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11596. chefker said in September 5th, 2007

“I have to wonder at the high percentage in the US of mothers who believe or are led to believe that they “can’t” breastfeed. ”

Unfortunately I was one of those who could not breastfeed, despite all my best efforts. And it wasn’t a question of “belief”, it was pure medical fact: I had next to nothing for a supply. Every time I attempted to breastfeed my preemie baby, I was, in effect, starving him. Had I not supplemented with formula, my baby would have died. At that point, I didn’t care about the ’stigma’ of formula feeding, although naturally I blamed myself for everything going wrong.

The possible culprit for my non-existent milk supply was most likely all the IV meds I was fed during my labor (I had pre-eclampsia and other complications that led to an emergency C-section). Despite constant pumping and visitations with a lactation consultant, the most I could get was a DROP a day. Certainly not enough to sustain a preemie infant.

So while I’m hopeful that maybe this won’t happen if I have another child, I can’t help but feel like a failure - even today, and my son is going on two years old!

Hopefully I will someday get the chance to feel that special bond that breastfeeding creates between a mother and child. For now, I can’t help but be envious of those for whom breastfeeding seemed as easy as pie.

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11598. newyorkgirl said in September 5th, 2007

The PP poses a very interesting issue. Medical intervention rates at birth in this country are far higher than other industrialized nations. European countries such as Sweden have very low C-section and intervention rates. This high intervention rate adds many barriers to getting women to breastfeed - both psychologically and physically. I was very fortunate in that I had as good a birth as could be expected, and I breastfed my son for 15 months. But it was not without its many difficulties. I was on several antibiotics during my pregnancy because the doctors deduced that some infections were causing my preterm labor. This led to many yeast infections and several bouts of mastitis while I was breastfeeding. While I did enjoy the bond between my son and me, and while I understood all the benefits I was giving my son, I was so relieved and happy when we weaned.
One of my very close friends had an emergency C-section, which caused her severe PPD and the anxiety over breastfeeding was too much for her. She switched to formula feeding and began treatment for PPD and was able to function much better as a mother. My mother nearly hemorrhaged to death when she gave birth to me and they pumped her up with so many antibiotics that she too was unable to breastfeed. Many of the medical interventions we do here in the US are necessary, but I believe they are factors that contribute to our lower breastfeeding rate.
I think much of the divide that comes between breastfeeding and formula-feeding parents comes from a desire to justify one’s own decisions as the best for one’s child. Even though I breastfed, I can definitely understand how many formula-feeding mothers can find the “breastfeeding is best” message a little heavy-handed.

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11603. miel said in September 5th, 2007

Chefker–

I’m so sorry. I hope all the info about breastfeeding is not what made you feel bad like that.

It’s so hard to encourage people to bf and not at the same time stigmatize people who don’t. But there needs to be a way to do this.

I think part of the reason for what people call the ‘lactivists’ is that there is a stigma associated with breastfeeding that is hard to overcome. It can be emotionally very hard to open your shirt and see those disapproving or worse! prurient eyes. So it needs to be said again and again that this is what a baby NEEDS. This is BEST. And it is. But formula is also such a blessed thing. This is why some babies stay alive when their moms cannot breastfeed!!! We are lucky to have formula for those situations (since we no longer have wet nurses) and however a mom nourishes her child shows love and care.

I just want to mention that when I first heard about the rigors of breastfeeding when pregnant I was HORRIFIED. But I become a very devoted breastfeeder and it was very hard to ween my daughter when she turned two. Also, I admit I did it for the social pressure. Because of it. Everyone pressured me to ween and if breastfeeding a baby in public is hard, breastfeeding a toddler was just too much for me.

But anyway, for some of us, it might not sound all that beautiful at first but I quickly changed my mind and I even miss it now.

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11606. Scooter said in September 5th, 2007

Chefker (and others in her situation), I totally agree that many women truly can’t breastfeed for medical reasons. Especially when the baby is a premie, which comes with a whole bunch of other complicating factors. My heart truly goes out to women who would like to but don’t get to make the choice to breastfeed.

What I’m referring to in that statement (probably not as clearly as I should have put it) is the mothers who COULD breastfeed with the proper information and support. The ones who don’t know their options and have inept medical staff at the hospital giving them misinformation/pushing formula and bottles/being unsupportive.

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11613. a said in September 5th, 2007

while i absolutely think breastfeeding is important, i think when discussing breastfeeding rates in the US v. other countries, it’s important to compare apples to apples. from what i ready on kellymom, the 99% rate you quote for sweden is ‘in the hospital’ and reflects babies getting at least ’some’ breastmilk. however, by 6 months that number drops by at least 50% in some studies. why is this important? because most lactavists would argue that someone who breastfed for 1 week isn’t a successful breastfeeder. now, if your arguement is 99% of women in the US should try breastfeeding in the hospital like sweden, well that makes sense. or if you compare 6 month rates in sweden (which are higher than in the US but not anywhere near 99%) to 6 month rates in the US, then that’s comparing apples to apples.

also, the numbers from sweden seem to be babies getting any ‘breastmilk’ while the numbers from the US seem are clearly ‘breastfeeding’. there’s a question, then, if the US numbers might be a bit higher if they included pumpers which the swedish numbers imply by the title that they are.

why do i point this out? well, because i do think much of the divide between breastfeeders and non-breastfeeders comes from a mentality of ‘99% of women could do this if they just tried hard enough or had better information’ and because trying it in the hospital is not considered a success to most lactivists. the other thing i find interesting is the people who usually make this arguement are folks who have been successful at breastfeeding. there seems to be a mentality that ‘if i was successful and perservered to 6 months (or whatever random time frame you have) then 99% of women should be able to do this too’. i’ve never heard someone who wasn’t successful say ‘you know, 99% of women could breastfeed if they just got the right lactation consultant or tried harder.’ it seems if that was a hard and proven fact, well then there’d be some scientific evidence to show this and there wouldn’t be SO MANY woman speaking up saying ‘i couldn’t and there are medical reasons to support that decision.’

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11614. sal03 said in September 5th, 2007

I am one of the lucky ones who literally had no trouble at all BFing until I was 13 months in with my second child and I got a clogged duct. otherwise, everything was perfect. So I do feel badly for those who try everything and can not breastfeed.
I do find it frustrating though how many people I know in real life who either don’t breastfeed because ick, “it’s not for me” or the ones who stopped shortly after because of misinformation. One acquaintance supplemented from the start because her daughter’s pediatrician just wanted to make sure she was getting enough. ????? she had no weight issues - it made no sense. I wish more was done about flooding women with information about the benefits of breastfeeding but also some how to advice. I know for a fact if I had not been addicted to the breastfeeding thread and a faithful reader of “So That’s What They’re For: Breastfeeding Basics” I probably would have given in and supplemented. In those first days when my son nursed all.the.time I would have thought he was starving instead of just bringing my milk in. It does not just come naturally to know everything about breastfeeding, the actual act of it, so while spreading the message about the benefits is important…I think spreading the message about the realities and “how to” is just as important.
On the other hand though, I am so against warning labels on formula cans and general formula is bad messages. What about parents who adopt? Should they be made to feel bad because they are feeding their child by the only method possible?

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11619. catmom said in September 5th, 2007

” i do think much of the divide between breastfeeders and non-breastfeeders comes from a mentality of ‘99% of women could do this if they just tried hard enough or had better information’”

ITA. I had to start supplementing at 4.5 months because DD’s weight started to drop, and nothing I tried made any difference. What really irked me was my treatment from one of my LCs, who was obviously more concered with my DD being exclusively bf’d than with her overall health. So even though I nursed DD until she was past 2, I am considered by many “lactivists” to be a failure because I supplemented with formula. And I also found it very patronizing when people assumed I was just “misinformed” or “badly educated” about nursing. I certainly was not- I read every book I could get my hands on and visited 2 LCs. No one could figure out why my supply was dropping (my pediatrician thought it was stress and I had undiagnosed PPD), so I did what I had to do for my DD. I worked harder at nursing than almost anybody I know, and it makes me really angry when people tell me all my efforts were not good enough because dd got some formula.

What really rankles me is when women brag that their babies “never had a single drop of formula.” As if that one single drop would have turned their babies into monsters or ruined their health forever.

I know many women who could not exclusively BF because of medical reasons (hormonal imbalances, surgeries, low/no supply that couldn’t be remedied, etc), so I know that this does happen. It just makes me crazy when the “lactivist” community pretends that these women are just stupid or being misled.

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11655. kemorr said in September 6th, 2007

I’m one of those women who is very pro-BF’g but had a really tough time with it and stopped nursing at 4 1/2 months and pumping at 6 1/2 months. For the first 4 1/2 months I fought a constant battle with clogged ducts, mastitis, low supply, extremely painful nipples and a baby with a crap latch (probably the cause of all of the above). $1000 of LC support and many more $$ spent on herbal supplements to increase my supply didn’t help. Still, I continued to BF until I finally decided that the fact that my baby was turning bright red and screaming every time I tried to get her to latch on was probably an indication that she wasn’t digging it - “best for her health” or not. So I stopped nursing and started pumping for her and still would be if my supply didn’t just suddenly tank and die at 6 1/2 months and was impossible to improve.

The crazy thing is, since I stopped nursing her, I still feel like “if only I had tried harder..” Which is crazy given how hard I did try. Lactivists say there is an “anti-BF” opinion that needs to be changed. I don’t agree. I think the majority of public opinion these days is anti-bottle, not anti-BF. (I get more dirty looks bottle feeding in public than I ever did BF in public - ironic given many of those bottles contained breastmilk). The lactivists have done their job well (and I’m not saying this is a bad thing, I’m still very pro-BF). I just think we, as women, should really make an effort to not judge another mother. You never know what her situation is.

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11657. lawgirl4 said in September 6th, 2007

“I do find it frustrating though how many people I know in real life who either don’t breastfeed because ick, “it’s not for me” or the ones who stopped shortly after because of misinformation.”

I couldn’t agree more. I want to be respectful of those who are uncomfortable breastfeeding, but I also think that it’s so important to give your baby as much BM as possible - even if that means just BFing for a week, a month, or at certain times of the day.

I had no idea that BFing would be “work” - that it would be exhausting and sometimes painful. But honestly, I would “endure” all of that exhaustion and pain a million times over, because I know that BFing was the right thing for me to do with my daughter.

Most things in life require a little work and discomfort - I’m proud of the hard work I’ve put in to successfully breastfeed my daughter, exclusively - we are now going on 10.5 months!

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11712. lawgirl4 said in September 7th, 2007

CATMOM: I can’t speak for others, but when I say I am proud that my daughter “never had a single drop of formula” I’m not saying it to brag. I’m saying it because I am so proud of my body for being able to nourish my child in this manner, because it’s important to me, and something I value.

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11772. catmom said in September 9th, 2007

lawgirl4 :

Fair enough, but I’m sure you can see the difference between the positive statement “I exclusevly breastfed” and the negative statement “I never gave a single drop of formula.”

The implications of those two statements are quite different.

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