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	<title>Comments on: The Genius of Being Average</title>
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		<title>By: littelfredpunkinhead</title>
		<link>http://www.constantchatter.com/2007/08/06/the-gifted-child/307#comment-10705</link>
		<dc:creator>littelfredpunkinhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think people assume more from the "gifted" label than you really can tell.
Like, not every genius is a Bobby Fischer type. Geniuses can be well-rounded. They're also not all type A personalities either- they can definitely be type B, or even just plain lazy.

It seems like some parents want to say, my child is gifted therefore they need to attend this school, have this much intellectual stimulation, and be socialized with in this manner. IMO, the kid's personality should trump their IQ or aptitude in most cases when there's a question of how they should be treated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think people assume more from the &#8220;gifted&#8221; label than you really can tell.<br />
Like, not every genius is a Bobby Fischer type. Geniuses can be well-rounded. They&#8217;re also not all type A personalities either- they can definitely be type B, or even just plain lazy.</p>
<p>It seems like some parents want to say, my child is gifted therefore they need to attend this school, have this much intellectual stimulation, and be socialized with in this manner. IMO, the kid&#8217;s personality should trump their IQ or aptitude in most cases when there&#8217;s a question of how they should be treated.</p>
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		<title>By: polydactylcat</title>
		<link>http://www.constantchatter.com/2007/08/06/the-gifted-child/307#comment-10650</link>
		<dc:creator>polydactylcat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 01:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree - the label is overused and just a way to feed the parental ego.  You said it best, that everyone has a gift if you look hard enough.  Parents should be spending their time appreciating what is in front of them instead of dreaming of what they think could be (or wishing for what their lives could have been).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree - the label is overused and just a way to feed the parental ego.  You said it best, that everyone has a gift if you look hard enough.  Parents should be spending their time appreciating what is in front of them instead of dreaming of what they think could be (or wishing for what their lives could have been).</p>
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		<title>By: catmom</title>
		<link>http://www.constantchatter.com/2007/08/06/the-gifted-child/307#comment-10646</link>
		<dc:creator>catmom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I wonder if the reason parents are trying to get their kids into gifted programs is the substandard level of education. "


There is a lot of truth to that.  I started in a center-based gt program in 4th grade, and I can tell you that the teachers were better and the curriculum was more interesting.  Fewer worksheets and more creative projects, that kind of thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I wonder if the reason parents are trying to get their kids into gifted programs is the substandard level of education. &#8221;</p>
<p>There is a lot of truth to that.  I started in a center-based gt program in 4th grade, and I can tell you that the teachers were better and the curriculum was more interesting.  Fewer worksheets and more creative projects, that kind of thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Snowzilla</title>
		<link>http://www.constantchatter.com/2007/08/06/the-gifted-child/307#comment-10645</link>
		<dc:creator>Snowzilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was in advanced classes as well, but where I have more of an issue is when parents are assigning (or want to assign) the "gifted" label to their toddler because he/she does certain things in advance of what the brochures and pamphlets and baby books say...there's no rush to sign them up for MENSA, people.  I don't think there's a waiting list.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was in advanced classes as well, but where I have more of an issue is when parents are assigning (or want to assign) the &#8220;gifted&#8221; label to their toddler because he/she does certain things in advance of what the brochures and pamphlets and baby books say&#8230;there&#8217;s no rush to sign them up for MENSA, people.  I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s a waiting list.  <img src='http://www.constantchatter.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: catmom</title>
		<link>http://www.constantchatter.com/2007/08/06/the-gifted-child/307#comment-10644</link>
		<dc:creator>catmom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Parents who label their own kids as "gifted" make me a bit nuts, too.  There seems to ba a lot of confusion that developing abilities earlier than average is the same thing as being "gifted."  

And moreover, every child is gifted in some way, and I hate that certain "gifts" are considered to be more valuable than others.  Why is doing math above grade level better than being a gifted artist?  Why is reading faster than normal better than being an unusually kind, empathetic person?

And if I have to hear one more person tell me their child is gifted because he walked or rolled over or giggled earlier than average, I will barf ;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Parents who label their own kids as &#8220;gifted&#8221; make me a bit nuts, too.  There seems to ba a lot of confusion that developing abilities earlier than average is the same thing as being &#8220;gifted.&#8221;  </p>
<p>And moreover, every child is gifted in some way, and I hate that certain &#8220;gifts&#8221; are considered to be more valuable than others.  Why is doing math above grade level better than being a gifted artist?  Why is reading faster than normal better than being an unusually kind, empathetic person?</p>
<p>And if I have to hear one more person tell me their child is gifted because he walked or rolled over or giggled earlier than average, I will barf ;).</p>
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		<title>By: KristieW</title>
		<link>http://www.constantchatter.com/2007/08/06/the-gifted-child/307#comment-10638</link>
		<dc:creator>KristieW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I teach "gifted" middle schoolers, and you're so right--it's so often more about the parents.  I really really think that gifted identification should be based on motivation first, capability second, and intelligence last.  I'd rather have a class of 30 really motivated kids (regardless of intelligence) than 30 "smart" ones.  The motivated ones learn more; many of the "smart" ones just whine because they're used to things being so easy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I teach &#8220;gifted&#8221; middle schoolers, and you&#8217;re so right&#8211;it&#8217;s so often more about the parents.  I really really think that gifted identification should be based on motivation first, capability second, and intelligence last.  I&#8217;d rather have a class of 30 really motivated kids (regardless of intelligence) than 30 &#8220;smart&#8221; ones.  The motivated ones learn more; many of the &#8220;smart&#8221; ones just whine because they&#8217;re used to things being so easy.</p>
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		<title>By: kris97</title>
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		<dc:creator>kris97</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 03:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was also a precocious kid, placed in "TAG" classes from first grade on, and looking back, am so thankful for them because they were the only times I felt really challenged, or, more generally, not marginalized.  In my middle class public school system, snart was definitely not cool, and I ached for the chance to be around smart kids, and not made fun of for being intelligent -- a dream that came true when I went off to college.

At the same time, I cringe when I read about the overcompetitiveness of today's parents, and really aim to make it a priority NOT to be that way.  I can't help but think that parents who jockey for Ivy League admissions for their three year olds are really just living vicariously through their children.  I had the chance to excel scholastically on my own, so there's no need for me to do so through any one else, including my (future) kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was also a precocious kid, placed in &#8220;TAG&#8221; classes from first grade on, and looking back, am so thankful for them because they were the only times I felt really challenged, or, more generally, not marginalized.  In my middle class public school system, snart was definitely not cool, and I ached for the chance to be around smart kids, and not made fun of for being intelligent &#8212; a dream that came true when I went off to college.</p>
<p>At the same time, I cringe when I read about the overcompetitiveness of today&#8217;s parents, and really aim to make it a priority NOT to be that way.  I can&#8217;t help but think that parents who jockey for Ivy League admissions for their three year olds are really just living vicariously through their children.  I had the chance to excel scholastically on my own, so there&#8217;s no need for me to do so through any one else, including my (future) kids.</p>
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		<title>By: miel</title>
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		<dc:creator>miel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 02:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This giftedness thing is something I have a new curiosity about--as a way to understand why I was a weird kid, maybe. It wasn't something I thought about much and then on one of these boards I stumbled across some things that made me realize it had more of an influence in my life than I thought.

But what is it, exactly? I do not think it is intelligence alone. Also, I wonder if it is nothing. It's a diagnosis of sorts. Is it imaginary? There are a cluster of traits that are associated with giftedness and I wonder what that means.

I'm interested in whether it is a real 'thing'--like aspergers--and related to brain structure or just a general cluster of traits like autism. 

On another note, I did meet an incredible genius kid in the bookstore one day. I was there and my daughter fell asleep. He was with his nanny but she wasn't paying that much attention. He read a book to me (he's three and can read at what must be an eighth grade level), we chatted and it was clear he was an extremely exceptional child. Already, because of this, he is having various difficulties according to his nanny. Where does this kid go to school? What do his parents do with him considering that he is so extremely advanced? Does he go to kindergarten when he is already further along than most fifth graders? So there are clearly some kids who raise certain questions like this. Thus, I cannot dismiss the issue.

He seemed slightly sad. I have to say I worried about him a little because I don't think being that different is an easy thing.

I'm very happy my child is not at this kid's level. He was delightful and I would have taken him home in an instant but a kid like that might demand many resources and obviously extra time.

A big issue that you sort of touch on is the way kids in general are not getting instruction based on their particular abilities. I wonder if the reason parents are trying to get their kids into gifted programs is the substandard level of education. That's another issue but I strongly believe that a child with musical talent or a child with artistic talent should be given what he or she needs to develop. Kids need a chance to develop their potential and we aren't providing enough to schools to help them do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This giftedness thing is something I have a new curiosity about&#8211;as a way to understand why I was a weird kid, maybe. It wasn&#8217;t something I thought about much and then on one of these boards I stumbled across some things that made me realize it had more of an influence in my life than I thought.</p>
<p>But what is it, exactly? I do not think it is intelligence alone. Also, I wonder if it is nothing. It&#8217;s a diagnosis of sorts. Is it imaginary? There are a cluster of traits that are associated with giftedness and I wonder what that means.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m interested in whether it is a real &#8216;thing&#8217;&#8211;like aspergers&#8211;and related to brain structure or just a general cluster of traits like autism. </p>
<p>On another note, I did meet an incredible genius kid in the bookstore one day. I was there and my daughter fell asleep. He was with his nanny but she wasn&#8217;t paying that much attention. He read a book to me (he&#8217;s three and can read at what must be an eighth grade level), we chatted and it was clear he was an extremely exceptional child. Already, because of this, he is having various difficulties according to his nanny. Where does this kid go to school? What do his parents do with him considering that he is so extremely advanced? Does he go to kindergarten when he is already further along than most fifth graders? So there are clearly some kids who raise certain questions like this. Thus, I cannot dismiss the issue.</p>
<p>He seemed slightly sad. I have to say I worried about him a little because I don&#8217;t think being that different is an easy thing.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m very happy my child is not at this kid&#8217;s level. He was delightful and I would have taken him home in an instant but a kid like that might demand many resources and obviously extra time.</p>
<p>A big issue that you sort of touch on is the way kids in general are not getting instruction based on their particular abilities. I wonder if the reason parents are trying to get their kids into gifted programs is the substandard level of education. That&#8217;s another issue but I strongly believe that a child with musical talent or a child with artistic talent should be given what he or she needs to develop. Kids need a chance to develop their potential and we aren&#8217;t providing enough to schools to help them do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesvet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesvet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 00:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not in any way trying to say there is something wrong with AP classes or the like- one of my biggest frustrations in high school was not having enough classes for some of my college pre-requisites, like calculus. I definitely enjoyed my honors classes and whatnot. Having those programs in place for kids who want them and need them is great. But there is this implicit value judgment placed on "gifted" that pushes people to think that they HAVE to have their kids there whether or not they need it because there is something bad about not being in the advanced group. A proclivity is what it is, neither greater nor less than someone who has talent or skill in a non-academic area. IMHO.

I also want to emphasize the difference between "bright", "smart enough for AP", and "gifted". These days it seems they are used interchangeably. Being in a class of bright kids going at a faster pace in my GATE classes was fun, but being pulled out of regular class to sit in on a private lesson (like what hadaverde described) was a whole different story. You get that "special" label but not in a good way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not in any way trying to say there is something wrong with AP classes or the like- one of my biggest frustrations in high school was not having enough classes for some of my college pre-requisites, like calculus. I definitely enjoyed my honors classes and whatnot. Having those programs in place for kids who want them and need them is great. But there is this implicit value judgment placed on &#8220;gifted&#8221; that pushes people to think that they HAVE to have their kids there whether or not they need it because there is something bad about not being in the advanced group. A proclivity is what it is, neither greater nor less than someone who has talent or skill in a non-academic area. IMHO.</p>
<p>I also want to emphasize the difference between &#8220;bright&#8221;, &#8220;smart enough for AP&#8221;, and &#8220;gifted&#8221;. These days it seems they are used interchangeably. Being in a class of bright kids going at a faster pace in my GATE classes was fun, but being pulled out of regular class to sit in on a private lesson (like what hadaverde described) was a whole different story. You get that &#8220;special&#8221; label but not in a good way.</p>
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		<title>By: PG-Rated</title>
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		<dc:creator>PG-Rated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 23:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rosebud has a good point - my parents saw one of my cousins get fawned over because he was intelligent and took pains to make sure I wasn't given special treatment.  They were more than happy to take me down a peg whenever I got too full of myself.  But at the same time, they were always very proud of my accomplishments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rosebud has a good point - my parents saw one of my cousins get fawned over because he was intelligent and took pains to make sure I wasn&#8217;t given special treatment.  They were more than happy to take me down a peg whenever I got too full of myself.  But at the same time, they were always very proud of my accomplishments.</p>
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