desperately want? The cute clothes? The pink? The future wedding to plan?

What if your third child is indeed a girl, yet she is a hard-core tomboy and wants nothing to do with ‘girly’ clothes? Or doesn’t want to get married? Or wants to get married to a woman? Will you feel just as crushed as you do now?”

What a burden to place on a child! I hope for your next child’s sake that she fits whatever vision you have of having a daughter.

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12761. kamileer said in October 2nd, 2007

It is the last paragraph that really got me. I can understand the disappointment you initially felt. I think we all experience disappointment to some extent whether we are TTC or giving birth or raising children.

I know I wanted a spring baby, conceived naturally, and a vaginal birth. What I got was a baby due 4 days before Christmas, a daughter conceived through injectables and an IUI after a struggle with infertility, and c-section. Looking back, I cannot imagine it any other way. I have my child. She is my world.

As I read this entry, I kept thinking that there had to be a silver lining at the end of the story.

I expected the ending to go something like this…

But I know this disapointment will disappear the moment I see that little man’s face and realize that he was the perfect fit all along

or

I know the this diassapointment will fade when I see the joy and bond that having a brother will bring my older son.

or

Someday when all of my friends with girls are complaining about the teenage years with their daughters, I will have 2 sons who don’t hate me.

But instead my jaw was on the floor. The dissapointment will fade when you have another child?? I sat here and tried to figure out if this bothered me more as a woman who has suffered infertility or as a mother. Surely, it bothers me more as a mother.

I hope you find the peace that you are looking long before child #3 comes along.

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12762. Wendalah said in October 2nd, 2007

“I genuinely want to know, because I know a lot of people who prefer girls”

Well, since I said I had a preference for a girl, I’ll try to give my answer. It’s not the clothes or the wedding to plan or anything like that. I grew up in a mostly female family–I only have sisters–and I loved it. When my sister got PG, she had a girl (my only niece), and that was fun. I like female energy and feel comfortable with it. I am very close to my father, but I will admit I am much more open with my mom. And my sisters are my best friends.

If I’d found out I was having a boy, that would have been fine, I’m sure–but I think part of my happiness stems from the fact that I really enjoy the women in my life and how they’ve shaped me. Hope that helps.

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12764. DianeCourt said in October 2nd, 2007

I have two close friends that found out they were carrying babies with birth defects at their 18 - 20 week ultrasounds. One of those friends ended up having a stillborn daughter at 22 weeks. The other friend’s two year old son just underwent major kidney surgery in August in an attempt to correct his defect. I can tell you that the gender of the baby was the LAST thing on my friends’ minds during that u/s. And although I hope I’ll never experience that kind of hurt, I can tell you that your “devastation” over discovering that you’re carrying a healthy baby boy will never come close to theirs.

I think you should seek some professional help with your gender disappointment.

Be thankful you can get PG so easily.

Thank your lucky stars for your two healthy little boys.

Perhaps some of the 50+ comments to your blog will help you begin to put your misfortune in perspective.

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12765. Paular said in October 2nd, 2007

I posted earlier that I too wanted girls. I did want to buy something pink and frilly but it was much more than that. I have such a great relationship with my mom that I wanted a chance to have that mother-daughter relationship with my own daughter. I love my sons, they are my world! I wouldn’t trade them for anything. I’ve learned to accept the fact that I will not have a girl, and have that special mother-daughter bond.

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12768. sully130 said in October 2nd, 2007

I can honestly say I was absolutely “crushed” and “devastated” when I found out I was pregnant with a little girl who could not survive outside my womb. If you want to know what it truly feels like to feel “crushed” and “devastated,” I suggest you spend a moment in my shoes, or those of any others who have experienced true hardship on the road to parenting. And of course that’s not even to mention the sister I lost as a child.

The one thing I’ve learned through my journey is that many people just do not and will not get it. They don’t get that the 20-week ultrasound is not intended to find out your child’s gender, it’s intended to look and see if your child is healthy. But unless you’ve been there, you don’t get it. Since pregnancy has come easily to emschwar, in a way she’s lucky to be so blissfully ignorant to think that gender really matters.

I hope and pray that your next child is a girl so she won’t ever feel that she disappointed you by being anything else…and I hope more than anything that she is healthy and that you know that’s what really matters. Maybe you think it goes without saying, but the way you worded this blog could have been much more sensitive to those of us who really know hardship.

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12769. MLA said in October 2nd, 2007

When I read this blog this morning, I had a feeling it would stir things up quite a bit. I wonder, emschwar, if you’ve been in the family planning section of these boards and seen the sheer volume of women dealing w/infertility, miscarriage, and still births who are members here. If you have, and you still posted this blog, using words such as “devastated,” I can’t imagine that you’re surprised by the reaction you’ve gotten.

I actually understand your feelings. I’m pregnant and would like to have a girl, but after having recently suffered a miscarriage, I can tell you that that desire is much less strong than it once was. Now I make sure to imagine life as a mother to both a little boy and a little girl just to be sure I don’t feel disappointment if my baby turns out to be a boy. My biggest concern is that I hold on to this pregnancy and that a healthy baby’s actually born.

I think that your blog was really insensitive, knowing that your audience was going to be made up mostly of members of this community, many of whom have suffered losses or are dealing with infertility issues.

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12770. carrie9142 said in October 2nd, 2007

I don’t get this ganging up on someone to say “so and so is so much worse, be happy for what you have.” Yes, there are worse things that can happen besides having a son. But that doesn’t make her feelings invalid. I think it is completely unfair to make someone reframe their feelings based on your or someone else’s perspective. If I posted a blog about how lucky peope with IF were, b/c here is a problem that can be fixed-here is a problem with multiple solutions-here is a problem that affects you emotionally forever, but not physically…I would get my ass jumped. There *are* worse things than having a boy, but there are also things a hell of a lot worse than infertility. Just b/c someone hasn’t experienced life with that condition doesn’t mean her feelings are worthless, or that she should have to only post happy things. We could do this with every single post on the blog or CC. The knitting TV posts upset me b/c I can’t afford cable, or I could post in any of the home improvement threads “How can any of you complain when you have a roof over your head”?

I am not trying to minimize anyone’s feelings. I think you have a right to feel upset at this post, but do we really have to all say how horrible this post is and how can she not think of_____? It is always a good idea to think about how things will sound to people who have a different set of circumstances. But, you can’t expect someone to feel a certain way b/c of the situations of other people. It is SO unhelpful to say to someone who is in pain “Oh, but it could be so much worse!” Well sure it can. But it isn’t. It is this way, and she/you/me has a right to her feelings.

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12772. miel said in October 2nd, 2007

My oh, my. I wish I had more time to fashion a response but…There is devastated and there is DEVASTATED. I am experiencing some sad things now as I try to have a child but I think many of the things said to her here are so unfair–especially implying that she does not want or love her child! Come on, people.

She is talking about hopes and wants and wishes, not something deadly serious. Yes, it is so horrible not to have a child at all. That goes without saying but this does not mean we don’t create dreams about our children that can be hard to give up. (Infertility makes us less likely to do this–I would never do this…but I can see how someone would.) She dreams of a daughter. What a beautiful dream! She was dreaming of something beautiful. Now she is getting something else. She adjusts and then continues to dream of a daughter in the future. A DAUGHTER IS SO WONDERFUL. There is simply something magical about having a daughter. If I say this, do I say that it is not good to have a son or one doesn’t want a son? That’s absurd. I truly desperately want any healthy child. I would not be devastated the way she describes it but she is admitting she got a little caught up in her fantasy. Some of our emotions about children are hard to justify– none of us have to justify our desire to have children at all or our desire to have children with our own genetic makeup. On some level, we do want a certain kind of child and we act on the basis of that desire and yes, gender may seem foolish or frivolous but she wants a daughter and I simply can’t see what is so terrible that she wants this tremendously and is disappointed when she does not get it. If someone had all daughters and wanted a son and kept having kids until she got a son I would feel very presumptuous in judging that person. So many people do this. It doesn’t seem the least bit wrong.

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12777. portlandbride said in October 2nd, 2007

I just wanted to post and say I agree with both carrie9142 and miel. What they wrote was more eloquent than what I could have said. Sorry for your disappointment.

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12778. Delta said in October 2nd, 2007

I agree with miel, too.

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12792. suzfuzsunflower said in October 3rd, 2007

I have been through infertility, and so I can understand the emotions of the posters who have or are going through infertility and why they may feel hurt or upset by the post. After 16/17 cycles of disappointment, and horrible meds being pumped through my body towards the end, I was just so happy to be pregnant. As the 20 week ultrasound approached, sure I wondered about the gender, but I just wanted my baby to be healthy. The ultrasound showed a possible problem, and we were sent for a “Level 2″ ultrasound. That also showed the problem. It wasn’t until much later in my pregnancy that the problem corrected itself. Oh, and I guess I should mention that at the 20 week ultrasound we found out we were having a boy.
It’s all a matter of perspective. I can totally understand how someone who hasn’t had to deal with infertility or the loss of a child would focus more on the gender. From the moment they conceive, they start to have dreams for their baby. And those dreams involve gender. For me and many others like me, finding out that you’re expecting brings joy but also worry - you know the risks of losing a child, of something being wrong, etc. Gender wasn’t a focus for me, and it wasn’t until I knew that he was healthy that my dreams for him started to involve his gender. Before that, it was just dreams of him being healthy.
My MIL REALLY wanted a daughter. She has two sons. Both of them know that she wished they were boys, b/c she reminds them of it quite often. It has caused problems of them feeling not wanted, especially in my BIL. I hope that your next child is a female so that your sons will not have to bear this weight.

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12795. Mellow_Water1 said in October 3rd, 2007

I don’t agree that the majority of posters are playing the “whose pain is worse” game or calling emschwar’s feelings invalid. In fact, many posters here empathize with her desire to have a girl. This blog, however, is completely removed from empathy for those who are struggling to conceive or are dealing with the loss of a baby. That’s emschwar’s perogative. But I think people are justified in calling it inconsiderate (to say the least) to the audience. This blog is not a diary entry, it is addressed specifically to an audience of women. What is the purpose of writing for an audience if one is going to not consider the position?

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12799. jnettie said in October 3rd, 2007

Just adding my 2 cents about Microsort…I’d look carefully at how they derive their “92% success rate”. From what I know from DH who was an Embryologist, the likelyhood of you having the gender you want only increases a tiny tiny bit. He considers the procedure a total waste of time and money. Second, imagine the disappointment you will have if you do spend all that money and you STILL have a son. How will you react to that?

I do get the desire for a specific gender, though. I too hope for a girl, and only girls, but more because it will piss off my MIL if we only have girls. I will still love to have a boy.

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12800. maniach said in October 3rd, 2007

Femmie said and someone seconded: “What is it about a girl that you so desperately want? The cute clothes? The pink? The future wedding to plan?

What if your third child is indeed a girl, yet she is a hard-core tomboy and wants nothing to do with “girly” clothes? Or doesn’t want to get married? Or wants to get married to a woman? Will you feel just as crushed as you do now?”

My two cents on that issue is something that my mom always said and I have always seen as true (being a girl and having one brother). My mom always said “Girls come home and boys don’t,” meaning that when the son gets married he goes to his in-laws for holidays, when he’s in college, he goes to his friend’s houses for holidays. The daughter comes home and brings her friends or husband. It’s always been true in my family, and that’s what led my desire to have a girl. I wanted her first because I didn’t want her to experience “torture” (read: not REAL torture, just perceived, I’m young and my brother’s picking on me torture — I feel I have to explain because obviously everyone on here is extremely LITERAL) at the hands of an older brother. I was lucky, I got my wish and I absolutely love her to no end. But, that’s not to say I wouldn’t have loved a son any less…

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12804. miel said in October 3rd, 2007

suzfuzsunflower

Wow, it sounds like the problem turned out OK and the problem resolved. I so hope this is true. What a scary moment that must have been. Yes, if all the ultrasound tells us is that we are having a boy/girl then that is some serious luck. We can only pray that gender will be the thing we think about. And you are so right about perspective–once having a healthy baby becomes a chancey thing, perspective totally changes. I hope your son is well and health now.

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12806. Mommyof1 said in October 3rd, 2007

I wasn’t going to post but it is bugging me too much not to. I understand when people prefer one gender or another, which is probably natural, but this seemed to have taken it too far. This comment made me so sad for your second son:

“For many weeks, I barely thought about the baby I was carrying. I thought about the next one. The one that would be a girl. I regretted getting pregnant so quickly, since I learned many more methods to influence gender than I knew about before.”

As someone else said, I hope he never reads this blog…

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12807. jennylou said in October 3rd, 2007

I understand wanting a certain sex.

I really want a girl next go around. I love the relationship that I have with my sister and I’d like DD to have that same relationship. That said, I also really want another boy. I’m already a mother to a boy, but I don’t get the joy of raising him, so I want to experience that too.

DH thinks he wants to be done after the next one. But, he’d like another boy too. So, I ration in my mind that he’d be willing to try for one more if the next were a girl so that we could try for another boy.

Would I be devastated if it didn’t work out? No, I’d be thrilled to have a healthy baby, no matter the sex. But, do I want another boy? Yes, because I feel cheated of the experience of raising a boy. So, I don’t know, I guess it is a matter of perspective.

Despite having suffered a loss, I can tell you that I wasn’t offended my Emschwar’s post. Perhaps I’m used to people IRL and I’ve sort have gotten used to just taking what they have to say and moving on, I don’t know. But, I understand her desire for a certain sex. Would I have used the words she used? Not now, since I’ve been on the other side of the fence.

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12810. villanelle75 said in October 3rd, 2007

Isn’t criticizing the writer for strongly preferring a girl, rather than just focusing on a having healthy baby in her family, a lot like criticizing someone for strongly preferring a biological child, rather than pursuing an adoption which could bring them a healthy baby?

I know adoption isn’t cheap, or easy, or a sure thing. But let’s be realistic. Many people’s primary reason for going the IF treatment route isn’t exclusively because adoption can be difficult; it’s because they want a bio baby. They have a certain dream for their family, and that dream included a biological baby. That doesn’t mean that if they ever find themselves adopting we should worry about the safety of their baby or suggest that the parents need to be watched to make sure they are properly caring for the baby that is different from the baby in their dreams. No one on these boards would dare to apply the same arguments in many of these responses to bio baby vs. adopted baby, and yet one gender vs. another is fair game, even though the two are similar in many ways. You envision one thing, and hope for it. And when it doesn’t happen, you feel some sadness, but you can still love what you ended up with, even if your dream of something else lives on.

Sure, the piece would have been worded a bit more tactfully and some of the language seemed a bit dramatic (I suspect in part because this was an entertainment piece). But life is full of dreams, and it is also full of realities that differ from those dreams. You often want one thing and end up with another. That doesn’t mean you can’t appreciate what you do have, or that you don’t deserve it, or that you aren’t happy with where you end up.

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12812. jenahdawn said in October 3rd, 2007

With a few adjustments, what jennylou said.

I know my biggest problem with this particular blog is the use of the word devestation. But, as she doesn’t know (and hopefully never will) it just takes a different perspective.

If we decide to try and get pregnant a third time, I’d like a “free pass” (yeah, well….I can dream, too) and I just want to bring that one home, too….

At our 20 week US, because of what I have learned in our bereaved parents support group, I cried, not at learning her gender, which could still be wrong, but at seeing kidneys and that they looked great. (one woman in our group has now lost 3 daughters due to the fact their kidneys were not developing….THAT I consider devestating.)

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12816. Mystikal said in October 3rd, 2007

[i]“devastation” is a strong word, but it’s one I would have used to have described how I felt after I “had” to have a c-section to deliver my daughter last year. when I wrote about this in my LJ, many of my LJ friends told me, point blank, that they thought I was overreacting and that I should be grateful that I had a healthy daughter who had been conceived on our first cycle TTC.[/i]
I, too, felt devastated after my c-section with my daughter last year, and many people told me that I should be grateful that I had a healthy baby, and I was/am. However, while a healthy baby is the MOST important thing it is not the ONLY thing.

I can understand disappointment when you find out the child you are carrying is not what you were hoping for - there are no boys in my family and everyone wanted a grandson. I wanted to be the one to give them a grandson, so when I found out my baby was a girl at my u/s I was a bit disappointed, but I got over it quickly. That being said, I cannot fathom carrying a child and going for weeks without a thought to the child that I could feel kicking within me.

I am all for free speech, but I also believe that other peoples feelings should be taken into account when you exercise your right to free speech. There are better ways to describe your feelings…

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12817. msnicolea said in October 3rd, 2007

I don’t think anyone reacted strongly to the idea of gender preference–in fact, I suspect most people do have a preference even if they don’t articulate it. What was reacted to were words like “devastation” and the implication that she is “settling” for a boy. Everyone’s grief is relative and people have the right to feel any way they feel-of course! I was disappointed that I had a c-section, was incredibly sad that I couldn’t BF past 2 months–and on and on and on. But language and PERSPECTIVE matter, especially on a public forum.

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12819. laura said in October 3rd, 2007

“If I posted a blog about how lucky peope with IF were, b/c here is a problem that can be fixed-here is a problem with multiple solutions-here is a problem that affects you emotionally forever, but not physically…I would get my ass jumped.”

This is pretty off topic, but I just can’t not respond to this. In the least bitchy tone I can find - I think the greatest problem with IF is the unknown. IF is not a problem that can be fixed for everyone; for a lot of people there are not ‘multiple solutions’, there isn’t even 1 solution. I could accept knowing if I did X amount of tests/procedures and spent X amount of money, I would definitely have a child. I could even learn to accept the finality of absolutely being able to never have a child (though obviously that would be difficult). But this - this is something completely different. I don’t agree with the (as someone else called it) “pain olympics” going on in the responses here, and I actually agree the OP is entitled to her feelings, but she knows her audience. To me this is the kind of thing you post in your journal, not on a public blog. Unless you have really thick skin.

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12821. Kim said in October 3rd, 2007

I really get villanelle75’s point. I have often read that people are “devestated” when they can’t have children biologically and if it were written here that she eventually adopted, I can’t imagine the level of backlash as it was for this piece. I can’t imagine anyone saying “Well at least you have a healthy baby!” I would imagine devestation can depend on life experience. It could go two ways. No life experience with disappointment? I can imagine one being devestated. Earlier trauma can build up one’s immunity, so to speak, or it could make every life event seem traumatic. I don’t know if this poster falls into either category.
To me it’s like posting about your new beautiful home and being devestated when the design isn’t as you wished for all your life. Maybe you wanted a porch and you didn’t get one. Yes, you appreciate the beauty. Yes, you appreciate everything you have. But you still can be devestated. When you share it, would the backlash be “Look at all the people without homes from the hurricane! Appreciate what you’ve got!” Well yes. But when you plan for one thing for your entire life and it ends up not being that, it could be devestating. As devestating as those who are still without homes? Not even in the same league obviously. And if the poster had said “It was as devestating as if I miscarried”, I could see the issue. But unless I’m blind, I didn’t see that.

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12822. magrat said in October 3rd, 2007

““If I posted a blog about how lucky peope with IF were, b/c here is a problem that can be fixed-here is a problem with multiple solutions-here is a problem that affects you emotionally forever, but not physically…I would get my ass jumped.”

“This is pretty off topic, but I just can’t not respond to this.”

Wow, point proven :) Impressive, especially considering she only said “if I said this” and didn’t say she actually believed that was true.

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12823. laura said in October 3rd, 2007

I thought my post was pretty respectful regarding her complete misinformation; regardless of whether she believes it or not, putting it out there is still the potential furthering misinformation. But thanks for your sarcastic 2 cents! It was totally helpful and productive!

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12833. carrie9142 said in October 3rd, 2007

Ok, since we are talking about me… ; )

As magrat said, I didn’t post “I believe the following things about IF.” It isn’t misinformation. There are SEVERAL procedures, and several possible ways to have a child. They may be expensive, painful, hard, horrible, etc but there are ways to have a child, even with infertility. I have several medical problems that make having a bio child increasingly unlikely for me. Not trying to win gold in pain olympics, but I have lived my life with *physical* pain for the last 3 years, and at this point I have virtually no hope for a life without pain. And that sucks. I want a kid, but I can’t get off of painkillers and stress my body that far. So, in my darkest darkest hour, I *can* see IF as waaay better than what I have. There are options for women with infertility-maybe less than ideal options, but still several. And while there will be lasting emotional repercussions, if you eventually have a healthy child than that is still a success. I don’t have options. But, I get that that is my experience and that that line of thinking isn’t 1) charitable or 2) rational. It is the thought process of someone who is suffering. But, I also don’t expect soemone to modify their thinking or posting to accomodate me. It is very easy to see your situation as ‘worse’ as someone else’s. Your pain is more known to you and therefor ‘wins’.

But, magrat is right. I posted something somewhat inflammatory, and it bothered someone. I think perspective is a wonderful thing, but telling a person in pain “oh, be thankful for what you have. It could be so much worse.” is pretty cruel. Someone is always going to be worse off than you. I am sure there is at least one person who sincerely thinks IF is a luxury compared to what she has. I have seen MANY things posted under the heading of devestation that I honestly find laughable. But you know, if that is the worst thing going on in that person’s life, so be it. I will personally think she should thank her lucky stars, but I am not likely to call her out.

And again, so it can’t be misconstrued-I have sympathy for anyone struggling with IF. I wouldn’t wish it on anyone. I am simply showing you my thought process when I am at my absolute rock bottom. But, b/c I haven’t experienced it, there is no way for me to say I feel ‘worse’ than anyone else. I know many women would happily trade their IF for my phsyical pain if it allowed them to have a child. I would happily give up my reproductive future for a pain free life. The grass is always greener, and your problems can always seem worse. Some problems are worse than others. Do I think that having a boy is necessarily ‘devestating’? Not really, but I can recognize that for this person it was and she has a right to feel that way.

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12838. lawgirl4 said in October 3rd, 2007

“The grass is always greener, and your problems can always seem worse. Some problems are worse than others. Do I think that having a boy is necessarily ‘devestating’? Not really, but I can recognize that for this person it was and she has a right to feel that way.”

Carrie, wow. well said. I totally agree with your sentiments.

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12841. Mellow_Water1 said in October 3rd, 2007

I don’t understand why so many people are reiterating that “she has a right to feel this way.” Of course she does. I don’t understand why people say not to discount the relevance of her pain. I don’t believe that is the issue here. Analogies that compare her disappointment to any other life disappointment fall short, in my opinion. She has not expressed devastation over a material object; she has not expressed devastation of a void in her life. She has expressed devastation upon the news of her CHILD, who happens to be her son. Perhaps such emotion does indicate devastation over a void, the void of a daughter, which is understandable. What is not understandable to me, and I suspect to many, is that “the one thing” that keeps her going, the one thing that allows her “cope” with her son is her sure-fire belief (with the aid of scientific manipulation) that her next child will be a girl. Such reasoning makes me shudder.

However, after much consideration of the debate, I am going to give Emschwar the benefit of the doubt by believing that underneath the surface of the harsh tones, she is trying to convey her devastation of not having a daughter, not necessarily the devastation of the conception of her son, though her blog poorly conveys it.

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12859. lml41981 said in October 4th, 2007

I don’t have a problem with her feeling devastation over having a son. Feel it all you want…feelings are feelings and you can’t control how you feel. But you damn well can choose not to express those feelings when it is possible those feelings will hurt someone else. Sure, there are the people who would pay any amount of money to experience the grave misfortune emshwar has experienced in *having a healthy child,* but more importantly, there’s that child. That child who didn’t matter to his mother for several weeks. The child who, by no fault of his own, was born with the wrong genitalia. The child whose very existence is regretted - as stated by the mother, herself when she said she regretted getting pregnant so quickly because she learned more reliable techniques. When “the only way” you can get through the devastation of having a son is to forget about him in favor of looking toward your future child - the one who will make it all right, so to speak - I gotta wonder. I wonder about how much you love that child. I wonder about the pressure placed on the third child. I wonder what will happen when that third child is a boy, despite the best efforts. I wonder what happens if she can’t have a third child for one reason or another and this second unwanted boy has nobody to redeem the mistake he made by growing a penis. And, yeah, I’m kind of curious what emschwar’s response to everyone’s reaction is. How does one say something like this without regard to the feelings of those who will read it and then not acknowledge anything they’ve said?

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12869. Wendalah said in October 4th, 2007

Oh, geez, not to make light of this–but seriously–I am sure Emschwar is fine with her phenomenon of her second son by now, and I am willing to bet the kid will not be scarred for life.

I already posted that my parents wanted a boy and were totally disappointed that they didn’t get one. I should add that I came 8 years after my middle sister, and my mom was none too pleased at even HAVING another kid. Let’s just call a spade a spade: I was a mistake and an inconvenience. I know all this perfectly well. My parents have even admitted it to me flat-out. And I promise: I am completely secure that they got over all that and they love me and can’t imagine me not being here.

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12870. Kim said in October 4th, 2007

“And, yeah, I’m kind of curious what emschwar’s response to everyone’s reaction is. How does one say something like this without regard to the feelings of those who will read it and then not acknowledge anything they’ve said?”

Please. This is a classic case of someone assuming intentions without actually knowing them. Maybe she works and doesn’t have time to weed through the 60+ comments (who does?). Maybe she’s out of town. There isn’t a rule or an expectation of someone sticking around to read comments to the one post they’ve written to the blog, is there? If there is, this would explain the amount of good bloggers who’ve stopped blogging. And honestly, from the amount of hateful comments in response (from only a few members), I wouldn’t blame the poster one bit for ignoring it.

And this again is why I hate these types of topics in the blog because it is much better to be conversational in a thread.

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12876. Jesvet said in October 4th, 2007

To answer your question lml, Em wrote this a while ago. She’s really busy with her new baby and I don’t think she even knew the post went live until late yesterday. Since she hasn’t been on for a while I don’t know when/if she will come back to respond- but I wouldn’t take her not responding as a statement about anything or read anything into it other than she’s just really busy and not around CC that much at the moment.

I’d write more, but I’m too busy working on my blog for next week called “I loved my dog until I had a kid, anyone want a free Golden?” ;)

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12883. Pocahontas said in October 4th, 2007

Wow…all I have to say is “Karma is a bitch”. And I hope this post doesn’t come back to bite her in the butt one day…like when she goes to “try” for baby #3 only to find out she can’t have anymore kids for whatever reason or worse, find out that indeed Microsort is a bunch of crap and she is carrying yet another boy.

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12888. ktdelsur said in October 4th, 2007

Just FYI. I know she’s around because she’s been responding to my posts in the Toddler section.

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12894. Ginadc said in October 4th, 2007

In one way, I get where Em’s coming from. I have always wanted a daughter too. My mom and I had a great relationship growing up, and I always wanted that mother-daughter relationship from the other side. I was thrilled when our first child (adopted) was a girl, and still am.

When we got overwhelmingly lucky, despite my age and medical history, and actually got pregnant, I have to confess to a momentary twinge on finding out that #2 was a boy–because I just love raising this girl so much and I’d love for her to have a sister. But since the news came with the results of a CVS test that told us all his chromosomes were normal after an elevated risk finding in the first-trimester screen, that twinge didn’t last very long! Now I’m just thrilled that he’s healthy and can’t wait to meet him.

I know a lot of people found the word “devastated” insensitive, and I can see that. But that wasn’t my big problem with the post. My big concern was with the end; as some people have said, the way the blog concludes makes it sound as if the only reason Em has accepted this boy, the only thing making it okay, is because she can try again for a girl afterward. I really hope that it’s just a quirk of the writing and not what she intended, because the thought of a pregnancy and new baby as something to be endured in order to get to the baby you really want is very sad to me.

On the issue of pain one-upmanship: I’m of two minds here. On the one hand, it always used to frustrate the hell out of me when my father would “trump” any pain I went through as a child/teenager with a reference to his polio and walking with a brace. It was like I could never be upset or hurt about anything because it wasn’t as bad as that. And when I had breast cancer, I really tried not to do that–because there are always degrees. Someone’s always got it worse than you. It sucked that I got BC at 37, but I knew women who got it at 27. I knew a woman who got BC at 28 and died before the age of 30, while I was successfully treated and now get to be a mommy, twice. I knew (as did many of us) a wonderful woman taken away far too soon by ovarian cancer, who went through treatment around the same time I did. So it sucked to have what I had, but it could have sucked worse.

So I don’t want to tell someone that “my pain is worse than yours.” But on the other hand, I also do think sensitivity is called for. There are a lot of people on this board who have lost children or who struggle to get pregnant even once, and I don’t think anyone would say that the pain of not getting the child “of your dreams” is remotely the same as not getting to bring your child home at all. So while it may be fruitless to compare degrees of pain, it may be worthwhile to at least stop and think about the way you’re putting things and imagine who your readers are–both the women on this board now, and potentially someday, your own child.

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12918. msnicolea said in October 5th, 2007

Beautifully said, Ginadc.

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12944. miel said in October 5th, 2007

Ginadc: I truly like what you said and I’m so sorry you got bc at 37. That is very hard whether or not someone got it at 27 or not. I hope you are doing OK now.

“Someone’s always got it worse than you.”

This is so true. I’ve seen that pain one-upmanship (love that phrase!) and I so know what you are talking about. I have a policy about this and this is: Sympathize with what the person is going through subjectively. Or try to. Don’t try to measure or evaluate whether they are ‘entitled’ to their pain. A little kid will flip out over something trivial. College students I know will complain to me because of something so silly and honestly I could be going through hell at that moment and I really try to stop and just feel for them. I can actually recommend this policy for the way it benefits me–it’s very freeing to just try and be compassionate and know that life is hard and try not to begrudge people their struggles. It just makes my life easier not to judge people too much for the fact they are stymied by something I think is trivial or should be easy. For me, anyway. It takes absolutely nothing to do this. Actually, I think it is easier.

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12967. hotmama said in October 6th, 2007

am here to offer some hope to emschwar. i will begin by saying my feelings were NOT as strong as yours, but i can understand how someone ‘could’ feel that strongly.

i have ALWAYS wanted a little boy. actually, i feel as if i am destined to have a house full of boys, no matter how hard i wish/try for a girl. i was thrilled when, upon delivering my first baby, i heard those 3 words…”it’s a boy!”. we decided not to find out the gender which made for a lot of excitement in the delivery room.

when we found out we were expecting baby #2, i started dreaming of this one being a girl. i also thought it was a girl b/c i had a very different pregnancy this time. i felt sick, carried differently, was very tired. it was all around different from my 1st. we decided to find out the baby’s gender the 2nd time around. at 20 weeks, i was shocked to find out i was having another boy. for a few days i was down in the dumps about it. i think it was mainly the shock b/c i was so certain i was feeling ‘girl’.

soooo, fast forward to the present…and why i am posting this for you…i would NOT give up my 2 boys for anything. yes, a little girl would have been fun, but seeing these 2 boys grow up together has given me so much joy. just wait until your